Rosebud Baker has a Tall Baby

9 Oct 2025 · 1 h 7 min · 45 chapters

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In short

Rosebud Baker and Andy discuss parenting and addiction (especially vaping), guilt from being away for comedy, faith as a flexible concept, and how life changes after pregnancy. They also talk about sexuality and community (gay men, lesbians, and “gay camps”), plus Rosebud’s stand-up special structure around being pregnant and then a year postpartum.

Guests

Rosebud Baker is a comedian and mother who did a stand-up special spanning her pregnancy and life after having a kid; she also describes earlier work including a reality show for Sundance Channel and teaching yoga to Hasidic Jewish women in Brooklyn. Andy is the host (HeadGum podcast), a fellow comedian who co-discusses topics like vaping, God, and relationships.

Key claims

Vaping can replace other addictions; guilt about performing/being away can be intense for parents; “God” can be whatever helps recovery; after pregnancy, friends can drift and partners can disappoint; gay men would thrive in “camps” by finding ways to have fun; skincare can be framed as ritual rather than self-improvement.

Notable examples

a bodega incident where Rosebud is punched in the head by teenagers while buying a vape; her daughter calling “mama’s on stage”; her stand-up special edited into “pregnant” vs “after a year” versions; IVF/miscarriages before conceiving; Wellbutrin restoring libido; Hasidic hat etiquette and Grindr rumors.

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Chapters

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Parenting Humor: Where's Mama?

0:05 to 0:45

Caleb and Rosebud share a humorous anecdote about a child looking for their mother.

“Like last night she was in the bath and I heard her, you know, she was like, where's mama?”

Vaping and Motherhood

0:45 to 1:41

Discussion about vaping as a mother and the associated feelings of humiliation.

“Vaping is, do you, I want to ask you this and I don't want you to take it personally.”

Addiction and Acceptance

1:41 to 2:25

Rosebud shares her journey of addiction and how she copes with it now.

“There's been so many things that I've been embarrassed of that I have gotten used to.”

Teenage Encounter: The Punch

2:25 to 3:03

A dramatic and funny encounter with teenagers that led to a surprising punch.

“The idea of going outside and being like, I think I should punch that bitch in the head and then coming back in and punching you in the head.”

Reflections on Youth

3:03 to 3:47

Reflections on how teenagers are perceived and the concept of youth in society.

“Because she goes, do you want to get punched, bitch?”

Parenting Anxiety: The Future

3:47 to 5:05

Concerns about raising a child with comedian parents and the impact on their future.

“I was like, I thought I would, I didn't even have the courage to say ouch out loud.”

The Struggle of Comedy

5:05 to 6:55

Discussion about the hardships and struggles of pursuing a career in comedy.

“If she ends up in comedy, we fucked up in a way that we can't fix.”

Astrological Insights

6:55 to 9:47

A light-hearted conversation about astrology and how it relates to their personalities.

“You know, different guys that I've dated.”

The Need to Leave

9:47 to 10:31

A humorous take on the desire to leave social situations once the decision is made.

“I do it in my own apartment if I'm leaving with my husband and kid Yeah.”

God and Personal Beliefs

10:31 to 12:25

Exploration of their thoughts on God and spirituality, including personal experiences.

“Put the fucking sandwich in your mouth and put your jacket on or whatever.”
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Materialism and Values

12:25 to 13:14

Discussion on the concept of material possessions and what truly matters.

“If you like a Ferrari, it could be your fucking Ferrari.”

Skincare Routines and Self-Care

13:14 to 14:00

Insights into skincare routines and the challenges of self-care as a parent.

Skincare and Self-Care Struggles

14:00 to 15:00

The hosts discuss their skincare routines and the emotional weight of self-care.

“I'm like, this thing is too much to keep up.”

Embracing Aging with Humor

15:00 to 16:00

The conversation shifts to the acceptance of aging and the privileges tied to gender.

“that doesn't take too much time and I don't have to sweat.”

Motherhood Reflections

16:00 to 17:00

The hosts share thoughts on motherhood and the challenges of parenting.

“Honestly, the best part so far was having a kid.”

Camp Jokes and Social Commentary

17:00 to 18:00

The hosts make jokes about societal issues while referencing camps.

“Oh, I wish I could get someone pregnant.”

Camps and Community

18:00 to 19:00

Discussion about the idea of community and what it would mean in a camp scenario.

“I've said for years, since the first time Trump got elected, I said, one way or another, gay camps are coming.”

Identity and Disguise

19:00 to 20:00

The conversation turns to disguises and how to hide one's identity.

“Yeah But I will I'm gonna be a coward And I will pretend to be Christian Totally Yeah Well you might not escape the camps You're sort of a foul-mouthed woman They won't find me They won't find me What do you mean?”

Random Life Experiences

20:00 to 21:00

The hosts share their unexpected life experiences and their randomness.

“You were saying off camera that you have big tits.”

Reality Shows and Cultural Curiosities

21:00 to 23:00

A dive into the hosts' experiences in reality shows and cultural observations.

“But I have lived kind of like a Forrest Gump life.”

Conversations with Hasidic Communities

23:00 to 25:00

Hosts discuss their curiosity about Hasidic communities and their interactions.

“There's not enough talk about Rachel McAdams.”

Exploring Relationships and Future Plans

25:00 to 27:00

The hosts explore their relationship dynamics and future dating intentions.

“If they would invite me over, I would come hang out.”

Stand-Up Special Insights

27:00 to 28:00

Discussion of the host's stand-up special and the experiences surrounding it.

“I mean, you getting a divorce in like 10 years and then just exclusively switching to women.”

Transition to Stand-Up Discussion

28:00 to 28:34

The conversation shifts towards Rosebud's stand-up special and experiences during pregnancy.

“And they're getting laid off that a lot.”

Creating a Special: Before and After Pregnancy

28:34 to 29:53

Rosebud discusses her unique stand-up special that captures her experiences before and after becoming a mother.

“Cause I did love my life and I do hate struggle.”

Feeling Alone After Giving Birth

29:53 to 31:08

She shares the alienation and unexpected feelings of loneliness after having her child.

“What made it more, what made it the one to choose, do you think?”

Navigating Relationships Post-Baby

31:08 to 31:48

The discussion highlights the challenges in Rosebud's relationship with her husband after having a child.

“And there, and I wanted to, I wanted to tell jokes about that.”

Humor in Parenting Struggles

31:48 to 32:43

Rosebud reflects on the comedic aspects of parenting and the realities of raising her tall daughter.

“It looks like you're changing an adult woman's diaper.”

Desire for Connection and Authenticity

32:43 to 33:48

The conversation evolves into desires for authentic connections and societal expectations in parenting.

“Like, a couple of detectives after a long day.”

Impact of Antidepressants on Libido

33:48 to 35:19

They delve into discussions about mental health, antidepressants, and their effects on intimacy.

“No, I've always said this, that I think gay men would make the best husbands.”

Monogamy and Open Communication

35:19 to 36:38

Exploration of monogamous relationships and the importance of open communication about desires and needs.

“Monogamous, but very, very like open with each other.”

Navigating Parenthood and Guilt

36:38 to 37:48

They discuss the guilt associated with balancing work and motherhood, highlighting personal experiences.

“I think people, I think sometimes people that don't hang out with a lot of comedians are very jarred by the way we talk about our lives.”

Motherhood Expectations vs. Reality

37:48 to 39:56

They reflect on the unrealistic expectations placed on mothers and the changing dynamics of family.

“Well, she'll say stuff like, like last night she was in the bath and I heard her, you know, she was like, where's mama?”

Reflections on Relationships and Societal Norms

39:56 to 42:00

The conversation concludes with thoughts on relationships, societal norms, and the complexities of love.

“Like, what do you want to happen for her?”

Lesbian Relationships and Dynamics

42:00 to 43:07

Explore the complexities of lesbian relationships and breakups.

“I do think they have the best situation overall, lesbians.”

Personal Habits and Choices

43:07 to 43:58

Discuss personal habits regarding substances and lifestyle choices.

“I mean, she didn't really date that many.”

Body Image and Community Standards

43:58 to 45:09

Examine the pressures of body image within the LGBTQ+ community.

“You look ridiculous you know You look ridiculous but you should see some of the things I eat.”

TV Characters and Personal Preferences

45:09 to 46:14

Talk about favorite TV characters and their complexities.

“Do you know who the hottest TV dad of all time was to me?”

Advice and Its Implications

46:14 to 47:34

Delve into the nature of advice and its true motivations.

“And she always, she postures as if she's like outside of it.”

True or False Game Segment

47:34 to 48:24

Engage in a fun game of true or false with interesting trivia.

“No I didn't It's the whole name of the show I know I know This is a shame What's so true Well let's keep talking And it'll come to me Well we could play a segment You wanna play the game?”

Reflections on Giving Advice

48:24 to 50:31

Discuss the implications of giving and receiving advice.

“Humans have been on Earth longer than dinosaurs were.”

High School Experiences and Aftermath

50:31 to 56:01

Share stories about high school experiences and their consequences.

“When somebody offers you advice, what they're saying is what they should have done.”

Confrontation and True Feelings

56:01 to 58:24

Explore the dynamics of a confrontation and the feelings behind harsh words.

“And I was like, no, there's really nothing to talk about.”

The Impulse to Fight

58:24 to 1:01:14

Discuss the urge to respond to aggression and defend others.

“Even though the poor is me and the rich is also me.”

Guest Promotion

1:01:14 to 1:02:01

Rosebud Baker shares her special and tour information.

“But if I didn't, perhaps we would fight.”
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Transcript

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0:01This is a HeadGum Podcast. Like last night she was in the bath and I heard her, you know, she was like, where's mama? And Andy was like, oh, mama's in the other room. She goes, mama's on stage. And I was like, oh, oh, whoops.

0:23Whoops.

0:27So you're vaping in here. I sorry So you're vaping in my beautiful Plain white home So sorry I'm just kidding It will stain the walls How much are you doing that? Enough to stain the walls Really? No it's so bad I worry about the vape I know I do too Yeah? I do too I'm a mother It's not okay You have a child I know The vape is crazy I always I'm like It would be one thing if I was like a small town detective A small town detective vaping Yes That makes sense to me Yeah, touching warm blood. Yeah. He's near. Just ripping the vape. Vaping is, do you, I want to ask you this and I don't want you to take it personally.

1:05I can't. And I know you won't because we're not like that. Yeah. Do you feel humiliated to do it? Because it looks silly. No. Okay. That's the thing. Okay. I should be humiliated. I will do it in a church. Really? Yes. I think it's so, I can't, sometimes at a concert, because you know it's the easiest one to travel. Yeah. My friend will pass me one and I like sucking on the little USB port. I just feel like I feel humiliated. I know. It's like, why am I doing this? When I started, I was humiliated. Yeah. But now I'm like, I do it all the time. That's how things go, right? Yeah. At first you feel humiliated and then it becomes you're not your vapor.

1:41I'm like an addict through and through. There's been so many things that I've been embarrassed of that I have gotten used to. What are they? You know what I mean? Well, like when I was drinking and stuff like that. Like I would be like, you know. Are you sober from the drink? I'm sober. You're off the drink. I'm sober. I don't smoke weed, I don't do drugs but I do this in a way that you can tell I don't smoke weed or do drugs or drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this has replaced everything. Everything. Yeah, this is like the Swiss army knife of your addiction. Yes.

2:10This one's gonna fix them all. It fully is. Go-go gadget, nicotine. Yeah, it's so bad. It's so bad. No, I literally Caleb, I was like thinking about quitting and I asked God for like a sign. Yeah. I was like, I need and I'm not religious but I was like, I need a sign to quit. me my next question so yeah no but i was like give me a fucking sign right i walk into a bodega there's like four drunk teenage girls i'm going in to buy the vape as they're leaving they step on my foot i said excuse me but i said it in a cunty way i heard them have a meeting about it outside and then they came back in and punched me in the head punched me in the head and I still bought the vape.

2:52I was assaulted by a child. The idea of going outside and being like, I think I should punch that bitch in the head and then coming back in and punching you in the head. For real. They literally thought it through and then came back and one of them was filming it. They were filming it. I was like, this is crazy. Because she goes, do you want to get punched, bitch? And then I started laughing because I was like, why would you offer that? I was like, what are you doing? I love the idea of being like, first of all, I'm stepping outside and taking a meeting with my friends. Record just in case. Do you want to get punched, bitch?

3:27It's like she's giving you every opportunity to not get punched in the head. To not get punched in the head. And you're getting punched in the head. Yeah. That is so fucking funny. That was the sign. I got the sign to quit and I still bought it. And you bought that vape. You bought like a pink leopard print vape. It's never going to stop. it's never gonna stop I was talking yesterday or the other day to a friend I have a lot of adult friends who say shit like this where they're like if I see a group of teenagers I cross the street like they're so scary I'm like these people are not they don't exist like teenagers are not real people I don't care about their opinions I don't think about them right if they weren't mean to me I mean if they punch me in the head they're getting their ass beat yeah yeah if they like said something mean about my outfit I'd be like you're not a real person you don't matter I would have thought that yeah i would have thought that then i got punched in the head and i was such a coward about it i thought i would like i thought i'd like clothes liner or something like i i don't even know what clothesline means i'm like throwing it's more of this one okay yeah yeah i thought i would have some kind of plan i literally walked to the back of the bodega counter like i worked there and was like how can i help you you got you got punched in the head and then you clocked in yes I was like, I work for you now.

4:37What do you need? It was so crazy. Rosebud, I love that. I was like, I thought I would, I didn't even have the courage to say ouch out loud. Yeah. How old were these kids, you think? I don't know, like 14 maybe? No way. I don't know. They're all like, if they're 12, 14, they still see a baby doctor. I know that. Yeah, for sure. I'm like, but 12 to 15 is the same age to me. Exactly. And they punched a mother in the head. Yeah. Like you're a mother, you have a baby. I know that was the craziest part You can't be getting punched in the head I walked back I saw I'm like I'm buying a vape I'm leaving my husband and my daughter at the cellar So that I can go buy a vape in the middle of the brunch show And I get I go back into the cellar And I like have to look at my child in the face And be like you're gonna love it here Mommy got punched by a teen It's a beautiful world Leaving your baby at the cellar to go buy a vape What do you think the chances are this kid turns out right?

5:31Not great not great i mean but i knew that like the day i got pregnant i was like she's got two comedian parents yeah rough go for her rough go yeah and it's the chances of her just being like a pretty serious like i don't know it's like people think two comedian parents like oh probably gonna be the funniest kid ever and i'm like maybe but there's also a chance she becomes like a serious academic or something you know i'm really hoping that's the way that it goes you think so i think if she goes the opposite way, then we did it right. Right. If she ends up in comedy, we fucked up in a way that we can't fix.

6:09Well, it's what it is, is I love it. I'm so happy for the way it's all gone for me. I feel very grateful that I've got my people that I like and I've got the way that I like to do it. But I just, yeah, you know so many, it's so fucking hard. You have to bust your ass for so long and you see so many people do that and then not get the other side of it. And I'm like, I don't want you to have that. Right. I don't want you to be broke. your entire 20s and 30s, busting your ass, trying, trying, trying, and waiting, and then all of a sudden you're 42 and single and have three roommates and hoping that a 22-year-old agent's assistant will read your script.

6:41And you have zero employment history. Yeah, you have nothing. It's all barista and server, which I guess that's also a beautiful life. Maybe I'm just like, I'm allergic to struggling. I don't like struggle. I hate struggling. I don't like it at all. What are you, a Taurus? Are you a Taurus? You want to try again? Uh... Keep going. I want you to get this.

7:05Capricorn? No. Aquarius? Yes. Okay. Let's just edit it right to that. Yes, please. Just cut the rest out. Aquarius? But do you know what your big three is? Oh, it's... Do you want to know? Yeah. People ask me this. I've done this to my mom several times. You know, different guys that I've dated. It's been like, oh, mom, can you send me... Now she knows to say, like, who is it this time? Now she knows. She's on to the game. She's like, which freak is asking? Yeah, she's like, what gay man wants to know this about you? Or what girl you met at a bar bathroom? Okay, here it is. Ascendant. What's that one?

7:41That's your rising. I'm Taurus. Me too. Really? Yeah. My son is Aquarius and my moon is Scorpio. Oh, okay. What does that mean? Scorpio moon is pretty intense. What's that? Ooh. It's pretty intense. How so? Oh, like secretive. Very secretive. Like, but once, but like penetrating. Oh, I know that's right. To use the sexiest word for it. Like you want to get to the bottom of like what somebody's motivations are. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. And like why they do the things they do. Yeah. But we have the same Taurus is our what? Taurus rising. Is our rising. That's why I guess Taurus, when you said you're allergic to struggle, because I'm also Taurus rising.

8:30And does that mean that we don't like to struggle? We don't like to struggle. I don't like to rush. Yeah. I don't like to struggle. I don't want to, I won't even like, people say that Taurus is stubborn, but I feel like I'm more like a creature of habit. Okay. Like if I like a restaurant, I'm going to that restaurant. Yeah. And I'm ordering the same thing. Yeah. I like routine. I don't want to, I don't need to try a new thing. I know that I like this thing. Yeah. But then after a while, I'll be like, I hate this thing. If I had my way, everyone would just wait in place until I came around. Yeah.

9:01Like I don't want to have to go to the same restaurant every day, but I want it open anytime that I want to go. Yes. And I want my people to be in there. Right. And same with like friendships. Like when I leave town, when I leave LA, for example. Yeah. After a visit, my friends should just kind of. Wait. Bounce in place like an unused video game character. Like Mortal Kombat. And then I come back to town and wake them up. Yeah. You know, that's what I want. I would like that that'd be nice let me ask you this, maybe this is part of our thing that we have together when you're ready to leave a place say right now we were just hanging out and then I was like time to go I want to go immediately once I have that thought do you have that?

9:41I do not say goodbye it's time to go when it's time to go, it's time to go I do it in my own apartment if I'm leaving with my husband and kid Yeah. He's like, why are you walking out the door without us? I'm like, because I'm ready to go. Yes. I will see you in the lobby. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. I just need to go. Yeah. And it's like waiting to leave a place doesn't make any sense to me. It's what is holding me here. Horrifying. Absolutely nothing. I was trying to leave breakfast the other day. I was with like six people. There was one person left eating their sandwich. Finish the sandwich. It's time to go.

10:17Yeah. It's time to go. Just smack it out of their hands. Yeah. And there's like three bites left. And so I stood up and they were like, oh, I'm going to finish my sandwich. And in my head, I'm like, you can't. You fucking bastard. You have to carry it and eat on the walk. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm ready to leave now. Right. Put the fucking sandwich in your mouth and put your jacket on or whatever. Put the sandwich in your mouth and put your jacket on. Hello? Okay. Wait. You talked about asking God for a sign earlier. What are we doing with God? What do you think? What's your deal? What are we doing with God?

10:49What do you think about God? I don't, I'm not like religious, but I don't believe that God is like a man in the sky. Okay. Or some sort of daddy figure. Right. Although that would be hot. Would it? Yeah, a little bit. I learned something about you just now. Yeah, I love a daddy figure. Really? Okay. Yeah. I was raised by war criminals, so. I know. I do. I know. I do love a daddy figure. Honestly, out of respect for you, I was just not even going to bring that topic up because I'm like, oh, she probably talks about it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. But of course I do know your family lineage. Yeah. Yeah.

11:26Yeah. Your grandpa like invented Reagan or something. Pretty much.

11:32He built him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a lab. No. Yeah. So I do love a daddy figure. I don't, I was like raised going to church and shit, but I didn't like it. And then I became like a fucking full blown alcoholic and you know, drug addict. And I was like, you know, I got in the program and stuff. And so I just sort of was like, okay, I don't even like the God shit here. But if I can imagine, like, if I, if something took care of me enough to like get me sober, then I feel like there is some kind of like benevolent something out there. I see discourse sometimes about AA specifically that people are like, actually AA is bad because it's a form of religious control.

12:13And I'm like, well, so is overdosing on heroin or like being so alcoholic that you can't. Right. I think it's fine. I think if people need to call the thing God to get out of that, that's fine. Yeah. I think it works. Right. Absolutely. God can be whatever you want it to be. It doesn't have to be the guy. Yeah. It could be your fucking car. Yeah. If you like a Ferrari, it could be your fucking Ferrari. I know. That's right. You know? You worshiping cars? I don't. I do not. Do you care about cars? Not even a little bit. It's weird that cars came to mind. It's weird that you said it, right? But just like, I was thinking of the most materialistic thing.

12:43Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Like possession. Something that so doesn't matter to me. What is a possession that you do care about? Like what's your thing? Do you go in for shoes? Is it bags? Oh, skin care. Skin care. Yeah. I do make skin care kind of a little bit of a higher power. What's your routine? Okay, so I'll do first to wash my face. Then I do a serum. Is this, you were talking nighttime? Yeah, we're talking nighttime. Okay, nighttime, okay. Retinol, serum. Sorry, that was the second serum? Yes, there's two serums Serum, retinol, serum Hyaluronic acid Okay Vitamin C Then I just got this stuff Neuturium Which is like a Multi-peptide lotion Okay Put that on And then I get like this barrier bounce shit That Neuturium makes Okay And I put that on Yeah And then I go to bed Looking like I'm crowning Okay, yeah Okay You're like just totally soaked Totally soaked Yeah Disgusting Yeah And then and then i wake up and i should wash my face but instead i just put on uh fucking sunscreen why don't you you're doing all this at night and then the morning you're not gonna wash the face because i got a kid right once she's like like once i'm not responsible for her like physical body yeah you know and she's not like running into shit and trying to kill herself all day long then then i will start washing my face again okay yeah in the morning yeah that's beautiful right now i'm on a hiatus i don't have a skincare routine you don't no i can't it's too being alive is far too difficult yeah at a baseline yeah like i i do find it very i love being alive i think life is so beautiful yeah but really the tasks it takes like the times i spend out the most about being alive are like the shit i have to do to maintain this body that i didn't ask for right I have to go to the fucking dentist.

14:33I have to brush my teeth every night. I'm supposed to be doing skincare. I'm supposed to be taking vitamins. I have to move my body all the time. I'm like, this thing is too much to keep up. I know, but I feel like it's one of the one things. It's like whenever I, I'll like lay in bed and be like, this is self-care. You know what I mean? And I'm just like scrolling on my phone and it's actually just like a trauma response. Detrimental, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. But skincare makes me go like, this is like a ritual that takes work. that doesn't take too much time and I don't have to sweat.

15:03Yeah. So I will do it. That's nice. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I can't, I think for, yeah, I need to change my, I need to frame it differently to myself. Maybe that would work. Yeah. Because to me so much of skincare, like so much of what people say to me about skincare is they're like, well, if you want to, if you want to maintain a youthful look when you're older. And I'm like, I don't, I'm actually really looking forward to when my face looks old. Yeah. Because I want to act those parts. I'm excited for those roles. I'm excited for that part of life. I can't wait to look 50 when I'm 50.

15:28Okay. So I'm not trying to stay looking young. This is man privilege. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm so happy to be a man. Yeah. Being a woman sounds horrible. Oh my God. I would fucking donate my pussy. How is being a woman?

15:45How is it? How is it? Are you okay? I'm not. It seems bad. No, it's bad. Yeah. It's not great. What's the worst part? Don't actually.

15:59Actually, I thought of one and I don't want to talk about this anymore. Yeah, let's not. What's the best part? The best part? Honestly, the best part so far was having a kid. Yeah. Having one. Yeah. Not being pregnant. Yeah. But like, you know, getting handed a kid that I made. Yeah. That was pretty fucking awesome. I wish I could do that. Yeah, that part's cool. That'd be neat. But it's so hard that it's almost like, okay, I could do that one time. You don't want to do it again. I'm not doing that shit again. I can understand that. Yeah. I actually don't wish I could carry a baby. I wish I could get a guy pregnant.

16:35Yes. Sometimes I wish I could get somebody pregnant too. That's got to be really powerful. Like sometimes when I'm dating a guy, if he's a cis guy and I like him a lot, I'm like, I would love to get you pregnant with my baby. I know. But I can't. Right. You know? Well. That's downside of being gay guy. Yeah. I guess. You know? I guess that's one of the, yeah. Sort of a lighter downside. A lighter side. Yeah. Well, we're going to camp soon. Yeah. There's that as well. In the camps. I can't get anybody pregnant. Oh, I wish I could get someone pregnant. Well, time to go make license plates or whatever the fuck.

17:09Whatever they're going to have us doing. Oh, we're going to camps. We're going to license plate camp soon. Yeah. Yeah. It's not looking good for gay. No, no. It's bad out there. It's bad for gay. I'm not. I don't mean to be laughing right now, but the way that you're putting it is. Yeah. Well, I'm going to be making license plates in Alabama within the next year and a half. And I'll be one of the first ones to go. And it's all Alabama license plates, by the way. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. And Florida. Well, when they like repossess all the gay people's like homes and art to like give it to like, you know.

17:38Some Christian. Like straight white families that are willing to have more kids or whatever the thing is going to be. Whatever Stephen Miller cooks up. Yeah. I'll be one of the first ones to go, I think. To camp. Fuck. Caleb goes to camp. Woo. It's like Ernest goes to camp. Oh, yeah. I'm going to have fun in the camp. I'll tell you I'm having fun in the camp. On the way out, you better believe it. No, I mean, it is, when I think about it, I'm like, it's going to be celebratory. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be a fun time. I've said for years, since the first time Trump got elected, I said, one way or another, gay camps are coming.

18:10Mike Pence was like a more buttoned up, but he hates gay people. Yeah, which is crazy because he's full gay. Oh my God. Have you ever seen someone with a gayer vibe? No. Just like very like, always like giving blue steel for no reason. I fucking can. Yeah. Yeah. But I've said, you put a bunch of gay guys in camps, we'll find a way to have fun. Yeah, absolutely. There'll be places where the cameras don't see. Especially you. I feel like, you know, if I was a gay guy and I was in the camps, I'd be like, can I move to Caleb's bunk? Come to my barracks. Yeah. Everyone come to my barracks. The bunk, the barracks.

18:42After the chow hall, everyone come to my barracks. After chow hall. Come on. I love that it's just the military. Yeah. It's the military. Party in my barracks. I look forward to hosting Yeah In my barracks Yeah Find a little way to decorate I'll visit Would you? Yeah But I will I'm gonna be a coward And I will pretend to be Christian Totally Yeah Well you might not escape the camps You're sort of a foul-mouthed woman They won't find me They won't find me What do you mean? You're hiding? I will hide Nice I will hide And I can I have You put a wig on me You're not gonna recognize me That's true I will take my eyelids off.

19:22You know what I mean? I'll get an upper bleph. And it will, people will be like, who is that? Without my hooded eyes, you're going to have no idea who I am. Yeah. Oh, I have those too. Yeah. The way they come over. I think if you, if you need, this is what I would do too if I needed to hide you right now. Okay. I would shave your head. Great. First of all. Yeah. And then I would get. To sad music. Yes. I would shave your head slowly to sad music while we both cried. Yeah. And then I would put on you an asymmetrical bright red bob. Yes. Yeah. And you're a different woman immediately. Yes. Okay.

19:55And I'm giving you like a brown beauty mark. One beauty mark. Yeah. Yeah. And my tits have to be out. I'll have my tits out. I've been wanting to get your tits out. Yeah. I know. You were saying off camera that you have big tits. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of secret. Yeah. Why do you hide them? Why do you hide them? Why do you hide them? Why hide them? Yeah. I just don't. I don't know. It feels like such a commitment. Yeah. You know, and it doesn't, my tits don't really match my personality, you know, I'm sort of giving like, like closet lesbian, you know, like jumping up, hitting the exit signs. Yeah.

20:34That's you. Yeah. That is you. Yeah. So big tits, it's a different personality. Yeah. I would have to, I mean, if I did have them out one day, I would start to pursue more reality television. Yes. I would start to get a lot of elective surgeries for sure. I mean, I'm going to do that anyway, because why not? But yeah, it just feels like a different, I'm not in that phase right now. Yeah. You know? I don't see it for you. But I have lived kind of like a Forrest Gump life. How so? Just, you know, a lot of random shit. Yeah. That doesn't really match up. Yeah. Where you're like, that didn't happen to the same person in the same life.

21:14Give me an example of two, like, like what are the, give me two things that have happened in your life that feel so conflicting. Okay. Because I know what you mean. I did. Okay. I did a reality show. Did you? Yeah. I did a reality show with my gay best friend for Sundance channel when I first moved to New York. Okay. Then I also was a yoga instructor who taught yoga to Hasidic Jewish women in Brooklyn. How was that? You can't touch them. Of course. So. Yeah. It was weird. Yeah. Of course. Of course. It was odd. Yeah. But also it was really kind of sweet because this woman had left her husband in the Hasidic community, which is like, you know, bad there.

21:53Yeah. Good to me. I mean, from where I stand, I'm like, good for you, girl. Leave your husband. She started her fucking business. Right. But she it was like still in Brooklyn and she only had her friends from the Hasidic community. So these other women were like coming to support her. And it was really sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever watch the only teacher? Did you ever watch the Rachel McAdams secret lesbian Hasidic movie? No. There was a Rachel Adams secret lesbian Hasidic Jewish woman movie. Yeah. Undoubt or truth. What chance you're Googling it? Unfaithful or God, what was it called? Disobedience.

22:34Disobedience. Ooh. Oh, it was hot. She like spits in another woman's mouth at one point. Whoa. Hot. Whoa. I love Rachel McAdams. When did this come out? 2017. Yeah. I saw it at TIFF. Wow. I saw it at TIFF because I worked for a nonprofit that sent me to Toronto for day job training at the same time as TIFF. And I was like, oh, I'm fucking off every night to watch TIFF movies. Yeah. And that was one of the ones I watched. Wow. It was so hot. I love Rachel McAdams. She can do no wrong. Yeah, she's great. She's so charming. I know. And she's great in everything. She is. The Family Stone. Amazing.

23:07Hello. So good. Let's wake that up. There's not enough talk about Rachel McAdams. Well, where has she been? Yes. Yes, I don't know. She did that movie, that movie, what was it, Flight? The Cillian Murphy movie? Do you know what I'm talking about? Red Eye. Red Eye. Red Eye. You seen that? 2005, yeah. Red Eye, crazy. Okay. Rachel McAdams, incredible performance. Rachel McAdams, I love her. I really do, and I loved when she was gay. Rachel McAdams. Rachel McAdams, we love you, girl. Yeah. I do love her. She's so charming. She'd be a hot, hot gay woman. Yes. Well, she has that kind of spunkiness. Yeah.

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23:43Yeah. You want that in your lesbians. You know. What are you about to pivot to? Do you know Tova? Transition period. Transition. Do you know Tova Silberman? Yes. My comedy manager? Yes. Yes. She's Jewish. And I asked her once when I first moved to Brooklyn, I was seeing all the Jewish guys in their hats. Yeah. Not the yarmulkes, the big fur hats. And sometimes they're bigger than other times. Right. Right. so I'm at dinner with her and I was like what's with the hats? I want to know what's the significance? I want to learn about this. She said well I forget the exact. She's like well there could just be extremely pious or maybe they're celebrating something.

24:24I think was part of it. It could be like a celebration of an achievement in studying the text or something. Was she guessing? No she's Hasidic. She grew up in an Orthodox. She grew up in an Orthodox community so she's telling me for real. And I said oh my god So would it be, could I, could I congratulate them if I pass one on a guy on the street wearing a big hat? Yeah. Should I say like, congratulations? And she was like, they don't want to talk to you. I was like, well, obviously that breaks my fucking heart. So I can't be in community with them at all. Yeah. I say congrats and they go, yeah, they don't want to talk to me, which sucks because I want to talk to them.

25:01I know. You're very curious. You have a curious spirit. I do. And I would love to hang out with them. If they would invite me over, I would come hang out. I would love to chat with them and know about their stuff. What would you ask? What would I ask them? Yeah. Just kind of how they feel about the world and what they know about the things that are going on. And if they like, I would want to know how they feel about gay people. And then I'd want to maybe not, maybe I'd like to convince them to like gay people if they don't, you know? Right. I also want to let them know a lot of them are on Grindr.

25:28There are a lot of Hasidic guys on Grindr. Yeah. I would definitely sit in for that conversation. I would like to tell them, do you know that there's a lot of your guys on Grindr? Yeah. And that they don't feel comfortable telling you that about themselves. Right. And do you care? Would you mind? And if there's any, I have heard that if one of the curls is cut short, that they are in trouble. Have you heard this? No. And I could be wrong, and I'm going out on a limb here and being potentially culturally insensitive. Uh-huh. But I've heard that. And if that's true, I would like to meet someone who has a shortened curl and find out what they've done to be in trouble.

26:03You want to find somebody on Grindr and you want to run up with a pair of scissors. I did. No. I go, that's mine now. I didn't want to. I'm going to get in trouble. You shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that. I said, a guy messaged me on Grindr once. Really? Yeah. He wasn't cute. So I wasn't into it. But yeah, I was obviously interested in the idea of it. It's like, I don't want to hook up, but I want to talk about your stuff. I would like to chat with him. Yeah. But he wasn't into that. Okay. I did try to have a conversation. He was like, are you free now? And I was like, this isn't.

26:33Yeah. You're not, this isn't my rich community. I don't like, you know, it's been a while since I've been single. How long? Five years. Only. I was expecting you to stay much longer. No, I don't stay single that long. Yeah? Your girl. I know that's right. I know that's right. Come on. Do you think you'll ever be single again? If I get a divorce, I'm going to stay single for the rest of my life. Really? Yes. Oh, wow. Yeah. Or I'll just date women. or I'll date women. Kind of rooting on your divorce now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you getting a divorce in like 10 years and then just exclusively switching to women.

27:11Obviously, you know, that's like the chicest thing you could do. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I have to wait a little while. Yeah. And I do tell Andy, I go, listen, this is working out for now. Yeah. But 10 years, we're going to wrap it up. I'm going to date women. You do what you got to do. Go get some young pussy. Yeah. Yeah. Have some young pussy. Go find like an open miker who thinks you're the funniest person. Of course. She's ever fucking heard in her life. Be the predatory man in the community that we know and love. Yes. Yeah. You know, we all have a destiny to fulfill. Yes. Yeah. And he was meant to be that older comic who mentors the younger girls.

27:46That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And tells them they have potential. Yeah. God. You know, I started in Chicago. Did you? Yes. Ooh. And those guys are around. A lot of, yeah. Those guys are around. Yeah. They're hitting the open mics and the improv classes and saying, God, you're just so fun. I see it for you. Yeah. And they're getting laid off that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. God.

28:14Anyway, yeah, I can't wait to get back to women. I want you to get back to women. I will. Okay, so I want to talk about your stand-up special, though. Oh, okay. You did, I'm sorry. It's just something I'm interested in. Yeah. You did the first, how did it work out? You did the first half of it pregnant. I did. Yeah. The first half of it, I was eight months pregnant. And then the second half I did a year later because I was really curious about what I was really scared to be pregnant, to have a kid, to like what that life change was. Cause I did love my life and I do hate struggle. Yeah. So, um, I was like, I don't know how well I'm going to adjust to this.

28:54Yeah. And I know there's a lot of people who had, I'm like, no human experience is like alien to anybody. If you're feeling it, everybody has felt it, you know? Yeah. And so I was like, let me just make a special that's like the before and after. Like what it is to be pregnant and then what it is after you've had a kid a year later, what that feels like. And so I took a lot of the jokes from the first half of the special and expanded upon them. Upon them. We expanded upon them. Upon them. Yeah. Um, for like the next year and put them together. This, this, uh, editor Kelly Lyon, who's like amazing.

29:32She put it together and I was like, she made me two cuts. She made me one that was like just the second hour, uh, for the, from the year after. And then she put both of them together into another cut that was both of them. And I was like, oh, I can't really fucking decide between these two. And she was like, just do the one that's most interesting to you. And so I went with the first two. with the first one. Yeah. Yeah. What made it more, what made it the one to choose, do you think? Um, because it really, to me, comments on like the,

30:08the fucking alienation that you feel after you have a kid. Hmm. You know, everybody loves a pregnant lady and then you have a baby and they're like, oh, fuck off. You know what I mean? You think so? Is that how it felt? A little bit. Yeah. Like, I don't know that anybody actually felt like that, but you're pregnant and everybody's like, I'm going to be the auntie. I'm going to be there every day. And then I had friends send me so many gifts that I was like, just say you're not coming to meet her. You know what I mean? I was like, just say you're not coming over. Just do that. Stop sending me clothes.

30:45You know what I mean? Because it is this feeling of like, I loved my friends. I built up this community, this like actual family that was like my chosen family. And then I had a kid and it was like, where did they go? You know? Yeah. I mean, a couple of them, like genuine good friends, like didn't go anywhere, but there was a lot of them that I was like, oh, I thought you'd be around. Yeah. You know, I thought I would feel this way. I actually feel this way. And there, and I wanted to, I wanted to tell jokes about that. Cause there is something really funny about being a loser. You know what I mean?

31:24I was like, I feel like a loser And there was also just like A lot of shit between my husband and I That I, like the rage that I felt Towards him that was really funny Yeah, tell me about that because that's interesting Just he's so, you know, I'm like You just don't have it

31:43You know? Doesn't have the stuff? I was like, you don't have the stuff You don't have the goods, brother You don't have it What do you mean? Why were you so mad at him? That he didn't have it I was like I don't you know I'm like I don't have it but I figured this out He does shit where like I'll leave him With her for a weekend and he's like oh I'll be like did she brush her teeth last night He's like oh Like he forgot the whole weekend Like he didn't brush her teeth The whole weekend and I'm like That's crazy That is crazy So there's stuff like that Where I'm just like you gotta be joking Like he'll try to change her diaper on the floor of the airport And I'm like, don't have her pussy out by the baggage claim.

32:25What the fuck? I'm sorry. She can't be naked by the trash can. She can't be. She has to go somewhere. She can't be. First of all, she's huge. She's like 6 '2". Yeah. It looks like you're changing an adult woman's diaper. She is big. You know? She's tall. She's going to be a WNBA player. Yeah. Or NBA? She's half my height already. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I noticed that. She stands about here on you. She's two. Yeah, she's two. Yeah. So it's crazy. But yeah, I definitely I just wanted to make a I wanted to make this special about that And also like the process of getting pregnant Was so crazy Like miscarriages, IVF Then just like getting pregnant The old fashioned way Wait, when you said that, why did I think of You know that scene in Brokeback Mountain When he's like trying to have sex with her And he's like, I want to have another kid And she's like, I'd have him if you'd Make enough money to raise him And then they end up not having sex and just laying in bed sad Yeah.

33:17That's what made me think of. That is kind of the old, yeah. That's the old-fashioned way. Just fucking - Staring at the ceiling. Truly fighting. Yeah. Fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Like, a couple of detectives after a long day. I miss it. Yeah. Yeah, I miss it, culturally. Yeah. You know, it's still out there. I know. I just would have been so good at being, like, if I was, like, the secret gay guy who had to have, like, a wife and kids, I would have been really good at that. Oh, yeah. Like, my kids would have been, like, my dad's low-key fun. You know? Like, they would have loved me. And then when I was old, they'd be like, oh, he was gay.

33:47You know? Yes. Yeah. No, I've always said this, that I think gay men would make the best husbands. Totally. A hundred percent. I would have been good at that fake stuff. Yeah. Living an authentic life as a gay guy is really exhausting. That's really all you want out of a husband is someone who doesn't bother to fuck you. Yeah. So you can go fuck whoever. Yeah. And then like helps you with the kid. Yeah. And is like supportive and like pats you on the back and listens to your work stories. When I hang out with my girls now, I'm like, we would do so good at domestic life. Yeah. If you didn't need someone to fuck you.

34:18Yeah. And I didn't need to be fucking someone. In the two years after I had a kid, I wanted a gay husband so badly. Yeah. Because I was just like, libido was like gone. Really? Yes. Is that normal? It just came back. It just came back. Is that like something that happens? It does happen. Okay. Yeah. But I got back on, I got on Wellbutrin. Really? Now it's starting to like. Made you horny? It's starting to wake me up a little. Let's go. there yeah well butrin orgasms are crazy i didn't know this again yeah wow yeah i'm not on anything but maybe i'll try it try it i'll try it i thought about trying it just to see yeah you know yeah i was i felt like numb a little bit yeah i was like i'm not depressed but i'm not like fighting to live and so i was like maybe that's hey sister sounds like a job for been there yeah you know here's the problem though i've slept with so many guys who are on antidepressants and they like being alive but they can't come right if i can't come i'm killing myself and i do mean that yeah i do no i do and i mean that sincerely yeah it's not like me being silly i mean like if i can't come i'm i'm out i'm killing myself yeah turning it off no no killing myself bye-bye yeah i'll see y 'all around yeah maybe just leave it as your voicemail message yeah like sorry can't come sorry can't come killing myself i gotta go If I can't come, I gotta go Chicken out, yeah Hey guys, I'm so sorry I can't come So I'm pulling out, thank you Thank you, thank you Chicago, you've been so much fun You've been so great Yeah, no, need to be coming Yeah Need to be coming in all seriousness It's crazy that I went like a year and a half Really, or longer than that Really?

36:01Because my kid was 18 months when I finally went on well butrin yeah and wanted to fuck again yeah but it was like it was a long time where i was like i don't need it i don't want it i don't want any attention don't look at me don't talk and it wasn't even like just from my husband i was like if i looked out outside of my marriage i'd be like yuck when i considered cheating it made me sick yes yeah it was like bleh Are you guys monog? Huh? Yeah. Monog. Yes. Wow. Yeah. Monogamous, but very, very like open with each other. Like, we'll talk about, like all of these things that I'm saying to you right now, I would say to my husband.

36:40For sure. Yeah. I think people, I think sometimes people that don't hang out with a lot of comedians are very jarred by the way we talk about our lives. Yeah. But I'm just like, yeah, everyone in my life just knows the deal. Like this, I'm just going to tell the truth about the situation. Right. I do. The only time I get weird about it, I wonder if you, like, when I talk about my little cousins, sometimes I get, I get, I get weird about that because the kids and they can't consent to being talked about like that. Yeah. And I would never share anything. I think, but they say such funny shit that I'm like, it is so funny.

37:09So those are the only things I really turn over about like, Oh, should I say this? Right. But other than that, I never worry. I'll say like really raunchy sexual shit at a show. I know my mom's at, I know that's fine. We're adults. Yeah. I have this one joke right now about my daughter and I'm like, it's, I can't wait to retire it. It's like one of those things that I'm like, it'll never go anywhere. I'll tell, I'll tell the story on stage, but I'm like, I just don't like it. Cause I'm like, there is something in me that's like, I, she doesn't, you know, I don't want to do that to her. Like it's not, uh, it doesn't feel right.

37:42It's so interesting to think that like someday she's going to grow up and like watch your standup. Oh God. Yeah. And be like, Oh, that's what that's, that's what mom was doing. Yeah. Crazy. Well, she'll say stuff like, like last night she was in the bath and I heard her, you know, she was like, where's mama? And Andy was like, oh, mama's in the other room. She goes, mama's on stage. And I was like, oh, whoops.

38:11That's so cool, though. Maybe it sounds cool, but it felt sad. It felt sad because you're like, when she thinks of you, she thinks of you as being away. Yeah. And over there on stage. That's what made me, yeah. I was like, aw. I feel so guilty. Really? I do feel incredibly, that was part of the reason why I had to go on the antidepressants and stuff. I felt so fucking guilty with SNL and all those hours and being away from her. Yeah. And never knowing if she was going to know that I was her mom. You know, I was like, I really started to, I wasn't prepared for that kind of guilt. Yeah. You know?

38:51That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I mean, I had a mom who was working all the time and was gone a lot. And I definitely as a kid was like, why the fuck are you gone all the time? You're supposed to be my parent. Like, I definitely felt it as a kid. Well, that's good. That makes me feel better. No, but I'm saying, I'm like, where is this bitch? I'm abandoned. You know, and I haven't forgiven her. you know and I never will but it's fine she chose her path Rosebud you have to let me finish no as an adult I'm like hello do you don't want like I'm so glad I had a mom who was like doing shit and who like did make time to like have a life and like was providing for us oh for sure okay and kids don't fucking know anything they're stupid yeah they are dumb no they are so dumb their emotions are like fickle and dumb they get upset about nothing no she asked me to talk like Elmo and she thinks I'm Elmo yeah it's like you're not wise Yeah.

39:44Sorry, you think I'm Elmo. You believe anything. Yeah, you would fall for anything. You're a rube. Yeah. Yeah. Kids are rubes. They're rubes. You're a rube. You're a rube. You're an easy mark. Get out of here. What do you hope for? What do you want from her? Like, what do you want to happen for her? If you had your dream, what would you want her life to be? Whatever she wants it to be. I know. People say that, and I hate that. But that's true. You don't have a dream? For her? Yeah, you're not like, oh, I hope she's... I have to dream for myself. I know, but don't you dream for her sometimes when you're bored?

40:15Okay, all right. If I, I would say I really do want, I want for us to be close. Yeah. And hopefully she's gay. You think so? Yeah. You want a gay kid? I do. Okay. I don't know that that's going to eliminate the threat of men, but it does eliminate, like, the relationships with them. Yeah. Where I'm like. Well, the threat of men is omnipresent. Yeah. Yes. But it's, I think about the relationships that I was in and I go, if anybody fucking did to my daughter what they did to me, I would end their fucking life. You friends with a lot of lesbians? Not really, actually. I'm gathering that because when you said that, I don't think you know how bad it gets with lesbians.

41:09Really? It's a type of toxic that they couldn't make in a lab. Lesbian, I mean, you think men and women get into it? Yeah. Dude, these girls are going through it, dude. Lesbians are... You're, like, blowing my mind right now. I'm shaking right now. I'm, like, shaking, trembling, thinking about some of the things my lesbian friends have been through. Because what it is, is they're all, they're, like, super... I'm thinking, like, DV, though. Domestic violence. Yeah. Look. It's obviously worse with straight people, but I'm saying there's something that can be, okay, when you get two toxic women together and they understand therapy language on a level that's like...

41:50Oh, God, yeah, no, I've been there. I've been there, yeah, yeah. The emotional torment that these women are able to put each other through. Right. Lesbians is a different kind of torture. I could see that. It's beautiful as well. I do think they have the best situation overall, lesbians. They have the highest likelihood that it's going to go well, lesbians, but man, I have been through some lesbian breakups that would, like there are prisoners of war that haven't seen things I've seen. Why do they all stay friends with each other after? They can't help it. They can't help it. That's just how they are.

42:18I'm going to cry. I guess I should ask my sister. My sister is - Lesbo? Yeah. Nice. Yeah, she just got married. Is she the boy or the girl? The girl. Yeah. The girl. Nice. For sure. That's really nice. Sometimes there's two boys and two girls, even when they're both girls. Yeah. There's a lot of times a boy and a girl. Yeah. She's the girl. Yeah. For sure. That's nice. Yeah. You know, I think the girl is whoever planned the wedding. Yeah. Well, you can tell by how they dress. Yeah. Well, also, yeah. Yeah. You just look at them. Mm-hmm. It always makes me laugh when homophobes are like, they try to be like, which one's the boy and which one's the girl?

42:56I'm like, take a look. Yeah. Yeah. Whichever one's dressed like. It's pretty easy. Just eyeball it. You dress like an electrician. That's the boy. Mm-hmm. Yep. Short hair. Yep. The girls were in the Britney Spears t-shirt. Yeah. Yep. That's right. Pretty easy with guys as well. Yeah. Yeah. It's easy to tell. Yeah. I should ask her though. I mean, she didn't really date that many. She like dated a woman and married her. I think she did one woman before. And then it was like a three week thing. And then she met Chloe and now they're married. Yeah. But before that, it was all men. Chloe's the boy, huh?

43:27Chloe's the boy. Tough name for the boy. I know. Do you know what my favorite trends is? What should we? What? online when they go ask like it's a thing I've seen I get served a lot of lesbian content because of my lifestyle and they'll go Can I vape while you say this? Are you upset by it? No I'm just worried about you Who knows this? Okay have you I want you to vape. I feel like you're mad at me. I'm not I'm just concerned I'm kidding I'm really not. I really don't judge the vape You look ridiculous you know You look ridiculous but you should see some of the things I eat. There is a fan that's like literally blowing.

44:08I don't mind that. Okay. Everyone has to have their thing. And my thing, the reason I don't do Coke, I don't drink, I don't, the only things I do are - You never do any of those? No. I smoke weed. Okay. And I eat garbage. Okay. These are my things. Thank God. And that's why I'm like, other people do meth and go to stay out at raves all night long and drink and drink and drink and drink. Right. That's their thing. Yeah. My thing is that I eat garbage and smoke weed. There are some meth heads that eat garbage. Totally. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. There's an interesting thing in the gay guy community where the fat phobes in the gay guy community will be like, I want someone who takes care of themselves.

44:43And then they're on meth at like, you know, circuit parties. Right. And I'm like, right. So you mean something else, but I get the idea. I get what you're saying. Yeah. Someone who looks like they take care of themselves. I got the message. Yeah. I understood what you needed. Yeah. They just meant, yeah. Thin. Thin. Which is fabulous. Thin is so fun. I love thin sometimes. I've dated thin people. Yeah. Some of my closest friends are thin. I don't like a really thin look on a guy. Really? Yeah. It always, to me, I'm like, are you sick? Yeah. You know? Oh, my God. Do you know who the hottest TV dad of all time was to me?

45:14Who? Dan Conner from Roseanne. Yes. God. Well, actually, mine is more toxic, but it's Tony Soprano. Yeah. Tony Soprano was. Yeah, I learned a lot about you just now. Yeah, you did. Yeah, that's beautiful, though. I've rewatched that show so many times, and every single time I have sex dreams about him. You know, he is sexy, but he's not nice to Carmella. Yeah, but he'll fuck you on the subway in your dreams. Yeah, but he's bad to Carmella. But Carmella is bad to Carmella, too. Sorry, I'll say it. What do you mean? Carmella knows what she's getting into. That's the beauty of Carmella, is that she's not like a one-dimensional character.

45:58You know that she knows what the fuck's going on. She loves it too. And she's like, she gets into like the, you know, the church to like atone for it, but she's never going to leave. Yeah. And it's, she likes the money. She loves the money and the status. She likes being the first lady. Yes. She does. And she always, she postures as if she's like outside of it. But Carmelo, you're part of it. You are a part of it. Yeah. And don't get me started on Meadow. I mean, what a pill. Yeah. Meadow is. Absolutely. What a pill Meadow is. Just stop it. Stop it, Meadow. Who's your favorite character on that show?

46:36I would say Christopher. Really? Yeah. I must be loyal to my capo. Yeah. I like Christopher just because he's such a fuck up. Yeah. He's such an interesting character. Yeah. I wouldn't say he's my favorite, like, oh, let's hang out. Yeah. But he's my favorite character in terms of the way he's written. Mine's Janice. Janice? Yes, Janice! Icon, dude. Oh, my God, yes. Icon. Janice is great. I didn't even think about Janice. Janice is amazing. She is. She's fucking awesome. Yeah. She's like the hippie sister that went away and came back. Ends up, which this happens to a lot of hippie girls. They go back and just end up doing the marrying the guy from home thing.

47:13Yes. Then she killed him. Mm-hmm. Which is awesome. That's the greatest scene. I will watch that scene when I'm PMSing. Yeah. Just to blow off steam. Some feminine rage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, it's so fucking good. What were we talking about? I don't know. Yeah, we really got away from it. I have a question for you, though. Yeah. What's so true to you? Um Shit Rosebud Baker What's so true to you? What's so true to me? You didn't think about it did you? No I didn't It's the whole name of the show I know I know This is a shame What's so true Well let's keep talking And it'll come to me Well we could play a segment You wanna play the game?

47:49Yeah Chance my papers Bitterman Bitterman Chance has to bring me my papers Thank you Chance Thank you, Chance. Rosebud. Yeah. I'm going to read you 15 statements. Wait, I thought about it. Well, we'll come back to it. I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said is true or false. Okay. If you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you 50 US dollars. Okay. Huge. You ready? You ready? Yeah. Sea otters hold hands when they sleep. Yes, true. Humans have been on Earth longer than dinosaurs were. uh true false and is the most spoken english word false false it's the langley high school's mascot is harry the whistleblower false false it's like a viking auto the saxon hawaii is the only u.s state to never record a temp of zero uh false it's true fuck only only female mosquitoes bite False.

48:57True. Shit. Fuck. And I'm not surprised to hear it either.

49:04Austin Butler's from Waco, Texas. False. False. He's from Anaheim, California. Yeah. Visa is older than MasterCard. True. True. Emerson College has a campus in Netherlands. False. True. What? I went there. Sorry. May 11th is the most common birthday in the US. False. False. It's September 9th. A group of zebras is called a dazzle. I hope so. I hope that's true. I'm going to say true because I want it to be. True. Yes. Water has an expiration date. False. False. Jessica Alba has a Tony Award. No. False. False. St. Louis is the capital of Missouri. I just rejected it. No. No, she can't. No. St. Louis is the capital of Missouri.

49:53Is that... True? False. It's Jefferson City. Fake town. A mountain lion, puma, cougar, and panther are all the same animal. I'm going to say true. That is true. Yeah. How'd she do? Ten! Shut up! You won! Really? Yeah. $50. I got pretty close. That's probably going to be cool. Slow that down in the edit. Make me all cool on that. Yeah. Rosebud, what's so true to you? I think that what is so true is people who give you advice... are actually just telling you what they want for themselves. What do you mean? When somebody offers you advice, what they're saying is what they should have done. What they should have done in the situation?

50:38Yes. Oh, I thought you meant they're telling you what would be most convenient for them for you to do. Like if you're like, oh, should I go to the grocery store today and I really need you to get out of the house? I'd be like, oh, you have to. No, no, no. You're saying, okay, got you. I'm saying if somebody's offering you advice, they're saying, they're like, be like me. Yeah. and you shouldn't listen to people who do that. Yeah, I'm like this. I'm like that. What? I do that. I give people advice to be like me. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I do that. But I think everybody does. You think it's a common thing.

51:12That's why I think it's so true. Yeah, so you don't think that we should take that advice, though? Listen, if it works for you, it works for you. Yeah. But I don't think that you should take advice from anyone that is like... I don't like, uh, you know, anybody who calls himself like a guru or anybody who calls himself like a thought leader or a life coach, or a, I think those people especially are like mentally unhinged and need to be, need some help. They need more help than you do. Yeah. The worst off. If I ever come to power, there'll be very specific groups of people that are in trouble. Um, and it won't be the boring, like it won't be like immigrants and stuff that sucks.

51:52It'll be like life coaches. Yes. Like you're going to jail. You absolutely belong in jail. You're a charlatan. You're going to jail. And especially the ones that like, um, that have like a specific set of rules. You know what I mean? Yeah. A set of like, uh, I'm thinking of like short men that, uh, assault people and period. Yeah. Short men period. Period. Yeah. No, I do like short men sometimes. Well, when they're jolly, when they're sweet, you know, if you're sweet. Yeah. But when a short man's angry, it's too much for the little container. Well, I think tall men really, yeah, that's true. You know?

52:28That's true. You need to be tall so the hate can spread out. Yeah. When you're short. A short man who's angry is actually really terrifying. Horrifying. You're so right. But I do think that tall men, they get a lot of love. Yeah. And I loved a tall man. You know, I still love it. I'm married to a tall man. Yeah. But, you know, once you're pregnant with their kid, you're like, I should have thought this through. How tall is your man? 6 '2 It's a good height Yeah It's a good height for a man It's a good height for a man Yeah Not a great height for a fucking baby Baby Your baby's You're really worried about your baby's height I really am She's tall I just think it's so crazy That you can give birth to someone who's taller than you Yeah Yeah It's probably gonna happen It's so fucking crazy Yeah Like you never hear about that You know Like you wouldn't see a fucking hippo give birth to a giraffe Right You know We do that as humans though Yeah My grandma's right here Crazy.

53:22I tower over her. Crazy. I could kick her down so easy. Yeah. I never do because I love her, but she would be easy to kick down. And you do think about it. Push her. Right. No, I just think she's right there where my foot is. You know? So you thought about it. I don't want to kick her down. But you've thought about it. It would take nothing to do it. It would feel good. It would take nothing to kick her down. It might feel good. To kick Lillian down. Would it make you giggle for a second? Well, she would fall funny probably. I don't want to hurt her. No. But of course she would fall funny. She's a little old lady.

53:55Yeah. And the sound she would make would be hilarious. I wouldn't even really have to. She'd probably say something like, blurk, blurk. You know what I mean? No. Or yeah, something like that. Something crazy. Yeah. I mean, yeah. It's funny to think about. But I don't want her to fall. No. Because I love her too dearly. It would be sad. I did want to bring one thing up to you. Yeah. You got kicked off your high school cheerleading team. I did. How and why? Where's the research team? Right there. Bravo. You're looking at him. I got kicked off my high school cheerleading team. I made a joke about somebody's appearance.

54:26Rose, bud. Yeah. I did. That's horrible. What did you say?

54:33I literally can't. It was a fat joke, wasn't it? I can't repeat it on a podcast. It was a fat joke, wasn't it? No, it wasn't. You sick? No, it was her face. Oh. It was about her face. How old were you? 16? 17? I don't know how old you are in high school anymore. It's like 15 to 18. Yeah, so around that. Somewhere in there? Same age. Why'd you do it? Did she at least deserve it? I think she had said some shit about me, like, behind my back, or I'd heard about it. I don't remember exactly. All I remember was I was right. Yeah. Which is what you need to remember in arguments. But, you know, was I, should I have made the joke that I made?

55:10Not, probably not. No. Probably not. Yeah. But did it feel good to say it? Also, her face shouldn't look like that, probably, if she's going to be mean. That's the thing. If you're going to be mean, you have to be prepared for people to come for you. That's what I'm saying. I was like, you should be pretty. Yeah. If you're going to be mean in high school, you should be pretty. That's one of the main rules of high school. Yeah. Hello. Yeah. There was a, I remember there was a girl that I went to high school with who she accidentally sent a text about me to me. Shut the fuck up. In high school. And it was really mean.

55:41It was about how fat I am and how I need to like get on a treadmill. And I, I hadn't done anything to her. like I had just been she was annoyed by me which is not doing something to someone being annoying is not doing something to someone and I I really hated that girl for a long time yeah because I was like who were you going to send this to right did she tell you she didn't tell me who she was going to send it to did she cop to the fact that she was like oh she felt horrible she felt really bad what did she say how did she try to save it she was like she was like I'm so sorry that wasn't supposed to go to you obviously bitch I feel so bad and like obviously you don't deserve that and I was like I was like, yeah, we're not friends.

56:18You shouldn't talk to me for a while. And she was like, I'm so sorry. Can we talk about it? And I was like, no, there's really nothing to talk about. That was really mean. And I don't want to talk to you for a while. And I think I did eventually end up saying something mean about her family. I was like, if I came from a family like yours, I probably wouldn't be saying things this mean about people for no reason. Oh, absolutely. She came from a broken family. Good for you. Good for you. But I can say that because I also come from a broken family. But that's why I didn't talk bad about people is because my family is broken.

56:46Yeah, that's why. Yeah. No, I really think that like if you, I love that you said that to her. If you come from a broken family, you need to keep things pretty tight. Yeah. Yeah. The home structure's a mess. You should know how to keep secrets. Don't worry about me being fat. Where's your dad? Right? You know? Maybe if you were better at keeping your mouth shut, he wouldn't have left. Well.

57:10Meanwhile, my dad's not there either. You know what I mean? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. yeah god love her that's the thing is like i have a problem if i uh if i if somebody really pisses me off okay and it takes a while it takes a lot yeah it does but once somebody gets me there i will say something that i cannot take back because it is true yeah i will say you'll go to the truthful place i will go to a truthful place yeah and it's something that i've been observing for a long time and you can tell that I have chosen not to say anything about it and now I've crossed that threshold well I think a lot of comedians have this superpower which is that I'm not necessarily thinking negative about the thing that you hate about yourself but it's easy to tell it's so easy to tell what someone doesn't like about themselves and I can certainly log it and I'm not holding on to it I don't want to hurt someone ever but I will say I have a power that I don't use almost ever that I could really take someone down if I needed to Oh, a hundred percent.

58:08And I don't want to. But sometimes when people are evil, you get the impulse. Yeah, Caleb, it does kind of feel good when it happens. Well, of course, because if they've been evil, it's like, I'm Batman. Yeah. I'm like, I'm Robin Hood. Yeah, I'm a vigilante in my own life. Yeah, I'm doing good. I'm stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. Right. You know? Yeah. Even though the poor is me and the rich is also me. And the rich is me as well. Yeah. Yeah. I'm stealing from me and giving to me. Yeah. And so I win. I would love to see you lose your shit at some point. I mean, I don't want that for you, but I would love to see it.

58:39Like, I would watch it and be proud. Chance has known me since we were 17 years old. I mean, when do you think I most lost my shit? Oh, man. There's been a couple times. I think maybe when you've most lost your shit. Hmm. It doesn't happen very often, but I'm open to hearing about it. But there's been like little there. You kept it pretty calm, but you got close in Seattle when that guy was being weird because we like bumped into his door in the parking lot of the Starbucks. Oh, my God. He almost got a very interesting side of me. Yeah. So what happened was we were on tour and it was who was in the car that me, Lily, you in Virginia.

59:22Yeah. So Lily Sullivan was with us. Do you know Lily? She's this comedy bang bang. She's so fucking funny. I don't think I know her. You got to check out her stuff. She's so, so funny. She's been on the show. She's very funny. She went on tour with us for a little bit in the Pacific Northwest. It's me, Chance, our friend Virginia, who does social media for the show, and then Lily, who was like our guest for that leg. And we were leaving a Starbucks. And when we were getting in the car, one of the girls tapped, there was a car next to us, like tapped his car with our door. Yeah. Barely. Right. And this guy gets out and starts like yelling at her.

59:55And I was like, you get in the car. And then I got out and I was like, what's your problem? Yeah. And he was like, she hit my car. and I was like, she barely fucking touched it. You need to relax and lower your voice. Yeah. It's just like, I don't know, he was probably like 25 or something, something like Jim bro. Ew. And he was like, look. And I was like, I'm looking at it. There's nothing. And he was pointing to like a dirt spec that had transferred from the door. Right. And I went, I think you'll fucking live. Yeah. And he goes, no, no, give me your information. I was like, I'm not giving you anything.

1:00:21We're fucking leaving and you're not doing anything about it. Goodbye. Yes. And I got in the car and then he like followed us for a second. Yeah. Trying to take pictures of our license plate. Oh, he goes, he told me, I'm going to take a picture of your license plate. And I go, great. Have fun sending a picture of my rental car license plate to the cops. What does that mean to me? I was like, you're a loser. Get in your fucking car. I was inches away from having a physical fight with him. Yeah. Because he was yelling. Was it Lily or Virginia? It was at Lily. It really pissed me off. Yeah. You're like yelling at like a woman who barely touched your car.

1:00:53Yeah. I was like, psycho, get in your fucking car. You're a fucking loser. And his tone immediately, he didn't like get super cool, but his tone shifted big time when I got out of the car. Yeah. And I'm like, so you know what you were doing then? Yeah. You were being menacing because you thought you could get away with it. Right. So you're evil and someone should kick your ass. Yeah. I'm not going to because I have to go to a show. I have a show to get to. I have to do a show, a sold out show. But if I didn't, perhaps we would fight. Fight. We might fight with our hands. Yeah, that was close. That was probably the most recent time actually.

1:01:23Oh my God. I would love that. That's hot. That was crazy. That's hot to me. I'm toxic. You are. Tony Soprano told a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Tony Soprano gave a lot away. I know. I know. I can't help it though. There's something about it that like a man losing his temper, like in defense of a woman, does something. Oh, love it. Nice. Well, good to know. Yeah. Rosebud, it's been a delight to have you. It's been a delight to be here. We love you here more than life itself. I love you more than life itself. Thanks for having me. Do you want to tell people where they can find you, where they can watch the special, et cetera?

1:01:56Yeah. You can watch my special on Netflix. It's called The Motherload. L-O-D-E, not the gross way. Yeah, yuck. And I'm on tour. You can check my website, rosebudbaker.com. Go see Rosebud on tour. We love you, dude. Thanks for doing it. Thanks for having me. Yeah, anytime. That was a hate gum podcast.

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