Cosmic Queries – Galactic Grab Bag – Blue Steel

13 Jan 2026 · 48 min · 22 chapters

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In short

StarTalk “Cosmic Queries” grab-bag episode answering listener questions about black holes, the Sun, time dilation, faster-than-light ideas, generational ships, multiverse/bubble universes, and warp drives, plus a Big Bang diorama and a few speculative physics “what-ifs.”

Guests

Neil deGrasse Tyson (host/astrophysicist) and Chuck Nice (co-host). No other guests appear; questions are read from listeners (e.g., Joshua from Portland, Salvatore Mamana from Brooklyn, Satoris DeWitt from Belgium, Bodnar Marton Janos from Budapest, Tyrone Morgan from Hackensack, etc.).

Key claims

  • Sunshine: nukes are fission; the Sun runs on fusion, so “nuking the Sun” wouldn’t work as portrayed.
  • Near-Sun travel: temperature is about photon radiative flux; shielding risks heating and eventual vaporization; carbon/diamond has very high melting point.
  • Generational ships: later tech could overtake earlier missions; “warp” would allow docking/pickup rather than leaving crews behind.
  • Black holes: gravitational slingshots can’t exceed light speed; inside, you don’t “keep speeding up” past c—mass/energy changes instead.
  • Time dilation/relativity: going near light doesn’t make you shrink; only black-hole tidal compression does.
  • Multiverse/bubbles: bubble universes could “collide” (speculative idea for dark matter/dark energy), but different laws could be catastrophic.
  • Warp/FTL: warp can be “dialed down” to subluminal speeds; tachyons would imply backward-in-time signals (hypothetical).

Notable examples

  • Sunspots described as typically larger than Earth.
  • “Rotisserie” shielding idea for surviving near-Sun radiation.
  • Balloon/balloon-surface diorama for the Big Bang (time as an extra dimension).
  • Photon/graviton discussion: photons are particle counterparts to EM waves; gravitons are hypothetical counterparts to gravitational waves (LIGO detects waves, not gravitons).

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Chapters

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Audience Questions on Black Holes

2:30 to 3:47

Discussion on black holes and audience questions regarding the movie Sunshine.

“This is StarTalk Cosmic Queries Edition.”

Understanding the Sun's Fusion Process

3:47 to 6:10

Exploration of nuclear fusion in the sun and misconceptions about using nuclear bombs.

“But based on what has just been told, I have comments.”

Prolonging the Sun's Life

6:10 to 8:10

Discussion on how to potentially prolong the life of the sun by recycling hydrogen.

“And I got to see the movie to see why they were doing it.”

Measuring Temperature in Space

8:10 to 10:40

Insights into how temperature is measured in space and its implications.

“Just get away to, get it like a conveyor belt.”

Traveling Close to the Sun

10:40 to 13:20

Concepts on how to approach the sun safely and the materials needed to withstand its heat.

“You can't do StarTalk with crackly lips.”

Future of Space Travel and Generational Ships

13:20 to 14:10

Discussion on generational ships and the advancement of technology in space travel.

“Bill Rodewalt, Rodewalt from Oregon, Ohio.”

Warp Drives and Space Travel

14:10 to 16:40

Explore the implications of warp drives in space travel and potential missions.

“Because, you know, what he's saying is that you launch a mission today with your modern technology.”

The Moral Dilemma of Generational Ships

16:40 to 18:57

Discuss the ethical considerations and challenges of life on generational ships.

“Get over there to your station and do what you're supposed to do, okay?”

Visualizing the Big Bang

19:36 to 21:18

Learn how to explain the Big Bang to children using visual aids and analogies.

“What do you picture in your head when you think of the Big Bang?”

Space, Time, and Black Holes

21:18 to 23:26

Delve into the relationship between space, time, and black holes in physics.

“That's a great, do it with your kid, man.”
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Gravitational Slingshots and Space Travel

23:26 to 28:00

Understand how gravitational slingshots work and their application in space travel.

“until you descend into that abyss as a stream of atoms.”

Understanding Gravitational Slingshots

28:00 to 29:19

Learn how gravitational slingshots work and their differences from traditional slingshots.

“Because everybody thinks of Slingshot as this.”

The Dynamics of Black Holes

29:20 to 30:50

Explore the behavior of objects near supermassive black holes and their event horizons.

“B, if it's a supermassive black hole, you can easily fall into it and not be ripped apart.”

Expansion of the Universe vs. Black Holes

30:51 to 33:19

Discuss the implications of living in an expanding universe and its relation to black holes.

“No, because you're not going the speed of light.”

Exploring Warp Drive Technology

33:20 to 35:46

Learn about the concept of subluminal warp drives and potential methods for acceleration.

“So, yeah, and evaporation, supermassive black holes, forget black holes the size of our universe, supermassive black holes take 10 to the 100 years to evaporate.”

The Nature of Gravitons and Black Holes

38:17 to 41:21

Examine the relationship between gravitons, black holes, and quantum physics.

“All right, this is Tyrone Morgan from Hackensack, New Jersey.”

The Multiverse and Cosmic Bubbles

41:22 to 42:00

Discuss the concept of the multiverse and the implications of expanding bubble universes.

“Tyson, and a big high five to Lord Nice.”

Exploring Different Universes and Antimatter

42:00 to 44:10

Discussing the implications of traveling to other universes with different physical laws.

“is pumping out universes left and right.”

Warp Drives and Black Holes

44:10 to 46:20

Analyzing the concept of warp drives in relation to black holes and singularities.

“All right, this is Sweet Heat 223 from Dallas, Texas.”

Gravity and Simulation Theory

46:20 to 48:20

Discussing how gravity might affect time in a simulated universe.

“He's saying the more complex areas of our universe require more computing power.”

Black Holes and Information Retrieval

48:20 to 50:30

Examining whether information can escape black holes and the implications for AI.

“Ultimately, sacrificing itself to send us the data and solve the quantum gravity theory.”

Speed of Light and Time Perception

50:30 to 53:20

Exploring the perception of time when traveling at or faster than the speed of light.

“Where it gets bounced around and then comes out.”
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2:04Neil deGrasse Tyson:This was a grab bag and everybody keeps asking about black holes. It is. They got black hole on the brain and none of them have pronounceable names. What Chuck mangle names the way black holes mangle matter. Very nice. On StarTalk. Welcome to StarTalk. Your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide. StarTalk begins right now. This is StarTalk Cosmic Queries Edition. Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist. Chuck, nice baby. How you doing? Hey, what's happening? All right. To grab bags, you stick your hand in the bag, and you don't know what you're going to get. And you just pull it out.

2:48Neil deGrasse Tyson:And it's random. Right, exactly. And, you know, if it's a turd, it's your fault, people. Turd. If we pull out a turd, it's your fault. This is all you. All right, this is Joshua from Portland, Oregon. He says, hey, Dr. Tyson, Lord Nice. I'm Joshua from Portland, Oregon. I love the movie Sunshine. But the main plot of - I haven't seen Sunshine. I haven't seen it either. He says, the main plot of reviving our sun by sending all of Earth's nuclear material to the sun seemed more than far-fetched and even a quite bit cheesy. Putting all the cheesy aspects of the movie aside, the movie did address what it would be like getting near our sun.

3:27My question is, if you've seen the movie, did the movie Sunshine get anything right when approaching close to the sun? Scientifically speaking, of course, and if not, in your opinion, What would be the funnest or weirdest thing to know about being extremely close to our sun? So a couple of things.

3:48Neil deGrasse Tyson:So first, I haven't seen the movie. All right. But based on what has just been told, I have comments. Okay. Our nukes are, well, we have fission nukes. Right. Which are what we call A-bombs. Right. The sun has never been in the business of nuclear fission. It's fusion. Fusion. Right. It takes light elements into heavy elements. We do that, but we still don't know how to control it. Right. So we have uncontrolled nuclear fusion, otherwise known as a? Hydrogen bomb? Bomb, yes. Bomb. Bomb. We're good at making uncontrolled nuclear fusion. Right. And the day we harness that and we get fusion reactors, that would be very inexpensive fuel.

4:33It will be the beginning of a new era. A new era, yes, it would. Because all of our energy problems will be solved.

4:41Neil deGrasse Tyson:Basically, that's correct. Yes. That's correct. So now you want to send our measly nukes into the sun and believe that's going to make a difference? Yeah. Okay, just for context. Yeah. Have you ever seen spots on the sun? I mean, in pictures. Yes, you know what we call those? Sunspots. Sunspots. I ask easy questions here. All right. A sunspot is typically slightly larger than Earth. Okay. So the sun has blemishes bigger than our planet. Yeah, that's crazy. And you want to think that our nukes don't have anything to do with the sun? Right. Yeah. Why not throw spitballs at it? Just as effective.

5:26Just as effective. Get a straw and, yeah, just as effective.

5:31Neil deGrasse Tyson:Or if I could do a Chuck voice, it would be, you'd fire the nuke into the sun and say, mm, this is delicious. Exactly. Yeah, wow. Plus, isn't that different? I mean, you can't start fusion from an explosion, right? No, the explosion is the fusion. That's what I'm saying. Oh, but you want to, can you trigger it? Yeah, I'm saying, because the idea would be to - No, you can't trigger it because the outer layers of the sun are not hot enough to sustain it. Right, okay. But at the center of your bomb it was. Right. Just like at the center of the sun. Exactly. Yeah, because the fusion is happening at the center of the sun.

6:06Neil deGrasse Tyson:And not in the outer edges. And not in the outer edges. Okay, so here's how you prolong the life of the sun. And I got to see the movie to see why they were doing it. If the sun was running out of fuel or whatever. It's an easy way to do this. Let me guess. Now, and this is me guessing, so shut up. All right. I'm going to say, since the sun takes hydrogen and fuses it so that it ends up with like this four proton that creates helium. Four nucleons. Four nucleons. So it's two protons, two neutrons. So the four nucleons that creates helium, what you want to do is either send the sun more helium or send it more hydrogen.

6:49Why send it more helium? Well, because the next step after the helium is, that's where it keeps going from there. The sun won't. The sun won't. Only the high mass stars are going to take it. Oh, get out. Yeah, the sun pretty much stops. So the sun stops. Yeah. Oh, so I need to send the hydrogen in. No, yes. I should just send more hydrogen. Yes. Okay. Okay, now, where's it hot enough to fuse hydrogen into helium?

7:11Neil deGrasse Tyson:In the center of the sun. In the center. In the center. Okay. So. So I got to get to the center of the sun. So if you run out of hydrogen. Right. In the center of the sun, where is there more hydrogen? Hmm. If I run out of hydrogen in the center of the sun. Yes. Oh, maybe I can pull it in from just outside the center of the sun? Thank you. Right. From everywhere else. Everywhere else in the sun. Just pull it back in. Okay. Yeah. So there's what's called convection. Right. Okay. If you can drive a convection deep inside the sun, bring fresh hydrogen down into the core, pull out the helium, then you'll jumpstart the fusion.

7:53Neil deGrasse Tyson:You can jumpstart the fusion and the sun, when it dies, it only used, I forgot the number, a few percent of its total hydrogen available. Oh. The sun could live for trillions of years if you can't be found a way. If you can't find a way to recycle it. You don't have to find hydrogen from somewhere else. No, just. It's sitting there in the sun itself. Wow. Just get away to, get it like a conveyor belt. Right. Send it down into the core. And now all you have to do is do that without burning up before you get there. Okay, so now, How do you get close to the sun? Well, first you give it a call. You're like, hey, how you doing?

8:23Neil deGrasse Tyson:You need a shield. Right. Because what temperature is it in space? Because right now you have a thermometer. It's reading the temperature of what? Whatever the room temperature is. You mean here on Earth? Specifically. If I have a thermometer here and it says 72 degrees. It's 72 degrees at that thermometer. What is 72 degrees? The temperature of the atmosphere. I don't know. The air. Yeah, the atmosphere. Okay, you said it's the temperature of the room. Right, no. It is the temperature of the air around the thermometer. In that spot. Right. It's the air. Okay. All right. Right there. Okay. Because it may not be 72 degrees over there.

9:02Now, if I come over here and I'm near that lamp.

9:06Neil deGrasse Tyson:Oh, it's going to be a little warmer. Because that's an old-fashioned bulb. Yeah, exactly. Okay. It's going to be a little warmer because that's heating the air over there. Right. Okay. You can go by the window. it's going to be a little cool. A little cool. Okay, over there. Right. If you're in space, there is no air. Right. So what the hell temperature are you measuring? You've got to measure the temperature of the nothingness of space. Correct. And space is not entirely nothing. Right. There is radiative energy moving through space. Correct. Right. Photons. Right. So? So it's got a little bit of a temperature.

9:43Neil deGrasse Tyson:And so it'll get a temperature if the thermometer is facing the sun. Right. Because that's a radiative heat coming from the sun. Correct. Right. It's not the air, it's just photons hitting. It's just photons hitting. Now the other side of the thermometer, well if you had two thermometers that split, so one is facing that way, one is facing this way, that's facing deep space. And it's just like, it's cold. Why is it so cold? Man, I'm burning up over here. Depending on your distance from the sun, that'll be the intensity of the rays. it'll be hundreds of degrees on the other side. And as you get closer to the sun, the radiative flux is the official term, gets higher and higher and higher.

10:23Neil deGrasse Tyson:That temperature will continue to go up. As long as you're shielded and you're looking out on the other side, that temperature's gonna stay the temperature of deep space, which is like the microwave background hitting it, which is there at all times, or some nearby stars if they happen to be there. So, temperature is a funny thing. Did we do an explainer on temperature? I thought we did. We did. We did an explainer on temperature. Yeah, okay. And you put on your lipstick? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You have a supple lip. You can't do StarTalk with crackly lips. I don't want the people talking about me. You know, right now, if I had ashy lips, there's some black people out there like, what is wrong with his lips?

11:04I cannot believe this brother on TV with ashy lips. His mother didn't. Who raised you? Who raised you?

11:12Neil deGrasse Tyson:Really? Who's the comedian? That's his line? Who raised you? He's one of the comedians. So, if you want to get close to the sun. In your shield. Well, but the shield will be too cold for you. The other side will be too hot. So what you really want to do is make a rotisserie.

11:34Oh, I'm cooking evenly. I'll tell you right now, if you want to. Somebody baste me. Baste me, please. That's a butter.

11:44Neil deGrasse Tyson:So you get pretty close if you're on a rotisserie. If you're on a rotisserie. All right. But there's a point where you'll just burn. Right. All right. And there's a point where that shield, wait a minute, this photon's hitting that shield. Right. Maybe it's very reflective, so it's not absorbing any, but it's not perfectly reflective. Some are going to get absorbed. And that shield temperature is going to begin to rise. And eventually it will radiate infrared back to the other side of the thermometer. And burn you alive. So, yeah, and then you reach a point where it is so hot, everything vaporizes.

12:22Neil deGrasse Tyson:Right. Do you know what has the highest melting point? Iron? No. I thought it, what? What is it? No, no, no. What has the highest melting point? You never guess. I'll never guess. Carbon. What? Ain't that something? Wait a minute. Have you ever tried to melt a diamond? Oh, well, there you go. Yeah, put that on your stove and see what happens. Exactly. Carbon. Wow. It's the highest melting point. Look at that. It's like 5 ,000 degrees. I mean, it's - Insanely high. Insanely high. And that, so generally, if you're going to go near the sun, you want carbon. We need a diamond ship. And it has to be piloted by a hip hop star.

13:02Neil deGrasse Tyson:Or Elizabeth Taylor. Or somebody who likes diamonds. Somebody like that, yeah. Or Carol Channing, yes. Ice, there you go. Yeah, so I have to go see the movie now. Thanks for that prompting. And maybe I can add more to that commentary. But otherwise, yeah, it'll vaporize you. There you go. No matter what. All right, very cool. Sunshine, I haven't heard of it, so. Bill Rodewalt, Rodewalt from Oregon, Ohio. Oregon, Ohio? Mm-hmm. Okay. He says, if we were to find a habitable planet within a few dozen light years of Earth and we had the technology to send a generational ship to this planet, how likely do you think it would be that the first mission launch would be the first to arrive?

13:50It seems to me that improvements in propulsion technology might be such that technological advances may lead to later missions overtaking the earlier ones. At what stellar distances do you think this would become a practical consideration as to when to launch a mission?

14:09Neil deGrasse Tyson:I love that. Because, you know, what he's saying is that you launch a mission today with your modern technology. And in 50 years, that's some old technology. And then the next ship just passes you. Passes the old ship. Waves to you. Yeah. It said, sorry about that. It's like you started out in a covered wagon and then all of a sudden a Tesla's going by you. Like, what the hell? and so that's a brilliant question and I think if we're going to be passed it would be because we have warp drives if you have warp drives you can take a warp drive to the location of the ship and bring everybody aboard and put them on the warp drive too right I think in practice that's how we would do it we wouldn't just leave them you wouldn't leave them like see them good luck no you dock you pick the people up yeah you dock you pick them up and you move on with them you put them on the warp drive And it would have nothing to do with the propulsion.

15:02Neil deGrasse Tyson:I don't see that as real. Even if we found a way to, and we reached like 20 % the speed of light, let's say, the nearest start to the sun is the Alpha Centauri system, four light years away. Four light years away. So how long would that take? 20%, so that's five years for a year, 20 years. 20 years, very good math. Yeah. Good math. Yeah. Loving it. Every once in a while. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. What do you call it? You have a comedy special called Just Smart Enough? That's my comedy special. Chuck Nice, Just Smart Enough. You just got that one. So would you go on a trip for 20 years to a planet that might host you?

15:46Neil deGrasse Tyson:I mean, so here's what I'd rather do. Whatever was the problem with Earth that you're trying to escape. Yeah, fix it. Just fix it. How about that? I'm just saying fix it. All right. And by the way, if that other planet is habitable, it means the atmosphere has oxygen in it. Right. What do you think made the oxygen? Right. Yeah. Life. Of course. That's right. But you get that. You don't know where it came from. You don't know where it came from. You don't know. Oh, yeah. Believe me, it's going to eat you. Is it all life, but it's all Venus flytraps? Right. You know? Yeah. Yeah, by the way, the fix it part is really the issue.

16:18It's like hiring a plumber. He's like, well, I found your problem. You're going to need a new house. like what what kind of plumber are you like no yeah so

16:32Neil deGrasse Tyson:what a great question though yeah yeah that's excellent so I don't so it's a great question but I don't see that as how that's gonna play out yeah right there's a moral question on a generational ship a life of isolation on a mission that they did not choose correct but let's be honest every kid I didn't ask me I didn't ask me I didn't ask me boy All right, shut your ass up. Get over there to your station and do what you're supposed to do, okay? Because we got to get to this planet.

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19:36All right, here we go. This is Salvatore Mamana. Okay, from Brooklyn.

19:43Neil deGrasse Tyson:Salvatore what? Mamana. Spell it. M-A-M-M-A-N-A. Mamana. Mamana. Mamana? Mamana. Yeah. Salvatore Mamana. Salvatore Mamana. Yes. He says, dear Star Trek. From Brooklyn. From Brooklyn. Yo, Brooklyn born and raised. Brooklyn in the house, girl. I hope you are well. What do you picture in your head when you think of the Big Bang? I've heard it's not quite like the image of a tiny dot exploding in all directions. if you had to make a diorama for a seven-year-old, what would the Big Bang look like? And what would yours be? You know, I'm stuck on the explosion model. Right. But if you do that, it's exploding within three-dimensional space.

20:26Neil deGrasse Tyson:But this is a sort of a four-dimensional with time as one of the dimensions. So I picture an inflated balloon because that works for me. You got to get rid of one of the dimensions. So our three spatial dimensions are flattened into the surface of a balloon. Right. And the time dimension is still there, emanating from the start of the balloon, where it's small. To any surface point on the balloon. And every larger surface point is later in time. Is later in time. Right. Right. Yeah. That's how I do it. Yeah. So if you want to do it with your seven-year-old son, you get a nice big old one of these, where do you get the really big, you have to go to a party store to get the biggest balloons.

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21:04Neil deGrasse Tyson:Like the giant balloons. Giant balloons. And on the balloon, just draw galaxies on it. Right. and then inflate it, and then deflate it. And as you inflate it back, you'll see the galaxies expand. Spread apart. Spread apart. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's the best way to do it. I think so. Yeah, I like it. All right, well, thanks, Salvatore. That's a great, do it with your kid, man. And tell him to give us credit for that A because we know what you're doing. All right, this is Satoris DeWitt from Belgium. And Satoris says, Hello, Dr. Tyson and Lord Nice. My name is Sotori DeWitt from Belgium. The name is Greek, but not me.

21:45As you mentioned before, space gets compressed near mass and time at faster speed slows down. This I can imagine. But if space and time are connected, does that mean I would get smaller as I go faster? If so, I would be infinitely small at the speed of light. Would I then become light? Is maybe all light matter, but infinitely small and fast? My boy's got some angst there. I'm telling you right now. So first of all, Satori, it's going to be okay.

22:26That's number one.

22:27Neil deGrasse Tyson:There was some panic in that question, wasn't there? Yeah, it's going to be all right, buddy. The world will be fine by tomorrow. The world's going to be all right. All right, so time slows down for you, as others would observe it, but you don't shrink. Right. Your dimensions will be measured to shrink front to back. So you'll get sort of thinner front to back as people measure your speed increasing. All right, they'll also measure your mass increase. They'll measure your time slowdown. We have three equations that tracks all three of those. Okay, all that happens in a black hole. You're going to shrink only because it's compressing you down to a smaller point in space.

23:08Neil deGrasse Tyson:So deal with it. I mean, there's not a way around that. And you're going to be stretched head to toe from tidal forces, but you're going to be squished shoulder to shoulder by the ever shrinking fabric of space and time. until you descend into that abyss as a stream of atoms. Have a nice day. There you go. Tell your kids that at bedtime. So, yeah, and Einstein concluded matter can never go at the speed of light because you have zero volume and infinite mass and time would stop. So if you go to travel at speed of light, you have to have zero mass like a photon. Like a photon, right. Yeah. There you go.

23:52Neil deGrasse Tyson:and they have zero mass, they travel the speed of light and they have zero time, which we talked about. Right, so great. Photon only knows time the moment it is manifested by something that it hits. Right, so the photon is created in an atom. Right. It is absorbed wherever it was headed instantly. Instantly, to it. To it. To it. To it. Yes. Everybody else gets to see it. Exactly. Go its path. That's funny. What I love is every time I'm on the beach, I always pull my swim trunks down just a little bit so that whatever photons land on my ass, I'm like, sorry. You were born in the sun and you landed on my ass.

24:37Neil deGrasse Tyson:Stop it. In one instant. That is so mean of you to the photon. No, I had similar thoughts, but not so crude. Yeah, yeah. So my thesis data, my PhD thesis data, my thesis is right there. Okay. We said the black one, the black one right there. This one, oh, God. Jesus. Yeah. Look at that. So a study of the abundance distributions along the minor axis of the galactic bulge. Okay? So this, it's single-sided, so don't think it. Still, that's, yeah. Point is, the galactic bulge is best viewed from Chile. Oh. Okay? Well, anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere. And I went to Chile many times to get data for this thesis.

25:22Neil deGrasse Tyson:Here's the thing. The telescope is at the top of a mountain, which has a tiny coastal town called La Serena at the base of the mountain. La Serena has beaches. And the people would be laying out on the beach with bikinis on and things like that. And I would go to the mountain with detectors to see photons that left the center of the galaxy 30 ,000 years ago. Some miss Earth and continue into space. Others hit Earth, maybe the countryside. Some of them hit the buttocks of people on the beach, like your buttocks that you exposed. That's right. But some of them land on my detector, empowering me to deduce the nature of the galactic center.

26:13So to me, those are noble photons. You gave your photons purpose. My photons gave their life for my black ass.

26:27Neil deGrasse Tyson:Okay. All right, here we go. I can hear the photons say, what is this? Where did I just land? I know. All right, here we go. All right. This is Bodnar. Actually, just to be precise, if it were like high-energy photons, they were absorbed by your melanin. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, they were lucky then. It would just grab it right out. Right out, yes. Snatch it right out of there. Because that's what melanin is for. That's what it's for. Yeah. All right. This is Bodnar Marton Janos, who says, from Budapest. You can't possibly have pronounced any of that correctly. No, Bodnar Marton Janos. Because he's trying to add a little.

27:05I'm not trying to add anything to that. Okay. Okay. All right. He says, I'm trying to solve a dilemma. I've been thinking about these past couple of days. Suppose I'm traveling in my super advanced spaceship towards a super massive black hole at the speed of light with the goal of doing a gravitational slingshot maneuver at the black hole. I'm planning to do this, speeding my spaceship close to the event horizon of the black hole. Questions. Is this even possible? If yes, how would I experience the event too? Using strong gravitational pull of the black hole and the slingshot maneuver, could my supersonic spaceship speed beyond light speed?

27:43I'm a 13-year-old student aspiring to be an astro or theoretical physicist. Cool. Good for you. In Budapest. In Budapest, yes.

27:52Neil deGrasse Tyson:So didn't we do an explainer on Slingshot? On Slingshot. Yes. Yes. And it's really cool. But it's not what you think it is. No. No, no. You know why? Because everybody thinks of Slingshot as this. the two prongs that you pull, put a projectile, you pull it back, and then you release it, and then the projectile just goes, taking all the energy of the recoil from the pullback, propelling it forward. But the way you explain slingshots, gravitational slingshots, it's not really a slingshot. It's not at all. It's not really a slingshot. So here's the problem. If you fall towards the black hole, but not in it, because you ain't getting out of the way, the acceleration of the spacecraft falling into the black hole is exactly canceled by you trying to climb out the other side right so when you're done with this exercise you're not traveling any faster or slower than you were before the slingshot works because you come in from behind an orbiting planet and you go the planet pulls you in and the act of pulling you in has you catch up with it in its orbit.

29:01Neil deGrasse Tyson:In its orbit. So there's an extra speed that's outside of the symmetrical fall in, climb out of the gravity. Which is the planet itself dragging you along in its orbit. Correct. Right. And you just ate some of the orbital energy of the planet by, you stole it. You stole it. You stole it. By tagging on, you're a stowaway. Gravitational stowaway. We're a gravitational stowaway. So that's not going to happen. Right. So A. B, if it's a supermassive black hole, you can easily fall into it and not be ripped apart. Right. Because the event horizon is so big that the tidal forces are not strong. Right.

29:39Neil deGrasse Tyson:So you get in and now you're just falling inside of the black hole. You're falling within the event horizon of the black hole. And the closer you get to the center, that's when the tidal forces start messing you all up. Correct. But in the beginning, you're just like, oh, well, this ain't bad at all. Not bad at all. And it's because your height, if he's 13, maybe he's five feet tall, your five feet relative to the radius of the black hole is small. Right. Whereas as you get closer to the center, your five feet, it could be only another five feet to the center of the black hole. So the tidal forces will become greatly magnified under those situations.

30:16Neil deGrasse Tyson:Gotcha. Wow. So. But it's great to see a 13-year-old thinking like this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. How cool. Oh, yeah. How cool. Well, good luck to you, man. And, you know, invite us to your graduation. I mean, we're not coming, but invite us. You're in Budapest. Ain't nobody who's paying that kind of money. We'll wish you well. But we'd like to know when you graduate. All right. But wait, wait, let me back up. So if I'm near the speed of light and I do an actual slingshot maneuver. Right. Okay. Right. Around a planet, could I be slingshot to go faster than the light? The answer is no. No. No, because you're not going the speed of light.

30:55Neil deGrasse Tyson:because you're made of material substance which can't go the speed of light. And you're not, it's not like the slingshot gives you all the energy and then you just keep it and keep going. You got to climb out of the fall that you would, the descent that you made, you have to now climb out of it. And that's exactly symmetric with it. So what would happen is, what happened was, let's say going 95 % the speed of light and you were to get a slingshot, what effect would it have? It would add energy to your trajectory. and there's a point where adding energy is not simply increasing your speed. There are other ways to boost the energy of the system.

31:35Neil deGrasse Tyson:He will end up going faster, but he won't catapult past the speed of light. That's the way to think about it. There you go. Okay. All right, here we go. This is Writer's Eye from Ohio. Writer as in W-R-I-T. Writer's Eye. E-Y-E. E-Y-E. So does the fact of us living in an expanding universe contradict the premise of living in the black hole. Since we know that black holes evaporate and there is a limit upon which all matter can be compacted, we wouldn't notice any intake of energy or matter from the waves it would cause. So not since the Big Bang has any more matter energy been introduced. Can we assume the universe in a black hole would not be expanding?

32:21hoping to get an answer lost in illiteracy in Ohio. That's very funny. Yeah.

32:29Neil deGrasse Tyson:So I don't have a good answer for that. If we were in a black hole and the black holes are eating things in its vicinity, you would see material coming in, just as he suggested. But not all black holes are actively eating. True. Quasars are galactic center phenomenon where the black hole is dining on stars and gases that have wandered too close, and it's emitting energy in the process. There's a distance within which quasars no longer are there. They shut off. We think they just completely ate everything in their environment. And so a black hole, it's not a requirement, it's not a prerequisite that a black hole is always eating things, and you would then see things coming in through your event horizon.

33:13Neil deGrasse Tyson:So don't use that as a reason for not embracing the possibility that we are in a black hole. Gotcha. So, yeah, and evaporation, supermassive black holes, forget black holes the size of our universe, supermassive black holes take 10 to the 100 years to evaporate. Yeah. So just don't hold your breath. A lot of time. Nothing to worry about. Right. So very cool. All right, but nice thought experiment. Here we go. This is Rabayaga, Robert Dudak from Flint, Michigan. He said, I read a paper validating the subliminal. subluminal subluminal warp drive as a more realistic possibility than the Alcubere FTL drive.

34:01FTL says we're faster than light. Faster than light. Constant velocity physical warp drive solution. The one thing that was not even hinted at on the paper was how one might accelerate the warp bubble. I would appreciate any thoughts on acceleration and how fast the subluminal drive might eventually go hypothetically and thank you.

34:24Neil deGrasse Tyson:Yeah, I've got to do some homework on that. A couple of things. A warp drive, there's no prerequisite that it goes faster than light. Right. You just warp space and you go. But if you can go faster than light, then why not? Right. Like, what are you doing? And if you were to go faster than light, this would be the only way you could do it because you would have to compress the space because you can't go faster through the space than light. You're stepping through basically the compressed space on the Alcubierre Drive. He was a Mexican physicist who came up with this. And so I don't know what the problem is because the Alcubierre Drive is a way to go faster than light, but there's nothing in principle preventing you from just dialing it down.

35:16Neil deGrasse Tyson:Just go slower. Right, exactly. Right? I mean, your car probably goes 130 miles an hour. Guys, take it easy. You know, this part of the galaxy is a speed trap. Red light cameras.

35:31Neil deGrasse Tyson:So I don't see that as a sticking point at all. Yeah. Yeah, you just dial it down. You just dial it down. Yeah. And by the way, even in Star Trek, they have warp one through nine. Yeah, but warp factor one is the speed of light. That is the speed of light. Right. but I don't even hear them say warp. It's impulse power or something. Impulse power is less than light speed. Less than light, correct. So, all right, well, there you go. So you just fly on impulse, baby.

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38:17All right, this is Tyrone Morgan from Hackensack, New Jersey. Joy-Z. He says, hello, Dr. Tyson, Lord and Ice. Tyrone Morgan from Hackensack, New Jersey. Love your show, and here are my inquiries. What if the graviton was not quantum? What if the space-time that we live in is the gravitational field and black holes are the graviton in a higher dimension? Black holes having infinite mass at the singularity might be similar to photons having no mass in the electromagnetic field. Holy moly, bro.

38:48Neil deGrasse Tyson:Man, people, people, people. Wow. What would a photon look like to someone whose space-time was the electromagnetic field? I think it's very difficult to see the full picture when you're inside of it. Thank you for everyone for the science that you do, curiosity, the passion, and your discovery. I don't know if I can help this man. This is a wild question. He's got it bad. Yeah, man. The graviton. Okay, so... The gravitational field and black holes in a higher dimension. Just watch, just watch. So wild. So there's electromagnetic force. Right. That is propagated by the photon. Right, okay. They go hand in hand.

39:27Neil deGrasse Tyson:Hand in hand. And a photon comes in waves as well. Of course. We have gravitation. Einstein said it's the curvature of space and time, but if it's going to be a force, and we're going to describe it in a quantum way, there ought to be a particle that propagates the gravitational field. And we already have the wave that propagates it. We've seen that. That's called the, well, it's LIGO discovered. LIGO discovered. Okay? So we got that. So what about the particle counterpart to the wave? We call that a graviton. Just like the photon is a particle counterpart to just the waves, light waves. Light waves.

40:06Neil deGrasse Tyson:Light waves. Okay? So we have a graviton is the particle counterpart to gravitational waves. But we don't know how to detect that. Right. But it does make sense. Well, if you can turn all of gravitational physics into a quantum solution, then yeah, that makes sense. But if not, it could just confuse things. Yeah. I mean, I'm already confused, so to be honest. Yeah, so I think it's kind of fanciful to think of black holes as the gravitons of, yeah, it doesn't feel right to me. Because black hole, we already have that described. It's not some mysterious thing that you're finding some other mysterious thing to say that it is.

40:56Neil deGrasse Tyson:Yeah, right. And we want to avoid that anyway. You don't want to take this thing that we barely know and to use it to explain this other thing. No, that we don't know at all. That we don't know at all. Take this thing that we really don't understand and barely know and use it to describe. This is what happens with consciousness. People are saying, let's take the weirdness of quantum physics that nobody understands and use it to explain consciousness which nobody understands. Exactly, right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. All right, well, listen, I like the way you think, though, man. You definitely smoking some good weed.

41:25Please send me some. This is Matt D. from Oklahoma. He says, good day, Dr. Tyson, and a big high five to Lord Nice. My name is Matt Dodd from Oklahoma, and I'm wondering about our bubble universe in the multiverse. If our universe is constantly expanding, does that mean our bubble in the multiverse is growing over time? Who's to say another multiverse bubble would not merge with our own? What would it mean for our universe? And thanks for the insight.

41:56Neil deGrasse Tyson:Yeah, I worry about that. Yeah. Because quantum physics in the multiverse model is pumping out universes left and right. And each universe has slightly different laws of physics. Right. You don't want to just, hey, let's go visit the, you know, the Johnsons over in the other universe. Right. If the charge on their electron is different from yours. Right, because now I just exploded. I turned to goo. Yeah, but you collapsed into a pile of goo. That's it. So... Damn, when do I shouldn't have come? You bring something to test it with. Right. You know, like a gerbil or something. So now somebody, I don't know...

42:30That would be mean. Maybe not a gerbil. No, gerbils are fine. They ain't worth it. I'm not losing any sleep over a gerbil. Anyway, put that sucker in a habitrail, send them right through.

42:44Neil deGrasse Tyson:Habitrail. All right. But... The universe could be made of antimatter, for example. Right. That would be terrible. You toss a coin and the thing blows up. Right. That would be so cool. And then, of course, you meet yourself. but your other self, you know, you look, half of it is black and the other half is white. It's like— What episode from Star Trek? The anti-matter guy. That was— They'll have a goatee. Yes, exactly. And a black hat. And that's the evil man. Somebody, I don't know where I saw this or heard, because I don't think I read it, saying that is there a possibility that dark energy or dark matter is another bubble universe colliding with ours, and that's why it doesn't interact.

43:36It's just passing through.

43:37Neil deGrasse Tyson:Yeah, I'm a fan of that kind of thinking. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, because even though it involves a higher dimension, it's kind of simpler than other explanations. It makes sense, too. Yeah. It's like, yeah, this thing is just passing through us, but it doesn't interact. Like a sphere passing through. Two dimensions. Two dimensions, right. It's a dot, then a circle that gets bigger and bigger, then it gets smaller and smaller again, then it disappears from your universe. So, yeah, I'm partial to those explanations, even while knowing they're probably not correct. Right. Fun to think about. All right, this is Sweet Heat 223 from Dallas, Texas.

44:17Sweet what? Sweet Heat 223. Better known as Sterling from Dallas, Texas. Sterling, all right. He says, hi, Dr. Tyson and Chuck Nice.

44:25Neil deGrasse Tyson:So Sterling was not a cool enough badass name. Yeah, he had to go with Sweet Heat. Or she. Sweet Heat. All right. Sterling, that's a boy name. Sterling's a boy name? Yeah. Okay, so Sterling from Dallas, Texas. He said, if we could travel via warp drive, is it possible that speed to bypass the spaghettification process when entering a black hole to reach its singularity? So could you warp into a black hole and then bypass the singularity because you're going so much faster than the speed of light itself? So you've warped through the black hole. So technically, you don't need an escape velocity to get out of the black hole because you're warping through it.

45:18It's a wild proposition. Are these two black holes? No. Just you. It's you in the black hole.

45:24Neil deGrasse Tyson:Yeah. Hmm. I'm not feeling it. Yeah, not feeling it. It's an intriguing idea. It is. And like, can you bypass? Can you bypass? The rules. The whole rules. Yeah, yeah. No spaghettification. Right, right, right. None of the super gravity. There are black holes that you can fall in and not go to the center. Right. Like rotating black holes. And there are other configurations you can imagine. But, yeah, no, I'm not feeling it. Okay. All right. Yeah. Chuck, got a few more minutes. Minutes. Okay, let's see what we can do. Okay. This is Patrick Laverdeer, who says, In video games, when you walk into a complex area, the frame rate drops because the system is rendering more data.

46:10If our universe were a simulation, could gravity be doing something similar, slowing down time because the cosmic engine is processing more information? I like that. Wow. I like that. He's saying the more complex areas of our universe require more computing power.

46:32Neil deGrasse Tyson:and as a result, everything slows down. This is the argument either for or against that we're in a simulation. Because the simulator doesn't have to simulate the whole universe. No. Only the universe that you are seeing at the time. Correct. That's it. For example, if we are in a simulation, are they simulating every molecule within the Earth if no one is looking inside the Earth? But now you start digging, so it's in their interest to simulate ahead of you without having to waste computing power on the whole earth. Right. And so that's just an intriguing scenario. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense.

47:09If you are in a simulation, why would you waste all the computing power necessary to create the stuff that's never even being seen? That's correct. You know? Right. All right. So this is Meruahki Gerag... Meruah... Meruahki? Meruahki. I don't know.

47:33who says, hello everyone, I was wondering if black holes accelerate things beyond the speed of light once inside them. Does that mean those things are going backwards in time? So the gravitational pull is so strong once you are past that event horizon. Could you then go faster than the speed of light since light can't escape?

47:57Neil deGrasse Tyson:Yeah, what happens is you start gaining mass. Right. And rather than gaining speed. Right. That's how that happens. That's how that happens. Okay. Right, right, right. And so, no, you don't just keep getting faster and faster. No, okay. And as you gain more mass, it's harder to accelerate you. Right. So, yeah. Oh, well. That's another thing. But what a great question, man. I like that. All right. Femke Seynaive from Belgium. Okay. He says, I was wondering, would it be possible to say if we reach a black hole with conventional space travel, even if it took thousands of years, to send a quantum AI computer or quantum robot a bit like they did in Interstellar?

48:44Ultimately, sacrificing itself to send us the data and solve the quantum gravity theory. Could quantum computers handle this information and send it to a spaceship in the vicinity, or would the information forever be stuck in the black hole? they can't answer your own question. Pretty sure you answered your own question, buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

49:06Neil deGrasse Tyson:I'm going with the, it's stuck in the bucket. It ain't coming out. It ain't coming out. It ain't coming out. Yeah. Yeah. There's the Hawking radiation, but it pulls it out, there's a strip tease, right? One molecule, one atom here, one particle there. Right. And then you have to reassemble it later. You would have to find that, you would have to put that information back together once it all evaporates. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Oh, well. I have one last question. All right, this is Martin from Denmark. Martine from Denmark, who says, hello, Dr. Tyson, Lord Nice. Martin from Denmark here.

49:35I think there's something undiscovered around the perception of time and the speed of light. If we humans were to travel at the speed of light, we say no matter the distance, it will feel like an instant when arriving at the destination. But since we also discovered that we can accelerate particles faster than the speed of light, when did we discover that? What the hell, Marty? Marty, did you get a Nobel Prize that nobody heard about? Because, damn, bro, what you talking about? And he says, how will we perceive that?

50:07Neil deGrasse Tyson:Like yesterday or thanks for a great show? Okay, so, no, we have not accelerated particles. Fashion the speed of light in a vacuum. Right. But the speed of light is slower. In mediums. In media. Right, media. Plural of medium. Plural of medium. Media. It's slower in water, glass, air, and especially diamond. Right. Where it gets bounced around and then comes out. When it's cut correctly. Right, when it's cut correctly. You're going to cut it in such a way. So it refracts. So it looks like the diamond has a certain radiance to it. Right, yeah. And it's refraction. Yes, exactly. Dispersion on the way out.

50:42Neil deGrasse Tyson:All right. So. Cost you a lot of money for a little bit of praise. I stopped buying diamonds years ago. And why are you forcing upon others your own marriage experience? Hmm? Just warning. For those considering talking a lot. If you're considering, just warning. I'm telling you. Keep it zirconia, man. Don't make the mistake. Don't make the mistake. Them diamonds are expensive, buddy. Let me tell you something. They throw them all like it was no big deal. They don't put them on every time. Like, oh my God, look at this. This man went out and spent all this money. They just throw them all like there's nothing to it.

51:21Okay? Get them zircons. Save yourself some money. Take it from a pro.

51:29Neil deGrasse Tyson:I forgot what the question was. Okay, all right. Oh, no, no. So you can't make them faster than the speed of light. No. But two points. If you could, the particles would go backwards in time. Right. According to the equations. According to the mathematics. Right. So in Einstein's equations, you can go up to the speed of light, but you cannot attain it. But nothing stops you from existing on the other side of the speed of light. and then going faster than that. And if you do that, you would live backwards in time. And what's that called? Tachyon. Tachyon, that's right. Tachyon, from the Greek meaning fast, like a tachometer.

52:08Neil deGrasse Tyson:Right. You've heard of tachometer? It's on your car. Exactly. My car doesn't have it anymore because I have an electric car, so there's nothing to tech. I'm just saying.

52:21Okay.

52:22Neil deGrasse Tyson:Yeah, so then it would be moving backwards through time. And you could then send yourself a signal. Using your tachyons. Using tachyons before you knew to send yourself a signal. Wow. Yeah. Trippy. So, yeah, it's a fun particle. Someone decided to move all the way into the other side of the equations and follow them through. And that's one of the conclusions. We've never found tachyons. Right. In the actual universe. Oh. Yeah. Oh, well. It's kind of cool. So tachyons then, if they did exist, they would be moving. We could only intersect them at the point which they meet our reality going in opposite directions.

53:03Neil deGrasse Tyson:Correct. That's the only time we can see them. It's a perceptive point you're making. Yeah. You can't see them in the future. You can't see them in the future. You can't see them in the past. You're going to see them as it's going backwards through time and we're going forward through time. And boom, that's when you see the tachyons. In that instant. That's great. That's wild. Yeah. I like it. Well, thanks for that, Martin from Denmark. Yeah. Very cool. All right, I think we're done here. All right, that was fun. Man, we're just knocking these out. We love the grab bags. They keep coming in. Well, listen, as long as you keep sending them, we'll keep doing it.

53:33Neil deGrasse Tyson:There it is. Another installment of StarTalk Cosmic Queries Grab Bag Edition. Neil deGrasse Tyson, you're a personal astrophysicist. Chuck, Lord Nice in the house. Yes. Thanks for being here. Always a pleasure. As always. Keep looking up.

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