Josh Sharp Returns

24 Jul 2025 · 1 h 10 min · 30 chapters

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In short

Josh Sharp’s return episode centers on his Off-Broadway run of Ta-Da at Greenwich House Theater, the exhaustion of rehearsal/tech/previews, and how theater/standup energy syncs in live performance. They also riff on fandom, “straight male” audience dynamics, tithing, church, etiquette/cotillion, biking in NYC, and creative process (“process over product,” coven-building, love/gratitude over hitting/yelling).

Guest backgrounds

Josh Sharp is an openly gay performer and theater/standup artist currently starring in Ta-Da (directed by Sam Pinkleton; produced by Mike and Carly O’Mary). Caleb Hearon is a comedian/performer and frequent collaborator in the HeadGum orbit.

Key claims

Off-Broadway runs can shift a comedian toward “actress mode.” The best nights feel like communal witchcraft and matter more than reviews. Tithing can be reframed as giving based on what you already spend on friends. Theater relies heavily on queer stagecraft labor (she/they stage managers).

Notable examples

Nathan Lane attending with Nathan Lee Graham (Zoolander/Mugatu assistant); Amy Ryan; Times review contrast (Dicks the Musical: Times pan, Post rave); cotillion foxtrot with parents; biking routes (Prospect Park, Astoria Park); “I can’t” tech exhaustion T-shirt. Josh also mentions his relationship with performer Blake Daniel (Spring Awakening).

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Chapters

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Josh's Return Episode

0:45 to 3:20

Discussion about Josh's return and their playful banter.

“Y 'all, we are locked in for Josh's return episode.”

Audience Insights and Straight Male Fans

3:20 to 6:40

Exploration of their audience composition and reactions.

“correct to fulfill those quotas for the people you're at the greenwich theater doing your show which I have seen a work in progress version of and raved about.”

Josh's Show and Public Relations

6:40 to 10:00

Discussion about Josh's current show and its promotional aspects.

“We might play with the order a little bit.”

Josh's Exhaustion and Performance Challenges

10:00 to 13:20

Josh shares his experience with exhaustion from show preparations.

“he was like I just invited a few friends come by you know it's just a couple of my friends it's like Baranski and Meryl Streep.”

Tithing and Spiritual Practices

13:20 to 14:00

Conversation about the concept of tithing and financial giving.

“I hope you're going to church after this.”

Exploring Tithing and Generosity

14:00 to 16:19

The hosts discuss the concept of tithing and how it relates to personal generosity.

The Good Time Charlie Mentality

16:20 to 18:28

A reflection on being generous even when financially unstable, exploring personal anecdotes.

“Sounds like the name of a play that I'd be forced to go to in college.”

Cotillion and Etiquette

18:29 to 19:13

The conversation shifts to discussing cotillions, etiquette, and gender roles in social settings.

“I could be the sunlight in your universe as I grind on my mom in a southern conservative way.”

Future Singing Aspirations

19:14 to 20:48

The hosts contemplate their potential singing careers and future collaborations.

“Well, not to bring up something from another podcast, and we'll do this briefly and move on.”

Relationships and Personal Updates

20:49 to 23:27

Discussion of personal relationships and life updates, including new romantic connections.

“I'm mostly invested in coming to your shows, hanging out with you, following you around the country.”
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The Importance of Community in Theater

23:28 to 26:18

Exploring the vital role of she/they individuals in the theater community and their cultural impact.

“And God help you, so now you have to rely on the Brooklyn Bridge.”

Connor Ratliff and Comedy

26:19 to 28:00

A tribute to comedian Connor Ratliff and his unique style and impact on the comedy scene.

“Where he started running for president because he was 35.”

Celebrating Comedy Friends

28:00 to 29:59

The hosts discuss their favorite comedians and memorable performances.

“The number of things you were so deep in reference.”

The Joy of Performing

30:00 to 33:30

Caleb shares a transformative experience during a recent performance.

“It was an incredible show and now I'm feeling bad that I might have forgot someone.”

Collaboration and Community

33:31 to 36:20

The hosts explore the importance of collaboration and positivity in creative work.

“And it's hard because there's a lot of different like inputs that come at you all the time.”

Navigating Challenges of Leadership

36:21 to 37:59

Discussion on the struggles and dynamics of managing creative teams.

“Although we've gotten results out of hitting and yelling.”

Biking Adventures and City Life

38:00 to 42:00

The hosts share their biking experiences and challenges in the city.

“to get into the island or leave the island.”

Biking Tales and Urban Infrastructure

42:00 to 42:30

Explore the challenges of biking in urban environments and the systemic issues related to infrastructure.

“And then I'm having to throw on brakes to not hit them.”

The Dynamics of Conversation

42:30 to 44:24

Hear about the unique conversational dynamics between gay men and the balance of speaking in dialogues.

“And also, two gay men can speak at the same time and both hear each other.”

One Hit Wonders and Musical Legacy

44:24 to 46:24

Discuss the significance of one-hit wonders and the impact of having a hit song in the music industry.

“Rosemary's granddaughter, spitting image of my father.”

The Jester's Role in Culture

46:24 to 48:44

Delve into the role of jesters in society and the power of humor to address serious topics.

“that's what matters no one did I feel really passionately about that and I got very worked up and I had pizza for lunch so my tummy's just a little upset but I'm just I'm rife for something to go wrong I see that.”

A Mind Telepathy Game

48:44 to 50:45

Engage in a playful mind-reading game where the hosts try to guess each other's thoughts.

“Listeners, tell us in the Spotify comments if you get what I'm about to do.”

True or False Challenge

50:45 to 55:41

Participate in a fun true or false quiz with interesting trivia facts and stakes for listeners.

“God, y 'all thought Inside Baseball Musicians was bad.”

Voicemail from a Newlywed

55:41 to 56:01

Listen to a voicemail from a listener who shares their unique wedding menu and asks about ideal weddings.

“What about whoever gets the most likes on this episode?”

Discussing New York Times Critique

56:01 to 56:39

The hosts humorously critique the New York Times and discuss manners.

“New York Times is like, like dicks, it sucks.”

Voicemail About Wedding Preferences

56:40 to 57:11

The hosts listen to a voicemail sharing a wedding experience and ask about ideal weddings.

“So I just wanted to call in and let you guys know that I got married a few days ago.”

Ideal Wedding Discourse

57:12 to 1:00:18

Caleb and Josh discuss their thoughts on weddings and share their ideal wedding concepts.

“And I want to thank you for calling in, big girl.”

Sports Narratives and Personal Opinions

1:00:19 to 1:02:10

A lively debate ensues about sports narratives, particularly around baseball and soccer.

“It's across the board treatment with the letter.”

Embracing Summer and Sweat

1:02:11 to 1:03:29

Josh encourages embracing summer and discusses the positives of sweating.

“I will never forget on this show when Alex English said something during his interview.”

Closing Remarks and Content Promotion

1:03:30 to 1:04:30

The hosts wrap up with a discussion about Josh's shows and ways to engage with the audience.

“If you're going to be a summer girl, be a summer girl.”
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Transcript

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0:01This is a HeadGum Podcast. I'm scared to say. That's okay. Because it's so far off. What do you want to try and guess? Hold on. I'm thinking of a number. No, now you do it. Now you do it. Okay, I'm thinking of a number. Send it to them. And this is for listeners only. God, y 'all thought Inside Baseball Musicians was bad. Listener.

0:23Joshua Cassandra Sharp. Here we are. Caleb Hearon. Everyone's saying it wrong. They are saying it wrong. You start with your pronouns. And then Aaron. Aaron, yes. Me when somebody goes, that's Ronald Weasley. No, he Aaron. He Aaron. Is that a joke? Was that even a joke? Is that a joke? Y 'all, we are locked in for Josh's return episode. Who's the famous Ron? And the first one was Weasley. Sorry to platform the turf and bring up Weasley within 30 seconds. JK's invoked in the space. I know. She's an apparition now in the corner. she's glad it's a bunch of he hims she is glad I'll say that much she her say it with your chest is glad you say the he a Ron joke and someone says are you serious and you go no I'm JK damn we are off we could end the pod right now literally y 'all are so lucky for these last 90 seconds Josh I wish these I wish these gay people out there listening to us I wish that they were in although I've learned we have straight male fans I've learned that too about my fan base in a way that's shocking but they're a blessed minority what do you think they get from us because I've learned there are head from their girlfriends

1:43what they get from being fans of us is head from their girlfriends you get head on your birthday and when you go with me to the beacon to see Caleb He-A-Ron when you go with me to see Josh Sharp at the Greenwich House Theater you go get head I wish you could have seen Josh at my last tour about 15 minutes into the show when I would say, hey, and I just want to give a special shout out to all the guys whose girlfriends made them come. The number of straight men that would light up like Christmas in that audience to feel seen. And they did. They felt seen. They would go. They would go. They they felt so seen in that moment.

2:18And that's your nice straight male audience. Not to give away a joke in my show where I'm doing, you know, stand up and storytelling with a bunch of slides. but there is a part where I go, be honest, are there any straight guys here? And the slide behind me says straight guys, question mark. And then a couple of them clap. And then I go, Lord knows why. And I flip the slide and it says cultural exchange. And when they are out, like up on their feet at that idea, that they are sort of an Erasmus student here to take in our culture. They're interlocking, learning the delicacies of piano. Absolutely.

2:52Their mom made them go, but they got there and they're sort of like, there's something to this you know what you know what yeah i really love that wait was i gonna oh yeah let's just get let's get the plug out of the way now because i don't want people to wait until the end of the episode to know you're here because i love you and i'm excited to have you back period at the same time period full stop but at the same time yeah you do have an incredible show going on right now why not be here as friendship and also to do our our public relations obligations exactly correct to fulfill those quotas for the people you're at the greenwich theater doing your show which I have seen a work in progress version of and raved about.

3:26And if the fates allow, you'll be at opening night tomorrow just to locate the listener in time and space. I don't know when this comes out. This comes out likely Thursday. Oh, that's beautiful. Then the show will be in full swing seven times a week through August 23rd. More and more. And yeah, Greenwich House Theater, Josh Sharpe, directed by Mr. Sam Pinkleton, Mr. Sam Pinkleton. And produced by Mike and Carly, the O'Mary gang back together. Yes. Once more. But for my cum jokes and my pathos. You have, I'm not going to say any of them because of course I don't want to spoil it, but I will just tell the audience that Josh's current show, Ta-Da, has at least three jokes that I think about once or twice a week.

4:03You love that. I do. You love that. I can't wait to hear them off air. I will tell you off air. Yeah. I will tell you off air. Okay. But they're really good, Josh. Thank you, King. And I'm just a huge fan. So what's going on with you? Come on. Well, you know what's so funny? And I know we're going to bring in some lobby talk into the podcast space. Yeah. I feel exhausted in a way I haven't felt. And it's almost a joke because the show opens tomorrow. So I've been in rehearsals and tech and previews. And for a while, as a joke, I was sending to my friends an image of that T-shirt that says, I can't.

4:36I have tech. And now it's writ real. It's reality. It has become real. It is reality. When I say Friday, I hit a wall and I was like, I've never been this tired in my life. Yes. And some of it is just like, oh, I'm like doing this. I've never done this type of run. Are you doing this many shows a week? Yeah. And then especially in like the preview stage, it's like you're doing rehearsal during the day and then you're doing the show at night and you're changing things and you're and then also some of it not to get too heavy is like because of some of the content of the show and Sam sort of pulling me a little bit from comedian into actress mode of like, what's it like when you recount this story of this awful accident you went through or your mom dying and you're not just sort of outside observing it.

5:14You're also sometimes like in it telling it storyteller stuff. As a human being that experienced that. Literally. and doing that every night of the week, I think it caught up to me. I was like, okay, I get this actress shit. In some small little way. It's still that type of show, but it's pulling me into that space more. Lately, I've been like, damn, I'm exhausted. But in a blessed, great way. I know. You know what I mean? That's the caveat of both of our moment, I think. Every day I'm waking up in my bed like, I've never been this tired. I don't know how to do this. And so I make myself lay there for two more hours than I normally would.

5:45Because luckily I have that, where it's like, You're probably having call times at like four in the morning. I'm not getting that at the moment. Yeah. At the moment, I am waking up, getting in the shower, getting in a car, and then working for 12 hours. Yeah. Yeah. I feel similarly, though, where I'm like, I am, and it's so funny because I forget this every time I'm not filming something. I go, man, I wish I was filming something. And then I book a job and I go, how did you forget what this is like? And I love it and I still want to do it, but I'm like, the brain does do a funny thing where it's almost like there's an animal thing that has to turn off me remembering what making a movie or TV show is like so that I can want to do it again because of how much I love it.

6:18It's brutal. I'm not in the version of that, but it's also new. It's like I've never, I like know that conceptually speaking, but I've also never done this type of theatrical run. So it's both like me turning off like you knew this was hard and also like learning every day the way in which it's hard. Yeah. Also, I swear we're going to tell jokes soon. No, this won't be funny. I refuse to let this episode be funny. We came in hot. That first 180 seconds, damn, y 'all remember He A-Ron and I'm just JK. I'm JK. Wow, y 'all. Wow. We came in hot. We might play with the order a little bit. We might have a chance to cut this up.

6:48Chop and screw. We might move some of this initial stuff way to the back. God, I wish Jay Dilla was alive. Think of what he would do with this. The producer, Jay Dilla. Who's that? Do you not know Jay Dilla? No, who's that? Oh, God, you're losing fans. Who is that? Incredible hip-hop producer. Worked with MF Doom a lot. Worked with a lot of the legendary legends. Wow. Yeah. Wonder if he worked with Tech N9ne. I bet so, but I actually can't recall. Tech N9ne is my guy. I actually can't recall. But my point is, chop and screw this, absolutely. In the edit, you'll find the episode. We'll do what needs to be done.

7:22We'll do what needs to be done. Yeah, in rehearsal. We'll rehearse this episode a couple times. We'll put it on its feet. We'll see how it feels. But can I say, to also answer your question, when today is my one day off between two weeks on and then opening night tomorrow, which is a big to-do, and they were like, keep it free, and then you asked to do the podcast, and I was like, I'm going to do it. And producers were like, are you up for that? I was like, this is one of those things that isn't exactly work. It does give me, like me getting to talk to you is like a buoyant thing that gives me energy.

7:50Oh, Josh. Do you know what I mean? For real, though. I just go the same way. Any other podcast would be no, but I'm like that I get to sit. I mean, duh. It's like plug Josh Sharpe to dot com. But it's like mostly it's like I get to sit with Caleb for 90 minutes. I haven't gotten to see you in a minute. Well, you've been so busy. I've been so busy. So here we are. It's nice when we reconnect. Catching damn up. Who? Okay. For the heads. Who is? Be honest. and don't mince words and don't you dare try to skate around this, Josh. Okay. Who is the most exciting person that is coming to opening? And it can't be me.

8:19I'm not going to mince words. The only trouble is we're saying this because of how time works the day before. Yeah. And you know how it is. There's many who have RSVP'd yes and you just never know. Who is the most exciting person that's RSVP'd yes? Come on. Well, honestly, to me personally, of course, Nathan Lane is coming. But he's bringing as his guest Nathan Lee Graham, who I love and know for years. but I do believe I mean Nathan Lane is legend we could talk about this all day Nathan Lane is mother father everything but so is Nathan Lee Graham and I want to stake the flag in the ground that I think especially for a certain generation like Nathan Lee Graham as that fucking assistant to Mugatu and Zoolander is like queer canon like there were no funny parts Nathan Lee Graham is like mother to a lot of people who don't even know it many of us have paid our bills off of playing gay assistant due to the works of Nathan Lee Graham, who's a legend.

9:12I love him. But when I heard Nathan was coming and was bringing Nathan Lee Graham, I was like, well, come on. The Nathans? It doesn't get any better than that. The Nathans are coming? Nathan and Nathan together? Nathan and Nathan? So again, watch them both wake up tomorrow. Yeah. They flake because they have chlamydia. It's not even like COVID or something. They're both just like, sorry, we each got the clap. Not from each other, but... Chlamydia is very serious, Josh. It's serious. It's very serious. so that's fun who else is coming well Amy Ryan's coming and I love her Josh this is a star studded cast well I think she won't mind me saying that we went to one of Nathan Lane's openings because Aaron and I know Nathan Lane and she was a Broadway opening like a year and a half ago and she was famously in Bo's Afraid with him and so we went to this little after party Nathan threw at Sardi's and when I say he was like I just invited a few friends come by you know it's just a couple of my friends it's like Baranski and Meryl Streep.

10:09So they're at one table and effectively the kids' table is me, Aaron Jackson, and Amy Ryan and Ari Aster just being like, look at Meryl Streep. You know what I mean? That's the kids' tables. Amy Ryan, Ari Aster, and the stars of Dicks the musical. So Amy and I really got along that night. When I say me, Amy Ryan, Ari Aster, Aaron Jackson fully are doing the thing. We're at the table and I'm being like, take a picture of me just to frame Meryl Streep behind. Like, we're like fully doing that like we're fucking randos in Times Square. Just being like, oh, get a picture of me. And truly just there's pictures of me in the bottom left corner just to get like Meryl sitting next to Bransky.

10:49Yeah. Meryl glowing in the background. Oh, my God. Having Martin. We didn't say hi. Are you kidding? Of course not. We're not insane. We're not insane. I sit there with Ari Aster and Amy Ryan and we crack jokes all night. Just as I'm supposed to. Amy Ryan, a legendary legend. Legendary legend. One of the funniest people. And she was so good in doubt. Unreal. She was so good in doubt. Unreal. Anyway. God, all this name dropping. God, this is silly. It sucks. This is silly of us. You've changed. I've changed in a big way. You've changed. Off-Broadway will change you, girl. Yes. I tell you what. You're different.

11:19You walked in here and you said, where's my tea? Yeah. And I said, Josh. Oh, sweetie, I'm making three figures a week now. That Off-Broadway money will change you. Yeah, I'm changed. I'm being different towards everybody. What did I say I've changed about recently? Oh, well, I posted a picture of, this was a joke ultimately, but I posted a picture of my mom. It's all a joke. It's all a joke. Can we just say that to your listeners? Can we say that? Some of y 'all are like, this is real. Oh, they're so serious. I've gotten a little, I've read some of the comments on the YouTube lately. Some of our listeners need to stop listening because they've started to piss me off.

11:53What kind of stuff are they saying? They said my charm has fallen.

11:59I was telling Chance before you came in here. someone someone commented recently and said there's no other way to say this caleb's charm has fallen well i want to say two things one the man is tired by the way okay the man is tired but two i'd love to give you a platform right now to do something quite charming oh joshua that was it there it was and there it was um but what was what were we talking about oh i've changed well i posted my mom on my close friend story i was going to post my mom on my close friend story just a picture of her at lunch being cute and without even thinking sort of instinctually I put the Paris filter on her.

12:33I smoothed her. I smoothed my beautiful mother. And she looked good in it. And I posted her smooth. Mothers are God's perfect angels. I know. I smoothed my own mother who gave birth to me. And I posted and then I said, oh, Caleb. You can't be smoothing mother. Not on close friends. For close! I didn't even smooth her for public. I smoothed her for my cousin and five comedians. I smoothed her for you and chance. That's my close. That sucks, Chance. I know. I smoothed her. I smoothed Mother. When this is done, text me and Chance the picture of her no Paris filter. Just to make amends. Mother, you've been smoothed.

13:11I want the raw footage to make amends. You've been hit by, you've been struck by a smooth Instagram filter. I really, truly smoothed Mother, and I couldn't believe it. And I said, Caleb, I don't like this. This is dark where you're headed. That's dark. You're going down a dark path, son. I hope it's Sunday. I hope you're going to church after this. I went before and I'll be going after. Of course. I was at church early this morning. Yes, absolutely. I go to the 8 and the 11. Yeah, because you are going to go to heaven. Yes. I want to go to heaven. Yes. And Wednesday nights, I know that they see you down there as well.

13:41Also, you know, I'm doing the collection plate now. Yes. I pass it. I do that thing. They asked you to stop doing so much with your hips, did they not? Well. With the collection plate, weren't you doing a lot of hip work? The numbers don't lie. I'm telling you, when these other he-hims be passing that plate, they don't get as much as me. i considered i um recently i considered beginning to tithe oh i thought what if i talk about this i believe it i think that's one of the best parts of church i really do think you should tithe i'm like what if i started i set a percentage that works for you and every month you should give it away i mean of course we're leftist so i mean like give it away to like mutual aid and stuff not to a church and also not to anything on act blue but i just mean like give it to like mutual late or just like give it away yeah just like find someone and give them your money i think it's like a really good spiritual practice do you know what i did i started to think about i was typing an email to to the people who need to know that maybe i want to start tithing and then i said you know what go look at how much money you spent on other people's meals and cars this month like friends you know and just see what the number is and the number was such that i said we're gonna put the email off for a month well that's a form of time i said that that's my tithing for this month it is true that one of the greatest times when you're like having checks feeling flush yeah is is picking up dinner for your friends that's the only thing and we've talked about this because because you've picked up some for me recently because i'll do it again absolutely because i would say i we haven't been flush lately and this shall change yeah but i've talked about this with friends where it's like because there were times i was flush picking up checks and for those of us in this business you know girl it four years who knows who's gonna be picking up checks yeah so we sort of are always doing it to invest in like you're gonna be picking up mine in a couple years i have no doubt you will get me back you will get me back you will you will not just because you're gonna pop off because i will fall yeah i will fall from the charm is down the charm has fallen the olympus has fallen the truly it there is like an acute awareness i think unless you've been like very very very rich which none of us are for like 20 years other than that everyone that we hang out with everyone in our like walk of life even when they're doing well has this awareness of like hey who yeah i got six months at best exactly it's like who fucking knows i'm not counting on anything because you just don't know so i do think what you're talking about is a form of tithing but i also think you're not wrong to be considering that and maybe going oh maybe i'm not gonna stop picking up cars and dinner for my friend maybe the percentage is much smaller than i think but it's like i'm still gonna carve out some little percentage that's like on the on the monthly goes towards something yeah i think that's a beautiful practice do you know one of the most i'm flagging we need to talk about cotillion we need to talk about cotillion let's get back to cotillion that's related to tithing one of the most accurate things that's ever been said to me is that when i was about to move to chicago my dad's my dad was terrified of me moving to chicago partially because he had that and he said son you gay he said son you're gay accurate thing well he actually yes almost identically that i talked about that in the special but the he said he said well i'm a little worried about you because you're a bit of a good time charlie and what he meant what he meant by that is even when you're broke you'll be throwing that card down for stuff you can't and i was like oh he clocked the hell out of me i was like i do even when you're flash you're backing up on it i'm doing things i shouldn't be doing uh-huh and that's good time charlie behavior good time charlie i'd never heard of his good time charlie you haven't have you heard that i want it all the time good time charlie for some reason i'm drawn to i want to be like good time gary i want to go you want to but i like charlie charlie is correct or t good time you're a good time terry yeah oh terry's more fun good time Terry.

17:11Good time Tammy. Or a Gianna T. Good time General Terry. He's in the military. Yeah, fuck. And he's doing great. Or is it better to sandwich? Is it good time Timmy Generals? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it like GTDG? No, you're right. Good time Theodore Gash.

17:30Good time Theodore Gash. Sounds like the name of a play that I'd be forced to go to in college. Oh, God, yes. Yeah, because Chance was in it. Good time Theodore Gash. Good time Theodore Gash. Cotillion. Well, we were talking about this off-air and Chance had questions, and it feels related to tithing. Yeah. First of all, did you do cotillion? No, but I took etiquette classes. It was a different thing. But these are related fields. Yes, they are. Because Chance said, that's for girls only. And I said, well, then why my he-him-ass be in it? Yeah, well, Chance is a gender essentialist. It's very scary.

18:01Well, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, sorry to bring up JK again, but Chance and JK over there going cotillions for girls. Very in cahoots. Yeah, those two. No, to answer your question, Chance, it was for all genders. And you did learn manners, but you also learned the foxtrot. Yeah. And then the last week, you would bring your parents in and you'd foxtrot your mom around. Yeah. You'd do like box step with your mom while they played baby faces if I could change the world over and over again. Yes. And it's beautiful, by the way. It was beautiful. Yeah. We didn't have a dance component. I could be the sunlight in your universe as I grind on my mom in a southern conservative way.

18:37You know what I mean? Yeah, grinding in a Southern conservative way is a lost art. You might think this life is really something good. I'm like to the left and back, to the right and back, you know? It's kind of sort of softly gripping your mom's curves on accident. Absolutely. Yeah, nice. Baby, if I could. Tell them. Yeah. Is there a singing aspect of your career coming up? Career, I hope. Not in this show, but yeah. An album? I couldn't. It was hard enough on The Voice to do this show where I'm just talking at my pace. Yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it would be fun to sing again. Yeah.

19:12You know what I mean? Yeah. Do you think there's a singing phase in your career? No. I couldn't possibly. Well, not to bring up something from another podcast, and we'll do this briefly and move on. A bit we'd been saying for years that Bowen and Matt finally said on the podcast in a way that was like, okay, well, now this is going to be real. The four of us will do a concert tour one day and call it For the Tour. They rhyme. Everyone sings at all times. yeah there's never one voice yeah i can't imagine that will actually happen and maybe in the next year because it's now they've like staked it and they're like we're really doing this and we've always joked about it but known we were really doing it but it was a secret yeah and now they said it to their fucking fans they're like in the comments like when is for the tour so i do think i'll do that one day i can't imagine that it wouldn't happen number one and number two i can i can already like of the four of you i'm like matt's gonna have a ball like Like all four of you, of course, will have a blast, but Matt's going to have a ball.

20:10And then relatedly, one year, and I don't know when is the right year, but Aaron and I need to do Dick's the movie, the concert. Easily. Or Dick's the musical, the concert. Yes. Like that needs to happen, but we need to give it enough time to sort of feel like it's in. Well, you need to start booking guest acts now. Because you need to get on Megan's calendar. That's true. You need to get all the special folks in there. Yeah. And we'll do it at Hollywood Cemetery. Yes, of course. In the middle of winter. Yes, of course. easily. Winter's fine out there. That's part of the whole thing. That's true.

20:36God, yeah, I wasn't thinking. I thought that was a joke, but it's not. It was a really good producer. God, I can't help but produce. People forget you're a producer. PGA, give him a ring. But how about you? Are you going to sing? No, Josh, no, I'm too shy. I couldn't. I couldn't. Go ahead. I don't know. I just think that maybe someday. No, I don't know. We'll see what happens. I'm mostly invested in coming to your shows, hanging out with you, following you around the country. Me too. I'll be at for the tour every night. I'm invested in doing set visits with you. Yes, come on over. Meeting the gang.

21:12Come on over, baby. Going to your premieres. Yes. Reading my tickets. Oh, I'm in the overflow room. That's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all right. I'll see Caleb at the party. I'm putting you in the overflow room. That's okay. You'll get your pass at the end. It's not the party pass. I will tell you, there's only been one time. There's only been one time that someone has asked me to come to their show, like their concert. and I've come and then I realized that I didn't have the special pass that they just like GA'd me and I was like I have one of those too and I'll say off air what it was because it's so funny but I can't put it on the record yeah I can't put it on the record tell me off air what it was but please remind us Chance off air God I love to do this stuff to tantalize the viewer oh they hate it they hate it they're not into it at all but don't forget we're charming yeah well your charm has lifted my king absolutely it has not fallen take a bath what's mine is yours.

22:01Take a bath in my charm. Oh my gosh, we haven't even told... IMDB charm meter, mine's rising. Theodore Charmer over here. General Theodore Charmer. We haven't even told the listeners about our beautiful day together that we had. Oh, the one in the park with our plus ones. I loved your plus ones. Your gorgeous, beautiful, lovely boyfriend who I connected with on a soul level. Which Chance brought up. Is now the time to drop it or that's something for later? I'll read this. because we did this as a bit last time right josh sharp's personal life has developed yeah for years the only thing on my wikipedia under personal life was read the first sentence sharp is openly gay and he enjoys reading yes openly gay enjoys reading i didn't know this but chance found there's an addition now so now josh's josh's personal life reads as such sharp is openly gay citation he enjoys reading citation chance you know what the citations are one of them is i I think talking to Z-Way on Instagram Live and deep COVID.

22:59Unreal. Yeah. And now there's a new one with a new citation. He is in a relationship with performer Blake Daniel. Blake! Hard launch. 11 and a half years in. And we're hard launching. We're hard launching Blake. And he is a performer. Don't forget. I just love Blake. Replaced Gideon Glick in Spring Awakening. Of course. To great acclaim. To great acclaim. No, we had a good time. You brought your gorgeous boyfriend and I brought, of course, my friend Liam. I loved Liam. Liam is special. We're in the DMs being friends. Liam's a special boy. he's a special boy album coming out soon in the next half a year-ish I think I don't know the exact days and a great straight one of our greats not to make everything about your alphabet but it's essential everything is about your alphabet and people who don't think so are fucking weird sort of first day of like and of course we could do it on this show first day of like the crew I was like everybody what's your alphabet and then after we did it we were like everybody feels cool about that right that wasn't like an HR thing we liked that and everybody was like yeah we liked that yeah that was nice it was nice to be like you know uh my name's this and i'm a b you know just everybody getting their alphabet out there was really nice imagine we were like and safe space if it's s to be clear no worries you're outnumbered vastly but we we want to know we want to celebrate you for being s i can't imagine you're also a ally and maybe a asexual i don't know we'll see i can't imagine working on the josh sharp show and being upset that you were astrosexuality absolutely and and you know we're in theater more firmly we left the guanus you know comedy canal yeah and now we're in the equity space yeah and there's a lot of she they's yeah who are stage managing in the world you know what i mean like the world of theater is lesbian she they's yeah of course bisexual she they's run theater the city runs on their work if that if god forbid that bicycle gets a flat tire absolutely these shows will not go on the stages will be dark so even if i was trying to like find a straight guy to stage manage me.

24:53Yeah. It's like, sweetie, in this town? You couldn't. You couldn't. And God help you, so now you have to rely on the Brooklyn Bridge. And you defy God. An AC would fall on your head that day. I'm saying. You know what I mean? If that Brooklyn Bridge bike lane is not open, your show is not going on. Say that, mama fish. The she-theys need to get over to work. Your population is mostly she-theys, and I feel like you've got more than one stage manager listening to this. I bet you have triple digits she-they stage managers. Oh, yeah. And they won't be in the comments because they don't do that. They don't have time.

25:23They're listening in the wings. They're calling cues on Waitress in Bridgeport, Connecticut. You know what I mean? They got cues to call on Waitress at the Pantages. The closest they'll come to commenting is when they see me in public, they will do this. Back down. It's one eye contact, big eyes, opening of the mouth, close, back down. That is the closest they will come to commenting. Well, that's beautiful. That's all we need. That's all we need. As a performer, that's all I want is big eyes and avert your gaze. Beautiful. Really, really beautiful. I do love a she, they. I do love a she, they.

25:59They are probably the biggest part of my concern. They're what's going to carry the swing states for me. Absolutely. When I run, they're what's going to carry Michigan. They're going to get me over. And are you prepared to announce? Well, I am 30, Josh. And there will be another election in a couple years that I won't be eligible for. Never too early, though. The one after that, I am eligible. And was that a Conor Ratliff bit? Yes. Where he started running for president because he was 35. It was so funny. He is so funny. Also, people need to put respect on Conor Ratliff. Conor Ratliff is one of the funniest living people.

26:28Let me say something that will mean nothing to almost anyone. And yet I feel it needs to be on the record. It'll mean a lot to these two guys. Because, you know, he's a Missouri boy. Well, yes. So the way the UCB theater worked is that you would, before you got a run for your sketch show, you would do what was called a spank. And that was like a 6 p.m. show that was like an audition show. You do it one time early and that's what you would do in front of a crowd for them to decide, like, do we give this a run or not? But then there was something sort of between a spank and a run where it's like if you were an established performer who maybe was like, I don't even know if I'm running this, but I just want to try it.

27:03They would give you a slot called the workout. And it was like maybe at seven or something. And maybe you were trying it for a run, but it's more like, you know, you just deserve theater space to work on something whether or not you want to run and we'll give you the early slot. So people would use it for all sorts of things that they were working out. Connor, for years, used the workout slot to do a show where he would physically work out on stage. And he would do a 30-minute workout, like Jane Fonda style, but Connor doing it. And then he would always have two backup people. And it was often me or Aaron Jackson or Darcy Gardner.

27:41We were the three that got called in. A murderous row of backup dancers. And when I say we didn't speak a word and we were just in back mirroring whatever he did. And it was like one of the most creatively fulfilling things I've ever did. Like an in joke on an in joke for an already niche crowd. Yeah. And he would just do that. But that's what Connor is good at. These kind of things that he's like playing for his crowd hard. The number of things you were so deep in reference. Like the number of things you have to know to understand how funny that is. It's just insane. That's a Mad Lib where every proper noun is like who?

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28:14Yeah. What? Yeah. You know what I mean? But if you get even two-thirds of them, that's funny. Yeah. That is so funny. Connor Ratliff is so funny. All my little college comedy buddies, Chance Included and I, we used to, anytime we could come to New York, we would see a Connor show. Anything he was in. Arguably the greatest living improviser. Love. There's like four or five other names you could say, but Connor's one of them. Adore that guy. I would try to listen to an episode of 12 Hour Day, his podcast. Oh, with J.D. Amato, who I also love. Yeah. Hilarious. One of my old school people that we met when we were UCB students.

28:47Really crazy. Anyway, Connor rules. Connor's been in these streets doing the work. Connor does rule. Really, really funny. I mean, that's probably to me one of my favorite things. You know what I had the other night? Friday night, I... Sex with my wife. Yeah. Josh, how did you know that? Well, she texts me. Yeah. She's been frustrated. She's been frustrated. Well, we fixed that on Friday night. You've been so busy. No. My wife does not get touched. Samantha Samantha with a T thank you Samantha Samantha hi Ron

29:22I no I left I filmed I left set I went directly to a show at the bell house to watch my friends and they said Caleb Bunchie do a set and I said no I couldn't I'm so shy and I haven't prepared anything they said Caleb please do a set I said okay on the late show and I did a set and I had a great time and the audience was lovely and I hadn't done a show in a minute since I filmed the special actually which was a very stressful version of doing a show. And all the shows before that were stressful versions of doing a show. So it was the first time I'd really just been on stage to have fun in a minute.

29:48And I had one of those nights that you have in comedy every once in a while. Maybe other people have them more often than I do. I don't know. Where the fog kind of clears and you can just look around at all these. I mean, it was such a great show. It was like Joe Sunday, Asha Ward. Love. Esther Fallick. Love. And it was Mary Beth Brunen-Holmes. It was their show. It was Carly Kane. Come on. It was an incredible show and now I'm feeling bad that I might have forgot someone. Oh, Jared Goldstein was on it as well. Literally every single person is perfectionist. I know. And it was like, and everyone was so funny and so great.

30:17And good casting, can we say. Truly good casting. And I don't just mean like demographically, I mean comedically. Like a well-cast show where those are people who are uniquely good at the thing they do. Yeah, different styles. And Jared was there and was so funny. He's in town right now. And it was just one of those moments where the fog around everything that is doing comedy cleared a little bit. And I just looked around and watched all my friends do killer sets in front of a hot audience. And I was like, this is the most special thing in the world. I had a version of that and I can't decide if this is tacky to say but we're just going to say it and then if afterwards we feel bad about it you know snip snip but the shows have been great so far but because it is like theater but it is also sort of stand up like something Sam and I are talking about a lot is like how much to be a stand up and how much to be an actress and some of the stand up like talent is like I can work the room in a way you can't always in theater also in that theater because I have a giant screen and it's small I can see every single motherfucker's faces.

31:11Yeah. In a way, I don't necessarily need to. But it's like, so I'm like very in the room with you. And so we can sort of like, you know, feel the energy. It's like a little witchy, whatever. So they've all gone well, but they have like very different energies sometimes. And when I say the one we did the other week when we were in previews was like the, there have been many that were like, damn, that one was firing. Hell yeah. Insanely good. But this one we walked off and I was like, well, it'll never get better than that. Yeah. Like that's as good as performing is. Like the crowd was with me the whole time and the energy was electric and some like unique, like of the moment in the room things happened.

31:48And I was in my absolute bag. And then I went down there and all the producers were there in a way where I was like, usually one of y 'all come, not all of y 'all come. And then they were like, you crushed. And I was like, dude, we crushed. That's the show. And they went, good news. That was the night the Times was reviewing us. And when I say for theater producers, that's like sports. They're all like chest bumping me. and truly the part that's tacky about saying this and trust i don't literally give a shit yeah the times did not like dicks the musical like i don't care they might write a shitty review yeah i totally am fine with that i actually think most of if your art is getting good reviews uniformly like look in the mirror some questions i like shit that like dicks got a pan in the times and a rave in the post and i think that is so funny so they might hate it but just the feeling of being like it felt like sports but for she they's yeah where we were all like we were like hugging each other and chest bumping yeah and it was like not only was it just like also it was like mostly fun to do that show for the other 198 people like we all walked off being like this is as good as it is to do this what a like beautiful feeling and that then on top they're like and you won the big game yeah yeah yeah and you hit the game winning shot literally it felt like that it felt like i hit a buzzer beater well because there's just these there's these moments in your career when you do creative stuff that you do want to rise to the occasion just to see how much juice you can squeeze out of the thing you've been working on and it's rare that everything lines up that you have the great night they show up the way they were supposed to everyone agrees that it was great so that whatever comes out of those people coming whether it's good or bad you know that you gave the best version of it for the thing like just to feel so at peace i think is what it really is that's what it really is and again the tacky part is but i don't think we need to cut this i think i feel okay about saying this but the tacky part is um of course you may now look at the times and it will be mid and be like energy was off and then you're like huh but what's true is like all that really matters about the shit we're doing is how it feels to us and the people who made it and how it feels in the room to the people we made it for yeah you know what i mean so it's like at the end of the day it's like we all know those of us who were there on that night like damn that was special you know and so when you have that sort of feeling it's like oh my god this is why we do this yeah and it's mostly it's about just like trusting our own instincts as you know performers and being like i'm trying to do the thing that makes me feel good that feels most true and blah blah blah and then when that also syncs with their energy and you're like look at all of us sort of on the same page like riding this ride together yeah girl come on that's why we do this it's so good and it's also and it is communal it's like i i do believe i have to sort of like do what i do not for them but it's like but when they're fucking with it in the right way We are like all doing this thing together.

34:27It is witchcraft. Yeah. And it's hard because there's a lot of different like inputs that come at you all the time. I've honestly felt that way about this show where I'm like, I think we who are making this podcast know exactly what it is, which is that we're in the room. We feel special about everyone that we bring in. But it's hard because there's like feedback, you know, like sometimes people will be like, sometimes people will be like, oh, I don't like when the musicians come on. They bore me. Or I don't like when you talk, when you talk too much inside baseball with comedians. Or I don't like, like people have different things that they do or don't want.

34:52They're bringing a musician on actually after all this inside baseball. So this is going to be a rave episode. Or I'll bring on a fucking, you know, like the two activists I've had on. And that feedback will sometimes reach you. Literally my favorite episodes, to be clear. But I'm like, I just think the thing you're talking about, like when you're creating anything, even if something is like silly and not a cool off-Broadway theater show as a podcast, is like, yeah, you just got to feel good about it and know that you like what you're doing and be like, yeah, this is going to find in different fragments of this, will find the people it needs to find.

35:23The other thing, and I hope this is inside baseball, but in a sort of way that I think is applicable to every single thing that y 'all she days are doing. But I have become increasingly convinced too that it's like you have to be process over product, by which I mean, of course, you need to be like, I believe in this thing. I want, I stand by it. I feel good about it. But it's like the building of it and the making of it. Like to me, the coven building of this theater piece where it's just like, I want people, I want to go out of my way to like show love and gratitude to these people we've assembled.

35:52And I want people who are like feeling good to be in this room making something. And that has felt true this whole time in a way where we're all sort of like squeezing each other's hands being like, this is like one of those rare ones where we're sort of all like in love with each other and feeling good about it. And like, that's all that matters. It's like, who fucking cares? But also that part makes the product better. But it is just like, how do you make it that you're like lovingly, you know, like giving all of yourself to all the other people you're collaborating with and trying to be open for that to come back and just all of you leave at the end of the day being like wasn't it fun to do that together yeah it's like yeah great that's like all it is that's so beautiful i do think that's the thing you have to like put as your north star that's really beautiful i want to drop that yeah i do because that sounds really special i abuse my staff and i would just and they're both shaking their heads right now yes because they they go through hell and back but i'm now thinking that maybe i should do it your way where it's actually love and gratitude because i do i hit and i yell Just try it.

36:47I'm going to try it, maybe. I'm going to try. Although we've gotten results out of hitting and yelling. That's the problem, you know, because it's like, of course, it sounds nice to be at Kumbaya. We play the guitar. We sing the songs. But it's like, I hit and I yell and we make money, you know? So I don't know. But it is hard. You are picking up the checks. So maybe I should do that. Maybe I should hit and yell. I'm making three figures a week. I hit and yell. But everyone in this room, sans you, who works on this show, they drive Bugattis, you know? True. When it's good, it's good. When it's good, it's good.

37:15A Bugatti in New York City. What a choice. They street park because they know I'll get them another one. A Bugatti Bugatti Bugatti. And you can't drive it down 14th anymore. That's a busway. It's a busway. They're doing too many bypasses. Damn de Blasio. Damn de Blasio. I'm still mad about that. I used to take my Bugatti and cruise 14th Street just back and forth. I know it. From C to 10th. I know it. That was what. actually fuck all that gay shit I was saying about being nice to she they's when you work with them. Thank you. What life is about is being behind the wheel of that Bugatti. Yes. Starting in Alphabet City and cruising until you hit meatpacking.

37:53Yes. And then back again. Yes. All day every day man. Yes. And then I drive back to Brooklyn. I don't pay a single fucking surcharge to get into the island or leave the island. No. Damn de Blasio's fucked everything up. Yep. And then Eric Adams is trying to fix it but they're not even going to give him enough time. They're not even letting my guy Eric Adams have a chance. They're not going to give him enough time. Y 'all tithe to Eric Adams right now. Tithe to Eric. What's his party platform again? It's like. It's so insane. I keep seeing signs for it. Unfortunately, some of the businesses I love in my neighborhood are big Eric Adams people.

38:27Sure. But his thing is like coming through, showing up or something. Like what is it? Get stuff done. Get stuff done. Yeah, sure. It's like, gee, what? Sure, darling. Name it. He is camp though. I mean, I will say some of the videos he puts out really crack me up. Oh, absolutely. I can't wait for him to be gone and just to be popping into the cellar. A video guy. You know what I mean? Y 'all are lucky tonight. Former Mayor Eric Adams is here. Oh, I love it. That'd be great. What do you think is the best? Lisa Traeger getting bumped because Eric Adams wants to do 30. And Lisa would love that. She would be very calm about that.

39:01Josh, what do you think is the best thing that could happen to you this week? This week? Like, what is the best thing that could happen? In general. like the best singular thing you can imagine for me because of this week and how tired i've been one i want opening to be slay yeah i want to have a great time at the after party but then i have to do a show the next day so i'm like for like tuesday wednesday i want to get enough rest that by like thursday friday i can do this show and in the day i'm like i can go on a big bike ride yeah like that's what i want is to sort of be back i want to go on a big bike ride yeah waking up and being like i have the energy to bike around my beautiful city and then go do my show yeah that's what I want.

39:36Where are you going to bike? Are you going to wait? Are you going to back it up to the show so you can bike to the show? No, because I don't like to bike at night. Yeah. Same. You know what I mean? So I don't do that. So I couldn't bike in and bike home after. So really what I like to do is either, because I'm in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, either go down to Prospect Park, do a couple laps, come back. Incredible, by the way. Or go north along the river to Astoria Park. Those are my two favorite bikes. Huge. Or biking to Reese is fun, but half of it is awful. Yeah. Once you get sort of to the coast, there's like a bike highway that's cute as hell.

40:10Before that, when I say you're like, damn, am I in St. Louis? You're like biking on like six lane highways. You don't like it. Literally. Parts of Queens I've never heard of. Yeah. And I love Queens and I've lived here 16 years, but they're inventing new parts for you to bike through on your way to Reese. And they're not inventing it with the idea of you biking through it. I'll tell you that. Oh, sweetie, it is adversarial. They don't like it. The relationship between you and them Bugattis. Yeah. Them street parked Bugattis. And those 16 wheeler Bugattis. Hey, everybody, we are Street Park Bugatti.

40:36All we need to get started. That's so good. The bike highway on the west side of Manhattan that I took when I left you, the most recent when we hung out at the park, I love it. Wonderful. When it's just a separate lane away from the road, and all it is is cyclists and the occasional person standing there for no reason, and you just go move. Yeah, what's your play? When they're standing there? Because I got a bell, and I ding. When it's a person standing, I bell. Because I'm in the theater. I can't use my voice for that. No, you're saving. The only time I scream, I did it yesterday I was biking, is when a car is just turning into the bike lane.

41:12I do not slow down. I just start yelling at the top of my lungs, no! Well, sometimes people share those videos and they're like, look at this asshole. And it's like one of the bikers who's sort of aggressively going through the bike lane like yelling at everyone. And he's being an asshole about it, but I'm always like, well, he's right. Yeah. Also, by the way, cyclists are, I've always said, the cyclist community are at the very top of the being right but making your case uh unlovable by being an asshole about a community they're at the top of that community they are they're correct and they are not listened to because they're fucking douchebags however spend one day biking through your city and tell me you don't feel the same when you realize it's coming at all sides like cars obviously but pedestrians because they're just like not aware of you and because you're not a car yeah they're sort of like walking blindly in front of you and i'm like baby i hit you and we both are suffering yeah they're leaving shit in the lane they're often looking to see if a car is coming and then not clocking me as a bike coming.

42:02And then I'm having to throw on brakes to not hit them. And I'm like, this doesn't end well for us either, darling. Mind you, there's a bike behind me, so now I'm throwing on brakes. They're almost running into me. Everything's bad when that happens. Oh, everything's bad. I don't yell at people, though. I think maybe once or twice I've yelled at a person. You know, you bike in Copenhagen, you bike in Amsterdam, you go, well, this is how it could be. Yeah. You know, we can't be neoliberal here, putting it at individual actors. It's systems. Thank you. It's systems. Thank you. That was powerful.

42:27And that's what I'm here to say. that was powerful your listeners like this well we've done inside baseball and now policy deep leftist policy about about bike claims what now we need to do is have you talk about an album you've got coming out damn but y 'all remember he a run i'm just jk like we were coming out so we came out swinging and i think your people i'm not in the comments of your thing as much so you know i think they like our vibe me and you together yeah like the jokes of course but i think they see there's a certain you know energy there's a kinship and you can tell by the number of times that both of us are speaking that's kinship i mean for us as gay and southern one of the comments that did get to me not about your podcast about somebody else's they were like oh i just feel like josh like talks a lot and i'm like well i'm the guest yeah you think they invited me here to not talk yeah what would you have my friend loves when i talk trust yeah so you need to get on board yeah get on board yeah get on board with josh i'm on board with josh talking that's why i have i'm on board with Caleb.

43:23And also, two gay men can speak at the same time and both hear each other. It's sort of one of our special talents. Do you know what I mean? Gay men are really good at talking over, and yet I just did it to you, and I heard you say, that's what people don't understand. We're just like, we're on it. It's a superpower forged from God given to us. It's four-dimensional. It's given to us by God, and we of course foster and culture it, but it was given to us directly from God. Absolutely. Y 'all are down on the ground. I'm up in outer space. You know what I mean? You're so 2000 and late. Yeah. Really?

43:56Absolutely. If you think about it. And I'm 2025 re-elect Eric Adams on the Get Stuff Done line. Get Stuff Done. You should run. Run, run, run, run. A turkey trot. There you go. I found it. Yeah. I have a request keep the embarrassing story where I confess to being excited to learn the times was there but I want you to cut the part in which I stutter over 5k so it goes right from run-a and it goes directly to turkey trot turkey trot yeah I you've certainly never watched me do the ads on this show but the number of times I just completely fuck up an ad and go leave it in I'm human I've just stopped I don't edit them anymore I'm like they need to know that stutter was humiliating and they need to know.

44:41This is who I am. Rosemary's granddaughter, spitting image of my father. Rosemary's granddaughter? Do you know this song? No. I am. I for some reason thought it was maybe a joke on Rosemary's baby. No. No. Go ahead and sing. Rosemary's granddaughter, spitting image of my father. Wait, what song is this? And when the day is done, my mama's still my biggest fear. Because now it's feeling familiar. Who I Am by Jessica Andrews, One Hit Wonder. Sorry, Jessica. I don't mean that derogatorily. I think having a hit is a beautiful gift. Are you kidding? And so to have one hit is like most people have zero hits.

45:12Can we actually talk about that? Well, there are songs, and I'm about to mention one that's not a one hit wonder, but there's songs like, like Tears for Fears, Everybody Wants to Rule the World. When that song comes on, I go, if I wrote this in 1980 whatever, I could be like, I'm done. Creatively I did it. And I could wake up every day, hear that song on the radio and go, well, life well lived. Like there's some where I'm like, are you kidding? Yeah. One hit, one hit is all it takes. One hit is all it takes. I just think, like, respect. No, we use one hit wonder as, I think sometimes culturally it's seen as an insult.

45:47Think about the number of people. You're ignoring the word wonder. We should be in awe. Wonder. Wonder's the big part. We should have wonder at these people. Because they had a hit. We should fall upon our knees in the glory that is this one hit. By the way. You know what I mean? In deep awe, in deep. We should be overcome. We should be speaking in tongues. 99.7 % of the world's population lives their entire lives without having a hit when bitch by Meredith Brooks comes on fall to your knees and speak in tongues what am I a bitch a lover a mother a child I mean who else could have no one did that's what matters no one did I feel really passionately about that and I got very worked up and I had pizza for lunch so my tummy's just a little upset but I'm just I'm rife for something to go wrong I see that.

46:37And I can't have any more caffeine today, I told myself. And yet I'm about to do a caffeine challenge with you for our sponsor, Red Bull XXL. I wish Red Bull would sponsor with us. We're going to chug caffeines. Red Bull advertise with us. Red Bull advertise with us. I've been getting into Red Bull for the first time in my life. I've never had one. Well, here's the thing. As someone who doesn't do powders at the club, because one, there's all this shit going around. Two, I got the love of Christ. What more energy do I need than the love of Christ? God is in you. Yes. I had it under a bushel. No.

47:09Yes. And most of all, I got that deviated septum. It's not worth it. Right. So I have half a Red Bull. I'm like, why are any of y 'all doing cocaine? Yeah. My heart is thumpa thumpa. I can be up till seven on half a Red Bull. It's working like that. Oh, okay. So, you know, once a month when I'm at the club, half a Red Bull. I've never had one. And I think maybe I would benefit from it. I would like to develop a nasty drug problem. I think for a while and I don't mean to trivialize which era yeah I think because I'll say it's hard to imagine being in my 80s and not being like let's give heroin a go right I mean heroin is the enticing one come on heroin's the enticing one not now not now it's not the right time you gotta be on set at four in the morning I'm coming in I'm coming in doing heroin now I mean it just won't work and this is not to trivialize anyone who had a drug problem of course but for me I do think I live so I just think my life I could benefit from it artistically from a big problem.

48:03And there's nothing trivial about it. And even when there is, remember, we are the jesters. I'm a court jester. It's actually our job to trivialize. And there's power in trivializing. I am clown. Your issue is when you go, don't trivialize that. Oh, that has a negative connotation to you. Yeah. For me, trivializing is one of the highest forms. Yeah. You know? Thank you. Are we not clown? Are we not jester? You've changed my perspective. Do we not have an essential role in the culture? Teehee and ha ha. I posted recently. To look at the culture from afar and go, well, that's a little funny. There's something a little off about that.

48:37This is our ministry. For listeners only, you can't see how beautifully Josh just emphasized his point. Sort of, let me see. Listeners, tell us in the Spotify comments if you get what I'm about to do. This is our ministry. Yeah. That was that. I think there's a silent version of ASMR that just happened. You heard nothing, but you could feel it. You felt energetically. You felt energy. I bet there are people just listening right now who will inherently do what we just did and then come over to the YouTube to say, I got it right. I actually bet, this is witchy, I bet we can send them things with our mind.

49:08Yeah. Wait, I'm going to think of a number. I was going to do the exact same thing. Let's both think of a number. Well, I'll do it first. Okay. Or do you want to go first? I just want to actually think of it and send it to them, and I want you, the listener at home, to say out loud what you think it is, and I'm going to say what it is. I bet a lot of them are going to be right. Are you going to give any parameters, a number between? Usually people do that just to help the brain. No, I trust your sheathes. Fuck. They don't need that shit. Fuck. Okay. first or second? I want to go second and I want to just...

49:35Okay. I'm not going to make... I'm about to make no noise for like 10 seconds. Yes. In that 10 seconds and then I'm going to go... It won't be 10 seconds by the way. It'll be probably like 5. It's going to be 10 seconds. Now that you did that to me, it's going to be 10 seconds and keep it in. And then at the end of that, I'm going to go say the number and you in your home or your car or at the gym or during sex with your husband, say the number and then I'll tell you what it was okay so okay and here I'm sending it

50:18hold on Josh hold on keep your eyes closed I want to signal to Chance now what I think it is just so there's proof on the record of what I was thinking of eyes are closed and now I'm keeping my eyes closed. Do you feel like the... And now I feel the listener can say out loud what you know the number is because I've sent it to you. Say the number now, listener. Now. And the number that you received from me was 69. Oh! What'd you think? I'm scared to say. That's okay. Because it's so far off. What, do you want to try and guess? Hold on, I'm thinking of a number. No, now you do it. Now you do it.

50:54Okay, I'm thinking of a number. Send it to them. And this is for listeners only. God, y 'all thought Inside Baseball Musicians was bad. Listener. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Be careful what you wish for! Listeners, this is for only you. If you're viewing, you might have already seen. Ghost of Christmas Gay coming to haunt your ass. I'm sending you a number, listeners only. Viewers, you've already seen because I flashed it to chance. Listeners, I'm sending you a number. You now know that it is not 69. I want you to, listeners, say now my number. Say now. Do you want to guess? Okay. Your number was...

51:31454. It was 13. Wow. Wow. But you have to admit. Right. I mean, take a look. You have to admit. Because 13, 69, and 454. 13 times 69 is 454. I bet. Run that back. I bet. Run that. Chance, run those numbers. Run that back. There it is. He just showed us. That's what that is. 13 times 69. Yeah. 454 look at that that's crazy wait that's crazy show them

52:03trying to gas trying to gaslight my audience that's crazy but that says 454 we can't enough of these people have been in grippy socks josh sharp tada.com we can't play these games on them it's gonna hurt these people they're unwell i actually would pay money to know how many of my listeners have been in an institution. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. I know it because a lot of my friends have. So I'm like, I can't even imagine what I'm sending out. I don't want to go there. Not when I'm in previews. I have tech. I can't. I can't. I can't right now, Caleb. I have tech. Wait, I have a segment for you.

52:43Segment time. What's so true to you, Josh Sharp? Oh, yeah. Oh, God. I really wasn't prepared for that. Do you want to think about that while I do true or false with you? Yeah. Okay, I'm giving you time. I do. Joshua Cassandra Sharp, I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said is true or false. And if you get 10 or more correct, and you didn't even know I was going to do this because this is not the normal one. I'm going to do a different prize. If you get 10 or more correct, I am going to pay for two random listeners of this show to come see Ta-Da in New York City.

53:14This is amazing. But if you don't get them right, I'm not paying for those tickets. I'll buy two tickets for listeners. and you can find out how to pick them. You and Chance can work that out. Okay. But I will pay for two people to come see your show in New York City, okay? Understood. Okay. Guy Fieri is 6 '8". False. False, he's 5 '10". On Gilligan's Island, it was never revealed if Gilligan was his first or last name. True. That is true. More people live in South Carolina than North Carolina. False. False. It takes Uranus four years to orbit the sun once. False. False, 84 years. Miss Piggy and Yoda are played by the same person.

53:50True. True, Frank Oz. The largest statue in the world is the Statue of Unity in India. True. True. Ant queens live to be 30 years old. Ant queens? Like the queens of an ant colony? False. True. Tom Hanks was born in Canada. False. False. Meg Ryan, can you tell I'm working on not giving that away with my voice anymore? Yeah. Meg Ryan. But I'm fucking crushing. Nailing it. Meg Ryan has an asteroid named after her. Well, I just, from a place of deep hope, true. True. The Book of Mormon opened on Broadway in 2008. Oh, God. False? False, 2011. Yeah. Nana means mother in Italian. False? False, grandmother.

54:38The phone number for Empire Today is 800-588-2300.

54:48800 588 That part's definitely true 2300 God, I'm gonna go false True Damn 2300 Empire I was like, is the 2300 Are you tricking me with the 2300? That's okay 2300 Empire That's why Zebras have six toes on each foot False False, just one Nickelback, perform the song Lips of an angel false false was hinder smallville ran for 10 seasons true it's true jesus christ 13 joshua cassandra's sharp i'm so proud of you okay you guys figure out how to find those listeners this is huge and i'll and i'll buy some tickets yeah what would be the most fun way to do it chance maybe we leave two at the box office and just say uh whoever gets to the box office first and yells fucking fuck your face or whatever.

55:39No, we can't have people yelling, especially not something like that. What about whoever gets the most likes on this episode? That's true. Whoever posts a comment on the YouTube and gets the most likes. But what if they don't live in New York? Well, that's their problem. Get to New York. Well, then they've got two tickets to give to whoever. Yeah, then they can give it away. Or, what a great reason for a trip. You got two free tickets to the hottest ticket for summer. To the New York Times sure-to-be-hot-reviewed show. Ta-da. New York Times is like, like dicks, it sucks. Much like dicks. Josh Sharp does not have it.

56:07They declare. We're calling it. We've seen enough. Josh at the 538 calls it. Josh Sharp doesn't have it. They call it. Nate, what's his name? Nate Silver. Yeah. He calls it. He calls it. They implicate me as well. These two don't have it and they talk at the same time too damn much. Yeah. They should take a more cotillion classes. God, we all should. God, wouldn't it be nice? Some of these girls need manners. Yeah, they really do. You know what I'm having a craving for? What? I want to do a voicemail with you. Chance and I were just saying we don't do the voicemails anymore. Put your headphones on.

56:39Yeah, let's do one. Hello, Caleb and guest. So I just wanted to call in and let you guys know that I got married a few days ago. And for our wedding menu, we had chicken wings and they were delicious. They were smoked for hours and deep fried. And I just want to know, what's your ideal wedding? What is your guys' ideal weddings look like? What's the food? What are you wearing? What's your partner wearing? So let me know. Thank you. I know that's a big girl, by the way. I know that's a big girl. And I want to thank you for calling in, big girl. Thank you. I'll tell you my ideal wedding. What I want.

57:20Go. Okay, if I were to marry somebody who really cared about weddings, I would defer to them and do whatever they wanted. Okay? I do not like weddings. I don't want to be invited to a wedding. I do not want to come to your wedding. I'm sort of with you. Everybody thinks I'm doing a cool version of a wedding. You're not. or not. Unless you fully don't do it at all, you're not. That's the only cool wedding. Eloping is the cool wedding. You can't avoid being a part of the industrial wedding complex. I am begging you, if you are my close friend, and you are listening to this, Chance, please clip this.

57:48Do not invite me to your wedding. I don't want to come. I don't want to come, and everyone thinks they're the exception. I don't want to come to your wedding. I'm not fully there. I'll still go to some, but I just never, I don't buy that it's like ours is the fun one, but the exception is my brother's wedding. It was the fun one. I believe you. I don't want to come. I don't want to come to your wedding. I officiated my friend's wedding. Can I pitch why my brother's wedding was good? I loved it. Of course he's my brother, so I'm biased. Tell it. One, he's a musician, and so he got some of his incredibly talented musician friends, many of which I think you know.

58:17Yes. Rachel Price of Lake Street Dive at all, to do a little pre-concert. By the way. As just like a, come on, girls, let's play some music. And I hope he got up and did Louise, by the way. Say that. Because you know I want to hear Louise. Also, let's clock MIPSO Farewell Tour. Let's clock that. This summer, fall. please see the band Mipso. You're going to be going with me in Brooklyn. I already know it. You're going to be my plus one. Actually, I have something to say to you off pod about that. Also, because he sells fancy wine to fancy restaurants, he got a bunch of cool restaurants that don't cater weddings to be like, well, we'll do yours.

58:49You weren't doing the normal wedding food. It was people who were like, let's just like... It did actually sort of feel like a dinner party. Unfortunately, it's the rare exception where I was like damn you just have to truly adamantly work with only people who've never done a wedding before in their lives yeah my friend recently I was telling him how much I hate weddings because he had had one and he didn't invite me and I thanked him for it and he said well that's just you have such a wrong opinion because it's the only time you can get all your friends together and I said I don't need that I don't need all the friends from the different walks of my life to get together and then you know they're not kind of wanting to do I'm like I don't need that I don't know what the you say that as if it's like an inherently understood good thing.

59:30Anyway, all this to say, the wedding I would do is this. Me and my partner would go to the courthouse with whatever amount of witnesses we need to have. They would ideally not be family, just two random people from our lives, whoever's free. Maybe I called somebody and say, what are you doing right now? They say nothing. I say, come to City Hall, we need witnesses. We get married. Then we send a letter. It's John Cena. Yes. That's who you call. Yes. It's John Cena and Eric Andre from Netflix's little brother. And we send a letter to everyone we love that says, hey, we got married. Two months from now, we're throwing a party.

1:00:00Here's the date. No dress code, no gifts. Come if you want to. If not, you can buy us dinner sometime if you feel like it. Love you very much. Perfect. That is the perfect wedding. No notes. That's the perfect wedding. No notes. One party, no dress code, no gifts. If you don't come, we explicitly do not care. No notes. I love it. No notes. And that's it. By the way, my mom would get that letter. Everyone's getting the letter. It's across the board treatment with the letter. You going to throw a filter on the letter for your mom or give it to her all? I'm smoothing the letter. Okay. I'm smoothing mother.

1:00:27You've changed. Mother has smoothed. Mother has smoothed. What's your ideal wedding? No, it's that. It's literally that. It's like you got to just sort of not have a wedding and throw a party later. I've had several friends do that. That's the best way to do it. I like it. Respect to everyone in their weddings. I know it means a lot to you. I love you. I love you. But yeah, I think. I love you. Shout out to all my friends who have gotten married. This is, you know, this is talking to your straight friends about, you know, baseball or whatever. I love that you love that shit. Yeah. It is pastoral and boring to me.

1:00:56but I love that you love it. Specifically baseball, by the way. Yeah, exactly. Specifically baseball. I went to a WNBA game, got my life. You know what I mean? Some sports are good. Yeah. Well, you know, we're theater people. Basketball has narrative. Yeah. Baseball does not. Football does. I'm telling you football is, if you watch football with me, you'd be into it. I knew you were going to feel this way. I think soccer does, but football doesn't. Soccer? Soccer has a very avant-garde, fluid narrative. Soccer is a boring-ass sport. Energies shift on a dime. You have to be locked in. You haven't watched football, Joshua.

1:01:28I've watched it. It's a lot of standing around waiting to set up a play. There's too much pausing. You are sick. It's war. It's not narrative. It's war. You are sick. It's war. Soccer's a boring game for f***ing. I can't stand it. And of course the guys are cute, but that's what makes it so gay. Soccer is just a boring, lame, and I can't even talk to people from Britain anymore. Damn, again. Because half the time it's all they'll talk about. This is trivialized. You say this like it's a negative thing. I'm here standing soccer because it's for. That's what I love about it. Whereas your ass is like, oh, let me go down to the NFL arena where a bunch of alt-right oil billionaires have paid men of color to give each other concussions.

1:02:10Go ahead. Go ahead. I have internalized homophobia. I will never forget. I will never forget on this show when Alex English said something during his interview. And I said, well, what would you say to people that think that's maybe internalized homophobia? He goes, that's okay to have.

1:02:29Our culture can't self-loathe. We give it to so many other cultures. I said, tell him, Alex. There's so many cultures that have made self-loathing a part of their charm. Let gay people do it. Yeah. Oh, and that's okay to have is such a funny response to that accusation. And that's okay to have. That's okay to have. Yes. Yes. Ever heard of it? Next. What is so true to you, Joshua Sharp? Joshua Cassandra Sharp. So true to me is, and I don't know if everyone in this room is going to agree with me. We have to embrace summer. And by that, I mean, get outside and sweat. And sometimes people are like, oh, I'm so sweaty.

1:03:06It feels awful. That's your body working. You know, that's your body cooling you down. And there's a certain liberation in sort of giving up and going, you know what? I'm going to be sweaty and clammy and gross. And aren't we all? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, take a bath in the discomfort. Yes. Enjoy summer. Let your body sweat. and don't be mad about it. Do you know what I mean? A lot of people are like, I'm sweating. That's good. You would be so fucking hot if your body didn't have a natural way to cool you down, which is sweat. If you're going to be a summer girl, be a summer girl. I'm going to prescribe something to you, Josh.

1:03:38I want you to listen to the Annie DeRusso song, It's Good to Be Hot in the Summer. Because what you're talking about is a philosophy that she posited on her most recent album. I want all of you right now to go stream It's Good to Be Hot in the Summer by Annie DeRusso. I've been listening to it. I think that's the point. It's the point. And she specifically is talking about I'm done when it's 95 outside going in and turning the AC on 68. I'm sweating. I'm enjoying the summer. You just gotta. It's good to be hot in the summer. It's good to be hot in the summer. I agree. A visionary artist with a visionary message that completely aligns with what you're saying.

1:04:08A visionary artist with a visionary message. Thank you. And that's what you are. I'm going to get Annie a last minute invite to opening. Would you please? Would you please? I'm sure they will love that. I'm sure your team will be like, oh, thank you, Josh. throwing people on at the last minute. We love it. Okay, well, I just love you. Is there anything you want to leave the people with? No. I feel blessed to be here. I love you dearly. We feel blessed to have you. Well, JoshSharptada.com if you're any other than the two got free tickets, that's where you're going to have to go. Make your case in the comments for why you deserve it.

1:04:38Make your case in the YouTube comments and we'll find a way to get a hold of you. And then Chance, I trust you to pick that, to do that. Chance will figure that out. He's good at that sort of stuff. I can't get in there. As the artist, it wouldn't be right for me to pick. No, it's not right. We need a third party. Yeah. Or else we're going to have a La La Land situation again. You know what else? You know what I mean? We need a clearinghouse. Does the show have its own Instagram? It does. It's another way we could have done it is by following the Instagram. Oh, that's true. But we're going to keep it on the comments.

1:05:05We're going to keep it on the comments. That's what we already committed to. But now that we're saying it while you're there. You know what? Follow Josh Sharp today. I'm not going to say Chance isn't going to look more favorably on you if he sees you follow that. Yeah. Chance maybe we do something on the social media Where we say we'll definitely Pick someone's voicemail If they prove to us that they follow Josh's show That could be helpful I love this We want to help We like to be part of the story And as I've always said look for the helpers You originated that I originated that on my children's television show Josh we love you thanks for doing it Bless you Bye sugar

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