Howard Hughes in Las Vegas

22:07Josh Clark:Yeah. And I guess this was before Elvis got there because I was wondering if the Memphis Mafia and the Mormon Mafia ever rubbed elbows. But probably not, because it sounds like the Mormon Mafia obviously would not have been anywhere near the gaming tables or the bars. Probably not. Although, you know, I don't know. But that's why they hired him. You know, he liked his loyalties, right? Yes. And like these were the people who interacted with him physically, personally, with tissues on their, like wads of tissues, of course. but they would inject him with his morphine, although he tended to do that more often himself.

22:43They brought him the tissues that he would use and they helped him communicate with Mayhew, along with tons of other stuff. But like these were the men who interacted with them. And like you said, there was a, he had like kind of a strange version of OCD where he was freaked out by other people's germs, was not afraid of his own germs. And so I have the impression that when these men would come in and say they had to do something like get his hearing aid out of the medicine cabinet in the bathroom, Howard Hughes would not go into that bathroom for a while and end up just like peeing on the carpet and covering it with tissues because, again, nothing wrong with his germs, but he couldn't bear to go into the bathroom for a while after somebody had been in there.

23:31Yeah. He also saved his own urine and peed in bottles.

23:36Josh Clark:I think that one has been confirmed, at least confirmed enough for Martin Scorsese to have Leo DiCaprio peeing in bottles and saving his own urine. And confirmed enough for Matt Groening. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I mentioned that he could, he had a reputation for sort of like, I'm surprised he didn't buy Baskin Robbins when he wanted that ice cream. But I guess he didn't need to since they made it for him. But he had a habit of doing that. One great example is when he would just sit around, like you said, naked and watch television and watch movies. And when he found out that there weren't like good movies showing in Las Vegas on the local TV at the time, he bought a local TV station and reportedly like programmed the lineup himself.

24:23Josh Clark:And there's one source that even says like, you know, if he missed the start of the movie at least one time, he would call down to the station and have them start it over again so he could see the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, that's what their purpose was, essentially. It just so happened that other people could watch the movies, too, you know? Right. He was obsessed with movies, and he would watch certain films. Like, he loved aerial combat films. One of the films he produced was Hell's Angels, which is about fighter pilots. He also loved Ice Station Zebra. Have you ever seen that movie? I've heard of it, but I've never seen it.

24:57Josh Clark:No. Howard Hughes saw it a lot, though, right? 150 times, they say. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, it's about like, it's a Cold War movie where the U.S. and the Soviet Union have a confrontation at the North Pole. So basically, it's like what's happening eventually in the next 10, 15 years. What movie do you think you've seen the most? Hmm. That is a great question, man. I am not sure. I have no idea what I've seen the most. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I definitely don't have a count, but if I had to guess, it would be probably either like Raiders of the Lost Ark or Spinal Tap or maybe Blazing Saddles. All good ones to watch over and over again.

25:43I genuinely don't know. I'll have to think about that. I'll blurt it out later. But you did bring up something I wanted to mention. Do you remember when I was like, you should never let a person write, direct, and star in a show? Did you find a good example? I did. I don't know if you saw this or not, but I told you to watch it. It's Onyx, the Fortuitous, and the Talisman of Souls. Did you ever watch that?

26:06Josh Clark:No, I don't even remember that, Rick. Okay, well, go watch it. It's on Prime. And this guy named Andrew Bowser wrote, directed, and stars in it. And it is just a lovely little movie. Okay. Yeah, it's definitely worth watching. And if his character annoys you, just hang in there. Okay. Okay? That's always a good caveat. Yeah. All right. So back to Howard Hughes, and hopefully you'll blurt out, you know, back to the future at some point or something like that. Yeah. I hope it's a good one. I do too. Well, it doesn't have to be. I'm going to be like, the remains of the day. Wait, was that Scorsese?

26:44Josh Clark:No, no, no. That was Merchant Ivory. Yeah, I think so. I was thinking of the other one set in High Society of New York. What did Scorsese did? With Daniel Day-Lewis and Winona Ryder. The Age of Innocence? The Age of Innocence, that was it. Okay. Which is just okay. All right, so where are we? All right, we're outside of Howard Hughes Hotel at this point. Oh, I know, I know. Oh, God, what is it? I know. It's probably Tide. One is Gleaming the Cube. Oh, wow. Or Days and Confused. Two different summers in my life. Every day I would get up and start my day watching Gleaming the Cube, and then several years later, I would start my day watching Dazed and Confused.

27:31So those two are probably the ones I've seen the most.

27:34Josh Clark:I have seen Dazed and Confused a lot as well. And so I will recommend to you, boy, this is going to go long today. That's okay. The Oral History of Dazed and Confused is a really one of the better books that I read last year. Oh, okay. It's called All Right, All Right, All Right. The Oral History of Richard Linklater's Days and Confused by Melissa Mares from 2020. And if you like Days and Confused, you will love this book. Do you have that book in front of you or you just have all that memorized? Well, I looked it up real quick because I always like to shout out the author. But next time I see you, I'll loan it to you.

28:08Josh Clark:It's great. Okay, thanks. You can just have it. All right. So where we were was outside Howard Hughes' hotel room because we need to talk about a little bit about what's going on in Vegas at the time. what's happening in that hotel is the hotel management is getting pretty upset because like I said he's supposed to be there a week and a half he keeps staying he keeps staying he's paying for all this stuff but they're still like hey listen man you've taken the entire floor of our hotel and we need this at one point I think Jimmy Hoffa himself made a polite quote unquote request that he be allowed to stay because he's you know he's got a lot of influence Howard Hughes, obviously.

28:45Josh Clark:But management finally was like, listen, we're going to physically throw you out of here. We need this floor for New Year's Eve. And Mayhew, his right-hand man, said, hey, listen, man, if you want a place to sleep, you damn well better buy the hotel. So again, Hughes was like, fine, I'll buy the hotel. And he bought it for$13.25 million and was all of a sudden in the hotel and casino business. Yeah. I mean, we talked very briefly about this in the History of Vegas episode. Yeah. But, yeah, I'm glad we're talking about this, too, because just that alone is worth an episode on. Like, that you don't want to get kicked out of a hotel, so you buy the hotel.

29:23He actually did that kind of stuff. And bear in mind, he didn't pick up a phone. He didn't write a note. He said, go buy this hotel. That's a fine idea. I don't want to move. I don't want to get up. Buy the hotel. That genuinely happened. Yeah.

29:39Josh Clark:And then once he got into the hotel and casino business, he was like, wait a minute. Casino earnings are taxed at a lower rate than these lousy stocks I've got. And he said, so you know what? I'm going to legitimately get involved in the casino and hotel business and literally try and make it a legitimate thing. Like he had a vision of Las Vegas to be, I think he said, as respectable as the New York Stock Exchange. He wanted to make it not a mob town that only kind of the seedy people would go to gamble. So he's the first one to have that real vision. And in 1967, started buying up hotels and casinos.

30:21Yeah. And again, like this was a time where the FBI essentially had like they were camped out in these hotels and casinos because they were conducting so many investigations all the time. Yeah. So this was a, it was a gamble, if you'll forgive the pun, unintentional, for him to buy this stuff because he did start to buy it in the eye of like changing the entire city. And that was not a given. We know it worked out in retrospect, but he didn't know that at the time. So it was kind of risky him doing that. Plus also he had to deal with the mob. He ended up buying six hotels from 1966 to 1968, hotel casinos, I should say.

31:02and almost all of them were from the mob, if not all of them.

31:05Josh Clark:Yeah, he bought the one he was in, the Desert Inn. He bought the Sands, he bought Castaways, the Silver Slipper, the Landmark, and the Frontier. And not only did he have a vision for Vegas as sort of a legitimate town where people and corporations could do business and possibly families might even come one day, but he wanted it to be what he called an environmental city of the future. He didn't want, because again, he was a germaphobe. So he had this vision of a smogless city with an efficient government where it was like taxpayers didn't have to get fleeced. And like he like sort of as a utopia almost.

31:41Yeah. Let's talk about that city of the future. Some of the stuff he wanted to do to Vegas and Nevada to kind of create that city of the future. Sure. Remember when I said that, I think that he could have had a pretty good chance of getting the Cheesecake Factory to sponsor Factory Seconds podcast with Adam and Ben. There's also a toss up because he might have been turned down. He had a lot of ideas that the local county and city and state legislatures were like, hey, that's a great idea. We'll get back to you on that. Some of the ideas were just terrible as well. But he was essentially trying to shape Vegas into his own image.

32:25Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. He had a sort of list of things that he proposed but never really got done. And, like, he had a ton of influence. Like, he got this casino without having to appear before the Gaming Commission or anything like that to get licensed. Like, that's how much pull he had. Like, you're not supposed to be able to buy a casino that easily. And in fact, that would open the door for the Nevada Corporate Gaming Act, which made it easier for public companies to get into the business because previously they had a requirement that every stockholder had to submit background checks to be involved in Las Vegas.

33:00Josh Clark:So that went away and really opened the door. So all this to say he had a ton of pull and could really get things done, but he has a laundry list of things he wanted to get done that they all were just sort of like, yeah, we'll look into that. Yeah, there was this great list in the Las Vegas Review Journal that some of the stuff he was pushing for, he wanted to keep dog racing illegal. I could not find what his issue with dog racing was. He wanted to repeal the sales tax, gas tax, cigarette tax. He wanted to keep Clark County School District segregated. So now you're starting to be like, oh. He wanted to prohibit the booking of talent from communist countries.

33:42It's kind of, I could see that being a 1960s sentiment, not just his. He wanted to outlaw rock festivals. Boo. He wanted to, and I could not find out why for this one either, but he wanted to require Vegas or Clark County to consult with him before they realigned any streets. I don't, I could not find out why. Do you have a guess?

34:07Josh Clark:No, I think he, I don't know. What was the last one? The last one was he wanted to be exempted himself from having ever to go to court or any board for any reason at all. Like he wanted to ensure that he could stay in that room. He also wanted to get rid of the nuclear testing site nearby. They did not do that. And he also wanted to, like I said, he had a big problem with the water. He thought the water was dirty. And once he found out that Lake Mead fed water into a system where, you know, kind of like it's very common today where wastewater is treated and fed back into the system, he was like, no, no, no, you need to get rid of that.

34:47Josh Clark:And they were like, yeah, we're not going to do that. No, because there will not be any more Las Vegas without that water supply. Yeah. And by the way, if everyone is horrified that I booed outlying rock festivals and not keeping things segregated, that's because there's a larger point to be made later about Howard Hughes being very racist, which he had a long reputation of being very racist against black Americans specifically. Yeah, that was something that I my eyes were opened about. Like I was never like, I've got Howard Hughes t-shirts and I love him. He's my hero or anything like that. But I had no idea that he was kind of a bad person in a lot of ways.

35:29Very sympathetic in the sense that he had one of the worst documented cases of mental illness of any kind of public figure of all time. So I sympathize with him for that. But he also just the views he held and some of the things he did were just terrible, like really kind of added up to making him a not great guy. Like one other thing, his first wife divorced him because he locked her in the house for three weeks. Like he was an abusive person even. And yes, he had horrible problems. A lot of it was from his upbringing, but that still doesn't excuse a lot of the stuff he did or the views he held.

36:08Josh Clark:In September of 1968, here's another example. He had, it was going to be the first annual Desert Inn Invitational Tennis Tournament. Yeah. Like a very big high profile tournament. And he tried to cancel it because he found out that Arthur Ashe, an African-American, was going to be competing. And he was worried about his, you know, black fans coming to his casino to watch. So Mayhew was like, listen, man, we can't cancel this thing. It'll be all right. In a little bit of sweet victory, Arthur Ashe ended up winning the singles title of that tournament, which is pretty awesome. And he but he was stopped sort of right there as far as his casino empire goes.

36:46Josh Clark:I think at the six that he bought because he tried to buy another one and got the initial sort of A-OK. But then the Fed stepped in and said, you know what, this you're on your way to getting Monopoly on Las Vegas gambling. So they filed an antitrust lawsuit against him and he was never able to get that seventh casino. So he's kind of locked in with the six. Right. They said, go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect two hundred dollars. Should we take another break? Yeah. All right. We'll be right back after this.

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40:13Okay, Chuck. So Howard Hughes, at the time when he still hasn't left his hotel room and he's changing the face of Las Vegas. He's changing the city at its core just by buying these things up and not being a mobster. And so the local politicians are just like, this guy is saving the city. He's giving it an actual bright future. Just his involvement, the fact that America is now starting to associate Las Vegas with this beloved figure, Howard Hughes, who they remembered him before he started to decline. So that was everyone's image. They were just like, that guy is just reclusive now. They had no idea what was going on with Howard Hughes at the time.

40:57So this very respected person was now associated with Las Vegas, which is great. That actually attracted other respected businessmen who decided to kind of follow in Hughes' footsteps or rival him, if you were looking at it from Howard Hughes' perspective. And the first one was Kirk Kerkorian. He was a billionaire who built the International Hotel in, I think, 1968. And Howard Hughes was not happy about that at all.

41:30Josh Clark:No, he tried to stop it because it was going to be the largest hotel, not only in Vegas, but the largest hotel in the world. And the first big sort of giant resort in Vegas. And Hughes was like, I got to stop this thing. So he got kind of consumed with halting its progress to no avail. So eventually when the International Hotel was like, all right, we got a big grand opening night and event. Howard Hughes says, yeah, you know what? I've got one that's even better at my hotel. a huge event that had not even, you know, he literally just kind of blurted that out, had no plan for this event, apparently spent like weeks and weeks just like working on the guest list, like he was entirely consumed by this, and Mayhew had to kind of pull it out of his rear end to make any kind of event happen.

42:19Yeah, he really was Mr. Burns, and I get the impression Mayhew is Mr. Smithers. Yeah. So, yeah, what it was was the grand opening of the Landmark Hotel and Casino, which had been built just a couple of years before. But I think they had stopped just short of completing it. So he came in and bought it. The reason he bought the Landmark is because it was 31 stories. And Kirk Kerkorian's International Hotel was going to be 30 stories. So right off the bat, that attracted Hughes. And then he had the grand opening the day before Kirk Kerkorian's. just as petty as you can be. Kerkorian had the upper hand, though.

43:00Like, this was a massive, very nice, huge casino hotel. And the landmark was not built. It was poorly built and designed as far as running a profitable hotel or casino goes. It was just too small for that to really turn a profit.

43:18Josh Clark:Yeah, that couldn't figure out how they allowed him to buy that when they had just stopped them from purchasing the 7th. But the only guess I have is that this thing was in such bad shape, they were like, well, at least if Hughes buys it, it'll not be a blight. I think it's also possible he bought it right before he went to go buy the Stardust. Oh, okay. Because they were both in 1968, and the feds objected sometime in 1968, like the second half of it. So it's possible that he bought it before then. I don't know. All right. So we should point out, you know, you said he wasn't mobbed up, but the mob was still there.

43:55Josh Clark:It's not like he moved in and the mob moved out. They basically just had people working on the inside at Hughes' casinos and were fleecing him. You know, everyone's always on the take and skimming from the top or the bottom. And that's just how it worked in Vegas. And that's what they did to him. Apparently, in less than four years, the mob skimmed about 50 million bucks off of Howard Hughes. And even as rich as he was, that put him in pretty dangerous financial shape. Yeah, for sure. He, don't worry about him. He was still mega rich. But eventually he got to the point where he was like, I'm sick of Vegas.

44:32And he decamped in the middle of the night. I think four years to the day. I think he showed up on Thanksgiving Eve of 1966 and left Thanksgiving Eve of 1970. I don't know why, but it's pretty circular and complete. He left Vegas on a stretcher because he was unable to walk around himself, certainly go down a fire escape, set of fire escape stairs, which they allegedly took him out of under the cover of night. They put him on a plane. They flew him to the Bahamas where he set up at the Xanadu Beach Resort and basically did the same thing. Camped out there, outstayed his welcome and bought that place next.

45:14Josh Clark:Yeah, I think that's definitely where Scorsese went off book and made stuff up because in the movie, at one point after all this time there, you see the door open up to his room and he kind of with a shirt on and pants on kind of walks out and everyone's like, oh, my God, like, how are she's just left his room? or you know I think the woman in the scene is like Mr. Hughes like no one had seen him and he was like I don't have shoes I need shoes and then he leaves and goes and sees Ava Gardner and she helps him with his like clearly OCD with like washing his hands and stuff but I don't know if that stuff never happened or if it was just artistic license or what I don't know I saw that he is known to have left his room three times in the four years he was there and they were all for like business meetings, and those are basically the times that he shaved and washed and cut his hair and cut his fingernails, and, like, that was it.

46:08I don't know. Maybe one was to go see Ava Gardner, but, I mean, we're talking Hollywood here, you know?

46:14Josh Clark:Yeah. It's always just weird, though, when there's a biopic that just strays so far, but it was toward the end of the movie, so maybe Scorsese was like, having him go to the Bahamas and doing the same thing is not a good ending. That's right. We need to give him like a magical cricket in his wishes to become a real boy. Oh, man, those are two pretty good Scorseses. Who knew? I didn't know. Did I just do a good Scorsese? I was just doing you doing Scorsese. Well, I think we both did a pretty good one. And that means, you know, one day when we stop doing this show, maybe we have a second act as a co-Scorsese on stage bit.

46:50Well, that's a good one.

46:51Josh Clark:Scorsese v. Scorsese starring Josh and Chuck. That's right. We just talk about how good movies were. Welcome to the show, everybody. All right, so where are we? I guess we should cover his passing. He died on April 5th, 1976 on a plane flight from Mexico to Houston. And he was 70 years old at the time. They listed the cause of death as kidney failure. After he died, Mayhew was let go. and his holding company, remember that 40 square miles I talked about where he was going to put Hughes Aviation? That is now Summerlin, a planned community just outside Vegas. Yeah? Yeah. And also, like, I think a lot of people are like, yeah, Howard Hughes got rid of the mob in Vegas, and that's just not the case.

47:42Like, he had a huge effect on Vegas. The mob getting out of Vegas was mostly the Justice Department, But his, again, his name attached to Vegas made it okay for Americans to start coming and turn Vegas into an actual legitimate tourist destination. And he, it wasn't him specifically buying these casinos. We say that because it, you know, it essentially was, but his corporation, Sumo Holding Corporation, was the one actually buying them. So that opened the door to other corporations buying casinos, like tearing them down, building brand new casinos that Ace Rothstein basically said it was like Disneyland at the end of casino.

48:23know, and then it's like checking into an airport. That all started thanks to Howard Hughes.

48:31Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. As far as like, you know, the postmortem on what he had going on in his life and his autopsy, he weighed 93 pounds at the time of death and apparently had enough codeine in his system. They said to stop five beating hearts. And even though it was kidney failure, technically, neglect is kind of what the doctors talked about. He didn't have a will. The very famous movie I know we talked about before on the show, Melvin and Howard, about supposedly Howard Hughes, played by Jason Robards. I think Howard Hughes' middle name was Robard. It's a really good movie, a little indie from the 1980s, I think.

49:14Josh Clark:Maybe 70s, but I think 80s. but there were a lot of fake wills that turned up after his death. But his$2.5 billion estate in 1976 dollars was then sort of, I guess, sort of up for grabs. Yeah, a lot of people came forward like, that belongs to me. No, that belongs to me. I think 11 or 12 people ended up splitting the whole estate, but a group of them hired an attorney who hired Raymond Fowler, who at the time was the head of the American Psychological Association. Oh, yeah. to conduct a psychological autopsy, they called it, on Howard Hughes to basically determine his mental competence toward the end of his life.

49:55And this gave the world, again, people were just like, wait, he weighed how much? How long was his hair when he died? What was going on when he died? Like all that news started to come out. This gave the world like an actual psychological profile. You're not supposed to you're not supposed to diagnose anybody, any patient that you've not actually interviewed or taken care of yourself. But Fowler basically did as good a job as you possibly could in in, you know, creating a psychological sketch of somebody just from the research he did.

50:29Josh Clark:Yeah, tons of research, like obviously interviewing staff and reading newspaper documents, court depositions, personal letters that he wrote back and forth with his mother, phone call logs, pilot logs. And, you know, where we ended up was he most certainly had OCD. I think everyone kind of agrees on that. His germophobia, they think, may have stemmed from his childhood. Apparently his mother was a germaphobe and constantly worried about little Howard getting sick from polio. And so she was checking him every day for signs of polio. And they think, yeah, it probably stemmed from that childhood with his mom.

51:11For sure. There's also like, I mean, just the intense loathing he had of germs and the instructions that he gave his staff for interacting with inanimate objects in his room, like using tissues and stuff like that, like that in and of itself is like, yeah, he clearly had OCD. But to be able to trace it back to, you know, his mother's influence, who seemed to have been a hypochondriac herself. Yeah, he was definitely set up from the outset to have some serious troubles throughout his life. And they really became full-blown after he injured himself and adopted morphine and stopped taking care of himself.

51:54Josh Clark:Yeah, I know the Aviator covered it in, you know, 12 minutes or so, but I think there's an entire film of the Vegas years to be made. I was looking for a documentary on it, and I could find basically nothing. I was really surprised. Yeah, that is surprising. I thought American Experience would have done it or something, but no, nothing. Huh. So, yeah, we just had to make all this stuff up. Well, I wonder if one reason there's not a documentary is just because there's so little, there's zero footage. and I think that one photo, so it's just a lot of talking and Ken Burns-style photos of mobsters, I guess.

52:30Josh Clark:Right. Just pan across the photo and everybody will be cool with it. Yeah, you could make a movie, though. Yeah, they did. Maybe we'll do that after our Scorsese bit. Yes, there you go. You got anything else? I got nothing else. Well, if you want to know more about Howard Hughes in Las Vegas, build a time machine and go pound on his door until he lets you in. But bring a bunch of Kleenex, and it's time for listener mail. That's right. This is a bit of a myth busted from our Aussie friends, although this Benjamin here is from Albuquerque. But we did get other emails from Aussies, so apologies for not reading one from the native land.

53:08Josh Clark:But guys, in the kangaroo episode, Josh mentioned, and I was on board too, so you're not taking the ball for this. Okay, good, thanks. That the origin of the word kangaroo may have come from a misunderstanding of an aboriginal person saying, I don't know. I think the origin for this myth might be the film Arrival from 2016, in which Amy Adams, linguistics professor character, tells the kangaroo story to Forrest Whitaker in relation to the misunderstandings that may happen when communicating with the aliens. In the next scene, Jeremy Renner tells her that he's surprised to hear the story, to which she says it's not true, but it illustrates my point.

53:44Josh Clark:I'm not a learned linguist myself, so I can't provide any more information about it, but it's certainly an interesting idea. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that has possibly multiple times, happened possibly multiple times throughout history. Also, I find it interesting that you mentioned the film Enemy at the end of the episode, because Arrival was also directed by Denis Villeneuve. It's a phenomenal film that I highly recommend if you haven't seen it. Yeah, it is. Yeah, but you recommended it, and we've both seen it, so take that, Benjamin. Yeah. No, I think he was talking about Arrival. Oh, yeah, yeah, I saw Arrival, too.

54:16Yeah, it is I've seen that a couple of times. It's great.

54:18Josh Clark:Well, we didn't get that from Arrival, but we definitely got people that wrote in and said that was a myth about the origins of the kangaroo name. Right. And hopefully Arrival got it from the fact that it's a myth and the myth didn't arise from Arrival. Right. Because that means that we got duped by Arrival. And we like to think that we're better researchers than that. I'd like to think so. All right. Well, who was that again? Benjamin. Thanks a lot, Benjamin. Sorry about that one. And thanks for setting us straight. and to all of our Aussie listeners who set us straight. We appreciate it. And if you want to get in touch with us like all of our Aussie listeners did, you can send us an email to stuffpodcast at iheartradio.com.

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