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25:44That's why he was there. Right. Exactly. And it's fun now, in retrospect, us talking about it here in 2023 in the studio. I'm sure it was not a great day for Sewell Crocker. No, I don't think they were drawing straws, though. You know what I mean? Like the rich 31 year old, which had TB is definitely saying, all right, hit the road on the bike. Yeah. My friend. We're equals in almost every way. But hit the trail on the bike. Right. All right. So Packard did so two months later, like you said, and Oldsmobile did the same thing a month after that, I believe. Much the same operation, you know, fully sponsored and like rigged up and everything.

26:22So they tore out the back seat on this Winton. I don't think we mentioned this thing could go 250 miles with their tank of fuel, which was way more than I thought. Yeah, for sure. I was super impressed. So they ripped out the backseat, which doesn't look like it was much of one anyway, and packed, you know, cooking kits, tons of rope. Something that would probably be the most valuable thing in the whole car was a pulley system, a block and tackle. Yeah, for sure. They had a Kodak camera. They had sleeping bags. They had a shovel and axe. They had a bunch of guns and ammunition because they might be hunting for food out in the middle of nowhere or just maybe want to murder someone.

27:08Yeah. Or just like shooting out of an un-topped car is probably pretty fun when no one's around. I bet that is fun. So, yeah. The problem is, is like they weren't experts at tying down their gear. Yeah. And they would get to, like, a stop probably basically every day and find that something they needed had dropped off at some point, like, back on their trail. And that they had gone too far to go back to try to find it. So they lost, like, cooking utensils. Horatio lost multiple pairs of his eyeglasses. It's just crazy to me that they weren't, like, put a tarp on it and wrap the tarp up and then put rope on the tarp, you know?

27:49Yeah. Who knows? But they did lose a lot of stuff. And luckily, like you said, they didn't lose that block and tackle. It would really come into play multiple times. But they made a really good decision early on. Number one, they followed, I can't remember his first name, but Mr. Winton's, Alexander Winton's example, and started out west. So what they would be doing is getting the hardest part of the trip out of the way first while the car had very few miles on it, right? Yeah, which was a nice little copy. But then they made a really, really great decision. And I think the decision that, frankly, made them a success in the end.

28:31Did I just spoil it? I guess we talked about what a great story it was. It wouldn't be great if they conked out in Michigan. True, true. But they decided to go at hundreds of miles to their trip by not just taking a right and going across the country, but going north up through Oregon to avoid that Nevada desert. And that, my friend, even though there was some treacherous mountains that they had to go through, avoiding that desert, I think, is what ultimately made them successful. Yeah. I mean, hundreds of miles added to the trip. But it was incredibly smart because, again, Wynton had bottomed out in that sand.

29:11That sand wasn't going anywhere. At the very least, there were wagon trails and stuff up in Oregon. and they were able to kind of make their way along these, the railroad tracks that were there. So there were railroad right-of-ways, which is the land cleared on either side of a railroad track. And they would drive on those, or if they had to, drive on the railway themselves. And they would ride on railroad bridges in a car that could go 30 miles per hour max. Yeah. And hope to God that there wasn't a train that was going to come. And I was like, man, I'm so glad I watched Stand By Me a couple days ago.

29:48I was just about to bring that up. I knew you watched it. It's such a great part of that movie. And I was telling you, like, that was a masterpiece. Like, that is Rob Reiner's masterpiece. And he's made some pretty great movies. But it is exponentially better than I even remembered as a kid. I'll throw Spinal Tap in there, but I know. Have you still not seen that? That's what I'm saying. No, it's great. That's a great movie. I think When Harry Met Sally is a great movie. Like, there's tons of great movies Rob Reiner's made. But I think Stand By Me might be the best. Yeah, it's a great movie. I love that scene when they put their hands on the rail.

30:23Yeah. And it just gets real quiet, and they're listening. They're like, do you feel any vibration at all? And that's probably what these guys were doing. I'm sure. But they were doing it bumping along in their open car. Yeah. Also, shout out. I don't know if Will Wheaton still listens to us. I know he used to. But, man, all of those kids did a great, great job. job, but he really did a magnificent job acting in that movie. So way to go, Wheaton, if you're listening. Great movie. I love it. I'm going to watch it too now that you're talking about it in Vegas. It made me nostalgic for it, for sure.

30:54All right. All right. So we are at leave time, which was May 23rd, 1903. That was a Saturday. Apparently it was a hot spring in California, and it rained that afternoon, and they took off from San Francisco and very quickly blew a tire out. It was like Romy and Michelle. Yeah, totally. And the Chronicle in San Francisco wasn't even covering it, basically. The San Francisco Examiner had a very short little piece about it, about a horseless carriage going from sea to sea. But it would build, as you will see with the press, as things went along. But it wasn't well covered at first and this the tire thing it was an issue i mean that car tires at the time would routinely blow out uh they had a hard time on the trip finding new tubes they would stock up on used tubes whenever they went to a town it seemed like that had any kind of tubes they would just buy them right and all your tubes yeah and it was it was um tires were an issue that would seem like one of the main issues yeah for sure um yeah because i mean you can imagine there's not people selling car tires because there were so few cars.

32:07And out west, they kept encountering people who had never seen a car. I saw mention of that Packard team that was riding. I think Tom Fetch was the Packard guy who was driving the car. And they pulled into one town where a murder had just been committed. And so few people had seen a car in that town that everybody left the fresh murder scene, including the sheriff, to come look at the car that had just rolled into town. Like, that was, like, what it was like out west at the time. So, of course, you weren't going to find car tires easily. You had to improvise any way you could. Sure, and a murdered body out there back then was a dime a dozen.

32:44Dime a dozen, yeah. He's not going anywhere. That's right. Let's go check out that new car. Yeah, he's not going anywhere. So, they're going east. They're going through some treacherous terrain. They're going through the Cascade Mountains. It's fun in the documentary to hear the diary or letters home to his wife where he was talking about, you know, the roads that are basically big enough for one car because I can't remember exactly how he said it. But like because nature has made it that way, basically, like it's a cliffside on the side of a mountain. So luckily, you know, they're having to share the road with stagecoaches and horses and stuff like that.

33:23Not really any other cars, probably. But they would it was what you would think. They were constantly getting stuck, constantly blowing tires. I think the record was 18 times in a day they had to use that block and tackle to pull themselves out of a ditch or a river or a mud hole. That must have been the suckiest day ever. Yeah. And then the maps were an issue too, right? Yeah. They would have to rely on locals for directions. When they could find locals, a lot of times they just had to guess. I saw, again, that Packard team. Sorry to keep bringing them up. I know they're not what the story's about, but they learned to avoid the nicest roads because out west that usually meant that it just dead-ended in some rich person's house.

34:07And when you could find locals, they would sometimes just literally misguide you. There was one that Horatio and Sewell ran across, a woman on horseback who told them to get to the next town they should go down this road. And it dead-ended in her family's farm. It was her driveway, basically. Yeah, they came back the way they went and ran across her again. They're like, why did you do that? And she's like, oh, my dad and mom and husband would have wanted to see a car. They'd never seen a car before. So she purposefully sent them the wrong way down a dead end, miles down a dead end apparently too.

34:39And I did not hear that they had gotten angry with her or cross even. I think they probably just said like, good day to you, madam, and kept on. They should have said, you don't know this yet, but one day giving directions will be very important. it and this will not be cool. This is not going to reflect good on your family, Tina Manson.

35:01Did you like that? Tina. I just love Tina. It was so not a name back then. Tina Manson. I love it. Great choice. The breaks were kind of what you would imagine. They weren't great. So it was quite thrilling when they would get on these downhill runs and there wasn't a lot you could do about it. The clutch went out A lot. I mean, you know, we talked about our various van journeys out west. We were in a Volkswagen van for mine. And the mountains killed it. Like, we had to get a rental Jeep Cherokee in Nevada for the whole second half of the trip because going through the mountains literally killed his, and it wasn't like a brand new VW van.

35:45It wasn't one of the old ones, but it was like the Vanagon. But, like, it drove us from Atlanta to the mountains just fine. and the mountains killed it. So imagine what the mountains did to the clutch system on this, you know, lawnmower, basically. Yeah, I have to admit, until today, I did not know what a clutch did. I knew that the clutch was the thing you push in to shift gears. Never understood why. The reason why you push in is because you actually want to stop the clutch from working temporarily. Yeah. What the clutch does is it transmits the motor power or the motor's torque to the transmission, which in turn turns the axle to the tires, the wheels, right?

36:27That's my understanding of it. And when you're pressing in the clutch, what you're really doing is keeping that transfer from taking place so that you can go into another gear and then you let the clutch out and that transfer begins again. So, yes, the clutch is an extremely important instrument. The car does not go without it. And apparently Sewell Crocker had to fix that thing almost as many times as they used the block and tackle to pull themselves out of mud. Well, he was worth his weight, wasn't he? Oh, boy. Yeah, he was. They did have one modification they made, like, on the way there is they added a headlamp, an acetylene headlamp, so they could drive at night.

37:06Because they wanted to make up time, you know? Because there were times when they had to go to a town and wait for, I think one of them was like three or four days where they're waiting, ironically, for a stagecoach to show up with parts that they had ordered. There were times when a stagecoach or a guy on a horse would pull them out, ironically, again. Yeah, and I didn't get the impression that Horatio was trying to prove that horses were obsolete. No, I don't think so at all. I think he still saw it as pretty ironic that he still relied on horses in this horseless carriage. Yeah, I don't think he threw shade.

37:40Even when blacksmiths would make repairs, they pointed out in the documentary that, I think it was in one of his letters, he said it like the irony wasn't lost on him. But I don't think he was like, you're not going to have a job in a few years, sucker. Right. Right. That's what Segway makers said to people on foot. Didn't the inventor of the Segway drive off a cliff on a Segway? Oh, that sounds like an urban legend, but maybe one that's just crazy enough to be true. I'll have to look that up. Should we take a break? Yes, we'll take a break and look that up. All right, we'll be back here with the truth right after this.

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41:26Okay, we're back. And Chuck, it's true. BBC News says it. Yeah. Wow. Jimmy Heseldon was 62 when he rode off a cliff on his company's segues. It killed him, obviously? Yes, in West Yorkshire. That's sad. Yeah, it is sad for sure. But my God, that's quite a legend. It is. it's like Fabio getting hit in the face with a duck on a roller coaster. What? No, you know that. No? Fabio on a roller coaster, a duck flew across his path and hit him in the face. And killed him? No, no, no. Oh, okay. But it's one of these pictures on the internet where you're like, oh, that's got to be fake. And it really happened.

42:13Poor Fabio. I know. I feel bad for the guy. But it was also like of all the people for this to happen to, it was just it was pretty rich. Yeah, I can imagine. What is he a jerk? No, no, no. Is he? OK. But he's Fabio. And like, you know, that kind of stuff doesn't happen to Fabio. It happens to me. For sure. And me, too. Totally with you on that. Did you look up that picture? I'm watching the video right now. I can't not, Chuck. Maybe we'll have an episode someday where we just tell each other internet memes and the other one will look it up and then react on mic. And that's how we'll do it. Stuff you couldn't care less about will be the name of that new show.

42:56Stuff you really probably shouldn't bother listening to. All right. So let's pick up with the trip. It sounds like we're painting, and Ed, I'm glad he pointed this out. It sounds like we're painting a picture of an awful time because of all of the delays and all of the things that happened. And they knew what they were in for with this. They didn't think it was going to be a pleasure cruise. It was also a great, fun adventure. Like, these guys were having a great time. They were seeing things that few people had ever even seen in person before, even by horse at times. And they had no schedule.

43:28I mean, they were trying to beat this 90-day thing. But, like, I get the feeling he really just wanted to finish the trip. So, you know, he had money. They were staying in hotels. They were staying with people along the way who opened their homes to them. They were driving about two hours at a time. And it seemed like they were having fun at the same time. I have that same impression, too, for sure. And plus, don't forget, Sewell Crocker was making some pretty good money, too. Yeah, I didn't find that. What was he getting paid? I didn't see either. But we can go ahead and say at the end they tallied up how much Horatio Jackson spent on the trip.

44:05And this included Crocker's pay. It was about$8 ,000 back in 1903, which is$267 ,000 today. That's so much money. So if you think about it, hotels, food, supplies, gas. Repairs. Car parts, repairs. That still leaves a pretty decent amount for Sewell Crocker, and I hope he got a big chunk of that. I hope so, too. Chuck, I cannot, for the love of life, find this stupid picture of Fabio getting hit in the face. I found some ABC report, and it just shows him going into the roller coaster station after the ride, and his face is all bloody, and he looks really upset, but nothing about the actual hit.

44:44You know, I wonder if what I saw was a faked recreation of that, and there is only a before and an after. That would make sense that it looked Photoshopped then. I'm sorry. I just had to circle back on that because my disappointment was palpable. Oh, boy. So they're making their way out west, or I'm sorry, back east. And it's funny, they say back east, out west, up north, down south. So they're heading back east, and they come to Idaho. When I mentioned a third party in that photograph, we were holding out for this big surprise. In Caldwell, Idaho, they left without Jackson's coat, turned back to go get it.

45:28And this guy said, here, I have this pit bull named Bud, and he wants to go with you and be your mascot. And they said, hop aboard, Bud. And all of a sudden, they have this beautiful white pit bull in between the two of them. Yeah, he's routinely described as a bulldog, but he's pretty clearly a pit bull. He's a pity, and he's beautiful. And if this story couldn't get any better, now you have a pit bull in between you. and they made him doggles to protect his little eyes, and there's a wonderful photo of it in the documentary. Yeah, so they were, you know, like you said, they were getting pressed as they went from town to town, and they were like, oh, my God, a car.

46:09There's people actually trying to use it to cross the United States in that car. When Bud joined, people just went berserk over this whole thing, in part because he was wearing these goggles, but also he very quickly learned how to ride in the car. He would look ahead. He loved it. To look for ruts or bumps or whatever and would like brace himself. Like he just took to it very easily and became like this great mascot. So everybody started to really find out about this when Bud joined. And I don't get the impression that Sewell or Horatio were the least bit jealous. No. He paid him$15, which is$500 today for this dog.

46:49And Crocker said, hey, adopt, don't shop. And Jackson said, what does that mean? Right. And he said, no, don't worry about it. That comes later. So they're getting all this press, thanks to Bud. They make their way through sort of that toughest stretch of terrain. They're running out of food. They finally sort of cross out of the mountains. And they're like, all right, that was sort of it. Like, we think this is not literally, but this is sort of downhill from here. And in his letters, he was saying, I've never felt more confident now that we're going to make it to New York. And this is when they were in, like, Wyoming.

47:29Yeah, and then once they got to Omaha, it really got easier. And then after Omaha, Chicago, and then after Chicago, probably Cleveland or something like that, maybe Indianapolis in between. Like, city after city just started to pop up, and they were getting closer and closer. And there were much better roads. The railroad right-of-ways were just beautiful. sitting there for the picking. It's flat. And they started to really, yeah, they started to really make some pretty good time. Yeah, I think, how many miles did they top out at the day? I feel like it was like 70-something, which is not too bad.

48:05I don't remember, actually. I think the documentary said 70-something miles in a single day, like when they were kind of cruising, which that's awesome. That's a good time for that car. Yeah, that's not bad at all, especially considering it maxed out at 30 miles an hour. Yeah. So that was just like a two-and-a-half-hour day for them, I guess. Yeah, sure. But that really does go to point out just how slow they were going because of things like breaking down and waiting for parts and just the roads being terrible. And I mentioned Cleveland, too. They actually, when they showed up in Cleveland, that's where the Winton Motor Carriage Company was located.

48:45And we didn't say, I don't think, that Wynton had by this time heard about the whole trip and that they were actually making pretty good headway, right? Yeah. So he got – he sort of officially offered to kind of sponsor them from that point on. And Jackson turned him down. He was like, no, I've got Packard and Oldsmobile behind me, and I don't want this to become like a corporate sponsored thing. Like, we've made it this far. We can make it the rest of the way. And they did go by the factory, and they got some fanfare, and I think they helped him out with fixing this car up and stuff. They got free beer koozies.

49:21Exactly. Refrigerator magnets, and they were on their way. Yeah, I'm sure they probably fixed the car up a little bit, but Winton was talking like, we'll have gas like every 100 miles for you kind of thing. We'll send a technician to ride along with you. I'm sure the idea of adding a third stranger or a stranger to this mix by this time was just unthinkable. So, yeah, they turned them down. But they made it through Cleveland. They made it all the way to Buffalo. It wasn't until Buffalo, New York, that they had the worst wreck that they had, where all three of them, Sewell, Horatio, and Bud, were ejected from the car because they hit something.

50:00Horatio only mentions it as a hidden obstruction. So I'm not sure if he ever knew what it was. But none of them were injured, and the car was okay, so they just kept on keeping on. So take us home. When did they they pulled into Manhattan, didn't they? Finally, on July 26th at 430 a.m., 63 days, 12 hours and 30 minutes after they set out from San Francisco. They made it to Manhattan, New York. And Horatio Nelson Jackson won his bet, which, by the way, he never collects it on. Oh, I was curious about that. He didn't? Nope. What a stand up guy. Yeah. Or he's like, I'm never going out west again.

50:41It's too long of a ride. And there to greet him was throngs of press and journalists, people from the Winton Car Company, and swipes. The old girl herself right there. Yeah, that's so cool. I love that they had like a great relationship, and he had a great relationship with Sewell, and everybody loved Bud. And if you're wondering what happened to Bud, Bud lived out the rest of his days on the Jackson Farm in Vermont, in Burlington. And that's not a euphemism for like— Right. He really got lost and died. Right. No, he really did live out his days there. That's great. Jackson went on to live a very interesting life after this even.

51:19He had a number of businesses that he ran. He joined the military in World War I in his 40s and apparently became a decorated veteran. Probably collected tobacco baseball cards at the time. Probably so. So I think he ran for governor and lost, governor of Vermont at one time and lost. I don't know how he lost. I don't know who in the world would vote for someone else other than this guy. Right. And donated that car, the Vermont, to the Smithsonian, which, and those doggles, Ed has seen this in person. I don't think I have, even though I've been there. Or maybe I didn't. I just didn't know the story at the time.

52:00Maybe. It seems like you'd be able to recall a car like that. I don't know. I've been to a lot of museums. Seen a lot of old cars Right Sadly, Sewell Crocker, he died young He contracted an illness And died in 1913 So he was about 40 No, 30-something, early 30s I think he was 31 He had been sent to Mexico, I think To protect some land During the revolution there And he The stress of it killed him, essentially Is how I saw it Jeez, that's really sad I know it is. So that's really the only big sad thing that happened, aside from Bud getting ejected from the car in Buffalo, New York. A nice little cherry on top here that Ed found, too, was six years after this trip, a woman named Alice Ramsey and three of her friends became the first woman and women to accomplish this same thing.

52:54they were sponsored by Maxwell Briscoe an automaker and they did the trip in 59 days in basically the same or maybe just barely slightly better conditions than Jackson and Crocker did it in so they pulled it off and they kind of encountered the same issues and they got a lot of press at the time and obviously did a lot to advance you know to shine a light on what women were capable of doing, which was driving a car through terrible circumstances for 59 days. Right, exactly. Also, despite being described as pretty in every single article that was written about them at the time. Yeah. So one other thing that was kind of a note about this is that 30 years after Horatio and Sewell and Budd made their trip, The record was set that stood for decades.

53:52Fifty-four hours. So two and a half days. A guy named Erwin Cannonball Baker made a famous run from New York to L.A. And I think about 40 years after that, in the early 70s, Car and Driver magazine editors said, this Cannonball Baker guy, he deserves his own place in history. So we're going to commemorate him with a recreation of his run. We're going to call it the Cannonball Run. That's right. And if you want to learn more about that, we, was that a two-parter? It was just a one-parter. I think it was probably one of our 15-minute episodes. No, that was a good one. It was a good one. I'm just saying we used to do them real short back then.

54:31I can't believe I didn't talk that much back then that we could actually record an episode that was 15 minutes long. I think we probably talked for 15 minutes about Burt Reynolds. Probably. Probably, but that was probably the episode, too. Yeah, you're right. You got anything else? Uh, no. I don't either, which means it's time for listener mail. I'm going to call this short but sweet Amazon factoid. Okay. Hey, guys, about a quarter of the way into the episode at the moment, the episode reminded me of our trip up the Amazon to, I don't know, is it Manaus or Manaus, M-A-N-A-U-S? I think Manaus. Manaus?

55:13And back on a Viking ocean cruise. He said, surprisingly, ocean cruise ships can go that far, about a thousand miles. Who knew? On the cruise, our Amazon guy told us that what I think is the greatest bit of trivia I've ever heard. The volume of water leaving the mouth of the Amazon is equal to the volume of water going over Niagara Falls, Victoria Falls. I'm going to do my best with my pronunciation on this falls in South America. Iguazu, perhaps? Very nice. our South American listeners should write in and let us know. Right. So it is the volume of water leaving the mouth of the Amazon is equal to those three giant balls.

55:51Wow. Times 12. Wow. I was not expecting that extra little bit of math right there. I think that's what makes it amazing. That's from Rich Pope. Thanks, Rich Pope. Great name, too. Really gets it across. Rich Pope. Yeah. Good to meet you. You know? Yeah, agreed. Well, it's good to meet you, too, Rich Pope. And if you want to be like Rich Pope, you can email us as well. Send it off to stuffpodcasts at iheartradio.com Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeart Radio. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts are wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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