Did Big Daddy Kane just become a Tekken 8 guy?! (EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW)

37:03But everybody at home, we're going to get about here. We're going to take a quick break. Make sure you're checking out all the work from these dope folks and make sure you're going and supporting because Hip Hop is here to stay and Brother Kane is a living legend in the work that he has put out in the world. So until then, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Hey there. My name is Naomi and you might know me from internet things like hosting for IGN. I'd like to introduce you to my new show This Week in Gaming. It's 20 minutes, short and sweet, and every week I go through all the important gaming news that you need to know.

37:35And then we have folks on like Khalif Adams, who shows up quite often, talk about all the important news. And you get to listen to it wherever you get your podcast, so it's easy to find. Just look for This Week in Gaming and make sure to give it a follow. and every week Monday at 9 p.m. Pacific time, you get a brand new episode. I hope you'll join me. We are back from our ad break and what a fantastic interview with Big Daddy Kane. I gotta say like, man, who would have thought that Tekken 8 would have been the big discussion point in a discussion with a hip hop legend like Big Daddy Kane talking about his love for the game.

38:08We gotta get, hey, Bandai Namco folks, you now have heard it. He's a fan. He wants to get in the game. He wants to play with his son. if I can help to facilitate any of this so we can do some fun stuff with him, please let me know. I want to make that happen in the biggest ways. And again, what a cool project for him to be a part of in this HTC Viveverse, doing all this cool stuff and showcasing more of his legacy across many, many spaces. So massive love to him and his team. His son was fantastic and awesome. Anjanique was dope to come through and talk to us about the future of Viveverse in all those ways.

38:43and man who would have thought Khalif from the Bronx would have been hanging out with Big Daddy Kane basically 20 years later uh talking to him about his love of video games man I tell you uh video games are cool man you get a chance to do fun stuff like that uh speaking about cool things I want to talk about the 411 and talk about the game awards and all the goodies that were shown during the show and one very specific game that I think was the most interesting and has seemed to be the most controversial one of the bunch. So let's jump into the 411.

39:36first up on the 401 we're going to talk a little bit about the game awards and some of the goodies that were shown during the show uh jeff keely did his thing as usual i think a lot of folks who are coming off the back end of that show have said that this is the kind of best version of the show that we've seen for a long time. Timing was really, really good. Pacing was good. Pretty decent announcements in terms of what the show brought to the world for this year in 2025. I think for me as a person who has like really high expectations, I thought the show was okay. I would have given it like a seven if we were doing numerical grading on a show like this.

40:18For my personal needs, I always want really new. I want new IP. I want new games. I want new ideas. I want a lot of things that feel different in the space. And I think we did see some of that with some good teases for some new titles and some new folks coming back to the space, making different games. I think the consensus around Clear Obscure 33, bringing it home and bringing it and sweeping the awards was exactly what happened. They won, I think, nine awards for the night. You know, it was dope to see South of Midnight win an award as well in the kind of accessibility and impact space, which was dope for everyone who's a fan of that game and everybody who was rooting for them.

41:04But I think for me personally, I don't think there was a lot for me. If you were to ask me right now, like, what was my favorite game of the show? It has to be Control. Like, Control coming back and doing a very new take on the game that they have already built with Control Resonant. Which has this even kind of more melee focused kind of vibe to it. But the stage show, the stagecraft at the award show this year, I didn't go this year, but it was fantastic, at least the way it played on screen. Folks who I know who went to the show were like, man, this thing was real good. This was super dope on stage and in the room, which is great because that's always usually a problematic thing of how it plays in the room versus how it plays on stream.

41:57And I was really, really impressed with a lot of those pieces for sure. Um, Control Resonant was definitely my game of the show. Um, Syros was a close second, um, in terms of being excited for what we got a chance to see. I think there were some, I wouldn't say that they were duds. I just don't feel like for me at this point in my gaming career, seeing the names of some of those games, I'm excited to play them. But if you were to say, are you most excited to see the kind of continuation of those particular IP. I would say no. Like Tomb Raider Catalyst got an announcement and, you know, people were freaking out.

42:40You know, the grifters were freaking out about, you know, all her boobies out. That kind of stuff. Does she look like Angelina Jolie? That's the whole thing. The statue that got teased wind up definitely being Divinity, which I think was cool because I liked that trailer. That trailer was gory and gross and yucky and all the stuff that makes you want to kind kind of dig into the divinity world. We really got a good showing of resident evil. Leon got confirmed. And I think that was the best resident evil showing that, that you could have had in the, in the space. Cause that was really dope. Everyone, everyone freaked out about star Wars fate of the old Republic.

43:21I am not an old Republic KOTOR kind of person. I don't really care about star Wars as an IP. It's not really my jam. Like I love what they did with outlaws and I loved getting a chance to interview those folks. But as a thing that is there, even though Casey Hudson is doing it from Mass Effect fame, I don't really have vibes for Star Wars. I'm not a Star Wars dude. I'm not a Trekkie either in that way. I think Star Wars is kind of boring. I know people get mad at me all the time for saying that, but I don't really care about Star Wars. I think it's very, very boring. But I am excited that they're expanding that world.

43:58unless they can do something very special that actually makes me excited about what that looks like then i'll then i'll check it out in a real way mega man dual overdrive got got got some new love or got some love for the first time so that means that we're getting a new mega man game again that's old like it's a new game but it's an old ip i don't know if i care lego batman i'm not a big lego fan i get it but it's not really my jam the diablo expansion was very very cool and to have the ability to play the new class basically the the next night was really good i'm enjoying my time going back into diablo and playing with the paladin class which i think is really really fun that was really dope i i did like the street fighter trailer uh being shown for the first time and then having the whole cast on the stage kind of showcasing their stuff uh which was nice outside of Andrew Schultz.

44:51Boo that man in all of his work in all those spaces. There was also a Podrace, a game coming out of Star Wars. There was Phantom Blade Zero, finally got a release date. But I'm also off Souls likes at this point too. Like you have to do something very different for me to kind of give a shit about Souls likes at this point. Pragmata had a demo that got dropped the same night, which was great. because Pragmata is going to be really, really fun. I did like Gang of Dragons. That was a good trailer that I thought was very, very cool, brought something different to the table. I'm a big fan of that series, that kind of lineage of games.

45:37And it looked really good. Again, it looked like they were mashing up really high-fidelity gameplay graphics in a world that makes that make a lot of sense. So I'm excited for those things. There's a new D &D game called Warlock that's supposed to be coming through. Forest 3 got another glimpse at that game, which you're familiar with the Forest series. That's kind of one of those sci-fi, now sci-fi tech kind of scavenger-esque games. And Total War, Warhammer 40 ,000 announced from Creative Assembly. Shout out to the folks over at Creative Assembly. That looked very, very cool because I liked what they did in the trailer where they kind of expanded out.

46:24And you can see that this was more of you can see the RTS layers of it much better than you could before. I think that was was really, really cool. My other kind of hit that came through that thought was really, really cool was Lenny Kravitz is going to be in a 007 game. That's dope. I am biting at the, chopping at the bit, as they say, to interview the team from IO Interactive about their new game. Because that's a game I'm very hyped for to be able to go and check out and play more of it since we did that late last year. Before, there was some underwhelming kind of announcements as well. Ace Combat 8.

47:11I mean, I love flying combat, but again, it's Ace Combat. No Law looked very, very kind of generic. For Loop also looked very, very kind of generic. One of my favorite announcements during the show, though, was as a person who loves fighting games and is really excited for the Invincible Versus game, they announced a new character called Elemental, who is going to be voiced by one of my favorite rappers right now in Terrawack. You have no idea how much I stand for that moment when it happened during the show. I literally screamed and was like, yo, they got Tierra Whack for this joint? That's dope.

47:56I am so hype about that. She is brilliant. She is one of the dopest rappers out. And if you are not catching up on her work, you are missing out in a huge way. So I think, you know, in the grand scheme and in the show, Marvel Rivals is going to have Deadpool again. That's going to be cool and all and all that stuff. Laws of the Fallen was there, but Laws of the Fallen kind of fell off my radar after the developer got into Gamergate's pockets and was really excited about those folks. For him to be hyped about that didn't seem really, really, really dope at all. Stupid Never Dies is a game that really surprised me.

48:35That is an unknown quantity that I think is going to be very, very cool. At first, when I looked at it, I was like, I don't know if I like this art style. I don't know if I'm really vibing with it. and then they showed some gameplay and I was like, Ooh, okay. This looks pretty dope. Like this looks cool. Like I can rock with that in a, in a, in a real way. Like that looks like that might be fun. So that may be one thing. Uh, audio mech, uh, that is a, a shump that is based off of music that you play. So it generates enemies and, and, and things in the world based around, uh, what you're playing, which I love the folks from audio surf coming back with, with that and making that, um, a big, a big part of the game.

49:22Um, hit man, got some more goodies with world of assassin with Mila Yolovic, Yoyavich. I always, I can always Yovavich. I always get her name wrong. Uh, we'll be one of the new contracts in the game, which I think is going to be cool. We just saw Eminem do that as well. 2XKO got some more love. Soulframe made me go buy and get back into Warframe. So I redownloaded that. And lastly, the reason I've been playing this one specific video during this segment is because one of the things that I think is interesting from a idea perspective is always this discussion around, well, what was the last game that got shown during the TGAs?

50:18And for me, I always think that it's like, it can be very hit or miss in terms of what that means for, for the audience, what it means for covering the show, what it means for the ideas around like, what are you supposed to be kind of seeing during those moments? And what is that supposed to mean during the larger parts of the series for what the game is going to be? I think all of those pieces do mean something in a much broader way. I do think that that means a ton of different ideas are in there and a ton of different kind of understandings are in there from what that perspective looks like.

50:59Like, I think it's really interesting and important to have those kind of variations on those kinds of games in those spaces, too, because it winds up being something where you wind up then being able to showcase a ton of really smart, interesting games. You get a chance to showcase what potentially is the future of what those games are going to wind up being. And you get a chance to showcase, you know, what is the future of what the medium is supposed to be bringing to the table. and there was a really dope trailer for this new shooter called high guard in the game and man man man let me tell you how people lost their minds when that game came out or when that game was announced when that game got talked about i so there was a a tweet that was put out by paul tassi over at forbes um where he talked about the negative sentiment that is kind of coming through on the title on the, on the YouTube side.

52:00Like the ratio was very similar to what we saw on Concord about like how many people liked it versus didn't like it or thumbs it down or whatever on YouTube. So I responded to that thing and said, man, I really think this is a sad state of affairs because we are now in this space where we're now using YouTube likes as a, as a major kind of, or we're, we're, we're kind of looking at, um, community sentiment in almost the worst way to do it. Like, yes, if you're a person who's working on a game and you're like, man, I want to showcase, um, you know, all the stuff that's happening. I want to showcase, you know, to my higher ups, like maybe what we did in terms of our trailer was resonating with fans or wasn't resonating with fans so we can adjust and pivot and do all that kind of stuff.

52:52YouTube felt like it used to be a good canary in the coal mine for how your game was going to potentially be received by folks. Now in 2025, where we have everything being run by the algorithm, the internet being meaner than ever and being way less able to be nuanced about their ability to consume or understand what they're seeing and have good verbiage for what those feelings are. Like, again, you can look at a thing instantly and be like, I have vibes with me or that doesn't vibe with me. And that's fine. Like, no one begrudges you for doing that, because I think everybody builds opinions in those ways.

53:35But there was so much vitriol on my tweet about me saying, hey, we know that the internet is full of haters. We know that negativity is a driving factor on the internet. Hey, maybe if we think about that in the totality of what we talk about from an industry perspective, saying that on one hand, we don't want studios to close. And on the other hand, And we are like, well, we don't we're not even going to give games a chance to even be shown outside of their initial trailer and have that initial decision or that initial opinion be the driving main force behind whether a game gets any love, is able to grow in a community or even able to showcase what the game is trying to do.

54:31then we're in a bad spot as a gaming community. It's the same idea of like using SteamDB as the driving metric for understanding or saying that if your game is doing well, all of these things take context. All of these things are not in a bubble. All of these things actually do touch in the big Venn diagram of like success versus failure for games, studios, and all those things. Why are we fronting like that's not a real thing? We as people who are sharing our feelings and emotions and ideas around these games, I'm not saying that we have an obligation to nice it up when we see things aren't going well for a game.

55:13But I think that the idea of using that particular thing as the basis for at least a data point that is that important, knowing all of these other layers of what it what we see on the internet and we've seen it for across multiple games we've seen it through concord we saw we saw it through ghost of yotai we saw it through a south of midnight we see it all all the time now where games are almost being killed in their bed because of one bad trailer or not a bad trailer again this trailer isn't bad like this trailer to me was really interesting because it showcased a lot of different elements of what the game is trying to do it showcased the pedigree from those teams who are from the apex team and from uh i forgot the other name the other team that i was working with but like there's a reason why you mentioned those folks and now i mind you i think a lot of folks were mad because they were like oh from the folks who brought you apex and titanfall oh we're gonna get titanfall 3 I don't understand that reasoning at all.

56:24That makes no sense to me for people who are like, oh yeah, well, we were expecting Titanfall 3. I was like, did you not see how that game sold? The reason that game didn't get a sequel is because it didn't sell well. Mind you, it came out in between two other big games, but still, we always do this thing. We always armchair quarterback the idea around what is supposed to happen and then get mad when we don't get what we actually want, but then don't also support the thing when it's alive. It's very much to like give people flowers while they're alive. And then when people are, you know, giving them flowers where they're dead, everyone's like, oh, I missed them so much.

57:01They were the best person on the planet. I was like, yeah, but you could have done that when the game was out. And then maybe would have gotten a Titanfall 3 a long time ago, some years ago. Now, mind you, this game is coming out in January. January is going to be a really interesting space for them because there's going to be, it seems like a free-to-play game. and it feels like it's going to be something where, um, you know, having worked on a couple of games, I know that there's usually a marketing roadmap in which you are looking at, if we do a beta, when do we show like, do a gameplay run through or rundown of what that looks like, like to showcase what all of these elements are in this trailer and actually lay it out for players to be like, this is what this means in the world that we're building.

57:45But we haven't even gotten to a point now, or we've gotten to a point now where you don't even have time to do that anymore. Now, people are like, Keely shouldn't have ended the show with this because he hyped it up. And this is what, you know, from what the internet tells me, the most generic game on the planet. This is Concord 2. This is, you know, some generic UE5 thing. And I was like, none of you have enough information to make that delineation about this game, about if the game is good. Does the gameplay feel interesting? If you're just boiling everything down to the aesthetic, then there's a lot of games that aren't that interesting aesthetically.

58:25Ark Raiders is not an interesting looking game aesthetically. The lighting in that game is beautiful. The way that the AI works in that game is fantastic. But if you just look at it, it is not that interesting of a game to look at. It's not pretty. It's nice looking. It has dope elements that if you put all the aesthetic together, flushes out the world. But if you were to just give me some stills from that game and you just gave me a quick two minute trailer of you just walking around in that world, it looks like every other open world kind of game in that respect. So I feel like there's a little bit of a bull snack in the world when people are like, oh, well, this game looks so generic and all this stuff and all this thing.

59:09I had somebody roll up and be like, I can't play this game because the one character who they showcased in the beginning of the trailer had a side shave with a part in it. And that looks like every other woke character ever in the world. Like, I don't, I feel like we are really in this, in this spot where I'm not going to say people are spoiled, but like design is very, very different. different. Like I remember the same idea coming across Marathon. Now, mind you, Marathon has had some issues in terms of the art being used and who was being, who was using it, you know, factions of that conversation to being around, you know, discussion around AI, all that stuff.

59:54But at the base of that game, it had a strong and still does have a very strong visual aesthetic. We're going to be talking a little bit about Marathon after this segment. But like this game has so many cool things and interesting things that are kind of coming across it. the biggest thing that kind of bubbled up from the discussion online was that this didn't feel new Khalif why do you think this is new why do you say that this is the most this is the most interesting game of the show one because it showed new things it's a new game it's a new IP it's trying something different even if pieces of that game and that aesthetic and some of the movement and some of the powers and abilities look like things from other games I'm sorry kids there are no new ideas under the sun.

1:00:41If you were to look at one of your favorite games that have come out in the past two years, I will bet you if you go back 10 years, there will be another game that used something similar, an idea, a framework, a visual aesthetic, because we are consistently in the gaming industry learning from our past production and also trying to learn from our past mistakes in lots of different ways. You're trying to consistently refine things so that you can get this really good nugget of video gameness. So you can build something really interesting for players. And it just bothers me that we are now at this space where you can't even look at things and enjoy them now.

1:01:22You can't even be curious now in the space that we live in right now. being curious or even saying hey maybe if we take a step back and give it time to actually cook and experience it and consume it and then make a decision on if you don't like it is a thing to get you raked over the coals online we are such babies it's so weird to see so many folks get this mad and again it's a social media post it's on Twitter of all places. There are reasonable people out in the world who look at those conversations and don't give a shit. There are people like me who are terminally online and do it for their job, where you look at that stuff and you pray for the universe to be like, when did we get this way?

1:02:11Like, when did this become the vibe? When did this become the way that people just respond to regular things that happen on a consistent and continuous basis in a space that you again should be trying to enjoy the amount of mad that has come out of this trailer being the last trailer for this game. Just one puts the game awards in the damned if you do, damned if you do scenario. Because, again, if you think about the way the game awards works, you pay a certain amount of money for a game that Jeff thinks is really interesting and that puts in the show. And if he has a connection to those folks, or if he's looking at it and being like, ooh, that's really interesting.

1:02:56Ooh, that's coming out pretty soon. That can be a really good thing that really bubbles up some dope sentiment across the game and also gives our show a little bit of pop to make people want to watch it. That's the reason why this trailer got into that show. He has a discerning viewpoint on what gets in and what doesn't get into the show. I'm sure a lot of that is based on budget. I'm sure a lot of that is based on timing. I'm sure a lot of that is based on you know how does it fit in the rest of the show because a lot of people were like oh well if this wasn't the last thing in the show then it wouldn't be getting so much heat and I look at the stuff that got shown this year I don't see anything else that's the back half of that show outside of Star Wars maybe or Control maybe that would have gotten a much bigger round of applause or any round of applause based on the way that the conversation has gone now.

1:03:55I think that's a little bit of crap. Like, I don't believe it. Like, I don't. Like, I don't. The thing I keep coming back to is the fact that when we have these discussions online is when you ask people about, like, well, what was the thing that, what would you put in its place? Or when I ask, like, okay, cool. You think this thing is generic and doesn't do anything new. What's the last game you played that did something entirely new that didn't have any mechanics, any new ideas that any, any new ideas that we've never seen before that has been incorporated into the game that you like right now that is being played.

1:04:28And every time I ask that question, I get crickets because people don't have answers for it and they can't answer it because they don't have answers for it because they know I'm right. And they know that again, there is nothing new under the sun. That doesn't mean that's bad. We're all tweaking things to get to new spaces to be able to make new things so that we have interesting ideas to play with so like why front you don't have to front about that stuff just admit it and be like yo i didn't like the aesthetic because of xyz or the idea that like the hero shooter genre is oversaturated which i also think is garbage i think that's a that's a i think that's a bad argument.

1:05:12Because there are some genres that are infinitely more oversaturated than the hero shooter space. You can say, you can articulate that and be like, oh, well, the shooter space hasn't been great because there's been two or three games that are kind of bubbled up to the top and people don't want to move off of those. Like, Marvel Rivals is really only good because of the Marvel IP. Overwatch is still a good game, even if people are mad at the way that they monetized it. so like 2 out of 3? 2 games? maybe 3? maybe 4? maybe 4? while you have 1700 souls likes and you have a whole bunch of other stuff that's in the mix that's been in that space for a long time we have even more battle royales and more extraction shooters than we have hero shooters at this point so like, are we getting close to it?

1:06:06in terms of when marathon drops and when this other stuff drops. So like, I feel like the internet is full of crap and I feel like they are lying. And I think high ground looks very, very cool. I think the aesthetic looks dope. I think there's lots of things that you can play with from a visual standpoint. You know, I'm hearing more conversations that there's a little bit of MOBA stuff in here. I love the fact that there's like this end game moment where you got this big ass tank that comes through and is trying to break through the line or whatever it may look like. There looks like there are some interesting stuff stuff in this game that we've instantly said is trash because we've let the internet be mad about everything all the time without actual words or understanding of how to describe what they're feeling so a lot of pampers being filled these weeks man a lot of pampers a lot of pampers anyway excited to see the game awards next year excited to see if we can bring the spawnies back I think there's a lot of stuff there but man the pampers are full these days the pampers are full.

1:07:08Which brings me to the last story of the show, which is all about a game that I am so excited for. The folks over at Bungie just dropped a new vid doc for Marathon. And I have to say, I've been on Team Marathon as opposed to Arc Raiders for a long time. I think Arc Raiders is okay, but I also don't think it's that fun. But Marathon to me is the game. The pedigree is there. The visual aesthetic is there. The atmosphere is there. They did a lot of stuff in this bit doc that talked about, you know, adding things that people are asking for solos, proximity chat, you know, kind of expanding on the world a little bit more, giving you more kind of visuals to play around with and in more spaces to do cool stuff.

1:07:56That game is going to be cool. I'm excited for that game. They just talked about it also being$40, which I guess, again, if you're looking at the current state of the world and looking at the current space in terms of, you know, what do we get from a$40 game these days? Like, I think that's going to be, you know, really cool to see what that means.

1:08:19It'll be really dope to see how that plays itself out in the grand scheme of everything that we wind up seeing. But, you know, I think the idea still is like, do these, you know, they're not going to go free to play does this now give them more space to kind of fight in that in that 40 realm while people are still fussing about that while also again buying a game that just came out that is 40 bucks that has less of an aesthetic but still being like this game doesn't look good i don't again i don't understand it i don't understand it what i do know is i am all in on this game now this was the vid doc that i wanted to see this was the moment that i wanted to see them talk about all the world building stuff, doing the things about talking about how you're kind of encroaching in these spaces and thinking about what you're looking to do while you're on your runs, giving you that space and thinking about the kind of risk reward that you have and talking about the various maps that are going to be kind of, you know, ramping up what you think you'll be able to get out of those spaces and what that looks like.

1:09:25Man, this game is going to be dope. Like, I really do think that they have something special here. But again, it always winds up coming back to does the actual audience want it? And does the actual audience feel like it has legs? And does it really feel like it's going to give it a chance to be able to grow? Again, we're in this space where there's an oversaturation of games and there's not enough time and there's not enough stuff. But I do hope that at the end of the day, they find a core audience that can help them continue to make this game what they want it to be. Because every time I look at it, and especially after watching this vid doc, I get amazingly excited.

1:10:03Because when I played that alpha, that was the most fun I had in those couple of weeks. That game was good. Even in the version that they had that people were mad at. I was like, yo, I don't know what y 'all are talking about. I'm having fun. Like, yes, of course. But again, in alpha, you don't expect there to be everything that you want in it. And you expect there to be things that are wrong. and you expect it to be a kind of condensed version of the experience in that space. And people, again, I feel like the, you know, in the ways that we talk about reading comprehension being really low, we, the comprehension and kind of understanding of like what you're supposed to get during, you know, these marketing beats and during these moments, during the point of when games are kind of going through their initial life cycle of, let me do an introduction.

1:10:49Let me tell you what the game is. Let me show you what it is a little bit more down the line. And if we have time for a beta or an alpha, let's put those things out into the world. So you have even more time to play it. So you get a better understanding of like what the game is trying to offer and what the loop is. We have just gotten so impatient with everything that you can't even do those things now without everyone telling you your game is dead before you've even launched. Which again, does nothing for the industry and it does nothing for the consumer. it does nothing for you as a player like even if you just let the game come out and then don't buy it that does much more than killing it before it actually gets a chance to live because you then get exactly what you just complained about you get more of the same, you get people not trying harder not trying harder, but you get people taking less risk and you get the same games over again we've talked about this on multiple shows over this past year and over the past two years so again you you you uh you get what you wish for and if you wish for not a lot more not a lot of new stuff you're going to get a lot of not new stuff you're going to get a lot of very similar similar experiences and then you have the consolidation in the game space would you have more uh teams kind of growing together like the conversations we've seen out of the ea space about what they're looking to do and a lot of other discussions around that like okay again you did the fries in the bag conversation comes back and it bites people in the ass because you do have those offshoots of a clear obscure 33 coming out of nowhere and building something beautiful and brilliant and award-winning in those ways you have something smaller from a smaller company like compulsion come out with south of midnight with some of those things you have those one-off moments when a game like Bellatro comes out and takes the world by storm, but those are rare.

1:12:47Most games are going to be double or triple A games that are really going to be the ones that take over most of your time. Like Arc Raiders is a double A game. You know, it caught fire because enough streamers liked it and it had enough of a hook for the AI of that game to really bust you in your ass for it to make it feel fun so like again we we are we are playing in really interesting waters by by by letting the the again giving the internet it say in the way that we know is not necessarily great all the time and mind you again i'm saying this and i say this over and over and over again i don't mind people having uh opposing opinions if you don't like a thing that's totally fine whatever reasons you don't like those things are fine.

1:13:34But it doesn't mean that that sentiment should be the driving sentiment. And does it mean that we should over index on that one sentiment? Because the internet is loud. That's all I'm saying. Anywho, we had a very good episode with Oh my god, we just had Big Daddy Kane on our show. I can't believe I just said that out loud. That's wild. So huge shout out to him and his team again. And a huge shout out to everybody who worked on the Game Awards this year. Massive shout out to everyone in the PR space who really did the work this year and made this industry's year sing in so many ways that we hadn't seen before.

1:14:17Lots of really standout games that came out this year in a lot of different ways. so man if this is what 2025 was and 2026 is just around the corner with there being a ton of new stuff coming that we've seen and and still unannounced 2026 is going to be a really good year too i think we're going to have a really wild three-year run in terms of really dope games out in the world uh for everybody else out there to see and to play so with that said we're going to get about it here for this episode of spawn of me episode 562 of the show thank you again for listening to the show, wherever you may reside, please go check us out on Apple Podcasts and Spotify for video versions.

1:14:55YouTube will also be up there as well. And yeah, we have another dope episode. We have a conversation with our friends over at WowCube and Rubix coming out this week as well towards the end of the week, where we show off this new device that is a part of the RubixQ family. And it was a really fun interview with them as well. So until then, wash your hands, watch but be safe out there think for your goddamn self and uh we'll see you in the next episode much and peace