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25:09Yes. For like straight men, because at the end of the day, those straight men are like insidious and boring. I think they, the fun, like you were saying, almost like this kind of low brow kind of element is the thing that ultimately people are fucking gasping for. And I think that's the reason why you were the first drag queen to do a boiler room. Wake it up. Wake it up. Yeah. But you want to talk about unseriousness because again, boiler room to my mind, at least it had been for so long it had been like considered a very kind of like it being considered very serious and very chin stroke yeah and you know even it's even worse now like the whole kind of djing culture and kind of like how it surrounds it is like so sickening to me uh points and like oh girl okay no this is good no diet coke's kicked in though yeah but you know i'm having a body attack you know it's it's so in the it's like so in the ether now there's like hyper focus on DJing in a way that it really wasn't when I started and you know it was kind of maybe just bubbling away when I did my boiler room in 2022 but I was so intent on kind of doing that show and getting into that space so that I could kind of be like this can also be a place of levity and this can also which is why my first song in my set was Deeper Shade of Blue by Steps I was like

26:24Lagoon Lurve:it's just been you know it's just so like which you referenced the Florentino edit of in references Which Lil C, my best friend and host of that night, had custom made for the show. Wow. Because weirdly enough, Florentino wasn't planning on making a step, said it before the boiler. That was something that we had. That's true for me. That was something that we asked him to do. And he very kindly said yes. But I don't know. I think I just, I've just always been, and it's also about me. It's like, I feel like at certain points I can lean very much into kind of like taking myself too seriously. And then I have to catch myself.

26:56And I feel like spaces that take themselves too seriously. I've always found it really cloying and dull and I feel like I have no choice but to kind of be like, this is bullshit, isn't it? And so, yeah. And I knew that that boiler room would annoy a load of people. And it did. And that was precisely my intention. Because it's like, you know, DJing is not a monolith. It's not one thing. There is not one way to do it. There's like not one way to be in nightlife. And for a while, it really felt like there had been. And actually boiler room at that time was really amazing at kind of giving, you know, it's like so many fab people, like, you know, Artie, Zalil, you know, when we did like the Sugar Babes, it was like, there was a real fab moment.

27:36That was so fierce when you played your edit of Real Girl. Real Girl? Oh, yes. So, by Muttia. Which we made the night before. Yeah, so fierce. When that dropped, Babe, we, everyone went nuts.

27:49Lagoon Lurve:I thought I'd get in trouble for that as well, because, you know, obviously the Sugar Babes, well, number one, there were six of them. So, I mean, it's like, you were going to have a favourite, but Muttia was always... Muttia is the girl. I remember Muttia was my dad's favorite. I remember listening to the Sugar Babes in the car on the way to school. One day, my dad being like, oh, God, I love Muttia. And Muttia is a manager as well, I think. Is she? I think so. A manager? Yeah, like an artist. Muttia managers, who? Well, I think, I couldn't tell you, but she at least had a period of being a successful artist manager.

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29:26I think I've been catching strays this whole time.

29:31Lagoon Lurve:I've had the pleasure of seeing Sue DJ. Sue's actually... I've got Pioneers up there. Oi! Sue's actually in the cult DJ duo. Yeah, an awful... Called the Chuckle Sisters. It is true. Who I've seen DJ a couple times. Who's the sister? Laura. I've seen, yes, Laura and Sue had, I think it was a Titmuss one year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, for those of you who don't know, cult parties celebrate Sue's boobs. Yeah. Every year. I'm all right. But Laura and Sue DJed us to the Chuckle Sisters a couple times. Listen, song selections were... Song selections were there. A-1. Mixing. But listen. Who do you need?

30:16Lagoon Lurve:Mixing. But song selections are the most important. Yeah. It was fierce. It was fierce. It was good. What can you hear in a Chuckle Sisters set? Chuckle Sisters set. We usually start with ChocoVision. Put the Violet Funk header. We like ran away. ChocoVision. No, don't. Honestly. Somebody somewhere. Obviously we announced it. We're going to do it. And then Flo-Florentino. Florentino. Florentino didn't edit for us. No way. Yeah. I'm lying. Me when I lie. But we originally, we planned to play that. and then run around the room. It was kind of performance art vibes. Dude, this sounds amazing. It really was amazing.

30:58And we dressed the same, me and Laura, we had the same glasses. There was one year where my dad gave us a bunch of like cricket kit and we wore like cricket kit.

31:05Lagoon Lurve:Can you remember that one? Yes, because then I borrowed that cricket kit for the Lagoon shoe where I wore the red pumps. Exactly. I actually think you might need to bring that back. Chuckle vision, I know. Chuckle sister. You know what would be a sleigh at the Sioux, I think, sold out show, which is happening in a couple of weeks time? Acapella. Super slowed down, you a piano, the Chucklevision theme song. Don't, that would eat. Because even though my question was unnecessarily rage-baity, I do think the reason, as you've told me, you find DJing boring. I think it is boring. If you made it into that like of a performance or like made it just a laugh, I think - I mean, yeah.

31:44I think you'd love it. But I still think, I think also what then goes with the point that you've both been making about like NTS and kind of like what is higher and what's lower what and etc etc i think why you're so good at it and also like people like bailey j mills are so good it is because i feel like to take the piss out of something you also have to be good at it do you know what i mean whereas like i feel like with djing like i'm i'm actively not that good of a dj right and so i think i wouldn't feel comfortable enough taking the piss out something whereas that would be like bailey j mills or when you've dj'd like you're like deconstructing and and remaking what it is.

32:20Like you said, it's not a monolith. And so I think in that sense, it's like, that's the reason why it isn't given for me because I am actually inherently a bad DJ. If like the whole thing was me being a bad DJ, wake it up. Right. But like, I listen,

32:32Lagoon Lurve:there's plenty of DJs who have made that whole thing as well. I can stand there with some headphones on. Listen, that's it these days. Yeah. 2025, it's like fab look, headphones on. Dance. Yeah. Dance. Put the playlist on. Yeah. No, that's it. Yeah. And listen, may those people have loads of success. And they are. They are. No, they are. The talented ones are the girls on the bread line. Yeah, hello. Wake that up. Yeah. Zoe, we probably have a lot of kind of aspiring DJs, maybe embarrassed DJs, because obviously everyone's kind of - Yeah. Tuned in - In our listenership. Everyone's tuned into this dogma that there are too many DJs.

33:16which obviously isn't true. Well, actually, no, let's get your take on that.

33:23Lagoon Lurve:Listen, okay. I think everyone should be a DJ. I'm having, okay, cool. Thanks. No, no. Listen, everybody should do whatever they want to do. 100%.

33:38I, listen, I'm somebody who's probably thinking that in the next few years, I probably won't be doing it anymore. i'm thinking that i'm kind of there are other things that may be piquing my interest i have this conversation with a couple of my best judys and they're all kind of saying the same thing as well that they're kind of thinking that it was fab it was amazing we had a great time time to do something else i think like all things it's like lovely ethan right who did the amazing view from the bridge take about djs a year ago and about you know and about talking about how his mum wasn't in any way involved in kind of like the creative scene but was adjacent to it and kind of like and contributed so much to that space simply because of her personality and because of who she was and i think because of things like tiktok and because of cultural social media and blah blah this onus on having to kind of like do a cool cunty job yeah is like through the roof and like now more than ever i think if you want to be a dj sure 100 be a dj i it feels like there are more and more spaces to be a dj and so do whatever what i found as i've got older though is and that as my tastes have matured and my palette i feel like has gotten slightly more i don't know it kind of craves something it maybe didn't five years ago and something i truly believe is that like the true artist as dj people and i do think that there are djs who are artists and that's their medium they're going to continue being amazing and i'm like i'm not worried i can't catch them No, you can't.

35:10But you can't though because there are people out there who are truly kind of like transcendent of what they do and like truly kind of take it, which is why I like fell in love with it because of the people who I looked up to were like, I just, it was like alchemy. It was like something I'd never seen. But there are going to be those people who buy the controller from, what's it called? Backdraft.

35:29Lagoon Lurve:What was that thing I bought my phone from the other day? Backmarket. Backmarket. Blow your back out market. Blow your back out market. You can claim that. Not backdraft. Security. Backdraft. All person in the building. People are gonna, you know, people are gonna kind of like tap away and do their kind of like fun, funky blend. And that's gonna be cool as well. But I think like with all crafts and like with all things, I do think that like kind of doing a check-in with yourself before you do anything. Thinking about the reasons why you want to do something and what is like super duper important.

36:01because we live in an era now where people are doing things for kind of like strange misguided weird reasons all the time and then i don't know they get in trouble or they're shit at it whatever honestly and you know but i also i still believe that talent breaks through and if you're fab at something you should 100 % do it yeah you know the people who are successful a lot of times are successful because they're great i think this is the thing i actually had a meeting the other day with somebody who works in social media and they were asking about like and we were talking about social media just as much as any creative job.

36:33And I can't believe that people aren't seeing it like something that is a timeline. Ultimately, I'm so grateful we have this and we can make this last as long as we can make it last. But ultimately, at the end of the day, the way influencer is or presenter or creator or even musician, DJ, you're fab for like, what, five, 10 years? And then after the 10 years, it's like, we love to see you still on the scene, but there's someone fresher and hotter. listen sean face said it best okay drags over djing's over and then she looked at me and went and i would agree yeah which is why i'm probably not going to be doing drag for that much longer and i'm probably not going to be djing for that much longer there are incredible djs working and i'm going to name some now okay williams jossie mitzvah oh yeah shirelle um amalia nix seb odyssey like some truly incredible djs out there who are masters of their craft and true scholars like inside their brain you remember that clip from revenge of the sith where they walk into the jedi um the jedi library and it's just glowing for sure row after yeah yeah glowing row after row of like spiritual tomes full of knowledge like these people's brains have that with music those people i would like to be djing into the apocalypse because they're truly talented and amazing what they do and there are loads more i haven't said you know half queen seafrim maresia etc etc those people are all amazing um and they should continue on i think that you know i hope that in 20 years time they're you know they are the people who are kind of i don't know like who are the DJs like the Benji Bees or whatever you know there's like they've got a show on Six Music that's really cool right exactly what Sherelle already does well exactly exactly which and I did an interview on that show

38:32Lagoon Lurve:yes you did and you got absolutely annihilated and I got read for filth by like alt-left middle England yeah the Six Music Dads came for you the Six Music Dads came for me why is he blue I don't fucking know why is he fucking blue why is he oh god what's going on here then They're not so progressive after all. Absolutely not. Well, that's what happens if you listen to the Smiths. If a 10-ton boss, baby. But yeah, those people should continue forever. And I also think that there is legitimacy in kind of doing something for a bit and then moving on and finding something else to do. So what do you want to move into?

39:05Hell yeah. Porn. Porn, Only Fans. Yeah, it's soap opera.

39:12Lagoon Lurve:Oh my God, telenovela. Yeah, oh, wake it up. What do I want to move into? I think the thing which I've actually been putting off for a really long time is, again, coming back to this idea of like rigor and trying to do things which are maybe kind of like, kind of like mulch my brain a little bit more. I want to kind of get into and kind of really do, I'm really sorry. Oh my God, she's hanging on for dear life. Sophie, get lost. Sophie, you little fucking child. Fuck off. Sophie, I'm so sorry. She's trying to - She farted as well. Yeah, I know, she absolutely did. I fart. Is that why you wanted to open a window earlier?

39:45Lagoon Lurve:because when you said that i was like sue if you've got something to say if you've got a flare-up going just let us know just my leg is itching oh that's done yeah it does sorry guys it's all right i didn't know cats farted like that yeah of course they do yeah um so you want to go into veterinary yeah i want to be of that yeah yeah where's your poppy

40:12so stupid no i think the thing which i think the thing which has always brought me loads of joy is i think the thing that's always brought me loads of joy is doing like long form interviews with people who i love who are creative like that's the thing that's like always the thing i've always come back to and yeah i've always done the most consistently and so next year i I think there's going to be a plan to kind of do that in a way that feels a lot more kind of like established and regular. That is the plan. What you want to move into. Exactly. I'm going to do my little tour at the beginning of this year and play some shows and then come back and then it's going to be like hit the ground running.

40:46Plug yourself, girl. Who else have you interviewed? Let us know. Yeah. Oh, good point.

40:51Lagoon Lurve:Who's good? You know who the girl's like on this pod? Who? They lure her with Charlie XBX. I have interviewed her. You have? Yes. What? I did her album launch party a couple of years ago. Yeah. yeah oh god with crash you might have to bleep out her name who did you do it this well i did it with cheska obviously my bestie but we oh some queens were there well listen some of the queens just taking note of the time code um some of the queens there were lovely one queen there um one could say the head queen yeah of london um was a total rat bag see you next tuesday really yes whose name is, and you will bleep this, but her name is...

41:31Oh yeah, she's a cunt anyway.

41:35Lagoon Lurve:You know when me, you, and Laura say nasty girl? Yeah, she's a nasty girl. She's the nastiest girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, yeah, I'm not a big fan of hers. She tried to kind of read me and Cheska out on a live stream. I know, I know. And then Cheska, thank God, read her the fuck back. And the scales felt balanced. But yeah. Again, you want to talk about one of the problems of DJing. I want to talk about the problems of being in nightlife for 20 years. It will sour your brain like a Chinese plant. Your view of humanity. Yeah. No, literally, when you're that starved of sunlight, at a certain point, the brain starts curdling.

42:15The green room politic. Yeah, no. She wasn't particularly nice to us on that day, and I did enjoy her. But Charlie XCX was fab. We did a, you know, what's it called? This or that game with her. Bring them back. Where have they gone?

42:28Lagoon Lurve:2022 was a good year it was you know it was like she really she really got i'm also the woman was probably tired as fuck yeah i don't want to talk to these two morons for an hour about whatever but she was actually very nice and sweet and it was fab so yeah interviewed her interviewed oliver sim and romi when they had their solo projects out which was amazing really great jojo siwa no way oh yeah baby and met her mom you want to talk mom she must be she must be militant She must be militant. Yeah. Perched. The most perched woman in the Mighty Hoopla Green Room ever sat. Full black outfit, kind of like black off the shoulder top, matching black stretch trouser.

43:09Lagoon Lurve:Amanda Lepore, five meters away. Honestly, the stars were out. They were there. What did Jojo Siwa's mum think of South Bermond Sea?

43:20Lagoon Lurve:She loved it. She had an incredible cortado. She had an incredible cortado. and she loved Avalon Cafe.

43:33She was really into Avalon Cafe. She got a full vegan fryer. No, she did. She's a huge fan of GOM as well. Really big fan. State Off is her favorite producer. That's an in-joke for the DJ producer crowd at home. Oh, yeah. Actually, stream State Off's new album is absolutely incredible. JoJo Siwa's mom loves it. but yeah that were jojo siwa was i've been a dream loreen yeah um russell t davis he was fab um lady bunny was major no i've had some i've had some really good guests over the years the last three are gay people yeah literally i was like what thanks darling lady bunny i know you were like telepathic at this point yeah one eurovision twice loreen what davis wrote dr hill one eurovision twice where's she from sweden and then and then lady bunny is like rupaul's best friend

44:29Lagoon Lurve:there we go legend legend icon star speaking of podcasts if you want a really good podcast episode to listen to there is an episode of um lady bunny shows up stoned to uh um some radio station in new york and it's an episode with her and bianca del rio okay another drag queen thank And it's an hour and a half of them going back and forth. And Lady Bunny is high off her tits. This woman is so stoned. She doesn't know if she's coming or going, up or down. And I remember listening to it for the first time. I think I was drunk. That's when I used to drink. Off like, you know, five or six Aperol spritzes.

45:05So obviously couldn't sleep because of all the sugar pumping through my veins. And I remember I held my stomach laughing. I was bent double because I could not stop laughing. So yeah, Lady Bunny, amazing everything. I'm trying to think if there's anybody else good. Those are the biggies off the top of my head. And then loads of D-listers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are just irrelevant, stinky. And inbox spots. Those are people who aren't alive anymore. When, okay, so when you undertake this kind of new interviewing venture, well, I shouldn't say new, but maybe it will be a show of some kind. Yes.

45:37What kind of medium will it be, do you think?

45:39Lagoon Lurve:I think it will probably be in the podcast format. Let's go. There were various times where a podcast was going to be made and we were going to do something and then it ended up happening for whatever reason this that and the other credit crunch covid um you know a breakup yeah but the timing is right um now and i don't know i'm just like it's i've just feel that um yeah it's just always some it's the it's the thing that people tell me i'm the best at doing period um not djing which i've been doing full time which has been my job for four years yeah you were right at that but like the interviewing's really good I love it when you talk yeah exactly I love you chatting when the music comes off and he starts talking that's when he's at his best so I'm listening to the universe on that one so that's the plan amazing yeah and how do you think we rate as interviewers major oh that's crazy yeah incredible it's giving Dick and Dom in the bungalow honestly I better not be Dick because I'm tucked today here well I know you're Dom from our group chat, I mean.

46:46Wake it up! Let's do some agony aunts. Let's do some agony aunts. Oh, people with problems. So basically, we wanted to run through, we wanted to keep agony aunts moving into the straight talking with. Yeah. Because we think that we sometimes get sick of helping people and we know that you're really good at it. And we want to push our unqualified burden onto others.

47:10Lagoon Lurve:So do we want, yeah, yeah. great idea sounds amazing I'm down actually can I have a quick wee yeah of course I've been gurgling away please do right so do we want the really quick fast ones or do we want like let's start with some do you want the stories why don't we warm up with a couple fast ones just to get out oh fucking hell people really do have problems yeah why don't we start with a couple fast ones just to warm up and then quick fire quick fire therapy really fancy my best friend of 10 years should I tell him 30 year old non-binary spinster here AMAB no go to therapy you freak no I'm kidding no but that's not a healthy amount of time to have unrequited love for anybody yeah wake it up I'm sorry it's not yeah but how would you know if it's unrequited if you've never professed it great question I'm pro see I'm pro it but then me like me me and Zooey share a mutual friend called Laura who I've both spoken about Zooey and Laura on the pod.

48:12And there was one time when me and Laura were just convinced we were in love with each other. So we proceeded for about three weeks to date and it was really strange.

48:21Lagoon Lurve:And when I went over to the house and you guys broke the news to me. When we were listing. Don't make me throw up in my mouth. When you guys broke the news to me over some broccoli rock one night. Is that cocaine? No, it's smack. No, it's surface and chips. Might as well be smack it so good. Best fish and chip shop in South East. Zoe, you need to use your perspective here because, like, do it from the third friend perspective of, like, if she's going to ask out her friend and they go on a couple dates, give the best friend perspective of, like, what you had to go through when Sue and Laura... I was about to say I felt left out, but in fact, I was relieved.

49:03Lagoon Lurve:Then fuck off for a bit. Yeah, I was like, great, finally the group chat's going to go quiet. Can't wait. I think if you have been in love with your friend for 10 years and unable to tell them I think you've maybe got to investigate why you've been unable to tell them a little bit more I think maybe before you go ahead and tell them I think it could be quite good to break down all of the reasons why you've been so reticent to say anything up to this point and I think you've also got to think about short term and long term and you've got to think about what you want with this person in a year's time five years time ten years time because i think it's all well and good to pull the band-aid off and be like i'm in love with you we could lose them yeah and also you know feelings pass yeah not to be like an i'm not to be like non-romantic about it but like maybe just shag about a bit yeah i think it all depends on um risk versus reward right okay yeah how long are they yeah how many friends do you have Do you have enough friends?

50:06Yeah, if you lost them, are you fine?

50:08Lagoon Lurve:For this one, big factor. Yeah, yeah. No. Oh, it was really exposing me. Anyway. Should we, on to the next? Just a subtle one. To Zoo, Lou and Sue, does it ever get better? Yes. Yeah. Hesitance. I've got an idea of who asked that question Is just You don't know them But how do they know it was us All three of them They did just put Sue but I just thought I'd include you all I was going to say I was like is that Laura No Because if so the answer's no Does it get better Yeah it does But you've got to do a lot of work On yourself along the way Exactly

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51:35right we're going to move to two more longies and call it right so the first long windy ones hi zoo sue and loo love the pod it's honestly the highlight of my week i'm currently back living in royal scotland after finishing art school on the job hunt and bored out my mind I wanted to get your thoughts on the eternal creative dilemma. Do I move back to a city, work in hospo and try to build up my creative practice on the side? Bracket, cheap rent, but endless small talks about flat whites, bracket. Or do I throw myself into some random creative adjacent job, probably get burnt out, probably cry in a prep bathroom, but maybe make the contacts that actually make my career moving?

52:09Basically, which is the lesser evil? Customer service misery or creative industry chaos? I know Susan X Barisa and Louie's done her time in the music biz, so I'd love to hear what you think sending love and mild existential dread from Royal Scotland great question do you want to start or um I think what I would say is is that in my experience having worked loads in hospitality and having to work a load of jobs that I didn't really like is that one of the things that working in hospitality did do because it's so it can be so monotonous and so boring is I would stand behind the counter at the Tate Britain members room giving Steve McQueen a croissant first thing in the morning.

52:55I would, after I thought, after the suicidal ideation went away, I...

53:02Lagoon Lurve:What croissant did he get? Plain. Oh, purist. I thought Alisa Larr. I know, chic, actually. You expect nothing less. um it what i would say is it gives you a lot of time to ideate and to plan and to be creative in a way where i don't have it the same way wake it do you know what that actually so facts because your brain goes into this other place when you're doing those kind of mundane jobs those mundane jobs where you really start kind of thinking and planning and preparing yeah and what i would say to this person is having been on both sides of the coin i'd say doing hospo and then if you're lucky enough to have the time where you're shifted in a way where you still have a couple days or you have a weekend or whatever to be able to do your own shit that balance between clocking in clocking out firming it and hating it while also having enough time to kind of slowly incrementally work away at the thing that you love and start the planning process i would say is the best way because the burnout from like the high intense creative agency nightmare thing and they're not nine to fives either that's like creative agency is like you'll be there all six till ten honey yeah that's a joke so i think you're right because also as well it gives you chance and space to dream and i've never been more determined than when i was working in a cafe yeah like and also if your friends are all kind of doing the same thing you know it's like when i left uni and came back and we were all working in hospitality there was you know it's like we're all on the same there's a kind of like there is a like a communality there when you and all of your friends are working in jobs that you kind of hate and you like go to the pub after work and you're like fuck this but then also at the same time when your days off you're all sitting in the cafe working together building something together it strengthens friendship making a dj collective period working at a creative agency you will make no long-lasting friendships yeah i would argue yeah well but it doesn't have to be a creative agency no but um i agree that like time wise and then the mundanity of like a or simplicity maybe of a of like a hospitality job could definitely help there's also like pay like um an entry-level industry job you probably actually might get paid better per hour you probably definitely get paid better pay per hour if you did a hospitality job yeah the only because for i'll be devil's advocate the the industry job would give you um contacts it's like obviously it would be better to have contacts that were just your friends but like it could open you up into circles especially if like you're not from london yes but that's not to say that you can't meet people in the relevant industry yeah by not working at a space like that this person's in rural scotland yeah yeah so in my personal experience as well i didn't listen been lucky enough to be born and raised in london but i think you know people flock to cities for a reason even if they just get the train stay the night and come home i said go to the club yeah get to the club go meet the girls smoking area go to the club sit in the smoking area and meet the girls do cat man the number literally mcat flavor of a month yeah um tina if you dare say don't you don't need to do drugs yeah you don't need to do drugs don't really don't um i think immersive if you're creative immersing yourself in the club in some way it's it's not even me saying this because i work in nightlife it's like it's the tried and true way to meet people of a like-mindedness to you um and people who are kind of like you know just starting trying to figure it out want to collaborate want to kind of make stuff the clubs still have that energy the clubs will always have that energy yeah um so i would say i don't know where you are in rural scotland but get to glasgow yeah yeah and one final thing i'd like to say is um working like an industry job can a thing i've definitely been guilty of is like oh if i work an industry job like i'll have contacts or something you you basically go down this rabbit hole of like i'll generalize or like with us i think of like social media and how i work in social media it's like if i get good at social media and at a certain point you just got to think like well why don't i just do the fucking why don't i get better at making music like you can over generalize for sure but i think one good thing that an industry job can give you is like a knowledge of the industry although i will say you have a pretty great knowledge of the industry having never worked an industry job yeah but i did study it though i studied it and do you think it was studying it that gave you that i met a lot of people in industry okay through that but also but then i was in the club also so this is also it's like a mixture like you couldn't get me out the club but also you're you're so interested in music and music law and artistic law and your brain is like a sponge for you know people's eras and people's moments and you're so and you're such a kind of like a scholar of people's artistry and of music in general that it's like, you know.

58:07Lagoon Lurve:It's true. Thanks. With this, I wouldn't blow smoke up your ass for nothing. Honestly. I can't get out of the house. It doesn't matter. I can't even get words out. I was going to make a semen joke, guys. Finish it. You can't get any smoke up there because it's already full of semen. Smoked roe on toast. As Okie Lou quietly plays out the speaker. Don't. I can't remember what we were talking about but I think this person's going to be okay It was a great question and I think humbly we gave a pretty good answer I think so Is it okay, you've been playing the whole time? No, I think it must be some playlist but she's playing right now with Twigs That's so strange Unless Bill's put BBC6 on downstairs No, it's been playing the whole time Really?

58:48Yeah I won't pick up anyway because these are dynamic mics but I didn't even notice Been paid on One more agony on Yes But before we get there we'd like to thank Lagoon for being here it's such a pleasure thank you for being our first on screen guest it's such a pleasure I'm honoured you've been a joy you've been an absolute joy and we'd like to stay friends outside of this listen it's a testament to three people working in the creative industry in London with nothing else to do on a Wednesday could you tell them where to find you and where you'll be playing because we know that you're supporting the beautiful George Riley Yes.

59:25So I've got a couple more. I'm doing a residency at this fancy hotel in Mayfair called the Chancery Rosewood over November and December. I'm doing five nights there and I am really excited. I'm going to be supporting George Riley for her album launch at Color Factory. It's me, Lil C. There's a fab special guest coming to play as well. I'm sure George is going to announce. Afoma V is playing. Incredible Afoma V. Kwame Dapper is playing under their DJ name, which I can't remember what it is, but Kwame's also fab. It's going to be at Colour Factory. George Riley's album is one of my favourite of the year.

59:59So good. Forever. Private Life. So good. Rocks my world. It's so clean. We need to get there on the pod. Yeah, George, we need you. No, George Riley. So that is on the 21st of November, I think. And then I'm going on tour at the beginning of next year. Back in Australia. Uh-oh. There's so many Australian listeners. Winter Sun. Really? Yeah, wake up. Well, it's our second. Yeah. Or maybe Ireland. Maybe it's third. Is it really? Yeah. Well, I'm going to be coming to Australia again. Third time. My third and final time, probably, I'm going to be going and doing a tour there. So I'm going to be in Sydney and Melbourne and maybe some other places too.

1:00:37And then going to go to Tokyo for a little bit and play some gigs in Tokyo and then come back.

1:00:40Lagoon Lurve:Period. So, yeah. So that's where you can find me, at lagoon.lurve on Instagram. But also Lagoon fucking hates DJing. So watch the space for what she does next. Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be even better. The long form. Yeah, lagoon. Lagoon. Long form. Wake it up. Right, final agony art to close the day. I was in a sort of situation shit for a few months since May. It was getting more serious until I went away on my solo travels with the idea I probably wouldn't be back for a while. Maybe six months or more. Seriously, as in I really thought we'd end up together. But then I decided to come back for Christmas and probably move home.

1:01:15Money doesn't go very far anymore. She came out to visit. she came out with a friend to visit me in the last week. I'd been feeling off for a couple of weeks prior to this. I was getting doubts and found like tiny things were just bothering me for no reason at all. I thought it was the right thing to do to tell her. It felt like a weight on my chest. When I told her she was of course upset but later admitted she'd been having doubts too. Although now I'm back on my own again for six more weeks of traveling, it all feels very scary and real. I don't know if I made the right decision but it still hurts and she asked to stop contact for a while.

1:01:47it hurts a lot and I feel like maybe I've rushed into saying things too soon I don't know I just feel a bit stupid and like this is all my fault and this has caused me unnecessary pain anyway thanks guys love your music and podcast you're a very talented and kind person people oh um sorry that's what I mean Luke well they did just say Sue so I just made it um uh do you need help

1:02:16Lagoon Lurve:and healing like there wasn't really i'm a bit confused about what the question is yeah i don't think there was a question but i think it's more like advice for i think uh i'll start with um two things um it would be weird if you weren't having any doubts about a breakup let's start there you're also spending a lot of time alone because you're solo traveling yeah yeah so you're sitting with your thoughts a lot and even though it's fun to travel and you might have loads of distractions You also have a lot of alone room, probably in a hostel with some stinky Australian. So give yourself some grace there.

1:02:50And then the other thing is you can always go back. People think it's either or. And I'll say that's about the person who was fucking. The person who was fucking. No, the person who was asking whether to get a hospitality job or an industry job. Not to kill your. You can do both. Yeah. You can always do both. Yeah. It's never as fine as you think. i am i'm a believer of i'm a believer of time and place i'm a believer of putting things on a shelf if things feel unfinished and then picking them back up when timing feels right and you feel different or better um i i'm also a big believer of taking long breaks from seeing people and spending time sitting with yourself i think that's so important i think there was like such a kind of onus on like constantly having to be with somebody the whole time and it's like in fact no yeah like carefully select the people that you're around and when you spend your time with them and how you spend your time with them and also take periods of time to like really reflect on what you want and you know there's nothing wrong with like sitting in sadness it's like it obviously sucks but at the same time it's like those things are so crucial yeah i think also as well like you're solo traveling like turn off your phone and solo travel babe yeah or you know you're never gonna to get this experience again.

1:04:05Like I don't get me wrong. I've yearned a good part of my life and I've missed and I've loved, but babe, like you might not get to travel there again. Like what if you come back and get like a job which you always wanted and then you're stuck somewhere for 20 years.

1:04:16Lagoon Lurve:Yeah, completely. Also like, I don't know what the gender or sexuality of this person is, but you know, get on grid. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Get fucking, yeah. Be Leng. Be the Leng-est version of yourself. Be internationally Leng. Yeah. There's no great effects than that. You catch flights, not feelings. like dates in cities across the world meeting strangers going to bars having incredible like passionate one night stands and mini situationships with people who live 16 000 kilometers away are you kidding me that's what life is all about grabbing by the balls for god you have an infinite pool of lengas on your doorstep and you're sitting in the hostel room so i'm just saying as a girl who was yearned internationally once you then decide to pull the pin and go the other way yeah someone who sucked and fucked internationally zoe has something to say on that passport honey there's some other stuff on it too listen call me what's it called um oh no i was trying to make a mile high joke but it didn't come in time anyway yeah you killed it before yeah you ate it thanks but no they have an infinite pool of langers on their doorstep and you shouldn't be twiddling your thumbs thinking about your ex uh in your hostel room um no but But also, it's been a few months.

1:05:30You're going to have doubts. Yeah. This is not long enough to kind of... Don't text them how you're feeling. No. Sit with it. Put it in a beautiful, nice place on a shelf in your heart. Leave it there. Then be present in the world and enjoy the time away. Yeah. Wow. What a wonderful note to end on. Straight diva. Straight talking with Lagoon diva.

1:05:55Lagoon Lurve:Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for coming on. I'm honestly so honoured that you guys would ask. No, honestly, Vegas. Because obviously this is, you know, this is quite a sexy gig in 2025. It's a goodie, it's a goodie. It's a goodie. No, no, there's a lot of people who are fuming. They're not sitting where I am right now. So I'm very... Uh-oh, that's our new issue. And it's Laura. Yeah, and it's Laura. Bye. Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. Hi, this is Zoe Deutsch. And Nick Robinson. Our brand new movie, Voicemails for Isabel, is all about those little moments that feel like the universe is looking out.

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