Heavy Metal Pt II

28:15Yeah. And there are examples of that. But, you know, aside from that, it seems like metal actually like kind of tests and taxes your brain in a good way. Maybe taxes isn't the right word. Challenges your brain in a good way. Yes. Because it immediately starts firing to start making sense of this sort of musical puzzle and all these complex rhythms and time signatures that kind of go hand in hand. Right. Yeah. So your brain basically is being worked out. Like it's not just sitting there like being vibed at. Like it's working, trying to decode all this stuff. And yet, paradoxically, for a lot of people, they report that it actually helps improve their focus.

28:55I think people with ADHD and people on the autism spectrum tend to report that heavy metal actually helps them focus better, which is pretty interesting because if your brain's decoding that, you would think that it would be focused on that, but it's not. It can do that separately, apparently. And then also emotionally, it seems to have positive effects, too. Yeah, for sure. I mean, there are so many, you know, hundreds of thousands or millions of heavy metal fans that maybe despondent or angry or frustrated or sad or something. And this music provides a real outlet, you know, whether they're just in their room on their headphones or they're driving around in their car through their, you know, weird suburbia that they don't relate to or where they're going to a concert.

29:43And it provides a real legitimate release for that stuff. Yeah. And that's not just like anecdotal. There have actually been studies that have been published in peer-reviewed journals that show that there are positive emotional effects that are experienced by metalheads from listening to metal music. There's one from 2013 that studied 414 British metalheads. And they found a mixed bag, right? They found that they had a higher openness to experience, which is one of the big five personality traits, generally considered positive. They have more negative attitudes toward authority. Can't really disagree with that if you are questioning the authority of a corrupt government, right?

30:25Yeah, for sure. Lower self-esteem. Didn't quite understand that. That might just be that metal music attracts people with lower self-esteem. I don't think it gives people lower self-esteem. Yeah, I think that's the case. Greater need for uniqueness. Love it. And then lower religiosity. Religiosity. That's not very surprising either. You know, I was like, are they playing them? Like, are they confused? And they think Van Halen's metal and that's what they're playing, like the 1984 album. But it turns out like they're playing like legit metal stuff. Like they played As I Lay Dying, Cradle of Faith, Overkill, like actual metal.

31:01And they were still getting these results, which I found heartening. yeah for sure there was another study i thought was pretty interesting from 2019 it was 32 fans of metal 44 non-fans of metal and they found and this one's important because i think especially in the 80s with the pmrc there was a lot of um just gobbledygook going around that like it's going to make your child something it's going to make them into this it's going to make them violent and in that study in 2019 they found that metalheads have the same negative bias toward seeing violent imagery that people who don't listen to metal have, even if they're listening to metal that has violent lyrics and themes, it doesn't then transfer.

31:42Like if they see an image of violence, they're still like, oh, I don't want to see that. Right, exactly. I don't actually want to do that. Right. I just want to. Yeah, exactly. It's just rocks. Yeah, exactly. It just keeps going on and on. I think the point of these studies, especially if you compile them together like we did, is that there's just such a dumb misunderstanding or wrong interpretation of what metal is and what it does. Again, accepting black metal. They're definitely the outliers here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So we talked a little bit about genres and sub-genres, but we'll dig in a little more here because it gets really confusing.

32:24And I don't know many of these bands at all, but I feel like we should just mention a few of these sub-genres, right? Do you want to? You want to go through this kind of anatomy of just a single subgenre? I mean, I feel like, I mean, we're all those under Mathcore. Yes. This is where Mathcore came from. Oh, yeah, sure. Okay. So Mathcore is a type of metal music. Very, very, very niche subgenre. And it's so niche that the bands of this subgenre have names like the Tony Danza Tap Dance Experience or the Dillinger Escape Plan. OK, super niche. And math core is a combination of metal core and math rock.

33:05And I know you know what math rock is, right? Yeah, I used to listen to a little bit of that in college. That is rock music that's very complex musically, a lot of weird time signatures, a lot of starts and stops. If you've heard math rock and you may have heard it and not known it was math rock, but you just thought like, like, what an interesting odd band. So you've got math rock. Math rock, you said, with its interesting time signatures and very technical playing, that evolved from prog rock, like Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, yes, from the 70s, right? Yeah. And then math rock was also influenced by jazz.

33:44That's just math rock. That's one part that math core is made up of. On the other side, you've got metalcore, the other half of mathcore. It's a combination of hardcore and extreme metal. You might say, oh, okay, hardcore punk. No, wrong. Hardcore is different if you're a purist from hardcore punk. Hardcore is like bands like Code Orange, Vane. Hardcore punk is Minor Threat, Black Flag. They're very close to the related. They sound similar, but they're different subgenres. So metalcore is hardcore and extreme metal, which is a big umbrella term for a bunch of other types of metal, too. Okay. And extreme metal is also under Mathcore?

34:26Yes. So extreme metal is one of the bases or is the basis of metalcore. And there's different types of subgenres in extreme metal. You've got death metal, black metal, progressive metal, kind of like prog rock, but metal, doom metal, stoner metal. These are all varieties of extreme metal. And so all of those can have their own core, right? Their own version of metal core. And so probably progressive extreme metal with hardcore, that version of metal core probably eventually led to metal core. this is how divided and cut up the genre of heavy metal is. That's how niche it's gotten into. And again, some people will come along and be like, this sounds just like progressive metal to me.

35:17Be like, no, it's mathcore, get it right. You know, that's essentially like, I just find it fascinating that people have gotten that into the weeds. And I've seen in a couple of places, probably on Reddit or something, where people are like, this is ridiculous. Let's just take a big step back and get out of this mindset because it's getting kind of weird. Yeah, I mean, there are definitely some genres that have subgenres, but I don't think there's anything that approaches metal. Even like, I don't know, even hip-hop has a lot of subgenres, but I don't think it comes close to metal even. No, no, I don't think anything does.

35:54I mean, you can basically take anything and give it several sub-genre titles, suffixes or prefixes, and you probably have an actual metal sub-genre. Yeah, agreed. I just found that interesting. I appreciate you taking that little diversion with me. I love it. All right, we'll take another break here and come back and finish up the part two of the two-part duology, and we're going to talk about album covers and the death of Randy Rhodes right after this.

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39:47All right. Promise talk of album covers. I want to give a big, big shout out to a guy named Blake Massey, who wrote a really great article on themetalpit.org. And also shout out Sherry Thomas from The Aquarian, because Blake wrote a really, really great piece on heavy metal album art. And, you know, basically kind of pointing out and making the case that that's where it all starts is like being in the record store, seeing this imagery, Black Sabbath kind of starting it all with just dark imagery, very provocative stuff. A lot of times, you know, like sometimes they would hire out just a company, but I feel like especially with metal, many times the band is very closely involved in the vision for the album cover because, I mean, album covers are always important, but it feels like metal, they're even more important.

40:34Yeah, it's just part of the experience, you know? Yeah. Like you buy the poster even. If you're like me and you're into Iron Maiden's poster art, not really their music yet yeah because it's legit amazing art uh i mentioned in part one i think about the black sabbath self-titled debut album in 1970 one of the most terrifying album covers i've ever seen it's just a uh it's a photograph it's got this cloaked figure it looks like a woman um standing in front of a this old like you know torn down or not torn down but just sort of dilapidated building. And this was in 1970 when like psychedelia and colorful album art was a thing.

41:14And it was just very, very creepy looking. Yeah. But it also said, Hey, everybody, like we're going in a different direction here. Check this out. Like, I can't imagine what that landed like. It must have just looked so different. Like think about Led Zeppelin's album covers. The grimmest one they had was the Hindenburg explosion in black and white. yeah you know like that was that was as grim as their album covers got like this is this is spooky like it's definitely different i just think that's really cool like to think back of just how how some people must have seen this and been like i'm reborn yeah yeah for sure uh and you know there's a range like everything you can look at something like the cover of number of the beast we already talked about the great derrick riggs and eddie their mascot but uh if you look at their album covers Iron Maidens especially they're just they're so intricate and there's so much to see when you sit down on your floor with your headphones on as a teenager yeah uh but they can also be a little more simplistic like if you look at the great cover for Metallica's Master of Puppets from 1986 you know a little can say a lot it's just there first of all you gotta have a great logo and Metallica's logo is always great it is uh as is Iron Maidens Judas Priest has always had a great logo.

42:27Um, but it's that Metallica logo. And then that, uh, that cemetery with those crosses connected to the puppet strings, it's just like kind of chilling to see. Um, so shout out to Metallica and Peter Minch who designed that one. Uh, and we talked about, well, I talked about rain and blood earlier. Um, and its album cover is actually, it's art. Like it's, it's very clearly like a painting. I can't remember who did it. I'm not, I'm not actually sure. Oh, Larry Carroll. And it's basically hell. It's just a landscape of hell. There's off to the foreground in the left, there's some heads floating in a lake of blood.

43:01There's a goat on a throne presiding over this horrible place. The Pope is wandering around wondering what the hell's going on. But it has its own style even. It's not like if you look at Holy Diver, the Dio album cover. It's almost like it's cartoon realism almost. This is art. It's like a style of a painter that the Rain and Blood cover is, which makes it even more unsettling, I think. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that Holy Diver cover is great. You know, Dio has an amazing logo. And they also have a mascot named Murray. Did you know that? I didn't. I guess now that I think about some Dio artwork, I realize that I've seen that masked person.

43:47I did not know that his name was Murray. I didn't either. He reminds me of the Black Spy from Spy vs. Spy. He's just not wearing the hat. Yeah, yeah. I never really thought about that. I didn't either until I saw him. Yeah, just go check out the Holy Diver cover. It's great because Murray is kind of standing up behind a mountain, whipping a chain that's wrapped around a priest who's in the ocean with the waves lapping, and he's clearly struggling to stay alive. And Dio, by the way, he took over after Ozzy left Black Sabbath. I think it was him immediately after Ozzy, right? Yeah, it was. But he was also in another band with an album cover that we talked about before, Rainbow.

44:28Their album cover for Rising is one of my favorite, not even just metal album covers, just album cover in general. It's got a very pretty rainbow on it. It is very pretty. Guns N' Roses we should talk about. I mean, so I don't really throw them in the metal crowd, but I think maybe early on they might have been thrown in that group of hair metal. but very famously their original appetite for destruction artwork was very controversial for obvious reasons. Trigger warning here because it's drawn like a cartoon but it depicts a sexual assault that's happened from a robot and people were like we can't put this on our shelves.

45:05Record stores were saying that so Geffen Records was like yeah maybe we are going a little too far here they put that on the inside cover sleeve and then ended up with an iconic cover as a result that, again, it's drawn like an animated sort of drawing, but it's that Celtic cross with each band member's head at various points on the cross. And again, another great logo. It is. It turned out pretty good. I heard Geffen's first idea was to put a nice price sticker over the offensive painting. Is that a joke? It is. Okay. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. Remember those stickers? The Nice Price. That's right.

45:47I do want to mention the one more, though, before we get to Randy Rhoads, Quiet Riot, because they were the very first metal band to hit number one on the charts. With which one, Metal Health or Come On, Feel the Noise or both? Well, Metal Health, that was the album. Come On, Feel the Noise was on that album. Yeah, but they also released the song Metal Health as a single, right? That was also on that album. Right. So which one reached number one first? Or do you mean their whole album reached number one? Yes. I got it finally. You can stop screaming at your speakers. Yeah, they're the first metal band to have a number one record.

46:22Metal Health came out and kind of changed the game. And it featured the man in the iron mask very famously. It's a pretty cool album cover. And that guy was in the videos as well. I've always wanted to play that album during seating for one of our shows. But those two songs are really the only good ones on there. The rest are just slimy. yeah so i've always skipped it but yeah metal health that is a great song which is ironic it's a bang your head metal health will drive you mad i think he says it just like that um it's funny it's a very slow song so i mean it you can bang your head to it but you do it very slowly that's right so chuck you um you had said you specifically wanted to end this on a huge downer and i think you've really knocked it out of the park with your choice to talk about randy rhodes and his untimely death at age 25.

47:13Yeah. I mean, I think we both had our kind of big things we wanted in here. Yours was Iron Maiden and mine was the death of Randy Rhodes because it was one of the saddest things that happened to music. A big shout out to Rex Thompson. He wrote a great piece on it for liveforlivemusic.com. But Randy Rhodes was a great kid. He was very soft-spoken guy, virtuoso from the jump as a teenager. And so much so that when apparently when he was a kid, practicing so much, his mom called a doctor and was like, can this hurt my son's fingies? Could this cause permanent damage to his little fingies? I read also that she was a piano player, so he must have really been playing.

47:56Yeah. So he formed Quiet Riot. I had no idea about this. My only understanding of Quiet Riot was from mental health onward. All right, let's just be honest. It was mental health. That's it. Right. So he formed Quiet Riot back in 1973. I had no idea that Randy Rhodes was in Quiet Riot or that Quiet Riot had been around 10 full years before Metal Health came out. He was a child, basically. And same, you know, Kevin Dubrow was a singer and everything, but they signed to CBS Records. The band was kind of taking a different direction than he thought, like, I'm better than what we're doing. And he was right.

48:37And he left the band. It was pretty frustrated. And he got a call that Ozzy Osbourne had left Sabbath and was forming a new band. And as the story goes, he auditioned for a very hungover Ozzy Osbourne and was warming up with some scales. And Ozzy was like, you got the job. Pretty great. Yeah. And that was it. So he became, I mean, just an absolute legend thanks to his stint with Ozzy. Right. Was Ozzy's band just Ozzy Osbourne? yeah it wasn't like Ozzy Osbourne Ozzy Osbourne in the doo-wops or the five dimes or something like that no it was just him and you know the saddest part about all this is that he was he really awoke something in Ozzy and became very very good friends with he and his wife I guess they weren't even married at the time but his eventual wife Sharon who I saw at a restaurant in LA last year by the way but he lived with them when he was in England and was part of the family basically a very playful, spirited, really nice kid and just absolute just slayer on the guitar until a very, very sad day in 1982.

49:47Yeah, it is terribly sad. It was so unnecessary. Randy Rose. Yeah. And again, like this guy's finally starting to hit the stride that he has known he could get to his whole life. He was he was crazy train. You know, everyone's heard Crazy Train. That's Randy Rose. So and he was also like you said, he was a good guy. Like people just loved him. Right. So he was 25 at the time. It was the day after a show in Knoxville, Tennessee. The tour bus had made it out of Tennessee through Georgia, safely into Florida. And they stopped in a town called Leesburg, Florida to repair their bus, which makes sense because Leesburg, Florida is well known as the bus repair capital of Florida.

50:28And so they decided to take the whole day off, the day they were going to spend the night in Leesburg. So they were just messing around that day. And again, they had a show the night before, and everybody was either hungover or still messed up from the night before. Apparently, Randy Rhodes and Ozzie had had an argument backstage at the Knoxville show because Randy Rhodes was concerned about Ozzie's behavior. He was like, you're going to die young. You're going to kill yourself if you keep this up. Ozzie didn't like that, so he stormed off. And they hadn't made up yet because Ozzy was still sleeping.

50:59And Randy was now awake and people were messing around in Leesburg. Yeah, he was sleeping on the bus. So the bus driver, he was a former commercial pilot. His name was Andrew Aycock. And there was a Beechcraft Bonanza propeller plane, a 1957 Beechcraft on the property. And he was like, hey, I can fly that thing. Let's take it for a spin. The plane was unguarded. And so he and initially keyboardist Don Airy and tour manager Jake Duncan got on board, flew around a little bit and landed safely. And then after that, he was like, hey, anyone else want to take a ride? Young, spirited, awesome Randy Rhodes is like, yeah, man, I'll go up there.

51:42That looks like a blast. And then the seamstress for the band, Rachel Youngblood, also boarded the plane. And while they were up there, Randy Rhodes is like, hey, Ozzy's sleeping off another hangover. Let's like buzz the bus and see if we can wake him up. So they did. Right. They did four times. And each time, Acock, Andrew Acock was like, I can get closer. We can do it faster. And they managed to do it three different times. On the fourth time, their luck ran out. And I guess his wing clipped the bus. And it doesn't take much pressure to send a plane going 150 miles an hour careening, spinning out of control.

52:19And that's exactly what happened. And the plane struck the ground and hit a tree. And Randy Rhodes and Rachel Youngblood were ejected, probably dead immediately, from the plane. I believe Andrew Aycock was left in the plane. It exploded into flames, but not before it had cruised into and taken a stop in some poor Schmoe's garage. Yeah. Ozzy slept through the plane hitting the bus that he was on somehow. That explosion woke him up. and apparently emergency services weren't quick to get there, but it's pretty clear that everyone, like, died immediately. The autopsy showed that ACOC still had cocaine in his system, and Ozzy was like, yeah, he testified that he was using coke, like, well into the night.

53:07He was the bus driver. Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, well into the night. This was the next morning, and his pilot's license had expired a long time ago, and, you know, that was it. We don't have any like black box recording or anything. It was just a huge loss to the music world and a huge, huge loss to the Osborne family who loved him so much. And Ozzy was already in bad shape. And this was the beginning of a very, very bad, dark time for him. Yeah, he said since that Randy Rhoads' death sent him spiraling down that path that Randy Rhoads had argued with him about getting off of in the first place. Because like you said, they formed some sort of bond that just didn't last very long and just broke Ozzy's heart, I guess.

53:51Yeah, super, super sad. It is sad. And I've been thinking, okay, how can we end this on a slightly higher note? And I've got it, Chuck. Kawaii metal.

54:03Do you know what kawaii means in Japanese? No. Cute, right? So cute. Kawaii metal means cute metal. It's Japanese metal. It combines J-pop, right, with metal, and it actually kind of works. So if you're curious about J-pop metal or kawaii metal, look up the bands Baby Metal and Lady Baby, and that'll be a pretty good start down your journey into the J-pop metal realm. All right. And I want to quickly, I know I promised in part one the Rolling Stone top 10 metal albums of all time, so I don't want to leave that off and I'll just quickly go through from 10 to 1 we've got Pantera with vulgar display of power Ozzy's Blizzard of Oz at 9 Megadeth Peace Cells but Who's Buying It?

54:508 Motorheads No Remorse at 7 Slayers Rain and Blood at 6 Sabbath Self-titled Black Sabbath at number 5 Number of the Beast from Iron Maiden at number 4 Judas Priest British Steel Great Record at number 3 Master of Puppets at number 2 from Metallica and number 1 with a bullet, Paranoid, from Black Sabbath. And I know what you're thinking. Where else is Iron Maiden? They were also at 13 besides number four with their debut record. Okay. I dispute a lot of that, but let's just not get into it, okay? It's a Rolling Stone list. You know how those go. They really, I think they're just trolls, essentially.

55:30Yeah, probably. Well, I think that's it, everybody. That's everything we have to say about heavy metal right now. And again, sorry we did not name check your favorite band. If you want to tell us to get into something, email us. We love that kind of thing. We hope you enjoyed this. We did the best we could. Thanks again to Livia for taking this journey with us. And since I said that, of course, it's time for Listener Mail.

55:55You know what? I'm going to call an audible here. I'm not going to do a Listener Mail. Instead, I want to shout out a book writer. I've been meaning to do this for a while, and it kind of fits because I know that the author Keith Rossin is into some heavy music. I don't know if it's metal or what. I just know he's into some pretty hardcore music. I took a flyer on a book with a cool cover a long time ago. Finally took it on vacation. It's a duology called Fever House. The second book is called The Devil by Name. Great, great horror books. I've never read horror in my life. There's a thread of humanity and And the characters and the heart of his stories are incredible.

56:39And then you've also got good horror stuff. Oh, yeah. So recommend Fever House and the Devil by Name from Keith. And then his upcoming book, I had shouted him out on Instagram. He got in touch. So we're kind of Instagram messaging now. And his book publisher sent me a galley of his new book out this fall. It's called Coffin Moon. This one's about vampires. And it is great. And so sign up for the presale. It's just, I can't wait to read what he does next. And Keith is like a super cool guy. So Fever House, The Devil My Name, and the upcoming Coffin Moon, which that one's about vampires. Like I said, it's excellent.

57:16Like Keith. Keith Rosson, R-O-S-S-O-N. Okay, since you said that, I've been trying to figure out how to shout out two horror movies that I've seen recently that are like, Oh, great. These are the best I've seen in a really long time. One's Japanese. It's got subtitles. It's called Best Wishes. Ringu? No. That was a good one, though. This is called Best Wishes to All. It's 100 times more off the chain than Ringu. It's not as scary as The Grudge or the Japanese version of The Grudge. It's just nuts. It's really good, though. Another one is one of the darkest horror movies I've ever seen. It centers on snuff films.

57:54It's called Red Rooms. They do such a good job that they don't even actually show any of the videos in question. and it's more about this woman's descent into madness, you know, being into this kind of stuff. It's just an amazing, amazing movie. It's not for everybody, but if it is for you, you will love this movie. And I think if you can just get past the weirdness and enjoy it, I think just about anybody could enjoy Best Wishes to All. I love it. I enjoy when we throw out these recommendations. That's great. Okay, Chuck. That was great. That was a great end to the metal episodes, too, I think.

58:32Good job. Yeah, those were fun. I feel like we could have done a part three, four, five, six, two, to be honest. If you want to get in touch with us about heavy metal or anything, you can send it via email. Send it off to stuffpodcasts at iheartradio.com.

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