talking straight w/ rose gray

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1:00Rose, you don't have to say where you live, but are you sort of part of the Hackney supremacy, shall we say? Well, I'm actually not technically Hackney. Okay. I'm a North East London girl, but I will be moving into the into the big bad world in moving in okay and how are you feeling about that I'm excited I just want to wake up and be in it a little bit more yeah I'm quite suburb right at the moment and I'm ready to like for sure be in it but here's the thing right I was saying to Naomi before I live in Haringey and I love the sort of proximity to uh East London life but crucially I can still leave the house and like not feel like I'm gonna bump into anyone yeah so that's what you're doing market catwalk exactly babe it's sometimes it is have you ever been to sitchers yeah yeah and they're like that judgment square thing with all the gays where it's like, oh, it feels like that, but every day.

2:01Rose Gray:My mate Lou, I think. Yes, oh my God, we were there together. Yes. Oh my God, we were there together. But there was one night I ripped my skirt and I like, I just got into such a bad mood because I was like, oh my God, people are going to see that I've ripped my fucking skirt. And I was like, as if anyone's going to care. What, down Broadway or? No, in Stitches. Oh, Broadway, I couldn't give a fuck. I'm like, have a look at that. But yeah, but Stitches is crazy. Sorry, could you just explain Judgment Square? Judgment Square is kind of like Broadway Market, but it's actually it's like that instead of like that and it's just a bunch of people sat like facing opposite each other and then you have to walk down oh like like in paris how they yeah face the street right but like it's a bunch of gays and so like you know i just don't get lou was lou was telling it's so scary yeah so scary i mean they were there every night we went to see lou there lou lou we were having drinks it was so nice yeah it was so did you go after Primavera yeah how we couldn't get into your set yeah speaking of we couldn't get into your fucking set because there was 300 people in that it was like there was like thousands of people outside the gate yeah but the actual show was like 300 cap it was crazy like because we we all went in together I think I was with Lou and we all went in together and then we went to look at the queue and it was like you there wasn't even any point joining it I knew that Lou didn't watch my show we tried just to know you know you might know this feeling when you like bump into a friend you can kind of i like oh i know they weren't at my show yeah because they're like not talking about it or when you see a friend before one of their shows and you know you're not going and you have to like pretend yeah you got like yeah yeah yeah yeah loved your shirt yeah it was great i'm glad it was on the friday not the um the rain oh the rainy day that was all that was really terrible Were you there for the rainy day?

3:47Yeah. Yeah. Were you out? I was out until Massive Attack was just like, it's off. Yeah, yeah. Okay, no, no. Just go home. No. You catch cold, catch death. It was freezing. Yeah. But more importantly, how was your set? Yeah, it was great. Yeah. Really great. I had to wear Levi jeans. Okay. I actually didn't go all these jeans. So it's quite hard to perform in jeans. Right. It's a new thing for me. In Spanish climates as well. In Spain, yeah. But yeah, it was great. so like you're sort of you've got your shades on you're sort of trying to navigate like swan passes i call it as which i'm navigating on the victoria line not making any assumptions about how much you sweat um but how does that affect your performance are you like are you sort of it's showtime or are you are you conscious of how sweaty oh oh wow um so i definitely sweat a lot on stage but i think that sweat gets to a point where it's quite sexy and it's like almost like a like it gives me a glow oh it shows you're committed as well it's like wow they're really they're vulnerable right now i think i've thought a bit about like if because sometimes i wear like shirts and if they're like silky i have thought about the i don't want to have any any like marks no yeah that's i don't think that's where you draw the line yeah patches yeah but i have i always have it's on my rider uh for fans on stage oh gorgeous not not you know yeah yeah wind fans

5:18boiler room style like we're gonna make it look like a party on stage my mate does that in j it looks really cool on stage yeah well maybe that's on the next rider yeah just hundreds of people just like yeah just sometimes actually sometimes it's the there's that's the kind of my only thing that i have on stage is just the fans yeah that's fair did you manage to enjoy some of primaveral were you jetting off to somewhere no i stayed yeah i stayed that night and it was good what did you did you see anything good so addison okay so fierce really good so good wow which jumped into the crowd i was like that's real as fuck it's amazing and the looks um why has my mind gone blank what else did we see we kind of just we walked around a lot there was a lot of walking who else was there though that was Dijon that night or was that the next night I didn't see I didn't see Dijon I saw okay Lou the night before okay yeah before it all went a bit peaked on yeah I wasn't there the night before I threw in on the Friday morning smart yeah so the night before I felt quite smug actually I was just in London like all right that's fine yeah it was um so I'm quite happy to have missed it but I don't know Okay Lou sounded amazing Yeah and she had the Like the storm She also became the headliner For Friday night Which I thought was quite Easy The crowd was huge I like I'm a big fan of Okay Lou But I didn't know she could Pull a crowd that big That was Really I feel like She is Massive She is doing things I mean it was prime time slot as well I was really happy for her Are there any like Are there any artists In that sort of lane That you're looking at right now That you're like I'm obsessed with them i mean i love sega bodega oh yeah it's kind of like we all i think okay lou works for him i feel like all of us kind of electronic yeah pop girls are like salv is our little wizard yeah and he's called salvador and he's called salvador and he's like irish scottish chilean or something yeah his accent he's just got it all he's got it all yes he's he's incredible he's he's a genius yeah man it's very special and sometimes he just disappears for like a couple of weeks but i think that's what all the greats kind of seem to do yeah realizing for sure and you're you're like i've i've been listening to uh your interview with justin tranter and like i didn't realize because obviously my introduction to you personally was like um louder please and like i I didn't realize that sort of you found club music, like not late in life, but like sort of in your early twenties, right?

7:58Yeah. I mean, I was going out before that, but I hadn't made the link that that's like the music I wanted to make. Right. So what were you making before that? I kind of like went through many phases. You have to. Yeah. I was like Indie girl, the guitar. Sweet. I had like a weird, yeah, an era where I was just sort of speak, singing poetry over course. Okay, nice. Yeah, probably could work now. Yeah. And then I went like really soulful. Right. And like, you know, like Duffy and kind of that world. And then I just found the club. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Found your home. Well, and it worked. It worked magnificently.

8:39Do you feel like, do you feel like you will sort of over the course of your career, like dip into different styles? or do you feel like you've kind of found your i'm definitely like really enjoying what i'm doing now but i never say like i can see i love it i do love an era i've always looked at pop stars and been like how amazing you can just shake it all up right but right now like my second record's not she's not moving too far away okay i thought you're gonna say like she's she's dying she's not okay right now yeah no it's she's okay it's really good she's healthy she's healthy okay fantastic being made and it's still it's in that sort of a similar ish world yeah it's definitely electronic it's pop but maybe almost it's a little bit like a bit bolder a little bit less like giving a crap.

9:38I'm not, I'm feeling like just very good about everything. I'm not overthinking things. How do you, please can you tell me how you do that? I would love to know. Do you know what? I think playing loads of shows helps. Having thousands of people sing your songs back to you. That's really, that's really good for the hit. Okay. I don't know. I think I'm still like a couple years off of that. Maybe you'll like it. Never know, Manifesting You're a year off it Maybe I think less Maybe We'll see I love There's a song That's like stuck In my head And it's from Oh yeah Oh my god Yeah love Oh god K-I-S-S-I-N-G Maybe Yes Yeah I like to say P-I-S-S-I-N-G Just to be silly But Before you came And just Spelling out pissing Do you know what I mean It's like It's like Rimblin But when you're making Oh sorry when you were making Louder Please.

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12:04really easy elevated vibe whether it's to and from the studio or just for every day the breezily collection is in store now or you can shop online at lululemon.com yeah it's really i i was that's interesting that people say that because i actually didn't think that it felt that kind of easy but i felt like it was like you've got like damn which is like almost techno and like breakbeat and then you've got switch which is just like pop yeah um But I think because it's me and it's my voice, it is cohesive. I've heard other like artists saying this. I think Charlie said it. She's like, it's people think I'm, oh wait, I'm actually referencing a lyric.

12:48No, it's when she says like, you say all my music's the same. Yeah. Because what is that? I don't even know that. Is it the same? Yeah, I'm like. Sorry, I'm looking for a lyric. but yeah it what it really worked i think loud and please and i i mean i loved it and my mates loved it and i was playing it for like six months to just all my friends so i knew that it was kind of good because they liked it it was so fierce i mean it is so fierce like yeah we're talking about like it's like yeah yeah no it is loud and please i remember uh bill sent it me and i was in such a bad mood i was headed to brighton and i was in such a fucking mood

13:25Rose Gray:it has that effect yeah it's crazy I was like I'm always writing absolutely furious and he sent it to me and I was like right I'll give it a listen honestly Dan was the opener right yeah fierce and it's just fierce on fierce just every song no skip album but I do have to ask do you actually think Hackney Wicks is fierce Hackney Wick is fierce not anymore yeah okay sorry it's the truth when was the glory days of I still go there and I still go out there sometimes going out there this Friday okay but it's yes different it's a bit different i have to agree do you agree i do agree i mean i we've we've publicly shat on hackney wick really i love hackney every time i go for all its issues it's got hackney is one of the best areas in london for sure hackney wick to me is like it happened too quick it's very quick yeah and it also kind of sometimes feel a bit like a no man's land like you're quite far out you're kind of on the motorway i still think the clubs there are great the clubs are fab color factory see us um yeah i love it i'm always there but i do think it what it feels like to me is what i changed to is like no offense to the girls from essex but like it's turned very like the weekend is very essex you know i mean no offense

14:46Rose Gray:but but it is not the we it's not the weaver line commuters it's not it's not like you know you're also i'm kind of slyly essex we love it but it's like there's a type you know the type the s16 i know i know and they'll be walking through victoria park on like i don't know friday evening you're like oh shit it's happening and you know that it's about to go off in hackneywick you know they haven't got hotels gonna stay out all night they'll be at the canal in the morning you know the vibe everyone knows they're gonna go to night tales yeah maybe it's a tree you know what i mean that's the palm tree yeah i actually disagree with you i don't i don't mind the Essex Weaver Line people it's the aesthetic I grew up on the Weaver Line and we love the Weaver Line also the Weaver Line is down right now for a long time because there was fire on the Weaver Line really I didn't know that in Walthamstow what the fuck yeah Rose Grey Walthamstow straight the other correspondent yeah I am the Walthamstow I'm the mayor of Walthamstow I actually saw Stella the other day and I realised she follows me Stella Creasy the Labour we gotta follow the The mayor of Hackney filed us the other day.

15:52And I thought, that's cool. No, that's... Like, yeah, following straight diva. That's cool. The one who's just... The green diva, yeah. The one who's just got elected. The green diva with the pink hair. She just follows straight diva. Oh, no, sorry. Another councillor. Zara?

16:05Rose Gray:Is it Zara? That's quite... Zara Larson. Yeah, it's Zara Larson. She would be an amazing mayor. It would be the best. She would absolutely eat it up. Smart girl. Smart, smart girl. Okay. And so you're from Walthamstow. Yeah. you're a real east londoner yeah yeah but you were born i was born in a place called hymes park which is like oh no technically i was born in muswell hill technically you were born in a paddling pool in muswell hill yeah first thing on your wikipedia so weird rose gray was born in a paddling pool talk us through i could use that on a day like today god damn yes very it's new year's eve new york's eve went in a paddling pool parents were like having friends over and couldn't contact them all to to say the party was off so there was also about six sort of like roaming like bohemian like actors i don't know who i don't know what they were they but i keep i bump into people nowadays and they're like i was at your you had to make dance pop it was literally it was the setting you were born into okay but you grew up i don't i don't remember muswell hill i always think about imagine if i'd grow up in muswell hill there's a decent decent looking spoons in muswell hill that i'm yet to uh yet to experience i guess you're kind of new i am i'm i'm in the green lanes world but muswell hill is i hear great things you guys hear great things about muswell hill i hear good things i hear great things i think it's a good place to have a young family yeah yeah oh and that's nice like right in the morning with the babe but you i'm from so so i grew up like very close to wathom so it's called heim's park oh yeah uh confused little area okay it's like either you're like an east ender or you're like essex and it's like you either come into town like was what i did and grew up on like brick lane in camden or you're like at sugar hut okay like there's not really much but i used to kind of dance between them both Head to Brentwood on a night on Friday.

18:01Talk me through Sugar Hut. I have no idea what that is. You don't know what Sugar Hut is? No. Oh, are we about to do this? Oh my God, it's the club, babe. It's in Brentwood. Okay. It's a club. How do you know about it? Because it's at Essex. It's at Essex Divas. It was featured heavily in Only Maze Essex. Is it? Yeah. It's Sugar Hut. And they would open it at like 10am and shoot there. Pretend it was a club night. Oh, gorgeous. because some of my friends used to be extras in it and stuff that's so sick that is so fucking sick i would love that that would be dream job just in the background like watching the argument

18:43Rose Gray:oh i'd love it so much no i used to what about faces you had a face no oh that's like the other that's the other one gants hill oh that was good there's some good there was some good nights there but um did you feel like you were choosing your identity when you were like spending one night friday night in brick lane yeah saturday night in brentwood yeah what was cooling out what were the pros and cons of each um i could get a i could get like a lift to uh gants hill and stuff from a dodgy boy from a boy or from my dad okay and then i think but i think brick lane was yeah quite it was definitely my place being more in london and the way i dressed and yeah the friends i started to form was quite clear that was gonna be my your calling my calling yeah do you do you remember like when everyone went to brick lane all the time i used to work in brick lane when i was 18 yeah in a vintage it was such a bad vintage shop it was called will it probably shop there It was called Blitz.

19:47Rose Gray:Oh. Is it not there anymore? It's the, it's still a shop, but it's called something else. I don't know if the people - I remember Blitz. I used to hand out flyers on Brick Lane. Oh, one of those do you feel? 15%. They used to do the 15%. Yeah. There's still someone there with a sign holding it. Have you seen the sign holder? God bless. You do. I'm a sign holder for a vintage shop. I think that's so funny. I didn't start going to Brick Lane until 2016. Yeah, Which I don't know. I don't know when you were going there. I don't know if I got it at its good part or not I definitely used to really love it and I used to go there a lot where would you be going to like bars or just get a soul beef bagel lovely there's always too much mustard we need to get into that no so reasonable though yeah reasonable price too much mustard no I disagree I think you need that amount of mustard because there's too much beef yeah there is so much beef And you're basically just having beef on its own.

20:45So the only thing to cut it with is the mustard. Okay. Maybe we can meet in the middle, cut the beef. Yeah. And then we can also cut the mustard. Do both. What's your favourite bay of Gilrose? I'm just thinking it's really embarrassing. I used to get the egg one. Okay, cut. That's okay. Let's take a break.

21:07Rose Gray:It's so embarrassing. Health queen. You know what? I think that one's only like two quid isn't it I think that's why and like a cup of tea was like 60p oh easy yeah loads of sugar and then I like the drama between both places but they are owned by the same person I think but they're do you know about this they're ones that are next door to each other yeah yeah they're exactly the same but no one goes to one of them everyone goes to the other one because people just join the queue now like there's still a queue outside I heard some controversy recently but I can't remember any details of it and it's probably not worth spouting on the podcast.

21:45Rose Gray:No, someone will probably find a comment. Okay, so you're growing up in Hyams Hill. Hyams Park. Hyams Park, apologies. It is like the bottom of my road is walking so. Okay. But yeah, it is technically Hyams Park. And what is, what's soundtracking your life at this point? What music are you listening to? Definitely quite a lot of Lily Allen. Okay, period. Yeah, a lot of fuck yous. You know, the now comprimations. That was just everything to me. Do you remember the one that they put video games on by Alana Del Rey? And it was like so upbeat and then video games came on. Do you remember the first time you were like either shared the YouTube video of the visual that she made or first heard that song?

22:33Yes, 100%. I remember being on Tumblr and seeing that and be like, who the fuck is that? with her like I just remember her face and her lips I'd never seen like lips done before honestly and I was like obsessed and they shot the cover in like Watford right or something really yeah they shot it in the UK and they made it look like it was like in like I don't know Beverly Hills or whatever it's crazy I did not know that yeah yeah it's this like random set house in the UK I know that she's like she was signed through Germany and like had more going on in the UK and it was Fern Cotton that put her on right I remember that where Fern Cotton and like playlisted her all week and then that was a thing that like took it off and then The Weeknd posted her.

23:12Really? I remember it happened. My like best friend from growing up sent me the YouTube video and I remember it had like 10 ,000 views. Oh. And then it just popped off. Popped the fuck off, yeah. Were you a Tumblr girly? No. Okay. This dog, I'm just going to shut this up. Sorry, yeah. Is it okay? There is this dog up there called Sandwich and it's the most jarring dog. And like, they'll just like scream like sandwich all the time. Sandwich. Sandwich. Sandwich. Yeah, actually the worst. Okay, you were Lana. I was actually Lana, yeah. Not Lana. Lana Diva. Wasn't really on Tumblr. I don't really know.

23:50Did you do Marina? Were you on Tumblr? Yeah, I loved Tumblr. Probably for the best. That was like my main thing. I was on like the dark side. Loved Marina. Loved Florence. Oh, so good. I was also quite into my like soul music. Yeah, you like. I was just obsessed with Dusty Springfield I don't know what happened there I still listen to her but Girls Aloud The best Don't get me started, love it When they did a crossover with Sugar Babes for Comet Relief What? I've not seen that I think it was for Comet Relief It was just an encyclopedia of niche Niche pop culture From 2010 to 2020 Just like the worst type of pop culture No it's brilliant Just absolutely useless knowledge We were just talking, so Kirstie, she's literally just left.

24:38We were talking about Paul's Boutique and I sold my brown Paul's Boutique bag that had all the badges and she said she bought one and I'm just convinced that I like sold it on, I don't even know what it was. It wasn't Vinted, it was eBay. And you're convinced it's yours? Could you imagine if your initials were in it? I think I want it back. Why have you got that image on you? Was she a big influence for you, speaking of Paul's Boutique? Like obsessed. I also think everyone fancied her. I think - Do you remember? I remember when the album dropped I was in year six and I was on a French trip I'm not even kidding Swagga Jagga came out I bought that honestly that album Cher Lloyd Sticks and Stones are you kidding?

25:14Rose Gray:Cher Lloyd by Cher Lloyd she invented grime can you remember Dub on the track? remember when she released that? yeah and those so those trainers they're Isabel Maron they're back in they're back in literally amazing oh god she's the best X Factor was a big part of mine 100 % growing up do you still feel that you chase the x-factor feeling because i do i feel like one day i'm expecting confetti to come and all the nations when you're when you're performing yeah yeah it definitely sets some like unhealthy yeah ideas of like just it happening overnight as well thank you i just thought that simon was gonna call i don't be like you've got a number one single like tomorrow and it's gonna happen i honestly i yeah i think it's ruined the minds of our generation to be fair there could be a whole thesis on i reckon so what it did to us i like ruined my brain who's your favorite winner or favorite contestant katie wrestle i always think about her i think about her once a week they did and she was signed before do you remember when that all came out and she was signed before and it came out oh yeah in america and everyone tried to cancel her for and i was like she's just a working artist yeah because they were like she's already failed once why she allowed a second chance do you remember when she had the fight with katie hopkins about tattoos no was that on like the one show on like this morning or something i loved diana vicars i loved it once like banger and her she's yeah she's the past if you think sorry i should be speaking off mic but if you you know gracie abrams phoebe bridges that sort of course singing they're running no they're walking because Diana Vick has run or something yeah she's quite close Diana Vick's quite close to like Ellie Goulding yes and I did not play about that first album did you do Ellie Goulding when that dropped I was into it I was really into it Goods and Horses are you kidding I was really into it and a very good songwriter I love her she's great yeah shout out Ellie Goulding she's playing shows like about to have a baby any moment I think she might have had the baby A half-time show at the World Cup or something?

27:27Is it? Yeah. Really? In the quarterfinal.

27:31Rose Gray:Talking of World Cup. Yeah. What is everyone doing tonight? What's everyone doing? I haven't watched a single game in a pub. I have watched every game from home and just had people over in the garden. Yeah, maybe a better vibe. It's so nice. I think sometimes watching football in a pub can be like, firstly your view and queuing for drinks can be a bit of a vibe kill sometimes just other people the lads can can ruin the lads yeah that being said though i went to watch it old nun's head you know the gay pub in nun head um and it was the worst experience of my life i don't know if you've ever watched football in a gay pub babe they don't give a fuck and so i was like not me giving a shit and i was like well and it was like and then the football chants are making up they're all about bumping it i was like why not we were only screaming when david and victoria came on screen oh my god looks amazing where have you been watching it um i actually i ventured to south to watch the last game um at the ivy pub nice gorgeous your ivy house gorgeous but so far yeah took me 90 pounds to get home did you uber it yeah 90 pound is that a joke she ubered it she's rose fucking no no i wanted to get the trains but the it was so long it was the same so long who was for the last who said this it was 150 from east back to south the other day when the other world no i did like i limed on the way there from liverpool street god lovely lovely lovely over the bridge across the whole of london oh god and i started to think okay i get it about south london now i get it south london i love it do you yeah did you used to live there i just moved to east which is great because east is great because it's convenient but south is where my heart is that's real yeah and also it's just like i think it's greener and nicer and i think the people um a little bit more chill yeah less yummy mummy yeah in my opinion well and just less clout as well just just less clout just less clout just what in a good way yeah no i love it or at least than this like this little micro climate you're in right now yeah you are right right in the heart of it yeah this is i am taking the piss every day i wake up and i'm like what am i doing this is not i have because I have tried to figure out, like, because I've seen you do a pod...

30:06Oh, sorry, is that my phone? Someone's phone.

30:10Rose Gray:No, it's not. It's not mine. Is it yours, Louis? No, mine's filming. Oh, it's mine. I'm sorry. No, no, no, it's all good. We can pause.

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31:29Rose Gray:he's got a because he's a tick tock on my river yeah on a way yeah he's like online he does lives that's it and he's like just like got like a whole little community just like you're positive it's like streaming yeah oh my god god bless him though yeah i could not is that common knowledge so amazing i don't really ever talk about it okay i should shout him out yeah He's a lovely boy. He's just really positive and he's got a whole little community. But he's on it all the time. Yeah, you have to really, to stream, you have to give up your life for it. We've never done streaming. Have you ever done TikTok Live?

32:06I don't know if I agree that it actually does anything. I did it once and I just get like, I ever get someone calling me trying to, or someone trying to like shag me, which is quite fierce. Like if you want to feel a high high and a low low, go do it. but yeah it's not I do I do it sometimes when I'm getting my glam done oh see that's smart just to like see what's going on sometimes I'm like in the flow and I really enjoy it and you just have good conversations with people other times I just feel like I'm I don't know what to say like I just feel a bit awkward I feel like I just don't I end up being like Chelsea Lear where she's like thank you Cindy all the love Becca thank you so much Nicholas it's very that yeah what I mean thanks for the rose yeah thanks for the rose thanks for the rose Kimberly oh yeah have you ever made money on it no no I never no not from it just from live Jasmine for Sue yeah just live Jasmine yeah um that's dreadful but speaking of going out you've got new music coming out thank you oh the same way on Friday

33:05Rose Gray:on Friday yeah how you feeling about it I was like I feel good I feel really good we heard it this morning we did it's fucking fab when it kicks in it's like and and the the sort of the looping melody is your own voice yeah gorgeous yeah well i i did it because i didn't know what was gonna go in right i didn't know if it was it was like a demo yeah and then i was like oh i think that's quite cool actually sweet it's a little bit um someone told me they it reminds me of white lotus that okay i get what i don't know how i feel about that but i don't know if it yeah i don't know if i'm glad you You guys don't think that.

33:42It's just like a sample-y voice. It's just because it's, yeah. Yeah.

33:45Rose Gray:Or is it a sample or is it just... It's my voice and it's just like... And the breaths and stuff and we just made it into like a little... I haven't seen White Lotus, but I thought the vocal performance reminded me of Sauvignon Blanc by Rosalia. Oh, wow. On the hook. I mean, she is... Top tier. North star, yeah. Top tier. Who did you work on that song with? I did it with Justin. Okay. and I did it with they're called Matt Man and Robin Matthias and Robin they're these two like Swedish wizards I started working with Swedes fuck you leveled up baby check I had my first yeah love I had my first trip to Stockholm like this time last year and I was like I really get it I get it I don't know what I think it's to do with their precision really yeah they're like hyper fixated by melody and Would that not get annoying in a studio, in like a writing session?