Zooey Deschanel Loves to Snack

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2:25Wave. And then I'm like driving and I didn't have tinted windows because I didn't know like if you're on TV, you need tinted windows. I mean, like being an indie actor, everyone that comes up to you is like, it's a different thing. It's a really. It's cool. It's cool. Yeah. People are like, dude, I love your work. You know, it's like that.

2:53I bought this flavor because my kids love Olipop and I, um, my kids drink all the cream soda because I, I bought a bunch of flavors, but then they drank all of it. and so I never got to try it and I really like it. It's very vanilla. One of the times that my mom and I got in the biggest fight of our entire life is when I had told her that I don't like Diet Pepsi. Maybe I was like 12. And so she bought a bunch of Diet Pepsi for herself to have when she got home from being a nurse. Yeah. And she had like one left one day and I drank it just because there was nothing else interesting to drink in the house.

3:26And I didn't even like it. I just drank it to have something to drink. And she got home and she had been counting on the Diet Pepsi all day. and she was like through tears like how could you and i was like you're being a crazy bitch right now and she was like i'm not like she was like she was so and she was right she was mad at me you know what's so funny is that you just jog my memory that like i remember in high school having like a really bad day and i opened my lunch and my mom had packed a bagel with jam on it and i was like I want butter I remember crying over it because I was like so tired and I'd had such a bad day already that the like jam was like the straw that broke the camel's back and I was just like did you cry to her or just at school at school and my friends were like I was like you don't understand I love butter and I just want butter and I just want butter today and then I think it was like you know it's like the 90s and everyone thought that like jam was healthier than butter which it's not But I think I'd said like Mom like put jam on my bagel Because it's fat free or something Yeah Because we were all obsessed with fat free Fat free was the thing The thing Yeah That is so funny Yeah so anyway You and I would be in a little health notes We just wrapped a movie together Yes the best movie So much fun I had the best time I'm so glad I miss you so much Like I can't believe like I don't get to see you every day now It's a weird withdrawal all because we were spending like every minute together for weeks yeah and then you finished the movie and left and then it's just like like we're not hanging out at all anymore and and then i was like i was like hanging on to the fact that i was gonna come here yeah going okay at least i get to see caleb soon well then we just have to keep playing that's how you do it podcast time you have to keep planning like okay in january yeah we'll go somewhere okay good yeah in february Every month we're going to go somewhere Every month we're going to go somewhere To make it all work Yeah, but we finished the movie And we were being pretty good I would say when we were at that church That was our base camp We were walking on the outside track Oh yeah, we were Getting our steps in We were doing so good with our steps We were doing good with our steps We were doing so well with our steps Yeah I remember there was one day It was so freaking cold Yeah And we still went out And walked on that track And my eyelashes were like icicle frozen.

5:53Yeah, yeah. It was real. I think that's why my skin like freaked out and had to wear aquaphor on my face for like three days. You said you were having a skin thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just the wind. Yeah. That's Chicago wind. That's Chicago wind, baby. It's really famous. They don't call it Windy City for nothing. Not for nothing. They call it that because of the wind. They call it that because of the wind, guys. Which a lot of people don't know. People don't know. People are scared to say this. They think it's just a clever name. No, guys, it's the win. Yeah, it's the win, guys. Yeah, it was such a delight to get to do that with you, and I'm so excited.

6:27It was so fun. I can't wait for everyone to see it. I can't wait. It's called Trash Mountain. It is called Trash Mountain. It's based on your life. It is, and we just actually, we did an episode with Lily, who was going to do it, and then EP'd, and she and I did an episode, and I was expressing to her a little bit something that you and I kind of talked about on set, where I was just like, oh, it's this really interesting thing where like the movie is based on my life and a thing i went through but so much of it changed for the movie version yeah that there were these really conflicting like interesting times that like you know you and i would be doing a scene or something and i had such a hard time because you know without giving anything away there would just be things that like my character in the movie would say or do that i would never do in real life as me right and i kept having these like challenges where I was like, Oh, that's really hard.

7:16I remember there were moments that, that Gavin, your movie character had to be a little bit tough on my character, your sister. Yeah. And that's, you're just the sweetest baby boy and you never would ever do that. And you're like, I would never. Yeah. we were like it's got to have some drama yeah we have to have some drama and it was such a it was such a beautiful thing we we wrote this movie and we're like who's gonna play this role it has to be someone so good it has to be someone so down and then you and I got lunch in LA and I was like a little I was just nervous because I you I you know that I'm a huge fan and I've been a huge fan for a long time but I was like I'm a huge fan of her work I I hope that she's cool god I hope we get along and then we had like the most magic like three hour lunch yes it was so fun and you were what i remember that was so cute i kept your voicemail because you you sent me a voicemail because you were you were trying out a dumb phone yeah and hey don't laugh that hard at that don't laugh that hard at that chance it was a valid era that i went through i was love i mean i was like oh my god i admire this but then you couldn't figure out how to use the dumb phone and it left me this like really long message and it's like actually and it was like transcribed i was dying it was so funny it was me being like i i don't i don't know how to figure out how to turn this off i don't know how to turn it off i don't know how to press end i don't know what i don't know how to do this and it's just and then it was transcribing it i think at one point i gave over and i was like well it won't let me in the voicemail so another thing i was thinking about today like i'm like while i'm talking to you trying to figure out how to hang up the call on the dumb phone unbelievable the dumb phone makes you maybe a little bit yeah less smart dumb it dumbed me god the dumb phone era i want i could cry right now i wanted it to work so bad it ruined my life i was treated like a leper so people were ready to stone me in the streets i mean it was like it was not working people were community wasn't loving the community was more More than not loving, I was a hated and reviled figure in the community.

9:34And they started to message me other places. Like people refused to call the dumb phone. I was really ostracized. You're like walking past like a message board, like somewhere in a Pilates studio. And you're like, wait, what? Someone left a note for me. It's like, Caleb, if you are reading this. I will say the final straw for the dumb phone was one of my friends got so mad at me because we had gone out to his show. And then I was like, hey, we're going to go to this bar afterwards, but I wouldn't let anyone bring their smartphones with them in my group. And so the only person who had a phone was me who had the dumb phone.

10:10And then you couldn't find it. No, no, no. And then I was like, but if you don't get to the place before we go to the next place, I'll leave a note with the bartender that says where we're going next. And then he came to that bar too late, and then he had to get the note from the bartender, and then he had to meet us at the next bar. I thought this whole thing was pretty quaint and cool. Right, it is. People were pissed off. You went back to like an era like even before. Like I'm like back, there was like a time when we had like pagers and stuff. But like you had a pager. You didn't have to get a note from a bartender.

10:40I'm like, you're taking it like way back. Yeah. I took it back in a way that people were not appreciating. People were like, no. And can I tell you something? Yes. Three weeks of bliss. Yes. I've never been happier. I can't tell you what we're missing out on. No, it's great. I think the thing is, is if you have a smartphone and you just pick the apps that don't write your brain. Yeah. You like have a maps app. You just like have your, you know, like be able to text people or whatever. You're good at phone. I will say you're good at phone. Thank you. You're responsive when you need to be. But I don't, I feel that when we hang out, you're very present.

11:13Yeah. I put my phone away. A lot of times I, I put it away. So I don't even, I'm not even looking at it or thinking about it. I don't even see you on phone unless you're pulling up pictures of the kids. That's it. You're like, you have to see this picture of the kids. And I'm like, I do. Well, especially on set. Like, I try to stay really focused. And so then phone gets put away, you know. And then the treat is like a New York Times puzzle, you know. Yeah. What's bad about me on phone, I mean, there's so many things. But one of them is that the only time I ever do my puzzles and games is when I've run out of everything else to do on phone.

11:48Right, right. It's like 2 in the morning and I have nothing left to do on phone. And I'm like, oh, I could play Wordle for the first time in 17 days. I've been really good at Wordle lately though Second word multiple days in a row That's big Second word is like It's pretty low Percentage of my Wordles Where you live in? You in the third, fourth word, fifth? Third and fourth is my main But I have a number of Maybe I have like 12 Second words But Wordle's not my best game What's your best game? My best game is the one where you cross the letters and you make words. Wow. You know that little box?

12:31Yes. Letter box. Yes. I don't know why. I'm like, I love it, and I'm sort of good at that one. Yeah. It's where you have to have the center letter has to be in all of the words. Yeah. Yeah. You have to make. Yeah. You have to cross out every letter, and then you can't, like, use letter. You can't make a word on the one row. You can't put two in a row. They have to cross the box. Yeah. In eighth grade or ninth grade, I tried to get into Sudoku. Yeah. And I entered a period of depression based on it. I mean, I don't like number games. I like word games. Yeah. I love Scrabble, but no Sudoku. You and I haven't played Scrabble yet.

13:19we need to scrabble I'd love to scrabble I made a I had a guy that I had been seeing come over to my house recently and I was like do you want to come over and play scrabble and he was like yeah sounds great and he got over and he was being very like touchy like we weren't going to play scrabble and you're like I was like we'll have sex but we're going to play this game of scrabble and then I played a very intense game of scrabble with him and destroyed him and then the mood I will say the mood was a little killed you can't be too intense about Scrabble well but I think he has to recognize and represent he has to show up ready for Scrabble that's why I mostly play with girls Scrabble is king if I say come over for Scrabble well I think I pushed it because then after Scrabble I did try to play Uno and he's like oh Scrabble yeah it was Uno when I pulled out Uno after Scrabble he was like hey man I'm done here I gave on that I was like you're right we should hook up Yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:17You gave up the Uno? Yeah, I was like, no Uno, no Uno. Also, I'm not into Uno. You wouldn't play Uno with me? Of course I play Uno with you. Okay, thank you. I just don't really want to play it in general. Yeah, to sort of appease you, I would play Uno with you. I like Monopoly Deal. No, I don't know this. Will you explain it to me? Let's do it. So Monopoly Deal is very much like Monopoly, only you can play it a lot faster than a game. Monopoly lasts a full day if you play the board game. But if you play Monopoly Deal, you can cycle through it faster. And it's very similar to the game, but you play it with cards.

14:58And it's super fun. You can take it on vacation. Yeah. If you like Monopoly, you'll love Monopoly Deal. They need to hit you up. One of the first times I realized that I was capable of being drunk with power was when I was assigned, I got to play the banker. Oh, yeah. You know, I really was like, I could be a bad person if I didn't keep this thing in check, you know, because I really liked the way I felt. Yeah, I like the way I feel as a banker too. I did, and in a way that I was like, I liked it. I liked hurting. I liked hurting. I mean, I liked, I was like, that property is, you know, you can't have it anymore.

15:32No, I'm taking that back. That's mine now. Yeah, and you'll go to jail. Yeah. And you will not collect$200, and I liked that. Do not pass go. You can't. I'm sorry. No passing go. It's not personal, baby. It's business. Listen. Yeah, exactly. It's business, baby. Okay. Wait. I have a question for you. Okay. Tell me everything. You have made so many indie movies in your career. So many indie movies. You're kind of the indie movie queen, I feel. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So when you started auditioning and stuff, you were telling me a little bit about how they were sending you out and how that was going.

16:09how were your first like auditions and booking movies going like how did you so when i first started i'm not sure i can't remember exactly what we talked about and if there was something like funny i said about it but um that when i first started i was like 16 years old and i was like horrible at auditioning like absolutely awful at it um but i did it i'd cry after like every single one yeah um and then they were that was the time they were like making a ton of teen movies so they like basically if you were a 16 year old they were like we'll sign you so it was a good opportunity but problems that one i wasn't good at auditioning and two i didn't fit into like any archetype of teen because they were like she's i remember hearing this casting director like on the phone talking about me and she's like no no she's not she's not like your typical babe because I guess that's who was coming in she goes she's like weird and I was like is this a compliment?

17:19should I have heard that? like I'm weird? that's good right? that's so fucking funny so yeah so bad at it so I got better but took a very long time It took like a year of auditioning to be like, I got this. Auditioning is, though, such a randomly different skill than working. It totally is, and that's why I also have a hard time understanding why now. I mean, now I have enough of a career that's not something I'm having to do all the time. But I do think it's strange that they cast a lot of stuff off of video now, and it's like self-tape type situations. and I just think you have to be in a room to see if somebody can take direction and that's the most important thing for an actor to be able to do is to be able to adjust in the moment like you know in a kind of nerve-wracking situation and that you're like you have like skills on the day you know yeah and that you're like a I don't know the energy in the room is just different it totally is people can come across so well on screen and then you meet them and you're like whoa oh that's what you're like yeah it can be like that um i think that's what's so interesting about the moment we're in now where so many people's careers are entirely screen mediated yes then you you meet some of these people and it's no tea no shade and less deserved but like some of these people that have such a uh perfectly curated screen mediated presence you meet in person or you get around them on a job or something and you're like whoa the vibe is crazy different yeah and the screen mediation there's something so like lost or added like it's just a difference maker it is and when you're making a film you're like you have to curate the the whole set vibe and that that ends up coming across like and if you're just seeing like this and it's just the person and they've they've been very you know controlling about how you know what they show then you're gonna see like those other bits that maybe aren't additive to your project, you know?

19:27Yeah. You kind of want to see the whole... You do. I was wondering the other day, actually, I'm wanting to ask you, like I'm only capable, obviously, at this point of seeing Almost Famous as like this huge movie, like this big, you know? But when you got that role, did it feel like a huge get? That was a huge get. Okay, cool. Yeah, that was a huge get because, I mean, Cameron Crowe is like a legend. Yeah. And it was like his story. I mean, you know what's funny? Look, I got to play Cameron Crowe's sister and I got to play your sister. Equal opportunities. Oh my gosh. No, both. Unbelievable. Like, no.

20:06So that, it was such a, everyone wanted to be in that movie. And it was like the, they called it the untitled Cameron Crowe project. And honestly, like, it was so crazy because I was a college student. I'd done one movie and an episode of TV. I mean, I'd been around like auditioning, as you know, in high school, but I'd only booked a few jobs and I booked this wonderful little movie with Lawrence Kasdan before I went off to college. And then I was like, I'm going to theater school. And during my winter and spring breaks, my agents and managers sent me out on some auditions. and um and i auditioned for that because everybody did but i didn't think there was like any way i would get anything in it but i went back a couple times i didn't meet him but i met the casting directors and they had i was on tape and um i guess what happened was sarah polly was supposed to play kate hudson's part kate hudson was supposed to play my part and then kind of last minute Sarah Pauly couldn't do the movie anymore Kate Hudson got moved up to Penny Lane and then they had this part and they had to find someone fast and so I guess they went through all the tapes of people that had come in and Cameron saw me and was like oh she looks right seems right and so I luckily I kind of got to skip a lot of the process I think because I was like at college and then I came back on spring break and they were like Cameron Crowe wants to meet you like himself and so I went in and they just like cast me because they like need someone fast but I think he makes I mean like I think he has people come in and read a bunch of times like he really likes to work a lot with people and do a lot like really make sure the vibe is right which respect um for that but then I didn't have to do like a million reads which was great for me um but I had an amazing work session with him and yes it was a huge deal it was like this was the that was the movie that everybody wanted to do yeah yeah and then you did it and then I did it and then what how did things kind of transpire after that like what it what it what happened after that so I quit college to do that movie and then I got no work for like a full 14 months iconic absolutely iconic and then I was just sitting around watching movies all day so I go to the new Beverly and the new art and all the like revival house theaters.

22:40And I'd watch double features for$7 and just fill my days with like watching like old movies. And so that was kind of like an education, I guess, in itself. Luckily I had like a group of friends at the time that was also very into doing that. So yeah, I'd go see like rock shows and I would go to the theater to see movies. For 14 months. 14 months it was like film school do you remember the first thing that you got after that little spell of like kind of just like working at it and waiting around actually yes because i got cut out of this movie um because i only had one scene and i understand why but i was a little bit like what but it was great because it broke the spell it was um it was a michelle gondry movie called human nature he made it like before all his really it wasn't didn't didn't it wasn't a super famous movie but it was Patricia Arquette and I got to I got to she was she was having a flashback where she's like in college and um she's supposed to be like I feel like like part ape or something in the movie I'm trying to remember um and I'm supposed to be her college roommate in a flashback um but they cut it out so um but anyway that footage is somewhere I will be finding it you'll find it I'll a hold of it.

24:03Just like write a little letter, Michelle Gondry. Yeah, please. One of the biggest arguments that my mom and I got into outside of the Diet Pepsi argument was that I booked like one of my first, one of my very first TV roles when I was like doing stand-up in Chicago was on Fargo. And it was a big break for me. It was a big deal. It's huge. And it was like a pretty, actually a pretty good role. I played like a 1950s like redneck gas station owner. It was like very simple and like, it was an interesting like far from self role that I got to like actually like create and work on. You mean you're not a 1950s gas station owner?

24:38Well, I'm one of those things and I'm never saying which. But I, yeah, it was like a fun thing to actually get to develop a character. And I had told my mom about it. And then she, like after I booked it and then she posted about it on Facebook, she was like, she was like, my son's going to be, and I was like, mom, I was like, I could get cut out of that. You're going to jinx me. Like I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything. Yeah. And she was like, I don't know how to delete it. And I was like, girl, get like, And so I had to like talk her through deleting it on the phone. And I was so mad at her.

25:05But it was really sweet. But yeah, because my, I still am very superstitious about - Oh, me too. I'm so superstitious. I'd be like, ah. Because you can get cut so easily. I'm like, I don't want to brag. And then - Especially if you have like one scene, it's just so easy to just snip, snip it out. To see you later. That thing is too, that movie's too long. If you're not pivotal. That's why like one thing about Almost Famous that I was like so happy about is my character is so pivotal. Yeah. even though I only had like three or four scenes, like they couldn't cut me out. Yeah. They had to put me in.

25:37So you did, you did that, you did that movie after the. Yeah. And then I'm trying to think what I did. Then I had like a, oh, okay. Let's see. I did like a ton of little Indies, like right in a row. I think I did, I did that, that broke the spell. And then I did like, um, I know I did, uh, this little movie called Manic, um, with Joe Gordon-Levitt and Don Cheadle. That was a tiny movie, but it was fun to shoot. And then All the Real Girls, which is one of my favorite movies I ever got to do. Yeah, it was like a bunch of indie movies. Then I was just like doing Sundance movies back to back after that.

26:17It was a big Sundance era for you. Sundance era lasted like 10 years. I mean, how did you feel at the time? I guess my question is like in the moment that you were in your Sundance era, Were you like this is the fucking best This is exactly what I want I had always like said I wanted To do like art films that was like That was like my goal And I was like I'm doing it So I felt really good about it I loved that Era the only thing is that With like little tiny indies you have to like Work so much to just like Pay rent you know like you just Have to like basically do like five movies a year Which was fine Because I was like in my 20s and yeah I mean it was great I loved doing I love doing indie movies like it's probably my favorite thing to do in terms of passion like nothing's better I also just like I like the feeling that we're like all filmmakers and we're all involved like deeply on this level of like getting it done I think there's this thing the bigger the budget the more separated you get from like as an actor they're like go wait in your trailer and like we'll come get you And then you're kind of, you kind of feel more separated from that sort of filmmaking process.

27:31And I just, I love being in it. Like I'm, I'm very like hands on. I love it. Yeah. You really do. I mean, like I do. A lot of people say stuff like that. Right. And then their actions kind of don't bear it out. Right. And I, I, you told me that when we met the first time that you were like, I love this shit. Like I love making films. I love indies. And I was like, I was like, I really hope that's true because that's what this movie would be. Yes. And then being on set with you, I was like, God, she really does love it. Oh, I love it so much. Standing in for yourself and so just like, yeah, you really do love it.

28:04I have to say I was very inspired and surprised. I love it so much. And I also, I just love the, like, I just, I like the grittiness of doing an indie movie. And I also just love getting to do character-driven things that maybe are not exactly what a big studio would be. feel comfortable making like things that are off the beaten path and a little bit more, you know, like maybe a little more emotional than they might want, maybe a little bit like different in, and I feel like those are the really special things. And so for me, it's just a treat to get to do it. I love it. Yeah. Well, you're so great at it.

28:44It's a gift to us when you do it. Oh, you're so sweet. Working with you as a treat. Stop. Working with you as a You know I'm shy. I do want to ask a question that we absolutely can cut if you're like, I don't really want to talk about that. But you said something really, really interesting to me about when you decided to do New Girl. Yeah. And when you went and signed on to that project. Yeah. And then you had that moment of realization where you were driving in the car and you saw the. Oh, yeah. Do you want to talk a little bit about that era? And deciding to do TV. Yes. Something I was surprised by and didn't really know is that like, I really had fallen in love with your work in films.

29:22Yeah. And then like, I guess there was a weird thing about going and doing TV. Yeah. It was, it was at the time they're like film actors and TV actors and they, you don't mix. And it's like TV was sort of seen as this just like other whole thing. And it was this line that not a lot of people cross. It was like, you were not going to do TV if you were a movie actor. And it was like, I was a movie actor. And then there were TV actors. And it was kind of like, so limiting. And I just feel like whenever you see like those weird prejudices like that, you have to go like red flag and then opportunity.

30:01Because frankly, that script was so amazing. The New Girl script was so amazing. I was like, if this were a movie, everyone would want to do it. It would be like everyone. But it was because it was TV. it didn't have the kind of probably didn't have as much you know like people who were wanting to do tv wanted to do it but it was like it was just didn't have as as many people maybe interested in it but it's like was such an amazing script and I felt like well here's where we make the decision to go where the material is and not think about like oh I'm a this so I'm not going to do that And also it was a, it was a pretty, I mean, there's, it seems like there's always transformative, like every few years, there's a big transformation in, in the entertainment industry.

30:51Like things change and, and, um, uh, like it just changed. You have to be ready to pivot and, and do things that were, was do things that are different from how you used to do them. so for me that was doing television um because they had actually so when I first started there were tons of indie movies being made all the time and then and that's how I that's was my bread and butter and then all the like studios that had like wings that made independent like kind of independent type films like they cut a lot of the slate so all of a sudden it was like they might have had 80 and then they went to eight and it was like just a bunch of superhero movies and I was like well that's kind of not my thing and not that I couldn't do superhero movie um uh Marvel if you would like to call me I'm accepting we're taking calls we're taking calls um but it just was like a lot of the stuff I had been doing was kind of drying up and I was like do I just do music because I was doing tons of music at the time and that's kind of what I was thinking I was going to do and then um I got that script and I was like you know what this is so freaking funny I I and I was like it's also it now everyone's like oh you are Jess but I'm like no that's nothing like any of the parts that I ever did before and I was so excited to have the opportunity to play something really different and get like into it because I was like this is my wheelhouse but nobody knows it yeah so I was really excited what what made you fall in love with the script?

32:32I mean, I know you said it was funny and that it was a new challenge for you, but was there, do you remember anything about it that like really set it apart at the time from other things you were reading? The, the tone of the dialogue was just so unique. And Liz Merriweather who wrote it is unbelievably talented. Um, she's gone on to do a ton of incredible stuff, but, um, yeah, um, just the way she wrote dialogue was just so great. And I love the characters that she created you know yeah and i was like oh i love reading scripts that go that when i read them i go ah i can't wait to say that you know i can't wait to say that yeah not oh can we do it this way you know like it's just so fun to be able to have that feeling where there's like lines are like oh i can't wait yeah that is that yeah that's the best like your script well thank you that's very nice ruby Ruby Caster, who co-wrote it with me.

33:29She was just a dream to work with. You guys are a dream. I love you both so much. It was a blast. Okay, but so the... I'm so interested in it because I feel like the experience that you had with that show was such a rarefied, like crazy... There's a very small percentage of people in the world who will go through something like that. Oh, right, and you were talking... What we were talking about. Okay, I know what you were asking me about. moment where you were like what the hell I was like I had the show had just like gone on the air and it was big when it came out and I remember driving down Highland which is like a huge street in LA like right near the Hollywood Bowl on my way to work rush hour and I looked up to my left and I literally was surprised because I you don't always know what the marketing department's gonna do they just like they'll do big you know they'll do they'll go big sometimes and i looked at my left and there was a full building with a picture of me my face a full building and then it said it said simply adorkable and and it said like zoe and i was like i was like this is all at once like my nightmare and my dream.

34:50Yeah. All the things. And then I'm like driving and I didn't have tinted windows because I didn't know like if you're on TV you need tinted windows. I mean like being an indie actor everyone that comes up to you is like it's a different thing. It's a really It's cool. It's cool. People are like dude I love your work. You know it's like that. I loved you in that thing. Whatever. It's not the same as being marketed. And I remember, so I'm like, I look up and I was like, oh my God. And then all of a sudden I feel this, there's like a pounding on my window and this guy starts going, hey, hey, you.

35:34And he just starts like pointing at the thing. And I was like, ah. And I have apologized to you. I was having a bad day. It's okay. But I was very excited to see you. Yeah, it was so crazy. and I was like, I'm getting tinted windows tomorrow. That was the tinted window era that we entered. That's where the tinted windows came in.