muay thai, harry's fine, berlin nein

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1:09Welcome. How are you doing, sir? I'm good, yeah. How are you, Lou? Good. Sweating out the toxins. Yeah. Are you not well? You said you didn't sleep last night. Just... drank for too long in Mexico. Yeah, yeah. What's water? and um like you know when you have like demonic sleep and you like wake up it's part jet lag and it's part alcohol definitely yeah wake up and you're just sweating yeah and you can just smell oh yeah booze on you is that when you suck someone's dick and they're doing like ketamine you can taste it on it's exactly like that actually it's exactly like that um but yeah i did uh also speaking of sweating i did a muay thai class last night Moita Kick to the Face.

1:56That's straight culture, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Moita Kick to the Face is Skepta or Big Nasty? I think it's Big Nasty. Okay. Did you see Thingy died? Dot Rotten. Yes. Awful. I don't, to be honest, didn't really know Dot Rotten. I know Dot Rotten because he was on a Cher Lloyd song. Really? Yeah. Dub on the track. And Getz was on it as well? Getz was on it. And did you see what happened to Getz? 12 years Fucking hell I mean I'm so sorry But like He's had multiple charges For drunk driving Has he? Beyond this People are saying He's had like I don't know whether it was for drunk driving I think it was But like drinking under influence He's had like 12 He was drunk driving He was doing 60 Have you seen the video?

2:39I didn't want to watch it Don't watch it But it was He's like I don't know how to say it It just absolutely floors him Like it's insane Really? Yeah it's crazy And especially London like you know in London I kind of see people driving like they like there's a 20 and they're driving down the street so they'll speed up and slow down it's so much quicker than that it's absolutely insane like it is fucking insane and he did a hit and run as well oh yeah I know he just carried on driving and the boy was like fresh to London like was an international student international student apparently like only there a few days got enough fucking shit to deal with I know it's so big your criticisms first and foremost what for international students see what I think No.

3:20I think it's international students. I don't hate international students. Brexit means Brexit. Fuck off. That is not true. But I think that, yeah, low-key, you took a kid's life. You deserve more than 12 years. I'm sorry. Because also 12 years in the UK means six years. Ooh. Ooh. Well, it's some bad behavior, but you won't because he's got a family. Obviously, I know that he has a family and stuff, but then you've also just ruined someone else's family. So it's like, well, I mean, it literally doesn't matter what I think. but like he clearly got good lawyers to get 12 years because he fucking killed a child he murdered someone and ran away and it was filmed like there was no yeah and it's driving and he also had so many offenses before this apparently really and everyone's like saying that that matters apparently and if it was somebody else that wasn't gets like they probably got much longer yeah um anyway uh at risk of becoming uh the straight diva grime report yeah um yeah i did a muay thai class last night and it was um the first time i've done such a thing uh since uni yeah i went for a bit at uni that's why you can kick good in it oh yeah yeah because i've got good hips yeah i've always said that uh um and it was really funny it was like it kind of felt like um did you have any sports teachers at school who would like okay like did you ever get leathered by a sports teacher at school what you'd fight a sports teacher no no no no no god no just like shouted at berating Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

4:46They all shouted. Nick Lomas, who was the head of year as well. And he was the one that I walked, do you know that Debbie Ryan thing where it's like, I walked straight into the head of Disney Channel and I said, I want to make history. That was me, but saying, I'm not going in the boys' group. I remember going in and being like, there's no way I'm going in the boys' group. And he was like, but I feel like you shouldn't. And I was like, I feel like I really shouldn't. And he let me in the girls' group. So we actually ate with that one thing. Yeah. But I think I got supposed to treat because of my dad.

5:08Because I used to get my dad in to do like, do you know when you used to get like sports personality to go to like hand over yeah yeah do a talk all and like yeah and hand over like the medals to like the sporty kids and the best thing was all the people that used to call me fag would then go into the sports thing getting called footballer of the year and shaking hands with my dad i was like fag meet my fag dad like how were you feeling when he was um doing like present at the school like i think we were very really good especially everything that like my dad did at the time just bawling out yeah but like he was on tv a lot my dad's not that famous but like on tv flat as much as a cricketer could be on like local tv like derbyshire tv he basically got them up the league and they haven't been up what was the derbyshire paper called oh what brilliant question i did the chad was the local so he was like on that yeah yeah but he but yeah he so he was in that so i'd get people always saying to me like Did you see your dad was on TV?

6:04And he's like, no No No But we did a really good thing of being kids And like pretending we didn't give a fuck And we still don't I think my brother tries to give a shit these days But we really don't It's like when my mum came into school With Anton Dubak to do a dance And you're just like this Me and my classmates No, I was one of the judges Oh yeah, you did Four tens Yeah, period You should have given a nine just to Just to fuck it up Just to humble her Yeah um but no that i did like being back in this there's something sort of um is it masochistic yeah about enjoying being berated by someone i think like why people like personal trainers yeah like come on fucking give me 10 more so what you're saying is you're submissive yeah exactly um he came over to me at one point i went with my friend henry um and we were doing the clinch and I was gripping Henry's head and we were trying to work out this move and the clinch yeah I know I heard it I'm just saying it again well no but it's not clenching your ass no I know it's clenching somebody else anyway I'm clinching Henry and when you clinch I'm gripping the back of his head submissive ones and then he's like you hold his head like that Might as well bring him a bunch of fucking flowers, mate.

7:29I'm like, I just burst out laughing. He's looking at me like, why the fuck are you laughing? I was like, this is like being back at school. This is a joke, yeah. You just turn around to him, you are a joke. You are a joke. And it made me think that like those lashings, verbal lashings from teachers when you're young prepare you for like shouting matches. I could not disagree more. Really? When teachers shout at me, honestly, I was so... You're just laughing. No, I'd just take it. I'd be like, okay, because I'd just rather you not fucking shout at me. Yeah. I can shout all we want, all day. No, no, no.

8:03Completely agree. But when teachers would think, I wouldn't even fight back. I was like, you are actually so boring. This is so like... I'm a Miss Drake, my maths teacher. She just wanted to start shouting. It's like, chill, Miss Drake. Yeah, yeah. Just chill. But don't you think... You don't think it prepared you for shout matches later down the line? No, because I was already shouting with my parents every day. My mom's a shouter. My mum is a shouter girl Well okay I got it from You just like sit there And then she just starts screaming You just like Oh you just like Look at Millie Like oh girl She's doing it again Oh Millie Bless you darling But yeah he's also This new Muay Thai coach of mine He's also a podcaster Okay Which is obviously the reason I know he's kind of She's just five Oh Sophie's guffed But I also do have like The smell of like I'm such a talented smeller Really?

8:54I can smell things Like a dog. Yeah, like a real... I've been saying that. Yeah. He has this podcast, and I followed him on Instagram, and he has this one clip where he delivered one of my all-time favourite bars that I've ever heard. Yeah. They're talking about addiction and how they got into fighting, classic, like... Classic. Classic male, tortured male path from drugs to fighting. Yeah. And then he asks his guest, was it like, was it harder to stop or to stay stopping when he's talking about kicking the shit. Yeah. And I'm like, fuck, I can't, I can stop. It's to stay stopping, babe. Stay stopping.

9:33Yeah. That's my problem. Moona, stay away. Sue, can you stay stopping, Sue? Yeah, I'm really good at staying stopping. Really? I really get frustrated with people when they can't stay stopping. I stay stopping so hard that like when I do it again, it's actually disgusting. Cigarettes is a good case study. Did I try to smoke a few cigarettes in Berlin? Vile. Really? I can't smoke cigs anymore. I've really done it for myself. Menthols? No. I go to hell. I got some I don't even want that like genuinely it was that bad like I couldn't finish my cig I never really want to smoke I just can't just before we move to Berlin I want to ask you oh dreadful place but did get recognised yay yay so shout out to you he was like I love your show I was like period do you think you just went to Berlin to see if you get recognised my favourite thing though is it always I always get recognised in front of our nephews and it makes me feel fierce So Joe, because I know Joe will be listening Bill's sister Every time we're out We get recognised And I think that's fun Ultimately also, I'm running to your friends Sorry, you said one more thing before Berlin Sorry I interrupted you Well, I'm intrigued By how you said I'm good at staying stopping Because you are good in one sense But also, you have said to me before Yeah that you're like I'm an alcoholic yeah which I think is I think is not true I don't think that's true actually but you've also said that like in a long term do me way yeah that you are you think you'll have a problem with booze like the thing is I do but it happens every summer and then it gets like September but I'm so sick of being drunk I just stop for ages yeah true and I just get so sick of being sober so I just drink yeah yeah I think booze is something that will just always be there I'm not trying to There's so much in my life and so much like mentally and like therapist wise, I've tried to like stop and I really look at and I just think alcohol is not one.

11:30I know that I don't get pissed out drunk that I'm like fainting, being sick. Right, blackout. Being sick, probably. You have a sensitive stomach. Yeah, yeah. It's fine. But like pissing myself, I don't get blackout. I don't get embarrassing. Like even when we did like the other day at Cafe Kicking got absolutely wasted. It was like, that was like the first time, last time for a long time. Do you know what I mean? So you'll go to rehab, but for sugar? Yeah, probably. I probably won't go to rehab because they're all losers. Because you're all weaklings. And I'm only saying that because I've been with two drug addicts in my life.

12:03And I'm honestly so checked out of it. I really hope you find it. But I can't give you the support that you need. Because I had to go to Al-Anon and figure out for myself that I can't save anyone. Sophie, stop trying to... I'm only saying weaklings because it was a really bad joke. No one's weakling. No one's a weakling I hope you find peace in that but away from me Yeah I've already done it Okay well on that note Of being a weakling Weakling drug addict, how was Berlin? Kidding I went to Berlin For four days to see the fam See The in-laws Me and Bill aren't married But Bill's family was there?

12:47Yeah, Bill's sister and brother-in-law are they're working out there for four months wow yeah i thought it was just you two no no no no so we met them out there who's bill who's bill so bill is this guy who i'm loving sucking his cocky um check in bill is my wife and we went there it is so boring in balloon guys i can't believe it and the thing is i was like this can't be the balloon that everyone's going on about right so after we saw the family had like a few days to ourselves i couldn't believe this is a berlin that you lot are all going to i genuinely genuinely i love it i think if i went back to berlin to play a show some people mentioned me like well you should just come back and play a show i was like ain't me up there i will come and do that and if i went if i was going with friends and there was a point like you know like we were going to go to berlin for a few days there was a show on or like you know or there's a bunch of people that they know they were going to take us out to their favorite spots 100 % get as a city there is nothing to see and don't start because your louis was like have you not gone to la maison it was just a cafe it was like girl you you were like have you not been to this cafe i'm like babe i could broadway market is full of just that if not and also there was so much worse than anything on broadway market i was like girl and at least like you know balona like paris like even bulgaria like there's architecture that like is wild and like you know or you walk down it's so different from berlin was like london if it was just like shit it honestly so bad and i'm so sorry because i guarantee there's loads of berlin livers here and like literally someone was like i love the people that they're like oh my god this is amazing you're brilliant i just can't imagine and i didn't go out so that's also a thing i'm not a clubber so like this this could be a part of berlin yeah but i don't think you need to go out i think i I think drinking there definitely improves it.

14:39I don't think you need to go out to a club. Holy fucking hell. Exactly, Sean and Dickhead ones. You want heat or something? No, Sean and Dickhead ones. Sorry, I love women. But I don't think you need to go... Sophie, get off, man. Sorry, the cat's pissed me off today. Sophie's clawing me. For audio listeners out there, Sophie's been a cunt. I don't think you need to go out to a club and take a load of drugs in Berlin to have a good time I do think going to the bars definitely or like at night it is we did do that it just wasn't too we were going out to clubs and bars and also it was this bit where we said we were playing in Charlottenburg and everyone was like see that's where you went people are trying to prove me wrong chill out we went everywhere we really went everywhere I walked the whole of Berlin it never got good no shade and like it never got fucking good and then everyone was like oh yeah you're in the posh bit yeah where yeah yeah I can't wait to see the posh bit girls like girl it is not my tease like genuinely okay I love a city break as well there was nothing to see even went to that big stick thing and I went to like the radio tower thing and you just kind of like stand there and like are they not the same thing no there's two there's one like monument that has like gold on it and that and then they're like the big archers yeah it was just you didn't get a picture of the two world leaders kissing at the Berlin Wall no everyone does that I'm trying to think of something astounding so I want to defend myself first of all because anyone who knows La Maison this cafe that I suggested to Sue will go like ha you suggested the most London place Sue was texting me at this point like I can't stand it I'm having a terrible time So I was like, what would give you comfort right now?

16:34Yeah. A nice cafe and a canal. Yeah. I was like, just let's go back to basics right now. Yeah, no, you're right, you're right. And that usually does it for me, girls. But you are right in that it is probably just what you can get on your doorstep. Yeah. But not as good. But worse. The reason I like Berlin is, but I would disagree with you. I do like the architecture. I do like walking. I do like just walking down the streets. Okay. of Neukölln and Friedrichschein. But I also know that like when you walk down some of these roads, it is so, if you're walking down like main roads, especially in Berlin, and it's like super developed, super corporate, super, yeah.

17:17I felt like there was no like, and it was dreadful, but like, you know, in London you have like town, you have like central, and then you have like South Kensington, which is like pot, and then you have like Notting Hill, which is posh but kind of like shopping and you have like you know obviously you have like hackney which is like cafe and then you have like shoreditch which is like market kind of thing like i feel like there's such like differentiation it's the same with like paris and stuff i just think like in berlin like they're like do you wanna you can kind of kind of go here and there's like a good thing here like maybe like a good vintage shop but it's not like there's 14 different vintage shops in that area it's like one vintage shop and then you go to the other side of berlin to another one like it made no sense and i actually do think and i am just gonna gag people out now but i actually do think it's for people who actually just think they're fucking different and they actually find they actually find themselves being like yeah i'm fucking lobelin i'm like why yeah why you just because you don't live in the uk and you just think you're different i'm so sorry like i think it's so boring well so boring i can't i genuinely that's the thing that is like gagged me out is i genuinely cannot believe that that is a place that people are like talking about i can't believe it I think.

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19:03You're really hurting me today. Sue's on smoke. Yeah, she's really hurting. Maybe she needs an ounce of clue. I'm still recording. Fab. Sue, I see you. I hear you. Yeah. holding space for you um my only retort i i get you that there isn't that much to do unless you are partying yeah or if you like going to art galleries which you or if you love like the history of like lib like germany or like that shit the war and that um so also this is like I also went and there's a tranny like don't get me wrong I'm I can sometimes give brick I was wearing like men's clothes like don't do not get me wrong but like I was having my tits I was wearing like my Caperni shirt so you could see my boobs like whatever I go into a toilet on my first night I go to the toilet and some man shouts at me when I come out of the toilet yeah because it's like why are you in the girls but in German and I was like girl this is not my place this is not the liberal place you say it is sorry people are getting I heard people getting pissed on and shit people are sending me like sex clubs I was like, well, girl, you're hitting that so well.

20:13I feel like it was like, do you know with like Amsterdam or like other like liberal countries or like liberal places, like LA's like and like New York, people are kind of like none of my issue kind of thing. I felt with Berlin, like I've never been. Bear in mind, I look really boring this weekend. Like I really did. I felt like everyone was just kind of like looking. Like, and I was like, I thought this was the place where people are like in latex and like fierce. I don't know. It just, it really, honestly, I think there is a part of me where I felt like, not sad but i was like this is not the place that people are saying it was and i was going to the places where people like you should go here yeah and occasionally to see a gay in a bomber and be like work for sure no i could definitely agree with that i think outside of like in general berlin and germany more widely as if i've been to germany but i have one of my best friend lives there germany outside of berlin and even within berlin is like very not just um not as progressive as like the the image that we get of berlin but like as you point out like even in somewhere like america or the uk yeah maybe where it's like people don't agree like people might like go like oh my god why is um why is a woman in the man's toilets yeah yeah like they would unless they're fucked they would keep it to themselves yeah in germany sometimes there is like this um sort of uh need for like order that they like they will if someone has a problem with something they will tell like yeah and it's it's a very weird i think it almost is the opposite of what I feel I felt not safe I felt less safe no sorry not safe I don't want to say it's safe because I didn't feel like unsafe in Berlin at all but I feel like Berlin is like the typical thing of like it's like it's not giving like middle class maybe but it gave like it gave everything just like really mid and like I felt safe not safe the words not safe but like in Bulgaria I feel more like yeah I'm more chilling in Bulgaria like Bulgaria is like realistically if you look at bulgaria like with the anti like yeah gay laws and shit like that like that's crazy one it's not even anti-gay in bulgaria it's like people don't even think that gays exist you get less stared at in bulgaria than you're doing blue and i wasn't even dressed that different i was in jeans yeah like i don't know it was so weird no germany can be really backwards yeah it's like really i i just i just think people make out especially people from london who moved to blinn like they make out that it's this like haven and it just it's not and I think it shouldn't be sold as that.

22:51It's just a, I think it's like a It's just a city. A microcosm of Berlin. Yeah, yeah. But I was trying to find the microcosm. Yeah. But it's all spread and weird and like. Well, and I think the microcosm is centred around Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to disrespect people. Yeah, exactly. And I think people have clearly found, yeah people have really clearly found community there. Well, and that's why people initially went there is because it was like it's always been an artistic city for sure so and then the rent was cheap so then like it became this really cool haven like a hub yeah yeah since then it's like become more and more expensive as has happened many times over history um so that now it like it is it doesn't it still has artists but it's not nearly as cheap so it slightly loses the i don't know practicality of it all i'm saying all this like love everyone in belin hope you're well yeah and like i'm i hope that you find what i couldn't find there and then also would love to go and play because people like you should go and play in belin so i was like absolutely and i'd love to go back for that but like i'd also like to say that that would only be the only reason i wouldn't go back for leisure or pleasure again they couldn't convince me i mean i go because my best friend zoe lives there yeah exactly love and i love seeing her and it's like you know when you have you know someone in a city it's like sure i'm just gonna hang out with her friends it's kind of like yeah she'll like take you around yeah that's exactly it that's the reason why i'd go but also yeah i i do think if you're not uh clubbing there or taking a shitload of drugs you can still have a good time but i say that as someone who has done that every single time yeah so hard for me to say and also it does have like a scary vibe to it yeah like the even though i do like some of the architecture there is something slightly spooky about when you walk around parts about not even to do with the people just the buildings yeah it's just not it's just not my place and i think i think the reason why i've been going on a bit so much is like even like going to like new york i felt the same about new york because i went to philly and new york at the same time like the same like oh yeah and i loved philly i loved it so much and then i went to new york and i was like oh my god this isn't my tease and i think there's like a part in my heart that breaks every time i go somewhere that like i'm told by everyone else or people assume every time i say i go to plin it's my first time people like it's your first time like i think it's the same thing like you didn't go to goldsmiths like i think people really really assume things about me and so when i do those things that people are like when people do those things when i do those things that people like that's obviously what you're gonna love and i don't love it like i think my heart breaks a little bit it's the same like New York where I went to New York and I was like this your girl?

25:41Like I couldn't believe it and I'm not yet giving up on New York, it wasn't that bad but Germany's gag me, goot me girl, like I can't believe, I can't believe But did you have that with London when you moved here? No, London still to this day and I know I complain about getting sick of it, blows my mind this is the best city ever, I'm so sorry I will die on this hill Every time I go somewhere I'm like fuck we're lucky we are so, like everyone in London all together let's hold hands and I know everyone like we don't always see eye to eye and people don't see eye to eye people in London and stuff and so forth but like it is the best city the green is green there's a lot of green as well in the city I feel like there's so many different examples of architecture I think there's so many examples of like communities and they all just coming together I felt like I felt gassed to get back to Stratford International after being on DLR after the flight fuck you were gassed to be back in Stratford International babe and just seeing that's how bad it was all like these different faces all these different nationalities clearly some gay people straight people whatever i was like this is my shit i had the same this is my shit like this is where i'm meant to be just like this like weird city in the uk that just bad people live in and no one really knows why i had the same thing coming back from mexico city where i was like i forgot how multicultural london was it's amazing because mexico is not actually it's pretty monocultural ethnically.

27:05I came back to London, I was like, holy shit. It's so nice. Yeah. We sound like a DLR advert, not a DFL advert. Yeah, yeah. This is our London. All of the ethnicities, it was absolutely gorgeous. No. No, but it is like, you know, just everyone. I just love it. Seeing like trannies in the street, like, and actually no one gives a fuck. Like, we are like so lucky. And even when I like, got shouted out by that man for coming out of the girls' toilets, I was just like, that shit actually wouldn't happen in London. like people wouldn't say anything like people look fine whatever but like people in london i think they kind of like respect your shit like that you respect theirs and i respect like do you know i mean yeah i don't know yeah so i think every time i go somewhere i'm like yeah fierce i think as i get older i'm realizing that if i go away like city breaks might not be my tea unless it's like a chill city like i think i am meant to just like go to like countryside yeah that's good you don't Just wait until, if you're ever single again, just wait.

28:03And then it will come back. Yeah, I won't. I'm never going to be single again. I'm kind of jealous of you because I came back from my holiday. And I was like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I've got a bug to be back. I'm feeling motivated. You uploaded a video on Instagram yesterday. I thought, go on, girl. She's got an accent on again. She's doing her thing. We're on smoke. People are loving it. Bring the accents out, play the fucking hits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do the Irish accent. I know I posted a thing when me and Bill did one yesterday as well. Thank you. That was good. So was yours. But I do think that if I didn't have, obviously it's a great privilege to be in the city where there is so much going on, whether it be musically or whatever the fuck this is.

28:54But I think if it wasn't for that, I would move abroad. But I feel like because of those things and because ultimately those things are my priority, there's nowhere better to be. Which, again, is like an advantage. But like... Like, I still believe I will leave London. Like, I will leave to move to the middle of nowhere. But past your prime. Yeah, but like, ultimately knowing that like... When you're hanging up your boots. Yeah, when I'm hanging up my boots. But like, ultimately knowing that like, I'd come back to London and it'd be the city that like, I gave like, my adult life to. Do you know what I mean?

29:27Yeah. I mean, there's nowhere better to be. There's not. There's nowhere better to apply. Wake it up. Potentially New York, but nobody would give a shit about us there. Yeah, potentially New York, but then it's just like, I think New York and London have the same attitude, but New York do it in a way that's like loud. Like, I feel like London's like, yeah, you do your shit. And a bit more competitive and cynical. Yeah, like with London, it's like, it's the same attitude being like, you do you, I'll do me. But I think New York's like, no, but you really fucking do you. And then it's like, move.

29:58but if you don't do you you fucked it like get out of the way like I whereas I London's like do you I literally don't care vibes vibes yeah and that's what we have to say about Berlin about Berlin I um I love that unless a brand wants to send me there for a straight divert and I would just like to shout out the Hoxton Hotel for being so kind I'm putting this up did you bus out the Lily Allen butt plug in Berlin no it's behind you it's behind me it's a USB so well it's also a butt plug yeah but uh did we no no no for sure um we've been seeing videos of lily allen's tour i think it looks fab and i also don't so you're the same as bill so this is it i think it looks fab you were told you were told you being the public we're told it's her gonna be performing the whole album from start to finish right that is a what a 40 minute album 50 minute album people are going and they're like gagged it it's not the exact master concert she literally said that's why she's doing the other shows she literally said that that's what it's going to be that's why there's a string quartet before playing all her hits on string quartet to get the crowd singing along act one and act two like the whole thing is i think done so well and so tastefully i can't understand why people are vex and also it's fucking illie allen i saw her when i was like 19 turning 20 missing was fucked running around this hang on where take take roundhouse roundhouse i I was 19.

31:24It was the day I was, it was my birthday. No, going into my birthday. So the day I turned 20, so my teen years were officially over. I went to see Lily Allen on the 18th of December. Pink hair. Pink hair. Yeah. Just stomping her on the stage. Clearly fucked up. Everything goes down the end of the concert for my, my shame. Was it that I tried everything, everything with trigger bang on it and all those songs. And then she closed the shot, the show by bringing that shy effects and doing rude boy. You look like a smoke. got no wee but don't got no rizzler i love it really boy you look like a smoker i love it um i thought that was fierce i thought the set design looked amazing i thought she looked amazing yeah she looks amazing choreography could we not have spent a little more time on the choreo yeah could we not have done a couple classes but then she's not but then i also think she's not louis spence when is lily allen ever bust a move do you know what I mean?

32:23True but then you know what it is you know what it is? Do you know what it is? I understand like everyone wants an apple dance moment I get it like everyone wants an apple dance and so I think that like the four chance stand is the one where she's like this and like like okay I get you it's never been Lily Allen's number one thing but then maybe don't do it but she's standing there looking beautiful and singing like you don't get mad at Adele for not busting a move for rolling in the deep do you? like we can't get mad at lilia no but no she doesn't okay right yeah that's what i'm saying don't do it then if you're gonna yeah if you're gonna do mid choreography yeah i understand don't do it because you don't need to do it okay but i i love it's we're in this kind of cool have you seen what they do during madeline uh no they put a spotlight on someone in the ground the first night in Glasgow I saw her on TikTok they put a spotlight yeah no it was a guy and a girl for one night and like they put it on them and like the guy commented on it because he's literally sat there like this and he's like the most like he looks like the most nervous guy like if it was me and you we'd be like you know what I mean but like it shines on these two people and they look fucking mortified and then there's a photo that their mate took that wasn't in it and they look like the shitter and he was literally like I've never shit myself so much my life the whole of madeline she's singing to you and you're sat there under a spotlight it's so funny quite genius but ultimately like i would i would die i could fucking die um i want to do a more general check-in which i think i'm already going to know your answer to yeah but when the lilian album came out west end girl i was arguing with my friends yeah that i thought basically their argument was it is only it is mainly interesting because it's like tabloid journalism it's like it's like the gossip and the like the rush of this reveal yeah and i was like i don't think that i think it will like last time exactly and at least in my personal experience I'm slightly you turning on that because I did listen to it quite a lot when it came out.

34:38Yeah. Haven't gone back to it at all. So I have gone back to it a lot. Okay. I have gone back to it a lot. Did you go back to specific songs or did you listen to the whole album? Don't listen to the whole album, specific songs. I understand what you're saying and I also feel like, I think it's, I actually, I mean, obviously I love Lily Allen so like it's whatever but I think the thing that really, I would love, a fraction of her success and talent. But she, like, I don't know if I could keep beef up this long. I think my spirit, my spirit couldn't do it. Like, now everyone knows, everyone's a thing.

35:12But then I think what I really enjoy is that she's doing the thing. If there's anything that Lily Allen does, she stands up to the patriarchy to the point of, like, it almost, like, passes a point and then goes into its own life form, if that makes sense. Because I feel like I wouldn't be able to do it because I'd then be thinking, like, oh, you know, maybe I've gone on too long trying to give like the forgiveness, but she's actually like, no, actually you fucked up my life. I wrote this album about you and you were going to watch me do a whole tour about it. That's sold out immediately. I think there is, and like, you know, there's that bit where she like holds up the sheet and it's like the, the receipts from like Bergdorf's and that he actually spent whatever.

35:48Though I think that's genius. I, I wouldn't do it, but then maybe I'm a pussy. Like maybe I'm like trying to like buy that bow down. Maybe I would have actually, I probably would. Yeah. I think my first relationship I could still go on about to now and like an absolutely... I was thinking of calling an EP after him. Really? Just his name and just writing him. No, you've already got the EP name. It's great. No, no, but after my second EP, writing a whole EP about it and just putting his name as the EP title. You're not messing around, are you? No, because I think also like when someone fucking ruins your life to the point where like you...

36:19Your brain is changed by them. They change like neuropathways and you try to believe in like someone fucked you up, they're bad. I'm like, yeah, tear him down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you can't do that. Even when people are like, oh, he's so nice on set. It's like, yeah, you can be so nice on set, but then if you're going home and, like, psychologically ruining a woman's life, like, are you a good person? No, I don't. I think that's still one of the great things about the album is how she fully went into that mode. And she's also Lily fucking Allen. That's what she does. Exactly. Yeah. But I do also hear you that, but I think that about, like, most performances of music, Like how are you Especially when you get to a certain level Yeah You write an album about something And then you're in a completely different space Yeah By the time you perform it I tell myself like Here's someone like you Yeah Do you know what I mean Just fucking have it This one especially Yeah I imagine she is probably already going like Fuck's sake We're gonna have to go back into this mode What I like about her though Is that she's not like getting up there And like crying over it Like she's just singing the song I feel a bit like There's one artist that comes to mind And I think when I say this People will know who I mean but like trying to like fake cry to songs that like you've clearly performed like a million times yeah um yeah say that yeah but you know how i'm talking about uh i actually don't okay but there's like it doesn't have to be them as an example right but it can be anyone right but ultimately it's the thing it's like don't do the hoo-ha around it anymore because you clearly don't feel that way like you have to sing the song i understand you can be like solemn But I think to try and fake cry Is not like And also everyone knows it's a fake cry And if they don't I know people aren't I was watching an actor's table thing last night You know those awful things Where actors talk to each other Who was it?

38:13Adam Driver I never watched the male ones I just watched female ones I've never watched one at all Because I can't last more than 10 seconds But I watched a Robert De Niro film the other night called The King of Comedy, which was really fucking bizarre, but quite good. And Bobby De Niro was on it. Adam Driver was on it. I can't remember. Tom Hanks was on it. Awful, awful, awful guy. You were almost in a film with Tom. I didn't get it, though. So it's fine, lads. You would have hated him based on this conversation. Yeah, and it was filming in Berlin. God. Me and Bill were literally saying he was like, if you got that, you would be so miserable.

38:59Yeah, for sure. Like, so miserable. Anyway, Adam Driver says... Can I say that? Yeah, for sure. Fuck it, I didn't get it. Did you sign an NDA? Oh. No one knows the lies. No one knows. It's fine. It's fine. Adam Driver says you can't force crying. You can only let it naturally happen. as a result yeah the writing you can't you can't go like okay it's time to cry now which i never thought about um but i think it applies oh my god i think it applies here in the state of performing music as well like if it's not if it's not coming naturally yeah probably people can tell for sure um speaking of artists who are tearing down the patriarchy have you listened to harry styles new album um listen to half of it because i was only saying I thought it was fine I understand what he was trying to do and I think he was listening to LCD he was listening to MID Sound System ICMB Sound System and I think he was listening to Tame Impala I think he was listening to Tame Impala I understand the university he was trying to go to who produced it?

40:19so many people one of the main producers like the wall of synths I saw in like a picture. I think that can hit a point with every artist where like there's too much going on in that studio, trying to prove too many points. I think there's some absolute hits on there. I think it's fine. And I think he's Harry Styles. I think he's like fine. I like the styling. I think what he does and has always done is be like pretty clean. I think he just does like really clean things. It's fine. All the gear and no idea though. Yeah, all the gear and some idea. yeah sorry some idea good clarification but like i can't tell if it's more i remember the do the most recent duolipa album which is produced by as well um it was when it was being positioned and marketed it was like this is like the biggest pop album ever and but not just that but like it's psychedelic it's trip pop or like it's it's going to be like this thing that was that really did i remember when that came out and everyone was like came out and it was like it was like a euro dance yeah record barely as well like no shade like but it's like i think the positioning he's clearly trying to do something that is more indie i guess the indie is the word yeah he's trying he's making an indie dance record yeah because he's now into and similarly the positioning is like harry's going to berghain Harry's listening to Ben Clark Harry's obsessed with LCD sound system it's like as soon as you start putting these things in the PR the expectation goes up so much higher also LCD sound system everyone loves them you've had enough I've not had enough I love them but I think them is like you can't put an LCD the only person I've heard chatting shit about LCD sound system is Celia Banks she was like I can't believe that that's the band that everyone's going on about they are ultimately if you've ever worked in a cafe you probably know the words to an lcd sounds on every playlist it doesn't gag me when an artist like i've been listening to lcd or talking heads both of those artists i'm like i'm not gagging well because i'm just kind of like yes because they are good pop musicians exactly yeah it's that he was the cool the cool ish one but in one direction yeah yeah but he is still inherently as much as he tries the biggest pop artist in the world Well yes So Damning of what I'm about to say But a Flake 99 Okay Vanilla Yeah Fucking Really talented Beautiful Centre parks Sexy Yeah lovely though And charming And it's always lovely to go to centre parks Will I be revisiting an album And a Flake 99 is lovely Ultimately as well And I know obviously he'll then be like Well just because I said disco doesn't mean it's disco How face would it have been if it was just a disco record Like to just make like a disco record And just call it like And call it what he called it And make just like Straight down the nose No gagging about it The name Disco record The name as well He just shouldn't have said disco I feel like that was also the thing Like everyone was like What's the worst album title That or I like it when you sleep Because you're beautiful Yet so unaware of it 1975 second I don't mind that Second one I don't mind that title The second one I don't mind both of them to be honest I quite like long album Kissing all the time disco occasionally yeah kiss all the time disco occasionally it's just and i think in comparison to the last album where he did make the most advert sounding song of all time with uh

43:59yeah it's still ad music it has got a bit better but it's just like it's just rocket vintage i also yeah i really struggle so sometimes i list harry styles and I'm saying it's the most love because I actually do love Harry Styles and if one day I meet you at Harry Styles I will tell you that I love him and it's cool how he came out of that and tried to do something slightly also I really love how he releases something within like two days he's got like 100 million listens I'm like that man is so famous I actually feel bad for how famous that man is and I actually do love him I think he's great and Bill specifically loves Harry Styles I do think there does hit a point where it's like with like your Harry Styles you do a Leeper like Lizzo for example like every one of that ilk that is like so famous When someone tries to do something emotional It like I can't relate I think there hits a point where It's not even talking about Harry Styles anymore Just talking about someone so famous So far away From where we are They've got like yachts and shit I can't relate to you No matter if you're going through heartbreak It's like Taylor Smith She could genuinely get broken up with By Travis Kelsey and release a song in two days about it and I can't feel that way about it because I can't relate to your life anymore.

45:10Like to the point of like sickness. Like I don't know. I think I get that. I hear that. I think it's more just like, give me some hooks, Harry. Yeah, I do think that is, I think there is like a thing in it where I think you almost have a duty once you're that big of an artist where you're just like, girl, just play the hits. Play the hits. I don't think anyone, because oh no I'm not going to say that because I love it don't say it okay I think you can do the two minute intro yeah for sure get your synths out Harry but then like American Girls banger love like wait which one's American Girl the one that's like I like to kiss American Girls or whatever shit have I even heard that it's the second song on it oh I have heard that yeah and it's like it's good do you know who's new album I did like and kind of gagged me a little bit Yebba I haven't listened to that so So I thought, so Yeba, I fell off Yeba when she did My Amanda Nevergreen, kind of solely kind of thing.

46:10Her voice is, I think, second to none, possibly on the best. But her new album is so like simple and almost like Phoebe Bridgery. Okay. It's a bit more like, it's less like, but like it's, yeah, it's almost, it's really indie, but like indie like sing a song like that. And like, it's really beautiful. Like I really enjoyed it. You could pop it on in the background. It's very ill offensive. I don't think it's going to change your life. Sunday brunch listening. So easy to send a bunch of listening. It's lovely. Do you know what it's called? The main song is called Yellow Eyes or Yellow Days or something.