Jay Jurden Returns

16 Jul 2026 · 1 h 14 min · 25 chapters

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In short

Jay Jurden returns to discuss touring and audience moments, being a Black queer comedian in white spaces, relationship/poly “cool” vs poly, Thanksgiving logistics and gender roles, and club/Grindr dating etiquette. He also shares food talk (curly fries, onion rings, cashew stomach issues) and a detailed fried chicken thigh sandwich recipe, plus anecdotes about gifts and friendship.

Guests

Jay Jurden (Black queer comedian; Southern background; tours with a current stand-up hour; talks about making older Black women and venue staff laugh; recently in Portland, Maine and D.C.; mentions Grindr encounters and strep throat). Caleb (host/partner in conversation; Brooklyn-based; throws parties; discussed as “kind” and as having a “Southern” vibe; married; part of a polycule rumor discussed but framed as “fun gay cousin” energy).

Key claims

Black comedians often aim to get venue staff laughing; “cool” is framed as monogamy/closed while poly is “capes involved.” Thanksgiving cooking for non-professionals maxes around eight people. Fried chicken should be “fried hard,” not soft.

Notable examples

Portland, Maine sightings; Kansas City transport staff laughing; D.C. show moments; a Grindr message after a club run-in; Union Hall chicken wings; “slut” bracelets from fans; mystery espresso/ice-cream machines and vacuum cleaners.

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Jay's Health and Tonsillectomy

1:16 to 2:42

Jay discusses his health issues, including recurring strep throat.

“And if everything is on track, I should be getting strep throat again in the next week or two.”

Thanksgiving Traditions

2:43 to 4:31

The hosts share their Thanksgiving experiences and family traditions.

“You think you can't miss a clitoral hood when your glasses is big?”

Cooking for Big Gatherings

4:32 to 6:20

They discuss the challenges of cooking for large family gatherings.

“Sometimes, as a southern black person, you can have dressing a couple times a year.”

The Role of Gender Roles in Cooking

6:21 to 8:25

Caleb and Jay explore gender roles during family meals and cooking.

“Eight people is the maximum amount of people you can really cook for if you're not a professional.”

Polycule Conversations and Relationships

8:26 to 11:11

They delve into the concept of polyamory and relationships.

“You're brother husbands with Jason Kelsey.”

Jay's Comedy Journey

11:12 to 14:01

Jay shares experiences from his recent comedy shows across the country.

“Being poly, now you got to say, hey, do you want to meet my lizard?”

The Importance of Audience Connection

14:01 to 26:04

Jay discusses his desire to connect with diverse audiences through humor.

“I want to make sure my mom or my auntie could laugh at this too.”

The Importance of Audience Connection

27:09 to 28:37

Jay discusses his desire to connect with diverse audiences through humor.

“Or that classic, what if I can't find someone who's a good fit for me?”

The Art of Framing Social Invitations

29:48 to 31:26

Jay shares a humorous anecdote about how a friend cleverly invites him to stay longer.

“Use offer code SOTRU to save 10 % off your first purchase of a website or domain.”

The Joy of Fries by the Pool

31:26 to 32:59

A lighthearted discussion on the pleasure of enjoying fries near water.

“You think being rich is having the upstairs.”
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Curly Fries vs. Regular Fries

32:59 to 34:18

The conversation delves into the merits of curly fries and the frustrations with regular fries.

“oh, we have regular fries, curly fries, and tots.”

Food Cravings and Dietary Restrictions

34:18 to 36:04

Jay discusses his love for cashews and how they impact his stomach.

“I have tried them in many cities, many times.”

Cooking Fried Chicken Like a Pro

36:04 to 37:36

Jay reveals his signature fried chicken thigh sandwich recipe step-by-step.

“The thing I can make better than a lot of people.”

Unexpected Gifts and Cooking Adventures

37:36 to 42:01

The hosts discuss odd gifts received, including an espresso machine and their cooking habits.

“onion powder, white pepper, probably then some oregano and cayenne.”

Mystery Espresso Machine

42:01 to 43:30

The hosts discuss an unclaimed espresso machine and other gifts they've received.

“We don't know how we got it, and it has not been used.”

Mystery Espresso Machine

43:35 to 44:33

The hosts discuss an unclaimed espresso machine and other gifts they've received.

“Comedy royalty Kate McKinnon returns as Queen Mortuana in Heads Will Roll.”

Friendship Bracelets and Secrets

46:20 to 48:33

The hosts chat about friendship bracelets and the value of personal secrets.

“Sometimes, you know when people make little...”

Navigating Fame and Relationships

48:33 to 56:00

Discussion on fame, relationships, and the dynamics of being known.

“I found out this past year some people think I'm mean.”

The Challenge of Anonymity in Relationships

56:00 to 57:40

Exploration of how fame affects personal relationships and anonymity.

“That is a fun part of having access to that stuff is getting to know other people's secrets.”

Navigating Grindr and Dating Expectations

57:40 to 1:00:09

Discussion on the use of Grindr, dating culture, and societal perceptions.

“where you will make a joke about a guy talking to you a lot on Grindr and then it didn't work out.”

The Reality of Gay Relationships and Humor

1:00:09 to 1:02:34

Humorous anecdotes about relationships and the dynamics of gay dating.

“We started hooking up because he messaged me on Grindr and was like, I'm a huge fan.”

The Impact of AI on Society and Art

1:02:34 to 1:06:34

Critique of AI technology and its implications for creativity and humanity.

“I think that like the fear of my fear when it comes to like any sort of loss of like privacy.”

Concerns About AI and Environmental Impact

1:06:34 to 1:08:58

Discussion on the environmental issues posed by AI data centers.

“I don't care about it, but I care that you care.”

Rapid-Fire Trivia Game

1:08:58 to 1:10:02

A fun trivia game with quick questions and answers.

“And we're running that just so we can make posters.”

Jay Jurden's Quickfire True or False

1:10:02 to 1:11:55

A rapid-fire game of true or false questions with humorous responses.

“An acute angle is greater than 90 degrees.”
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0:34I found out this past year some people think I'm mean You're not disagreeing I can see how we got there

0:49Jay Jordan, how you doing? I'm doing good Good to see you Good to see you How you been? What's the news? I've been very good Last time I saw you, I was in the seat at a theater in Los Angeles. And I said, who's that at that desk in that movie? No. Yes. That's the last time I saw you. Yeah, I was up there. Yeah, yeah. You were traveling, jet setting. I was up there. I was up there. Now you're in New York. I'm in New York City, New York, USA. Yeah. I'm proud of you. It feels good. Stay put for a second. Barely. Barely. And if everything is on track, I should be getting strep throat again in the next week or two.

1:24Okay, good, good, good. I've been getting strep throat a lot. Wait, do we have that on the calendar for Caleb? Let's get that put down. Yeah, yeah. Let's get that put down. Yeah, it should be coming any second. Good, good, good, good. Yeah. I don't know what it is, dude. I think I'm going to have to get a tonsillectomy. I'm really pissed about it. Whoa. I know. And I'm not good at sitting still, which I'll have to do for about three weeks. You're going to do the thing where you have a middle school event happen to you as a grown-up. Tonsillectomy. That's coming for me. First cast that everyone has to sign.

1:52Yeah, I'm going to get braces soon. Hey, everyone, invitations for Caleb's Bar Mitzvah? Are they going out? They're going out. Yeah. $50? I still love money and a card. Really? Oh, yes. Sometimes you do a show, and a very sweet producer, sometimes with a dude, they won't just hand you cash and drink tickets. What they'll do is they'll give everyone a signed, personalized card with the spot pay in it, and you go, ah, this is so nice. Those girls are going somewhere. Yeah. There's an art to producing a show, and those girls who take it serious like that, they are going somewhere. You know, if you want that to happen on a show, you know what you need?

2:30Girls with big old glasses. You need some of these joints. And even more than that, a lesbian. I said what I said. Because the lesbians in those big glasses take it very seriously. Yeah, why are the glasses so big? They look in, they have been there. They can see everything. You think you can't miss a clitoral hood when your glasses is big? It's not happening. It's not happening. I love it. You love lesbians, and you talk about it all the time. I love lesbians. We talk about it all the time. We both discuss fashion influences and cross-cultural exchange, kind of like the Silk Road, really, if we're talking historically.

3:06The cross-cultural exchange between lesbian fits and gay men's fashion and how sometimes lesbians will say, you dress like me, and then gay boys know, you dress like me, when really we should all just be having a good meal together. Right. Because sometimes it is a little bit of a spat. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the reality is lesbians are dressing like men. That is what's going on. Yeah. But sometimes a man sees a lesbian and goes, oh, I need to dress like that. Of course. Which is just a man saying I should dress like a man. No. That's what it is. No, no, no. These lesbians think they invented a tank top with trousers, baby.

3:43I love y 'all. You are so important to me. It is not reality. No, no, no. That started with men. Wait a second. No. Christopher Columbus discovered the new world. I love Christopher Columbus. I'm glad he's finally getting his due. Big, big, big fan. Caleb really wants... Staten Island's going to love this episode. Nats is going to love it. All the people who go, what? National Who Day? Is there a holiday? Is there a recent holiday that you have been going up for? Because we're talking about how Columbus Day then became Indigenous Peoples Day. Is there a holiday you're going up for? Like a federal holiday that you're excited about?

4:23I, no, I don't care about holidays. The only holiday I really celebrate at all is Thanksgiving. Okay, I love that. And it's only because I love that meal. I love Thanksgiving. That's it. Do you have stuffing any other time during the year? No. Okay, you save it. No, yeah, it's just for that. Sometimes, as a southern black person, you can have dressing a couple times a year. Of course. You can, you can. Yeah. You can't have cranberry sauce more than once. No, it's just for that. Yeah, mashed potatoes happen a lot, though. Where do you go for Thanksgiving? Do you go somewhere? I've cooked in our apartment.

4:51I've gone to my husband's place for Thanksgiving. My husband's back home when they go to Alabama. One of his aunts had this big house. Like a big old house on the farm. Not historically big. A big house on the farm in Alabama. And I know you have a white husband. I saw the gears turning. what was going on at the house jordan jordan peele was there he directed me no it was you know those you know how like in the 2000s there were so many like the suburban sprawl like really crept out and so i want to say in that spot between like huntsville and nashville there was just all that land and so then people started making huge and so like one time we were on this like big like i think there was like uh i think there was a field and you know when you go to some thanksgiving events and everyone takes a picture in like the big field like it was like one of those houses so we went there and when it's that much food the food is okay there's a certain amount of people where you have to bring in professionals if you want the food to be great yeah because it just you you're not a professional cook you just aren't i don't know why so many people think they can cook for a lot of people.

6:12You can't. You really can't. It's impossible. The maximum amount of people, and I've seen this happen, eight people, that's max. Eight people is the maximum amount of people you can really cook for if you're not a professional. Nassi, you lost me there. Really? How many are you saying? Well, here's what you need to understand. My Thanksgiving at my house, we feed about 20, 25 people. Okay. Wait, Caleb's kitchen? Two grandmas, a mom, an aunt, and two uncles in that kitchen go into town. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's enough. And people bring stuff. Yeah, so it all works out, but it takes an army.

6:46I'm saying if you're one person, you can only cook for eight people. Sure, yeah, I understand that. If you got four people, yeah, I'd say you can get 30. So there it goes, yeah. Okay. What do you contribute? The house.

7:01Caleb has gone full boomer parent. Caleb said, what did I contribute? The mortgage? Hey, hey, hey. Dude, my family is full of good cooks, and I am not one of them. I didn't get it. That's funny. But also, okay, I feel you on that. I can cook a dinner for me, but the stuff that my family can cook, I don't have a turkey. I don't have a big casserole recipe. I'm just helping out. I'll throw in. I'll say, hey, you want me to chop that broccoli for that? I'll do that. Yeah. That's all I got. Okay, something. I'll chop. Okay. I'll chop. I try to stay away from it. I'm not interested in the dishes. I'll do them if I really have to, but I'm not interested in it.

7:41Hey, hey, you know what? This dinner is coming with a side of gender roles. Yeah. Because you just said the dishes. Well, here's the thing. You say, I'm not doing them. The women in my family love to be martyrs, and I like to let them. They like to be in their school. You go, can I help with the dishes? Because you know you have to offer. And they go, no, sit down. And you go, all right. I do a little bit of it. Yeah. And they wave you off. You just want me to watch the Lions. I'll watch the Lions. I'll watch the Lions. No worries. Oh, I forgot. I forgot ever since our last chat. Now you're kind of, what's going on with you being, you're a Kelsey now, unofficially.

8:22Hmm. Right? What do you mean by that? You're part of the polycule, right? What do you mean by that? Say more to me. You're brother husbands with Jason Kelsey. That's your brother husband. Am I making this up? In what way? Y 'all married. Me and Jason Kelsey. What is giving you this impression? Where's this bit stemming from? How comfortable you are with his wife. Now, I love Kylie. See? Don't say it like that. Now, I love Kylie. That's very Brooklyn of you. I think I'm more of a fun gay cousin to both of them. Okay. All right. I was getting brother husband. Every time I watch y 'all, I get, once again, that's me being Southern.

8:59I go, I wish y 'all could figure this out. Yeah. I see y 'all laughing, having a good time. She has a gay husband and she has a real husband. Straight husband. This is the role of the gay cousin, though. Gay husband. You wish. I'd watch. You're trying to push your freaky poly agenda on everybody. Your alternative lifestyle that you and your husband live. Kissing strangers in Mexico City. Who has that hurt? Who has that hurt? Right? To that I say, key in. Yeah. Y 'all don't date other people. Y 'all just fuck other people. We have dated other people. We could date other people. Wow. I see no reason why you shouldn't at least have the most amount of fun that you can handle.

9:47You, Caleb specifically, you don't want to do that. I would never tell anyone to open up their relationship if they didn't want to do it. I would tell people to close theirs. Yeah, yeah. Close it. Close it. Nobody. I'm very comfortable telling people what they should be doing. Yeah. I think it's an exciting opportunity for me. I think it is fun when you get to tell people, I don't like that. And they go, we're going to do it anyway. But also, because I live in Harlem, I can be silly and escape all of this. You have to be in Brooklyn with all of it. That's the difference. You almost don't even recognize it anymore, like a fish in the ocean.

10:32Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is water to a fish in the ocean? Yeah, you are a hostess, and you're going, there's so many three tops. Yeah. Why is every... Everyone's a three top. Or a four or five. It's a logistical nightmare. Yeah, it's bad news. I also understand that, like, because... Like, I have a joke in my current hour where I say, me and my husband, we are not poly. We are not poly. We are not open. We are what's known as cool. All right? You remember? People used to just be cool. Yeah. And so, like, sometimes I think we are in a bit more be cool territory than, like, spreading the gospel of being poly.

11:07Yeah. Because being cool, that's fun. Being poly, now it's capes involved. Yeah. Okay. Being poly, now you got to say, hey, do you want to meet my lizard? Yeah. That's different. That's how it gets weird. Jay, what have you been up to lately? What's going on with you? I just got back from Portland, Maine. Uh-huh. My second time in one and a half years. proud to report, saw even more black people this time. Yeah, that's right. They were just walking around. And I shouldn't have been stopping them the way I was stopping them. But I was. Hey, do you have a moment? Come here. Hey, take a picture. Real quick.

11:40All of us. Have you seen those videos that have been making it across my desk of the black guy who goes up to black people that are with all white people and checks on them? Have you seen these? You should do that. One of my favorite I love these videos. Because what you have to do is you have to let him know you're okay, but also give him some, hey, I see you fellow black man. I'm good. Thank you for checking out, by the way. Because you know who usually does that? If you're a black comedian around the country, the black person who checks on you in white spaces is usually the bouncer at the club.

12:14If you do a club or if you do a room or if you do a show, and sometimes comedy is still sometimes very segregated. it. You do a room that's a lot of white people. Your goal as a black comedian is usually to be like the black staff who work the venue, whether that be bouncers, bartenders, servers. You want to be like, oh, I want me to handle it. Right. Because I got thank you for coming. Thank you for buying a ticket. Right? Yeah. When you go, oh, okay, that's Leroy. You good. I feel the same way, by the way. Oh, yeah. Of course. I'm trying to get, not just because the black folks in the room, but everybody working.

12:52I want to get everybody working at the club to laugh Because I'm like, they see this shit every single night And I know they hate most of the comics who come through here If I can make them laugh, it's whatever We had a beautiful moment like that in Kansas City Where two of the people who were helping with transport From the venues into the airports When they liked any of the jokes When they remembered any of the stuff We said, I was like, yes Oh, when you did Yeehaw Yeah, of course That's my, that's one of my favorite things is making sure that this happened. I was in Jersey. This like young black girl bought tickets to see me and she brought her two like older parents.

13:33These two fun, but very church going black folks. It was Sunday night. I was like, I knew y 'all went someplace before. And so they came to the show. They loved it. When you get older black people to enjoy your stuff, especially as a black community, especially being from the South. I'm like, oh, thank God. Thank God. Because you can only tell so many jokes where you like the fact that people are laughing, but you're like, okay, I want to make sure this kid, I want to make sure my mom or my auntie could laugh at this too. Sometimes that's just what I want out of things. That's why I still write from that vantage point.

14:09I have two jokes in the thing I'm touring right now. One of them is I tell a big dick joke. I tell a joke about a very big dick. and then I say when my mom first heard that joke she went, Jay you were just like me. Cause that's what I want and you get that. Like there's a, when you're a queer comic there's an older female companionship and a kind of rubric for funny that like you do want, like were you making your mom and her friends laugh when you were younger? Yeah. See exactly. So that's like kind of shit that I'm also still like. I still want that. I love making everyone in my demographic laugh and all the people who love my stuff But like, if you can get an older black woman to laugh, if you can get her to be like, no, you know you weren't supposed to be saying that.

14:49If you can get one of those, you're like, yes. Yeah, that is the best. Yeah. So I was in Maine. Where else did I go? Oh, I went to D.C. I was in D.C. during the UFC thing. Did you go to the UFC thing? So me and Nate had tickets. And then he, I'm kidding. I'm joking. I'm joking. I made a very good hockey joke about Nate Bergazi. People were mad. He was at the White House. I said, he told you he was a Predators fan. That's a great joke. Hockey boys love that joke. I didn't go. I passed by where you could see the archway over the White House. How can I say this in the meanest way possible? Everyone who was there for that event, you knew it.

15:34You knew it from the shoes, from the shirt, from the smell. You saw a person go to that event, they didn't have to tell you they were going. You were like, oh, okay. I tell most of those things are, yeah. You went, have fun. Yeah. Have fun. Yeah. Yeah, I was in D.C. But I was in D.C. just for shows, and they were wonderful. I had, like, this moment where a guy who, like, I, like, remembered from something, he came up to me afterwards. And as a queer person on the internet, sometimes gay men, please remind us of where it doesn't have to be the full story but if you just hey we talked a little bit or just hey we flirt a little bit you know my friend so and so you see them come up for the picture and then you I'm racking my brain we didn't but in my head I was like how do we know each other what would you say would be the best way to be like hey we messaged for a little bit or hey, this thing?

16:40I think just saying that. Yeah, right? I'll say I got a really annoying one the other night where I was out at gay bars with my friend, which I don't usually do, but I'm trying to get better about saying yes to stuff that I don't necessarily want to do. Except for being poly. We keep asking them. Not doing that. We the collective. Not doing that. But I was out, and this guy messaged me that I flirted with for a long time. We've never been able to meet up here. He was on the Upper East Side. I live in Brooklyn. It's probably not going to happen, right? So it's been months of us being like, we'd be really fun to fuck.

17:05Wish we didn't live eight miles apart or whatever the fuck the distance is. Yeah. And he messaged me. Once again, in New York, everyone who doesn't live in New York, don't think Caleb's being a flake. That is so far in New York. I'm not going to the Upper East Side. It's so far in New York. I came from Harlem to Brooklyn to do this podcast. I left yesterday. Yes. Yeah. It's been. And this is work. This is work. There's ass in Brooklyn. Listen. There's people to fuck on the Upper East Side and in Brooklyn. is so much ass in Brooklyn. The ass in Brooklyn. Now, it's not always washed, but the ass in Brooklyn.

17:43Hello. The ass in Brooklyn. Sometimes you go, hey, rinse this off again. Yeah. Step in there for me. Hop in the shower. Hey, you know what would be crazy? If we shower together. Yeah. Let's start it out. Let's start it out. You know what? I'm feeling like I need a shower. Yeah. You want a shower? And then they go, no, you go, I think we should. Well, fuck, If you go from Brooklyn to the Upper East Side, that's like given. Right? You're going to need it. That's a commute. Yeah. You basically, you took, I mean, this person had to take the literal underground railroad. Jay. They had to follow the drinking gore to get to.

18:20Please. Please. But this guy that I've been fighting with forever, he messages me the next day on Grindr and says, I think I saw you last night at this place. Was that you? And I said, yeah. Why didn't you say something? and he goes, oh, I was pretty fucked up. And I'm like, okay, that doesn't mean we have to go home together. You come say hello. Yeah. Are you like, what's not? Click that pissed me off. Well, because that's a fun, serendipitous moment where you go, oh, we've been messaging for a bit, haven't worked out. Holy shit, are we finally in the same bar? I'm a little fucked up, but you can steal some kisses.

18:53You can smooch a little bit in the club. And you can also just say hello, and then we can have met in person for when we do actually. And then he's messaging me, what are you doing this week? Can we get together? I'm going, well, no. We were in the same room last night. Are you crazy? Because you were like, I can't meet this week. I'm going to get strep throat. I got strep coming up. That was your strep appointment, actually. I got a podcast with Jay. That was your strep appointment. You were supposed to catch strep throat from him. Yeah. Yeah, that was what was supposed to happen. Would have been beautiful.

19:18Yeah. Would have been completely beautiful. I'm trying to think of the last time I had, like, a fun run-in in the club. I went to a friend's birthday party, and a guy who used to, like, you know, some gay boys you flirt with, and you're flirting. but man you go damn how many pictures you got saved you can send me you're sending me new stuff every day I don't I don't got new pictures sending you every day I can take one but damn that's a whole different thing but like they just got they just got a gallery they got movies I'm immediately turned well there's two things that turn me off 17 different angles of your naked body and everything I'm like turned off what's left to discover why am I even doing this and a video of someone else fucking you I'm like ah Sometimes the video Sometimes the very Sexual kind of Do it yourself porn video Is always like You have to request that In my opinion if you're sexting With someone you have to be like hey I want to See you get fucked Please send me the video you might have Cause if you just send the video Of like active Sex going on now I'm looking at everything I'm going it seems like there's a lot of people in this room this can't be the only one of these videos you have yeah i mean clearly i so you know there's a boom operator yeah there's a lot of stuff going on in some of these videos and then you go wait a second we don't know each other that well i got this yeah i know tell everyone gets this yeah i go this is out there see that i go this is not this is not bespoke yeah this is not because This is what people used to say.

20:56They used to be like, oh, well, you know, I got to go in my hidden folder. If the hidden folder is that full of stuff, that's crazy. Why is it hidden? Yeah. If everyone's been in here, why are we hiding folders? It's not hidden. So funny. I also feel bad for that guy because clearly he's a bit, maybe. Maybe I'm psychoanalyzing. Maybe he's like, maybe he likes the long, drawn-out tease of all of this. Because if we're talking and I see you in a club, this is my personality. I'm going to go say, hey, what's up? Hey, how's it going? Isn't this crazy we're here? Yeah. Even if I'm fucked up. In his defense, I think he was probably feeling anxious because he was on some shit.

21:39I don't know. I don't do that, so I don't know about it. But I'm not actually mad at that guy. He seems lovely. It is confusing to me. I'm like, I would every time Had I seen you, I would come say hello no matter what But I also wouldn't be super fucked up I'm notorious for saying hello And then leaving I love a good, hey, I'm gonna go back to my friends Cause that's me going I got friends Just so you know You see these people over here who mad that I'm this fucked up Yeah, these are my friends Yeah, they're about to put me in a car home They're scared They told me not to come over here They're worried about me They actually, they got mad because you're the third person I've come up to tonight.

22:20Yeah. Hey, we've been talking for a while. You see those people over there? Pretty soon I'm going to walk into a room. They're going to be sitting in a semicircle of folding chairs. Okay, they think I have a problem. I came over to, save me. Save me. I'm also notorious for, like, not going out enough. This is public, public apology. Caleb is one of the kindest people you will ever meet. I'm so happy to have him as a friend, and he throws the best parties, the best events. My dumb ass is usually doing something stand-up comedy slur related. So I do apologize because I want to compliment you on the costume parties and the get-togethers.

23:03There was even a point, this is what happened, last week. You're actually going to be like, for real? So I was in Union Square. You were going to go to Beauty Bar Beauty Bar, they said You got to come back here They closed the back room I was going to show up I was going to pop up And be like, Caleb I know I never come out I was right there You said, oh, we're probably going to go to someplace else I said, can't make it Hey, that's it That was your one shot I love Beauty Bar I think it's so much fun It's one of the first places that I was like partying And doing They would do comedy sometimes there But then sometimes you just go to drink And it's like this silly kind of It's fun It's a fun little gimmicky spot.

23:43I love it. I was going to show up. I was going to show up. I know this is me being, this is me being the, my biggest fear is me turning to my dad. This is me being my dad. Because I'm going, hey, hey, sport. I was going to be there. Yeah. I had every intention. Hey, hey, Kayla. Hey, Kayla, look at me. I'm proud of you. Couldn't make it. I'm proud of you. Yeah. I saw your, um, your, um. Not the snaps. I saw. What did I see? I saw your Netflix special on HBO. Is that what they call it? Not the dad who couldn't make it snaps. I saw your Netflix special on HBO. And I'm proud of you. Please. I'm proud of you.

24:20Please. Can you give some information to somebody for me? Because I got some. They could change it up. Uh-huh. But happy birthday. Yeah. For the year. Yeah. Couldn't make it. Not happening. Not happening. I was hell bent. I was going to bring a friend. You can't be hell bent. I was hell bent. If one location change threw you off the scent. I said, I don't know where this is. Mind you, it's a 20-minute walk. It is a 20-minute walk. I was hell bent until something came up. I said, I'm going to move heaven and earth. I can't do it. I can't be there. Really, really wanted to do it for you. But then that night, I did get to hang out with, You know who's notorious for making me hang out longer than I expect?

25:07Lisa Traeger. She'll do that. She will. This is what Lisa does. You have a thing. Y 'all hang out together. You start packing your stuff up. She goes, where are you going? She's the person who goes, where are you going? I'm about to go home. She goes, I got a blunt. I got a joint. That's it. You go, well, girl. It's always the blunt. I have to. If I don't, first of all, I'm being rude. Secondly, well, now this is worth staying. And so then you start smoking with Lisa. then this is what she's going to do. She's going to tell you who she got in a fight with that week. Yeah. Which I always want to hear.

25:40Which I always want to hear. Yeah. Because I'm like, damn what they do. I'm always like, yeah, get them, get them. Meanwhile, half the time it's something she did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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30:27So sometimes she'll get me to stay. She was at my house recently and I was about to kick her out and she said, should we smoke a joint and order some food? And I said, yeah. And you know, it's the framing. She knows when to deploy it. Yeah, and she says it as if it's your idea. She basically, one time I was walking. We were walking from a gig. She said, where you got to go? I slowed down. I said, wait a second. You're right. You're right. It's that scene in Love, Simon where Jennifer Garner says, Simon, you can breathe now.

31:03That's what Lisa Tranker does for me. And it works because I never do want to stop hanging out with Lisa. I don't. I'm always into it. Because guess what? We're going to smoke a little bit. We're going to have some french fries. Yeah. Oh, God. To be high right now and eating some french fries would be so fucking beautiful. Okay, you know what I have discovered now that I've come into the tiniest amount of money? French fries at a pool? Yeah. Oh, my God. French fries at a pool with a drink? Oh, my Lord. Wow. You think being rich is having the upstairs. That's what you think. Yeah. In Mississippi, someone be like, we're going broke.

31:38I go, two stories, I'll believe it. You're fine, yeah. Hey, why don't you sell that story? It's all about the house. Yeah, why don't you rent out that top room? You can have a tenant. So now I think, and because I have done this a few times, you go on vacation or you go on a gig and you spend the extra day there, you go, oh, I'm going to stay on Sunday. If you have French fries, I don't know how they do this. No matter the fry. It could be double fried. It could be battered. You know, the Eskimo fries. The fries with the skin. Okay. Or it could be like the McDonald's, like copycat shoestring joints.

32:19Fries by a pool. I feel the best. But you know what they're never doing that they need to get into? Curly fries. Okay. These places are never doing curly fries. And I'm glad that you brought this up. because one of the last times that I had curly fries by a pool, I think it was on a gay cruise. Really? I did a gay cruise. I did my first gay cruise. They, okay, now I'm realizing they weren't curly. They were just gay. But when did I have curly fries? I had curly fries recently that I got happy about. There was a restaurant that had curly fries. They had tots and curly fries. Why does the places do that?

32:58Why does the places, they'll be like, oh, we have regular fries, curly fries, and tots. I'm never complaining about blessings. No, no, no. No, you shouldn't have those regular fries. Yeah, yeah, I'm with that. Get the regular fries out of here. That's fine. Because who's seeing the curly fries and the tots and then going? There are people, Jay. Could I? There are people that do this. Sickos. We walk among sickos. Okay, this is. It's a sick world. The way you feel about poly people, that's how I feel about these folks. Yeah, just a little confused, but ultimately okay with it. Well, if God gave you curly...

33:30Yeah. No, I'm ready to punch somebody. If God... All three of you. If God gave you curly fries and tots, this is when I become a Republican. Yeah. Why are you also trying to include these straight fries? Do you know what they need to be doing is putting... Someone needs to serve curly fries and tots shaken up together with some seasoning on them. Serve that. Bring me that. Someone must be doing that. If you're doing that, hit the comments. I'd love to come patronize. What do you even call that? Because texturally, it's a fun, it's reminiscent of when the onion ring sneaks into the fries. Burger King used to do that.

34:08Yeah, on purpose. They didn't have a lot of quality control of some of the Burger Kings in Jackson, Mississippi. You'd be like, there's a couple onion rings in here. Yeah. You'd be like. And no worries. I'm not bad. Burger King's onion rings make me so sick. I have tried them in many cities, many times. Every time I go, I think it'll be different this time. And every time I feel horrible. horrible. Out of all of the problematic things you've said today, that's the one that legal's gonna be like, hey, we gotta get that out of here. They're trying to run some ads. Hey, just so you know. No more.

34:36Just so you know, they... You almost lost it all today. Yeah. Almost lost everything for that one. No, they do make me sick. I can't do it. Onion rings in general, actually. Maybe there's something up with that. Do you like a Bloomin' Onion more? I'll do a Bloomin' Onion. I'll do the Onion Rings. I'll just feel bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one thing about me. I'll feel bad. No, worries. If I need to, I'll feel bad. There are two places in New York that I know I'm gonna... If I order these wings the next day, I gotta build some time in the schedule. Morning can't be booked. Morning can't be booked if I'm having this tonight.

35:16Yeah. You know those things. My husband, that's how long we've been together. If my husband sees me eat more than a handful of cashews, he goes, now Jay, He goes, Jay I'm like fuller What's that? Is that Home Alone? Yeah Kieran Culkin Yeah Sipping Pepsi Knowing I'm gonna piss the bed That's how I get with cashews I go You're pissing the bed off cashews? No, no, no No, no, no I'm not pissing the bed It's just that like I'm gonna complain I'm gonna be like Why my stomach hurt? Yeah I had cashews Damn And I don't ever just have like A few cashews Cause I love them Yeah Cashews, they're so good But it's I think it's like the amount of oil in them.

35:56I don't know. That's like my dietary restriction. They're hurting your tummy, huh? Yeah, but my taste buds, they told me I can have these all the time. Do you cook? Yeah, I cook a lot. What do you cook? What's your number one meal? What's your signature meal? The thing I can make better than a lot of people. Better than a lot? If I came over, you would make it to impress me. Ooh. Well, I would want to show off something Southern, and I can guarantee you that I can make you a fried chicken thigh sandwich that will be better than you have had in anyone else's home. I need to get involved. Fried chicken thigh.

36:33Yeah. Okay. We're also talking, I can give you a slaw if you want on top of that. Yeah. Also, we can make fries there too if you want. I don't necessarily want the fries. I would like something, I would like something green. I know you have a, there's the famous clip, let's get a green crunch, But I would love a green crunch Tell me bun to bun what you're doing on this fried chicken sandwich Okay, bun to bun, alright So we start with Martin's potato roll Yes we do There's an inherent sweetness to the roll It's wonderful, toast up beautifully Due to the sugar content So that's at the very end So this is what we get, we get a boneless chicken thigh I know, I'm going boneless I'm not taking the bone out I'm going boneless skinless chicken thigh Okay, lay them flat Pat them dry, okay Of course.

37:20So we're going, the dredge will be like, just regular flour. And then there'll be some panko in there and some cornstarch. And then for the spices, salt, pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, white pepper, probably then some oregano and cayenne. And then for like the dredge Or as far as like the wet Doing buttermilk Because you People go Oh I gotta buy buttermilk When you buy buttermilk It's this much buttermilk Yeah You are buying buttermilk To either make biscuits Or fried chicken The people who go I don't want to have it in my fridge It won't be in your fridge In a long time Yeah So you do that You do a little bit of hot sauce In the buttermilk Okay What kind of hot sauce So We have Louisiana Yeah okay At the house You could do Louisiana You could do Crystal You could do Trappies You could do What do you like?

38:14Crystals, but I would go with it. Louisiana and I fuck with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. You know ball. Yeah. So basically, you dip it in the buttermilk, and then you dip it in the flour, and then you dip it in the panko, and you want it to get very craggly, and then Dutch oven, La Croissette, 375, a lot of oil, canola oil, seed oil, sorry, R.K. Junior. So We're going We're going Canola oil Canola oil Beautiful name for a baby girl Yeah So Love her Love her I think that's who That's who That's who Isn't that who Lawrence got pregnant On that final season of Insecure? Canola Yes So Canola oil Yeah What's that baby girl's name?

39:02Not the snaps And hard snaps too Yeah When you get old Your hands get dry Them snaps I don't got it yet I don't got it yet When I finally get to it, rough sandpaper. Not with the whole hand, too. It's like the whole thing's involved. Or then they start getting mad at you. You know who I'm talking about. Yeah. You know who I'm talking about. That's your cousin. Caleb, what's that girl's name? Yeah. So canola oil. So then we fry probably two thighs. We're going eight minutes. Eight minutes. Yeah. Because I want you. Listen, I'm going to say black people fry hard. Hello. Fried once and fried hard.

39:41Yeah. Don't have to. You never want to be like, this is a soft fry. If a black person says they want it fried hard, they want it fried to smithereens. You know who fries their wings hard? First try, DC Improv. I had some wings, Old Bay on the wings, mambo sauce on the side, fried hard. Who was that? Have you had the chicken wings at Union Hall? No. Me, I think it was Sydney Washington. me and Sidney were going the fuck in on the chicken wings at Union Hall recently. We're backstage. I had joked on stage. I said, someone on staff, please bring an order of chicken wings to that backstage. Because I hit someone from the audience's weed vape, got way too hot.

40:18And then I saw a girl with a vape. You're messing that when you don't come to shows. I'm saying. And then I got in that green room. They brought those chicken wings. And me and Sidney were... We flagged the server down and said, please bring another one. And then we did a second basket. They were eating so loud. Someone on stage said, hey, you too. Yes. It sounded like we were, it was, they were so goddamn good. Are they, are they, they do those there? Yes. Okay, shout out to Matt Kelly at Union Hall. Shout out to the chicken wings at Union Hall. Yeah, not shout out to Matt Kelly. Matt, if you're involved with the chicken wings, you can have a shout out.

40:48He thinks Matt's back there frying. But then we fry, we fry the chicken thighs. Yeah. We let them rest on a wire rack. And then you could do like, we could do mayo based or we could do a yogurt based slaw with some cabbage. but yeah red cabbage and carrots and so then you could also go hot honey on the end of that or whatever hot sauce you want and so then you present that to caleb and he has a good time yeah i'm really into this i'm putting a slice of cheese on there as well oh what kind of cheese cheddar american really my husband you know he's into now he loves pepper jack that's we can't keep it in the house.

41:30Pepper Jack. My husband loves some Pepper Jack cheese. We can't keep it in the house. I actually had Pepper Jack cheese recently. A couple nights someone sent me a block of cheese as a gift and it was Pepper Jack and I ate the hell out of it actually. I was really into it. Listen, when you have some crunchy ass fans, you got some crunchy fans. Yeah. They're going to send some cheese. Someone sent me Pepper Jack cheese and I ate it with some little crackers and sausage. What's the craziest gift that you've got that you're grateful for, but you go, why would you? What is? I want to know this. Oh, someone.

42:04To this day, we don't know. To this day, we don't know. Someone sent us an espresso machine. What? We do not know who sent it. No one will claim it. What? We've asked everyone we work with. We don't know how we got it, and it has not been used. We do not know how we got this espresso machine. Wait, because you don't know how to work it? Poor Michelle runs out and grabs coffees every single time we do a show. Michelle. Shout out, Michelle. This was amazing if you made this. Shout out, Michelle. With the espresso machine. I wish she did. I wish she did. No, we have the espresso machine. We do not.

42:31No one will tell us if they sent it. Wait. No one? No one will speak up. Not even the brand? No, we don't know who did it. Is it one of the... What's the brand? It's Nestle. Like the Ninja Creamy or whatever. Oh, can you make ice cream from it too? Well, so that's the thing is they also sent us an ice cream machine. What? And two vacuum cleaners. Oh, okay. I didn't know all that. I need one of those vacuum cleaners. Two vacuum cleaners. It sounds as if folks from Thanksgiving be like, Caleb. Yeah, yeah. Something happened. I don't know who sent them. To this day, if you sent the So True team an espresso machine, two vacuum cleaners, and an ice cream maker, I'm begging you to speak up.

43:08We want to thank you. And if you sent the partridge and the pear tree, thank you for that as well. We appreciate that as well, but we want to know who did it. No one will speak up. No one will claim this victory. That's a lot. Yeah. That is quite expensive. I know. It's expensive. Did they write it off? What they didn't do is write a letter because we don't know who sent this shit. I actually forgot about that. That's crazy.

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46:20Espresso machine? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, think about it. People, what they will... What have I gotten that's like... Sometimes, you know when people make little... Everyone was making the Taylor Swift bracelets. A lot of people at shows were making me bracelets And sometimes they'd say my name Sometimes they would just say a reference to a joke So one of them says slut And I was like, whoa, okay, alright, thank you But now I gotta wear this Not out of thought Yeah, I'm trying to People bring comic books for me to sign Because I wrote a comic once Yeah, so that's very sweet I'd like a slut bracelet for you, I think that's cute Yeah, yeah I would like to see you wearing that more often Okay, maybe I will I think that's a cute look.

47:06A little slutty bracelet. Yeah, slut bracelet. Why not? Crafted by... It's not children making them. No. No. Because the person who strung it together made it. Yeah. But it is like a childlike arts activity. Yeah, for sure. One time I had to craft during a podcast, and I loved the comic who I was crafting with, but everything fell to pieces. It was two... I'm going to say it. It was two boys. We were bad at it. Damn. Two boys crafting. Gender roles strike again. Listen, I don't like it. I wanted to be good at it. Yeah. And we were trying to, we couldn't tie it off. Everything fell apart. Yeah.

47:41The bracelet's terrible. Yeah. His bracelet was all loose. No, ew. You know? That really gave me the heebie-jeebies. Yeah, it's a bad feeling. Yeah. And the way you felt, that's the way I looked. He put it on. He said, do you like it? Dude. I said, we can't do this. Yeah, this isn't going to work. This is bad. Yeah, not a loose bracelet. We look silly. A loose friendship bracelet, yuck. Right? What? Ooh, but that's telling about the friendship. Yeah. Doesn't fit. Doesn't fit. Isn't right. Won't last. Won't last. Not long for this world, the friendship and the bracelet. Oh, my Lord. I think that we were talking about friendship earlier, behind the scenes, behind the scenes.

48:22I'm trying to be a better friend. I know I'm talking about this with the party. I'm trying to show up more for friends. I'm trying to also just be aware of how I come off. Now, you don't get this from me because we get along. I found out this past year some people think I'm mean. You're not disagreeing. I can see how we got there.

48:47Now, do I think you mean? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But I think this happens to a lot of opinionated people that are loud. Yeah, yeah. I get this all the time. I'm like, I'm actually not being mean. I just disagreed with you. One time when I was doing a show with Gianmarco and Tova, I said this. And this is another thing that let me know. Wait a second, Jay. Maybe check in. I said, everyone who says, oh, Jay is the nicest person in the world. And then Gianmarco goes, no one's saying that. He goes, no one is saying that. Love him. Now, say what you want to say. But that first part, no one's saying that.

49:26because I was trying to be like, I can be very direct. And he was like, no, people know that. No, we know. People know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've seen the directness. So can John Marco, though. Oh, yeah. Yes. It can get him in trouble. John Marco loves to say something with a raised eyebrow and a curled lip. Yeah. There's a cunningness to John Marco that you're like, what are you angling for? He'll say something and you're like, what's the note behind the note, John Marco? Yeah. Every, you know, you can. It's part of why people think he's gay. Yeah. Is that he's beguiling. You know what it is? There's a level of subtext that a lot of straight men sort of don't ever try to engage with.

50:10That he, because he was raised up in the theater among people who basically had double meaning their entire life. Yeah. So he gets, sometimes he comes off very Captain Hook, very Scar. Yes. Very Jafar. Because a lot of straight men will run directly at the wall of the point they're trying to make. And John Marco will do this sort of queer-coded thing where he's like, what don't you think would be interesting? There's just a kind of like, there's a touch of the ear or a curl of the lip that's like, oh, that's a little queer. And it's a trailing away of the volume of the thing. Yeah. Every now and then.

50:42What don't you think would be interesting if, you know, it's like, oh, okay. You can tell that's the way he was given notes by a Queenie director in all of his productions growing up. I like the choice, but I think if we did the choreography as well. Yeah. What? Yeah. You were talking earlier about friendship bracelets, and it made me think of jewelry, and you've got some good jewelry on. I want to know, what is your most prized possession? Oh, my most prized possession? Most prized possession. Oh, my God. What is the thing that you're like, if I was running from a burning building, and I could only grab one thing, what would you grab?

51:12Oh, shit. The burning building's my house, not some place I sell a fire. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because sometimes I'm just running from a burning building. Yeah. Because I don't want to get caught. Well, you're always in a burning building. That's one thing about you. Stop going to gay bars. So I, hmm. A thing in my, well, I love my wedding rings are on me. So is it something on me or is it something, because these are like almost always on me. Are those your most prized possession? No. And I love him. And I love our marriage. No, he's very special to you. Yeah. Yeah. And he does buy me nice stuff.

51:48Ooh. There is a photo of me and my mom and my sister and my brother that I love, that I really, really would want to hold on to for a very long time. I would be very hurt if that went away. Some of my husband and I's wedding photos. But everything is digital now, too. So, like, I don't, I'm trying to think of, like, physical, physical things. You have a cue card in there from Late Night with Seth Meyers. My first cue card from Fallon, I would really like to keep that. That's a pretty cool thing that I'm happy about. Yeah. Yeah. That's hard, though, right? Because everything is digital now. Yeah.

52:33So, it's things that used to be, like, it's, like, I feel like our grandparents used to be, like, oh, the box of pictures. Yeah, yeah. I grabbed the box of pictures. Yeah. I'm, like, I really don't have, like, things that matter that much to me. Because the box of pictures also has, like, the birth certificate for who that boy's real daddy is. Hello. Right, exactly. It's the evidence box. Old people actually don't tell you this. They'll be like, what's that? Oh, that's back when I was a mercenary, but we all got to. You know, old people, when old people talk about this stuff in their house, they'll be like, you'll go in one closet, you'll be like, what's this?

53:00They'll be like, oh, yeah. So I don't know how to tell you this, but you have an uncle. Yeah. People used to have secrets. Oh. We don't do that anymore. I mean, they still do. Old people had secrets in a way that's crazy. They had whole secret families, jobs, lives. Yeah. You learned some crazy shit. With old people's secrets, it was because of the pressure cooker that was, I guess, the times. Like, when an older woman would be like, oh, I can never talk about my first husband. It's because to be a woman who was a divorcee and then marrying a second man, people would be like, what a slut. She's had two men inside of her.

53:41And she'd be like, and that's not counting when I was in high school. Right, right, right. You know those older women who would be like, I never talked about it. Or they have an affair because, like, the guy, I don't know. When all those women would have affairs because grandpop was in Korea or in Vietnam and they never talked about it. And then, you know, that one uncle always did look a little different and he never said anything. And, like, they didn't, we didn't have 23andMe. And then 23andMe happened and now everyone's like, wait a second, I'm 116 black. And you go, well. Like, so those, those used to be secrets.

54:12We don't have those no more. We don't have that anymore. I have... Do you have... We don't have to discuss them on here, but you have secrets. Do I have secrets? I don't know if I have a secret in the world. Yes, you do. I'm trying to think if I have a secret. You've got a few. Do I? Yeah. Are they bad? No. Chance, what are my secrets? We can cut it if I don't like it. No, this is... These are your... One of my secrets. Like, if I... Let's say crazy enough. Hypothetically. When you kiss a famous person now That's a secret Oh I guess That's a secret That's a secret What famous person are you thinking of right now?

54:52Of you kissing? Of you kissing and you know what we put No no no I'm thinking of who you've been kissing You don't need to worry about who I'm kissing Because I just saw your eyes light up Well but no because now we run in enough circles And this is connected to early conversation There's like people There's your level of fame And then basically when you talk to people who are more famous than you, and like, let's say you get a famous person's number, and the first text they send is like, do never share this. And you go, I would never share this. And you go, oh, that's a secret. Yeah. That's a secret.

55:22Yeah. But if you see somebody, this is actually even juicier, when you see people at a thing, and you go, I'm not telling nobody. Yeah. Because it could... One thing about these famous people, they are fucking each other silly. It's crazy. Okay. They're stepping out of these relationships. And we can never say, well, it's not even stepping out. You'll just be like, you came to this party with him? It's both. Some of these people are cheating. They are fucking each other crazy. Almost every famous person you can think of has fucked each other. I'm dead serious. I will hear and see things, and I'm like, I can't believe those two are fucking.

56:00Or you'll go, you'll go, I'm happy. You go, yeah. You go, yeah. Yeah, look at y 'all. Kissing, holding hands. Yeah, that one's fun. That is a fun part of having access to that stuff is getting to know other people's secrets. I do like that part of it. It's a fun place to be. Can I ask a serious question? Whenever, do you fear that? Do you fear the loss of Caleb? It has happened already. Do you fear the further loss of any and all anonymity? regarding your friendships and your intimate relationships. No, it's not really about. I fear the loss of anonymity just in terms of being able to move through the world and being like, left alone isn't the right phrase, but just trusting that people are being nice to you because you're nice to them and not just because they think you're somebody.

57:01Anonymity is something that's very important to me and a difficult part of this job, boo-hoo, is definitely the dissolution of that thing that I love. But do I worry about... In my last relationship, I thought for the first time about whether or not I should post this person and how I should talk about this thing. And I honestly kept most of it pretty private. But yeah, I don't... My sex life is whatever. I don't really care if people talk about having slept with me. My friendships are pretty... That's cool. I don't know. It's not really tied to that. You do a very fun and good job in kind of a post-internet fear-mongering era where you will make a joke about a guy talking to you a lot on Grindr and then it didn't work out.

57:50Or, like, you have the hilarious story about the French hookup. You have, like, you have fun stuff because, like, I guess this is the first time that, like, queer men have been able to. Like, for the past 10 years, people can kind of, like, Like, there was a time when, like, if you would have been semi-famous and not on Grindr, people would have been like, what are you doing on Grindr? People are like, why are you messaging people? And you're like, because I'm going to fuck them. Oh, they still do that sometimes, yeah. Really? Oh, people would go, what are you on here for? And I go, what do you think?

58:17Are they Puritanes? What is this bullshit? No, they imagine that there's some echelon where you won't want, like, they go, why aren't you on Raya? And I go, I am, and it fucking sucks. Yeah. Grindr is for gay men who want to fuck. Yeah. That's what I'm interested in. I'm going to be on here until I either get monogamously married or die. You know who's here? Yeah. Yeah. And guess what? Sometimes Grindr can help you die. They will kill you. It'll help you die before it helps you get monogamously married. If you want to die, baby, get on Grindr. Yeah. Get on Grindr. If you want to try meth accidentally, boy, have I got a sight for you.

58:57They're cooking up stuff. They're doing stuff over there. They want you on Raya, but they don't know. These people, that sounds mean to say, what they think Raya is, they think Raya is something fancy. You know who's on Raya? Armie Hammer. Like, that's, you talk about, you talk about someone wanting to be on Raya. Raya, the fact that they know about Raya means Raya ain't Raya no more. Yeah. And Raya is so much, like, Raya is too ambiguous. I don't like I mean Raya's like sometimes people are trying to network sometimes people are hitting you up because you've got mutual friends what I like about Grindr is you can set your you can set your boundaries and honestly shout out to gay guys most of the time I feel like they once I put in my bio I do not want to talk to you about my job most gay guys stopped hitting me up about my job and I really appreciate that shout out gay guys shout out gay guys y 'all don't get celebrated enough if you tell a gay guy don't ask about my job he's gonna be like I'm not I'm not he's not He's not gonna ask about it For the most part For the most part For the most part Afterwards They might go Hey okay Well that's different Yeah That's different Hey I mean This is too personal How many gay boys Afterwards been like Caleb I really want some Waxahachie tickets You know what One of my favorite But that's a gay guy With taste Hello Hey I like that you like good stuff One of my favorite guys that I'm sleeping with right now.

1:00:26We started hooking up because he messaged me on Grindr and was like, I'm a huge fan. I would love to sleep with you tonight. And I was like, great. And we have a super fun relationship. That's beautiful. I love that guy. That's wonderful. He stayed at my house last night. Shout out to him.

1:00:40He's a great guy. He's a member of my beloved community. Caleb said, them dishes better be clean. There better not be no dishes to sleep when I get back. Please. Gay guys don't do anything. Gay guys do dishes. My husband does the dishes all the time. Does he really? Yes. I need to find a gay guy who does something. Listen, my husband, he does the dishes. I cook, he does the dishes, and we both cheat. No, no, no, no. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. He doesn't. He doesn't. You do. No, I don't. I don't. I don't even cheat. I go, baby, hold the camera steady. We got some clips to make. Don't talk so loud.

1:01:16People don't like to hear the director's voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Leave that on the DVD commentary. I want someone to do that for their sex tape. I want someone to be like, so what we were going for here, you kind of see. So you can see. Yeah, the themes. I do get pissed off when I'm watching porn, and it's too long on an angle I'm not interested in. Oh, my Lord. They're like from underneath, like the point of view of the sheets. I'm like, stop. Move back to some faces. Yeah, some of the angles now, I go, this is neither sexy nor impressive. This is kind of just a static shot that's weird.

1:01:51And sometimes if you see, like, you know, millennials, our brains are ruined. So now if you see enough porn and it's not feeling sexy at all, it feels clinical. Yeah. And you just go, okay, that's a thing going into the thing. Super tight shots on that as well. Get a face involved. I kind of need a, I don't know what I'm looking at actually. And I can't. I'm either looking at something really regressive or really progressive. It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell up close. You zoom out. You go, oh, that was an armpit. Gay sex. In the armpit. Cool. I like, I mean, I'm trying to think of like what, wait a second.

1:02:28What are we talking about? Porn. We were talking about porn, but no, there was a beautiful point you were making earlier. Oh, the fear of anonymity. I think that like the fear of my fear when it comes to like any sort of loss of like privacy. I'm okay with that as long as the people who are asking for stuff do it in a respectful way like I got off the train I was kind of pissed because it was hot I was getting off the train I was kind of thinking someone said hey are you that comedian I love a hey are you that comedian I don't I don't love people saying crazy stuff when they haven't established that I am the person they're talking to because now some people will say stuff I've said or they say a joke They're like, point and say a joke, be like, well, okay.

1:03:16It took me a rest because you were just pointing at me saying a thing. Right. And I don't move through the world every second thinking about me being someone you might recognize. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you walk up to me on the street and say something insane to me that I might have said at one point. That's nuts. I don't know anything about that. I love a are you blank. Do you know what I can't stand? What? And I don't want to have this conversation for too long because I do think it's probably boring to people that aren't us. No, no, no. Aren't you famous? Walk into traffic. Leave me alone. That is such a useless waste of my time and yours.

1:03:46No, that's a bad thing to say. Or do I know you from something? If you're not sure, move on with your day, sweetheart. Leave me alone. Don't waste your time. You know who? I hate that. You know, okay, so you don't like a are you famous. I will see a person who is of a note in various fields. If they even look the tiniest bit busy, I ain't even going over there. That's actually a bigger fear. It's like interrupting someone. I saw Jason Williams, the basketball player, white chocolate. I saw Jason Williams at the airport. That was his name. Don't laugh. That was his name. People called him white chocolate.

1:04:22Why? Because they said he played like a brother. So Jason Williams, I saw him at the airport. And you know when you see someone at the airport and there was a delay. Look at the phone. Stress. Not good. Yeah. I saw people go up to this man. I said, oh, well, that's not going to be a good interaction. Yeah. He's clearly working with something. Yeah. I hate that. I never want to do that to anyone. Jay, what's so true to you? What's so true to me? So, ooh. I've said this before. We know it's so true to me. I love bad Photoshop. I hate AI. Yeah. If you give me the option between horrible, bad, bad photo.

1:05:04I'm talking Microsoft Paint. Bad. I'm taking that over AI every time. There's soul. There's humanity. There's flaws. It's fucked up a little bit. It's actually more interesting than AI because AI kind of smooths everything and reduces us to nothing. I love horrible Photoshop, horrible graphic design. I mean, bad. I'm talking, Caleb, I cannot stress how bad I want it to be versus AI. That's what I want. I agree with you. Okay. Because also, by the way, AI half the time also has fuck-ups. So now what have we done? Right? Yeah. I'd rather you be able to see the outline of the event I was actually at on the poster for the different event than for me to have six fingers.

1:05:49I would much rather you be like, okay, that is clearly taken from a birthday party. I can see the H in J's. I can see the flames from the candle. I'd much rather see that. I want that out in the world. I'm so sick of this AI bullshit. And so many comedians are being like, but I need to pay your friend$20 to make something for you. It's going to be bad. You only paid$20. Put that out. When someone says, oh, I love how bad this is, be like, yeah, that's the idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. You always get to do that. Yeah, I'm doing that on purpose. Right? DIY. This is beautiful. It is beautiful.

1:06:25Because AI, I hate it. So bad Photoshop is so true to me. AI is terrible. False. Bad. Yeah. Cancel. It's so false. Hey. It's, okay, so I love comic books. I truly love the X-Men. And I know, I know. I get it. I'm listening. No, you don't like it. I'm listening. Don't do this. I don't care about it, but I care that you care. That's beautiful. That's how you know I'm a good friend. Listen, if you would have said this, I would have shown up at Beauty Bar. Hello. So I love the X-Men. And one of the X-Men's big final villains is AI, primarily because the X-Men are mutants, and mutants are all about the differences in humanity and the difference among people.

1:07:06AI is a smoothing over of differences. And AI first wants to get rid of mutants, then it wants to get rid of humans who could possibly have mutant children, and then it wants to get rid of humans in general. And we're not taking that lesson away because we think, oh, AI is fine. They keep making robots that can fight. Have you seen these robots now that can kick? A robot kicked a child. Yeah, I saw that. And the kid looked pretty hurt, actually. Someone put that in the code. Yeah. The robot didn't wake up and say, oh, I'm going to kick somebody. But someone said, 0011001100, kick. And the robot kicked the child.

1:07:43And now we think it's cute because we got a video. Yeah. No. It's not cute. It's not cute. They can't be kicking kids. You'll watch that clip, and then the next thing on TikTok will be, you know how you watch movies on TikTok now? It's just like every movie is in 17 parts on TikTok. so it'll be like you know what I'm talking about Michelle people are watching movies on TikTok? it's crazy someone there'll be like a whole TikTok account dedicated to a movie that they've split into 23 parts okay you'll be like oh yeah that is Anchorman yeah and so now you could see a robot kick a child on TikTok and then the next ad will be like don't you want to do more AI?

1:08:22you just saw a robot kick a child no yeah I'm good yeah but I you know but AI is terrible and horrible and I hate it. I'm also really interested in like what the plan is with these data centers. People are taking, like it's not only taking all the water but it also is making crazy amounts of noise. Have you seen? Yeah, yeah. There's like videos on Instagram of people being like sound meter in their yard. No. Like 18 blocks away from a fucking. There was that woman who got this beautiful house out in the country in Georgia, I think, or Tennessee where she like was like, I'm finally gonna get a little bit of peace and quiet from my husband and the horses.

1:09:00And then the AI center is... Crazy. All day. Yeah. And we're running that just so we can make posters. Yeah. Just so we can be like, hey, Grok, can you take Caleb's clothes off in this image? Well. Hold on. Hold on. Don't bring me back around. No, you can send that, Caleb. Yeah, you're right. You can send that. You're right. That's my bad. Jay, you want to play a game? I would love to play. Whenever people play this game online, I try to see if I'm smarter than them. And how's it go? Ah, you know. Yeah. Jay, I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said is true or false.

1:09:35If you get 10 or more correct, you know we're going to give you 50 US dollars. You ready? He's trying to make me go fast. I'm going to go slow. What? No. WWE stands for World Wrestling Empire. No. False. World Wrestling Entertainment. Abe Lincoln was shot on the same day the Secret Service started. False. It's true. Starfish don't have brains. False. It's true. True. The Parthenon is in Sparta. No. False. Athens. Ole Miss' motto is for knowledge and wisdom. No. That's true. What? You don't have to go to law school to take the bar exam in Vermont. You don't. It's true. The moon has no atmosphere.

1:10:04What?

1:10:08False. True. Okay. Tross. It's true. Count that one wrong. He doesn't like non-binary people. Chuck E. Cheese is older than Courtney Cox. Of course. There's two words. Say true or false, I dare you. I dare you. False. An acute angle is greater than 90 degrees. No, an acute angle is less than 90 degrees. Obtuse angle is more than 90 degrees. False. The current mayor of Jackson, Mississippi is John Claw. No. False. John Horn. A group of camels is called a caravan. Oh, yeah. True. False. The Roman Republic ended in 33 AD. No. That's when Jesus died. False. 27 BC. C.S. Lewis wrote the Chronicles of Narnia.

1:10:49Yes. True. And humans, the liver is on the left side of the body. Which way is the camera facing? False. The right side. Bush Gardens Tampa opened in 1959 I work there I don't know false true how do you do hard to say you didn't win oh shit Jay tell the people where they can find you you can find me at jayjordan.com for all tickets I'm on tour whenever this comes out I'll be close to you and if not I eventually will be unless that restraining order still stands yeah But you can catch me online, on tour, Jay Jordan, on all social media stuff. Come see a show. I'm doing a completely new hour. It's different.

1:11:37You can watch my special on Hulu. Comedy specials. We both got comedy specials. But watch Jay's on Hulu. This was very funny. Thanks, babe. I love Adam Hilla. Good stuff. Y 'all got to watch this one. But I don't know. Online, you can catch all the stuff. Yeah, follow me. That's it. Appreciate you. Thanks for doing it. Apple Pay is the simple, secure, and fast way to pay. That's because your credit or debit card is right on your iPhone. Accepted at millions of places, from big box stores to boutiques, you can check out with your iPhone anywhere contactless payments are accepted. Apple Pay is more secure than a physical card because you authenticate your purchases with Face ID before you pay, and your actual card number is never shared with merchants.

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