Ziwe is a Delight

23:37Okay. Interesting. But I have weird religious thing, religious trauma. So that's why I can't identify with Charlotte. Where are you at with religion these days? Can I ask? Chilling. I'm fine. Yeah. You're chilling. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, God. I feel like whenever you talk about the fact that if we see you performing at a mega church, it's because you need the money. Yeah. That's how I feel about fascism, where it's like, oh, okay, if they're really rounding us up, you'll just hear me start singing Amazing Grace. They're banging on the door and you're like, uh. Yeah, literally. Literally. I'll be like, okay, you're really going to see me get real, real handmade style.

24:10Yeah. So that's where I stand on it. Yeah. I think it's like Walt Whitman where like heaven and hell are like what we become after death. So it's like, oh, like we see grass, we see that the birds eat the grass and we see that bigger birds eat the birds and you know, it's the circle of life. Like I feel like that is our version of afterlife. So God, yes or no? God, yes or no. That's a complicated quote because God is in the trees. Yeah. What do you see when you see the ocean? That's God. So do you see God as a figure that exists and doles out judgment when we leave? No. No. So you don't think there'll be a hell for bad people that God sends?

24:46I think this is hell. You think earth is hell? You and my mom are very aligned on this. You and my mom are very aligned on this. Well, then why am I having so much damn fun? You are?

24:59If earth is hell, honey, why am I having a great time? oh god that speaks poorly of me doesn't it no i think you're well you're all having sex in the delta lounge i get it like you're setting yourself up for fun i'm almost having sex in the delta lounge which is even better than doing it by the way yeah it's like the the promise yeah it's the it's the thought it's the you get to walk away being like i would have done that you know you get to walk away being like i'm somebody who would have done that and then you don't actually have to clean up or anything sex is messy don't you find no nice i don't think i'm having enough of fun during sex.

25:32Really? It's very neat and clean. Really? You're keeping it very tidy? I just think if you fuck in the Delta Lounge, it's like some things are going to drip. Oh my God. They are. They are. You're at work and I'm traveling. Nothing's going to drip. I just told you that I'm a Charlotte. Yeah.

25:52Wait, you really don't think you're having fun during sex? Because I am very interested in that. No, probably not. No, I'm having fun during sex. I don't have a lot of sex. Yeah. I related to that though because I am having fun doing sex, but there have been eras of my life where sex felt like a thing I just had to do. Like I'm so horny that I need to have sex, but doing it was just like, God, it's like taking out the trash. You know what I mean? No, say more. I'm not in that right now. I guess I was depressed.

26:20I'm not in that right now, but I feel like there was a chunk of time in my mid twenties where I would, I would sleep with people and just be like, God, I do really want to come. I am that horny, but I just, this person's coming over here. I have to like clean my house. And then like, and then I want to be a good, I want to be a good sexual partner. So I have to like invest in their coming as well, you know? And then of course I do because I'm a good guy and a really good lover, by the way. But yeah, it was, there was a, there was like a period of like a year and a half there. I was like, this is such a chore.

26:50I think that any relationship, anything during your twenties is hell. Like you're sort of working through what you like, what you dislike what you're you know who you are so that's not too shocking to me now that it seems like you've aged out of that and you're just enjoying all the smooches that you get along the way I do I really do it reminds me of that Bernie Mac that set that he did where he's like I love sex I love it by the pound what does that mean? it's just Bernie being Bernie you just love sex what are you gonna do? loves it by the pound I love it I'm not saying that I don't love it I'm just saying that I don't know Well, you're not having a lot of it.

27:28You did say that. Yeah, but you're too chic for that. No, I, what does chic mean? Like, you're like, I just feel like, when are you going to have sex? You're like in glam. You're at the fashion event. You're being too, and these guys won't come up to you. There's too much cowardice in the culture. I know. I have a lot of power. You do. If I was a straight man, I would not come up to you. That's so hurtful. No, you're gorgeous and intimidating. I'm dead serious. Thank you. No, I'm at, this is something that I am at peace with. I don't want to be a scary person, but I recognize that whatever I move through the world, I just carry with me, like, I don't know, a stick that says, you know, you know how they say, like, walk lightly, but carry a big stick.

28:06Like, I carry with me this stick, and for some reason people are intimidated, and that is my blessing and is my curse. I don't find you scary, to start there. Okay, thank you. I do not find you scary, and I think anyone who would say that to you has some, kind of, and has some work to do. I don't like that. Thank you. when I envision myself as a straight man, I think that so many straight men are genuinely intimidated by brilliant, hilarious women who have their life put together. And I actually do think that if I was a straight man, I would be too intimidated to come up. Really? Yeah. I'm a pleasure.

28:35I'm a delight. You are a delight. Again, it's nothing. It's not about you. It's about who I think I would be if I was straight. Got it. I only like people with self-confidence. Like I only like high self-esteem people. I think I'm a high self-esteem person. Yeah. I think you are too. Thank you. You're a high value woman. Yes. What does that mean, though? I don't know. I started reading that, and I was like, is this a dowry cattle thing? What's going on with this verbiage? The dowry, yeah. You know, high value. Yeah. I think oftentimes that's, if we're being earnest, I think that's coded language.

29:07Of course. Yeah. Stock. Stock, and also, I think when men say that, it's never... When you say you want a high-value man, it feels different than a high-value woman. I've never said a high-value man in my life. We wouldn't say that, but if a woman were to say that, I think she means like, he doesn't hit me. And if a man says that, he's like, she hasn't slept with a lot of people. You know what I mean? Oh, really? I think the difference in it is so gendered. I think high value man means wealthy. Really? But then high value woman means like Madonna. Like the Madonna archetype. Yeah. Or Charlotte.

29:40Charlotte. The virgin whore dichotomy. Yes. I've never considered dating a man for money. Yeah, because you're a man. Yeah. but I do date men but the highest earning couples like statistically are men gay men of course together obviously makes so much sense well and there's the there's the you know a lot of gay guys have that that thing that people who like they have that ambition that you only get from being bullied when you're like 13 a lot of gay guys have that so you get two of them together and just who knows what they might do they go off yeah they go off they get active they get active in a real way in the Delta Lounge okay um yeah yeah I do you want a rich man?

30:17Not inherently. I want a cerebral man. I don't care if he's ugly. I don't care if he's short. I don't care if he's rich or poor. I just want someone who I will learn with every day of my life. And hopefully laugh with every day of my life. But not like a comedian. I just want someone who's well-rounded and thoughtful. Yeah. Yeah. So hard. Yeah, genius. I want a genius. You want a genius. Yeah, it's like, okay, let me go to Apple. How do you find that? Yeah, I'm trying to think. I want to find this guy for you. Please. Where will you find him? I guess maybe, well, you know what? I actually, last night I went to First Saturdays at the Brooklyn Museum, which I always try to go to.

30:51Everyone there is so hot and cool. Oh, really? Oh, my. Have you been? No. Oh, my God. Everyone there is so hot and cool. It's insane. Everyone you pass, you're like, how are you this gorgeous? Oh, really? How are you this cool? Yes. And you're, I'm like not looking though. I know. I wasn't there looking. I'm all good on that. Yeah, you're happily betrothed. Yeah, I'm good on that. But I wasn't there looking. But if I was, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. Jeez. It's really cool. And there's people are dancing and they put on their best outfits and it's like, what is this? First Saturdays, the Brooklyn museum.

31:19Shout out to the Brooklyn museum. I am a member. Um, they should be getting a free membership after this. I should. Will you guys please? My membership is up in like January. Brooklyn museum, please renew for free because I'm doing this. Did you see the Dave Bowie exhibit? No, no. There's a really a good one on doors right now though, which I know sounds insane, but it's like a video of a montage of a bunch of doors. Oh, cool. Films. It's really cool. Um, but first Saturdays, the Brooklyn museum, they have a DJ in the room. rotunda and it's like a big dance floor during the day uh no night oh this is like got it starts at like 5 30 or 6 and it gets sexy oh it gets sexy and it's intergenerational too there's like last night i watched like this very old woman like a salsa dancing with a bunch of young men like just being silly it was really cute and then they have like vendors in there as well food and drink and like cute like local made jewelry and candles and stuff wow and then the exhibits are open oh wow and on the first floor they have live music like usually a band or a choir or something are you gonna go um in september i want to go with you let's go yeah i would love you that sounds fun yeah i should be in town we really should okay cool i like to go to museums for the cultural experience yeah yeah let's go also we'll find you we'll find you a partner no i don't i'm not looking for one okay well if it happens it happens yes exactly i can't help but it's like it's like a parent trap where you're like if they happen to get back together yeah it's a side effect of the evening maybe not the main point yeah yeah well and then we have to go get i always get dinner at place nearby oh which where do you go i can't tell the cameras because it's my secret for us okay got it but when the cameras aren't rolling i'll tell you where we're going to dinner okay perfect perfect i love it and you're gonna love it i'm moving to brooklyn are you yeah i am oh my god i know and stop the presses this is this is huge for the culture alert scoop alert oh my god what has inspired i used to live in brooklyn i used to live in bushwick yes and then i moved to manhattan and now i'm moving back to brooklyn are you buying no okay no i'm a renter in new york We had talked about it for a second, but maybe you'd buy it.

33:10And we were looking and I was like, these places all seem like I don't want you to buy them. That's what I'm saying. Not at the current interest rates. You know, let's not even give, that's what I'm saying. Let's not even get into that. Yeah, yeah. I can't wait to have you out there. And it'll be so fun. I'm excited to hang out with young people again. We're going to have a blast. The young people are in Brooklyn. I know. Well, whenever I come here, it's like a homecoming. I know. Yes. You're back. The queen has returned. Exactly. Versus in New York City that's like, move! You know. Truly. Yeah.

33:34How did you, okay, so you come to New York, you start doing comedy, the show goes well, all that stuff. It doesn't go well initially or for years at a time. Really? Yeah, of course. Oh, wow, I didn't realize that. It's a long and grueling process, the creative process. Yeah. Yeah. Failure and negative dollars. Failure and negative dollars. And then one day it all turns. Yeah. I feel like that happened with you with your podcast. You said you had had one before and it was sort of into the ether and gone. And then you started so true. Yeah. And then it took off like wildfire. Yeah. And became one of the stickiest pieces of media on the internet.

34:12I don't really know what happened was so true. I think you came into your own. You got into your bag. I think I took some time and I think doing my own thing. Like I did. I took my time. I like did a bunch of other people's shows. I think I began to understand the format and I really just like stopped doing everything else on the internet. Yeah, exactly. I think that was the thing. I was like, this is what I do. Yeah. And I think that really helped. What were you doing before in the internet? Nothing for a while. I mean, I had started, I really kind of blew up doing like the front facing character videos.

34:41Oh, really? On Twitter. Throwback. Like what was the character that was the most breakout? Oh, I did the, for sure the one, the one that really like, I went from having like 3 ,000 followers on Twitter to having like 120 ,000 overnight. And it was this character I did that was, well, not even a character. It was like a scenario. I was like, I was on a break from my day job and I was like standing on the street and I was frustrated with my own behavior and an interaction. Yeah. And I was like, POV, you're talking to a friend who's clearly in the wrong. Yeah. And I was like being like, no, you're totally right.

35:11You're totally right. And it was like me just being fake. Yeah. And yeah, I was actually the person on the other end of that call in real life where I was like only calling people that I knew would affirm me. Of course. Even though I knew I was wrong. Of course. And I was frustrated with myself because I was like, why are you looking for affirmation when you know you're wrong? But it went like really viral and people wrote like a bunch of articles about it and it got retweeted and quote tweeted by all these huge accounts. Chris Chrissy Teigen quote tweeted it into the fucking stratosphere. And then, yeah, after that, it was like a lot of that for a couple of years.

35:42And then kind of every time I would do a character that people liked, they would want me to be just that guy. Yeah. They'd be like, oh, let's do the Southern Pastor character or only do the whatever. And I'd be like, I hate this. I don't want to just be that guy. So I stopped. and then I didn't do really anything on the internet for a couple of years. This actually ties into something I was going to ask you a second ago, which is you started doing comedy, you moved to Brooklyn, the show happens. No, I lived in Brooklyn before I started doing comedy. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, I moved to Brooklyn like 2015.

36:11Yeah, and you didn't start for a while? Yeah. Wow. Because I was afraid. Yeah. I was petrified. First I was afraid. It took me a second, but I got there. But I wanted to ask how you started getting so into fashion because I feel like you're such a fashion girl. Oh, always, always. I've always loved fashion. I never had like the money for it. But I've, even as a kid, I remember watching like Lizzie McGuire and being like, she's killing him. You know? So she's throwing. No, she had like the fuzzy little like bees in her head or like the little like tie dye crop tops. She was giving the chunky sandals.

36:43Yeah. And this, I, you know, we grew up in the era of like the fresh Prince of ballet or with like Hillary Banks. Yeah. And then like, she was, she was fierce. I feel like I'm doing Hillary Banks drag right now. Down. Yeah. And so I just remember these girls looking so fresh and wanting that and not being able to afford that, but trying my best with like, you know, going to the thrift store and getting the cool little button up, whatever. And then as I've gotten older, I've been lucky enough to get to work in the fashion space. And that's been really fun. That's so cool. Yeah, I just love clothes.

37:13What's the most like surreal fashion thing? I would like to know it's fashion and otherwise, but what's the most like surreal fashion moment you've had? Yeah, I did Victoria's Secret campaign. Which I think is so funny. Yeah. Yeah. That there's a photo of me in my underwear. Like that's just so funny to me. And I'll just bring that up in conversations where it's like, sure, you know, whatever. Three things are true. Yeah. Yeah. Did you do, was it like for the magazine or what was the Victoria's Secret thing? It was for a billboard. Did they have a magazine? Am I crazy? They did like a catalog back in the day with Tyra Banks.

37:47And I'm like, I'm truly thinking of like 2005. Yeah. Those were the days. It was for a billboard? Yeah, it was. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't come up ever. That's crazy. But it happened. It's just funny. That's really cool. Yeah. So, okay. So one of those. And then, yeah, in general, like outside of fashion, what have been your like, what have been your like, holy shit moments? You've had a lot of cool shit happen. Can I be honest? Yeah. I don't think of my life in those terms. What do you mean? You know, some people will be like, oh, this was one of the best years of my life. Yeah. I think every year is the best year of my life.

38:16Absolutely. Like I look forward. So I'm not thinking, I just, I don't even feel like I've made it. Yeah. If I'm being honest. Like I feel like I'm still breaking out. Yeah. I know that I understand to some people that seems very foreign and strange, but I just feel like I'm always growing. No, I'm with you. I actually agree with you and feel the same way. I think that every year is going to be better than the last and it has been so far. And I don't feel that I've made it at all. Yeah. But I still have holy shit moments where I'm like, oh my God, that's so crazy. Do you not have those? Where you're like, oh, I met this person or I got to do this thing or things where you just like kind of in the moment are like, wow, it's crazy that this is my life.

38:50A hundred of those. Yeah. Like every week. But you're in so much gratitude that it's hard to pin down. Is that what you think is going on? Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I'm racking my brain for the heroes I've met. And each time I've been like, wow, that's wild. And then you're like, back to work. Yeah, exactly. I know. But that's probably like, that's probably anti-labor or some bullshit. You know, like that's me not appreciating that. Like, I don't know. But I just, it's hard for me to live there. I like to live forward. that's really interesting one time a pop star told me they loved my work that was major that's really cool and you don't want to say who nice I'll tell you later I know you will people get really my favorite thing about podcasting is how mad people get when you say you're going to say something off camera I'm like yeah everything just can't be said but I get to know

39:44that's the privilege of podcasting is that I get to know later exactly we just don't want to give the little clickies and clippies you know yeah that's the thing and also you don't Sometimes also as a comedian, sometimes I feel protective over, I say a lot of, uh, off the wall shit and I know where it comes from and I can defend myself. Yeah. But I sometimes do feel protective of public figures that say nice things to me or whatever that I don't want to, I don't want to align them with me. Yeah. That I'm like, I don't want to get you in trouble. That this week, the viral clip is me saying like, oh, this very famous person is very nice to me and text me that they love my work.

40:17Yeah. And then the next week I'm in hot water for saying something about whatever. Do you get in hot water? People are always annoyed with me on the internet, but not in any way that's been very consequential. Interesting. Because it's mostly like a loud, small group of people that are just like really fucking annoying and sensitive. Okay, I have two comments. To go back to the private moments, I think like obviously we live in a space where the public is private and the private is also public. Or the public is public and the private is also public because of the ways in which we like share everything.

40:45We see a beautiful couple on the train and we're like, look at this. And it goes viral. So I appreciate private moments. And I want to, I don't know, be protective of that as well. So I agree with you there. And it's less about getting them in trouble and more just about, why can't we just have a moment? You know, like when you hang out with your friends and you're not taking photos and you're like, that was a great day. I don't have any photos. I kind of appreciate that about life. Absolutely. Yeah. And I also think I don't like, there are a lot of very awesome, cool things that have happened to me or that are in the works or whatever that I just like, I don't share about because I'm just like, well, I don't, I've just, I've always said that I think when people are killing it, they don't need to convince you.

41:27Yeah. And I'm like, I feel really good about what I'm doing. You're killing it. I'm killing it. You don't have to convince me. I don't need to. But it's like, yeah, I just don't need to share every single cool thing that happens to me because I'm just like, that's fine. It's cool that just I know that or just my inner circle knows that. It's cool that like only chance knows certain things about my life or that only you and I talk about things at lunch, you know? Yes. I think there's, it's nice to keep some things to yourself in life in general. Of course. Of course. So I agree with you. I'm, I'm, but maybe it's because we were born before the internet became so pervasive with smartphones.

41:56Do you think? I think that our generation is really, really special for that. Yeah. Yeah. Is that we got to be really proficient at the internet. and I had a Windows 95 Packard Bell when I was like five years old with the family computer and I got to learn as it grew but also had the privilege of understanding a world before where you had to print out the maps to get around where you had to call and memorize people's house phones and I think that that I guess we'll call it analog I think it's great to have that transition and it keeps me grounded in our reality yeah I think so too what's so true to you Z-Way?

42:37Okay what's so true I've been thinking about it a lot and this is based on the internet so I think my so true how am I supposed to say it? Is it like so true honey? No. It's actually called I think so honey we're ripping off Lost Culture. It says I think so honey I think so honey however you are babe. So my so true is that if you yourself have found yourself in like the 10th year of scrolling on a reality stars like Facebook page to find out that like a young Dometican woman with green eyes, maybe posted something problematic. You've gone too far. You've lost the plot. Like get onto the internet, get onto Reddit and like find out where the tapes are and release them.

43:17You know, like there are better things to, for you to do with your time than to be stalking young adults from Love Island. That is my biggest passion in the world. I do not understand the like morality that we've placed. Obviously these people are not perfect, nor do I want them to be, but they're not running for office. So we've placed this morality onto the winners of$50 ,000 after taxes for being able to hump the best. And we haven't thought, we haven't thought about our elected officials who need to also be sort of like policed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, I just think also like I, I, it's not my place in a lot of those cases, but I'm like, I just, I don't really care what people said when they were 17 or 19.

44:01if they're demonstrably different people now, and I don't know the Love Island situation, I don't know if it's like that, but I'm saying a lot of these things, like people will drag up something from so long ago that I'm like, if they're demonstrably different people, I think we can have grace and just be like, hey, that was weird. Let's keep that in mind and you be normal now. But the Love Island thing, I don't know anything about it. What happened with this girl? Well, I'm talking about a new girl, the winner who everyone loves and who was like a delight and very funny, but she posted something when she was 14 on Facebook.

44:30and she got in trouble. Yeah. And my thoughts behind that are, wow, I wish you guys would investigate some of the worst people in our country. Yeah, why don't you investigate hacking the student loan system? You know what I'm saying? Like eliminate debt. Really, because it's like, you guys are so smart. You're so thoughtful. You have clearly great politics. Why don't you invest that in systems that we can change? Yeah, do something better. Yeah. The one thing I can speak on is they try to do this a lot when people have said, like the F slur or like homophobic slurs when they were younger. And I'm like, okay, that's the one area I can say definitively shut the fuck up.

45:05I just don't care. Yeah. I just don't care. I'm like, unless they're actively being homophobic or transphobic right now in their adult life, I just don't give a fuck. If they have demonstrably changed and are different people and hang out with queer people, et cetera. I'm like, yeah, I just don't think that's ever going to be helpful to us too. I think it's actually okay. My so true. I think it's antithetical. I think you're actually worse for the cause than they are. You are making us seem like woke scolds who are unreasonable freaks. And you are doing more damage to the cause than they did when they were 13 posting a slur.

45:37Not to mention, we don't accept apologies. It's all about accountability. But what is the accountability here? And why are they accountable to you, random Twitter user? Who are you? Why are they not accountable to the people in their life and their actual community? Why do they need to be accountable to you, a stranger? I don't get that. the idea of being accountable to people who don't know you does not make sense to me you need to be accountable to the people who are in your life and they can let us know if that's happened or not but I just think the idea that some random jaded fucking ex-user in Florida is who I need to be accountable to as a human being is nuts it's not practical but I'm on the other side where I'm saying reality stars should be problematic because they're getting boring now and I want to hear a real housewife say the n-word like Ramona Singer just kidding just kidding just kidding guys don't do it there's some there's some reality stars watching and getting ideas don't do it they're heading to the keyboard now yeah no that's yeah i do miss i've said this often about uh figures like wendy williams or lena dunham that i'm like have missed the mark for me many times have not enjoyed certain things they've done or said but i miss bravery i miss and i miss fuck-ups i do too i miss fuck-ups i I miss a figure like Lena Dunham having one of the biggest shows on TV saying something objectively insane and out of pocket.

46:56And then a week later being like, sorry, y 'all, I was just speaking freely. That was bad and I apologize. I miss speaking freely. I miss when people would just say shit and see if it resonated. I don't like this media-trained, boring, sanitized. Devoid of personality. Devoid of culture. Just serve to you in an algorithm. I'm bored. Bored. I'm bored. I'm bored of it. Z-Way's bored. I'm bored. Z-Way's bored. Let's fix. But I'm not bored with you. No, I'm not bored with you either. I have a segment for you. Oh, wait. There's segments on this show? Yes. Wow. And this is sometimes one of the most loved and sometimes one of the most hated segments on the show.

47:27We'll see how you feel about it. The purpose of this is speed. Speed? Speed. I'm going to read you 15 statements as quickly as I can. Got it. You're going to tell me if you think it's true or false. Got it. And Z-Way, if you get 10 or more correct, I'm going to give you 50 US dollars. Okay. Wow. Which is crazy. You should give me that regardless. I know, right? We're actually... We'll talk off mic. Okay. You ready? Yes. The largest ocean in the world is the Atlantic Ocean. False. It's the Pacific. The human eye can observe 10 million different colors. Sure. True. The first movie produced by Pixar was Toy Story.

47:56No. It's true. Oh, whoops. Dogs sweat through glands in their paws. I thought they sweat through their tongue. False. True. Phillips Academy's newspaper is called The Philosopher. No, false. False. It's... Philippian. Nice! The Caesar salad was invented in Italy. It wasn't invented in Italy. It was invented in... I don't know. Mexico. Greenland is the world's largest island. Greenland is the world's largest island? I don't even know what that means. I didn't know countries could be islands. Australia is also an island. Sure. Is it? No, it's not. Is it an island? I don't know. False. True. Damn.

48:33Succession ran for five seasons. I think four. False. It was four. The moving sidewalk was invented in 1893. Who knows? Who cares? True. It's true. The New York City Marathon is the largest marathon in the world. probably true true robin thied graduated from depaul university dd and northwestern false it was northwestern applesauce was the first meal eaten in space i believe that true false beef and liver paste it takes two weeks for a sloth to digest a single meal two weeks that's true that's true two more the boston red sox have the second most world series titles i after the yankees that's got to be false go pats false they're tied for third most ah the liver is the The largest internal organ in the human body.

49:16No, the internal organ? Liver. Is that the one that goes like this? No, the liver? No, that's not true. It is true. I thought the intestines were the large organ. I don't know what to tell you, Zua. It's just what it says. The liver? I just read the paper. Largest internal organ in the human body. So larger than the small intestines. Define large. Is it by surface area? Because I don't think that's true. So I think what you're, yes, I hear you. because the large intestine, when laid out, it would circle around the globe, but it's so micro-thin that as far as actual mass that you can hold in your head.

49:53We might have to give this one to Z-Way. You can hold the large intestine in your hand and it would take up less space than the liver. But what does large mean in this context? Is it surface area? Is it weight? We might need to give this one to Z-Way. Chance hates when his questions get challenged. No, but you actually have to be really specific. Yeah, you're right. We're giving you that one. Chance, how'd you do? 11! Yeah! Let's go! How many was I allowed to get wrong? You did great. You were allowed to get, you needed to get 10 or more correct and you got 11. Wow, thank you. Which is crazy good work.

50:19Out of 15. Out of 15. 11 out of 15 is a really good one, by the way. I know, but go Pats. I can't believe the Red Sox lost. Go Pats. Yeah. For real. I'm like a Patriots fan. I know that's problematic. Why is it problematic? Because... I love this. I don't think it's problematic at all. I mean, right now it kind of sucks, but... Well, yeah, but they're in a transition, okay? Yeah, they're in a building period. Justice for Bill Belichick. Justice for Bill Belichick Free, free the homie Free the homie Bill Belichick You should make merch Free the homie Bill Belichick Merch would go crazy And you know it That'd be insane Z-Way merch actually I know it would You should get him on your show You don't think I want to?

50:54Have you tried? Bill Belichick I am calling on you now Go on Z-Way That'd be so huge for him He needs it right now I think that he and I Would get along Because I've loved the Patriots Since they won the Snow Bowl Against the Raiders Yeah Yes You need this actually you both need this he needs to be on the show and you need to have him on the show thank you I need him to come on Z way bad I love I love go Pats seriously go Pats I know but I feel like we are both we have the you know what's the way to say it like the axis of evil in terms of our sports love yeah because you like the Chiefs huge Chiefs fan yeah and people hate that about me now it used to be cute and charming when we were bad yeah now people are like they don't like that I talk about it they don't like a winner they don't like people don't like a winner I know can we discuss I mean society hates a winner two divas two divas lots of ops breaking down the ops they hate to see a winner it's so real i know it's hard but guess what winners win winners win and that's what we're going to continue to do is there anything you wanted to say that you didn't get to today um watch my interview hello am i talking here am i talking here watch my interview well because it's like also the wide is cute because then he could be like doing a little dance watch my interview with jigs monsoon watch my interview with caleb heron and feel free to watch my other interviews they're coming out monthly until i do more but who knows when i gave you lots of different options i saw i moved i did peace signs i did hearts i just wanted you to have the space to play with it thank you i'm sad that i didn't play with both cameras can we retake that of course okay watch my movie both in and we'll leave both in just for the audience they like this kind of stuff yes yes okay great when we do multiple takes and leave it Really?

52:27Do they like when you talk about sex too? They like when I talk about sex. I hear you talking about sex. They like when I talk about sex. They like my ads because my ads are chaos. Oh, who's your sponsor? We have all kinds of sponsors. I actually met a sponsor on the street the other day. I was walking down the street in Brooklyn and this girl in sweatpants. No, sorry, love. Whoa. She was out on a walk. Clearly not. I'm going to run into people walk. No offense, love. And she goes, Caleb, I sponsor your show. That's so cute. And I went, what? And she goes, yeah. And she told me the brand she works for.

52:56I don't want to out her, but she told me the brand that she works for. It's a big brand that does a lot of podcast ones. And she was telling me, she's like, yeah, I actually am a huge fan of your show. And I'm so glad that we get to like sponsor you guys. I love that. And I was like, thank you for your service. I love that. And Chance thanks you more than anyone. Amen. Yeah. And by the way, I'm courting sponsors as well. Sponsor. Oh, do you do sponsors right now on the show? Oh my gosh. People are leaving money on the table. I like having control. Yeah. Being perfect. Yeah. But now I like money.

53:24Yeah. It's important to like money sometimes. It's actually politically, it's revolutionary to be a capitalist, I've decided.

53:33I just made an opinion. Yes, yes, yes. Das Kapital. That's what that's about. That's exactly what that's about. I've actually said for a long time that I remember the day I decided that millionaires aren't the problem. Oh, really? That was a political change for me. And where were you in the tax bracket when you... I woke up one day and I said, no, it's just billionaires. It can only be billionaires. Let me get this money. Yeah, that is so funny. No, I do. The sponsors, God, we love them. We appreciate them. But I read the ads. I read the ads in a silly way, Z-Way, and that's just who I am. Oh, you do?

54:01You go like, oh, you got to buy Casper mattress. That's exactly what I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You actually, now I can't do that anymore because you nailed it so hard. No, I'll just like mess up and keep it in. I'll just be silly about them. Some people like it. Some people like the way I do ads. So if you start doing ads, maybe we could have a summit about it. Oh, yes. An ad summit. Ad summit. For adage. Caleb and Z-Way ad summit. Oh, my. I honestly, that's our Los Culturistas. Adweek. Yeah. I think so, Brand. Yeah. Brand, I think so. We're going to, I'm going to start ripping off Lost Colch. Wait, that's so funny.

54:30Have you been on Lost Colch? I have, of course. I did it like in 2020. I haven't been back since. They've never had me on. Oh, they haven't? No. I think there's a deep fear that we would slay too hard. I think so. I think it would be, the internet would, the internet would break. Yeah. I do love both of them though. And I love their categories that they do for the Culture Awards. I know. They're so chic. They're so fucking funny. Those two. They're really funny. Yeah. I met them years and years ago because I interned at this Comedy Central, like, rotational program with this woman named Sudi Green who went to college with them.

55:02And so I met them when I was an intern in, like, 2013. Whoa. Long time ago. I know. Holy cow. I love Sudi. She's so funny. She's so funny. She can write. She can write. And you know what? That's a dying art form. Yes. Being able to actually write. Oh, wow. Z-Way, where can people find you? At Z-Way on Z-Way. at Z-Way on Z-Way at Z-Way on YouTube I'm not on Twitter on YouTube Instagram TikTok Substack Substack you're really going in on I'm bullish on Substack right now I think it's important to have a following that is independent of an algorithm yeah I think that's really smart Z-Way thanks so much for being on we just love you thank you Caleb we did it Z-Way that was a hate gum podcast