The Psychology of Seats: How To Boost Your Impact & Influence At Work

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0:29Today, Sarah, we are talking about the psychology of seats. How do you want to come across in whatever situation you're in? I want to be collaborative. I want to be a leader. I want to be creative. Choose your seating with that intention in mind. If there is a meeting that you want to have more influence in, get there early so you can choose where you sit. I definitely do this. You know, I wasn't like the first in the room. I actually didn't want to be at the end towards the head of the table. I didn't want to be the other end either. I think I felt more ready to contribute, like more active, more in it.

1:05There are two sides of the seat. So there is where are you choosing to sit? And then I think the other side of the seat is you looking at where other people are choosing to sit and how that might influence how you engage them. Hi, I'm Sarah. And I'm Helen. And this is the Squiggly Careers podcast. Every week we borrow some brilliance from a person, a place, an object. It goes in all sorts of different directions. And we turn that curiosity into some actions that we hope are then really useful to help all of us succeed in a squiggly career. and Helen is in charge of this week's Borrow Brilliance and she is going to have to work hard to convince me how we make this useful team.

1:52So let's see. Let's give her that challenge and see how we get on. Helen, what are we going to be talking about? I've got a prop, which is only going to be relevant if you are watching the podcast on YouTube. Of course I've got a prop. Because today, Sarah, we are talking about the psychology of seats. I wish everyone that was listening could see this now. So you've got a tiny Sylvainian family seat. Yeah, I bought this on purpose. It also doubles up as a phone stand. So it's not a waste of money, Sarah. There you go. I actually thought you were joking when you said about this as a topic originally.

2:23Oh, Sarah thought I was joking about the psychology of seats. Well, look, anybody who wants to see My Little Seat, I'm going to put it as a social picture to promote this podcast. So feel free to check that out. And to Sarah's point, are you joking that we're going to talk about seats? When we decided to change the podcast, we did say it could be about somewhere, someone or something. And I've just gone with that brief. And I will tell you where this idea came from. I was speaking at an event a couple of weeks ago. And I got there early and I was chatting to one of the other speakers. And most people were outside, like most of the attendees, they're all outside grabbing coffee.

3:00but a couple of people had come into the room and had taken their seat and I was like oh it's quite interesting like maybe it's because they've got some emails and the person I was talking to his name is Rick he's really really really nice guy runs a good company that um called Learning Cog who do all the like the color assessments and things and he said oh there's something really interesting about seat psychology like a lot of people will sit down early at an event because it's it's safe it's safe for them because actually going and talking to strangers is quite scary but taking your seat is a way that they feel in control and he also said oh there's research on where people sit is also an insight into kind of what matters to them so for example like people might sit in a corner because they get more chance to observe or they might sit at the front because they they are particularly passionate or they want to engage and it just it just got me thinking about the psychology of seating and how this doesn't just apply to big events but actually we are on seats quite a lot at work and what if where we sit and how we sit has a bigger impact than we might always think about that is the question that I went off on well what are your initial thoughts sorry um croaky even thinking about it um so I did think oh actually if I go into a big event I can I can connect with that like the thought I would definitely be thoughtful thoughtful and intentional about where I wanted to sit and sometimes um you know almost to make myself be really present and in it I will go and sit like center front middle you know when you're like I am like you said I really want to be engaged in this I sort of don't want to give myself any excuses to not be or like you know you don't want to get distracted by your phone or whatever so I almost feel like that's the um you know where you sat at school type thing was like that's me being like good I'm like gonna be good and I'm gonna learn and that's what I'm here for I am definitely also an escape seater so I did read I would say I did read I did read your notes and you know like sitting at the side where you can escape whether that's like escape because you need to leave or just the ability to escape should I choose I think I find that quite um reassuring you know if I'm a bit unsure or um or maybe I do just genuinely have to have to leave I I almost think I'm one or the other I'm either like so in it or I think I'm an escape seater so I was like okay I mean I did then struggle with going how is that then useful for me bear with me well that's okay that's a fair question bear with me um before I go into it And I would say my two, I don't know if it's caveats, but my two things to be aware of are, I think there are both practical and psychological implications of where you sit.

5:57So practically, if there's only one seat in the room, and that's where you're going to sit, right? Or maybe I've forgotten my glasses, and so I need to sit at the front so I can see. That's a practical consideration. I'm just putting the practical things to one side. And I'm just focusing on what I've learned about the psychology of seats. That's my first thing. and my second thing is I think there are you know you talk about two sides of a coin I think there are two sides of the seat so there is where are you choosing to sit and how might that influence your impact or engagement and then I think the other side of the seat is you looking at where other people are choosing to sit and how that might influence how you engage them so I think you can look at this from either just yourself or from other people.

6:44And so I have chosen three different seating situations, we'll call it that, that I was just going to share some insights that I've got. One of them is kind of events. I think we've talked about a few of those already. The second one is face-to-face, like in-person meetings at work, which I think, you know, still happen, still have kind of lots of those, lots of people going back into the office. So I And I've also thought about virtual meetings. So how your seating influences your impact and how you can play with some of the psychology of seating. So we'll do that. And then I've got three. How do we take that slightly random chat about where you sit and turn it into something that is hopefully a little bit useful for you and the people you work with, too?

7:29So we'll do three seating situations and then three potential seating. So what's that's my plan. OK. Okay. So I think we've talked about the large events one a little bit in the kind of setup, really. But it is useful to, if you're thinking about how engaged you want to be in a large event, like a conference, I suppose this is for a lot of people, just be aware of, are you kind of sitting down for safety? So I was actually, and I know this, and I was at an event this week. And I thought, I just walked into the room and I walked straight into like the drinks bit. And so it was a lot of people. It was quite noisy.

8:10I thought, oh, deep breath, I'm going to have to do the, hi, I'm Helen thing. And I'm an extrovert. And so I did think about, I might just go into the room early and sit down. And I was like, oh, no, that's a seating for safety thing. You're doing that because you shouldn't. But surely that's okay sometimes. Well, it is. But I think just be aware that if the purpose of me being there was to meet other people and build my network and kind of be present. I mean, I wasn't staying for the end, but I had to get home because I had like some like things to do child wise. And so I thought this is my only moment.

8:46So if I opt out of this moment and go sit on a safe seat, I'd miss the moment. but I could feel my I guess I guess because I've been doing the research for this episode I was just a bit more self-aware of it and I was like oh that's that's what you're doing you're going in there because that is a safer thing to do than actually talk to some people that you might not know and kind of make make that like extra bit of effort in this I'm just thinking about I did something really similar and I could not wait to sit down but I turned up to this I turned up to this event which I was hosting a table and it was so noisy you know like the bit outside with like the drinks but and it was really really noisy so I could barely hear what anyone was saying so I find that quite rude like you know I can't I can't connect with somebody properly because I can't I can't hear like it may sound like a right granny but I just I just and I find it really overwhelming anyway I'm like I'm overwhelmed and I can't hear um and I feel bad because I don't want to not be able to hear what people are saying properly and I was literally just like as soon as they were starting you know to try and prompt people to sit down I was like literally first in line i was like to everyone who was on my table i was like come on everyone let's all let's let's all go and sit down i was like the relief i felt once i could sit down i was like oh god that's better um because i think the other thing around when you just described is which i think people sometimes underestimate is just how many people turn up to those things already knowing people and so i think if you are the person and i i knew some people at that thing but also i got a group of people that i didn't know very well i think if you do turn up and you you're by yourself and you don't know people it is really hard in that moment isn't it to be like i'm just going to go and sit with loads of people i don't know i'm just going to talk to people i don't know so you can really see why people are like actually that's so hard to do i'd be better off just going to sit down and then maybe i'll kind of chat to people then but yeah really reminded me i i was literally counting down the seconds please let me sit down any seat will do in this scenario any seat will do but maybe it's uh i'm trying to do some more alliteration you You can have some, it's a seat signal or you can have some seat sympathy.

10:49When you see someone who's done that, I mean, obviously if someone's on their phone and they might be trying to get some work done, that could be, you know, back to there are practical considerations why someone might have gone in early, they've got an email to do. But for a lot of people, it might be because they feel quite awkward and they've made the effort to be there, but it doesn't feel particularly comfortable. But you could potentially put them at ease by saying, oh, hi, do you mind if I sit with you? I would actually do that. and then you could then you suddenly strike up a conversation with somebody and then that's where i think once you understand this you have a bit more empathy for other people who might might be doing that because it's not you know it's quite it's quite a difficult thing for them to do um similarly the watch out for like as we talked about the exit seat so the people who are quite close to the back who are trying to make an easy escape again there could be a practical reason because they do need to leave early or it could be because they're feeling uncomfortable and also So apparently like people sit in packs, like trying to look out if you're because it's safety.

11:45So they'll sit in a pack of people that they might they might know when you go to an event. So finding ways if you're the person who's like organizing the event or talking, finding ways to sort of like separate the pack can be quite powerful because packs can make people who've come on their own feel more left out. Yeah. So you know when you do turn to someone you've not talked to before or we're going to move you around, that kind of thing can get away from packs feeling quite intimidating for people who are on their own. Yeah, that's interesting because we have an event coming up in about a month's time where quite a few people will come with somebody they know from their organization.

12:20So there'll be lots of duos actually, probably not loads more than that. So pairs rather than packs. But we will also have probably 50 % of people will probably come in pairs. 50 % of people will come by themselves and probably won't know anyone else in the room, maybe one person. And so actually we might want to think a bit about, because if you're going as a pair, you're going to sit as a pair. Who doesn't do that? But then we might just want to think about, like, do we split up those pairs at some point? Or how do we get people talking to all of those other people who are there? Turn around a different seat.

12:54You know when you're in an event, if it's a large event, often you've got a lot of seats, right? And so it's not that easy for people to move around. So even just getting them to kind of turn to the seat behind them or not to, oh, I'm coming on to standing up. I'm coming on to standing up. Hold that thought. Hold that thought. Okay, so that's just some insights about the psychology of seating in large events, which I thought was quite interesting. In face-to-face meetings, so imagine we're in the office, we're having, I don't know, we're having a team meeting or a project meeting. and some interesting insights here.

13:24So there are power seats, particularly on like rectangular tables. So the end seat. The head of the table. The head of the table seat is a power seat. So it's quite interesting to see who automatically sits in that seat or if you want to have a power, are you going to go proactively sit in the seat? I know, but that is a power seat where you have a lot of influence in the conversation. What makes it even more interesting is it's even more powerful if that end of the head of the table is against a wall. So imagine you've got, you're in a room, imagine it's a rectangular table. One end of the table is up against a solid wall.

14:06The other one is near a door. So every time someone comes in, they're like, just don't sit next to the door. So because that's quite distracting, you lose your power because people are kind of coming in and out and they're going to the bar. The most powerful position is the end of a table against a wall, which I thought was interesting to see who automatically takes that position. Like it's a bit of a signal, perhaps, of what they're trying to do. But also you could, if you want to have that presence and power, you could intentionally, because you're meeting, you could potentially choose that seat.

14:40I remember once when I was on a course and they said, you know, if there is a meeting that you want to have more influence in, get there early so you can choose where you sit. And you're choosing it with that position in mind. If you're late, you lose choice. And that means that you may have less influence of something you're trying to do. Oh, that's interesting.

15:03Roundtables, take that away. So if you, let's say you want to have like a really collaborative conversation. with your team where you want to make sure everybody feels involved and equal if you have got a choice in your office of what room you have that conversation in choose a room with a round table because it reduces i don't see that many round tables i know i don't reckon there are that many i'm just thinking about all the companies we spend time with well we could hire rooms so we we you know we there's a site we use sometimes called hubble where you can literally choose the room that you want to do your meeting and like for lots of different sites so we could we hire different rooms so we could choose it with that in mind um at microsoft there would have been some rooms which my last kind of corporate place there would have been some rooms with round tables i don't think i had any it's just interesting you know often we just book a room and don't even think about it and sit without even thinking about it actually because your seat influences your impact in a conversation and it impacts the type of discussion that can happen we might just want to be a bit more conscious about that where where we can where we can make that make that choice and also even if you if you want to think about your impact so if you want if you want to lead a discussion get the head of the table seat if you want to be a collaborator in a conversation you want to sit middle of the table so if you can't get a round table but you want to play that mediator collaborator role you want to sit in the middle of of that table because that then gives you more options to bring people in.

16:35So again, it's thinking, what impact do I want? And where, how does that influence where I choose to sit? That's where I think I choose to sit. I was just thinking about the last board, the board meeting I was in for, not for our company, for a non-executive role that I have. And I was thinking, okay, that was recent enough that I can remember where I sat. And I just about chose my seat. You know, it wasn't like the first in the room, but early enough, I had some choice. And the chair did sit at the head of the head of the table. um the chief exec next next door um and I sat in the middle I was like I don't I don't want to be at the end you know I didn't want to be I actually didn't want to be at the end towards the head of the table I didn't want to be the other end either quite a big table I was like also I'm quite small you know like I was like well I think I think I just felt I think I'd feel really far away not as involved in the conversation I think there is when you start to think about the issue like there's a bit about uh how it just makes you feel so I think by me sitting in the middle of that tape I think I felt more ready to contribute like more active more in it in terms of conversation also my first board meeting so I was like right you know really want to be present and I want to make sure I'm really listening I want to be able to see everybody and I couldn't yeah you know rather than sometimes you're like looking down and I can't quite see and I was like oh I can really I can see everybody really I've got good like visibility so I think it probably did give me more confidence in that meeting I then wonder whether if I'm thinking about other meetings I'm in where I'm really confident I know if I'm really well already and I'm not as worried about my impact maybe I've already established my impact I'm was I don't I don't think I mind as much maybe you have to be intentional yeah yeah three more things on in-person meetings like you were like is there enough to talk about there's loads yeah turns out there is flanker seats I like this So let's say there's a power person.

18:24This starts to feel like an army thing. It does. Maybe it's the wrong language. But basically sitting next to, if there is a person who is like leading the meeting and they're at the head of the table, then actually being next to them can automatically influence your impact to the meeting. So you might want to choose to do that. You borrow a bit from them. So you choose the seat that is next to that person who's kind of in the power seat. And the other thing, this is my random story, is the height of your seat. I think I talked about this before. But it's because I have a very embarrassing memory of it, which is I went on a leadership course where I was in a negotiation role play with about eight other people.

19:04And it was filmed. And afterwards, they played the film back and you were asked to kind of critique everyone's contribution. And what we realized when we played it back was they had intentionally lowered one of the seats. so like seven of the seats were pie normal pie and one of the seats that I happened to sit on was purposely low and you could really see that I it was hard for me to engage in the conversation because I was literally having to lean forward and everybody else had not the upper hand but the upper seat and so it was harder for me so I just think about not just where you're sitting but also like the height of your seat can impact how you can come across in meetings and you mentioned standing meetings so no seat meetings um have been shown first of all to be shorter um because people don't like standings for as long and people are more um there's more energy in those meetings and people are a bit more open so if you want an idea z you know in terms of if you want a meeting where people are idea z perhaps not doing it in the table with the you know room with the rectangular table where you always sit and do your team meeting but actually say we're going to have a no seat meeting and it's going to last for 20 minutes because we want to talk about some new ideas for the podcast that that has an impact on people's psychology how they show up in the meeting yeah I think no seat meetings are a good idea actually even and they're going to talk about virtually next but I'm like you could still do that virtually so I was just thinking a lot of our meetings are virtual with our team but actually there's no reason why you don't stand up you just don't because you just don't like nobody does but I think about um Kath Bishop friend of the podcast um author of the long wind if you ever talk to Kath she's usually standing up she just you know she has um she has a standing up desk I think or one of those ones that moves but I you can just tell I can just tell that she's standing up and I'm like oh so she's like an Olympian and like fit and really thinks about her energy and yeah she has a real kind of quiet calm credibility catheters and she's obviously made a very conscious choice that because she like us would do quite a lot of delivery and like learning delivery she obviously does all of that standing up and sometimes she'll then have meetings standing up as well so I'm like well she's obviously really thought about that because that doesn't just happen right you have to have the right desk and all of that kind of stuff but there's nothing stopping you doing it as like a one-off thing you know it's just like an experiment couldn't you we could stand up at the end of the week oh my gosh maybe that could be an experiment a stand-up I can't imagine you wanting to do that would you want to do that i've got you know what i've got a stand-up desk i only sit down at i knew that actually i knew you've got like one you were like i'm gonna get one i'm like but you never start but i do move it up and down while i'm sitting because that links to the next point which is a seating segue i mean i'm loving this i'm loving this too much is virtual meetings so um the point here is how does your seat impact how you come across in virtual meetings?

22:10What's the potential relationship there between the seat and psychology in virtual meetings? So it's really what you're positioning on a screen. So when I was looking at this, it said that kind of where your face and head is on a screen in a virtual meeting can impact somebody else's perception of you. So the ideal is for sort of for visibility and credibility and connection the idea is probably unsurprisingly you're kind of in you're in the middle people can see your full face but they can also see your shoulders and a little bit of your chest because it makes you look a bit more open so you know if you're just seeing a bit of my face a bit too intense i'm doing things now that you will only presumably yeah i'm demonstrating some of these things that you'd have to watch on youtube to be able to see but like for everyone that's listening ideal is you're in you're in shot in the camera because your seat's an appropriate height where chest body face and if you are too high so if i'm up here um it is actually supposed to be quite intimidating because it looks like i'm looking down at everybody else so if your head is too high it looks like you're looking down you just look like you haven't got a forehead

23:26it's just confusing i'm just like why can i only see her eyes if you want to laugh at me and Sarah's confused face. You did look ridiculous. But also, if you are, if you are, so if I'm sitting down low and I'm looking up at you, it looks less confident. So what you kind of want to do, and you can do this either way is right. You can either do it by the height of your seat or what seat you're choosing, or it could be about the height of the desk really. But I think it's just interesting that the way you are sitting in a virtual meeting, because all someone is really seeing is you, it's almost got more influence because it's just me on camera that you are looking at where how you're sitting and therefore how what people are seeing almost influences their perception of you and your engagement more.

24:11And I've been watching, I've been secretly observing, which is one of my actions that I'm coming to come on to in a minute. I've been looking at our team a little bit and about how they've been sitting on screens. They don't know, they don't need to know. I've been screenshotting. Secretly critics. I was going to talk about inclusion in a moment, but now like maybe not well I haven't shared my feedback on it yet but I was thinking oh how does that that way that they are sitting influence their impact in this conversation and I think obviously please don't go critique other people everybody I was just doing it because I was reflecting on the podcast I think critique yourself is the point um yeah so they were so my insights and I've turned those insights into three seats so what's would you like me to share these let's do it okay so the first seat so what from all the things that we just chatted about with seats is I think you have to reflect on how do you want to come across in whatever situation you're in.

25:07So whether that is an event, an in-person meeting, a virtual meeting, I think you want to be intentional about how you want to come across. So I want to be collaborative. I want to be a leader. I want to be creative, whatever that is. And then choose your seating with that intention in mind so creative standing up collaborative head to the middle leading look for the power seat that kind of a thing like make conscious choices depending on the impact you want to have where where that is possible um i would also say given that i think a lot of people are spending time on virtual meetings sort out your setup for that because i think a lot of people just join and we're in you're in lots of meetings we're not even thinking about it but all it takes is like maybe 10 seconds you know like on I was on teams earlier and before I joined the meeting I could see my camera I was going to join a meeting with lots of other people and I just sorted my setup I could see myself and I with this in mind I just sort of moved myself and got ready and then I joined so I joined with the impact that I wanted to have rather than in a room where I'm then you know you're kind of faffing about where other people can see so I think maybe join slowly so that you have kind of more impact when you arrive and kind of sort your seating out, particularly with virtual meetings.

26:26And my third one is to observe other people, which might come up to your point on inclusion. Not in a nasty way, but I just think it's interesting to see. It's when you say not in a nasty way, I'm like, well, that's a worry. It's just to kind of go, oh, it's interesting that that person's chosen that seat in a meeting, you know, like in an in-person meeting. okay let's see what happens next are they are they intentionally doing that because they really want to lead this conversation or like we said with empathy look at where someone has chosen to sit maybe in a room if they've gone to for a safe seat early maybe you could offer them support by being a friendly person who sits next to them so I think when you become a little bit more conscious that it might not just be a practical consideration for where people sit you you know you just have a little bit more insight and you can choose what you want to do with that for yourself and for the people that you work with yeah it's interesting I think there are a few other thoughts a loads of people you can't see where they sit so people turn their cameras off so I was thinking about um I'm doing lots of sessions this week for a very big technology company and what was interesting this morning something was weird about the setup of the meeting so every other day it's um I see myself big and then I see what I'm drawing for the workshop big but for some reason today I could see every I could see everyone nothing had changed but I could see everyone and so 50 % of people have their cameras off so I can't see anything so I'm like I get I get no data but then suddenly I could see 50 % of people as I was delivering the learning which normally you can't really because everybody's like so tiny and there are so many people and actually I could I can I can remember from this morning um i could see people nodding along i could see people taking notes i could actually see people really engaged so the people who obviously have chosen to have their camera on are probably maybe the most likely to be engaged because they're happy to have their camera on right and i could i can see that they're kind of all in it though i also had to try hard not to get distracted by you know if you see someone frowning like i frown when i concentrate but i'm like but are they frowning because they don't understand or i saw like one person really lean back you know like really relaxed like basically relaxed me back and i was like about a comfy seat but that has an impact on how they come across yeah or you know like you can so i think you have to be a bit careful not to like second guess but i was like oh it's interesting the whole with so many virtual meetings you often can't see how people are showing up and i think that's an interesting choice like being on camera non-camera like what what feels right for you and i was thinking there is sort of a like an inclusion point that is is obviously seats seats of kind of much much smaller than like inclusion but I was thinking about you know the idea of almost not letting power dynamics kind of get in the way of everyone being able to contribute so you know your thing of like you can move people you can disrupt power dynamics right by moving people around by actually saying oh Sarah do you want to do you want to go here because actually you're you're leading the meeting so you could create the space and give people the prompt to like sit in the middle of the room to be like oh no you don't sit at the end if you're leading something don't sit at the end like encourage people to kind of to to take that accountability and to know that it's okay and it doesn't always have to be like the most senior person or just the most confident person so I think sometimes and I was thinking about all those situations you described I was like I feel like there's quite a big link with confidence you know if I'm confident going into a room with people I don't know if I'm confident on a virtual meeting or if I'm not maybe people don't turn the camera on sometimes when they're learning because they're like oh I don't want Sarah to pick on me because what if I don't know the right answer or if Sarah sees me does that mean she might ask me something now we don't do that we never put anyone on the spot but you might you might be kind of thinking those things um so I was like oh that's that's also quite interesting like I would never want somebody to feel like oh that they that they couldn't kind of take the space that they that they need as part of like the work the work that they do and I think we You can probably like all help each other with those.

30:29And my one other thing is, I think this is a really good watch out for yourself, is not to always default to sitting in the same place. Yes, that's nice. So I definitely do this. Yeah. So, you know, like there's a, you know, if you have the same meetings every week or you have some of the same meetings every week and you sort of go, that's my spot. I like sitting there. And that would, I'd definitely be like that because I'd be like, oh, I like being able to see a window. like I would always want to be able to see a window or I like be able to see what's going on around because I like the sensing I like to be able to see the full thing I don't like the idea of things being behind me that I can't see so I would definitely have some of the same preferences but I reckon you know almost that like don't always sit in the same place so like for example for that next board meeting I'm already thinking I think I would have gone to exactly the same seat and now I'm going to be like no I'm gonna yeah I think I might try and do the seat next to the top of the table just to try that one i don't like that word um so i'm trying to avoid that but um but i was like yeah i think i might try that and just be like how does that feel because that's quite that feels a bit more intimidating so it's quite nice just like i think you can just try some stuff out here and have a bit of fun i think that is a brilliant build um on like never not never sitting sitting in the same seat twice because you probably will but just that idea of don't default to the same seat yeah because that might that might sort of predetermine how you're going to engage and actually the variety don't default to just going to sit down because you don't know people like i would definitely do that sometimes like don't default to i'm going to go in the room early or i'm going to sit in the escape seat or whatever when you are up for it when you've got the energy when you've got the capacity like just try and challenge yourself to be like i'm not going to default today to what i would normally do and like what does that look like for you maybe that is saying hello to somebody maybe that's just saying what what would happen you know wherever we're hell and i do events you know no one ever sits in the front row yeah that's still what if you did yeah like what if you did what if you went and sat in the front row i actually am a bit more like that because i like to be able to see again because i think if i'm in a big room and i'm because i'm small i'm like if i can't see then i'm definitely not engaged so i actually would often go we do it for different reasons i'm like it's because i want content i'm like if i sit in the front seat then no one's head's going to get in the way of the photo that i'm trying to take oh right yeah no i don't think about that very different i just like want to learn the thing i would love to get people's feedback on this episode because it is a little bit random and it may be too random or it might be just the little bit of curiosity that you were looking for you yeah a little bit of light relief because let us know because we could we you know we can take this podcast wherever we want but we want to make sure it is useful and energizing for you because that is two of our company values so email us we are helen and sarah at squigglycareers.com and we will summarize some of those insights in the pod sheet which you can get from our website amazingif.com i know we're just like to give a little shout out to the lady that emailed me about how to make a poached egg um i it was with some brilliant photos and i was like this is the best email i've ever had since i started work um also gave some very good feedback on the podcast and how useful it was but then she was like sarah here's how to make one um i would say my current progress everybody for those people who care drama imagining is everybody um my poached i've gone back to scrambled eggs so So Helen was like, why are you not just doing scrambled eggs?

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