Sarah Sherman Sees Everything

9 Apr 2026 · 1 h 9 min · 36 chapters

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In short

Sarah Sherman and Caleb discuss a wide range of topics through comedy, including: food allergies and “hot girls with tummy issues”/IBS culture; open relationships vs monogamy; whether psychics/mediums are real (with a specific “audience” example); religious beliefs about hell and how that shapes views of ICE agents; and celebrity/music talk (Aretha Franklin, Frank Ocean, Barbra Streisand). They also riff on SNL, JonBenét Ramsey casting fantasies, and “brat” behavior.

Guests

Sarah Sherman (comedian; known for SNL and an HBO special). Caleb (co-host/partner in conversation; referenced as doing comedy and having a special; also mentioned as getting fired in a story).

Key claims

“Hot girls with tummy issues” should be treated as medical issues, not a trend. Mediums likely use crowd-reading/crowdwork cues. Hell is “real” (in their view) as a moral counterpoint to ICE agents. Open relationships can feel imprisoning; monogamy can feel imprisoning too.

Notable examples

Sarah’s dairy-free/Jewish inability to eat dairy; a medium telling audience members their murdered son/wife “loves” the boyfriend; prunes used by actors to “flush out”; “Christmas Shoes” as a guaranteed tear-jerker; Aretha singing as “heaven.”

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Chapters

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Revisiting a Special Retreat

0:30 to 1:10

Caleb and Sarah reminisce about a memorable couple's retreat.

“You know, when we had our day together, kind of a couple days, that was kind of the best couple days of my life.”

Culinary Adventures and Dietary Restrictions

1:10 to 1:51

Discussion about cooking and food allergies during their stay.

“I'm on tour at a musical festival playing a baseball game.”

Food Allergies and Social Expectations

1:51 to 3:31

The awkwardness of discussing food allergies and their implications.

“I want to go back to when you didn't remember what day we were talking about.”

The Carrot Incident

3:31 to 4:27

A humorous take on how serious allergies can impact social interactions.

“For some reason that's because it's like kind of cool to be lactose intolerant.”

The Weight of Perception and Body Image

4:27 to 6:00

Discussion on body image issues and how they are perceived in society.

“As someone with like rampant diarrhea as someone who has basically as someone who pees out of my ass more than I pee out of my urethra.”

Reflections on Loss and Literature

6:00 to 7:05

A poignant discussion about loss and the impact of literature during tough times.

“I want to thank CAA, Mosaic, Jackaway Austin.”

The SNL Experience and Aspirations

7:05 to 8:00

Caleb and Sarah discuss the SNL experience and their aspirations.

“Well, you read The Year of Magical Thinking when you're in your lowest place.”

Discussion on Psychic Phenomena

8:00 to 10:00

A light-hearted debate about the authenticity of psychics and their claims.

“Saturday Night Live, the television show?”

Crowd Work and Relationship Dynamics

10:00 to 14:00

Exploration of crowd work in comedy and its relation to observing relationships.

“I get increasingly, I'm headed in a very annoying direction.”

Dating and Psychic Insights

14:00 to 14:40

Exploring a humorous psychic's take on dating dynamics.

“But how would she know that like, okay, sure she can look at the ticket holders, but how would she know that like they're dating but not married and that he has...”
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The Excitement of First Touch

14:40 to 15:28

Discussing the thrill of physical intimacy and its implications.

“Well I feel like if I see someone touching knees I go immediately to the man I go I'm sorry does she have like do you have consent from her like what's going on?”

Thoughts on Open Relationships

15:28 to 16:23

Sarah shares her views on the challenges of open relationships.

The Dilemmas of Casual Hookups

16:23 to 17:52

Examining the complications of casual relationships in daily life.

“Having a casual hookup over and being like, you got to get out of here.”

The Job Perception Spectrum

17:52 to 18:58

A light-hearted take on various job titles and their meanings.

“I do think you're cool, but I think you're cool in a way where you would go to the mental hospital first.”

Monogamy vs. Freedom

18:58 to 20:14

A discussion on the contrasting feelings of monogamy and freedom in relationships.

“And I love, by the way, that's one of the coolest things I've ever heard.”

Concepts of Hell and Morality

20:14 to 21:48

Exploring personal interpretations of hell and morality through humor.

“Quirked up Fucking quirked up white girl You're Jewish No I find out for the first time No Please Take it away And it is a disability and I'll explain It does give me ideas And therefore First of all First of all.”

Growing Up Without Fear of Hell

21:48 to 23:15

Contrasting experiences of growing up with and without religious fear.

“Other than just how ugly and pathetic they are.”

Christianity and Its Contradictions

23:15 to 24:47

Debating the inconsistencies within Christianity and its teachings.

“So I got really curious about all of them.”

The Cool Christian Perspective

24:47 to 26:05

Discussing a modern, inclusive view of Christianity.

“Do you get in trouble with your publicists a lot?”

Navigating Public Perception

26:20 to 28:00

Sarah discusses her public persona and the challenges of fame.

“It becomes you edit into a gif of us jacking off to whatever.”

Cute vs. Imposing: A Conversation

28:00 to 29:20

Exploring the perception of cuteness and size in personal identity.

“Then I'd get some fucking respect in the sound.”

Cute vs. Imposing: A Conversation

29:21 to 30:37

Exploring the perception of cuteness and size in personal identity.

“You can hand off your taxes to an Intuit, turret, to an Intuit, keep it, to an Intuit TurboTax expert today.”

Favorite Icons and Guest Selection

32:04 to 34:28

Discussing favorite gay icons and the criteria for podcast guests.

“You don't have to say me just because you're...”

The X Factor: Justin Bieber's Rise

34:29 to 36:31

Reflecting on Justin Bieber's early fame and talent recognition.

“Just like fucking like How old's your little brother?”

Emotional Connections to Music

36:32 to 42:00

Exploring how specific songs evoke strong emotions in listeners.

“Someone's like, hey, like we have a song and like people have to sing it.”

Humorous Anecdotes with Bill Maher

42:00 to 44:18

Listen to Sarah and Caleb share absurd and funny anecdotes involving Bill Maher.

“You have to do four more podcasts today.”

PowerPoint Comedy and Creative Process

44:18 to 46:28

They discuss the nostalgia and fun of PowerPoint comedy and their creative processes.

“Actually, you know this, but I wonder if the listeners know it because this is a part of our lore.”

Proud Moments and Specials

46:28 to 48:08

Sarah expresses pride in Caleb's achievements and discusses their respective specials.

“If America's funniest home videos was there it is and we got it out of earnestness and we got it right into America's home videos.”

Anxiety and Creative Pressure

48:08 to 51:16

The duo talks about the pressures of creating new material and managing stress.

“And the adult on the outside started playing with the microphone in a way I've never seen someone.”

Medical Anecdotes and Humor

51:16 to 55:40

Caleb shares humorous experiences from his medical visits and thoughts on health.

“Now I know there's a chamber in my mind dedicated to me being in Kenya and also being scratched, which is fascinating.”

Future Specials and Creative Ideas

55:40 to 56:01

They brainstorm ideas for future comedy specials and explore themes for their work.

“Well small dense boobs like a good biscuit.”

Comedy Special Concepts

56:01 to 56:56

The hosts brainstorm unique titles and concepts for comedy specials.

“Okay, your next special is called Small Dense Titties.”

Makeup Mishaps and Online Reactions

56:57 to 58:25

Sarah shares her experience with makeup on Trixie Mattel's channel and the backlash that followed.

“Sorry Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, but as if.”

Online Criticism and Tim Robinson

58:26 to 1:00:34

Discussion on online criticism faced by the hosts and comparisons to Tim Robinson's work.

“I looked at the Trixie one because I thought people were going to be charmed by me.”

Dreams and Their Significance

1:00:35 to 1:02:28

Exploration of the meaning of dreams and their importance in life.

“When are you writing the long read about that?”

Quickfire True or False Game

1:02:29 to 1:04:46

Sarah participates in a rapid-fire true or false quiz with Caleb.

“And if you get 10 or more correct, Sarah, we're going to give you 50 US dollars.”
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0:01Wave. Needle in arm. Other hand writing down definition for prep for a doctor. Teaching basically, who, by the way, who's the doctor and who's the patient? Teaching a doctor who, what prep is and what gay guys are. Also, he put, also I got my chart notes back and my chart notes said, risky homosexual behavior, obese.

0:24Today's episode is presented by, you guessed it, Intuit TurboTax. Now this is taxes. Sarah, how's it going, girl? You know, when we had our day together, kind of a couple days, that was kind of the best couple days of my life. Do you want to tell me what couple days you're talking about? Well, see, you have so much fun that you don't even think about the days that we shared together. Well, we went on basically a couple's retreat. Oh, my God. Well, I had some other stuff going on. You're talking about when... We had a sleepover. We had a sleepover in upstate New York. Right, we did. And we went to the Waxahachie MJ Linden Inn.

1:04You can't even think of what happened because every single day is a carnival for you. Every day. I'm like, hey, where are you? Are you in New York State? You're like, oh my God, sorry. I'm randomly globetrotting right now. I'm on tour at a musical festival playing a baseball game. It was the joy of my lifetime that you came and stayed at that house with us. You made a chicken. Did you not? I made a chicken. You came and stayed with me and my boyfriend. We played house. Yeah, and it was very like you were being very aware of my disability concerning milk and dairy. And you were very, you say, hey, what are you allergic to?

1:38I'm like, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm Jewish. I can't do dairy. And you took that. You said, okay, I'm okay. You also omitted an allergy, didn't you? And then it ruined my meal. Yeah. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Yeah, let's talk about it. I said, Sarah, we're filming the same movie. I want to go back to when you didn't remember what day we were talking about. All I remember is slights and transgressions. All I remember is when times you've hurt me. And how could that have been a slight and transgression? It was like a moment of self-protection. No. I said, Sarah, please tell me all of your various myriad food allergies.

2:07He took one look at me and he goes, you look sickly. What's going on? What can't you eat? I said, I want to cook you dinner. And then I cooked this gorgeous dinner. I cooked this gorgeous dinner. It was stunning. And it was like a banquet table. Well, it was a nice house. It was candlelit. I'm doing okay.

2:28And then I go to start plating stuff and Sarah goes, ooh, I can't have the entire salad you couldn't have. Oh, hurtful. You don't let me take care of you. Can you imagine? So like women's suffrage happens or whatever. I knew this would come up. You're always fucking talking about women's suffrage. Like Roe v. Wade teetering on the break. So it's like as a woman, dare I say, can I spike the camera? Can I spike the camera? Spike them all, yeah. And as a woman, every single day you have to be like, I'm brave, I'm strong, I'm powerful. And for me to admit, can you imagine having to admit to other adult human beings, I could be taken down by a carrot?

3:06Yeah. So I say, I don't want to admit I could be taken down by a carrot. I don't want, are you crying? I'm about to. I'm about to because I'm so sorry. No, exactly. No fucking idea. Like this whole time I thought you were being a bitch But the whole time you were being oppressed

3:27And if anybody wants to like kill me Take me down Assault me in any way All you have to do is carrot No one No one do anything with carrots to Sarah I'm saying this now If I have a carrot Guess what's gonna happen Both eyes swollen shut Lips huge Is it also apples or something What was it I don't think it was just carrots It's apples, carrots It's like That's the thing I can't even like admit it I can Cause I know that Yeah it's apples, carrots because like if i said that into but first of all if i let if this was public information can you imagine any restaurant there could be a spy sneaking something into my food yeah so you're paranoid you've got a food tester someone always with you like try this watching intensely to see if they start farming at the mouth and die i would never i would never poison you all i wanted to do is make you feel good and take care of you i know and i felt and i was like so when you were like what foods can't you eat like for some reason like it's so easy for me to just be like dairy am I right ladies?

4:20For some reason that's because it's like kind of cool to be lactose intolerant. Yeah, there's like a movement going on right now where people are like hot girls have tummy issues and I'm like go to the doctor. By the way, I fucking hate that. As someone with like rampant diarrhea as someone who has basically as someone who pees out of my ass more than I pee out of my urethra. Sarah Sherman. Of course. Of course. Sarah Nicole Sherman. Nice to meet you. Hey Caleb. Pleasure to admit business as someone who basically by my middle name should be nicole it should be ibs as someone with as someone who has the experience of having ibs the hot girls with tummy issues thing has got to stop i don't like the hot girls insert x like hot girls for zoran hey knock it off let's get serious shit is very serious we're talking about the rent not talking about your ass yeah i know Well hot girls with IBS it's like Well now you're thinking about my butthole now you're thinking about my ass Do you see what I'm saying?

5:19I'm not doing that when I hear someone has IBS I'm just feeling I'm just like oh damn they can't eat all the stuff I like Right well I want to say something That's like too mean Say it Well it's like Basically now I'm just being like Joan Didion now Where I'm like Go ahead I can't wait I can't wait to hear how you're being like Joan Didion It becomes like masked ED Like being like hot girl with like tummy issues. It's like this used to just be the laxatives thing in the 90s. Say that. T. Say that. And as someone who, again, has more hemorrhoids than I can count. One, two, three, four million. It hurts to sit right now.

5:55I got a baboon's ass. You're infested with hemorrhoids? Yeah. Wait. Can I say something? Yes. I was on a set recently. She works. Working. Working.

6:08I want to thank CAA, Mosaic, Jackaway Austin. my lawyers have 15 names. No, I was on a set and there were actors our age, okay? Talking about they eat prunes regularly to give themselves a flush out so that they don't gain weight. And I said, hey, fat person. Hey, fat person that you're talking to. And I'm saying, being like... My worst nightmare is that I would look like you. I'm like, oh, oh, okay. Okay, enjoy your prunes, granny. I really can't believe the... You're right, it is masking ED. Joan, you said that. You said thank you. And for a second I was like, why are you calling me Joan Didion?

6:44Slouching towards the toilet. Slouching towards Bethlehem. Honestly, Joan Didion body goals. Really? You want to look like Frail? Oh, has she passed? Has she passed? Pour one out. I pour one out. I pour iced coffee all over the floor. Joan. Shout out to Joan. That makes me really sad. You know, her book fucked me up after my dad died. Really? Oh my gosh. Well, you read The Year of Magical Thinking when you're in your lowest place. and it really, it's there for a reason. It's there to finish the job. Right. That book is there to finish the job when you're not feeling well. Have you read it? I haven't.

7:17Oh my gosh, have you lost someone dear to you? Randomly, not to brag. Not to brag, like nothing bad has ever happened to me. Okay, I hope it never does. But if you lose someone dear to you, pick up that book and let it do its thing. Wow, okay. Should I just like read it now and just like preempt? I really don't think so. Right, wait for something terrible to happen. I think you have to lose someone dear to you. Okay. If it ever happens to you. And I don't see anything bad ever happening to you, by the way. Don't you get that from me? That you're extremely blessed and charmed? Yeah. Totally. And by the way, no one's ever complained more in their entire life Jewish than me, of course, 100%.

7:53But it's like, I need to be reminded. I like that. I'm blessed and charmed. I'm blessed and charmed. You're extremely blessed and charmed. You got on SNL by making fun of them. You have the coolest life ever. That was crazy. That was really crazy. Yeah, totally. I really loved it. I wish you were in there with me. I really do. Saturday Night Live, the television show? I wish you were in the... I wish you were in the... Listen, I've said goodbye to that dream a long time ago. I think we both know my attitude would be a problem. But that's kind of what I want. They'd be like, we're staying for a 15th hour, and I'd be like, not me personally.

8:26Thank you, guys. There's a really cool, like, Omikase joint. I have to go to Omikase. I have a reservation. I'm so sorry, guys. Oh, my God, this is so random. I literally have a flight to Missouri. Lord? I'm on my way to Omikase. Did you hear that Caleb got fired because he called Lauren babe? He called Lauren babe and kept doing cheek kisses to him? I feel like your perspective would be interesting inside. On Saturday Night Live, the television show? I would like to have your kind of bratty. No one's really like a brat right now. I don't think that's true. There are some brats there right now.

9:02Don't play games with me. You have to say this because you work there, but let's get real. I see them at Omikase. All of a sudden, like a watermark trademarked by NBC thing starts like. Comes in and crushes you. There would have been like a reality where we're both like, oh, my God, our sketches just got cut. I don't think I would. I wouldn't. I have so much reverence for you and I would not handle it. Well, you would handle my attitude would be a problem. Do you think you would be like when you got cut, you would be like, hey. Oh, I would totally be like, why the fuck did we? I'd be like, we're cutting that.

9:35I wouldn't handle it gracefully at all. I'd start doing backdoor meetings. I'd start sabotaging people. I'd be like, you know Sarah talked shit on Laura. Tell them. You would be like, my JonBenet Ramsey impression was like fucking flawless, perfect, and you got it. Oh, God. And you know I want to play JonBenet Ramsey so bad. I just got, by the way, I just got that vibe from you. I just did a full head mind. No, I want to play the brother. I want to play the brother denying it. I want to play the brother denying it. I don't know what happened to her. You think he did it? You think he did it? He's so scared.

10:02The brother? You think the brother did it? Oh, I don't think he did it. no there's no way he did it yeah right no totally his name's like rex right i'm sorry you're gonna have to forgive me i don't know john bennett ramsey's brother's name at the moment chance what is it tell us now it's like t-rex uh burke or did i fucking stutter it's burke got two of them also joan didion moved on in 2021 oh she was promoted to her next opportunity in the sky. Wow. Is that that type shit you're on? That is nice. I get increasingly, I'm headed in a very annoying direction. We were just talking about Okay. I, you cannot Here's my thing.

10:45Tell me. All psychics are real. No, Sarah. Okay. Real Housewives of Melbourne. Australia.

10:57just

11:04it's like probably it just dropped on peacock property of NBC okay it's probably from like I'm gonna say like 2012 there is a housewife on it who is a psychic and I am so again this footage is from like 15 years ago I'm so addicted to her and I'm like this can't not be real. I've been watching all of her videos because she does a thing where she's like come to my show. What's the thing like where the medium like it's like a big show in like a big room. It's like a medium seminar pageant. Medium pageant. Pageant is what I want. I don't know what it's technical but I'd like to go with pageant. I know JonBenet Diva.

11:44Pageant? JonBenet Diva? Oh my god JonBenet Diva. Why didn't I do that? I should have already done that. I know. I should be on TikTok doing that right now. Oh, okay. There's content on the table. Do you mind if I step out? You go to the bathroom? You hear me in the bathroom? My brother did it. I come back out. We start the interview again. No, I don't think he did it. Okay. But you're obsessed with this. You think this psychic is real? Because everybody's like, come on. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm watching the... By the way, every video has like, no disrespect. I love this diva. Has like 400 likes.

12:16It's not like... To me, I'm like, well, this should be front page news. What's going on? It has 400 likes. Like maybe I should feel less bad about how all my standup clips have three and a half likes when I see Instagram. Three and a half. Someone liked and unliked. Someone like rested their finger on the body. I mean, she's nice enough. I mean, bless her heart. She's trying. No shot. Wait, what convinced you first? What convinced you first? This one video. Tell me now. Where she goes into, I don't tell. She goes into the audience and she's like, she says a name of someone. She's like, hey, this name is coming up.

12:49and like a woman's like hey yeah that's my son who died and she goes hey like he was murdered wasn't he and she was like hey yeah and then the psychic's like by this guy's name right and she's like hey yeah and so you're thinking like she could have googled this you know what i'm saying like you're like oh she looks at all the ticket buyers and like she this is like front page news that's exactly what i'm thinking of no no no no no no no stay with me stay with me diva So then, by the way, I'm watching this. You're sobbing. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah. See, if I had some carrots, maybe I would have to wear one.

13:28Hold on. What makes you think she's not just Googling? So then she goes, so the mourning diva, the grieving diva, is sitting next to her. Not grieving diva. Not grieving diva. Not mourning Barbie. Oh my god morning Barbie in a black veil Would be chic as fuck Trixie Mattel call them Oh my god Shiva Barbie All the mirrors covered It comes sitting in a chair This is why you're doing well for yourself This is kind of like entrepreneurial mentality So morning diva She goes like there's like a little old man sitting next to her And she's like okay so you guys are dating And just so you know Your murdered son loves your boyfriend And she says to the boyfriend just so you know your dead wife loves thinks you guys should be together.

14:14How fucking convenient. But how would she know that like, okay, sure she can look at the ticket holders, but how would she know that like they're dating but not married and that he has... I do this at my shows. This is crowd work. This is crowd work and I do it. You do it as well. You look at two people and you go, clearly they're dating. Look at the way they're touching knees. If they're touching knees a lot, it's new. Well I feel like if I see someone touching knees I go immediately to the man I go I'm sorry does she have like do you have consent from her like what's going on? She's taking advantage of you sir if she's bothering you sir you take his side automatically Wait can I say something?

14:54How hot is it when you have a crush on someone and you touch knees for the first time? It's like hello zing electricity through the pussy. Like I literally could cry right now that's so exciting. I know your clit's hard right now It's like yeah we can fuck or whatever but like touching knees are you gonna get married i've been thinking about this yeah what are you thinking i'm thank you for asking um i've been and who says you're not an amazing interviewer i know there's many long reads many long reads about how talentless i am but i'm here to prove them right hey i famously as everyone knows i've been in a very long-term relationship and for some reason i'm not married now it just never has come up we're very busy i'm a perpetual child but like it would be the best fucking party of all time are you guys open no do you want to know why because i find it disgusting sarah you can't say that if you want my audience to like you

15:58I just I I simply don't have the time but what I love about all of my my and listen I have friends everybody relax a lot all my friends are basically open and I meet a lot of very interesting people this way and I enjoy their openness unfortunately for me at this time on a day like today on a night like tonight in this era in this economy in 2026 it's not going to be happening for me yeah I I barely, with all the shit, I'm spending time on the, three hours a day on the toilet. Then I go to work. There's no time. Can you imagine? By the way, can you imagine? Having a casual hookup over and being like, you got to get out of here.

16:35It's toilet time. It's toilet time, baby. It's tummy time and then it's toilet time. Tummy time, toilet time. You know I'm busy. That's great. It was on the mic. Don't, please don't call that out. Please don't call that out. I think it's from my pants, but not in the SoTrudio. Please. Please not in the SoTrudio. You know it's important to us that you like it here. That's cute, so Trudio. I know, we need to get a little sign. Are you, you're an open. I did, I've done open. I am experimenting with potentially being extremely conservative again. Yes. In a gay way. Right. I think open, open, well here, well let's just talk about it.

17:08Yeah, I'm open. The benefit of open is that you get to fuck a lot of people. Right. That's awesome. Totally. the downside of open is that it causes you to question everything you thought you knew to be true okay so true so so you take a look and you go and then yeah there's then you have closed traditional monogamy right there's one thing about that is that it makes you feel extremely um imprisoned right but prison is secure and safe and sometimes i fantasize about you know i would just like to be locked up for like a small amount of time where i can't do or say anything and I just have to lie down.

17:45I see that for you. Thank you. Or go to a hospital. Either go to a hospital or a prison for a couple days. I think probably hospital. I think probably hospital just because I don't see you committing a crime. That's interesting. You don't think I'm cool? I do think you're cool, but I think you're cool in a way where you would go to the mental hospital first. Right, thank you for saying that. Some of my favorite people have been in the mental hospital. Of course. I know I'm going to say one to four hundred bisexuals who have been there. Yeah. They're really in there. They're really in there. Here's my thing about open.

18:17Don't say it. And again, I love all my she's and they's who are open. I love them to death. I sometimes wonder how they have a day job and that at the same time. Well, they're not good at their day jobs. And a lot of their day jobs are fake. They're an account manager. When you're an account manager, you can make anything happen. There are so, yes. And by the way, when you say account manager, you say something like that. And I go, well, what is that? There are so many jobs where I go, well, what is that? Account manager and project manager are the jobs I go to when I'm like, I don't really know what that means.

18:50You make$85 ,000 to$316 ,000 a year to ultimately be at the park in the middle of the day. And I love, by the way, that's one of the coolest things I've ever heard. No, it's like amazing. I'm jealous. I'm happy for you. Yeah. Yeah, I just, but you've been open and you would say that it takes, you're like, well, But are you either doing the relationships or doing your job? Well, here's the thing. I've done open sexually. I'm never carrying on multiple relationships. I'm in a relationship and I'm sleeping with other people. That's mostly just because I'm gone all the time. And I'm like, what? Going to be not getting laid all the time?

19:27Right. That sucks. That's kind of your thing is you're getting laid all the time. It's like basically before I got to the studio, I was literally swatting guys off of you. I was like, hey. You know, I'm just saying if you're gone all the time, it's like, what? You're not going to have sex. I'm not going to have sex it's like this is like the war or something right like you're like waiting on me to return from war and I like that I like to punish I like to hold out I like to I like deprivational mindset 15 I thought that was all we had left I'm very I like being strict I don't like being fun and I like saying to my boyfriend you can't have you'll never have sex with another woman ever again for as long as you live first I thought you were doing a peace sign You'll never have sex with another woman for as long as you live Being cute right after Quirked up Fucking quirked up white girl You're Jewish No I find out for the first time No Please Take it away And it is a disability and I'll explain

20:34It does give me ideas And therefore First of all First of all. Second of all. So I never like thought about, I mean, obviously I thought about hell because I'm like Iron Maiden. Yeah. Or whatever. Of course. Or like fucking Tim Curry playing like the devil in like Legend. Tom Cruise was really hot in that movie. But like, oh, I actually am thinking about hell for, we are getting interesting today. Yeah. We'll go back to the psychic. I like it. I like seeing you like this. On my knees. No. Well, no. No, not begging for Judaism to be removed from your body. Not that part. I'm like, oh my God. I think about hell now constantly because I think about how like every time I see an ICE agent on the news, I'm like, oh, you're going there.

21:21Like hell is real and you're going there. I've been saying they're randomly like in a roundabout way, their mission to make everyone Christian is kind of working on me because now I'm wanting hell to be real so that they have somewhere to suffer forever. I'm like every single ICE agent, no matter why they got into it, no matter which. I don't care if they're just like checking paperwork at the office. Yeah. If you work for ice, when you die, you will burn in hell for all eternity. Right. And I need to believe that so that I can believe something will happen to these fucking freaks. Yeah. Other than just how ugly and pathetic they are.

21:50Right. So obviously this existence is also hell for them. They look like that, but I need something to happen afterwards. And nobody likes them. They walk down the street and everyone goes, boo, you suck, bitch. They fall down and people are like cheering and clapping. People love them falling down. Yeah. I mean, it's a totally sad existence. and they're doing it all for like what a Camaro I don't I it's just like completely pathetic I need to believe that something bad happens to them when they die right not saying they should die right no I totally hope that they live they're doing their jobs of course um but yeah I think when they die they should go to hell and I've never and I think about like I know that like I have so many friends who grew up in the church oh in the church have you ever heard of it or like grew up like my you know my boyfriend grew up catholic and so like nuns would be like don't jerk off or you're gonna go to hell and so they grow up like being like when you grew up were you like i'm afraid of hell oh yeah terrified see this is i never had this i know because of yeah which is just like yeah i took an intro to judaism class in chicago oh do you know that no Oh, you're Jewish curious?

23:01Shout out girl. Actually, don't shout her out. We'll cut that. I'm not sure about her politics regarding Israel. So we're actually going to take that shout out out. We'll bleep that. Yeah, I took it and I was so fascinated to learn. I didn't grow up around any other faiths at all. So I got really curious about all of them. And I was so fascinated to learn that you guys were just growing up without like a fear of burning alive forever. No, I was just afraid of my mom. Like, that's it. Like, oh my God, she's going to be so looking at me out of the sides of her eyes if I do this. And that was enough.

23:30That was enough, by the way. That was enough, by the way. But I actually think I've lost some fantasy. Because there's a lot of imaginary fantasy with being a kid, thinking about what hell looks like. That's basically Lord of the Rings. You know what I'm saying? It's like I missed out on dragons and Jesus shooting lasers out of his eyes or whatever. So now I'm 27.

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23:58thinking about hell for sorry just check the clock 24 so now here at 21 years old barely legal i'm all of a sudden actually meditating on hell for the first time in my life for real really because i'm thinking about these guys going there yeah the big the big turn off for me on christianity there were a little small one a bunch of little small ones but the big one that i was like i really can't do this anymore when i was a teenager was the idea that every other like the idea of christianity is that every good muslim person every good jewish person every good sikh person like everybody who's not christian even if they're a phenomenal human being they all go to hell i was like this won't work this is crazy that makes no fucking sense well so like i would go to the hell the hell you would go to the hell that the ice agents are in and they wouldn't go to hell they wouldn't go to hell oh because they're christian they like jesus some of them is that actually christian that is christian yes that's christianity it's crazy not enough people are talking about this christianity is crazy you know what the weird thing is like no one's no one's talking about this i forget how crazy it is sometimes because my mom's one of the cool christians that's like everybody is good we love everybody like she fucking loves trans people like right she's like a jesus christian right no like meg jesus is yes exactly meg is very meg was the first person i ever met that who was like jesus rocks yes and then i read that zealot book or and everyone's like, oh, he's hanging out with fucking prostitutes, and he's like a hippie with sandals.

25:25He was a sandals hippie. Jesus Christ was sick. His fans are weird. Yes. His fans are weird as fuck. Well, we know many fandoms like this. Yeah. Unfortunately. How do you feel about your fans? Do you get in trouble with your publicists a lot? Are you like... Is the HBO publicist in the room with us now? Do they have a sniper rifle in the corner of the room, just in case you talk bad about the company? I don't have a personal publicist. I have like we work with like SNL PR and HBO PR to tell people to be watching but I don't have a personal one. You want to plug it now? Plug it now. Do a sincere plug Sarah.

26:03I had a special that came out on HBO a couple months after Caleb's beautiful special and it would boohoo. If you guys don't want to burn in fucking hell for all of eternity how do I watch it? Go watch Sarah's special on HBO or you burn in hell for eternity. Hey click this link YouTube. We'll do a minute long pause of us just doing this. Up to the link. It's on a green screen. It becomes you edit into a gif of us jacking off to whatever. This is jacking off. Jacking off to whatever, of course. Yeah, of course. This is what fisting is. This is why I ask if you're getting in trouble with your publicist.

26:36Or in general. I feel like I say whatever I want all the time. And I can feel my publicist starting to get scared of me. Oh, sure. You be saying. I remember. I'm saying. I remember. you stay saying i remember when you got you did get in trouble did you get did you incur the wrath of the bisexual army i'm in trouble every week sir right there's really there's i could say something so innocuous and never in a million years you think i would put it out if i thought i was gonna get in trouble i say these things thinking i'm fine right and then someone gets mad at me i can't even count the number of communities that have been upset with me but i'm like this is we're supposed to be having fun i think we're having fun also like what i i I'm curious.

27:13What could we even say? What would we be talking about then? What do you want me to talk about? Snapple facts on the cap. The only thing I could think of. Yeah, that's PG. Why don't we read the Snapple? I love when you go into this. Who is this? This meek person I like. This is kind of a new character. I like meek Sarah. Hey, guys. Who does it remind me of? It reminds me of... Do you have any cricket? No, well, maybe. Well, maybe. Well, no, it reminds me of Kate Micucci. Oh, hey, guys. Shout out, Kate. Shout out, Kate. You're going to pull out a ukulele and do us a song. She's so cute. She's adorable.

27:57I wish I was adorable. You are. No, look at that. You have to be small to be cute. Look at that. Well, I have the reverse. I wish I was like 10 feet tall. Really? Then I'd get some fucking respect in the sound. I'm strong and handsome. I wish I was cute. Like a tiny little You have to be so small You're small Sarah You're cute Look at the big shoes I wear I like being imposing Your shoes are big You want to be scary to people Yeah I want to lord over people and be like Hey! If you had a different haircut and you dressed less awesome I know You would be so adorable coated I know To me you're like To me you're like this crazy fun chick.

28:41How dare you? If you had a bob, you'd be like a cute little girl. Bowen is obsessed when I have a bob. When I go like this in a bob wig at work, it drives men insane. It would drive me wild. It drives gay men insane. A bob drives gay men insane. It does. If a woman gets a bob, it's for the gay male gaze. And what is it? Is it because they just like saying like, Bob. No. Not to drag gay guys. No, you did. You really dragged us there.

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32:02That was hurtful. Who's your favorite gay guy? You don't have to say me just because you're... Joan Rivers. No worries. No worries. No worries at all. Hey, I have to go to the bathroom. Yeah. Sobbing, doing your TikToks. You hear me in there? When your friend's a huge bitch to you and you have to pretend it's okay, come back out. Let's get back to it, shall we? You're like, fuck, I have to make it seem like I was going to the bathroom and you're... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, Sarah? You like that poopy girl? Sarah, you like poop stuff, right, girl? It's funny that you didn't pick a gay guy, though.

32:33You went for Joan Rivers. It was, like, literally the first guy. Like, you said gay guy, and I went, Joan. She's the inspiro. She's the inspiro. She's the inspiro. She's the inspiro. Who's your favorite gay guy? My favorite gay guy? Yeah. Can't pick me? You can't pick you. My favorite gay guy? Oh, my gosh. Bruce Valanche. Oh, that's good. He should come on the fucking podcast. He's not allowed. Why? I don't know him. I only have people I know on the show. Is that so true? That's completely true. We have so many guests. How many people do you know? Nobody gets more annoyed than, you should see the requests that come in.

33:06People are mad at me. And you're like, I don't know you, bitch. I say, let's go to lunch or something first. And then they say, it's not that serious to us. And I go, okay. Wait, why, why, why, why, why? Because everybody does celebrity interviews. I'm like bored by that. I'm like, let's have an actual conversation. Let's get to know each other a little bit. Who would you like be like a breakdown of fucking barriers and be like, I understand that you don't. Hold on. Sorry. Pardon my French.

33:35I wanted to. Do you see that? You were like, Sarah, speak up. Say it with your chest. And I did. You did. It was beautiful the way you're acting. And if you bleep that out, you're silencing the female narrative. Oh, we won't. You magnify it. Can you get louder? Can you loud in the... We're going to make your burps so loud. Great. Yeah. If who would you be like Okay I know we don't know each other And you are on Like you are literally like a person That I actually can't even get to know But you can come on my podcast I don't think there's anybody I don't think there's anybody but it could change I'm not held to any of this What if Trump was literally like I'll come on Well none of his stupid little Like weak alpha shit would work on me Like his dumb little handshake thing where he tries to pull someone in You're not gonna pull me in right i'm standing my ground i'm standing i'm standing my ground i'm standing on business it's not clocking to you drum what was the full sentence what what was the full sentence it's not clocking to you is it it's not clocking to you that i'm standing on business is it you were obsessed with this was this when we were in new york yes yeah i was obsessed with is it business is it sarah was walking around our this little house that we had in upstate new york just talking to no one out loud being like it's not clocking to you guys you guys aren't clocking my business i became like a stim yeah business is it is it dude like and then that he's attractive he did something there didn't he he's attractive to me are you attracted to him i need him he is my like he is he is the same age as and looks like my little brother so when he's on that fucking stage at the fucking grammys in his fucking underwear.

35:14Just like fucking like How old's your little brother? Gotta be. Well if I'm 24

35:24Get your hands off of him. Yeah. Don't touch him How old's your little brother? Well I'm just like Justin Bieber is like in his 30s. You have a little brother in his 30s? Is he in his 30s? Justin Bieber? Isn't he like but he's America's little prince isn't he? For about 20 years now. Sorry. Canada. Canada's little prince. You know I discovered him. You were one of the YouTube believers? I was a believer before. No one wants to talk about this. The media tries to silence me. No one does. Before Usher got there. No. Before any record labels. No. I was watching him cover Brian McKnight on YouTube because I was looking up Brian McKnight back at one covers.

36:03And guess who had one? Justin Bieber. Ask me how many views were on the video when I got there. 42. Well, like a thousand. It's a very small number. That's a very small number. I was watching him sing Chris Brown, sorry, covers on YouTube before all the hitting and stuff. And I was a believer. Not many people fucking have it. Not many people have that fucking X factor. Not many people have the star power. Not many people have it. He has IT it. Do you have a musical talent? This comes up. Yeah. This comes up at my job. Yeah. Someone's like, hey, like we have a song and like people have to sing it.

36:40and I go, gun to head? I could do it. Yeah. Because isn't that the thing with singing? Like, everyone can sing. You just don't feel like you can. Like, you just don't believe her in yourself enough. I have the opposite thing. No. I can't, but I really think I can. I feel it. Okay, judgment-free zone. Just fucking go. Just fucking go? Give me a song. My eyes are literally closed. Oh, say can you see? By the what? By the dawn's early light Oh, Caleb! But see, what you're hearing is like, yeah, I hit a dumb little gay guy run. In my ears, I'm like, that was Aretha. I'm like, I was doing Aretha. I'm like, I was on a level right there that most people can't achieve.

37:27And that's the disconnect of my kind of... Well, not to fist your ego, but that sounded kind of fucking amazing to me. Did it sound like Aretha? No. And so that's my problem is I feel like I sound like Aretha. And in fact, I sound like a gay guy who was like the fourth best guy in his musical theater program. That's my issue. And this is what you were talking about where you're like, I'm not a narcissist, but I exhibit moments where it is bordering on. I have moments where I love myself a little too loudly. Hey, hey. Sometimes I think I'm Aretha. Oh, my God. If you had to audition for what? I just thought about her at Carole King's Mark Twain Prize.

38:03Let it out. or Kennedy Center Honors. Did you ever see that? No. She comes out. No. Aretha. No. Comes out. No. Fur coat. No. Splendor. Fur coat. Splendor. Purse in hand. Not leaving it backstage. Well, because you can't trust those. And she doesn't. Sets the purse on the piano. Sits down. Starts playing. You make me feel like a natural woman. K.R. King. Sobbing. Barack Obama. Sobbing. Me. Sobbing. Everyone's sobbing. I'm not in the room. I'm sobbing at home watching on YouTube. But like in a way you were. In a way you were in the room. I wish I was Maybe that's heaven If hell is like whatever Getting fisted by a thousand devils And the sixth ring of hell Then that's heaven And heaven is listening to Aretha sing And like sobbing with Barack Obama I do want to go to a concert with Barack I think I went to Amber Mark recently And I feel like Barack would have had a great time at it He's always putting out He's like this is my playlist And I'm like oh please Sorry He keeps getting dunked on He keeps being like I love this indie musician and then that musician's like, you're a war criminal.

39:02They never address it. Great. He still loves the song. I don't know what to tell you. They're playing it on the fucking drones. Great. That whole jig was up when he started putting out that he loved Boy Genius songs. I was like, you don't need to be listening to Boy Genius. You have enough. By the way, look at yourself. Look at yourself in the mirror. You're getting up there. You're too old to be listening to Boy Genius and telling us about it. At least have the decency to listen to it in private. Don't do that to them. Did you see Barbara at the Oscars? Who?

39:33Yeah, let's just light me. Just fucking light me. I'm really sorry. I didn't watch the Oscars and now I'm feeling bad, but what did someone have a viral moment? Barbra Streisand sang in memoriam at the Oscars. For who? Robert Redford and I was so big. Oh, you loved it? Because it was like a jump. Oh, you never think like Babs singing live. When do you think that's just going to happen? Yeah. So she, first of all, she gave like a 15 minute monologue. Everyone's like, kind of, what are you talking about? And she was at a podium that had a stationary mic. Yeah. And she brings out a wireless second mic.

40:13Yes. Stays at the podium where there's the first mic. And fucking go sobbing. Did she kill it? I mean, you saw the Google images you just brought up on the monitor. I didn't see any Google images. If we put on a video right now of a woman singing that would make you sob, would it be? Oh, right now, a woman singing that would make me sob. The first thing I thought of wasn't a woman. Fuck, that's embarrassing. What was it? It was fucking Frank Ocean covering him singing I Miss You at the Bowery Ballroom. Cell phone footage from the audience. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I get stoned to listen to this song sometimes and just think about what's all going on.

40:53Wow. And that's for you. Sob. Oh, Frank Ocean. if you can hear me we're ready for new music and if you need a boyfriend Frank Ocean in the room right now Frank Frank Frank you want to put out music you want to put out music I want him to put out music you know what he never entered my kind of my he never pierced the veil of my bubble I am hurt but not surprised and I'll take that and I'll learn I'm sitting my white ass down and I'm listening I'm putting my hair in a messy bun and I'm handling it I'm putting on some Frank Ocean I'm putting my hair in a messy bun I'm putting on my dance goes, I'm putting on my scrubs, and I'm clocking into the music hospital.

41:31Thank you. And I'm putting my gloves on, and I'm ready to learn. I should make you a playlist. Oh, I'll take that. I should make you a playlist. I'll make you a playlist in return. I would love that. You're not going to like what you hear. No, I will. I like that kind of stuff. Well, you know the song that makes me cry? Without fail, every single time, Christmas shoes. Oh, Sarah. That's like designed in a lab to be hurtful. That's like a course. And it works. Yeah. Every single time. Oh, the Christmas shoes. They're for Christmas. They're for Christmas, but she can't. but she can't. Oh, of course.

41:59They're for Christmas, but she can't. Oh yeah, the Christmas shoes. Oh God, I wish she could. Do not cry right now. You have to do four more podcasts today. Who else podcasts are you doing today? Let me see. Bill Maher. Yeah, you love that guy. You guys are like always spotted canoodling. Yeah. I was always catching us at Balthazar, like fucking hitting the vape and going on Club Random. I saw you and Bill sharing a cigar at Via Corotta recently. We did a human centipede on Dimes. Yeah. We were spotted centipeding at Dimes. What was that picture of you sitting on his lap at Corner Store? No, I was sitting on his face at the Plaza Hotel.

42:46So that's what you saw. Yeah, we were in the lobby at the Bowery 69ing. Right. Oh, you must have been talking about the blurry photograph that they thought was footage of Bigfoot, but it was me and Bill Maher. Let me think of a new sex thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Try to think of, get a new sex thing for the bit. Gaping? Well. It doesn't work really with the Bigfoot thing. Right, so if someone thought they saw Bigfoot, but it was actually just me getting out of the shower. Oh, yeah, so it was paparazzi footage of... Paparazzi footage. Of the one hotel. Yeah. And it was through the window, a picture of me getting out of the shower.

43:25Yeah. And they thought it was Bigfoot, my hairy ass. Yeah. Okay, I got there. Where was Bill in all this? Just so I'm clear. I haven't seen the images yet. He was sitting in the hotel, cuck chair in a robe, penis out. Penis out, yeah. Waiting for you to get out of the shower. He made you shower first. He said, Sarah, you're a mess. Take a shower before we do our thing. I need a fine podcast, Sarah. I got to wash the stank off you. The fact that you refuse to answer me. God, I want to know what podcast you're doing. I only know one, and I don't even want to talk about that one. That one? And Grace O'Malley?

43:59I know Grace O'Malley. And so she's going to be getting my presence as well. Nice. Do you think I'm a good podcast guest? I really do. I think the world of you. I think that you're an amazing podcast host. You're really good at talking. Thanks, Sarah. It's amazing how good you are at talking. You know, I've been a fan of yours for a very long time. Me as well. Actually, you know this, but I wonder if the listeners know it because this is a part of our lore. It was a very big deal for me when I got booked on your show in Chicago. That was amazing. I remember exactly. Were you talking about footage of you at a concert?

44:29I don't remember. Were you a bouncer? Oh, yes. I brought that up. I was doing PowerPoints at the time. Yes, yes, yes, yes. PowerPoint comedy was such an era. It was such an era. And by the way, people have gotten a little late. Bring the PowerPoints back. I know y 'all don't want to show up 10 minutes before a sound check or whatever. Yeah. to do your PowerPoint, bring those PowerPoints back out. I did one for the first time in years recently. I did like a little show in LA and I was like, I'll just throw a PowerPoint together because I'm like, kind of don't have new material at the moment. No, I have nothing.

44:59But I have some stuff I want to talk about, but it's not structured as like good standup. So I was like, I'll do this like, I'll do like basically a hacky bit. And I didn't have a fucking blast by the way. No, literally. Sometimes it's fun to just have a little fun. But on the way, maybe Carrot Top was onto something when he said, maybe I need a prop or two. Carrot Top was completely onto something. By the way, I saw his show recently, it's fucking amazing. Really? You're like, yeah, that's why you fill out the Luxor. I have everything. Fill out. That's why you fill out a nice pair of pants. That is why the Luxor sold out every single night.

45:26Because this is a fucking show. And there were new jokes. Yeah. That were about pop culture. Hello? Hello? He's doing jokes about train dreams. And the other Oscar contenders. Did you watch train dreams? No, should I? Watch train dreams. Everybody watch train dreams. Oh, shit. I loved it. You should have been saying this before the Oscars, girl. It didn't get enough conversation. I don't care who wins those awards, but it got a little buried in the conversation about the other ones. One battle after another, Sinners. Love them both. Me on the toilet, one battle after another. You what? You didn't love one battle after another?

46:00I said me on the toilet is one battle after another. You see kind of when I got a pep up. Me with Bill Moore in the hotel room is Sinners. You want to talk about Sinners? Talk about what I'm doing with Bill at the one hotel. Marty Supreme? you mean um no let me get there yeah get there marty supreme while you work that out i'm just going to tell the listeners train dreams it's streaming on netflix a company that i love and i want y 'all to check out this movie it's really beautifully shot it's gorgeous william h macy oh oh don't tap me with a good time hello

46:37hello chicago shameless doing like gay mad libs with william h macy like not having like one thing to say but like out loud saying a train of thought hello boogie nights Chicago shameless hey senator you know that song

47:01I have okay you just put out specials wait hold on I want to talk about your special I want to finish saying what I was saying because we got off track I want to get back to the psychic when we were in Chicago we're never getting back to the psychic why don't you believe a little bit I'm getting something we're never getting back to the psychic getting booked on your show was a very big deal for me you were being so hilarious that I remember and it was like 10 years ago I was such a fan of yours then now I know you better and I've learned and I'm really proud of you I'm really happy I'm really really proud of you I'm so glad that you're on SNL and I'm so glad that you have this new special out and now I want you to plug it okay here's the thing you know how and I'm going to take that and I'm just trying to accept it I'm accepting it and it means a lot coming from you and I'm serious about that because you're one of America's funniest.

47:51If America's funniest home videos was there it is and we got it out of earnestness and we got it right into America's home videos. You're like I'm going to accept that compliment so I was screaming out of my ass into the toilet the other day hating my earnest compliment I don't care I'm proud of you I will effing take that but I will say you know how people say the thing where you're probably so sick of hearing this but like you know and the compliment it's like never been sick of hearing it never tired of compliments oh I'm sorry someone said to me recently about the special they were like I didn't want to tell you because I'm sure you get like a hundred texts about this but like oh my god it was so amazing you think I'm getting a hundred texts about this you probably get this all the time I don't I need it I need it bad so even though I shirked off your compliment and kind of ricocheted off my irony shield know that inside, the small child inside of me was savoring it.

48:55And the adult on the outside started playing with the microphone in a way I've never seen someone. And to me, that's beautiful. And I love forcing my comedian friends to sit with earnestness every once in a while. What do you think about this body language? Closed off, closed off. I think it's adorable. And here's what I'm struggling with. We put out ours. Now we have to rebuild from ground zero. Yeah. Tough. Do you know how I'm approaching that? just taking a long time off i taking a long time off see you giving your you giving your and i had a stroke um okay no problem um you giving yourself permission to do that is allowing me also to think about doing that babe you're you're working on a show that puts out new material every single week i think you're not there strangely enough i think if you give yourself some time to rebuild the stand-up that would be more than appropriate so you how are you even going about thinking about rebuilding santa i'm not i don't care oh my god this it'll come when it comes you are it'll come when it comes what are you talking about you're sir you're you're brilliant you know what you're doing you're gonna live a life you're gonna live a life and then it's gonna come to you you get you allow you are such a positivity fountain and you're you're like literally look look at my body language i'm crumpled up i'm white knuckling the microphone i'm in physical pain and you're like hey hey hey listen listen maybe i'll be in kansas city tomorrow maybe i'll be on a bike maybe i'll be there it's all good girl are you stressed about building another hour yes what is this what do you think is the source of the stress just that you won't come up with it i i the sort you know and again the source of the stress i grind my teeth so hard in my waking life and sleeping life and that's how i refer to being awake and asleep my waking life because they're to because i had a crazy dream last night yeah i fell asleep on a park bench in kenya and i woke up with scratches all over my back who did the scratches i don't know and i don't know how i ended up in kenya well sometimes we go to kenya and i looked at a map and i was like where am i i'm like i'm in kenya oh my god not well not me being in kenya no scratches everywhere anything but that i'm covered in scratches in kenya so interesting kenya i'll be looking i'll be looking this up later.

51:11Have you ever been to Kenya? No, but my mind palace now includes Kenya. Yeah. Now I know there's a chamber in my mind dedicated to me being in Kenya and also being scratched, which is fascinating. I know. And I woke up scratched all over. You ever had your dreams analyzed? I go to a dream analyst. Okay. So what did they say about this? Oh, it's going to come up. It's going to come up. Will you get, will you earnestly, maybe someone here with you that's watching. Maybe someone here in the room with us. Maybe someone on the other side of the curtain could remind Sarah to get back to me about what the Kenya scratching dream means i do want to hear what the analyst has to say about okay okay okay yeah but what what is the source of the anxiety about the hour so i'm always like i i like i clench my teeth so hard that i have bone growths in my mouth from pressure yeah so i'm just always stressed and anxious but there's no reason so it's like i shouldn't be stressed about the new hour you shouldn't it's gonna you're gonna you're gonna have another great hour when it's time to have another great hour.

52:09Is this like what you said? You're like, you're like, is this how like your inner monologue is? It's so amazing. The, what did I just say? Like, why are you like this? You just had a good mom. Like, you're just so, it's just great. Well, you had a good mom. I know, but like, what is, you're so, it's so great. I want to be where you are in your mind. I don't know. Don't you feel, I guess, I guess no, but don't, I think that you should feel, I think you have every right to feel. Sure. I am surprised that you don't feel. what I feel is objectively true about you, which is that you have a singular voice.

52:43You're a hard worker. You're nice to people. You are comedically... You're like a comedic genius. I really think the hour will come when it's supposed to come. Until then, we just live life. You just put out an incredible... It's an accomplishment. You should be like, at least for the next year, you should just be proud of the accomplishment of putting out that special while working on SNL. One of the most grueling work schedules in the fucking history of television. I think maybe we just give yourself some time to relax and enjoy life. You guys put me hook me up to an EKG machine. My heart explodes.

53:11We put a blood pressure cuff on me and it explodes. Everything just explodes. All medical equipment that touches you explodes. The doctor explodes. Honey, I was. The nurse, we're going to take your vitals. Explodes. Take me out to dinner first before we make a nurse explode. Something like that. Maybe that's going to be the new I'm making the nurse bust. Maybe that could be kind of the new hour. I was getting my blood taken like last week. She was doing the thing. She chose this time. You can still see the little hole. she was taking my blood and she had beautiful eyes this nurse and you said that and I go do people tell you a lot that you have the most stunning eyes and she goes yeah I said don't be bashful while you're taking my blood diva took four vials by the way and by the way oh she was just enjoying hanging out with me by the way do you ever realize we were like oh it's been ten seconds and four vials of blood came out I started getting really light headed I was like this shit comes out fast and why are you taking so much of it all for an AIDS test please please I don't have it next next by the way imagine her deep COVID mask on and all you had to hang your hat on with those beautiful eyes she was doing well she must have been pulling gorgeous eyes oh my god and by the way do you think anyone has ever said like I'm sure you're tired of hearing this and then she goes no I'm not tired no she loves it she loves it and I asked my this is in this is in the suburbs of Kansas City and not quite rural Missouri but I asked my doctor I was like yeah I'm thinking about getting on prep I just like thinking about getting on prep and he goes I have never heard of that I'm going to step out and do some research and I'll come right back in he stepped out he comes back in he goes we can do that he sat his white ass down and listened he put his hair in a fucking messy bun and handled it and then while I was getting my blood drawn country like 14 year old girl walking her grandma through the doctor's office she goes are you Caleb Heron and I went please I'm a needle in my arm blood pouring out of me are you caleb harren by the way carrying this country on your fucking back needle in arm other hand writing down definition for prep for a doctor teaching basically who by the way who's the doctor who's the patient teaching a doctor who what prep is and what gay guys are also he put also i got my chart notes back and my chart notes said risky homosexual behavior obese and i said check check baby yeah i know that's fucking right check like did he stutter?

55:33Is that Caleb Aaron's chart? Yes it is honey. Risky obese homosexual. Isn't that special? Got a mammogram literally on the chart. What did it say? Small boobs incredibly small and dense. Well small dense boobs like a good biscuit. Small and dense like a good breakfast biscuit. By the way you think I could go near a biscuit with a 10 foot pole girl? By the way you think I can eat a biscuit? Think again. Oh I want. I'll be engaged and married to the toilet if I do that. Okay, your next special is called Small Dense Titties. And mine's called Risky Obese Homosexual. Nina. Nina at HBO. Erin. Nina.

56:11Erin. Give us a call. Erin Nina. Give us a call, girls. What if my next special is just me? Blonde. White t-shirt. No offense. Jeans. And it's just like Sarah presents. Dating is kind of weird. Sarah Sherman presents Sarah on Sarah. Yeah, Sarah on Sarah. Sarah Sherman presents Sarah on Sarah, the dating special. Your next special should be An exploration of normie You should explore normie in your next special I should No clashing patterns No mullet I pass away immediately Wig contour Contour down beat The saranormal activity That's actually kind of interesting I got in so much trouble on Trixie Mattel's channel She had me do her makeup And everyone was so mad at me that I was bad at it Sorry Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, but as if.

57:02I don't know how to do makeup. I'm like, I felt, people were mad at me. They thought I was trying to sabotage tricks myself. No. As if she needs any help sabotaging herself. God, she's talentless and mean. She needs me to come do her makeup badly to tank it. Once you guys learn some things about her, trust me, you'll tune out. It would have been so weird if you did a good job. I fucking did a bad job and everyone was mad at me. And the thing is, I tried. Well, you know when like, when Bobby Flay has that show where he's like, I'm going to come to your fucking hometown and I'm going to do your fucking food better than you.

57:30I'm like, dude. We believe you. We know. You're fucking famous. You're Bobby Flay. You're Bobby Flay. You don't have to come into my town on the day of my daughter's wedding and do my gumbo better than me. It's rude. So imagine you went to Trixie Mattel's house on the day of her daughter's wedding and did her makeup better than her. Everyone would have been mad too. I know. It's crazy. If you Bobby Flayed her ass. They thought I was going to train for it. You think I'm going to train? I'm going to do training classes on makeup to do a mentally ill homosexuals YouTube channel. Well, by the way, did you do problematic face on her?

58:07I will say the foundation was darker than it should have been. Well, there you go. I wasn't trying to do black face, but we got pretty close. And I think that's beautiful. And I didn't mean to upset anyone. I'm just not very good at makeup. Oh, they were so mad that I didn't know how to do the eyebrows. Sorry. How much do you look at how people are mad online? I looked at the Trixie one because I thought people were going to be charmed by me. I went there seeking compliments, and this is how it always starts. I looked at a couple of the comments because I went there seeking compliments. Of course, you went to the hardware store for milk.

58:38I genuinely, most of the time, do not read comments because I don't care what these people have to say. But I found some people were upset with me. Also, sometimes people tag me. You know when Instagram will show you stories you're tagged in? Oh, I see. Are you seeing it? I see everything. I see everything. I'd be seeing that shit. I'd be seeing that shit big time. And they'd be tagging you and being like, ah, Caleb. Oh, people say the craziest things to me. Even my fans. My fans talk crazy to me. Are you getting this? Well, I just get people who want me dead in a ditch six feet under. Is that true?

59:19Well, the this, the story tagging, whatever. You've got to stop watching that. Literally, recently many people have been saying that my special is, they're like, this is like so bad, it's like a Tim Robinson character. Shout out Tim. Shout out Tim. In the chair company, one of the characters is listening to a really bad radio show where the DJ is like, fuck you, fucking bitch. And the joke is that it's bad. And so everyone's like, what is this? at Sarah at Sarah what is this the fucking fucked up radio show from chair company that's the big one people are saying now whoa six mentally ill guys tagging me everyone's saying that everyone's talking about this him and three other losers that won an HBO special and don't have one him and like three other losers was the same guy making three different accounts but that's the big one that it's been coming to me on the this it's like what is this a fucking Tim Robinson character making fun of fucking how fucking bad this is Tim Robinson Tim Robinson character is famously doing really well.

1:00:22People are loving it. So this isn't even really a drag. It's like, what is this? A successful sketch from a guy who's doing pretty well? Yeah. It's like, yeah, okay, I guess. Also, it's like, Tim Robinson doesn't make fun of stand-ups. No. Tim Robinson makes fun of the idea of being a man who's alive. I know. Pretty much. When are you writing the long read about that? Hello. Unpacking Tim Robinson's portrayal of problematic masculinity. Well, and how it's reaching the audience it's supposed to reach, but not in the way. Right. Not in the way. They all don't understand that they're being made fun of.

1:00:51Right. Not in the way. Sarah, I'm so worried about your time. You have a very busy schedule today. We have two more things we have to do. What is so true to you? Didn't prepare. There's something about this show. There's something about this show. No one prepares one. No one prepares one. No, no, no, no, no. That dreams are really important. That is so true. Whoa. Is that a way to say that? That's huge. We love that one. What do you mean by it? Well, it's just like, you know, some people wake up and they said, I had a dream where someone scratched me all over the back. Next. I'm waking up going I need to get to Kenya

1:01:24Is that you crawling into the dream or what is are you preparing to give a colonoscopy to the dream you're fishing she's cracking open the dream kind of excavating like a dinosaur she's excavating the dream I was kind of right you did good act out do a little more yeah cracking it open and then give it get it open for me not is that supposed to be a shovel very small and now you're using a brush to to dust off that yeah let's go let's go i can't speak for the rest of the podcast that'd be actually kind of fun do a podcast where you can't speak can i say the other thing that's so true to me you can and you have to say it right now okay i want to kind of okay we've all been saying like boots and like house down boots let's start saying shoes shoes Oh my God, shoes.

1:02:18Did that video mean a lot to you? Can she come on the podcast? Maybe if we go to lunch. We go to lunch, then she can come on. Sarah, I have a segment for you. You ready? Yeah. Okay, I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said is true or false. And if you get 10 or more correct, Sarah, we're going to give you 50 US dollars. Actually? Yes. You ready? Yeah. Excavate. Get your brush out. Brush it off. Brush it off for me. Thank you. All right. You ready? Quickly as you can. The rarest blood type is O positive. True. Oh, fuck. False. It's the most common.

1:02:49Arthur the Aardvark's best friend is a rabbit named Benny. True. False. Buster. Bismarck is the capital of North Dakota. False. True. GoFundMe is older than Kickstarter. True. False. Great Neck South High School's newspaper is called The Southerner. Yes, true. I wrote an article for it. Law & Order SVU is older than Rachel Zegler. True. True. There are zero Chuck E. Cheese's left in New York City. True. False. There are six. Bull sharks can survive in freshwater. True. True. There's no NFL team in Louisiana. True. False. The New Orleans Saints. Northwestern University's mascot is Wilbur the Wildcat.

1:03:26No, that's not true. False. It's Willie the Wildcat. Willie Wonka was a real person. False. False. The real Annabelle doll is a Raggedy Ann doll. False. True. The first laptop went on sale in 1981. True. True. There are three stops on the CTA yellow line. False. True. Joan Rivers was born in Germany. No. False. She was born in Brooklyn. Yeah. How'd she do? Seven. Oh, that's okay. You had like a fucking stank-ass attitude when I got something wrong. You had a stank-ass attitude. You're like, um, false. You got like five wrong in a row and threw me off my game. Talk about my stank-ass attitude. That just scared the fucking shit out of me.

1:04:07Bismarck is the company. Oh, oh, oh.

1:04:12The stank-ass attitude in me sees the stank-ass attitude in you, girl.

1:04:21Wait Wait We should do a musical collab No Okay We can do one of those scary bands that you like Say that Like the guys that soak each other in blood Every time I get on Instagram I see something from you that I never thought I would see in my life It's like you It's like you laying on a stage covered in fake blood With like knives in your stomach And then it's like guys dressed as gargoyles like playing guitar I'm like, oh, Sarah got out of the house. Bless her heart next. No, I watch. Watch and like. I like and subscribe, baby. I'm a fan. Okay, ready? With the speed with which I just had to do that.

1:04:55Okay. You're auditioning for American Idol. What are you singing? Go, go, go, go, go, go. Bridge over trouble with water. How dare you? Bridge over trouble with water. I don't even think that's true. I just heard it recently. You go. Yours now. Go, go, go, go, go, go. Borderline Madonna. Wow. Well, Sarah, it was so much fun to have you on. We love you, girl. Wait, plug your HBO special. Plug your special now. Sarah, I have to really plug it. Guys, go watch Sarah's HBO special. It's out. She's brilliant. Take a picture of the TV while you're watching it. Tag at Sarah Square. You suck, bitch. Yeah, that'd actually be awesome.

1:05:29That could be our first song in the scary band. You suck, bitch. That'd be really fun. That'd be really fun. Sarah, we love you. Thanks for being on. Buzz all over the mic. You got to get out of here. I'm literally worried about your schedule. I'm worried that we're making you late. I'm not. Stop playing with the mic. Stop playing with the mic. Don't do that. Sarah do not jerk off the microphone no Sarah stop it do not make it come I did there she does it okay goodbye

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Welcome back! This week’s guest is the hilarious Sarah Squirm AKA Sarah Sherman! Sarah and Caleb talk their Chicago comedy days, a harrowing trip to the doctors office, the afterlife, SNL and so much more! 

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