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37:05That is so funny. I want to know about Horse High School. Horse High School.

37:12I'm like, well, if I had anything to say, it would just be, yeah, that. But so, okay, Horse High School. No, well, it's not your fault. when I monologue for 15 minutes, it's not necessarily that you're going to have something to add to it. That's a place where I could talk less than let you talk. No, no. I think we should, you should say more of those things. I think you should say them to groups of people. I don't know. Caleb, you should get in front of groups of people sometimes. I truly, I truly think you should be in politics like 100%. Do you want that for me? Well, fuck. Now I'm, yes, but I want that for us and I think you could handle it so maybe I do I don't know I do I don't think I would be a particularly good politician no that's not true I would be a very good politician I don't think I'm the type of person we need in politics I think I'm I think I'm self-involved I think I love attention I think I would much rather see someone more selfless than me be in elected office but I don't know that I know a lot of those people that are as good at speaking as what you just said well this is our big issue people who do actually important work don't want to do that because it's a psychotic the level of love you have to have for attention to do this it for most of us i don't know if you identify with that but i think most people who do this love attention at a level that makes them bad public servants yeah i don't think i i don't think that that that's i think part of the problem that we have is that we elect public servants based on their ability to speak for sure yeah that's true this is not but you were also you had good ideas too but and so and that too yes thank you i steal those from smarter people who do more important jobs but that's those people should be those people should be you know like but anyway do you think you love attention um it's a really interesting thing because i do on some level like i like i really like that i like when people come to shows i like getting attention for the right reasons when i work really hard on a joke and it works i do love that and i wouldn't want someone else to deliver it when I'm writing a script and I imagine someone else getting to say a great line that I wrote I get jealous um like I do like to perform and get attention I don't necessarily like attention in in the full scope and breadth that I have it now in my life I don't necessarily want to um have the feeling that I do have now that every time I walk into public I'm um it's like interacting with somebody who knows who I am yeah um that freaks me out a little bit But it's part of the job.

39:47So I feel at peace with that level of attention. And I try to seek more of the kind that I like. Do you know what I mean? Yes. Do you like attention? I think I'm similar. I definitely like attention for anything I consider my art and my craft. But I hate attention everywhere else. Even in like, I mean, actually, this is the first podcast I've ever done. Did I tell you that? No. This is the first podcast you've ever done? I've ever done, yes. You didn't get forced into one during overcompensating press? I said no to things. That's really good. Oh, no, I did a small, I went on and told a short story on Benny and they had the whole cast do ride.

40:28Yeah. But beyond that, no. Because theoretically this is the, I don't like necessarily attention for my personhood. Like if I'm in a group conversation, I do not want to be center of the group conversation. I want to observe the group conversation. Sometimes that's why I like podcasts, like Listen and Ride, is I'm like, okay, great. I get to be with my friends, but not have to speak. This is awesome. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But attention, yeah, outside of the things that I curate is, I think, quite terrifying. Then why do you do this? Why do I do? Like comedy. Why did you get into all this? Well, I think that is, I consider my art or my craft.

41:10Right. Yes. So that totally lines up with what you're saying, that that's the thing you, yeah, got you, got you, got you, got you. Which is kind of, I don't know, like, I guess maniacal to only want to be understood in the exact way that you want to be understood, because that's what it is in a way. But that's just the situation. Yeah. Why no podcasts until this one, and why this one? Well, this one, because I listen to you and you're a joy.

41:40Clip it! Clip it! But, I mean, theoretically, a podcast is my worst nightmare. It's like a conversation, one-on-one, that lives in perpetuity. I mean, that's horrifying. I feel like I'm constantly having to battle saying something that is the right thing. like I'm constantly having my first instinct is to say the thing that makes the conversation go smoother which is not always the true thing or the right thing but it's like the socially anxious answer and so then I have to battle that and then and then also my views are ever evolving so it's like oh a snapshot of where I was on this specific day I don't know it's like it's a bold thing to do you know it's gonna exit the context like this this like i have i've learned for sure doing this that it will eventually exit the context which means that in 10 years i certainly will uh regret many things i've said on this show and that's okay like i think that's part of our that's part of our work that we're gonna have to do as like a culture is like letting each other grow and evolve but this podcast it's so funny because things that were perfectly acceptable in the context of the moment and went fine and did great and everyone enjoyed it and understood it seven months later or get picked up by some outside audience or some group that isn't involved in the joke or whatever some niche of some particular corner of the world and people get really upset about it and I think really the yeah the trick is to just be like that's fine I don't care you're allowed to be upset I'm allowed to say what I said you're allowed to be upset and ultimately we all wake up tomorrow and life goes on yeah it's like whatever yeah i mean it is it for sure is scary and annoying but that's really interesting i'm surprised that you um during the press life cycle at least for overcompensating got out of doing all those it feels like they really i say no to almost everything and i even i get like hounded about that shit it's really they really want you to do it when i think i give these people a run for their money sometimes when i say no i'm like no no yeah this is not happening or or i'll do things that they're like why are you doing this or i don't know i feel like i don't have a ton of strategy when it comes to this which sounds like such like i'm such a normal girl thing to say but you know what i mean i just because when i'm uncomfortable bad things happen it's it's not ideal for anyone yeah i'm like they keep trying to make me do um in-person meetings and i'm like if i go in person i will get nervous and i'm not gonna do good work i'll say crazy things i will ruin all of our careers do not send me in there yeah yeah i did a meeting recently and they sent like my agent a note and they were like yeah we love the story about how like while i got sober and i was like and they're like what did you tell we don't even know this story and it's just like i have no there's no ability to think you know it's just whatever how do i navigate this conversation while still talking it's like the path of least resistance path of least resistance is exactly my social strategy.

44:51That makes sense. It's not easy. It's like a really, I think we don't give enough credit to how hard it is to socialize. There are so many things. I've really reflected on this a lot in the last couple of years because there's a, I keep going back and forth about how I want to, there's a kid in my life that I love who is a member of my family and I'm always like, do I say the relationship because someday he'll watch, you know, but he is on the autism spectrum and I've known many people with autism in my life, but specifically like helping a kid that you love through it and trying to give them the right answers.

45:22So much of adult like life and society is like teeny tiny little indescribable things that you're just supposed to know. And I, it's, I feel so frustrated because I know them and he doesn't, and I don't know how to, I want to give him like, I want to help him with the gift of understanding. Like I'm like, yeah, when someone turns their face in that way, I know what their words, they're saying that they whatever but it's this tiny little and you can't you almost can't teach it and so i don't think we give enough credit to how fucking like crazy difficult and nuanced it is to just move through the world politely truly i most of my beginning stand-up was my like i would catalog those tiny things of like how someone looked at you or like one i used to really struggle with is people sometimes when they're trying to uh bond with you or express intimacy they'll laugh and look at you you know when you're like ha ha ha you know what i mean what do you mean they'll laugh and look at you like when like you're laughing at something let's say you're watching stand-up you're laughing and you look at your buddy and you're like yeah and i really struggled with that one because people would laugh and look at me and i'd be like or like because it's just so it's so aggressive i don't know well i can't do it it feels like yeah It's like you're laughing at something that you're both experiencing, but they turn to you.

46:45But that's another one of those small things where it's like, why are we doing that? It's like because I want to see if you're laughing and show you that I'm laughing. And there's an intimacy of sharing the moment via eye contact. There's like 15 things you're communicating when you do that and no one thinks a thing about it. And then you have an autistic child in your life and you're like, oh, yeah, sorry, buddy. It's going to be rough. You're going to have a hard time understanding this. Laugh and make eye contact. yeah and or another one that i still think about is how sometimes when i'm out it seems like in order to jump start having fun you need to announce that you're having fun before you're actually having fun do you know this give me an example like you'll be dancing and everyone has to look like they're having a good time before they're having a good time like before they're getting drunk enough you know i used to feel this when i used to drink is that before everyone was drunk we'd be dancing and you everyone would know it hadn't hit yet but you just have to kind of dance around and be like yeah and like look into space a little bit do you know what i mean do you have that experience or maybe i'm just not having a good time and i feel the need to announce it i i don't know i i feel like what you're saying is that you're not drunk enough to be having fun yet but you feel the need to perform it yes i feel like you need to perform enjoyment to signal to other people we're all enjoying it and then i feel like i'm just really announcing how autistic i am in no i'm really listening i'm okay um where it's like you need to look like you're having fun in order to for everyone else to feel comfortable looking like they're having fun right like like yeah i understand what you mean i think the my block with it is my stuff about alcohol like but But specifically the idea that you need to look like you're having fun when you're dancing.

48:32I sometimes will get in my head, and I'm sure this is what alcohol helps people with. I don't drink it a lot. I'm planning to drink a lot of it this weekend because it's my birthday. Are you coming? Wait, no, what? Are you coming to my birthday party this weekend? What's your birthday party this weekend? You don't know this? This is my biggest fear, dude. I keep thinking I'm being so good about this. Are you free Saturday night? Yes. You're in New York? No, I'm not. I have my family's white elephant party. Wait, when? Where? In New York? In New Jersey. You can come late. The party goes until late.

48:59Okay. I'm going to send you the information. Okay, send me the information. But yes, I feel sometimes like when I'm not in a good headspace, I feel that I'll start to think a lot about how my body is moving and whether people are thinking that I'm having fun. And I can get, I will say I luckily can get out of that really quickly, but it can ruin a vibe for sure. That's, yeah, exactly how I'm, what I'm thinking about. Are you sober? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Good. I never had like a issue with an extreme issue with alcohol, but I just find my life is so much better. Yeah. Without it. You didn't have an issue with alcohol.

49:35I had, I not, I had an issue with hangovers. My hangovers, I was a vicious woman.

49:45I would like get up in the morning and be like, you're hard to love to my partner. Like I was just like not a nice lady. That is so fucking funny. It was bad. But I wouldn't drink a lot, but it would take so little alcohol for me to be grumpy the next day. Yeah. And so then that continued. And then the first time I ever blacked out, I was like, this has to be the last time I ever drank. It was so bad. I have this friend. She has this incredible practice that she does where every five years, on her wedding, she was sad because she was like, this is the last time we'll have all these people together and he was like well what if yeah i guess so unless it's a funeral which he said um and so her husband they're just this awesome couple he was like every five years let's have a get together uh and so they have like a mini wedding without the reception about the ceremony and everyone gets together and they were married on new year's so every new year's they get together and party and it was at this event and i got so blacked out that i i don't really know oh yeah no i do know that i i blacked out then i blacked back in and i was at i briefly blacked out and then i blacked back in and i was at the they had a guy like shredding hams like at this big prosciutto leg and and he was putting down prosciuttos and I would pick the prosciutto up as he put it down so no one else can get it and then I blacked out again and then I blacked back in and I was telling him about the Beatles and still at the ham station blacked out blacked in and I was just going around blacking in is so funny I blacked out blacked in blacked out blacked in I'm at the ham it's crazy when you do that you just have these glimpses and i was going around and i was singing at people like blackbird singing in the dead of night take these broken rings and learn to fly and then you're out again yeah and then i blacked back in and unfortunately and i was at we were so this is also bananas she's had this this party at this castle in portugal yeah and we're at this castle it was ancient castle in Portugal and I was in front of like a 1200 AD um Virgil book yeah where you're supposed to hold it with white gloves and I was just getting my fingerprints all over the Virgil you destroyed an ancient ark okay and then I woke up the next morning so then the next morning was tough I guess in my sleep or in my drunken stupor I had I had taken all the sheets off the bed.

52:38I had taken the mattress protector off the bed. I had peed on the bed. I had vomited on the bed. I also was wearing self-tanner, but I didn't know I was supposed to wash it off. So I was pumpkin orange. And I had rolled around in the piss and gotten the pumpkin orange and the piss all over the mattress. And then I had gone downstairs. I don't know what I was wearing downstairs i had thrown up in the fountain yeah on the ancient art yeah on near the virgil enough for the splatter to get on the virgil yeah um and so i was like i don't think i should drink again

53:20it's really bad so just so we're clear when i asked if you had an issue with alcohol and you answered no confidently this is going to go ahead and be one of the most clear cases of having an issue with alcohol that is a really wild tale and ultimately by the way everyone's fine everyone's fine but wow that's crazy but i have no other tales like that i have it was the only time i was like i'm gonna get really drunk tonight i'm gonna keep up with my friends and it's gonna be awesome because i'm never that girl and it's like oh this is why yeah i should never be that girl You have no other tails like that.

53:58I have.

54:03I'm like, do I have another tail like that? I don't think I've never blacked out before. Yeah. I have a problem with food because when you were describing grabbing the ham fresh off the thing, I was so jealous. I was like thrilled. I was like, God, that sounds amazing. He's slicing the ham straight into my hand and I'm just going to mouth with it. I like that. Do you black out with food? No, I'm blacked in when I'm eating. I never feel more awake. No, no, no. I had a bad binge eating problem when I was in my early 20s. I was binge eating like crazy. I mean, I was so like, but I was depressed. I was the most depressed man alive.

54:43I could have won awards if we had a competition. I just was so depressed, but it was complicated because I was also having fun. Like, I don't know. I still would have a good time. I just, I didn't realize how depressed I was. I don't think the whole time it was happening. Binge eating like crazy. putting away some crazy stuff was it like a crazy high lows situation what do you mean i don't know i feel like what was i like having manic no not like sorry manic highs lows but just like sometimes i feel like the times in which i can point to having the most amount of oh maybe i'm maybe actually i have the mental disorder um not that i was saying you had the mental disorder but that's fine i if i point to the times in which i had was the most depressed i also had these splurts of the most highs not like manic highs but like yeah just i don't know i feel like uh if i point to my 20s it looks a little bit oh this is a podcast i guess high oscillations yeah up and down up and down then now it's like i have less oscillations but also maybe i'm medicated now there was a lot to impact medication yeah you're saying that the highs are gone but so are the dips but the lows yeah yeah that's what i fear i for me caleb i know i think i i'm unmedicated i'm unmedicated oh wow Good for you, man.

55:55There's a little badge on my arm. I'm one of the last ones. I am unmedicated. I'm well, but yeah, I think the depression in college was crazy. The binge eating. I was depressed in a way where I would eat something psycho. I would have a fucking two liter of Mountain Dew, a whole pizza, and three candy bars. Then I'd get in my bed sick. Then I was so... You know, because you should get in bed after that. They always say, take down 8 ,000 calories and then go ahead and get on your back as quick as you can.

56:33And then I was so sad and lonely, I would beg a friend to come sit in bed with me so I didn't have to be alone. And a couple people would. I mean, people had shit going on, but people would, which was really sweet. Boy, rough, rough area of life. I wonder, college was, I think, if I look back, my most depressed time as well. But you were running a fucking business. You were selling the hell out of those snakes. I was. Yeah, I was. And then when I dropped out, it was awesome. So really, and I dropped out for stand-up and I got to do that. So I guess, but my one year, that one, that's me trying to relate, that one year was tough.

57:11I did not like college. I tried to drop out and my mom begged me not to, so I didn't. but I tried because I came to New York. I worked at Columbia. I did a summer internship at Columbia for two summers. And after the second summer, during the second summer, I called my mom and I was like, I'm not coming back to school. I'm going to find an apartment. There's a job at the college that I think I can get. I'm going to move to New York and like, I'm going to try to do like comedy and theater and stuff. And she was like, please God do not do that. Finish your fucking degree. And I was like, no, I really can't.

57:40I got to stay in New York. I don't want to come back because I was hating being in Southern Missouri at that time. And I was like, I just can't do it anymore. I gotta get the fuck out of there and yeah she begged and she never begged me to do anything my mom always let me do whatever I wanted and this is the first time she ever begged me to do anything and so I went back and finished school I'm so glad I did she was so right but yeah I almost dropped out I really want to go back to college? I applied after season one but now we gotta go do season two but I want to study I would love to study English or history I would love more context I feel like now I have the tools to write and you got some crazy stuff going on next door they're throwing things I would I'd love more just like I feel like I can write now and now I would love just to be able to be more informed as I write and say things yeah English or history would be so fun some of my favorite classes in college were history classes I feel like now now I feel like oh if I went back I'd ace that but maybe that's hubris maybe I don't know I think it would be so hard we were not kind to non-traditional students when I was there like a 34 year old with a rolly backpack we were like you're Al Qaeda we were so mean for no reason not to their face but we were just like oh god John's got a remark we hated it weren't you guys like that we just were so judgmental and weird I'm in improv 101 right now, which is a wild experience.

59:18But I noticed that people aren't as nice to the older students as well. And so I'm like, damn, dude, this is... They're just trying to have a good time. What, had you ever trained in improv before this? No. No? Oh, cool. No. And I got to keep up with Holmes. Yeah, trying to keep up with Holmes in improv is, it's a unique skill that is it's a horrific endeavor. It feels like Holmes is connected. You know when people talk about they talk about this with basketball players too or something but or football I don't know whatever where it's like someone has some sort of connection to another side or like to a light or like I don't know.

59:58It's a darkness yeah. Holmes is connected to a darkness yeah. They're connected to something that I'm like how did you'll be in a scene with them you're like how did you do what? And I'm supposed to not break? Yeah. I mean, it's just unbelievable. They're just, in my opinion, like the funniest performer alive, right? Like I just genuinely do think they're the funniest person that is currently alive and working. And I think what happened is when God made most people, they poured, they poured a little bit. They poured like some creativity. They poured like some executive function. You know, they put all kinds of things in there.

1:00:36and with Holmes they poured all improv and zero executive function and so it's like responding to an email for Holmes is like going to war but thinking of the funniest thing you've ever heard off the top of their head is like it's like batting their eyes you know it's bananas they're a singular genius it really is true and not that I'm trying to be a singular genius but I would also love to be able to we would be in scenes and they would start and I would know that I just couldn't keep up and I would panic and I would just look down lens and end the scene. Just spiking the camera. Yeah. I'd be like, okay.

1:01:17Or I'd be like, okay, let's end now. I would cut us. You're cutting from within the scene. I'm addicted to that. I was just so afraid. I was, I don't know how to give you the layup for the, you know, the thing you need to spike the ball so i would just be like we have to end we have to get me out of this scene yeah yeah yeah that is really hard and it makes total sense and i think you're brilliant you're great in the show you know this uh but yeah that that is really difficult i mean i have i love improv and i love doing it on set and i uh i have been i've been in the dynamic you're talking about where the other person is like um frustrated or just not accustomed to it and it's it's it that is really tough yeah so but you're great in the show oh you're phenomenal really truly i know you know that but are you excited to go back thanks my little my little scene in the show i keep telling benny to bring me back i'm like bring me back i'll do something fun in season two i think he well i guess i haven't seen updated scripts but i think that's a plan uh that's what they were saying yeah it'll be fun i love to pop in and play it's like a real joy i think it's one of the things i want most in my life is to i don't uh i don't desire to be in benny's role and i don't desire to be in like Rachel Sinnott's role in those shows.

1:02:30Like the like crazy mega, like mastermind of the thing. Uh, I'm all good on that. It looks horrendous. Like I, they're both doing it with such grace and like flair. I watched them do it. And I'm like, I think I'd rather be stabbed to death with tweezers. Like I just, it looks horrible, but coming in for like three days, killing your thing and then leaving. What a beautiful experience. I've never done that. I want to do that. I want to try doing that. You'd be so fun as a little energy pop on a thing and just getting out of there. Maybe once I do more improv. Once this improv class happens and once you get season two done, that's where it's all waiting.

1:03:10Yeah. You have to tell me so quickly about, we're almost out of time, but tell me about Horse High School briefly, please. Horse High School was this high school where you go and every freshman gets a horse and has to take care of the horse. And if they don't take care of the horse, the horse dies. and that's sad for all um and you learn how to like be a cowgirl yeah i wanted to be a cowgirl when i went to how did you find that like what how did your parents find this school it was i found it things i was trying to get out of the house type vibe and i was looking for programs that where i could get out of the house and also i did want to be a cow i was like obsessed with all westerns i don't know and this idea that like like this lawless land where you create your own credos i don't know i what was into me um and i just found it on the internet yeah hell yeah and it was awesome i don't i actually i applied to a ranch program last week i was like maybe i'll work at a ranch program i don't know my i told my manager and she's like absolutely not will you be doing that hey so your career that's going well we'd like you to do it yeah um but being there were some issues with me and the horse where it was that sounded like we had some political issues no um we the horses are just wide and i have these little legs yeah and so if the horse is too wide my legs they they don't wrap around the horse they just kind of just kind shoot off into the ether they wear me yeah like a little hat yeah like they're supposed to go yes seen it a million times and and um and not that i couldn't but i was getting knee problems yeah um and pretty immediately and it's like hard work and yeah that too but so did you graduate from horse high school i did graduate from horse high school i can do all sorts of stuff yeah i can lasso I can shoot a gun off a horse yeah you are a fascinating individual I'm like very jealous of horse high school like to have that also that level of like agency at that age like I wasn't questioning almost anything I was just going where I was told that is so cool I had those kind of parents where you had to question yeah you better question couldn't follow the program needed to ask some cues yeah yeah well what's so true to you what's so true oh wait okay um i think what is so true to me is that i think

1:05:48what should be so true to me i have little ones i have big one big one okay this is what was getting at me this morning i think we focus way too much on the creator and not what is created i feel like there's we spend like too much time i think about how much we focus on like the casting thing of a project where there's a lot of i had this thought when i was uh hearing about stunt casting in like another stunt casting in which is what do you know yeah um in on a broadway show um where what's your face uh whitney leave it from um sex size of college wives is on broadway now and not that all power whatever i don't know man i don't know how i feel about it i i just feel like if we cared more about the art we would cast people and things that have a lot of training in the craft yeah yeah you're not throwing shade to this individual you're saying in general if we would change the cultural uh like focus on really focus on capitalism is the issue that they're like this person will sell the most tickets and it's like but are they right for the role yes that's yeah are they right for the role is a question that almost never gets asked and i'm feeling it more and more as awesome as it is and i mean i guess i am a benefit of like someone that was started in one field and then got to hop over to another i do feel like we are not asking that question enough and it's just sort of like who is the most followers that can bring eyes to this movie or who can you know and it is i'm like i feel like we're losing sight of craft and a lot of people that do jump from thing to thing with like a follower base do have experience in craft and you know um but i don't know that's been this is one of my biggest frustrations of getting my movie made last year was that the years that we were trying to get it made every actress that would come up there would be this incredible actress who doesn't have a huge internet following but has worked for decades and she's amazing and she we all know she's talented yeah everybody loves her and everything uh but she's just not mega mega internationally famous and you would mention this this actor and they'd be like she doesn't have value yeah literally the phrase doesn't have value i had to ban the word value from meetings i was like i don't want to hear it anymore it is so disgusting and dehumanizing and stupid and it's like i am talking about who's good for the role and you're talking to me about who's going to sell this imagined version of my indie film where it's huge in taipei and and we need cate blanchett to be the waitress it's like stop like just stop not everything needs to be an end over end growth machine for like global domination yes let's make a simple indie movie where everyone's good at the role yeah it makes me feel insane i really really agree i wish that we could i wish there was a way where we could just have more focus on like talent and craft and not have to worry so much about like like packaging like the anxiety of packaging yeah there's too much like there's just like a lot of idolatry in culture and i feel like that's why we end up in this space where it's like oh let's put the hottest person in, I don't know.

1:08:53It frustrates me, Caleb. That's my so true. It frustrates me. I have a game for you. Okay. Okay, this is, you know the game. You've listened to the show. I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. Okay. And if you get 10 or more correct, Wally, we're going to give you 50 US dollars. Are you ready? Okay. Okay, Tom Sawyer was a real person. False. False. There are 30 NFL teams. True. False. There's 32. Friendster is older than MySpace. False. It's true. New Jersey's state motto is Liberty and Prosperity. False. True. The Mona Lisa was painted in the 1700s.

1:09:36True. False. 1600s. The Spanish National Anthem has no words. False. True. Oh. The quick O after each one. Oh. All snakes lay eggs to give birth. False. False. Some have live birds. The iPad is older than the iPhone. False. False. The side of a hammer is called the shoulder. The side? True. False. The cheek. Dolphins can't smell. False. True. Barnard College's mascot is Tilly the bear. False. False. It's Millie the bear. Sorry. I'm not doing it on purpose. No, I love it. The first McDonald's was located in California. True. True. The Arctic Ocean is the smallest ocean in the world. True. True.

1:10:24There are three bones in a human ear. No. True. Old Navy was originally called Mission Bay Clothing. Yeah, true. False. It's always been Old Navy. How'd she do, Chance? A strong six. Yeah. Out of how many? Fifteen. Oh, that's good. That's really, really good. Honestly, we've had a couple sixes recently. So there's something in the air. Wally do you want to tell people where they can find you Oh you can find me on Instagram And in Bushwick Exactly correct Oh my god I have something to say to you off camera Okay thank you so much for doing it this was great Fall never arrives all at once First the air Then the light And slowly the things you love begin to find each other A jacket meets a dress A hoodie slips beneath a blazer An old cap finds a new scarf because you don't simply step into the season.

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