Nick Smith is Giving Stepmom

19 Mar 2026 · 1 h 11 min · 27 chapters

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In short

Nick Smith and the host trade stories and opinions about awkward intimacy and dating—plus a long rant about “white guys who love Asia” (including a World War II tangent), and how Nick avoids the boring parts of dating.

Guest backgrounds

Nick Smith is a Lego enthusiast who’s been getting into Pilates and healthier eating (Factor meals). The host is a longtime co-host/comedian type who shares personal dating/sex experiences and pushes back on Nick’s viewpoints.

Key claims

“White guys obsessed with Asia” can be socially inappropriate or alarming; if someone can’t sleep because of snoring, they should use earplugs/headphones or get their own room. Nick dislikes dating’s “getting to know you” small-talk phase and prefers a quick, easy first date (coffee/drinks + walk) with an easy exit.

Notable examples

Nick recounts a work trip where a roommate (who “loved Asia”) threw a pillow at him while he slept, then claimed he couldn’t sleep due to Nick’s snoring. Nick also describes a sex kink misunderstanding involving being called “daddy” and a pronoun correction mid-moment. They discuss using Hinge premium and Nick’s “no dates” streak.

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Chapters

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Hotel Room Pillow Fight

1:04 to 1:28

Nick shares a hilarious and awkward story about a work trip gone wrong.

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Hotel Room Pillow Fight

1:50 to 7:32

Nick shares a hilarious and awkward story about a work trip gone wrong.

“Nick, what the hell is going on with you?”

Reflections on White Guys and Asia

7:32 to 9:50

A discussion about cultural obsessions and interactions with Asia.

“He's probably in Taipei causing trouble.”

World War II and Cultural Misunderstandings

9:50 to 14:01

Exploring misconceptions and historical ties between countries.

“I don't know why my brain just went there, but I, it's really.”

Exploring Identity and Labels

14:01 to 17:34

The hosts discuss the complexities of gender identity and labels in intimate scenarios.

Perceptions of Masculinity

17:35 to 19:46

A light-hearted debate on masculinity and the idea of being perceived as 'daddy'.

“Is this a new thing that I should explore?”

Dating Dilemmas

19:47 to 23:20

The hosts discuss their struggles with dating and the challenges of connecting with potential partners.

“I can't do yoga because you're not allowed to talk.”

Navigating Connections

23:21 to 26:12

Exploration of the difficulties and nuances in getting to know new people and dating.

“There are some people who are palatable to the masses.”

Ideal First Dates

26:13 to 28:00

The hosts share insights on what they consider ideal for first dates and their preferences.

“Wouldn't that be kind of cute and flirty?”

First Date Dynamics

28:00 to 33:07

Learn about the ideal approach to first dates and expectations.

“We chatted a little and then they just stopped messaging back.”
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First Date Dynamics

35:02 to 35:14

Learn about the ideal approach to first dates and expectations.

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Conversation Techniques on Dates

35:14 to 42:01

Discover effective conversation strategies for making connections on dates.

“So you've done it with Mateo and now you want to try it with me.”

Conversation Techniques on Dates

42:38 to 43:09

Discover effective conversation strategies for making connections on dates.

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Conversation Techniques on Dates

43:12 to 43:35

Discover effective conversation strategies for making connections on dates.

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Navigating Relationship Turnoffs

43:55 to 45:10

Discussing what turns them off in dating interactions.

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Dreams of Florida and Travel

45:10 to 46:29

A light-hearted conversation about Florida and travel experiences.

“So again, I'm more of a Christmas person.”

Food Preferences and Healthy Eating

46:29 to 47:57

Exploring food preferences and experiences with healthy meals.

“Because you know what I can do on the ground?”

Fitness and Movement Preferences

47:57 to 49:11

Discussing their attitudes towards fitness and preferred activities.

“You're, uh, I just tried an arm workout with Bob the other day.”

High School Memories and Relationships

49:11 to 50:49

Sharing high school memories and past relationships.

“Yeah, just like walk to your next thing or whatever.”

First Date Conversation Topics

50:49 to 51:48

What to share or avoid discussing on first dates.

“She stayed in Pennsylvania, went to college there.”

True or False Game Challenge

51:48 to 55:14

Engaging in a fun game of true or false trivia.

“Don't you guys, I would like to hear that.”

Future Goals and Personal Growth

55:14 to 56:00

Setting personal goals for future improvement before the next podcast.

“So eight to 15 months from now, typically.”

Searching for a Favorite Vegetable

56:00 to 59:31

The hosts discuss their vegetable preferences and the quest for healthy eating.

“And three, I would like to find a vegetable that I genuinely like.”

Exploring Life's Realities

59:31 to 1:01:28

A conversation on the saying 'you win some, you lose most' and its implications.

“Oh, you know what we need to know before you go?”

Critique of Masculinity in Culture

1:01:28 to 1:04:32

A discussion on the pressures of masculinity and cultural expectations on men.

“I think I use it towards even like people and fans.”

Personal Experiences with Criticism

1:04:32 to 1:10:01

The hosts reflect on their experiences with public criticism and internet comments.

“Every once in a while, one will make it through to me.”

Discussing Anderson Cooper and Singing

1:10:01 to 1:10:35

Learn about Nick's experiences on talk shows and his reluctance to sing.

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Transcript

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1:17Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. Wave. Like I don't like to date. I don't like dates. I don't like. What? I'm not going to say that. I don't. You don't like what? Come on. Tell us. Getting to know people.

1:49Today's episode is presented by Intuit TurboTax. Now this is taxes. Nick, what the hell is going on with you? Hi. Hi. You were showing me your Legos before this. You're getting really into Legos. I've developed an addiction to Legos. Yeah. But they're really beautiful. I was showing them to you. I do the flower botanical ones. Yeah. It sort of is starting to look like I have an Asian fetish because I just keep doing like Japanese garden. It's starting to give white guy who owns a couple kimonos. Yeah. Which is a type of white guy that we try to avoid. Yes. They're mostly a peaceful people, by the way.

2:24Sure. White guys that are really into Asia. They're mostly a peaceful people. But if I'm talking to you and your instinct to say hello to me is to clasp your hands and bow. So that's going to be a different thing. Yeah. We're going to need to take a step back. This isn't memoirs of a geisha. Yeah. I don't. A white guy who gets really into Asia. It's been discussed on the pod before. I used to work with one of them. Okay. Let me tell you a story. When I was in Chicago and I worked at this one job that I had, we had to go on a work trip. and it was a company that didn't have a lot of money because it was a non-profit.

2:58I'll say that. I worked for a couple non-profits, so I don't feel like I'm giving the game away on this guy. I don't want to blow this guy spot up. But I worked in a non-profit and we went on a work trip, right? And we had to share hotel rooms. To where? To St. Louis. Exotic. From Chicago. Okay. We had to share hotel rooms with other staff, which is crazy. Sure. And he and I got paired together because the company was mostly women. So it was like me and him were the only guys going on the trip okay so we go we go and we we do the first day of work um he goes out that night with all of us and then he goes back early he's like hey i'm gonna go back and go to bed i go okay i go is it okay if i stay out he goes he goes yeah i go okay so i stay out a little bit i go back and then he's not there he's like gone somewhere else and i go okay he probably went out with some other friends he probably like knows people inst louis or something so i go back i'm like oh perfect i'll go to sleep then i go in the to the room i go to sleep in my bed right i i'm not a crazy snorer i i would say chances slept in many rooms with me i snore but it's not like the most absurd thing you've ever heard it's like a regular snore okay um i go to sleep and at one point in the middle of the night i awake to being struck to what i've been hit by something something has hit me i thought the ceiling fell on me something hits me really hard and i wake up i wake up because i've been hit really hard right and then i look and there's an additional pillow in my bed that isn't mine and i turn and i'm like freaked out and i turn and the guy that i work with is asleep in his bed and i go i go what i said what and he i wouldn't even know what to say in that situation is pretending to be asleep after he threw a pillow at me.

4:51And I was so freaked out. Because you've got to understand, I'm in dead, like deep rim sleep, and I wake up to that, and now he's pretending. That's alarming. It's crazy. And so I'm like, I don't even know what to make of it. So I text my friend Lauren, who works at the company. Right. She is an older woman who, she's an older black woman who, when they tried to tell her she was going to have to share a room with a white person, she said, I'm not sharing a room with a white person. Give me my own room. I respect that. queen. I respect that. And I would give anything. And she deserves her own room.

5:19She does, and so did I. But I'm happy for her, so I text her and I go, hey, can I please come to your room? Just did some crazy shit. And she goes, of course. I come in there, she got like a suite. She got a... She's like, do you want the pull-out? She's got a pull-out couch. I go, Lauren, can I sleep on the pull-out couch? She goes, of course. I go, what was all this? She goes, yeah, you can stay in here. I go, okay. So she and I stay up talking. I'm like, girl, he fucking threw a pillow at me. She's like, that's fucking crazy. I've never liked his ass. white guy who loves Asia. So we start ripping into that.

5:48So me and Lauren are kind of tearing him apart. Why did I think that white guy who loves Asia, you were going to say you woke up to a tea ceremony or something? Like I was waiting for you to drop the Asian bomb. He's doing like sword stuff in the corner. Literally. No, this just goes to the insidious nature of a sometimes, sometimes white guys who love Asia, there's something going on with them. And then, so I sleep in there. Not sometimes. I'm saying sometimes there's something going on with them and it doesn't become anyone else's problem and sometimes you share a hotel room and they hit you with a pillow so i sleep in lauren's room i shout out lauren i love her so much and then i the next morning i have to go back to my room to like shower and stuff i walk into the room the guy is in there and he goes he goes oh hey man i go don't i get in the shower and then while i'm in the bathroom he is like knocking on the door he goes hey when you're done can we talk for a second i feel really horrible and i was like i have nothing to say to you and he because that was insanity it's insane and he was like i'm really sorry i just i wasn't able to get any sleep because you were snoring and i just didn't know what else to do and i was like you're like 40 leave me alone i was uh at the time i was 23 i'm 23 years old and a 40 year old man has hit me with a pillow in my sleep okay i'm feeling insane it's not the pillow fight you were dreaming no i go you're like 40 leave me alone and then he goes Okay.

7:07And then I actually had put in my two weeks at that job before this trip. So you were really clocked out. I was went as a favor to the, to the group because they needed help on the trip. And I was like, I'm not going to leave you high and dry. And when we got back from my ex interview, I spent most of it talking about him. I was like, he hit me with a pillow. He's crazy. Get him out of here. I don't know whatever happened to him, but he was really in Asia. I think, you know, what happened to him. Yeah. Well, he's probably, yeah. He's probably in Taipei causing trouble. Literally. Yeah. He's over there doing some stuff he shouldn't be doing.

7:36Damn, he kamikaze'd you with a pillow. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. And then to pretend to be asleep at your big ass age. Right. Because also, I totally, by the way. But what would you want him to have done? First of all, you fucking deal with it. You either go get your own room or you put in earplugs, you put in headphones. I've slept, I have friends that snore crazy style. And you know what I do? Fucking headphones on. 100%. And if none of that works and you absolutely feel like you have to do something to me, a 23-year-old who's being forced to stay in a room with you, I would not have been happy about, but I would have accepted if he like gently nudged me awake and was like, Hey, I'm so sorry.

8:09Your snoring is, is causing me to not be able to sleep. Can I just like get to sleep really quick? And then you go back to sleep. I wouldn't like that, but that's like the nicest, most normal, you know? Yeah. How long had you been asleep at this point? Hours. Hours. No. I'm deep in sleep. This is like three, four in the morning. Crazy. crazy anyway white guys who love asia they can be a problem but mostly they're peaceful so it's hard it's mostly they just stay in their house and play with their swords and they don't really bother anybody from my experience i not my experience what are they doing to you again it's like you're bothered by the knowledge of their existence yeah and it's always bless um it's always again if i'm just trying to have a conversation and your go-to is to do Asian mannerisms to me that are offensive.

9:03I'm like, what? Yeah, sure. That makes sense to me. Did you know? Say it. This is going to get me in trouble. That's good. By the way, the one thing Nick said to me before this recording was, I'm not having fun on this show. I refuse. I refuse to have fun. So hurtful. And that's so true. But let's get you in trouble at least. So I'm aware this is going to anyone who watches our podcast. This is an early thing famously. So World War Two. Oh, I didn't realize Japan and Germany were in cahoots.

9:46OK. That did not even cross my mind. It should have crossed your desk. never made it to my desk and the reason I'm bringing that up is because we're talking about white men obsessed with Asia and it made me think of Japan and then now it's now made me think of World War 2 and it still is blowing my mind they were in cahoots because obviously we know about Hitler and we know about Pearl Harbor yeah we totally know about those I did not know there was a thread yeah the phantom thread you said you want to talk about white guys who love Asia how about Germany in the 1930s? How about white guys that know nothing?

10:29Yeah. I don't know why my brain just went there, but I, it's really. That really shocked you. It really shook you up. Yeah, I guess it makes sense, but like, why were they in cahoots? Oh, I don't understand the forces that brought all the powers to where they were in that situation. There was, I just learned though, and this maybe is me being a dumb guy. I didn't know there was like in the 90s, there was like a huge sweep of like specifically anti-Japanese sentiment in the United States. Did you know that? In the 90s? Yeah, because they, their production, there was like a big like Japanese scare in the 90s, I guess, of like politicians like basically freaking out that their production was taking over.

11:12They were going to become like the new world power. And it was like a big, I'm reading this book right now called How the Clock Broke. We'll put a cover of it right here in the video in the episode. The book is really good. right here put the cover there um the book is really good but this is one of the things it talks about is like like japanese technology and japanese technology yeah and like basically try all the different ways that um our politics became like a huge joke uh and like theater of absurdity in the 90s with like fucking like david duke like that uh kkk member who won a seat in louisiana back then like it became this big thing where a bunch of politicians at first people would be like oh you're insane isn't this funny and then they got like real traction and how that obviously has led to where we are now um but yeah i didn't know that speaking of kkk and skinheads i need to talk about something that's on my mind right i just went and saw the movie pillion okay and this is also going to get me in trouble which mateo specifically said on the phone walking here please do not do anything that's going to get you in trouble mateo mateo calling you before you go on other podcasts to be like, Nick, I am begging you.

12:22Literally. He was like, please do not say anything that's going to get us in trouble. And I'm like, what else is new? So I just watched the movie Pillion. Are you familiar? I'm like, it's gay guys having rough sex or something, right? Okay. So it's Alexandra Skarsgård and the guy from Harry Potter. It's like this BDSM. Daniel Radcliffe? No. He's the one that plays Dudley. He was also in Queen's Gambit. He was his cousin. yes so they're in this bdsm dumb sub relationship i don't like when someone asks for uh hitting hitting it stresses me out right in sex i know some of my girlfriends like it but i'm like i don't want to hit anybody i don't want to see anybody get hit i don't like that yeah i mean look i tried one time with someone to do were you the hitter or the hitty not hit i didn't try to do the hip but it was very much like i need to preface this with kinks were not I exchanged beforehand.

13:17So I didn't know that this was happening. And the person that I was getting intimate with out of nowhere just goes, you like that daddy? Yeah. That'll happen sometimes. I'm a step my best. Yeah.

13:34Yeah. I mean, come on now. Yeah. I mean, yeah. A father. I'm not the idea of someone calling you daddy is pretty insane. That crazy. But you know, I tried and I went with it and I said good boy and then it turned out that they weren't a boy and I didn't know their pronouns before so then it just really derailed and I felt horrible wait they were not a boy and then they were like hey don't they were upset literally they called me daddy and I was like this is the dynamic they want and I am a performer at the end of the day and I'm going to give them what they want and i said i said that's a good boy and they looked up at me and they go i'm not a boy

14:24were they were they she her because good girl would be easy or was it a they them situation that gets really tricky so then i already felt horrible so then i didn't want to be like well then what do you want me to say because then i've already ruined the moment and i didn't want to ruin it further so i was just like let's just power through yeah it didn't work yeah that's really tricky this is why we have to be having conversations beforehand sometimes i that would be yeah that really sucks good girl good boy and good girl both but also who could look at me and be like i'm gonna call them daddy i don't know anyone looking at me who's never even met you've never even met me and i guarantee you thought that i was gonna send your kids to boarding school yeah calling you daddy is insane there's nothing nothing paternal about me no no and it yeah it doesn't um yeah it doesn't make any sense to me to call you daddy during that moment they they didn't what did they want to did they tell you what they wanted to be called no they didn't say because they were upset they weren't upset they they politely corrected me which again they shouldn't have had to do that's on me no it's yeah this is the thing that happens when we don't talk beforehand that's right nobody's fault but i didn't want to like make it uncomfortable because we were already sort of like in the moment so i didn't want to be like so tell me what you want yeah i so i've done a pronoun check in the middle of sex before i and i should have i was so mortified that i've like offended this person everything so i was just like i just got caught and i was like i also was just still thrown that i looked like a daddy in this person's eyes yeah I don't maybe they thought it's what you wanted I'm having a hard wanted it's possible for you to want to be a daddy you might want you might be like oh I hope people see me as a daddy it's just not wearing this sweater you think I hope people see me as a daddy I don't know that's maybe what they were thinking there's no chance that they thought of you as a daddy I'm saying there has to be something so unless they do I give butch vibes hear me out i don't want to hear me out look i know it's a podcast and we're having fun i don't want to do this no we're going you know that you're not come on that how long have we been recording for and we've talked about skinheads yeah white men into asia yeah world war ii dynamics yeah we're gonna go there am i giving a little butch because this person felt like they could say daddy.

16:58So maybe am I giving daddy? Nick, no. Ignore the sweater. The sweater is like not even in the top 100 parts of the problem. No, you're not. Come on now. You're not giving butch. Now come on now. Go ahead and be part of what I'm talking about. You know that you're not giving butch. You're baiting me and I don't want to do this today. But someone specifically called me daddy which I did not ask for. So they must have thought in some capacity that I was giving daddy. Yeah. Maybe I don't, maybe I'm trying to make, I'm trying to square this. Is this a new thing that I should explore? I would be really, by the way, I would be really open to you exploring.

17:44I just bought two leather blouses from Zara. Tell me what you think that means. tell me what you think leather blouses from zara means for your daddy journey maybe i venture into leather daddy yeah but they are pleather and they're short-sleeved and button-up and they're from zara one is green yeah so yeah you're gonna look like one of the sexy m &ms before you look like a leather daddy but hear me out i'm hearing you out The red M &M is kind of giving daddy. No, it's not. But the yellow is giving sub. He's walking around with nut in him. Come on now. That's very funny and true. What do you want to give for real?

18:32What are you actually giving? I don't want to give daddy. I just want to be clear. I don't want to give daddy. I'm just saying that maybe this is a side of me that I didn't know that I had. You think you're going to explore it? Well, I don't necessarily want to explore it because I don't want to give daddy, obviously. Right. Okay. But if someone felt the need to say, I'm sorry that I keep looking over here, but it just feels weird not to look at people that are in the room. Yeah. And I know that I'm supposed to be looking at you. So I apologize. No, when you're talking about this, feel free to look at them.

19:04Look wherever you need to. I want to make you as uncomfortable as possible. If someone looked at me in the heat of the moment and said, daddy, it must have been for a reason that they were getting daddy. So maybe that's a side of me that I didn't know I was giving. Have you ever been around me and been like, wow, Nick's giving daddy? Nick, no. You can say no. I'm not trying to make that. It's a genuine question. No, but you know I haven't. You know what I mean? Like, you know I've never been around you and thought daddy. You know that. I've been around you and thought like, this guy might. Mommy.

19:39No, like cousin that I'm happy to see at an event every once in a while. or like

19:52or like girl girl in gym class that I felt allied with

20:01you know it's not there's no paternal maternal

20:15do you know what i mean this is crazy that i find out publicly you don't like me this is crazy that i am finding out in front of thousands of people hundreds of thousands being around hundreds of thousands millions maybe millions maybe no you don't like being around i'm saying if you can't backtrack now i'm saying if you force me to put you into a family dynamic i'm gonna make you my cousin that i don't get to see that often but that i'm happy when it happens i'm not gonna make you one of my parents my dad's dead and my mom's butcher than you

20:55you know what i mean sure yeah how did we get here how did we get here uh you um had you dead naming a bottom i was trying to talk about dating a long time ago yeah and then we got really 15 folds deep well that don't look at me no that's what the podcast is what is going on with dating are you going on dates at all no so one of my new year's resolutions which i am also going to say a lot of people have new year's resolutions and they don't stick to them i've been really good about it part of my new year's resolutions was to be healthier i have worked out every week this year so far awesome what kind of working every week through me but what what kind of well multiple times a week but not every day yeah but like a couple times a week and i went 34 years never working out once in my life.

21:45You're doing yoga or Pilates? Pilates. I can't do yoga because you're not allowed to talk. Yeah, that's not good for you. You're not going to be quiet in there. I tried one yoga class back in college and I started talking and they go, sweetie, this isn't for you. Yeah. And I said, you're right. You're right. So I've been doing Pilates. Yeah. I'm not good, but I'm doing, I'm getting my body moving. I've been eating healthier. year so i'm really sticking to my new year's resolutions except i said that i wanted to date more i haven't been on one date go on a date well i don't get matches to go on dates you i we're working on the profile are you do are you using premium yet did we talk about that what hinge premium i'm not paying for it you need to i don't know what to tell you because it's better because the frustrating thing about i can't even on the free version get people to match me you're looking at it the wrong way.

22:36You're going like, oh, even on the free version, I can't get it. When in fact, it's the opposite. The easier thing is to, you'll see the likes that you get on premium. So you don't have to fucking swipe all the time. You can just go, oh, that person liked me. I'm into it. Date. You know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. I mean, I've had this conversation with you in the past at our lunch and I talked about it on our podcast, but I will say, I think I'm a very self-aware person for the most part. And I'm aware, I'm a very specific person. So I feel like my pool of prospects is very limited. So I've come to terms with, I might not find anyone.

23:15And there's nothing wrong with that. There is nothing. I don't think that's your story, but there is nothing wrong with that. I think I just come to terms with, I'm very specific. You are. There are some people who are palatable to the masses. Yeah. To quote Elphaba, I'm not that girl. Yeah. And it's like, because my pool is very specific, the odds of me finding someone in that already limited pool is very limited. So it might not happen. I understand what you're saying. I don't agree. I think, yes, you're a specific person. Many specific people find a partnership, but I also wonder, do you act, do you care that much?

23:58Like, do you want it? I love being in a relationship. I would love to be in a relationship. I do not like the precursor finding it. Like I don't like to date. I don't like dates. I don't like. What? I'm not going to say that. I don't. You don't like what? Come on. Tell us. Getting to know people.

24:25I don't think that's true. No, hear me out. I like, we've spent like the last like two years getting to know each other. And I feel like we've had a great time. No, it's the first part of dating. Like, so where are you from? Oh, how many siblings do you have? If I could fast forward three months into knowing someone. So it's effortless, easy banter. Yeah. That's the sweet spot. But it's the like finding out all the like things you have to know about someone that I just can't stand any of that. So I don't do it. Well, what do you do with new friends? You make new friends pretty often, I feel like.

25:02And why does that not feel painful? Why don't you just do it the way you do new friends? I don't feel like I make new friends often. Or if I do, it's because I'm being introduced by a mutual friend. But in the times that you've made new friends in like the last 10 years. Right. Anyone who's come into your life. And I know a lot of people have come into your life in the last 10 years. What, after you get introduced, that part is like totally, It would be great if someone could just introduce you to a romantic partner. But after the introduction, when you're hanging out for the first time, second time, et cetera, does it feel painful to learn about their siblings and where they're from and their hobbies and all the things that you need to learn about them to know them?

25:39A little. Really? So that across the board is something. And not that I'm like, I don't care. I just find it like. Tedious. Tedious. Like, I wish I already knew that information so that we could get down to more like nitty gritty fun. interesting stuff. You could make a game of it. You could make a little flirting bit out of it. If you match with someone that you think is cute and maybe interesting, you could be like, hey, why don't you just send me all the boring details so that when we go out next week, we can get into the fun stuff. There's maybe a cute flirty. Wouldn't that be kind of cute and flirty?

26:15I think that'd be kind of fun. I would like that if someone did that. If someone was like, why don't you just tell me how many siblings you have, where you're from, what you studied, what you do for work, just send me maybe a document and I'll send you mine and then when we when we meet up next week, we can just like have, get into the fun stuff. I think there's a cute way to do that. Now I hear you. And I don't mean any offense by this statement, but this is coming from someone who sent a questionnaire after a date. Famously did not go well. It went so bad. I mean, so it went so bad. I hear you, but that was one time.

26:49And have you done it since? Not that particular. I've done a version of that bit. Okay. I have a lot. I have some texting bits that I like to do in dating that involve reviews, but I've definitely changed the approach to the review bit. Cause the Google doc was a lot of work on my part. And he was pretty honest in a way that I was like, that wasn't cute or funny. He gave me like a three on something. You know what I mean? It's like, don't pick three, pick five or one, even one would be funny. No, I'm, I would say in the big scheme of my cute flirting though, that's like one flop. It's mostly wins.

27:20Can I ask, would you prefer a friend introduce you to a potential romantic partner or find them through an app i'd rather find them some other way i actually don't want a friend to introduce me to my partner okay i don't want i don't want the messiness of it i don't want the like this is my best friend from college and we have 12 years of history if things go weird between you two i'm gonna have to make some choices and i don't like that either yeah my friend bob is relentlessly trying to set me up with people. I would accept it, by the way. I do think you should go on the dates. I tried it one time and the person was like, no.

27:57What do you mean? What do you mean they were like, no? They just stopped messaging. Bob connected us. Connected you guys. Yeah. We chatted a little and then they just stopped messaging back. I would need to know so much about. I'll tell you off camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But I would prefer not to be set up because I think it's a weird dynamic. Yeah. But okay. So you've met someone a different way. What is your ideal first date? Ideal first date? I actually don't like to go too cutesy on the first date because to me, a first date is so who knows. And so I try to save my cuter date ideas for like third, fourth.

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28:41When you know each other a little bit. We're making effort to see. because if we're going on a third date like i'm always out of town i'm always busy so like if we're going on a third date it's like we're moving shit around at this point like we're really working on this so a first date really would be like it's like a week night and i have plans later in the evening and we have an early evening drink or coffee situation okay 45 minutes is the plan and then if it goes well maybe the thing i have to go to afterwards is something they can come to or maybe uh i have a two-hour buffer before the next thing and we can like go to a second location but i like i like to have an easy out i like to be like i have something to do after this and it's soon you know what i mean yeah because if it's not a vibe it's like i'm not wasting my whole evening on this totally good great to get to know you had a good time i'll pay for the drinks and we got to go but i don't want to do yeah not a big involved crazy first date.

29:40Save it for once you know them. Save once you know them. And also if a first date's going really, really well, I have on many occasions canceled my thing afterwards to be like, let's extend the first date. Okay. I've turned a 45 minute drinks into a six hour first date because it was going great. That I love that. Okay. But it's nice to have that. Like, it's almost like putting a trip on your calendar and not knowing if you're going to get to go or not. It's like the, you'll know how bad you want to go on the trip or do the thing that would keep you away from the trip based on what your decision is and so it's like if i plan something exciting for after a first date and i want to cancel it because the thing is going so well uh the date is going so well then that means i should because it's you know it's like the feeling will tell you what you need to know yeah yeah but yeah a good a good little 45 minute drinks is a nice move okay and is it in those 45 minutes have you already texted all of the like where are you from or do you like to save that for the date to me that's the point of a first date it's like it's an appointment it's like the i'm not i i don't want to talk on a dating app for more than like a day i want to talk for like a day and then be like when are we meeting up you want to go you really want to go long on the messages because i don't again i don't go on that many dates ever but it's like i would rather figure that all out via messaging before i'm going to spend time to meet you in person yeah i don't know maybe that's the wrong mindset to have i don't think wrong mindset i just also think if it's something you want i want to i want to see it for you but if it's also something that you're like like i would say i didn't spend most of my 20s really dating with any intention because i was like i just have a lot of fun hanging out with my friends and i don't really need that and then at the end of my 20s i was like oh man i really I really, I really, my friends are getting into relationships or I was like, actually just hanging out with my friends forever is not going to cut it.

31:31So maybe I'll get there then in the end of my twenties. Maybe at the end of your twenties. I mean, you're so like, yeah, you're 23 right now. And like, I'm fresh. You have so much to learn and experience. I'm just exploring life at this point. You're practically a fetus.

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35:13Let's practice. Ask me a question. Let's practice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On your 45 minute. You want to do... Just ask me a question. It doesn't need to play a whole scene. Just ask me a question. So you've done it with Mateo and now you want to try it with me. Yeah, because maybe I'm only combative with him. Okay. Okay. So where are you from? Pennsylvania. Nice. What part? North of Scranton, a very small town of only 700. My dad happens to be the mayor. Your dad's the mayor? He is. Whoa. Republican or Democrat? Democrat, but wins both the tickets because no one else runs against him. Damn, that's cool.

35:46Do you go back very often? No. So there's a lot. I could just say from the jump, there's a lot of dead end answers. Okay. And I hear that. And it might be helpful to return the question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear that. We're early in this. No, we're early. So we're warming up. I hear that. Oh, that's really cool. Where are you from? Missouri. What part? A really small town north of Kansas City. When you say small, how small? Not as small as yours. So it's not small. So that would be, that's where I would. So it gets combative. I don't know. That would be where I would stop you. Okay. Yeah. And I hear that now.

36:22Yeah. I do. I hear that. That would be where I would stop you. I thought that that was being like fun and playful. I would go for connection over distance. Okay. On a first date. So how small? Yeah.

36:35No, that was better. Now, come on now. Yeah, it's like 5 ,000 people. Okay, that is small. Yeah. Do you know the mayor? I actually don't remember who the mayor was, but I'm trying to think of who the mayor was when I was growing up. It's funny because we moved a lot when I was a kid, so I have different pieces of information about different small towns that we lived in. Was your parents in the military? Is that why you moved around? No, we were just poor. question. That was a really good question. Okay. I'm learning. And that was a really good question because also the odds were pretty good that you were going to be right.

37:07When someone says they moved a lot, it's often military. Right. Yeah. So connection. Really good. Really good, Nick. I'm fucking nailing this. Yeah. Okay. So I think we kind of just now mastered like the... Not being so combative. We mastered not being so combative. We mastered sending a question back to the other person. Why don't you initiate? Why don't you initiate now with me? Like I'm on the date with you. Initiate something playful. You said you hate small talk. You hate the getting to know each other. So initiate to me something that would be more interesting to you. We've moved past the small talk.

37:40We know everything about each other now. Initiate something that you'd like to talk about. Okay. Okay.

37:48The steak is so good.

37:55It's a really, really good steak. god i can't get over how good the steak is are steaks from kansas what'd you say what's that company with the steaks you're talking about omaha nebraska nebraska yeah okay yeah but they have ranches in kansas right totally yeah i bet there are some really good have you been on a ranch sorry let's take time no that was inquisitive and good it was the way you were looking at me it was the way you were looking at me have you been on a ranch and then kind of the walk-in was really scary um yeah okay yeah but that's the kind of stuff you're dying to get to no okay but you initiated with the steak so i was trying just killing time okay you're right you're right okay i'm gonna initiate yeah yeah yeah okay if you i can't say that yeah you can yeah you can go with your gut it's good we can learn from it okay if you you have to you have to this is how we learn there could be other people out there who need to hear this go ahead i'm gonna go with my gut that's the first thing popped in my mind okay if you were gonna die tomorrow yeah i'm gonna stop you there no hold on no hear me out okay i will I will.

39:18If you were going to die tomorrow, what would be your perfect final day? Oh, I actually like that. Yeah, I like that. Can we make some noise for that? Maybe I could have phrased it differently. Yeah. I think you could just say, what's your perfect day? Sure. Now bring up death. Yeah, but also you could bring up death. I just think perfect day would probably be just as interesting. Okay. Okay. What's your perfect day if you were going to die tomorrow? Okay. Yeah. And then I would answer that's a really good initiation. Okay. Okay. Try another one. now all i can think about is what would your last meal be i don't why i'm focused on death right now yeah death is kind of um okay yeah i get out of the way blah think about life okay think about life we're getting death out okay yeah i do ask this question okay you go to an airport tomorrow money is not an option or not a object object um where would you go Oh, I'm going to the airport and I'm just picking a location.

40:17You can go anywhere. Money doesn't matter. Where would you go? Okay. Do I get to stay as long as I want? You can do whatever you want. Stay as long. Nothing matters. You can just go wherever you want. God, in this moment, it's so cold in New York right now. I feel like I would probably go somewhere warm. Okay. So I'm going to say we're narrowing down to warm spots right now because Asia is really big on my list this year. Genuinely. I know. After everything we said. I know. But just we're on a, it's a fake date. I really want to go to Tokyo really badly. I've never been, but I don't want to go right now.

40:48So warm places that I'd like to go right now. Maybe I'd go to the south of Spain, like southern Spain, or it depends. Because I think if I went somewhere closer, I could get friends to go with me. Okay. So maybe I'd go somewhere like I'd just go to Florida or something. If I could get friends, I'd get a bunch of friends to go with me. because I can't get all my friends to go to Spain. You go to the airport tomorrow and you could go anywhere and you chose Florida. This is what you can't do. You can do that to me on the podcast. You can't do that to me on a date. Why? That's fun and playful. No, on a date, you got to go with it.

41:24You got to be excited because it's a first date. No, it's like ribbing you. That's like fun to do. Okay, go. Go for your ribbing me. You would go to Florida. You were going to the... So just to be clear, you brought up Japan, which I'm not going to lie, a little concerning. Yeah. Southern Spain. and then you settled on anywhere in the world you could fly to, you chose Florida. Yeah, because we didn't say in the rules that anyone else could also make it work. Are we living in a world of reality where any of my friends can also go? I thought I made it pretty clear at the beginning there were no objects or rules.

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43:22Bundling. Just another way to save with the personal price plan. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. I'm so sorry. That would be a huge turnoff to me. Okay. If you ever said on a date to me that you thought you made it pretty clear about something, I would absolutely be so turned off. I'm going to be single forever. No, you're not. Because I also wasn't showing up as my best self in that interaction. Okay. So guess what I did? I didn't live in a world of possibility.

43:57Blame to share. There's definitely blame to share. Okay. So it's not just me. No, it's not just you. In this moment, I did not show up in my best in that interaction. Okay. Where in Florida? That's great. That's really great. Where in Florida? Oh, God, I don't know. I just think it would be so easy to get a big house in Florida. What about the Keys? The Florida Keys. Okay. I've never been. I heard it's gay. It's very gay. I've heard. I've also never been. Is that where they made key lime pie? Yes. Huh. Look how good this is. I don't like key lime pie. See, that would be a problem, right? That would be.

44:33that would be because it's not necessarily that it's not a problem that you don't like key lime pie do you guys agree with me that that would be weird to say right there i don't like key lime pie is like don't pressure them that's okay it's weird well because i'm not questioning myself on that one but i do think i'm right that like maybe if i say it differently okay did you say is that where they made key lime pie yeah yeah i think that's where it was invented you know i've never really liked key lime pie that's yes that's exactly correct yeah i'm fucking nailing this This is crazy. That's the difference, though.

45:03Did you feel that? Sure. Big energy shift. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different than what's your favorite pie? Yes. Let's go. What do you do for Thanksgiving? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is good. I actually don't like Thanksgiving. So again, I'm more of a Christmas person. Yeah, ish. No. It's just going to be too many in a row. Where are you, Chris? Again, about. it's again about too many things you don't like i think okay that might be focusing on the negative yeah yeah yeah like if you don't care but if you don't like thanksgiving and don't want to hear about it maybe start by asking something else okay you know instead of going down every everything can't be a road to what you don't like sure you know i do want to go to japan we talked about this i know i do too i just can't do a flight that long i know it's really hard i don't fit on planes you don't have to tell me about it brother it's just like when you're tall you're limited try being fat try being tall and fat and I'm telling you I'm uncomfortable no matter what I'm even in those pods I'm up there I'm buying the nicest seats they got and it's not getting much better right and it's like 16 hours or something it's quite a bit better but I can't do that it's too long I get bored and people are like oh just watch movies I'm like do what you would do on the ground I'm like no it's not the same it's the freedom I feel boxed in.

46:25I feel like I'm in prison. I feel boxed in. I feel caged. Like a caged animal. Because you know what I can do on the ground? Go somewhere else. Exactly. Even if I don't, I could. And you will. And I will. And the food. I can't. It's like stuck on there for 16 hours and the only option I have for a meal is what they're serving. Yuck. I can bring some stuff, but it's not going to be right. That I don't mind. The food is not super important to me. See, it's really important to me. I eat the same thing every day. You do. Dunkin' every morning. Dunkin' every morning. chipotle every lunch yeah i've been getting um healthy meals delivered to me oh yeah like the ones mateo does no different ones different what are what are they factor you're doing factor i'm doing factor he has like a whole like yeah trainer this is a different thing what's good what how's factor going do you like it i do i will say it's it's an adjustment because it's not a lot of food normally I only eat twice a day I eat Chipotle for lunch and a big bowl and then I eat a big dinner and because the factory meals are much smaller portions and healthy food also if you want people to eat healthy we have to make it taste better yeah it's finding the healthy things that you actually like that you can eat a lot of right and I'm not saying that factor doesn't taste good like I have found things that taste good.

47:49It's just not a lot of food. So it's been an adjustment because I'll eat it and then I'm starving after still. Yeah. And now that I'm a fitness person, you're a fitness person. You're doing Pilates. You're, uh, I just tried an arm workout with Bob the other day. How was it? What was the arm workout itself or was it working out with Bob? Like what was the, I love spending time with Bob. But you liked working out with Bob? No. Okay. Well, I will never like to work out. Right. Like, I do Pilates. I don't love to do it, but I just do it because I have to. Yeah. But, like, I don't like gyms. I don't particularly like the vibe or environment in a gym.

48:32I don't really like moving my body in that way. Yeah. No. I'm not going to focus on the negative. Yeah. Working out isn't for me. That's not not focusing on the negative, but I think that one's okay. I don't think I would bring it up on a first date, but yeah. Okay. It's just more about the things you love. Is there a way that you like to move your body? Do you like to go on long walks? I love to walk. This is great. I love to walk. Yeah.

49:06Where? Do you like to go to the park? Do you just like to walk? Honestly, just walk. Yeah, just like walk to your next thing or whatever. Or wherever, just go for a walk. Yeah, that's nice. That's honestly most of my first dates are just like, let's just go grab a coffee and walk around. I love that as a first date. I think that's so fun. Yeah, that's about the only movement that I get. Is walking. Walking is the best movement you can get. And now Pilates. I think. And now Pilates. Right. Running is actually randomly like so bad for you. I'm not running. I would like to. I want to get this thing that people are talking about.

49:39I don't do. I've tried a couple times. All I did was hurt my back and my legs. I tried track one time growing up, and I got shin splints immediately, and I only scored one point, and my mother said she had never been more embarrassed of me in her life, and I did musical theater, so that's saying something. Your mom said that? She did. In her defense, I was embarrassingly bad. I limped around the track. The whole audience had to wait for me to finish before they could set up the next event. That's okay. And I don't know why I joined because I don't run. Yeah. But I did it because I thought the shorts were cute.

50:14Yeah. And they are. And I was straight at the time. They're cute. How long were you straight? Till college. I had a girlfriend in high school. Really? Yeah. And where is she? Married with two kids. Shout out, Brittany. Brittany, thank you, girl. Did you guys - She's a nurse practitioner. She's really doing the thing. Did you guys stay - I picked out her prom dress when we went to prom. I knew that. Did you guys stay together when you went to college? or was it over by then? No, it was over by then. Oh, got it. Okay. I came to college here in the city and basically came out that year. Yeah. And did she come to the city too, or did she go somewhere else?

50:49She was a year older. She stayed in Pennsylvania, went to college there. Oh, nice. Yeah. Shout out Brittany. Yeah, shout out Brittany. Really, her life is great. Have you seen her recently? I haven't. We message each other, I mean, like once in a blue moon, but I mean, we follow each other on socials. She really, she has wonderful kids, wonderful husband, a great job. They just bought a huge house. Whoa. She's really doing the thing. Damn. You should have her on your podcast. I should. That'd be a great interview. I did. I chose her prom dress. It was floral and beautiful. Do you stand by it to this day?

51:22100%. Yeah, it was a great dress. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't stand by what I wore, but. What'd you wear? It was like a light gray tux. I looked like Pee Wee Herman. But I had Zac Efron's sort of high school musical hair. No, you did not. I was obsessed with high school musical. Oh my God. I went and saw it nine times in theaters. That's also a tell. Yeah. And I stole the decorations from the movie theater to decorate my locker. Wow. Wow. Should I bring that up on a first date? Yeah. I think that's actually pretty fun. Okay. Don't you guys, I would like to hear that. I think that's nice. You'd rather hear that than things I don't like.

52:02Totally. Totally. And also anything weird or kind of anything, yeah, things you did as a kid are far enough in the past that it's like, yeah, if it's really silly, like going and seeing that movie nine times. Like if you told me right now that you had gone and seen like the latest teen movie nine times last week and you stole the decorations for your house. You'd be concerned. Be different, right? But things you did as a high schooler are like, oh, that's funny. That's cute. Nick, I have a game for you. I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false.

52:35You get 10 or more correct. We're going to give you 50 US dollars. Damn. You ready to play? I'm pretty good at true and false. I believe you actually. You ready? I'm ready. Sometimes people say that and I'm like, I don't know, but I actually think you're going to be good at this. Okay. Judy Garland's real name was Irene Morgan. False. False. Francis gum. Dwayne Reed is older than Walgreens. True. False. The Green Bay Packers won the first ever Super Bowl. What? The Green Bay Packers won the first ever Super Bowl. False. True. True. Human circulatory system is over 60 ,000 miles long. False. True.

53:07What? The baby on the Simpsons is named Maggie. True. True. New Milford, Pennsylvania has a population of 1 ,100 people. False. False. It's 812. Blue whales are the largest animals that have ever lived on Earth. True. True. RuPaul was born in San Francisco. False. False. San Diego. The Tonight Show is older than the Today Show. True. False. The Grand Canyon is in New Mexico. Huh. I've never thought about that. No, I've never been there. Isn't it in multiple states? So I'm going to say false. False. It's in Arizona. Blue Ridge High School does not have a boys wrestling team. False. True. Mercury is the farthest planet from the sun.

53:52What? Mercury is the farthest planet from the sun. False. False. It's the closest. Muhammad Ali was six foot three. Oh, true. True. The Tony and Tony Awards is short for Antoinette. I'm going to say false, but I wish it was true. It is true. Oh. There are no Duncan locations in Italy.

54:19It's true. How do you do? Ten. Whoa. And an addendum. An addendum. There is a boys wrestling team. There is. So I did give that to you. I had to go and practice. Thank you. But the school's so small, it was almost impossible to find out. The only reason I know is because when I was there just a couple years ago, it was like the only sport that would win awards. It was like the boys' wrestling team. Awards. It was the only sport that would win awards. Totally. The competitions. Yeah. Actually, your wrestling story is one of my favorite stories. I need to figure out if I'm going to put that in my next hour.

54:58It's so funny. Thank you so much. I love that one. It didn't make it into the last hour, but I feel like I might squeeze it into the next one. You did it at Bell House when I went and saw it. It was so funny. Thanks, Nick. It's so funny. That's so sweet of you. Before you go, I want you to tell me what are three things you're going to do before you come back on the show. So eight to 15 months from now, typically. So you will have me back on the show. Yes, I'll have you back on the show. what are three things I'm going to, I'm trying to start asking people this. Okay. What are three things that you'll do before then?

55:36Okay. Okay. We're going to check in on them. Okay. I am going to, well, I don't want to say go on a date because 18 months from now, I will likely have gone on a date, but I will try to go on numerous dates with one person. Okay. we're gonna try to get multiple dates deep with one person by then yes okay put this down somewhere got it okay multiple yes that's one thing write it down yes um two i'm gonna do a career one i would like to get representation and perform more and audition for more things okay get representation and perform more and audition for more things we're gonna count those all as one Yeah, yeah, yeah.

56:18Okay. Representation and all that it entails. Yes. Got it. And three, I would like to find a vegetable that I genuinely like. Oh, okay. We can work on this. Yeah. I like that. You haven't had any luck with any of them so far? Vegetables. So if you had to twist my arm, I would eat a Brussels sprout. That's a wild. I like Brussels sprouts, but that's just a wild. Usually non-vegetable people. But I'm not like I need a Brussels sprout or I want a Brussels sprout. It's more so like, well, I have to eat healthy. So if I have to eat healthy, I guess a Brussels sprout is the only one that I can like choke down.

57:00Yeah. I would like to find a vegetable because they do visually look good and appealing. Yeah. I would like to find one that I'm like, I really like eating this vegetable. Have you spent much time around the squash family of foods? Does that count as a vegetable? That's a vegetable, right? Butternut, honey nut, squash. I haven't spent a lot of time, but I haven't. I've tried a bite. Yeah, and it wasn't for you. Not for me. Yeah, and broccoli is a no-go. So broccoli and asparagus are the other two that like. Sounds like you've listed three vegetables already that you're pretty comfortable with.

57:44But I don't like them. They're just ones that I'm like, okay, I'm trying to eat healthier. So they're the only ones that I can choke down and are palatable. I want to find one that I'm like, wow, I really enjoy eating this. Corn? You ever get in the corn salsa at Chipotle? So I do get the corn salsa, but I have them only put a little bit in. So I don't know it's there. Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Okay, so we're going to, and you're not liking, you're not doing the fajita peppers, I'm assuming. No. Right. I can't do spicy. I'm truly trying to think of what they have at Chipotle that we can start with.

58:19Because I'm like, that feels like the easiest. Well, I don't mind onions. That's a vegetable, right? Or is it a fruit? Onions are a vegetable, I believe. Yeah. Okay. Because you know how tomato, they're like, what's not doing? Tomatoes really cracked my whole worldview open. When they started doing fruit with tomato, I was like, well, I might not know anything. I also don't like tomatoes. In any circumstance? I guess a marinara sauce, but like the tiniest amount. It's just touching the noodle. I don't want it like swimming in the noodle. Yeah. But onions I could do, but not always. Yeah, onions aren't a very substantive vegetable.

58:52I'd like to get something that can really like something hearty. I'd like to get into something hearty. Sure. Mushrooms are the devil's vegetable. Mushrooms are not even a vegetable. They're a fungi. So don't talk to me. But are fungi vegetables? I don't believe so. They both come from the ground. That's a great question. Chance, Google. Also, I need a BLT for lunch so bad. Michelle, can we find a BLT for lunch? I want a BLT crazy style. Oh. Fungi, including mushrooms, are not vegetables. They belong to their own distinct biological kingdom separate from plants. Wow. Boom. It really makes you think.

59:27It makes you think. So that's the third thing. We're going to get a vegetable that you like, and mushrooms don't even have to be in the picture. Yes. Okay. I love it. I love it, too. Oh, you know what we need to know before you go? My so true. What's so true to you? I keep forgetting to do that. The name of the show. Truly. What is so true to me? I feel like we did a lot of so trues this episode. Yeah. Okay. When I was very little, one of my grandmothers would say this constantly, and I quote it to this day, and I find it to be so true. You win some, you lose most. Most. that is really interesting you win some you lose most what does that mean to you it means most things that you do will not turn into anything or not be good or anything but there will be sprinkles of things that really are do you find it uh like motivating energizing to think of most things not working out and some like how does it does it feel negative or positive to you?

1:00:34I think a little bit of both. I think it's a very real thing. I mean, that's life. Not everything is going to work out. Even the most successful people in the world that you see, not everything worked out for them. So odds are, if you go in with the mindset that you win some and you lose most, I think you're managing your expectations. You're not going in being like, I'm going to win most and only lose here and there. So that if it doesn't turn into anything or you fumble at something, then it's like, well, you win some, you lose most. I think I have the thing you were talking about. Going into things and thinking you're going to win most and lose a few, that's, I think, my thing.

1:01:10And interestingly, that's Bob's thing as well, and you two are some of the most successful people I know. So maybe I need to change my mindset. No, but I like them both. I think I tend more towards the idea that I'm going to win most things and just lose a few. But I think it's also, and it doesn't even necessarily have to do with like events or functions or anything in that sense. I think I use it towards even like people and fans. I mean, you know, some people, they genuinely, like if someone doesn't like them or someone leaves a bad comment or something, it has ruined their entire week, day, month, year.

1:01:50Yeah. And to me, I just constantly go with the mindset of you win some, you lose most. the likelihood of everyone liking you is never going to happen yeah so i don't care if people don't like me yeah in the comments they can say the meanest things they want to me makes me laugh i don't give a shit yeah yeah you win some you lose most yeah i read something recently about the way that all these like looks maxing right-wing guys are actually submissive like they're submissive to the expectations of other men and like, like the way that they're like trying to shape and form and form and mold themselves into being what other men think of as good looking men.

1:02:31And I was really interested by that. And I've been thinking about it a lot. The number of people in the culture right now that are supposedly trying to take up this like powerful, tough person persona. And then they're just so weak and hollow that it's like, I mean, Donald Trump's a perfect example. JD Vance is actually a better example of just, insert Republican man. Right, totally. I mean, but the purest example of it is somebody like J.D. Vance, who's like, he tries to posture as this like tough guy, like we're not having this bullshit from the Democrats, you know, thing. Ron DeSantis. Yeah, and then just hollow, flip-flopping, morally vacuous, like fucking loser, pathetic.

1:03:09Like J.D. Vance flipping on Trump just so he can get a position is like the most pathetic, weak shit I've ever seen in my life. And then they try to posture like they're like the new authority on manhood. It's insane. Lindsey Graham. Well, Lindsey Graham's a different example. Lindsey Graham's a different thing. He's flip flopping. All right. But it's, but it's not on the issues. He's lubed up in a San Francisco alleyway getting fucking turned into a Muppet. Truly, truly. And then the next week we'll be in Congress being like, this is what men should be. Yeah. It's insane. It's completely insane.

1:03:45Yeah. But he, yeah, there's, yeah. it's an interesting split. A lot of these newer Republican guys are really obsessed with the manliness, manhood, protect our men and boys thing. And so are the women. Well, yeah, but they're, yeah, they're, I mean, like you talk about like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor green and those people, it's like, I don't, their particular pathologies are beyond me. Um, I don't understand enough about what's going on with, I don't understand how a woman gets that far gone. Cause I have so much, I think like women are so much more naturally, uh, empathetic and smarter than that, then it's hard for me to process a woman being that callous and stupid.

1:04:23Yeah. But yeah, with men, it makes so much more sense. I mean, I have theories of how they got over, but... Right. Well, mostly QAnon, I think is... Sure. Yeah. Your comments usually love you, right? I don't really read them anymore. Every once in a while, one will make it through to me. Like, it'll get screenshotted and DM'd to me a bunch, and I'll happen to catch it when I'm viewing my stories or whatever um but for the most part i don't read i don't care i don't care what i just don't care i read them because i find it funny yeah truly nothing offends me yeah i did see some people got genuinely mad at me um when i did trixie's makeup because i didn't do a good job some some a couple of her fans got genuinely mad at me like someone so someone was like um someone someone commented and was like it looks like caleb's never seen a person before which was funny and not a big deal and then somewhere pride and was like actually he really enjoys making people look stupid and once you realize that it's hard to not see and it's like i feel like i was just fucking around with my friend actually right i don't think how did we get from me doing a bad job at makeup to the here crazy but this is the thing of like strangers on the internet who have no power in their lives making like crazy wild drawn out assumptions about these strangers that like that person has a parasocial relationship with both me and trixie 100 trixie in a positive way me in a negative way and so yeah sometimes the comments that's why you have to i can't read anymore i don't see almost any of it yeah they genuinely i again we mutually know some people that comments really i know send them but for me i i don't know why it truly nothing i mean i genuinely i had famously lizzo make a video calling me the failure of the u.s education and every comment was our fans being like yeah nick might not know anything but but he's ours.

1:06:15Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's ours. Yeah, and it might be an idiot, but he's our idiot. All right, well. Yeah. And she's not wrong, but it's like... She's not, but... No, I think she is. I don't think you're a failure of the US education system. Who's your favorite musician right now that you're, like, obsessed with listening to?

1:06:38Been listening to a lot of Amber Mark. Been listening to a lot of Orion Sun. been listening to what else have we been listening to Michelle those are the big ones Olivia Dean oh I've been putting Michelle through hell have you listened to Sienna Spiro I was on Sienna Spiro a long time ago I was on Sienna Spiro before the Redbone cover I was there I've been putting Michelle through hell with the Olivia Dean oh my god what's the um the fucking let alone the one you love oh let alone the one you love I have been putting Michelle through the ringer with let alone the one you love we've been listening to it five times a day minimum I'm on that she's just one and I feel the same about Sienna they're just artists that you can listen to multiple times in a day because it's just so easy yeah yeah god damn I really am listening to Olivia Dean.

1:07:39But I was with Olivia Dean also a long time ago. I've been so happy to see her blow up because I was back like when she had the album cover of her in the little jean shorts, the white album cover, or like the purple one where she, the record that she put, I Could Be a Florist. Do you know that track? No. Really. She's been putting out great music for a very long time. Can I actually say something that maybe I shouldn't admit? Tell me now. I don't really listen to much music. that's okay like i don't have a spotify account apple music none of that if i ever listen to music i pull it up on youtube wow but that's the hardest way to do it but that maybe that's why tova my manager tova doesn't listen to music at all yeah i don't and i have an opera background i performed almost my whole life but we sing opera for us right now i won't i did on anderson cooper's talk show why would you do it for anderson cooper and not me well it was rant i wasn't supposed to.

1:08:34Yeah. I, my boyfriend at the time I was here for college and we got tickets to Anderson Cooper's very short lived talk show. And the opening comic was like out in the audience, warming people up. And she came to a spot and she was like, this is Anderson's favorite spot to stand. And it happened to be right next to my chair. And I was like, Oh, this is cool. She's like, so let's practice. If he talks to you, you just stand up. So she turns to me, I stand up and she's asking me questions. She was like, what do you do? And I was like, I sing opera. And she's like sing for me and i was like it's seven in the morning you guys didn't provide coffee i'm not singing yeah so then they went and got me coffee they made me sing yeah i didn't think anything of it the show went on halfway through the show they came up and they go what was the name of that aria you sang and i told them they're like oh okay show goes it's the end of the show i see anderson walking out to the audience to end of the show he stops right next to me the producers come and they go, Nick, we need you to stand up.

1:09:29And I go, Oh, okay. And they go, you're going to sing the episode out. I go, what? And they go, you're on in three, two, one. I was like, what? And Anderson was like, every day we learn about our audience and Nick here's going to sing an aria. And I just stood there and sang, but you want to hear the really beautiful part? Yeah. My grandma who's passed and one of truly my favorite people ever to exist, um, never watches the Anderson Cooper talk show and that morning happened to have it on in the background she called me and she was just like were you just on the anderson cooper talk show i never have it on all of a sudden i heard in the other room your singing voice and i go i know who that is no that's so sweet that makes me want to cry i know that's so sweet i never knew he had a talk show by the way it was one season yeah no worries yeah yeah oh and i sang on live with kelly and michael you sing on every show but mine.

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