is it easier being gay

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1:19No, we watched a choir cover them Hide and seek By who? Mother. Imogen Heap. Who I see everywhere. Imogen Heap, if you watch this, switch your own. I see you everywhere and I feel like we should just be friends. Really don't know my Imogen Heap that well. What you say?

1:48Children's choir is really important. Jason Derulo. I think in a previous episode I maybe mocked the fact that Avalon Cafe does a choir. I'd like to rescind. Oh no, I'm trying to join a choir. My friend Shiv might start one. I think it's maybe like what it's all about. But that's not a children's choir because I'm not a nonce. Pret coffee. Pret coffee because I had to take a shit. Okay. So, and it was the closest thing. Louie's got skids. One, two, three. Louie's got skids. Have we spoken about this on the book before? If you see skid marks in a toilet. Yeah. It makes me so furious. Are you cleaning them up?

2:21Especially my own fucking house. Are you cleaning them up? I'll just say sorry. Sometimes it's not Bill. There have been friends and I'm not naming names. because it's actually not you. There is a friend that I think would surprise everyone.

2:36You can't hear it. Bill's just grasped. You can't hear it on the dynamic microphone. That was so funny. Bill just said it was. And it really annoyed me. Right, but... That annoys me. Why am I seeing your shit? When that person does it, would you clean it up? Bill, that's tongue me out. Would you clean it up? Yeah, I would, yeah, with the toilet brush because it pisses me off because you should have cleaned it up. Well, exactly. That's what I mean. No, no, no, no. Still can't hear it. Still can't hear it. Well, the other thing is, is that I think a workplace is the perfect place to imagine it. Because it's sort of like...

3:11Well, you can piss them off, can't you, when you have a standing way? You can piss them off. But also, workplace, there's power dynamics. I would never leave skids. Like, do you know how many times I just like flush to make sure everything's gone? I even hate when you go in after someone and you kind of see the seeds at the end. Right. Hate that. Sweetcorn. yeah or like no not even like it's like the little seeds sweet corn yeah yeah it's like the skin of a seed I know it's rank but but you go in and you clean up someone else's shit because you don't want the embarrassment of walking out the toilet having someone else think yeah that you've done a skin I go in with perfume I have perfume on me at all times really I hate having a shit in public I hate it oh did you know there was the London marathon this weekend really i had no idea i genuinely had no idea really oh my god what is a marathon um in it it's sort of so you're telling me last year you didn't run yeah and how difficult it is to get in what i've recently heard is how difficult it is to get it's really difficult yeah and i got it on an epo oh really yeah okay why my mom does work for a charity and i got it Through my mum.

4:22Action Aid. Shout out Action Aid. Why didn't you win it this year? Because I was too embarrassed to ask for another place when I fucked up. It's so hard to get a place. I know, that's what I mean. And by the time I'd fucked it up, it was like too late. But yeah, big moment of silence for me and the London Marathon. I don't want to come and watch that. No. When people are like, do you want to come and watch the London Marathon? No, I don't. No. That's boring as fuck. You're boring. Watching people run slowly. and then there's one that runs it fast well because you don't know what it takes to kind of make that sort of sacrifice i guess what the sacrifice of signing up to running 26 miles and making everyone try and care for it it's like the ultimate like capitalism wow it's all it's stupid guys i just want you to know that for a decent cause that i'm not affected by i'm gonna like and try and get in the london marathon to then put my body under serious stress for a bit of money and then I'm going to force everyone in my life to watch one of my Instagram stories training up to it and then I'm going to force everyone in my life to come to three different locations around London to see me run.

5:30Whose parent didn't come to sports day and what trauma are you trying to replace? Sounds like you promoting it all. Yeah, it's me. It's me promoting straight emo. It's, yeah. It's so boring. but you know if people want to make that sacrifice yeah they can but like can you sacrifice in silence? Yeah well I would say it's more the hullabaloo from all the fans. I can't believe people like filming it having like a day out you're stood against a railing and Beyonce's not appearing. No well next year it's going to be two days so it's going to be the Saturday and the Sunday well because it's so hard to get a bloody place so they're going to expand it and everyone loves running it is weird it is bizarre that it's become such a thing.

6:17Do you know what is fun? What? Allotments. Oh, yeah, you were at an allotment on the weekend. My boyfriend's parents, allotment. Well, yeah, and we would all know because you, again, posted your Instagram story. Yeah, I did, yeah. Well, and that is a more noble thing. I planted things with my hands and now I can't, it's stained some of my biab. Is French tips compatible with an allotment lifestyle? Not really, but I did it anyway because I'm not about to be a city girl that can't do shit. Right. So I planted some... French tips are additive Kale Not restrictive Kale Bill did I plant kale Yeah I planted kale Bill's not the producer At this point Should probably pay him Where were you planting I won't tell you The exact location But my boyfriend's Parents allotment Oh sorry Did you say that Yeah Am I not listening No Am I not a good listener You're too bothered Thinking about How you're going to get Into the London Marathon Next year Do I wear my hokers Or my ASICs And do I need to Vaseline maniples Or will they just bleed The hokas, the soul of the hokas is too big.

7:16That's my theory. Yeah, chunky. Loaf of bread teas. Yeah. Pavillion loaf of bread, seeded loaf teas. Okay, so tell me about planting. Do you know what? It's actually really lovely. Yeah. Like, to just succumb to the... To Gaia. Succumb to Gaia. I got my dreads done. I wore my harem pants. No, we went and it was like fun. It's just fun to be like, oh. it made me realize that actually there is so little i know about this world and i don't know how to i eat so much stuff and i don't know how to grow anything and i was like that deeply bothers me maybe we need a pot gang sponsorship i would love yeah i would love an allotment but obviously allotments aren't free to come by and apparently in london like you can barely that the waiting list is like 30 years well that's i would i would love to get into that uh gardening but it just in London yeah unless you're in unless you're in the burbs yeah then you're fucked it really doesn't feel that fun like growing it's one tomato plant in your garden I want to grow rhubarb and eat rhubarb crumble all the time a custard oh boss me boss me yeah but it was amazing like I feel very honored and blessed to go and I love them all such a privilege to be able to No, such a privilege to be able to plant something.

8:39And then we were drinking from a hose, looking at frogs and shit. Getting over my fear of frogs. You were drinking from a hose? Yeah, because we were watering and drinking from a hose. How wonderfully childlike. Honestly. Yeah. Felt like the world ended. It was so nice. Just living off the farrow of the land.

8:57How else was your weekend? Anything else to report? Yeah, partied a bit. With anyone? Yeah, no, yeah. Just the regular bits. Yeah. Yeah, pop star in a bit. No, I've had a very, I had a really lovely week last week. We had Charlie's birthday on Saturday. What else did I do? Not X. Not X, X. Charlie Rowe, who's a brilliant, lovely actor friend, but one of Bill's besties. He went to his birthday. Lots of people were out. It was fab. Yeah. Who? Oh, just everyone, really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice group of people. Yeah. Yeah. and then I got too lit there got too lit Friday went out for dinner on Thursday what have you been up to?

9:44Sue was partying with some big hairs on the weekend alright we'll leave it there how was my weekend? I was unfortunately in Hackney Wick so we need to talk about Hackney Wick we need to talk about Hackney Wick because and I feel very comfortable talking about if war was to start and I was somewhere higher, like, do you know how they said that the CIA did 9-11? Yeah. If I was in the government and I was the CIA and they were like, look, we're going to have to bomb somewhere. Yeah. Just to like prove a point or whatever 9-11 was about. All my friends in Hackney Wick. Hackney Wick's going. Crate bar.

10:25It's going. Yeah. It's gone. It's gone. I'm sorry. It has to go. Yeah. That's an evil that will never. and what were they thinking yeah what were they thinking not having a high street anywhere it's just it's new build flats bars shit bars flats in warehouses that look cold yeah dance studio and a Sainsbury's local yeah and sure you're so close you're so close to Victoria Park it's so horrible over that horrible bridge it's um and yeah i can't quite work out the clientele from essex yeah they're straight people which is fun it is okay it's more it's more the don't get me wrong i've had my time with the brentwood warrior or two don't stress about me we have no issue with them no no it's the it's more the infrastructure yeah it's the setup it's just awful like it's what it is is almost what we're saying about berlin where it's that thing it's like desperately wanting to be cool so then you're just kind of like living in squalor but there's nothing there you live in in a warehouse a lot of the like it doesn't have windows but you're paying so much the issue is you're paying it would be different if like maybe back in the day happening where it was like it's 200 pound for a room right i was gonna say you're paying like 1 500 to live in like an old like chocolate factory i don't know yeah or the or or a new build increasingly.

11:58Yeah, even worse. And, you know, you can go on the rooftop of the Lord Napier, but you're still just looking at new builds. Yeah. And there's all this, there's all this gorgeous green around Hackney Wick. There's these canals and they just fucked it. Yeah, it's awful. Sorry. It's not fierce. And then there's colours, which is fine. Yeah, sorry. No, shout out to colours. Shout out to colours. We do love your colours. You're doing your thing. You're doing your thing. But I was in Hackney Wick on the weekend and... It's weird. Do you know when I, like, colours follow me? why yeah berate it like good for you I don't know who's really spending time on the colours for you Paige like is the social media manager like doom scrolling on the colours yeah that's what I think that's what I think every time days like my video I'm like who is doing that I don't really why is days like a video of me talking about Kate King do you know what I mean like I just think that's funny well it's actually maybe if we're gonna get if we're gonna make this boring I would say it's because Keeps everything active Yeah and you should be like in a way that we're not With Straight Diva You should be like active You should be commenting But then you could also argue it's cool that you're not It makes you a little bit more mysterious But yeah It's probably just to kind of be active and Comment Love this Also I really loved our episode last week And when we were filming it I was like this is shit And then oh my god They just need to turn the car alarms off.

13:26I knew it was good when it was happening It was really nice Donald Trump wasn't worried during correspondence dinner shooting so I would shit myself so I think wasn't worried during five-minute quiet time No, I wasn't worried during in laws dinner ejaculation Do you know who was worried at my five-minute quiet time? Hmm bill so the full thing i wrote was so i think wasn't worried during five minute quiet time sanctioned by her boyfriend no he was worried i got quiet for five minutes it's like have you seen hunger games the second one where it's like um they're with that all the winners go back and there was that crazy woman and she was like oh what does she call it she's like our she's like a mascot and basically they find out she's dead because she goes quiet and then they turn around and she's been stabbed up and like people come in that is me bill's like oh my god our mockingjay's gone quiet and i'm just there like furious stopped stimming just upset um madonna's back yay yeah confessions too i'm excited sophie's excited she's like let me show you let me lick my minge confessions too i'm excited but she did about the grinder the best thing the best thing about it is it leaked the song leaked and it was immediately in this so i think group chat and i really liked that like immediately luke throws it in there like madonna's leaked everyone's i'm sending it to everyone i know madonna leak madonna leak i thought it was good but like confessions ever like your confessions yeah yeah hung up sorry i love new york yeah hit after hit and you come back with i feel so free do you know who i know is going to feature on that project because she's commenting on everything who shy girl really guarantee there be shy girl feature yeah i actually put money on it she'd be sensible too yeah i mean the the the positioning is already very very clear yeah we had addison ray kachala we had grinder collab addison ray came out at the abbey as well she just did the abbey and now if shy girls in the comments it's clear we know what she's doing but then i'm just kind of like good for madge excited she's coming back i don't know if this is correct to do i don't think this is the right thing to do come on i think she needed to come back with like clear hits and a concise no feature project she's madonna one of her most iconic albums she shouldn't have a feature i think she will have a shy feature i think she'll have multiple people features i actually could have a charlie feature i thought you're going to say something about the positioning you mean more the song i think the song could be i like it yeah but no one's gagging didn't move me yeah i don't think it moved anyone and i i think it sounded like a b-side from the original and i think she can do better than that yeah she needs a hung up can you remember when hung up dropped yeah i remember i was i remember watching it with my mom i literally remember everyone talking about it everyone couldn't stop talking about it it was everywhere That song was fucking everywhere.

16:35You're going to do a part two to that project and not come out with a song as good as hung up? Yeah. You're joking? The music video. Where's the good sample? You needed another ABBA sample. She is 67.

16:50I know, but like, babe, you can't come back with a part two of something and do it mid. She's 67, but she'd be fucking 20 year olds. Like, they'll be able to give her something. She's got stamina. She's got stamina. Madonna's got stamina, girl. And I do. She's it girl forever and always She's the best She's the pop star of our generation Of every generation Like she She can do it I know she can do it I'm really excited for this album I am And it's not like Kind of a lot of other pop stars That are currently sort of Catering to like The club Yeah she's not coming back And being like Hey cunty mama Here's to slay Well no I disagree I love the gays Gay gay gay No she is She fucking is She's done a Grindr collab Yeah but she can do but she's madonna right that's what i mean she's earned it there's yeah there's multiple people she invented this babe she she was voguing like come on like she came back yeah i thought sorry i'm more meant that like i believe i believe that she is at the parties did you hear her yesterday at the abbey where she was like do something gays i was like oh so good she's not like come on my favorite community she's like move faggots like oh it's so good it's not like it's not like everyone else now like you know anne hathaway on the devil wears prada press drunk are going like oh you can't get me off the dance floor it's like there's that video of anne hathaway have you seen it for the mother mary press and she sat with twigs and it's like mikaela cole i think mikaela cole's there mikaela cole and halfway in twigs and they said list you're like mount rushmore this gay ass question is like you're mount rushmore of like pop icons and she does who does she do she does um it's not fiona apple tori amos someone else and then she says bjork and honestly you should see twigs twigs literally turns around to her like that when she says bjork is like like it's just it's like okay me when i lie do you know what i mean it's so crazy maybe she's real but like steven nordstrom yeah magical clouds but yeah i believe that madonna because she's 67 and she's still singing about being in the club and finding and she probably is feeling peaceful around strangers I buy it I think she's the same as Bjork like Bjork is always in the club she's always raving our Bjork but also maybe you need to look after your kids you can do both you can do both yeah you can do both but I yeah I don't think there's a need from Madonna to know like she doesn't need to prove herself with the gays she knows they've got her and we do but how do you feel about her clearly she's she's catering to the gays fine because she's done it.

19:28But she's not catering to the gays because she did Confessions Part 1. She gave the gays what they needed 20 years ago. She's just like, I'm just coming back. She's not done. It's pre-orders through the Grindr app. Yeah, because that's what gays primarily are. Right, but Madonna - We can't be like pre-orders through Instagram, can it? Because that's just a regular pre-order. Can I read you the Grindr.com blog post about the launch? Bitch, it's Madonna. Mother's on the grid and she's taking over the gayborhood. The gayborhood. I do hate though, I'll say one thing. Madonna actually is encountered in this, but when they're like, mother's back.

20:09It's like, mother? When were you ever mother? How many mothers can we have? Yeah, how many mothers? Like, realistically, the mothers in the world right now, Madonna, fine. She might be mother. Anne Hathaway. She is not mother. Lady Gaga's probably mother. Mother monster, always been. Beyonce, if she said I'm mother, though she wouldn't, but she is. Who else is mother? T.S. Madison's mother. J.K. Rowling. T.S. Elliot. T.S. Elliot. Transsexual Elliot. Winston Churchill. Mother.

20:45Margaret Thatcher. Mother. Don't want it to be. Angela Rayner. Mother. Not paying tax on a second home. Mother.

20:58who else is mother do you know who is mother who no genghis khan his mother you don't miss it no okay um do you want me to read you the can i actually i'm actually gonna guess what it says and then if any of these words are in it it's Yeah, I mean, it's... Mother's back on the cunting grid. Level 10 cuntquake. Rackles. Rackles. Rackles. Grindr app. Get up and squirt, jizzy gaze. You faggots. She's back. I know some of you are hung, but you're about to get hung up, Jezebel. Mother is back, biatch. Wipe it off your fucking chin. Yeah. Yeah.

21:55Okay. Bitch, it's Madonna. You basically got it. Bitch, it's Madonna. Mother's on the grid and she's taking over the gayborhood. Gayborhood. An icon enters the chat. Don't just stand there. Let's get to it. Nobody knows the dance floor better than Madonna. For decades, Madonna has defined the sound and spirit of the gay dance floor. True. True. Her music has brought us together and her allyship has never been a moment. It's been constant. The material girl has always stood with us. Our unapologetic bitch, ray of light, and ultimate bad girl. She's still leading from the front, setting the tone, and shaping the culture.

22:35Bringing her latest album, Confessions 2, to the very heart of the community, serving fearless dance anthems, unfiltered exclusive content, and immaculate moments built just for us on her terms. Are you ready? Grindr is one of the few brand partners hand-selected by the OG mother to officially partner on the release of Confessions 2. Starting today, Madonna will be taking over the app and bringing our community into her world just in time for Pride season. Oh, girls. I actually do hate anyone saying mother. I hate it. Is mother over? Well, it's the same. Now this is, we're moving on, but we're slightly in the same vein.

23:14Mother comes from ballroom, right? Yeah. It comes from like black and brown, trans women usually, and like gay communities, like underground communities and now everyone's adopting their thing. Do you know what I really hate? There's a GK Barry, I'm calling you out. I love you, GK Barry. Yeah! Okay! Right, get in, Bill. I've really wanted to talk about this, GK Barry. So bad. I love GK Barry and also love anyone that like goes no podcast beef she's a lesbian and anyone that wants like and it gets an opportunity to like get their bag up take it like i'm very pro this but it's the like querification of anything corporate where it's like mother contrast blah blah blah and now it's it's kind of going past like just queer lexicon it's now going into like general like youth culture and stuff like that but they're doing it wrong it's wrong so gillette she's the face of like venus gillette she's face of like a razor and she's like bumpy skin she's in a yoga studio and at the end she gave gives her razor to somebody like queen yeah yeah queen you've got bumpy skin faggot bitch and then gives her a razor so she takes a razor and at the end she turns around to the camera and she goes it's giving smooth you can't say that that's not how you use it's giving it's giving is metaphorical if it's it's giving smooth you'd say it's giving baby's bottom because that's something that you say it's funny like oh like it's giving smooth it can't this it gives iphone it's giving laptop it's giving sue it's giving orange like this is giving don't look at me or like it's giving velvul underground yeah it's giving tom ford it's giving smooth yeah of course it is my love so it's just like and it's just like so many people that has gone to it's also oh thank you thanks for having me i'm just as you guys are talking about like the madonna cuntification of it all i was like it's not just grinder who are saying mother bitch cunt and also they kind of can because it is mother bitch cunt but and we're not coming for gk barry we're coming for the copyright yeah we love gk barry and nor are we coming for um gillette no we are we are yeah i don't know but he's just gone through multiple games and it's I'm coming to him what's that guy?

25:33Tom Grennan yeah bye Tom Grennan but it's just so bad it's like that's you're using it wrong and I like people just must be like honestly people in the ballroom seem just must be watching things like that like it's giving smooth like are you fucking stupid me and Bill when we first saw it we were like what the fuck this perfectly segues into my but I was like I'm not sorry Sorry, I'm sorry. No, no, no. I'm so sorry. No. Let's just stay on it. But also, no, no, no. But the final bit is like, GK Barry, like, you must know that that's not, like, if they're like, oh, and then we say it's giving smooth, I'd literally just be like, it's not giving smooth, is it?

26:10We need to say something else. Anyway, whatever. And you would. And I would. Yeah. I'm not just going to take the bag and just say something stupid. Yeah. That's just like when Kesha comes out and she's like, mother is back. Yeah. When you do Harry's razors. Yeah, when I do, yes. when I do have these razors I'm like it's giving Michael Jackson smooth criminal tease smooth criminal tease well I can't be bothered to talk about why music biopics are dead oh we don't need to Michael Jackson film just looks shit the Whitney Houston one Amy Winehouse one it's been done it's done I don't anything to add yeah but no this it's giving smooth yeah perfectly segues into uh this week's episode of straight dystopia yes straight cis women yeah using the word trade oh i could go on about this for hours trade take it from me a straight cis man who's often accused of queer baiting yeah trade right and this is pop quiz right this is making sure if I'm paying attention.

27:16You know what it is. Okay. Trade is when you're shagging, when you're gay and you shag someone who is closeted, right? And they're DL. So trade actually - I got it wrong. No, no, no. It's close. Trade actually, it kind of started there and then immediately went to like boyfriend and whatever the internet's made it. Trade is, again, because it's from black trans culture, is a black straight giving man, I think. It's like it's fucking the girls, but DL yeah, all the guys yeah, it's like trade is like it's like I'm dating It's like right straight guy. Yeah, and I think a lot of I've seen a video of like a lot of black people being like Yeah, it's about black people right about like it's not like you can't have like Craig from down the road He's got a mustache lives in Hackney wick is why and I'm like trades giving Craig Craig's giving trade Like no, he's not like no.

28:09He's not he's not eggs giving trade at Cray and Hackney where yeah, it's just like oh and then these yeah and then people are like they were like honestly because i don't even use trade oh she's fucking trade no she's not no she's not she's not it's like i don't know it's it's the same thing as giving smooth it's the same thing as like mother it's like you're so fucking wrong right so wrong you're so it's gone so far the other way and i know that's how it goes and everyone's like let people use that and it's like but you don't even know what you're saying but you don't know what you're saying i personally don't mind trade's crazy there's like yeah trade is a specifically bad example why do you want to use that also if you're like a straight girl it's like you can say anything you don't even know what you're saying you could say it's giving yeah you could say slay yeah you could say cunty like it's just like but even con i remember when michael aldag name and shame him was like can i give con no no you can't you're a straight white man cunt comes from being fish being cunty having a cunt looking woman looking femme fresh cunt like that comes from cunt you can't be cunt because you're not because you're a mum like please please cross eyes i know it just makes me sick like there are just times where it's like and then people like yes of course you can't be con no you can't you can't and that's okay but trade specifically trade is bad because i'm not trade because trade is it's just as much as about it's about having to keep like it makes stuff quiet even make you don't have to keep your hinge date quiet it's like yeah and it even makes you whenever like even people with the trans community like when people always trade i was like you're fucking a guy from new cross who goes goldsmiths and has glasses he's not trade he's just not trade like and has like poly pansexual in his bio like you're fine yeah you're not fucking trade you can kiss in public and nobody gives you're fucking a guy yeah you're just fucking some guy yeah it yeah it drives me who's a bit dodgy yeah not even you're just fucking like a liberal yeah guy from new cross New Cross yeah it's like regen exactly like it's just like who listens to like what's it called Claro and Black Midi do you know what I mean bm bm bm anyway that's that but yeah it drives me insane that whole thing trade seeing like girls the worst bit was I saw this video the other day of like this like young white girl she was like 18 19 and she was like if you're over 25 using words like trade and giving and slay like you need to grow up it's like you don't even know you're born you don't even know where that comes from you just think it's like some young term coined by you's lot it's like oh my god like know your history and i don't mean to be that girl that's like know your history but like please at least have an inkling of where it comes from sounds like she was just you know what i mean but like this this uh gay man absolutely cleared her like cleared her gathered her babe and it's like it's not that we're putting 18 year olds 19 year was down but it's like you actually don't know what you're saying and I think there's a huge amount of privilege that like has come from that it's like it's like lingo and language that like isn't yours and like that's okay if you want to use it but use it correctly right okay so I have a hot take yep oh yeah who which he told bill earlier and Tommy to come my ears and bill was really taken aback bill was like we could talk about this for an hour okay but I don't want to i don't want to you know set expectations too high is it easier being a gay man in 2026 than being a straight man yeah we could probably talk about that do you want to do you want to hear my my reasons um would you want to go first i think they're the same sorry i think they're the same and i think i was actually having this conversation i can't remember i was having it with but i think there's a lot of like it's really difficult obviously it's probably harder to be a gay man because there are horrible straight people everywhere but i think the we're starting to see this notion of like gay men being like transphobic and then they're just they're just as bad as a straight man i think okay what's your take my take is okay that it is being easier being a gay man than a straight man um because no small man complex yep trust there is really okay good start yeah you can be fat and hairy yes and it's good yeah that's fine uh you don't have to pretend to like football yeah uh good music taste fair uh you're probably more likely to be funny which affords you great privileges in life yeah um and it's easier to shag if you're in a city and you're on grinder no we're really thinking i know we're not sponsored by grinder no i do agree i'd love to be though but like i do agree i do think it is easy for gay men because gay men know how to read other men just as much as that whole thing of like grinder i've said it before that there couldn't be a grinder for like straight people because men would just kill women whereas like men know how men act so they all act accordingly because men actually most straight men just fancy men yeah and it's the same thing is like when a straight man's i'm gonna shag that girl and tell all my mates about it i'm like you might as well just shagged your mates do you know what i mean like i don't know i think so in ways is what gay men do which they yeah which no but then i think gay men yeah we do whereas with gays like it's obviously i don't think it is as easier but i think it's less i don't know maybe i don't actually i think with gay people they especially with gay men who are interested in men and like like men and they're all like i think they admit and submit to the fact that men are the worst people in the world but then i do also think that forms some sort of nihilism yes but i do also think there is a nihilism and almost a masochism in the gay community where they are actually so deeply hurt and bothered by like their earlier life because it is tough growing up being gay um that uh all of them have got like complex issues with like trauma and also with um like no one wants to get everyone's like why doesn't anyone a gay date and i'm like because all of you are really hurt inside and you don't want anyone to get close and that's why everyone has 13 boyfriends each do you know what i mean um and i would like to clarify that i don't actually think it's oh yeah i know um but i just thought of the fat and hairy thing yeah and then i that's probably right and then i thought of the small man complex thing which i'm intrigued to hear you say that gay men do have small man complexes because i think yeah i think all men can have a small man complex small man complex being what um i think it's sometimes more dangerous in gay men because you think you're safe from away from that but some gay men have it and then you're not safe and then it's like oh my god i'm being like so small man complex to me is like someone who is literally a smaller man yeah uh and thus not all small men have this but um some sort of kind of overcompensate for it and are sort of like over eager to kind of assert themselves whether it's physically or just like interpersonally in conversation or in any sort of like power dynamic they are yeah basically overcompensating for a lack of height um i think what's even more dangerous is gay men who are ashamed of being gay and then that's almost like the gay that's the gay version of a small man i'm looking for a boyfriend not a girlfriend right and then it's like and then they're like i don't like any type of femininity i don't like this i don't like that and then there's all these rules that small men have because they have all these opinions about what a woman should be and what like women should do for them i think it's the same with like gay people i should have a boyfriend like that guy that we reviewed at one time that's like this is a page for people who are interested in men that aren't gay it's like you're gay like okay if you don't like rainbow flag yeah yeah or fucking in public with fists join my cult do you know what i mean like okay okay but what if in what about in the romantic arena of uh well i think gay men what gay men have done almost what i was saying earlier is i think they've got themselves things like grinder and sniffies where they fully submit to the fact that like gay men want to shag and like um and men in general want to shag i think yeah i think there's a i don't know what i'm properly saying i just don't want to offend anyone but i think there's like you know like cruising such thing in the gay community which is a wonderful thing that like can't be done within the straight community because again like it's safety and stuff but you're like submitting to the fact that like you love men i don't know it's really weird no but would do you think a gay man would ever get calf lengthening surgery yes really he probably was the first to get it okay like it doesn't stop like is it like i know people are interested in bears but when people aren't interested in bears they're really not interested in bears so what it is in like the gay communities i mean can you remember no fats no fems no asians that was like the whole like kim chi from drag race had a song called fat feminine asian because people in like on grinder will say what they want or don't want it's incredibly racist it's incredibly fat phobic it's incredibly like sizes ages whatever like so people in their bio instead of it's not like it doesn't exist in the gay community it does exist if not harder because people won't even let you get close no feminine people no asian people know this type of person like yeah this ethnicity like this like it's so bad okay um and i know people are into bears but when someone's into bears they're only interested in bed you know i mean it's almost like it almost sometimes within the gay community feels even more segregated in a weird way.

38:14God. I know. That was meant to be a fun segment. Yeah, sorry. No, no, no. It was good for me. I need to be educated. That's what Straight Lea's about. So, Sue, it's on everybody's lips right now. Yeah. There's a sort of kind of muted fear about holidays to European destinations and I swear this summer... No, I literally am panicking. ...not going through. Drew, you've obviously got Primavera. I'm panicking Skywalker.

38:46But we have a segment powered by Train Fine, the private security firm committed to keeping British train journeys safe, clean and fair to bring you guys alternative British holidays due to potential flight cancellations. Kicking us off, we've got Manchester, which is brilliant for a night out. We've got Great Yarmouth. There's a sea there. We've got Margate, which we can pretend is nice and not a dystopian illustration of the culture war and class war all in one hideous beach. We've got Glasgow. You could drop a pill there. The Salkham Lobotomy Experience. Unwind to the sound of boat engines roaring through your skull in a Jack Willsian dystopia.

39:37we've got the London dungeon experience kind of scare the shit out of yourself in London for like 50 pounds per head Lost Village there's actually nothing to say on Lost Village because I hated doing that I hate Lost Village the most awful weekend possibly of my life what else can I say Skagness go if you want okay but on a serious note chelsea chelsea

40:12chelsea molotov a jimmy fairly

40:19molotov the ivy molotov bluebird cafe have you ever been to bluebird yeah really my ex-boyfriend's family used to love it there because they're like proper like um tried to show off with money yeah god wait uh last x or yeah last one wow so he'd go there for lunch to meet his family was it any good uh it was fine okay bit bit kind of all fart no poo it was nice i really liked his parents they were nice okay oh if you're listening um on a more serious note if you were gonna say um flights were cancelled and you were going to go on a British holiday. And you can't say Sky. Okay, yeah. Where would you go?

41:04Where are like your sincere suggestions? Mine is the Peak District. Yeah, fine. That's near Derby, isn't it? Yeah, I love it there. Buzz me. E-Dale. I want to go to E-Dale. E-Dale. Oh, that was one of the houses at school. E-Dale, Montsall, Lafkill and another one. Really? Dovedale. Dovedale. Yeah. That's in the peaks as well? Where is Dovedale?

41:29Where would I go? Sussex Do you know what I actually like Because it's a bit sleepy But I like it in winter Because it's a bit dead I do like Scarborough Can't lie Never been to Scarborough Tell me about Scarborough It's just a bit like Of a run down seaside town But you can really romanticise it In winter I think Okay And go to like a tea room With your mum But not in summer Because it's rammed or Yeah yeah Because then it becomes Like an actual tourist destination It's a bit boring Yes But it feels dreamy to me Where would I go? Whitby? Never been Whitby Apparently it's gorgeous Yeah it's busy babe Is it?

42:01Busy busy boots Apparently beaches in the northeast are spectacular I'd probably go North Wales probably Redcar Where Raheem Redcar's from of course Is Raheem Redcar done? Are we now back to Christine and the Queen's? Yeah I know I don't know I think Christine and the Queen's went so arty That they kind of sent their own send off No shade It used to be so sick I am actually good I was listening to it the other day and like I was watching a live performance of Levi Turnover Yeah and then you put that Charlie XCX Lollapalooza clip up and then I sent you the video of Pop 2 show with Charlie and Sophie singing Lip Gloss and AJ Cook in the back with the bowl car Perfume Genius was there that night there were so many people backstage I swear everyone was like no no no backstage there were so many people backstage at that gig Ginger Sophie Ginger Sophie Bolka AG Fab Red Dip Die Charlie Sophie Problem Yeah Problem So good Yeah I sweat through all of my clothes that night I've never gone that hard again How much were you wearing?

43:07Like a jacket And like jeans Like it was like I was damp when I left Like I was soaking Like it was like fully drugged up I've never gone so hard at a club Like it felt like you're gonna faint After every song It was fucking amazing It did look lit I watched that whole pitchfork performance it's amazing back to front she's so good she's so good she's the best ever uh what was just take us back to that night who are you with i was with italia lucy james was there as well we were all at uni we're all kind of like fresh mates it was 2018 or 2019 it was at village underground i remember being in the queue and knowing absolutely everybody pushing in the queue getting told off by one of my fake friends because i went with them and they were like everyone's gonna do drugs you can't do drugs and i was like watch um and yeah and they kicked off at me so i went and stood my other friends in the queue and went in with them because they didn't want to skip the queue and stand with these people that do drugs so i was like fuck that i'm gonna stand with people that do drugs and then we all went and did drugs and had a key it was so good gorgeous and i remember she did taxi and everyone was gagged because she really didn't play taxi live and she did taxi and everyone lost it girls night out as well and this was before they were all like re-released like They were all like leaked.

44:18Oh, it was amazing. And Lit Glass. Who else did she bring up that night? So many people. God, I can't even think. Oh, it was amazing. Hannah Diamond or some shit at that time. Yes, Paradise. Yeah, I filmed that as well. Oh, it's so good. Tonight, we're in Paradise. I've been watching a lot of YouTube live performances of Just the Greats. Yeah. And it's so fun. Did you watch my South Bank performance? Is that on YouTube? Yeah. Is it? The whole few minutes of it, yeah. On your channel or on South? Yeah, right, on mine. We're in paradise I did not know that Guys I've just announced My new single Not in love Just so you could pre Oh it'll be out By the time this It's out this Thursday My project's finally coming out It'll be out in June We're gonna do a gig We're gonna do multiple gigs I've asked Louis To play one of the gigs Whether he says yes or no June 9th They've changed the date It'll be a bit later So that we can actually do it Okay great I've already said yes Oh yay Louis and me Played a gig together Well actually I haven't told the band Yeah it'll be like mid June Okay Well maybe get a date first Okay I have got the date But I'm down Okay great Straight to even meet up Um Any other Any other business Anglesey Anglesey Anglesey Wales Yeah yeah yeah Go to Wales Wales is gonna have a moment Everyone's on an island I love Wales It's gonna be cool to be Welsh In two minutes So invest now And claim you've got Welsh heritage When you don't really I do I do My mum's from Barry Farmhouse Soho farmhouse no that's gonna be booked up girl yeah um do we want I've got 10 more comments that's nice oh people really like me that's so nice I love it when people like you oh yeah sorry other straight dystopia again sorry this is aimed at women Calling yourself a siren I've never seen that Is that a thing that straight people do?

46:21I think it's like a mythological creature Yeah, it's a siren by Shy Girl It's something like Pixie Girls do You're not a siren, you're just wearing a sort of Like last dinner party dress Alright Where have they gone? Oh my god, Janelle Francis They're supporting someone massive On tour, Samba Are they? Whoa How wild is that