Jo Sunday Loves Old People

31:04They will hate you in your death. Get them. And they'll spend the money. Get them again for me. which might end up being the only positive contribution you make to anyone's lives they'll spend it on things you would have hated and I find great joy in that but what I want to be remembered for I really would just like people to say he tried hard and he had a good time that's like it really? that's really all oh my gosh you really are a good person oh my god now I sound like a megalo no you don't I wouldn't be mad if yours happened for me. I have to be Beethoven or else.

31:48He tried hard and he had a good time. That is so nice. Well, obviously it's going to be that. I want that. I think that'd be nice. I'm not mad if things are massively shifted. I don't, I don't, I don't not suspect that it'll be more than that. But I'm like, I would be happy with that. If they were like, he really tried hard to be a good person, to make good things. He tried hard across the board to be a good friend, to be president. And he had a good time. Like he really had fun. I think that would be enough for me. That's cool. Yeah. So it doesn't resonate with me, the idea of having legacy through your children.

32:21I'm like, those people have nothing to do with me. Yeah. Yeah. Those people aren't really my business. Literally. Literally. Yeah. I want children. But I don't want my children to be my legacy. Yeah, I feel the same way. I was pretty iffy about children until pretty much last week when I went to my friend Toshi's house. Toshi has two beautiful lesbian moms who have a beautiful home full of happy children. And that seems like such a fantasy to just have like a happy life with a bunch of people around. But still, like what those people do is none of my business. I don't get it. Yeah. Well. Yeah.

33:06Yeah. What do you, okay, so you've made a couple jokes about getting cast. You've mentioned that you want your legacy to be that, like, industries are shifted entirely. Oh, no, I seem so desperate in every way. No, you don't. But I'm genuinely curious what you want. Like, what would you like out of, like, why are you doing all this? What do you want? Do you want to be acting more? Do you want to, like, what is the idea? I do I want to be doing everything more I do want to be acting more and writing more um I think gosh and this is so annoying too but I think I feel like I have stuff to say

33:46and probably like growing up or probably for most of my life I didn't think that um anyone would care about what I had to say or that I would get the chance to say it And now that I feel now that I just know it's a possibility, I'm like so desperate about it. But also I think it's like I. It's not even that I know like what my message is that I want to get out into the world, but I do feel really hungry to. Dig in, like find out. My ideas. Yeah, that I want to put on the airwaves. Yeah. Send out onto the airwaves that I want to send out frequencies. on the airwaves. I like that. And I want to be dressed by Mew Mew.

34:35That's huge. Thank you. They do the little tiny skirts. I don't know a ton about fashion, but I know that. You know, you really do. I don't know a ton about fashion, but I know that. Oh, yeah. Little tiny skirts. Eity bitty skirt. I like that. Why, thank you. I have a question for you. It's a big question of the show. What's so true to you? Oh. Oh. Okay. Wait. Here we go. Let's dig in. Here we go. I think the Gen Z millennial beef is one-sided. Between who and whom? I think that millennials have a chip on their shoulder about Gen Z. I think that millennials feel that Gen Z has a disdain for them that's not rooted in reality.

35:23Yeah, okay. I feel like millennials have this feeling that Gen Z were like, and it's all because the TikTokers got on to the business about the skinny jeans. Who cares if you guys wear skinny jeans? But I think that millennials feel like Gen Z people look at them and we're like, ew, you're old and you're ugly and you pause. Loser, you can't hang out with us. But I feel like Gen Z, we don't really have a strong cultural identity as a generation. Like, what is Gen Z? I feel like it's like totally question mark other than like pressing on phone. I think all we have are nostalgia and references. And we're like, Y2K is so cool.

36:0790s are so cool. 80s, 70s. And so I think when we see anyone older than us, we're like, oh my gosh, you're like, you're vintage. Like, you're Y2K. You're vintage.

36:20you're like throwback vibes you're like vintage to me literally like you like oh like you like like my pinterest some of the old people who listen to the show are not gonna like no no you guys i'm trying to appeal to you i'm trying to become your friend because i think i think you're cool and by the way i want to like f-u-c-k you like well this is part of it is that i'm is there a word for people who are attracted to old people lesbians

36:48thank you yeah lesbians i'm that um yeah like we we we we look at you with um maybe not reverence but with more positive affect than you think where is this idea of coming from that millennials just really like it's like sure you're jealous because we're like tiny like we're young and we're cute. No, no, no. We're tiny. I'm dead. I have a free room of free rights. I beg, I beg, I beg. I didn't mean to say that, but we're tiny of brain and we're tiny of age. Yeah. I think millennials are cool. Yeah. I think you're right, though. It's like because I want to date someone older. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm going to podcast today.

37:30For sure. I think millennials, but I do. Yeah. I think you're right. I think that both sides are correct. I think like older people are always going to be a little confused by and annoyed by younger people. They're mostly correct. I feel like younger, like 22 year olds are by and large, pretty fucking annoying. And so, but don't you think we know? Don't you think we agree? 100%. But that's what I'm saying is those people were also annoying when they were 22. I was annoying when I was 22. I'm still annoying. I bet a 45 year old hears me talk sometimes. I was like, God, I can't wait for you to get over that.

38:01And they're right. You know, like that's the thing is you, you, with the benefit of wisdom, you look back on the absence of wisdom and see it as what it is, which is lacking wisdom and annoying. Yeah. And also younger people don't think much about older people because younger people pretty much only think about themselves. But why do older people feel like younger people don't like them? That's my, that's what I take issue with. Yeah, that's a really good question. I think we like you guys. You guys. You guys. Oh, sorry. Right. If there were an older person in the room. No, it's funny. I actually, I really don't know.

38:42And I don't have any genuine hangups about age. People think I do because I joke about it a lot. I really, I really don't. I feel. That's why I feel safe to talk to you about it. I'm a safe older person to you. Mandated reporter. I'm a self, I'm a safe older person to you. And that means the world to me. How old are you? I forget. You're 24. 13. You're 25. You're 14 going on 25. 14 going on 13. Actually, having a 14-year-old on the podcast would be kind of chic. It'd be interesting to hear their ideas. I should talk to a younger person. We've had some older people on the show. And you know what?

39:19I can already feel that I'm doing the thing that I was talking about because you're talking about having someone younger than me. I'm like, yeah. That was supposed to be me. That might be nice to get kind of like a fresh voice around here. That's so funny. Do you have any regrets? Let's just get into it. Infinite. I don't know what kind of mood I'm in today, but fuck it. Do you have any regrets? Yeah, I mean, first of all, like the part where I got a wonderful opportunity and I put my feet in the camera. Yeah. I thought that was cool, by the way. Where I called you racist, I called your listeners racist, for sure.

40:03There's a lot of listeners to the show. Probably at least a couple of them are racist. I bet you got at least a couple of people in that. Oh, right, right. Just throw out the... That's what I love about the race car. Like, you're going to hit somebody. Yeah.

40:18Yeah. Yeah, I have a lot of regrets. I wish I could go back and change a lot of the decisions I've made and a lot of the ways I've acted in my life. But it's also tough because I also have such a beautiful and fabulous life. Yeah. That's filled with a lot of love. And so it's scary to think that even things I do regret could have led me to a different path. Yeah. You know I was supposed to start med school this year. I do know that about you. So like, Jesus, what a horror. Yeah. That's not you, in my opinion. That's not this timeline you. I was supposed to be a lawyer. What? You a doctor, me a lawyer?

41:04A power couple for sure, but... Oh, yeah, that's where we started. I do think we could be a couple. Do you think that you could have a beard and sell it? Sell it?

41:18Oh, but I guess that's what you did in your youth, right? Yeah, I don't know that I was selling it. Oh, yeah, my youth. I don't know that I was selling it. I don't know that I was ever selling straight. I don't know that anyone ever really bought it. Okay. I think everyone was just politely. It's kind of like when you, it's kind of like when someone's super, super Christian is around. A bunch of like atheists, but they're cool mostly. Yeah. And you just kind of tolerate the delusion because you like them. That's how people were treating my straightness, I think. They're like, he's mostly cool.

41:49Sure, he's straight. Okay, okay. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah. You know, tolerating that. That's pretty kind. Sure, sure, sure, sure. But no, I don't think I was ever selling it. I'm the friend who's kind of Christian. No, super. I'm saying like super duper. I have plenty of friends that are kind of Christian. I'm saying like super. Like dead ass. No, like being crazy about it. There's no like gray area, like not like spiritual, but like Christian capital C. Like everyone who's not Christian burns in hell kind of Christians.

42:16Chic. Chic. I was debating wearing it, but I didn't want to turn your viewers away. You wouldn't. I have a lot of Christian viewers. my question for you is this when i say super christian i mean do you think undeniably with certainty oh i know what you're gonna say that people of every other faith go to hell yeah no no see that's what i'm talking i kind of don't even believe in hell but we don't have time that's the line in the sand for me you cannot believe that every other yeah that's crazy and if you do it's all my love that's so you're in a cult ballywoks or whatever the word is i have a problem with christianity i like christianity i myself might even come back to it someday I am just saying to me the big line in the sand is like I also don't believe in hell the big line in the sand is if you if anybody of any faith believes genuinely in their heart that they are 100 correct and everyone else burns in hell for eternity yeah yeah yeah you're brainwashed like totally nuts like of course that's crazy of course do you have do I have faith regrets regrets you're not gonna like my answer no I don't but that's cool because that gives me hope yeah did Did you have regrets?

43:20Stop. I tried to say something nice to you people. No, I'm kidding. I love it. I love it.

43:31Was there a time that you had regrets that you learned to let go of or you've never had regrets all along? I think it's not to say I've never done anything incorrectly or badly. I certainly regret that. I dislike that behaviors of mine have caused undesirable outcomes, but I don't regret anything because I haven't majorly wronged anybody in my life. I haven't hurt anybody. I haven't ruined anyone's life. Not everyone can say that. So I don't think it's correct to have no regrets. I'm lucky to have. After we record, can you please tell me who you're thinking of when you say that someone has ruined someone's life?

44:13Yeah, I can. But no, I don't have any regrets. I feel like everything, like it would be easy to look back and be like, oh man, I wish I would have like started comedy sooner or like not taken, you know, school so seriously when I was 20. But I really don't feel that way. I think it taught me work ethic. You really made you who you are today. Yeah, everything's great. I like my life. I think if you really genuinely present day enjoy your life, you can't have regrets. That's the tough thing is that most days I don't and I'm in so much pain it's unimaginable. Is that true? Yeah. I'm not really sure how to engage with that, to be honest.

44:46Because that was such an earnest and intense thing to say. Oh, yeah. Sorry. But it's okay. No, I'm not upset with it. I like that you said that. What kind of pain? Mental? Yeah. Mental, emotional pain. I'm kind of surprised and relieved that you don't know this about me. I'm in anguish. Yeah. Well, is it like, what are we doing about it? Is there medication involved? Is there therapy? This is the year that I've... You got me, guys. I agree we got to get a professional in the mix okay turn off the lights bring everyone out my family's in the closet yeah we're gonna get a professional involved in my unceasing daily anguish all right all right yeah okay joke's over I'm gonna get help all right yeah my ceaseless pain is going to become someone else's problem.

45:36All right. All right. You got me. I'm tired of going it alone. All I do is hurt. Anybody got options? Solutions?

45:51That is me. Okay. Oh, the therapist coming out. Oh, the therapist was pretending to be the mailman. All right. All right. Give it up for Randy, y 'all. We'll be talking. I'll sit on the little couch. All right. What's going on? I heard all the time. Oh.

46:15I love it. I genuinely think it is so deeply cool that you said that. And also, I'd love to know what we're doing about it. Both. It's pending because I'm busy. Yeah. But something's got to be done. Something's got to be done. things can't go on the way that they've been going yeah but that's also uh i hate that i brought up the generation thing but i think that's also gen z to be like hi good morning i'm in despair yeah don't you think i don't know oh i'm certain that a lot of people in gen z are experiencing that yeah or like the the communication style of like it actually and even the way you received it I felt bad I think for saying it because it's a bit much to burden you.

47:04No I don't feel burdened by it at all. I think it's deeply cool. I like honesty and I don't think it serves anyone to politely lie to especially not in this context. Are there times where that would be probably too much to share with like a total stranger maybe but I'm your friend. I deeply care about you. Also the point of a show like this is to like talk about life. I think like we're engaging in conversation about life and this is something a lot of people are experiencing but i think can you pinpoint suicide hotline number is under get help can you pinpoint like what the biggest uh i you know there's so many different buckets of dread is it state of the world dread is it personal like what what is oh see again you're you're a good person my dread is quite selfish that's nice i feel hope about the world that's really funny not really about the case of Joe Sunday.

48:01That's really funny because your life is going great and the world's kind of going bad. So for you to be like, no, I think the world's going to be fine. It's me that I'm stressed out about. That's really deeply funny to me. And I like that. Oh my gosh. What's causing you stress about Joe Sunday? Do you want to talk about it or you kind of just wanted to move on? No, no, no. We totally can talk about it. I mean like we're gonna have to cut that

48:31we'll just bleep it we'll bleep it and not say what you said we're gonna have to cut that and let's put a little blur over the lips so no one can lip read it I mean yeah that'll be part of it for sure um

48:51I'm very very lonely yeah yeah it's i call it the original loneliness i think um like if slash when i myself i do think this will be like subject line of the note

49:14i did such a good job i did such a good job absolutely love that if slash when I myself Joe I mean this is the funny thing is you're saying it out loud but this is like most comedians well of course isn't that the whole it's like we put on the clown makeup to cover the tears or whatever we're all miserable yeah yeah yeah

49:47okay if you ever feel insulted by me just remember like you're happy I don't ever feel insulted by you. This is why I have the underdog complex. Because I'm like, whatever.

49:59Oh, yeah. The original loneliness. Like, I can't handle the idea that everything we feel at the end of the day, we have to feel it by ourselves. Do you? It's unbearable. You can share and you can talk. But, like, it's even like when you said, is it my problem or yours? it is my problem because as much as i want to i can't like physically share a feeling with anybody right we have to make sense of and deal with our own emotions at the end of the day that is why would you say that to me yeah i know it sucks it's a true it's a true like that's too too difficult it's a true stumbling block i think in the way of a lot of us and happiness is the thing that like we genuinely at the end of the day every feeling we've ever experienced has been experienced by many other people and probably is at the exact same time maybe that's hope maybe that's hope but the way that you deal with it personally and how you choose to move through it is like ultimately up to you man and that part sucks but maybe this is the kind of thing that people get into with this like therapy stuff i think so like the psychiatry okay okay i have tried therapy um and every therapist i've had is like listen kid like I've reviewed your file I'm not the one Really?

51:19Yeah You're being turned away by mental health professionals? I don't think they should be allowed to do that I had no idea it was an option

51:33But it is and yeah my situation is pretty dire Yeah Yeah How many genuinely how many therapists have you been turned away from? Three Three Yeah. It's not a lot. Oh. It's not a lot. There's a lot of therapists out there in the world. Three is biblical. Three is crazy. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. Three is a bigger number than zero.

52:00I'm not going to hold you on that. Hey, things aren't perfect. Things aren't perfect. But it's not enough to give up. I'll tell you that. three is a bigger number than zero hey Caleb yes ma 'am JK JK JK JK no we can find someone three is a huge number three is bigger than one or two three is a huge number but yeah we basically have no choice we gotta try again we will try again can I help do you want to send me and it's the self-sufficiency thing that it's like this is the year I'm kind of accepting help. Yeah. Send me your insurance information. Well, that's the thing. Do you have insurance? How do you sign up for that stuff?

52:52Okay. Okay. That is a huge part of it. You have insurance through your union. If you don't already, you will soon. Brag, brag, brag, brag, brag. Yeah, basically, I figured out how to get on. I was on Medicaid for a year, and I got about beep, beep number of UTIs. Boom, I was getting those antibiotics. Boom, I was drinking them up. And then, yeah, I have to sign up for this union health insurance. So I have really good news for you. Okay. And this is a thing to be excited about. Union insurance is incredible. It's good. I'm so excited. I'm going to have appointments down. I went from having no insurance.

53:27I'm going to go nail salon to the doctor salon. Right. I do not know if it covers nails. I haven't checked. No, no, no. But I'll cover my nails. Okay. Just checking. And then I'm seeing the sleep doctor, mental health doctor, the back doctor, the knee doctor. The endocrine doctor, all the doctors are going to be seeing me. I did appointment. I went crazy on appointments when I got union health insurance. Really? Because I didn't have any before. I was like really neglecting things. Do you feel comfortable to disclose what was the medical intervention that helped you the most? That made that like, yeah.

54:02Helped me the most? Or just like. The most concerning was my teeth. I really had cavities that I was not dealing with because I was so broke. That makes so much sense. And they hurt and I was poor. The dentist is so scary. they're scary difficult and expensive they're so mad at you and so mean i'm still you know who's great fixing it say it orthodontist what i've never been i had adult braces for six years did you yeah i've got a tooth that could come forward this one he's pushed back i'm not going to do anything about it but they would if i let them i like him i think it has character that's that's completely hot they would fix him if they could two supermodels who have that tooth structure yeah i got a couple other fucked up things too these guys are a little weird but my teeth were they were never ugly they were just like hurting what yeah yeah yeah proof of life proof of teeth yeah i like weird teeth i like weird teeth i like weird faces i think it's helpful as an actor i'll never get work on my face ever in my entire life i like being expressive i'm not worried about wrinkles i think they'll be good for me um but i do you are well i think almost everyone looks hotter as they age and you in particular oh my god i'm seeing you a bit older and I think we are going to date you when you're older.

55:12Can I tell you something? What? I look at pictures of myself when I was 19 and picture myself now and I go, Hugh, you are so lucky, brother. I look so much better already than I did when I was 19. I mean, I bet you were adorable and like porcelain. I was like cute or whatever, but like now I'm looking at myself the last like year or so and I'm going, hey, brother. I do think with truly with everyone, but especially with like boys or masculine people, time just helps. Yeah. Just get a bit of weathering. There's a bit of a shaping that goes on. It doesn't help everybody though. I've seen some people go through a rough situation.

55:52Okay. I've seen twink death is real. I've seen some twinks go through trouble. Because at first it's cute. You know, you're 21 and you're like the cutest guy on campus. You get to 32 all of a sudden, gaunt. Gaunt. it doesn't it doesn't go better for everyone it gets better campaign should have had a tagline for some of you

56:18yeah it should be like it it gets better but like get some botox just in case it gets better but hey i can't say yeah it gets it gets better but no one everybody's there is available everybody's beautiful just kidding um do you know did you ever watch flavor of love there's okay good good good i love that um there's this line where new york it's the penultimate episode of season two new york is talking about um who's the girl that says oh what's her name i can't remember but she's goldie no yeah goldie goldie the one who says did everyone try the chicken i thought the chicken was lovely yeah it's new york versus goldie yeah and new york is like kind of shocked that goldie has made it so far and she says about she like she says that goldie is cute but she says cute next to Gorgeous, Gorgeous is, you know, gonna devour cute.

57:04Yeah. I love that line. And I love that, by the way, Goldie, it wasn't Goldie that microwaved the chicken. Goldie was making fun of the girl who microwaved the chicken. It was Hottie who microwaved the chicken. And Goldie was like, Hottie. A full chicken in the microwave. But don't you think that Hottie, where is Hottie, by the way? Because don't you think that woman is a genius? Don't you think she knew she was being hilarious? I don't know. I would have to talk to her more. Because if she knew and she was doing performance art, then I think she's one of the most brilliant minds alive. Yeah. But I do think there are people who have microwave a chicken.

57:38And I don't know which one she was. Because I don't know her. I just really feel like... Maybe this is like my feminist campaign. That when a woman does something and we laugh, I want to err on this side of auteur theory. I would love to. Because she had so many other moments. Like she was the one who said, everyone tells her she looks like Beyonce. Beyonce. Beyonce. Beyonce. I am so sorry that an ugly bitch like this would even say some shit like that. Yes. Oh, I forgot about that part. You look like Luther Vandross. Yeah, I was there. I forgot about that part. Oh, I was there. I was not there, but I caught it as soon as I was of age.

58:18I caught it on YouTube. I think New York's a genius. That clear as day. That's undeniable. That clear as day. Tiffany Pollard. Is that how you say it? Tiffany New York Pollard. Tiffany New York Pollard. God I love you You made me I love you You made me You made so many of us Yeah yeah yeah She is foundational text She's a genius Yeah She's everything Her Nini And it's crazy They Wrote Well The internet is dead now And memes and such are dead But For as long as they lived It was written by those like Four women Like it was New York Nini Leakes the white lady from Kim from season one of Real Housewives of Atlanta and maybe like Deirdre or like one other person like the whole internet like I really think like probably like 85 % of memes were of these women it's not resonating what I'm saying no I just I know Nini to me I can only agree with because I've seen the memes and the outcome I've never seen any Real Housewives episode so I don't know anything about Real Housewives.

59:29Nini broke through. She's in a different stratosphere to me. So I don't know about, I don't know who Deirdre is. I don't know who Kim is. Okay, no worries, no worries. But I would like to. This was my observation is I spent a couple years on the internet. I loved memes. I loved gifs. It was really, really in that. And I had also never watched Real Housewives. And then maybe like two years ago, I watched even the first episode, but like the first season of Real Housewives of Atlanta. every meme it's it's it you know people are like watching the Mona Lisa being painted like every meme on the internet is from this one season of this specific show you think that they're from the years and the years but I swear it's all Real Housewives of Atlanta season one yeah there's something to be said about our culture going from Real Housewives of Atlanta being the thing to Real Housewives of Salt Lake City being the thing and I'm not liking the shift and I like I said never seen either of them trace the fascism onto that But let's just look at what that means along with what's happening with our government and take a peek at that.

1:00:28Someone needs to do a paper. I haven't seen these SLC ladies. I bet there's a college student out there right now drafting it. I want to see it. I want to be in touch with them. I want to see it bad. Yeah. I want to see it bad bad. What are you watching? When I answer this question, I want you guys to know. Yeah, it's so loaded. I'm so sorry. I want you guys to know that I know how I sound and I'm not this guy, but I don't watch reality TV. Everyone hates that about me. No, no, that's okay. That's okay. I watch documentaries. Oh, great. And I watch movies. Come on. And I feel bad that I don't watch.

1:01:00I wish I watched more garbage because I know that's in vogue right now. Wait, I presented a false image of myself as someone. I think reality TV is really cool. I don't watch a lot of it. I'm not talking to you when I say this. I'm not defending myself to you. I don't feel the need to defend myself to my friend Joe. To the people. I'm defending myself to the many, many listeners. Many. Big show. Wait, what are we called again? The Truthers? Truthers. K-lebrities. K-lesbians. Key Latinas are a growing faction The Key Latinas are becoming more and more vocal Key Latinas And I thank you Key Latinas, thank you for being here What about the Cajuns?

1:01:31I haven't heard much from the Cajuns But I would really love to hear from y 'all Cajuns if you're out there Really any group that identifies as a supporter of Caleb I want to hear from them I'm trying to think We could be like

1:01:52I was going to say something like so offensive. Like I was trying to mix Caleb and like black people, but it was going to come out like so just like Jim Crow and wrong. Yeah. I don't think it's obviously my place. I felt pretty comfortable starting Caleb celebrities. That was where that's the contribution I gave to the. I know I wanted to give you one, but I was going to say like the K blackies or something. But it was like. That's exactly what I was going to say. That's so crazy. No, I don't know what it would be. I guess black Caleb fans let me know. Do you know that surely somebody in this room knows the demographic makeup of your listeners?

1:02:27Oh, not by number, but it's a whole bunch of women. Yeah. It's a lot of women. Great. I would say - We touched on some womanly topics. Great. I would say probably 65, 70 % women. Mm-hmm. That's a number that I'm like pretty sure of. Yeah, yeah. More straight guys than you would think. And like white women, question mark, or we don't know about that? I don't know racial makeup. based on who approaches me it's a pretty even mix of like racial background cool uh more straight guys than you would think more straight guys than i'm uh comfortable with shout out to you boys but i am surprised that you're here and i don't really know i don't know what's doing it for you but i'm so glad that you're here i hope that we're all learning something um unfortunately like my best well i have a lot of best friends but like my best fucking friend is a straight guy so really I would never I don't there's not a single straight guy that I respect there's not one straight guy that I hang out with respect or like not one but that that's a green flag to me that's principle oh I see I see you're bullying you're bullying Mr.

1:03:30Chance I'm bullying Chance and also a bunch of other people I love very much come on Chance I'm sorry some of my closest friends to straight guys they're a delightful community well can I I'm gonna say something that I think is hack and I'm sorry that I'm truly just arriving at this now Chance is straight Caleb Caleb is gay Chance oh think about that

1:03:54well Chance and I have known each other since we were 17 years old I know so of course you would morph like Brad Pitt and his girlfriend we have been in the trenches we have been in the trenches

1:04:05Asian Caleb fans please let me know if you like Cajuns if you don't that's no worries we would love to hear from you black Caleb fans I love you deeply also be couldn't casians be for like black people from the south or yeah that's really smart yeah that's really really smart i hate puns or not really but i hate i don't like when a joke hinges on the fact that a word sounds like another word or a word could be misunderstood for another word i think that's cheap yeah i'm really i'm kind of into it really no i said the wrong thing i said the wrong thing you didn't say the wrong thing at all okay i think it's interesting you don't like but k-lebrities i'm not explaining it well like i do like like like jane had this joke where she was like my name's tamara i'll tell you tamara i thought that was adorable and really really made me laugh yeah but i don't like when a joke is like um oh like people are always doing oh fuck i can't remember but they're like uh oh people are all oh i'm i'm being mean for no reason people are always doing a joke where um the word melatonin sounds like melanin yeah they're always doing a joke where they're like someone like gave me melatonin but i thought i was gonna like wake up african-american or something i'm like me fiercely editing my next hour crossing things out fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck yeah that joke sucks that's why you don't like it right i think it's probably just one specific joke sucks i hate that joke wait you were saying something interesting oh and i was remembering i have something interesting to ask you go ahead let's say because I'm remembering mine.

1:05:35Oh, I was just saying black Caleb fans, please let us know what you'd like your fan name to be. Oh, I remember mine. Say. Who is your ideal audience member? Ideal audience member? Actually, it's two questions. One, when you're writing, is there a person you have in mind who you're writing for? And does that person match with who your dream audience member is? like the person you actually want to be watching your stuff coming to your shows etc i genuinely try as hard as i can when i'm writing not to think about the audience at all i try so hard to remove them from it entirely are you thinking about yourself yeah you're writing with the man in the mirror yeah i'm thinking what do i think is funny what am i genuinely trying to say what is the point do i think this is acceptable yeah it is a very hard practice and i'm not saying that i accomplish it but that is what i'm trying to do cool cool cool i am most i will say black audiences are the most discerning and about comedy they're tough and white comics people are so funny black people are so funny and black people also i feel that i feel that black people black audiences specifically they don't do pity they give it to you when you've earned it and they don't when you don't seriously and white audiences really do pity yeah yeah and i don't want pity i want to be really really good yeah yeah so when i make a black audience laugh or an audience that has more black people in it or if i'm looking at an audience and i see you know like as is the case at a lot of brooklyn venues if i see 300 white people and six black people i'm performing for i'm mostly looking at the six black people yeah because if i'm making the black audience members genuinely laugh that's real it counts then i know that i can trust it if i'm making like you know i don't know a lot of a lot of white audiences really do just give pity laughs and i'm like i'm not interested in that i want to be genuinely good so i genuinely do really appreciate when a when a black person finds me funny um but i have a lot of white fans and i am genuinely grateful that they come and find me funny as well but i would say like yeah i think there is a tendency towards like I mean yeah like white lies like polite like there's a tendency towards politeness that I'm just not really interested in so I would say that and is there any element to like I'm thinking about how you know on Wii slash Wii Sports Resort or you know on Wii the Nintendo Wii you would make a me I'm thinking about how for some reason through my entire childhood all my me's were white how are we gonna reconcile this right what are we gonna do about that is there anything to you when you're thinking about your ideal audience member is there anything to the question of like does that person match you is that person like a a gay person from missouri or are they someone totally different um no i don't think of an ideal audience member really i like cool like i said i would like to kill in rooms that i think are difficult to kill like to kill in that's what i would like the most um i think and i also think white comics know this by the way i think a lot of white comics don't perform in black rooms because they know that it won't go well and so i think this is a known fact and what you do about it is your business but um even this is something that's kind of a question for me because it's also like well do you like i wonder if maybe there's something to be said for something that i'm that i like about the state of comedy today is that jesus christ i'm sorry to be giving my no one asked for my opinion about the state of comedy i did okay um oh there just are so many comedy fans and so it can be cool to find your niche and maybe some people feel like is is it good like if you don't kill in certain rooms is it good to be like okay well like those those seller people are in my business anyway or should you still really go for it and try no i'm not interested in performing at the seller or the store not because of the audiences necessarily but because i don't like the way they do biz i don't care yeah yeah i'm not gonna come and like they they asked me to perform at the comedy store in la they're like come and do our like come and work your way up and do our potluck and i'm like I sell out your way up.

1:10:02I sell out rooms three times the size of that room. I don't need to work my way up. Crazy. That's so funny. But that's the thing is I'm like, that's that do whatever you want. I don't care. I don't care. And also if I bombed in front of a room of like midtown tourists, would I care? Yeah. But that's the thing is you have to be, you have to believe in your thing regardless, but some comics, yeah, their thing doesn't work in a lot of rooms and they don't care. They're like anti-comedy comics. And I think they're, I really laugh at those sets and enjoy them it's not what i want to do but i think it's awesome i hear you i hear you yeah i think i'm a little more with you on this yeah yeah i would like i would like to get laughs uh but yeah i think it's cool when people have a different way of doing it i think the fun thing about comedy and the times i feel most like honored and excited to be part of like the comedy world is when there's a lineup with people who do it all very differently yeah and i get to watch everybody and be like, oh, fuck, I love when...

1:10:58I could never do what Sarah Squirm does. I could never do what Chris Fleming does. I could never do... Oh my God, you're making my dream lineup. I'm like getting hot in my pants. Yamanika? Yes! The first time I saw her on a lineup, I was like, I don't have access. Saunders, yes? Yes. I don't have access to what she does. Completely. Don't need it. I do what I do. Yeah. But it's fun to watch lineups where you're like... Who's going to make this lineups? Me, my next show. Boom. Make your lineup, babe. Here we go. Come on. Can I ask you another comedy question? oh but finish your thought that's it i just love it i just love when it's different yes is laughter your god and i can explain what i mean by that or you can take it or you can take it as you hear it explain what you mean because i'm interested okay well

1:11:41it's a bit shady i don't think it'll come across as shady and whoever would take it that way won't be listening to this anyway um i was talk there's there there was a comic who I felt, oh, here I go. There was a comic, okay, I'll be vague, I'll be vague. There was a comic, I don't even like the word comic. There was a comedian, there was a clown whose jokes I felt were harmful. I really didn't like them. I really took issue, but they were getting a lot of traction online and at shows and I met this person and I asked them like why do you do that like do you really believe that stuff do you really dislike xyz category of person and that person's response was so interesting they were like no I roll with all kinds of people I don't care at all I just say that stuff because it gets the reaction I want it just gets the audience just gets me the sound of laughter that I need.

1:12:44And to me, that is laughter is your God. That's the central thing. It's just like, what can I say to get the sound of laughter? Whereas other people, like I'm such a big fan of like Jacqueline Novak. I feel like her God is like maybe like the idea or like the narrative maybe something like that so I'm curious for you where do you stand I think this I I phrased this question differently for myself but when you explained it I understood it as a question that I have asked myself I think every comedian has to ask themselves this question in some way at some point if you've been doing it for long enough you have to decide yeah the way I ask it is do you want to be funny more than you want to be anything and the answer is no I want to be a good person more than I want to be anything and I want to be funny really really really badly and I don't actually me personally I don't actually disrespect people who want to be funny more than they want to be anything there are comics I like who I don't quite either I don't care I'm like good for you I'm like go nuts yeah if I don't like the joke I'm like whatever if you want to be funny more than you want to be anything do I think that's going to lead you to like a spiritually happy good content place do I think that's going to lead to a necessarily good life no that's why I'm not doing it but I want to be a good person more than I want to be anything and then in a very close second I want to be funny really badly but it matters you know yeah I'm assuming that you are not in the camp of laughter is God.

1:14:24No, and I think it's to my detriment. That's interesting. I think I'm a little bit too nerdy about comedy. I think I spend too much time thinking what's really the truth here? What can I find? What can I twist? It's like, it's not a master's thesis. Yeah. That's a really, really interesting point. I do that a lot. I will oftentimes be testing a joke where I'm trying to do way too much. Yeah. I think that's something I've noticed as like kind of a poison rising up in Brooklyn comedy a little bit.

1:15:02Yeah. And honey, I've been poisoned before. Like a stand-up set that's an essay. Yeah. Yeah. I've caught myself doing that before. You've been poisoned. Me too. I'm poisoned all the time. Yeah. And then you draw it back and it's way funnier. Yeah. Well, Joe, we have one last thing for you. We're almost done. We have a segment for you. I miss you. Oh, gosh. It sucks that we can never talk again after this. I hate that. We should take that out of the contract. The grief will consume me. And we'll talk off camera about some stuff. Oh.

1:15:34Therapy and all that. Are you ready? We're going to play a true-false segment. Okay. I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. Okay. Joe, if you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you 50 US dollars. Boom. Are you ready? Lunch. The Houston Texans have won two Super Bowls. False. False. Zero. Rebecca Black's song Friday came out on a Thursday. True. True. Ants don't have lungs. The way you're telling me the answer right away is totally messing with me. Ants don't have lungs. True. True. The first credit card was invented in 1915.

1:16:11True. False. 1950. Ah, that's what I thought. Okay. Ghana has the seventh largest population among African countries. Did you put that for me? I didn't write them. I won't lie to you. Gone has a seventh largest. I mean, that's like, that's... Seventh largest isn't anything. Come on.

1:16:34False. False. 13th. Point Nemo is the farthest place from land on earth. Okay. Is it like, do you have a house there? Sorry. I started to stop doing guilt. Tony didn't respond to the question. I don't freaking know false true it takes two years for a single pineapple to grow fully true Portland Oregon was almost named Boston Oregon true true trees have been on earth longer than sharks false false goats have rectangular pupils true the mascot for the University of Chicago is Marty the Maroon lol false because I think it's a phoenix false it's Phil the Phoenix Spongebob Squarepants and Squidward are voiced by the same actor.

1:17:17Oh, man. I wish I knew. False. The guy who invented Pringles had his ashes buried in a Pringles can. Probably true. Sicko. True. Komodo dragons have opposable thumbs. These are such fun facts. True. Because I think that's how they do them in the cartoons. Yeah. False. Last one. The first Avatar movie has made more money than Avatar 2.

1:17:43True. True. How'd she do? 11. Yeah, let's go. Winner, winner, winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, proud of you. Great job on the game. Why, thank you. Hey, Jo, is there anything you want to tell people where they can find you, etc.? Oh, yeah. My Instagram is joe.loffrice. Like the food. And you can see me in the credits. It goes by quicker than you can imagine. in the credits of a certain TV show that airs every Saturday night. It's MSNBC. You write for MSNBC. Thanks so much for being on. We love you. Thanks for doing it. Oh my God, I love you so much. Thank you, guys. We did it. Thank you. Thank you.

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