How Browserbase Raised $67.5M to Power AI Agents & Vibe Coders

23:57And there's a lot of success, a lot of revenue. But as things settle over the next several years, I'm curious to see how the markets shift and how different categories of vertical AI agent companies play out. Would you classify BrowserBase as an AI agent? We're more of an infrastructure company. So we sit below them. Our customers are often building AI agents. Do you think people think that you are? I think BrowserBase is a category creator, which is still trying to define and share with the world what we're doing. So no, if you're watching this, we're not even really an AI company. We're an infrastructure company.

24:30We help companies use model, but people bring their own models on BrowserBase. Their models control our browsers, right? So we're more of a primitive or a building block. And when you think about the LLM OS, the LLM is the brain. The browser is just one of the tools it needs. Same with file systems, same with video and voice inputs, same with embedding and vector databases. These are all the primitives that help power these agentic applications. And we seek to build the default browser for AI. Browser base is not an AI agent. It is infrastructure. Yes. We are the only AI company in AI Grant that spent like$0 on models while we were in AI Grant.

25:09So we're very much, you know, server, security, compliance at scale, like making sure we give you all the tools and building blocks. That's where we spend a lot of our time. Well, let's talk about security and compliance a little bit. So how do you think authentication lays into the whole theme of this? It's a great question. That must be a Bucky question. Maybe. How do I think that authentication lands in the future of AI? Well, I certainly think that your agent authenticating on your behalf is an important part of it browsing the web. If you want to have it go book that flight, it probably needs to sign into your United account or maybe your JetBlue person, your JetBlue account, and buy it with miles, right?

25:46But sharing your password with an agent is not the easiest way to do things. And JetBlue doesn't have some sort of advanced agent authentication system set up yet. So one, it's like who is positioned to build AI agent authentication? And secondly, what about all the other companies that don't have that sophistication? I think that there's some really great opportunities for authentication providers. One of our investors, Okta, the founders of Clerk, the founders of Stitch, the founders of WorkOS, all investors in BrowserBase. And it's because I believe that if you currently are using WorkOS, Stitch, Okta, or Clerk, they can enable agent-based authentication really easily.

26:24It's a switch because they already have the distribution. They're already doing login with those companies and sign up with those companies. Why not let your agent log in on your behalf? So they're very well positioned to solve that. But secondly, for the rest of the internet, I'm really excited about how can we let our agent log in on our behalf? And I see some really interesting opportunities with 1Password. or what if you could share your one password password with your agent and it has some sort of limited access, limited audited access to your password vault and it can go log in on your behalf and then remove that access.

26:53So it feels like the tools are there, but the biggest thing holding back AI agents from really browsing the web reliably is authentication and there needs to be some innovation there probably from a couple very well established companies. You should partner with World, Tools for Humanity. Yes, I think we should. I mean, I think there's like this idea of like, how do you authenticate people? And like CAPTCHAs are really like proof of personhood. I can't even do those, honestly. Like, I don't know where the tire ends and begins. It's too confusing. They've gotten very sophisticated, right? And it's challenging.

27:24But, you know, CAPTCHAs exists because there was only bad bots on the internet in the past. You know, they're mostly trying to take over your account or steal your credit card info. But now there's good bots. And how do you identify between good bots and bad bots when a CAPTCHA just tries to block all bots? I think authentication helps solve that problem where, you know, your agent can say, hey, I'm working on behalf of Molly. This is her account. I'm going to help her book this flight. And at least they know it's Molly and that proof of personhood or the delegated proof of personhood will help with the abuse and the CAPTCHA problem.

27:54So that's one reason the authentication is really needed. This goes into the topic of regulation and Cal, she has a really interesting market out on this right now. So do you think AI regulation will become federal law this year? Yeah, it's a good question. I think there will be some sort of regulation, right? Like especially around like deep fakes or video. It feels like if you use AI-generated video to cause pain or harm or reputational harm to someone, is that standalone AI regulation or is that just part of defamation as like a law or classification? I don't think they're going to ban like models of a certain parameter size.

28:30So I am biased on the broad yes here. There will be some AI regulation this year. But I'd have to look at the scope of the poll and see if it's all about training or something like that. Well, I'll tell you right now. Please. There's about a 35 % chance right now on CalShe. Oh, that's a good take. Yeah, that it becomes federal law. But I know your point on the deep fakes in the video. Like the Google VO, however you want to say it, 3, is insane. It's so good. and I'm watching you know videos on my phone on like Instagram and I'm laughing at them because it's funny and that one of the jokes is like your grandparents are going to be like in for a rude awakening because there's these like clips of um of like news reporters with like aliens in the background or like crazy events happening and like that's like kind of like a ha like silly use case but that just mirrors like what potentially could actually be shared on the internet.

29:28Yeah, I think the opportunity for disinformation is really large and it's going to take some sort of, you know, proof of reality in media. Same thing along with proof of personal. I think there's just more. I'm not a crypto person, but it seems like there's a crypto solution here where it's like there's more proof of authentication of something is legit that needs to be verifiable by everyone. And I think there's a lot of innovation left. Like we're still so, so early in this new AI world with models and agents and all these like buzzwords and MCP. that there's going to be stuff to be figured out, but I'm optimistic that there's so many people starting companies that people will figure this out and it's going to become net positive over the longer run.

30:07Are there any product bets that you're making in LLMs or autonomous workflows? Yeah. So we're actually launching a new product today, part of series B. Oh my God. First, first heard on sorcery. Breaking news. Breaking news. Um, you know, and it's called director, director.ai. and it kind of like goes with this theme around the rise of the vibe coder. And what was really interesting is I kept talking to dentists. Dentists would book calls with us on BrowserBase saying, hey, like we are trying to automate this back office thing. I have cursor, I have clod code, and I want to try and do this thing.

30:40I want to use BrowserBase. I'm like, wow, that's awesome. Like these dentists are, hey, they're smart. They're trying to automate some software. And instead of buying software to do it for them, they wanted to vibe code their own because they had some like bespoke need or they want it done a certain way, you know. And I really thought a lot about how can I arm the Vibe Coders to help automate their work online. And Director is that. A Director is an agent builder. So using natural language, you don't have to know how to code. You can say, hey, I want you to go to the California Nursing website, look up Julia Hu, nursing number 94156, and tell me that she has her nursing license.

31:14That's my wife. And, you know, it will build you that workflow to actually go out to the website, put in the information in the form, verify this credential check, it's a common thing in medicine, to check the credential, and then give you a script that you can then integrate into your application. And what's quite cool is that it helps people build these POCs where it's like, well, can't AI automate that for me? Well, you can try it with Director and chat to build this automation script. And then when it works well, you can hand it off to an engineer and say, hey, can you make this ready for production?

31:42Or can you integrate this into our application? So we view this as kind of like, it's like the V0 for browser automation or the lovable or the bolt.new for browser automation. And we're really trying to arm the vibe coders with better tools because we think that this is a better experience than just dropping our docs into cloud code or something like that. Who knew dentists were vibe coders? Dentists are vibe coders. There's so many vibe coders. I mean, one of our customers is a 55-year-old dairy hauling company. They never hired an engineer in their entire life. How did they find you? Well, they hired their first engineer this year.

32:14And that engineer used BrowserBase to automate the aggregation of gas prices along a route. Previously, they had an ops person saying, okay, you're doing this route. Here's where you stop for gas. They built like a AI assistant that would go give in the route, find the gas prices, and tell you where you should go for gas. And that was all Vibecoded by this engineer using BrowserBase. So I think it kind of has shown that AI has escaped Silicon Valley. People are building agents in the middle of the United States. They're building it internationally. So it's not just our SF bubble anymore. and we think that the primitives here are really well advantaged to help power Vibecoders because when you're a Vibecoder, you're just pulling together a bunch of primitives and trying to build your bespoke applications.

32:52So we want to really double down on those people and the director.ai product is going to be the thing we do to give them better tools. It's hit the farms. It's hit the farms. And the dentists. Wow, you've hit escape velocity. I don't know where you go after that. Yeah. Truly. To the moon. To the moon. Love premium merch just as much as we do. That's why Sorcery uses 4th Wall. Everyone from creators like Marques Brownlee to podcasts like Acquired to orgs like the Smithsonian Institute are using 4th Wall. They let you create and sell premium products without having to stress the details. They handle everything from production, shipping, customer support, taxes, even giveaways.

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34:07Like they're actually the most educated people at browser base. Like one went to Columbia, they went to Harvard, another went to Harvard. So like pretty smart people on our team and they're all engineers. So like we think that when you are a developer and you're trying to get support for an application you're building, you want to talk to another engineer. And that's why we've built this customer engineering team that you can hop on a call with them. You can book office hours with them. When you're trying to build your application, our KPIs, how soon can you get to production? How soon can you ship this thing?

34:33And we spend a lot of time on making that easy. As well as like, you know, we try and make the product very self-service. So for our customers, they don't have to talk to us. But if they want to, if they want advice, we're here to help them. And it's a team that I'm very proud of because they do a lot of the heavy lifting to make, you know, when our product isn't doing a great job, which there are many parts of our product I want to keep making better, the customer engineering team really helps smooth over the rough edges. because they can kind of be there with the workaround or be there with the best practice or help you avoid the landmines before you step on them.

35:02So what is your team composition? I've heard you have a great culture, a really great team. You guys are based in San Francisco, but what's the current composition? Yeah, we're about, you know, I think two thirds engineering, one third go to market. So, you know, we're an infrastructure company, so majority engineers. Within those engineering teams, we have like five sub teams. And then on the go to market side, we have just one big blob of go to market people. and they all like have very clear responsibilities like you know we have a sales function we have a growth function we have a customer support function marketing function within growth but we've tried to keep things very flat and i think that really we've tried to invest a lot in this in-person culture in san francisco we have an office in san francisco the team is in person five days a week uh but it's like we balance that intensity where it's like hey we people kind of show up between like 9 or 10 a.m they leave around like 6 or 7 p.m and you know if you step out to go to the dentist, it's like no big deal.

35:56It's not like we're building a like prison or something, right? Like we're just trying to go back to what we had before COVID, which was like high trust, high integrity, default is coming into the office. And we built this culture that I call, we call this an emotionally vulnerable company. So we really anchor on, hey, how can we talk about the hard things? How can we talk about the feelings we have about the work we're doing? Because if you don't express that, you end up building a lot of resentment. And like a few of our values is like assume best intent, dare to trust. Like you just met this person.

36:25Are you going to trust them like with their opinions? Well, you should. Like that's the first thing, assume best intent, dare to trust. Embrace our mistakes. We did something in all hands recently where we all went around and said like, hey, what's one thing we messed up on recently to try and normalize that? And what engineer was like, hey, like I chipped this bug that broke production. And it made me really question like, am I a good engineer? And immediately we were all able to say, no, you're a fantastic engineer. What are you thinking? But like just being able to find those like little insecurities and validate them and then also like push people to continue to take risks and we are going to ship bugs that's okay it's part of the journey but the more that we can be aware of how we're feeling about the work we're doing the better we can work together as a team in person so people really like our culture we have a great video about our culture on our website on the careers page that really kind of like to me speaks to what it feels like to work at browser base and the most important value is pressure is a privilege and I got that from the US Open where like you walk out the US Open, it's out there.

37:19And I love that because we were a team of former founders. I'm a former founder of a company that didn't find product market fit. And it's important to remember like when you feel customer pressure, when you feel pressure from investors or from the world, that means you're doing something right. That means that you have the opportunity to build something and people are depending on it. And I really like to try and reframe that. When we feel stressed out and pressure, like, oh my gosh, that means something is working and we shouldn't be taking that for granted. Bucky did mention in our notes that the ownership mindset is like a critical value of the company.

37:48But how did you actually come to that? And why do you think that's so critical? Yeah, well, I think that's the only way you can scale well. Like you can't, you can hire a bunch of like midline managers to micromanage each team and like make sure things are on the right path. Or you can empower people and say like, hey, if you build something, you need to see it through and make sure people use it. Like you don't just throw it over the fence to the growth team and like hope it gets used. Like I always try and get the engineering team to question like, okay, I ship this thing. Are people using it?

38:17If not, should I be tweeting about it? Should I be helping grow it? Should I be going to the Slack channel telling our customers about that? There shouldn't be these artificial divides between like building and growing. I actually think that the growth team is here to help champion our engineers when they build things. But we also have no PMs and that's by design. Like the engineers drive the product requirements from the customer needs. And I think that gets a lot easier when you have more customers because there's clearly a lot of needs. so you can just pick something off there, spend time with the customer, build the thing that works for them, and then own the outcome of like, well, how do I get more people to use this?

38:48Do I write a blog post? Do I make a video? And using our growth resources to make that as seamless as possible. How do you filter for that in recruiting though, and you're hiring people, like how much of this is training versus just natural expertise? Yeah, I wish I had like a tweet that I could say that would like capture that. I think it's a lot of vibes. I think it's like you can pattern match really well. Like I've hired 25 people in person in San Francisco. We've had people move across the country to come work at BrowserBase. And it kind of comes down to a few things. It comes down to like, are they a missionary?

39:21Like I really, we're still in the missionary phase at BrowserBase where like every person who works here deeply cares about the mission. They all have built something before joining the company with BrowserBase. And they said, this is why it makes sense to me. So they're botted on this thing and they want to be contributing to it. I also think that a lot of former founders really enjoy working at BrowserBase. We have quite a few XYCCTOs or former CEOs of smaller companies that have come to BrowserBase. Those people tend to get it. They're also just great people to work with because they know the pressure I'm under as a solo founder and they're a great support network for me within the company.

39:54Throughout it all, the way we find great people is really having great people come to us and making sure with clear messaging, like I said earlier, the right people tend to self-select into BrowserBase. And the more we can share our culture externally, we end up attracting the right people. And through, you know, a series of many conversations, we're able to figure out their intentions and their attitude are aligned to what we need to build a great company. How are you thinking about growing the team with this new funding? We're going to double the team. So we're getting to 50 this year. We've had, I haven't had a desk at BrowserBase since I started the company.

40:26What? Yeah. I think I had one for like a month. Just standing around, walking around? Yeah, I've just been like in calls and like I just like squat at people's desks. But we've moved like four or five offices now, I think. So we're moving again twice this year to expand. But throughout all that, like it's just we want to grow the team. We want to grow engineering. We want to grow our sales motion a little bit more. I think a lot of infrastructure companies and dev tool companies are allergic to sales. It's like engineers don't like to sell. Both my parents were salespeople. So I'm what happens when you get like a gamer raised by salespeople who loves the code, right?

41:01So I think for us, we need to be best in class at sales. And sales is a really important tool for helping people understand how do they fit this into their product and how do we think about helping you shape your roadmap over the next six months. So really doubling down across all of the business. And I think 50 is going to be a really awesome size. I think we've historically underhired BrowserBase, so I'm excited to kind of bring more people into the fold. We actually hired five people this last month. Congrats. Thank you. Wow. That's great. That's big. And we didn't even talk about this yet, but let's get into your background.

41:31Oh, please. So you've mentioned a couple of times your solo founder. What? Okay. Yes, you mentioned that. But also, I just remembered I was listening to a pod with Turner Novak, and he said that you said founding a startup should be last resort. So, wow. Can you like bring that into the whole picture here? Absolutely. I mean, I think a lot of founders start companies for the wrong reasons. And I was one of those founders. I remember it very clearly. I was at Twilio for three years from intern IPO and then stayed to lead a team. And I'll never forget the day I knew I had to quit. I just had this big architecture decision, and my tech lead had given me a bunch of comments on it.

42:11I was like, this guy. I disagreed. And I went home, and I coincidentally got a text from my future co-founder of my first company, Land. And he said, hey, do you want to help me hack on this thing this weekend? I was like, let's do it. And we built this really awesome product called Stream Club. And the reason I started that company was because I liked the building. I liked the idea of starting a company. I wanted to see what I was capable of. But I wasn't like, I didn't have any differentiated attitude towards the live streaming market back then, and nor did any of us really. But we were at the right place, right time, and had the right team to go try and build a great company.

42:43And I think that people who start companies because they want to see what it's like, it can be very challenging because you don't have that raw emotional connection to what you're building that will push you through all the hard times, you'll see what it's like. It's really hard. You know, building a company is very painful and you lose your hair and you don't work out as much and your life is not the same. You don't see your friends as much. So I think that after we exited Stream Club and we were able to go work at MUX, which is a video info company, really great company, I took a lot of time to reflect on why should you start a company?

43:15And to me, you should start a company when nobody else is building the thing that you need. and with StreamClub I spent a lot of time on browser automation or this idea of the headless browser which is what BrowserBase offers as a browser running on a server. And I spent so much time on this stack and I became very opinionated about it. It's one of the reasons why I sold StreamClub to MUX was for headless browser technology. And that really helped me develop a point of view on this infrastructure and why it was important. And maybe a year or so later this rise of AI and AI agents I kept getting calls like, hey, how do we use this headless browser stuff?

43:50You're super familiar with it. Like, you know a lot about it. And I just gave them a lot of feedback. I said, oh, well, I'm sorry, guys. Like, most of the infrastructure here kind of sucks. So you're going to go build it yourself. And here's my tips. And by like the 20th conversation, it became very clear that no one was building the infrastructure to help these people automate the web. And that needed to be me. But I also was like very hesitant to start a company. I felt like to start a company, you have to be willing to commit, you know, several years of your life to building something great and also be able to you know sacrifice quite a bit there's a lot of opportunity costs these days and if you're like a well well talented person so it was like kind of a last resort thing where it's like no one's going to build this thing i know how to do it and i'm probably the best person out there to go build this company i should do that company i should start that that's really what was the driving force for browser base and you're a solo founder that's a lot of stress startups are a lot of stress um we're really fortunate to be sponsored by Brex and Brex really is like the best partner for startups.

44:50And I'm not just saying that, but they also really stress on performance. And so like, how do you keep your mindset clear while you're building, while you're running and doing these really hard sprints and loops? Yeah. Well, I'm not a solo founder by choice necessarily. I try to get like three people to be my co-founder. They also know. So like, I think in the end that worked out for the better. And I I do really love being a solo founder, specifically because as a solo founder, you remove this alignment step within co-founders. We have several co-founders. Often the co-founders have to get aligned, and then you get aligned to the rest of the company.

45:25So when you're a solo founder, it's just you and the company in constant harmony. And if I feel like the company is not moving in alignment to me, I could have an all-hands meeting, and we could kind of realign. And our all-hands meetings kind of feel like megachurch vibes these days, you know? It's a lot of talking about the values and talking about the customer stories. And I think that really helps us stay in tune as a culture. In terms of taking care of myself, the most important thing is finding a great partner. And I'm very lucky. I just got married this year, so I'm still in the honeymoon phase.

45:54Congrats again. Yes, thank you. So I think as a solo founder, you have to have a person that's going to be there for you in the rest of your life and all the other things you have going on. I used to be super fit. I did an Ironman. I've run three marathons. That has gone out the window. I've never seen a series I found with a six pack. So I think it's something you have to sacrifice, you know. And I try and like do my best to, you know, get to the gym where I can. But in the end, my goal with the first year of Browsebase was to be obsessed. Like I want to be obsessed with the problem and sacrifice everything else to make this thing happen.

46:30And I think you have to make a lot of sacrifices to make that work. But if it starts working, the momentum is what fuels you to keep going. And post-series B, definitely trying to hire a little bit more, get a little more time back so I can maybe start to, like, eat a salad every once in a while and go for a run. Good. Working on it. You know. Get a protein shake. Yeah, get a David Barr, right? Yeah, you could. You could. I think David Barr uses Brex. Oh, there we go. So there we go. Double collab. Boom. I also, I can't help but notice Paul Klein. You are the fourth Paul Klein. Tell us about Paul Klein.

47:05Yeah. All of them. Well, you can think about Paul Klein, Dua Lipa's ex, the singer, actually, of Lanny. Or you can think of Paul Klein, Ohio family. And my grandfather is someone I really look up to. He started out, you know, as like going through school, night school, and grew to be, you know, this kind of like business executive working for a company called National Cash Register and then doing some turnaround exec stuff later on. and I think like we have it on easy mode these days starting businesses like I can go raise capital I can go you know hire people I can use the internet I think it's was so much harder to build great businesses in like the 80s and 90s and whenever I send him my investor update the guy has a very high bar recently I invited him to our series b party happening tonight and he was like hey this is great I appreciate it I'd rather only come to an IPO party so let me know when that happens and I'll come on by I was like oh crap okay we better better hustle up but I think that's just a great attitude of like, you know, the bar for companies is, it's much easier these days.

48:07And when you meet people who've been in the industry, and I think actually our board, Glenn Solomon is someone who has really has a lot of industry experience. Those are the people that can really help you connect with like, look at all the stuff you have to overcome in the future. And don't take it for granted that you can go raise capital and you have Brex to help you do your finances, right? Like the tool stack for modern founders is much simpler now, which means I could spend more time on product and customers and hiring than, you know, all the other admin stuff I may have had to do 20 years ago.

48:38As we wrap up, I love to go through two extra segments on future outlook. So I'd love to know what are you most looking forward to this year? What I'm most looking forward to this year. I am really looking forward to the things I can't predict, honestly. Like there's so much that's going to surprise me. I think there's going to be new model releases. And there's going to be like new companies that break out. Like who's going to beat cursor on the path to 100 million of ARR? I think there's so much surprise that happens in our industry. And I love that surprise. I love waking up to a big release.

49:13It's like, oh, wow, this is so exciting. So continuing to see the innovation is going to be pretty fun. And I don't know what's going to come, but I know it's going to be really cool. And it's going to push our technology forward quite a bit. Love that. Our final segment is with Calci. So we'll bring in a Calci market or two. And these will be on the theme of like, you know, AI and software and infrastructure and anything that we can pull. But with AI agents, I want to go back to like, I know, by the way, BrowserBase is not an AI agent company. It's infrastructure. But of the theme, so jobs are like one of the hottest topics.

49:49And whether or not people are going to have their jobs replaced, maybe BrowserBase ends up taking over some people's jobs. I don't know. But how high do you think unemployment will get this year? Well, first of all, I think it's not going to replace or augment. I think there's still going to need to be humans in the loop supervising. And if anything, I hope that the work that Browsebase does helps give people more leverage in the work they do. Instead of you doing the boring work, automate the boring work. Do the exciting work and spend more time doing the boring work faster. So I don't think it's going to replace all the jobs.

50:21The question is how high will unemployment get? Unemployment. Unemployment get. I know people have been saying some pretty crazy stats. I'm going to say a baseline 9%. I don't know where we're at right now. I think we're probably in the 8s. 9 is pretty high. I don't know what the baseline of employment is right now. Can I pull over and look at this? On Cal sheet, it has a forecast of 8.7, so you're pretty close. Oh, cool. Like, you're pretty close. Majority is shooting for above 5%, which is kind of a cop-out because it's pretty easy. I saw a stat yesterday at the Redpoint Infrared 100 Summit, which we are an infrared company.

50:58It was really fun. And apparently, and this is such a bummer because I'm a CS major, but new grad CS majors have a larger unemployment rate than art history majors. Really? In 2025, yeah. Who would have known? Art history, making a comeback. By the way, I went to college for art, so. This is your revenge art. I've pivoted quite fast, to be fair, but artists are coming to get you. Artists, you should learn to art. You should learn to art for sure. I mean, seeing that, I'd say like, yeah, you want high ROI on your gamble, right? So I'd go nine. Let's see what happens. For sure. I agree. I like to play the risky game.

51:36Okay, this one is like kind of spicy, but especially in SF, what do you think the best AI will be this month? I think it's Gemini. I think the DeepMind Lab has been doing a really fantastic job. I think it's really tough because I always see like these stats of like deep mind engineers leaving to go to places. But the team really did a great job. You know, we have early access to the Gemini computer use model at BrowserBase. And it's very, very good. I'm excited for the longer, the larger release of it in the future. But the Gemini team has really been doing a great job. So I'm going to bet on Gemini all day long.

52:10I don't care what the odds are. I'm doubling down. We just raised 40 million bucks. Put it all on Gemini. Put it all on Gemini. You're not alone. most of the CTOs and like engineers and more technical people that I talk to all are hot on Gemini for sure. Yeah. This one's a curve ball. Are you ready for this? I'm ready. Will a major meteor strike earth before 2030? Define what's defined major 10 kilotons TNT equivalent or greater. That seems kind of big. Sounds big. I'm going to go. No, I'm going to say no way though. I'm sure there's some data and there's some like space nerds that are saying actually we will have one.

52:51But my uninformed, optimistic opinion is no, we won't be struck by a meteor by 2030. Okay. What's the world saying? There's a 65 % chance. Oh, geez. We'll get to AGI and then immediately go back to the caveman days when we get hit by a meteor. That's a really high chance. Yeah, well, you know, maybe our AGI will be able to dodge the meteors. I would hope the AI can turn or deflect the meteor away from the earth. It sounds possible. Maybe if we all just yell at the meteor loud enough, it'll spin around. We should deploy some browser base to hit the meteor. Deploy some browser base. Yeah. The web browsers collectively will maybe make a DDoS attack and point it at the meteor.

53:39Yeah. You know what? If I have to, we'll raise a Series F and we'll ride the rocket out there and we'll face the media ourselves. Please, we're all hoping, waiting, counting on you. Do my best. Okay, Paul. Paul, it was amazing to have you on. Congrats again on the Series B. Yeah. I'm so excited for you and this was so fun. Thank you. Thanks for having me, Series B. Let's celebrate. Hey, it's Molly. If you enjoy our interviews, check out our newsletter, sorcery.vc, where we deliver a once a week top deals and tech headlines email and also go deeper on our podcast interviews. Subscribe to Sorcery today.

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