In short
The episode mixes comedy and conversation about a persistent eye twitch (possible causes like stress, sleep, fatigue, eye strain, caffeine/water), plus a long personal story about Michael Cruz Kayne’s identity through sports and theater, childhood bullying, and parenting/relationships. It also includes banter about politics, “showbiz farms,” and late-night habits (SportsCenter twice, Clash Royale).
Guests
Michael Cruz Kayne (main guest; 47; strong, former football player—right guard and defensive line; knee surgery at 15; Kansas City Chiefs fan but grew up in New Haven, CT; later found theater). The hosts/other participants are not clearly identified by name in the transcript.
Key claims
Michael’s eye twitch has lasted weeks and triggers spiraling health fears. He believes sleep and stress may be involved, and jokes about “iTwitch” and covering it with Warby Parker glasses. He says sports gave him a sense of power and belonging; theater later became his refuge.
Notable examples
Bullying tied to eczema scars being falsely claimed as heroin; a girl spreading the rumor in fifth grade. He stole choose-your-own-adventure books during ballet. He forces his son to play NBA 2K. He jokes about sabotaging a child’s college plans.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOStarting the Podcast: Eye Twitch Discussion
1:30 to 5:00
The hosts introduce the podcast and discuss their eye twitches.
“I'd be happy for him to find some kind of a sports job.”
The Struggles of Chronic Conditions
5:00 to 10:00
They delve into the psychological effects of chronic conditions like eye twitching.
“We actually should put out like a five minute episode one week.”
Sports and Personal Identity
10:00 to 14:01
The hosts reflect on their relationships with sports and personal identities.
“I think my big note for you, if I could give you one, and you feel free to give me one too.”
Navigating Early Relationships and Identity
14:01 to 17:08
Explore personal stories of childhood friendships and challenges with identity.
“I kind of just like, I had like a little in with everybody.”
Football: A Source of Strength and Community
17:09 to 18:58
Discuss the role of football in providing a sense of belonging and self-worth.
“I was like, oh, I just want to, I want to win the objective.”
The Importance of Being Aware
18:59 to 20:08
Delve into the social dynamics of self-awareness and perception among peers.
“You can still, if you put your finger here and I bend my leg, you can still feel it pop from the surgery.”
Pop Culture and Political Commentary
20:09 to 21:30
Engage in light-hearted discussion about current events and popular figures.
“I'm anti, but if Claude can do that, If Claude can do that, I want it.”
Dreams of a Simpler Life
21:31 to 22:57
Reflect on the desire for a simpler lifestyle away from show business.
“You know, the first Trump administration was a lot of fun in that he hired a bunch of people that he knew seemingly nothing about.”
Reflections on Parenting and Honesty
24:43 to 28:00
Discuss the complexities of honesty in parenting and personal experiences.
“Like I don't mind them, but I'm not good like, I don't want to touch one.”
Honesty with Kids
28:00 to 29:15
Explore the complexities of honesty in parenting and sharing feelings.
“Are you telling your kids stuff like that?”
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Cultural Expectations of Masculinity
29:15 to 30:25
Discuss how cultural background influences emotional expression in boys.
“She's Filipina also, so there's a little, like, cultural there also of, like, we have it here too, of men have to be a particular way.”
Family Dynamics and Fabrications
30:25 to 31:43
Delve into family dynamics and the role of storytelling and lies.
“Like, we'll be out to dinner with my family.”
The Burden of Lying
31:43 to 31:58
Discuss the emotional toll of lying and pretending.
“If you could relate to the feeling of having like a...”
Childhood Lying and Consequences
35:40 to 37:31
Sharing experiences of lying as kids and the consequences faced.
“Okay, so you're done mocking me for having feelings?”
Authority and Rebellion
37:31 to 38:49
Discuss the challenges of authority figures and standing up to them.
“So my parents won't find out about that right now.”
Facing the Aging of Children
38:49 to 39:26
Reflections on the emotional challenges of children growing up.
“A lot of the time, I will be sitting with them, looking at pictures of them, and they'll be talking to me.”
The Economics of Parenthood
39:26 to 42:01
Weighing the financial implications of raising children.
“I'm actually enjoying you where you were supposed to be.”
Vasectomy and Family Planning
42:01 to 43:20
The hosts discuss the topic of vasectomies and family size considerations.
“So three would be cool I definitely don't want just one I'm of three Three good Three cool for you?”
Children's Aspirations and Education
43:21 to 45:28
The conversation shifts to the aspirations of the hosts' children, discussing their interests and education.
“Okay, I guess you'll just have the two then.”
Performing Arts and Schooling
45:29 to 47:24
The hosts talk about the challenges and successes in their children's education, particularly in the arts.
“If you're not talented, learn how to read.”
Love for Basketball
47:25 to 48:27
The hosts share their passion for basketball and the physical toll it takes on their bodies.
“I have hurt my knee, torn something in my knee, sprained my ankles really badly.”
Health Concerns and Medical Procedures
48:28 to 50:30
A detailed discussion about health concerns, including the importance of medical check-ups and procedures.
“but it's a really beautiful feeling that I wish I had about something.”
Aging and Self-Care
50:31 to 52:55
The hosts express their worries about aging and self-care practices, including hair loss.
“If you are so clearly the richest person at the table, you have an obligation to pay.”
Humor in Health Discussions
52:56 to 56:02
Light-hearted banter about health issues and the comedic aspects of aging and medical procedures.
“What's the other thing you're supposed to have?”
Discussion on Baldness and Facial Hair
56:02 to 57:00
Explore humorous takes on baldness and facial hair struggles.
“You know who talks about systems all the time is Asher Perlman.”
Goatee Story and Its Reactions
57:01 to 59:18
A light-hearted narrative about a goatee and the reactions it brings.
“I hadn't shaved in a while as my little rebellion against having had to shave for every day for weeks.”
A Game of True or False
59:19 to 1:03:20
Engage in a playful true or false game with quickfire questions.
“But I will have a perfect circle where there's no hair.”
Promoting Upcoming Projects
1:03:21 to 1:04:35
Cast members share their upcoming projects and invite audience engagement.
“I feel like maybe I might need a colonoscopy just to relax.”
Transcript
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1:22The season's most desirable menu has returned to Sweetgreen featuring fall's best dressed. Make your move. Order on the Sweetgreen app. Wave. I'd be happy for him to find some kind of a sports job. I bet you would. You want him to watch at SportsCenter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, get a job at SportsCenter. See if they'll give old dad a tour. I bet you get to take someone around the office every once in a while. Maybe you bring in old dad. Hey, give Pa a chance.
2:02Okay. What's going on? Podcast is happening. Yes, we just learned off camera, and maybe people will see it in this episode. I think it's kind of starting to go right now. Where's my camera? This one? Zoom. I have developed an eye twitch. Yeah. And you have one too? I have three weeks of eye twitching. What is going on? I don't know. Here are the things that it could be, people say. And people are loving to tell me what it is, by the way. Everyone's an expert on eye twitch. Yeah. Everyone has a PhD in... Well, what I love is you tell someone, like, oh, my eye's been twitching lately, and they go, you know what it is.
2:31Like, they love to tell you. 100 % they know. Like, their dad's like an eye twitch specialist. Absolutely. And they're like in the family business. Ocular musculature is their absolute specialty. They love to go, well, have you had water? Mm-hmm. Like, they love to pitch water like you've never heard of that. And can I say something? No one alive drinks more water than I do. I'm saying. I'm guzzling. I'm putting water away. I'm guzzling. Yeah, I'm absolutely pounding water. I don't drink alcohol. Yeah. I like water. I go to the bar. I have a water. I have a Diet Coke at worst. So there's no way that it's lack of water.
3:02Yeah. Could it be lack of sleep? Absolutely. Totally. I don't sleep. I got like 10 hours last night, though. You did? 10 hours last night. Is that a very rare occasion? Yes. I'm trying to do better now because of the eye twitch. Yeah, because I'm three weeks into the twitch, and I'm like, I'm ready for it to stop. It's really annoying. Yeah. I'm feeling like, I almost said suicidal, and that felt not true. I was like, actually, we shouldn't say that. It would be a rough loss to have to explain that to people, to be like, why did he do it? Like sometimes his eye twitch. Eye twitch can be really affecting though.
3:34People don't realize that. I think any chronic situation, like you don't really realize how bad it is until it's like, oh, now this has been happening for a month. Yeah. Anything for a month is bad. You know what I mean? You got a little scratch here. It's not a big deal. You're still scratching a month later. You're thinking about. You're thinking about ending it. Ending it. You're like, what if this is my new normal? What if my eye never not twitches again? Your brain is bouncing. You spiral out into an awful fantasy life where your eye is twitching at your grandson's bris or something. Why did I say that?
4:07Yeah. No, it really, every time anything happens to me, like if I get a sore throat, I go, the thing that stresses me out is not that it's happening now. I go, this is forever. 100%. I go, oh, this will never be, I'll never be well again. This is the beginning of the end. You're young. Oh, sure. So you're going to go through things that will change. You'll have little blips, but then you'll be better. I'm It's all Everything's happening to me My bones are decomposing Every single injury I have Is a permanent Like my Both my ankles My knees I play hoops I hoop it up Yeah You playing b-ball at all?
4:39No No My knees and ankles are good right now I'm constantly in pain Yeah What How old are you? I am 47 You're 47? Can you believe it? I did not know you were 47 And I look like this I did not know you were 47 You look great Yeah Oh my gosh You look spry Yeah We're canceling the podcast over now. Oh my god. Shut it down. That was so much fun talking to you, dude. This was a great episode. We actually should put out like a five minute episode one week. I think that'd be really funny. It's five minutes of interview and then it's all the ads. Just back to back to back. My eye is twitching now. That's most people.
5:11Is it? It's stopped. I don't see it. Yeah, mine comes and goes. I'm scared of the eye twitch. I fear every bad thing that happens to me. Yeah. Any small thing. Stub my toe. Anything. I go this is the beginning of the end. Yeah, for sure. Everything from here on out will stem from that and it will go downhill. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? That'll be like the butterfly effect that ripples through every single thing in your entire life. This sore throat is the three week notice before I find out that I have a disease that can't be cured. Yeah. I will. Everything that happens today is the last, the end of the week.
5:42I absolutely feel it. I have a sore throat, which means I have rickets. I don't know what rickets is. We have rickets. Which means I have like the milk sickness or something. And I'm done. Yeah. I'm sorry that I went back to iTwitch because I'm afraid that I will go back to it. And this will become, can I say it on the camera? The iTwitch episode. This episode brought to you by iTwitch. This is already the iTwitch episode. Yeah. And I want to tell you, I'm so... Warby Parker, that's eyes. Hello. Maybe there's a tie-in. Cover up your twitch with a big enough frame. Exactly. Warby Parker. Hey, is your eye freaking out?
6:10Warby Parker. Are you a fucked up freak with an iTwitch all the time? Here's a pair of glasses that might be able to cover that up. Why don't you obscure your face with some really goofy frames? Try Warby Parker. That is quite literally what I'm up to. Obscuring my face with some goofy frames. I'm keeping it silly, keeping people distracted from the iTwitch. Oh, my God. I'm scared of the iTwitch. Here we are. Time of our lives. I mean, really, what do you think is going on with the iTwitch? I'm not kidding. I'm really scared of it. It has to be stress, right? Are you stressed out? All the time.
6:37I don't think so. You don't think so? I mean, I guess it's either all the time or never. And I don't know. Right, right, right. Do you know what I mean? This is water, so to speak. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. Do you know how you feel? Oh, my God. What a good question. I think I know how I feel. I do too. Okay, like you, I always think I'm not stressed out. I'm not depressed. You know what I mean? Like I'm going to the therapist or I'm like, I feel bad. I feel bad. And the therapist is like, maybe you're depressed. And I'm like, no, that's not it. Yeah. That's not it. It's a nice idea, but not that.
7:06But maybe I'm pushing it all down and the eye twitch is like, it's coming out, baby. Yeah. I'm coming out. I don't know. It's possible. It's certainly possible. I think I either know exactly how I feel or I have no clue. Yeah. I agree. Does that make sense? I have a lot of confidence in my self-awareness that may be completely wrong. Yeah. People go, how are you feeling? And I go, fine. Yeah. And I mean that. Yeah. But what if I'm not fine? Yeah. I mean. What if the eye is twitching and he knows and I don't know? In your private moments, are you ever having a real dark freak out? You're ever having a spiraling daydream?
7:36Never. Never. I'm totally chilling. I don't know. Then maybe it's not that. Maybe it's the water thing. Maybe it's the water thing, but I'm drinking a lot of water. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm drinking too much salt. Water, sleep, stress. Yes, those are the ones that they say, right? That's the ones that a stranger on the street would say these things to you about an eye twitch. A dog will walk up to you and tell you. Yes. Anybody, it's like, there's like basically signs on the lamppost that say, if you have an eye twitch, sleep, water, stress. Yeah, rip off a little number, call this number.
8:02I'll tell you about your eye twitch. Don't think I'm stressed. I'm getting the same amount of sleep I've always gotten, which is not a lot. Yeah. Sure. Could it be that we've both been exposed to some kind of poison? Well, this is what I fear. Yeah. This is what I fear, and I fear it's forever. I feel like now I'll be eye twitch guy forever. Like eye twitch is kind of your thing. Causes. Eye strain, he says, looking at this thing like it's 100 miles away. Maybe triggered by alcohol intake. Not me. Caffeine excess. I am working on caffeine. Never. I never drink caffeine. See me in your different...
8:33Okay. Eye strain, fatigue. Fatigue is... That could be it. It could 100%. I don't sleep. Now, why aren't you sleeping?
8:42Porn addiction. Long pause I'm upholding my eye open No There's too much stuff to do There's too many people to see There's too many things to think about I have like a multiple What was that? Nicole, I got a good laugh out of Nicole on that one for some reason There's too many things to think about And Nicole's like What do you mean? What are we thinking about? Everything! Name a thing I'm thinking about it. Conflicts Personal, global, military All of it. Military. Every strata. Oh, my God. Things I said years ago. People I haven't talked to. People I haven't talked to. This is what I mean about the – This is when you're like, I'm definitely not depressed.
9:21I stay up until late in the night thinking about global conflicts. It could be that. Is that depression, though? Or is that just like – I don't know. I'm not sure that that's what it is. Someone tap in. I can't fall asleep because I'm thinking about global conflicts. It feels like something. You ever stay up because you're worried about the world? I stay up because I watch SportsCenter twice. No worries. Yeah, I watch it twice. I'm going, my kids go to sleep at whatever time. So that's like wife time. So my wife and I hang out, and then wife goes to sleep, and then I watch SportsCenter twice. Yeah.
9:53Do you think once would do it? Absolutely. The second SportsCenter is identical to the one before. They're telling you the exact stuff they already told you. Yeah. But I like the bouncing of the balls. I like the big men smushing each other. I love it. Yeah. I think my big note for you, if I could give you one, and you feel free to give me one too. Thank you. I would just say do SportsCenter once and then maybe go to bed. That could help. That would be my one thing. Are you ever for sports? You're wearing sports. Big football guy. Football. American football. American football. Kansas City Chiefs.
10:21Kansas City Chiefs. Incredible. Yeah. Do you have a football team? Do you care about football at all? I care about the San Francisco 49ers, so we're natural rivals. Sorry. And also, but you're from Kansas City. Yes. I acquired it as a youth because I was being bullied relentlessly, actually. Why? And I thought, because I was not cool, I think. I wore sweatpants all the time. I had really bad eczema. I had really bad acne. I went on to braces, which were clear. No. Big mistake. No. It looks like your teeth have teeth. Yeah. So I had a lot of stuff going wrong for me. I was, now you think, okay, well, at least he was probably a good student.
10:59Absolutely not. Teachers berating me in front of the classroom. Yeah. It's quite smart. You're such an easy victim. To this day. Yeah. But I had no natural ally. There was no place. There was nowhere to hide. And I thought, maybe if I like sports, that will save me. The 49ers were good at that time. So that's just who I latched on to. And where were you in the world? New Haven, Connecticut. New Haven, Connecticut being a 49ers fan. Yeah, exactly. Couldn't be geographically further from the 49ers. Also, sports as identity and community typically very geographical. And for you to pick a team across the country is like, okay, your judgment was not with the sweats and everything.
11:34It's like, yeah, you're obviously not. I was making some bad choices. You were not dialed in. This is before, and eventually I discovered theater. Hello. They'll take anybody. Literally, yes. But at that age, actually true. Low bar to entry. Yeah. This sloppy person riddled with pockmarks, bring it, we'll take 10 more of these. Yeah, you can play a leper in the next production, whatever. They just don't care. So there, in theater, I'm a king. Yeah. Absolutely a king. So that's where, but before that, I adopted the 49ers prior to discovering the outlet of theater. Yeah. How did you find the theater?
12:09My mom forced me. Yeah. She made you do theater. My mom made me do ballet class. She made me do piano. Yeah. She made me do theater. Was she just desperate to have a gay son? Or she didn't? Those three specific. Militantly trying to make me homosexual. I see you not having any friends. Might I interest you in ballet? It was like a very dastardly kind of move. Yeah, is there anything I can do to, Maybe if we deepen this alienation, if there's something to ostracize you further. Let's pick a beautiful, rare art form that boys historically don't respect. And I would say that to that end, every single week, she was like, no, this week, the teacher told me there are going to be other boys in the class.
12:49And then she would drop me off, marry a boy in sight. Yeah. Not a one. Yeah. And I'm the most, oh, also inflexible person alive. Yeah. So other people are, well, they're training to be ballerinas. That's what they want to do. I can't touch my knees. So it's humiliating for me in a hundred different ways. Yeah. How long did you do ballet? I did it for, I want to say, three years of ballet classes. Wow. A long time. And it got to the point where I hated it so much that my mom would drop me off and I would go inside. And then once her car, her big white van, she drove a big white van, once it drove away, I would go outside to a pay phone, call the school and say I was sick.
13:28and then my mom would come and pick me up and I would walk back into the school to be picked. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yes, huge. I'm doing subterfuge. Yes, I'm really proud of him. I like what he was doing. Yes. I wish I knew him. I would have been your friend. Thank you so much for saying that. Were you popular when you were? You were always popular. I wouldn't say popular. I existed in a, I kind of. Like a liminal space. I kind of got on with everybody because it was a survival technique. Okay. The weird kids drawing like anime pictures at lunch and like wearing horsetails and shit.
13:59I got on with them. We were cool. The athletes. I kind of just like, I had like a little in with everybody. But guess what? A friend to all, a friend to none. I had no home. Okay. I had no like place to, I didn't have like the theater. I'm trying to have sympathy for that, but I was getting absolutely abused. I know. So it doesn't feel similar. No, I totally understand. Because you were, you played football, right? I did. I played football third grade to ninth grade. Okay. So that's an in. Even if you don't feel like totally at one with it. That's a community. Like people who respect you. Yeah, I was allowed places.
14:33I wasn't picked on for the most part. And then also you're eloquent and you're interested. That's how you can get along with people. Because all those things together combine to make like, everybody wants that guy around. Even if you don't feel like you're with them, they think you're with them. And you didn't feel interested or eloquent? No, no, no, never. No, not at all. No, and I also looked like hell. I looked bad. Yeah. I had eczema every place. 100 % of my body. I was a crocodile person. I love him. And I've already talked, I've talked about this before, but on top of all of this, because of the eczema, this is fifth grade now, a girl in my fifth grade class convinced the other kids that the scars from scratching the eczema were actually heroin.
15:15That's what I was injecting myself with heroin. It's fucked up. So they convinced the other kids that I was doing heroin. What the fuck? That's what was going on for me, Caleb. That's crazy. Yeah, my situation was better. It was tough sometimes with fat, but never did anyone think I was a heroin addict. Jesus Christ. Kids suck. Tough with fat. People make fun of you for being fat, you're saying? Oh, yeah. Tough with fat. Oh, yeah. Fat was my big issue. Even gay kind of went under the radar. Fat was the big one. Fat as a kid. If you're a fat kid, best of luck. I just, every time I see a fat kid, I'm like, hey, I hope someone's giving you perspective, it brother because it's not now it's not your window but someday you might be all right i just see a little fat kid and i go hang in there pal i don't know what to tell you you better you better find a skill be able to sing or something football was helpful because fat was fat was uh they were very happy about fat at football you were alignment i assume yes but outside of football they were not thrilled with fat were you good at football oh very good really i was very good at football that fucking rules yeah i was very good i blew i heard i had to get knee surgery when i was 15 that's why I stopped playing.
16:23Oh, would you, if you, like, you would have kept playing forever? I think so. Until some injury ended. I think I would have stayed in the closet and played as long as I could have. It was a place where I felt very powerful. Because you were good at it. What position did you play specifically? I played right guard. Okay. And then I played very different positions on the defensive line whenever they needed me. It kind of went to a small school. Got it. So it just depended on who was around and who wasn't. But yeah, I would have definitely kept playing. It was a place that I felt, like, strong and powerful.
16:48That's awesome. It was cool. But it wasn't like, I wasn't like mean enough and like tough enough to be like the guys that were really idolized. Like Chance is laughing because he knows what I mean. The linemen that were like really idolized were the guys who were like disgusting. Like they wanted to hurt people. Yeah, totally. I never wanted to hurt anybody. I just liked winning, you know? Yeah. Well, you want as an offensive lineman, I'm just here to protect my guy. Yeah. I was like, oh, I just want to, I want to win the objective. I want to like win the game. But these guys, the guys who like really got respected as linemen.
17:17They want to fucking pancake your ass. Being like, I'm going to fucking kill somebody. It was like violent, weird, like strange energy. Yeah, totally. I was always trying to get a joke off. They were always like, all right, as long as you block. My body's made of stones. Yeah. That kind of thing. It was weird. It was weird. I never took weight training seriously, obviously. I'm strong, but I was never focused up. Are we still in the gym ever? Not in the gym right now. I'm thinking about getting back, but I'm still very strong, Michael. I can't lie to you. I love that. Yeah. And when you say, how do you know that you're very strong?
17:50Come on. Take a little feel. Come on, get on there. Don't be scared. Woo! Yeah. And that's just nature? People don't know. That's nature. People don't know. There's no... You gotta be... We gotta be curling something. No, brother. No, no, no. You're just descended from a line. That's like... You know, I'm a hearty Midwestern stock. And I can get back in the game at any moment. And the fact that I don't... That's Hercules. That's like Promethean. That's like real... Yeah, you should see what these legs can do. You know, I can't really get into it right now. I'm here to talk about you. Do you want to wrestle?
18:25Do I want to wrestle you? Yeah, you could wrestle if you want. Do you know, if we wrestled, I think that you would do better than I think. I would say my number one tactic would be trying to escape a lot. Quick. Yeah. Speed. Yeah, you're going to run over there. Zip it around. Tire me out. Throwing stuff in front of you. I'm officially just trying. I'm doing this a lot. missing you as you run underneath. You said you had a knee thing. I'm going to try and exploit that in some way. Quick change of direction. If anyone listening ever finds themselves in a physical altercation with me, go for the right knee.
18:58It's my weakest thing. That's the way to go. Yeah, it's my weakest thing. You can still, if you put your finger here and I bend my leg, you can still feel it pop from the surgery. Yeah, go for the knee. Can I zag to a separate subject for a second? I wish you would. Okay, I just licked my lips and there was something on my lip, like a piece of food or something, and I drew it into my mouth. And my question is, was it there the entire time? What level of friendship do we have with the people in this room? Have I had a thing here the whole time? They should say something to you, but let me tell you something.
19:24I've done an entire, Michael, I've done an entire episode of this show. With food on your face. With chocolate smeared on my face. And none of these people said anything to you? Multiple people paid very well. Paid more than their asking rate. Every single person in this room. We'll plus that. We'll go over that. I say we'll pay you more because we want to do the right thing. Oh, what, could we trust you? Don't tell me chocolate all over my face. That is crazy. The clip comes out. I go, hey, so there's chocolate smeared across my face like the fucking kid from Matilda, and you guys didn't bother to say one single thing?
19:56I'm telling you, if that is on my lip, it has to be CGI'd out. Something has to be done. You have to put, you have to AI. Does AI do that? Yeah. Can Claude, can Claude do that? We're using AI all the time on our guest physical appearances on this show. I don't like AI. I'm anti, but if Claude can do that, If Claude can do that, I want it. I'm anti-AI right until I have something on my lip. That's where I draw the line. That's where I stop. That's exactly where we have to get into it. If something is on my lip, you can Amthropic, right? That's a company. Yeah. They can just zoop that out. Yeah, Sam Altman can come in personally and touch up my lip if he needs to.
20:28Wait, Sam Altman's one. Who is this person? I'm going to say a name. You tell me if this is somebody. Okay. Sam Bankman Freed. What's that? That is a person. Okay. And I do not remember what he is notable for. Wonderful. and we can edit that out of the episode. Take it away. No, it'll come up. Chance is going to Google it for us now. Okay. Chance, Sam Bankman freed. Is it a bad guy? Is this an evil man? He's a crypto guy. Okay. Crypto guy. Yuck. Oh, sorry. Oh, fuck. My God. Honestly, what I'm looking at to me is that's like roughly me in fifth grade. Oh, God. Oh, he's a convicted fraudster. Oh, convicted fraudster.
21:06God, he didn't have a choice. Look at that mug. commonly known as SBF. I don't think the look is good. And when you're that rich, you should be doing something with it. Well, he forfeited$11 billion. Yeah, you shouldn't have... Oh, the financier, Anthony Scaramucci, he's always at the scene of the crime. Scaramucci's always at the scene of the crime. Love Scaramucci. Leave me out of this. That's one of my personal heroes. Scaramucci? Yeah. You know, the first Trump administration was a lot of fun in that he hired a bunch of people that he knew seemingly nothing about. Absolutely. And then treated them like dog shit.
21:42Fired them publicly and humiliated them. And then they all were like, I think he's a bad guy. And the second time around, he has not made that mistake. He has only hired the dumbest, most loyal fucking idiots in the world. Yes, lap dogs up and down. Carolyn Levitt, that stupid bitch. She'll go up there every day and be like, I think what the president meant was. And she will never get fired. Yes, every person is a decoder ring in that way. He says whatever, and they're like, okay, so what that actually means is, and it's like, no, I can see the words. I read it. It felt like first Trump felt like all his supporters were mad that it's like they're not letting him do what he wants, and now he's doing what he wants, and they're all like, oh.
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22:23Yeah, now they're having Trump reports. Whoopsie-ditties. Like, okay, maybe next time we don't vote for him. They will. They will. They absolutely will. Like, I don't know if I can keep standing for this. They will. Yeah, my farm has been burned to the ground. Well, let's try it a third time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened to your farm, by the way? My farm? Do you have a farm anywhere? I don't have a farm. Do you wish? Wait, do you have a farm? No. Oh. But I kind of am one of those guys that wants one. I could see you having a farm. Do you want like a fuck show biz ranch? I am ready to be out of the business.
22:51Yeah. If I could afford to. Yeah. But I can't. I can't. So forget it. I'm going to be in the business. I got a mortgage, so I'll be in. It's the only thing I know how to do. So I'm going to be in the biz writing sloppy jokes for fucking whomever. But I would love to move to Kansas or some place, have a pool and just chill. That would be fucking awesome. Apple Pay is the simple, secure, and fast way to pay. That's because your credit or debit card is right on your iPhone. Accepted at millions of places from big box stores to boutiques, you can check out with your iPhone anywhere contactless payments are accepted.
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25:00Farm has animals, right? I'm thinking Moo Moo here. I'm thinking EIEO. Farm can totally have animals. But by the way, most of these people, most of the people that are doing like a show business farm, they're not touching the animals either. They've got hired help to do the animals. They like maybe ride a horse every once in a while. And what is a show business farm? Fuck showbiz farm. You know this. Oh, I got you. I thought in my mind, you said show business farm and I imagine you're just like growing like a Jeff Probst in the ground. This is like when a famous person goes and gets a ranch. And they're like, I'm a rancher now.
25:27And we're like, you're wearing jeans on a ranch. You're not a rancher. That's fuck show business farm. Yeah, I got you. I like that. I would, if I could afford to do that. There's so many things I would do if I could afford to do them. But that's, so ranch for sure. You know, I think one of the things, so many people, not just show business people, but so many people that live in cities in general, last couple years have been like, ugh, I just want to move to the woods. And I'm like, no you don't. Hey, Donnie, you wouldn't do well out there. Not the woods. You wouldn't do well in the woods. No, I would do horribly in the woods.
25:55You'd be so bored. Bugs. Bugs. That's kind of it. Spotty Wi-Fi. Yeah, exactly. No cell service. I think, but enforced spotty Wi-Fi for me, I think would be helpful. I would sleep more if I didn't have the internet, for sure. You couldn't watch the second SportsCenter. No, SportsCenter's on the TV. I don't need the internet for that. Fuck, that's horrible. I was hoping maybe you were streaming this. But you're on the internet late at night. Come on, let's be honest. Am I on the internet late at night? sometimes, but usually it's like responding to people's Instagram stories. I'm not doom scrolling.
26:24I don't have TikTok on my phone and I feel like when I did have TikTok on my phone, that was troubling. Oh, you know what I have that is, I think, maybe the most pathetic version of this? Tell me. Is I have a video game called Clash Royale. You know what this is? No. Well, it's me and a bunch of 11-year-olds and there's no way, no point even trying to explain to you this game. What are you doing on there? I'm playing a game where I'm defending my three my two towers and my castle against the other guy's towers and his castle and I'm sending my little minions over there to try and to take his stuff to blow up his stuff and are you succeeding?
27:01I would say most of the time I'm succeeding or you're playing children I'm definitely playing kids and they they're like little emoticons not emoticons emojis or whatever that they can respond to you with and these kids are really mean what are they saying to you? they don't say anything it's just like it's like a king cackling at you as his little characters destroy your tower. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's pretty bad. I wish I hadn't brought this up. That's horrible. Let's cut this out, too. No, I think we'll keep this. Why are you on there? Because I started doing it, and then you, like... How'd you find it?
27:33My son. Okay. My son was doing it, so that's normal. Okay, yeah. So my son was doing it, and then I started playing him in it, and then he's like, I'm going to bed because it's 11 p.m., and I'm like, let me just play 600 to 700 more games of this. And now I'm playing Clash Royale with a Korean nine-year-old who's kicking my ass. I'm like, I gotta go to bed. Destroying you. Absolutely crushing me. Have to get on her way to go to work. Yeah, exactly. I have to take my daughter to school in the morning. I'm sleeping in late because I'm like, just give daddy five more minutes. I played Clash Royale until 3 a.m.
28:05Are you telling your kids stuff like that? I tell them, yeah, I think so. Are you guys being really honest? I try to be pretty real with them. I mean, you know, yeah, pretty honest. There's some stuff you can't, but almost everything. What are you keeping from them? how do you decide when to lie and when to be honest are you ever lying about small stuff just to make your life easier I try not to but I probably am I don't think so more like if my wife and I have a disagreement and my kid's like what's that about I'm not even lying I'm just like I'm not going to tell you well the truth is I'm not going to tell you that's not for you so I think there's some things that I try to keep like these are the adult things and I'm not trying to bring those things into your world you know what I mean but anything if I have a feeling about something or a thought about something, I pretty much tell them.
28:51Yeah. Because I'm trying to encourage that in them, especially in in my son because I just feel like that's a thing that dudes tend to not do. Like I think you're sort of socialized to keep everything in there. You know what I mean? And I think that's bad. You think it's bad. I think it's really good. I really want you to bottle it up. I want your son to keep things in. I do not want to see boys expressing themselves at all ever ever yeah lock it up push it down yes so yeah i'm trying i'm trying to like you know let him have his let him have his feelings encourage him to express them yeah do you feel like you got that as a kid yeah um no not really no i mean like i was encouraged to participate in artistic things ballet piano theater yeah but like two i definitely remember at one point i broke up with a girlfriend of a long time in high school, and I was crying, and my mom was like, come on.
29:46No. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's Filipina also, so there's a little, like, cultural there also of, like, we have it here too, of men have to be a particular way. So me crying about my girlfriend was not cool. Yeah. Yeah. Have you guys talked about that in adulthood? Me and my mom? Yeah. Mm, no. I think if we did, she would deny it. My mom is a... Oh, come on. Me? My mom is a full fabricator. Like, I don't even think she intends to do it. I think it's a spontaneous, uncontrollable thing where she'll just, like, say some stuff. And you're like, that's 100 % not true. Yeah. Like, we'll be out to dinner with my family.
30:28Extended family. This happened. My mom turns to my dad's brother and goes, you know, Michael is so close with us, he tells us all about his sex life. I'm like, why would you say that? Do you? No, never. I never would. I never have. What could have possessed you to say that sentence? Yeah. But just like something, there's just something flips and she's like, I'm going to say something crazy right now. She's bored at dinner. She's like, I'm about to lie. Period. This is tedious. I'm about to say something crazy. Well, I'm bored. Who wants to hear a lie?
31:05Anyway, the truth's been pretty boring. Anybody want to hear a fabrication, a falsehood? That is what's happening. That fucking rocks. It's very entertaining. I love it. It's very fun. See, but you're robbing your kids of that because you're doing this humble, honest thing with them. You should be lying in front of them. You're right. Give them stories. Make up more shit. Your kids are going to be too well adjusted. Yeah. I mean, I think I was, growing up because of the bullying, very much a liar. I would just make shit up about, I can't even tell you what it was, but it always made me feel bad because you're pretending.
31:36Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? When you're lying, you feel bad? Is that what you're asking me? Do I know about that? I'm asking if you have the... If you... If you could relate to the feeling of having like a... Well, like a pretend... Like a full persona that I kind of made up because I was trying to escape the thing that I actually was. And you're asking, do I know about feeling bad?
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35:40I was I was loathed Right? Okay so I'm trying to Invent like stories about my family Oh I met this famous person I'm talking to other kids at school Yeah But none of it is true Right So anytime there was a taste of them being like Oh I like Tell me more about that And I'm like Oh fuck I've now created this distance between myself and this person, they will never know who I am because I'm invested in this lie and I will never tell them the truth. Yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? Totally. Does this make sense to you? Totally. Okay, so you're done mocking me for having feelings? Totally.
36:10Totally. No, you said I lie and then I feel bad. Do you know what I mean? And I was like, and I was like, well, this feels like some sort of morality test that I'm meant to fail. Like, you're like, Caleb, I felt bad for hurting people. You understand? please walk with me on this please try to understand can you imagine can you imagine so sorry you're a sociopath you wouldn't get this he no totally I've lied so many times I also used to steal steal like what oh I loved stealing I would steal anything but like what a horse what do you mean anything oh steal if I could steal a horse I would have stolen a fucking horse what this horse no I brought this you're riding off on a horse you didn't have before my horse this is my horse from home this is my horse that I brought that I came in with, the horse I came in on.
36:57No, I would steal from anybody. I would steal change. I would steal hats. I would steal little trinkets. I would steal anything I could get my little hands on. I also steal stuff. I stole shoplifting. I would steal choose-your-own-adventure books. That's the thing that I stole. While I was supposed to be in ballet class, I would go around the corner to the bookstore and then just shove my pants full of choose-your-own-adventure. How many are you getting in there? Just chock full of books. No, not your sweats. And then I got caught by the guy, and he was like, I'm going to call your parents. Give me your parents' phone number.
37:30And I said, please, please don't do that. And then he didn't call them. So my parents won't find out about that right now. Oh, my God. What a nice guy. Very nice guy. Why do you think he took pity on you? Do you have any understanding of that? I assumed I was sobbing. Yeah, were you? Probably. I don't remember. It's also so funny. Like, as a kid, you don't really know what's fully available to you. You know, like, if an adult were to say to a kid, hey, I'm going to call your parents. Give me your parents' phone number. the kid can 100 % just go, no, fuck you, and walk away. Yes, absolutely. But kids don't know that they can do that.
37:59So they just stand there terrified, like fucking 1-8-7. They just give the number. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you don't have to do that. I'll dial it for you almost. Kids don't know how often you can just say no to somebody. Fuck off. It's crazy. I think about that all the time. Sometimes I get mad. This is crazy. People will receive this as crazy because it is crazy what I'm about to say. Sometimes I will think of times as a kid that I let someone tell me what to do, and I will get mad. and I'll go I should have told them no please give us a specific example like I'll think about like a teacher being like Caleb go sit over there you're talking too much and I as an adult go I should have told her to fuck off what do you mean I'm sitting right here I'm not going over there I'm gonna keep talking you interrupted me you fucking get out of my face you keep talking about biology or whatever I'm talking to Steve what are you talking about I finished my work do better give me harder work I'm gonna stay right here and I get mad I go he should have known better see I feel like my kids are pretty good like they're very self-possessed and if it's from growing up in Brooklyn or whatever but I do feel that they would I feel like they would have the wherewithal to be like I'd rather not do that how old are your kids 16 crazy 13 crazy old whoa too old I don't like it like I mean they're I love them so much that they're the best yeah I just don't like them I don't like that they continue to age.
39:16I would like to freeze them. A lot of the time, I will be sitting with them, looking at pictures of them, and they'll be talking to me. I'll be like, actually, stop. I'm looking at you. Yeah. I'm actually enjoying you where you were supposed to be. Yeah. You're supposed to be this. Don't be this, what you are. Yeah. Well, just because my son, he's going to leave. He's going to go to college. You think so? I don't want that. Fuck. Yeah. You could probably keep him in the house if you started doing some really strategic stuff now. Like, tricking him about stuff? You've got two years to sabotage his chances at college.
39:45Basically. If you want to keep him around, that's the way things are. You've got two years with him. You've got five with the daughter. Yeah. What do you think is a good trap? Like get him arrested for something? Or what are you thinking? I think, yeah, totally getting him arrested for something could be huge. Then you run the risk of him going to jail. Okay. So I don't want that. Which is still leaving. That's also a way for me. Yeah. Maybe a viral video of him doing something problematic. Yeah. If you could get him to dress up in a costume he has no business being in for Halloween, maybe. Yeah.
40:09Post pictures of it. If I could, maybe this is another place for AI. Does AI do stuff like that? Yeah. Could AI make him, put him in a weird costume? Put him in a headdress he shouldn't be wearing. Yeah, I'm sure. Like a kabuki dress? I'm sure it could. That's one way to go. But then there is the chance that maybe you'll want him to be able to leave the house someday. Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right. So you don't want to do something so permanent. Okay. Hmm. This is good to pitch on this, though. You could start, you or your wife could start pretending to be quite sick. Oh, that's good.
40:45And then whenever you're ready for him to leave the house, you could be like, oh, I'm fine now. I'm actually fine. In like five or six years when you guys are actually sick of him being in the house, you'd be like, oh, we're better. Yeah. Yeah. He's been like changing my bedpan for six years. But you guys are hanging out, playing Clash Royale or whatever the fuck. He's like 23, being like, sorry, my dad's sick. He wants to play Clash Royale. I can't come out tonight. Yeah, I can't take any classes or leave the home at all.
41:13Sorry, I can't come out at all ever. My dad's sick. Yeah, if I don't play NBA 2K with my dad, he has seizures.
41:24No, he'll start seizing for real, guys. I've seen it. Wait, is this bad? I do, like, force my son to play NBA 2K with me. Like, force him. He'll be like, I don't want to. I want to do homework. I'm like, well. Too bad. Yeah, well, because I said so. No, that's the point of having kids. Yes, I agree with that. That's totally the point of having kids. Do you want to have kids? I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. How many kids? What kind of kids? Oh, my gosh. What kind of kids? I'll take any kind. Whatever they'll sell me, you know? Whatever they got. Whatever they got. Whatever's left on the market. How many do I want?
41:52I think I would love like three. Three kids. That would be great. Kind of a classic. Three would be great. Are you of three? Are you of what? No, I'm technically of two, but it was very complicated. But I was most, a lot of times I was the only kid in the house. So three would be cool I definitely don't want just one I'm of three Three good Three cool for you? We have two I'm not having I had my penis broke Yeah? Yeah I got a vasectomy I said fucking Kill it Cut that shit off Break that fucker Yeah Punch it You know they can reverse that What's that? Not what they did to me No sir brother I made sure they couldn't No I said, you go out there, you get a gun, you come back.
42:36Do the irrevocable one. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. I'm going to do some crimes down there. Yeah. And they did. And they did. And it still hurts to this day, but it's worth it.
42:49Damn, I hate to hear that, brother. No, the idea of just, it's really, it's the economy, buddy. It's the economy. If I had one more kid, the stress of how much it costs, I would go straight through it. You'd have both eyes switching. both eyes twitching my butthole twitching everything's twitching like crazy bad news I would sprint full speed out the window crash boom done it's over even if there wasn't a window I would Kool-Aid man through the wall to get my thumb I can't support another child I just can't do it okay don't have a third okay thank you thank you for saying that you knew I was gonna keep pushing and you set me straight and that's fine I met your wife she's wonderful I would love to see you guys have a third kid but I understand stop saying that don't say that cut that out use Claude for that.
43:33Cut that out. Oh, that's so funny. Well, fuck. Okay, I guess you'll just have the two then. Do your kids have any idea what they want to do? My son has been dabbling. He's been dabbling in law stuff. He spent a week with the Brooklyn DA's office. Fuck. And he is going today to meet, I think to watch court proceedings with some judge. So he's kind of into that, but it's really a dabble. He went to the court to watch the Brooklyn DA, and there was some Hispanic guy who was pleading guilty to something and the judge was saying to this guy, you know, by pleading guilty, you waive your right to, all these rights that you waive and Truman is my son's name, came home and he was like, dude, it was fucking sad as hell.
44:16Yeah. It's like, so maybe then you don't want to, maybe this is not exactly the thing you want to do or maybe you could be protecting this guy. Yeah. But I think there is sort of like a TV version of the law and a movie version that's very glamorous and then there's like actual real practical law shit that is pretty bleak. Yeah. So, I don't know. Damn. I would be happy. He loves sports. I would be happy for him to find some kind of a sports job. I bet you would. You want him to be watching sports? Yeah, you're like, get a job at sports center. See if they'll give old dad a tour. I bet you get to take someone around the office every once in a while.
44:55Maybe you bring in old dad. Hey, give Pa a chance. Maybe I can play one-on-one with Charles Barkley. I can sit behind the desk, right? Nobody cares. Yeah. Turn the camera on and see what happens.
45:14Your poor son just wants to be a lawyer so bad. No, come on. My dad forced me to do sports. Run the old school stat sheet. Get in with the Nets. And then my daughter just got into LaGuardia, the LaGuardia School for the Performing Arts what kind of arts? drama, she brings the drama she's an actress and that's like the public school system I don't know what you know about this or how much you want to know public high school in New York City is like a whole fucked up system that is bad but probably better than any other system that they could have devised because there's a billion people and there's only like so many good schools so you have a lottery number and her the lottery number starts with 00 that's the best one you can get like it's a long thing but starts with 00 hers started with E E you understand we're not even in the numbers anymore we graduated to alphabet yeah and she's like an incredible student so that sucks so she had to do a bunch of things to try and get into other schools so she auditioned for LaGuardia and she got in which is great nice it's a good school nice it's a really good school from what I hear but also not just for the acting also for the reading and the writing and the plussing and the minusing.
46:25If she's talented, who cares? Yeah, I guess that's true. If you're not talented, learn how to read. But if you're talented... Who cares? Just fuck it. Who cares? Yeah, they'll say it in your ear and you say it out loud. Hello. Yeah, forget reading. I just feel if you're talented, those things don't apply to you. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I want her to be an actress. So much of the external validation. You know what I mean? Yeah. You don't have that. You validate internally. You seem pure and wise. I don't think that I'm pure. Okay. I think there's a shot at wise. Okay. I might be wise on some days.
46:53Okay. I feel, yeah, I feel pretty, I feel pretty internally validated. I think I know when I've done better or bad. Yeah. Do you not have that? Yeah, I'm okay. I mean, I'm physically a disaster, but mentally I think okay. Physically disaster. So the ankles and the knees are a problem. Ankles and knees are a problem. I'm playing basketball as much as possible because I love it. Yeah. Is there any part of your brain that goes, it's a ticking clock on the basketball stuff. I, every injury I have in my life, like a real injury, is from playing basketball. I have hurt my knee, torn something in my knee, sprained my ankles really badly.
47:31I have, over both of my eyelids, I've burst both of my eyelids from getting head-butted playing basketball. A lot of bad stuff. But I, I, there's, I love it so much. Yeah. Is there anything like that for you? Like, was football ever like that? no i would say maybe like in terms of like well i don't things i love doing like that i love going on a long walk i like riding bikes but it's nothing competitive like if i hear a basketball if i would hear a basketball in the hall right now yeah after this is over i would go and try and find where that is and be like i'll play yeah and i'm wearing this or like if i if i'm at a if i'm at a wedding and i'm dressed in a full suit and i can see like outside the wedding outside of the grounds.
48:11There's a basketball game happening over there. Yeah. I'm like, I bet if I stepped out I could play with them for like 10, 15 minutes. Yeah. I love it. I love that for you so much. There's like, there's no, it's so, nothing, it's just us. It's, we're symbiotic. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I don't think I do, but it's a really beautiful feeling that I wish I had about something. I don't know anything about what you, I don't know your opinion on fracking or whatever. I'm just like, we, you and I are one. We're part of this organism that is playing this thing right now. yeah it's like music kind of it's beautiful am I high what am I talking about you're not high at all you're describing a beautiful love of sport but it's like that if you're ever in a band it's just like what the fuck are we even doing this is all nonsense but I love it 100 % I feel I wish you were saying this on a different podcast because I know there are podcasts out there where a bunch of straight guys would be in the comments being like he fucking nailed it that's how I feel unfortunately there are going to be some lesbians that listen to this that are going to be able to understand New York Liberty New York Liberty the New York Liberty they're going to listen they're okay that's sports and that's women yeah that's women playing sports women I love women playing sports I guess you didn't think women could play sports I did not that's what you're always saying I still don't I do not believe women can play sports oh wait I have to ask you something what is so true to you oh oh right okay what is so true to me this is like a take oh sure is this enough of a take You have to say We're splitting the check Before we order You have to say that at the top You can't say it at the end Because I don't drink So when I go out And we have dinner, you're drinking You're having two glasses of the Sauvignon Blanc Caleb isn't, but yeah, the other person with you This is$40 and I'm paying for half of yours?
50:01No way, buddy I'm throwing another steak in there I'm taking a to-go steak And you're paying for that How do you feel about that? Yeah. I like this. I'm actually really mad now. I wish we hadn't started talking about this. I'm kind of pissed off as well. Who brought this up? Was it you? It was me. It's fucked up. Fucking people putting too much alcohol in the bill, you tell them. Yeah, it's just not right. Yeah. Or just splitting the check. Also, if you're rich, if you 5X my income, you're paying for it. Now, this is kind of where I'm at. We're not splitting. We're either paying for what we got or you're paying for all of it.
50:31Those are our two options. If you are so clearly the richest person at the table, you have an obligation to pay. Sorry. All this is on you. You just do. Yeah, and it's fine. What do you care? Yeah. What do you care? You have so much money. Pay for it. That's how I feel. I don't care how many people are sitting at the table. If you know in your heart that you could drop$700 on the check and it wouldn't really affect your week, you have a responsibility to do it. Legally, this is our platform. We should run co-president of the country. You can be president. I'll be vice. You sure? Yeah, take it.
51:02I feel like it. You're more palatable. You be the main guy. I'll be like Dick Cheney doing secret, crazy, weird shit. Operating me like a marionette. Hand up my butt, maybe even doing this kind of thing. Yes. You got to be careful with my busted penis. I'll be careful with your busted dick, knees, and ankles. Hopefully everything's cool in the anal cavity so I can get up there and work around. Oh, I'm doing, have you done colonoscopy yet? No, I'm 31. Buddy, I've done three. Yeah? And those suckers rule. Really? It's the best. Wow. The prep's not great, but it's not as bad as they say. You piss shit for a day.
51:39Yeah. Or you shit piss. But then the colonoscopy, they give you propofol. Have you ever? No, why would you? It's the stuff that, and it takes you out, out. You are in a deep sleep. You're on an astral plane. You're gone. Yeah. You know, you don't sleep enough. Yeah. Propofol, you'll have a sleep like you have never had in your entire life. And the guy is like, count down from 10. so I know. And you go, and you're out. You are gone, brother. Michael Jackson, I think, died from it, so you gotta be careful. But when you do it, you're like, I get it. I get why that happened. And then what do they do to you?
52:17They put a camera up your butthole and they zoom it around in there and they take pictures of everything. Why does that rock for you? You don't even know what's happening. It's the sleep. Oh, you're excited about the sleep? It's the sleep. It's the best sleep you'll ever get. You really don't get sleep. I'll do it. I'll shit piss, and I'll have the camera up my ass. I just want this. What I like, I guess, is propofol, not colonoscopy. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think the actual procedure is doing anything for you. You're like, I love it. I thought you were going to tell me you had some euphoric feeling afterwards or something.
52:48Absolutely not. No, it's just a really good nap. It's worth it. The copay, everything. Pay the money. You should have it done. I would just say do it. Yeah, just go get one. Yeah. Okay. I might. I might. What's the other thing you're supposed to have? Colonoscopy. Oh, prostate exam. Prostate? I don't think I've had that. But maybe when they do the colonoscopy, do they do that? I don't know, but if you haven't, I really would like for you to get one. Okay. You're feeling like that's going to be a problem for me? I would be concerned if you've never had a prostate exam, and I'd like for you to get one.
53:14Have you had one? No, but I think really after a certain age, you're supposed to be doing it. This whole thing has been a conspiracy to get me to get a prostate exam and to call me old. Is that what it is? No, you're quite young. Thank you. But I do think there's an age where you're supposed to be getting them regularly. Okay. A lot of things. There are a lot of things I'm supposed to be doing that I'm not doing, and I think that's one of them. I think, honestly, what I would love to do is hospital day. Once a year, I'd love to just be like, hey, stick a thing up my ass, the camera, check the prostate, run all the blood tests, put me in the big scanner that scans for every type of cancer, MRIs.
53:50I'll just come in all day, and then I don't want to hear from you guys for a while. Yeah, I'm not really doing the things that are, like, super necessary all the time. I'm doing more like, I'm like eating minoxidil. Do you know what I mean? I'm doing stuff that's like periphery. Yeah. I'm not doing things for my health as much as I should be. Well, I think that you're fine. I think you're fine. Okay, thank you. You seem fine. That's what I need. I need to hear that. I think don't worry about any of it. An unexamined health situation is often better anyway. That's what they always say. Yeah. Don't think about it.
54:18And if something comes up, fuck it. We'll ball when we need to ball. I love that idea. Yeah. And that's real talk. Yeah. That's basketball because that's b-ball. Fuck it, we'll ball. Et cetera. Beautiful. Do you worry about, what do you worry about? Do you worry about anything? I worry about, oh God, what do I worry about? I worry about losing my hair. Really? I worry about that. Is that happening? It is happening. We're getting some, the forehead is encroaching. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's zipping up there. Yeah. Thought about going to Turkey? What's that? You thought about going to Turkey?
54:53I was just with, God, what's his name? Gus Constantel Constant You don't know him I believe you Yeah I don't know I did a thing for local news here Before this And the comedian who was on after me Yeah Had gone to Turkey Whoa No complaints Said he loved it And it looks great He looks great Gus His name is Gus His hair looks incredible I've seen one guy I know one guy who went to Turkey I know four who didn't really look good And I think it was a waste of their time and money I know one guy who looks amazing Was he fully bald when he went? No Interesting But I worry about the hairline. I feel like the top, I feel like you could get it to look good.
55:29I worry that the hairline is going to look fucking crazy. It's going to look like a horror movie. I think when my time comes, I'll lose my hair for sure. You say that now. I think when my time comes, no, no, I don't think I'm going to bald gracefully at all. That's not where I'm going with this. Oh, okay. No way. I'm not one of those idiots. Yeah. I think I'll just, when it's very obvious it needs to go, I'll just shave it all off, completely bald, and start wearing male hair units. A system. And changing. I'll wear a system. I'll wear, I'll get really good men's wigs and wear a different one every week.
56:01Change them up. Oh, my God. I love that. Yeah, I think that's how I'll go. You know who talks about systems all the time is Asher Perlman. You know, our friend Asher Perlman. Is Asher wearing systems? He's not, but he talks about it all the time. He's so handsome. He's a gorgeous bald man. His baldness is working for him. It works for him. Google him, guys. He's hot. He's a handsome guy. But he is always talking about throwing a system up there, and it's really funny. He, unfortunately, bald works so well for him. I think it would be horrible to see him in a unit. But I'd like to maybe see what I could do with some wigs.
56:29Bald will, when I go bald, when it ultimately happens, and again, I am eating fistfuls of minoxidil, so I'm doing everything I can to stop it, it's going to look bad on me. Because my eyebrows are kind of thin already, so I am going to look like I have an illness. It's going to look like I have some kind of a rare, maybe rickets, which I still don't know what it is. You still don't know what it is, but it might be what you have. Yeah. Yeah, bald will not be good for me. I can tell you that right now. I could kind of see it. No, sir. I will not look good with bald. I did have a goatee this morning.
57:01This morning you had one? Well, I had a bunch of facial hair. Chance saw me last night. I hadn't shaved in a while as my little rebellion against having had to shave for every day for weeks. And then this morning when I shaved, I shaved it into a goatee, and I said, you know what? Much like every man who's ever shaved. I wish to God you had kept that. You know, I have a picture. Yes, please. Would you like to see a picture? Please. I won't show it to the audience. I'll only show it to you. Please show it. They need to see it. They can't see it, but I'll let them see your reaction to it. I'm going to like it.
57:28There's no way I won't like it. This is me with a goatee. I don't think you're going to recognize this guy. There's no way I won't like it. I'm shirtless out of the shower. Okay. So try not to get turned on. There's a lot going on. I cannot wait to see this. I am obsessed with that guy. You have to. Don't you love him? You have to do it. Don't you kind of love him? You have to do that. You have at least for one episode of this, you're not, oh, you did angles. I did angles. That's incredible. I got a lot of pictures of goatee. That one gives kind of like frustrated restaurant manager. Exactly. And I really like that.
58:04That's what I was going for. And it's a good guy. Like, it's a manager that you don't like other managers. This manager you like and you disappointed him. And that's the face he did. You upset him. You know Paul Noe showed again. He should have fired you the last time. Yeah, it's like you got one more chance. Yeah. But really, come on. I don't want to fire you. He's a good guy. His name's Gil. Yeah. You should some days be Gil on this podcast. You think so? I think so. Come in with a goatee. Yeah. Then stack totally different. I have been doing kind of like mustache-ish, but also like the Asian of me doesn't really want it to be full.
58:34You're Asian. I'm half Filipino, for God's sake. I didn't realize. You don't have a team that does this before I get here? They don't bring up anybody's race. I've asked them to. Okay. I've said don't bring up anybody's race. I'm half Filipino. I know that I'm playing with you. Oh, this is fucked up. Could you imagine? Your facial hair is great. Really? You've got great facial hair. I really like the way it frames your face. It's very handsome. That's nice of you to say. I also, have we been going for five hours? Do you need to leave? Is this over? This hasn't been recording at all? Oh, no. We've just hit an hour.
59:01I wanted to say that sometimes it's patchy because the eczema comes also with something alopecia areata. You ever get this? No. Oh, buddy. That's where you get a little patch where the hair doesn't grow. So then I go to a dermatologist and he shoots hair juice into my face so it grows. It's a steroid, basically. But I will have a perfect circle where there's no hair. It's so perfect that it'll look like I shaved a circle into my facial hair. So we can't have that. That can't stand. That's a different guy. So then my guy, Dr. Wildman, goes and shoots some hair juice in there, and then it grows back.
59:39Yeah, that's beautiful. Thank you. Thank you for your doctor, and shout out to him as well. Yes, absolutely. Weill Cornell, that's my guy. What game? All the cameras. What's that? I have a game for you. Okay, I love that. I love games. Why did it flip over? I had to get to the game. Oh, but what was on the other side? I can't tell you that. Okay. We run a very serious show here. As you saw when you walked in. Yes, yes, yes. I think you walked in, Chance immediately kicked over a coffee like Homer Simpson. And then I just heard, oh, and he's in there like wiping it up. I was like, great. I'm going to read you 15 statements.
1:00:14You're going to tell me as quickly as you can. if what I just said is true or false. First one's true. And if you get 10 or more correct, I'm going to give you 50 US dollars. Cash? Yeah. Really? Yeah, you ready? Is it a 50 or is it two 20s and a 10? It's more of a digital wire. I'm not going to lie to you. So I said cash and you just, it's not true. I didn't think you were going to keep going. I didn't think you were going to call my bluff, really. Okay, you ready? Do you have my routing stuff? Yes. I don't think you do. We do. Okay. We have the same management. You ready? Yep. Denver, Colorado is in the Pacific Standard Time Zone.
1:00:47False. False. Mountain Time. Alien vs. Predator was nominated for Best Makeup at the Oscars. True. False. Fuck. The human heart has... Fuck!
1:00:57The human heart has four chambers. True. True. Butterflies taste with their wings. What did you say? Butterflies taste with their wings. False. It's their feet. What? I know. Spider-Man turned off the dark. Spider-Man turned off the dark, ran for less than a year on Broadway. True. False. Three years. Fuck you! Reeve Carney Julie Taymor Of course it's more than a year Stupid Idiot Fuck me Helium is the lightest chemical element What? Helium is the lightest chemical element False False it's hydrogen Yes The Statue of Liberty holds her torch in her right hand Oh god Right hand I'm gonna say false True Fuck you Are you kidding me?
1:01:40Oh it's the book It's the book I hate this fucking thing Go ahead Go ahead. All even numbers are divisible by two. Yes, true. All planets in our solar system have at least one moon. False. True. False. What's your answer? All planets. Okay, is Pluto a planet? Are we counting Pluto as a planet? All planets in our solar system? I'm going to say true. Fuck it. True. It's false. Fuck you! No! Connecticut's motto is he who transplanted still sustains. Fuck you, no false. True. No! I'm from Connecticut. He who transplanted still sustains. What? Please. You just made it up. Pineapples grow on trees. Fucking true.
1:02:30False. Where do they grow? In the ground?
1:02:36I need more time. This is one of the worst. Penguins have knees. Penguins have knees false True
1:02:46Peter Griffin's mother's name is Thelma True True Okay, fine The Nile River flows southward True False, northward Fucking ass The founder of Jolly Bee is still alive True True Let's go How'd he do? Seven Bullshit What you did on that one was fucked up You asking if I have your wiring information before that performance is so true legend. Oh, my God. That was terrible. I'm so sorry. It's fine. I'm so sorry about that. How do you feel? Honestly, I feel good. I feel like maybe I might need a colonoscopy just to relax. Yeah, just to chill out. Yeah. Just to get a nap. Just to reset. Yeah. Let me get the drugs that killed Michael Jackson so I can chill out this afternoon.
1:03:35Well, do you want to tell people where they can find you, what they should be looking out for, how they can support you? You can find me I'm at Cruz Cain On Instagram My special just came out On Dropout It's called Sorry for your loss It's fucking It's so fucking good It's so good You should watch it You should watch it You should watch it And yeah Just come by my Come by my house And say hi Yeah That's beautiful Yeah Where your two children live Yeah come by Absolutely just come by Knock on the door Come on in Yeah Hell yeah Give me a little kiss Yeah Just as friends A friend kiss That's beautiful A handshake and a kiss This was a gorgeous episode Thank you Thank you for doing it You're gorgeous Do you want to plug anything?
1:04:09Yeah, you guys can find me at Caleb Says Things on Everything. My railway post. You can check out my HBO special. It came out last year. It's phenomenal. If it doesn't get nominated for an Emmy, I'll be shocked. Oh, yeah. I want to be nominated. Can I be nominated for that, too? Can you say that? Yeah. You should nominate. Sorry for your loss for an Emmy. And if I get nominated, I'll say I'm not doing it without Caleb. Yeah, I will, too. I'm not doing it. I'll do the same thing. I'm not coming. Yeah, me, too. Okay, great. Cool. Deal. Apple Pay is the simple, secure, and fast way to pay. That's because your credit or debit card is right on your iPhone.
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