You Are Not Alone With Postpartum Depression

15:02Chuck Bryant:So POCD, this to me sounds like the hardest to deal with because I think you're probably the least likely to step forward and say, I need some help, everybody. But it's obsessive compulsive disorder that develops way more quickly than typical obsessive compulsive disorder, usually very shortly after birth or after the baby's born. And it's, you know, like ritual behaviors, like checking on the baby incessantly, worrying that the baby's going to get contaminated with germs, and lots of intrusive thoughts that can be super disturbing.

15:41Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think it's a natural tendency if you've, especially for a first time parent to have this new, seemingly very fragile tender thing that you're in charge of keeping alive. It's a pretty natural instinct, I think, to maybe think like they're so small and so fragile. aisle. So my dumb advice, just as a parent, is like, they're more robust than you think, and they're made to survive, and they're made to live, generally speaking. So you have that on your side. But I can see how it's pretty easy for maybe someone to go down this road of worrying about germs or checking on the baby every like 10 minutes in the middle of the night And to become sort of obsessive, this, the POCD can cross the line into some even unwanted sexual obsessions.

16:36Josh Clark:Like a mother apparently can have sexualized images flashing through their mind while they're changing a diaper, which is just sort of creates a cycle of you thinking like, what's wrong with me? What's going on? I'm having this weird thing flash through my head. Right. And in reality, that's all it is, is just like a sleep or your hormones or something just really unusual that flash through your head. And as an intrusive thought, it does not mean that that's who you are or what or you're leading to some awful outcome.

17:10Chuck Bryant:Right. And I think that's kind of worth saying again, Chuck, because this is the kind of thing that you would not. Who are you going to tell that to? I know. I'm having sexualized thoughts about our baby.

17:20Josh Clark:Yeah. Yeah, right.

17:21Chuck Bryant:You're not going to tell that to anybody. It's going to be so tough to admit that. So you have to know that is not you. It is your hormones. It is not you. You do. You have not suddenly developed a sexual attraction to infants or children. Like it's not you. So if you're having thoughts like this, you're not alone. It's actually more common than you would think. and like you can get treatment for this and you should get treatment for it because you're probably really being hard on yourself right now.

17:51Josh Clark:Yeah, and you know, and if you give into that thought, then that's when you're maybe avoiding bathing your baby or avoiding caring and holding for your baby. So it's a tough thing to come forward and talk to people. So that's why it's really great to have a great support system of other moms, friends and families to people to lean on Because I guarantee you, if you say the weirdest thought you've had out loud in a group of moms, there will be a couple of them that are like, I had the same thoughts. It's okay.

18:22Chuck Bryant:Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully you have a group like that or can find one, you know?

18:26Josh Clark:Yeah.

18:27Chuck Bryant:Then there's postnatal mood and anxiety disorder, which essentially is a really terrible positive feedback loop to where you feel like you're not bonding with your baby well enough or fast enough. And so you start to become anxious, which the baby picks up on and the baby becomes distressed or less likely to connect with you or pay attention to you, which makes it harder for you to read the baby, which makes it less likely for you to bond in any kind of quick fashion. And it just keeps going in this cycle.

19:01Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. And you know what? I want to recommend a podcast because if you maybe are a little more isolated and you don't feel like you have this or if you just don't have this sort of support system around you, our old buddy Jesse Thorne, who runs the Maximum Fun Network and co-hosts with Judge John Hodgman with our pal, his wonderful wife, Teresa, is she's just the best. And I don't think they do it anymore. But Teresa and Biz Ellis had a show called One Bad Mother. Oh, yeah, I remember that. For a long time. And I'm pretty sure they stopped doing it, but they did it for many, many years.

19:39Josh Clark:And One Bad Mother was just a great outlet and support system for just this kind of stuff. You know, the message was always like, you're doing just fine. You're doing okay. You think you're the worst and you're really the best. And like, you know, if you're having a hard time and you're you feel like you're alone in this, like turn on that podcast, like do something like that to know that you're not alone out there.

20:03Chuck Bryant:Right. And pour yourself a mega pint of wine and treat yourself to the bad moms trilogy in one sitting.

20:11Josh Clark:That's right.

20:13Chuck Bryant:So you want to take a break?

20:15Josh Clark:Yeah, let's take a break and we'll get into some statistics about other communities and how they deal with this.

20:33Chuck Bryant:30 years ago, an island off Manhattan almost brought down New York City.

20:38Josh Clark:Who will you trust? Your friends and neighbors? Or will you trust the people five miles overseas?

20:44Chuck Bryant:This is a story about neighbors turning on each other. And what happens when a forgotten place decides it's had enough.

20:53Josh Clark:We reached for a feeling that exists in this city, but we're not stopping, are we?

21:03Chuck Bryant:I'm Ben Nadeff-Haffrey, and for my new series on revisionist history, I took a deep dive into Staten Island's attempt to secede from New York City in the 1990s, and what it all has to do with the politics of resentment that dominate America today. Listen to Revisionist History, The Staten Island Problem on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

21:41Josh Clark:All right, everyone, we're back. We promised talk about statistics. And in this case, there are some pretty stark racial disparities when it comes to PPD. as far as the incidence of occurrence and, very sadly, treatment. Up to 40 % of Black and Latina moms suffer from PPD, which is about twice the rate of non-Hispanic white moms. And single Black mothers are six times more likely than the general population to experience it. Really sadly, Latina women and Black women are 57 % and 41%, respectively less likely to start treatment for PPD than white women.

22:25Chuck Bryant:Right. And there's a lot of reasons for why they're less likely to start treatment. In part, there's a stigma, just like with any culture. I think in Latino culture, that stigma can be even stronger than white or black culture. But for, say, black women in particular, it can often go undiagnosed because it doesn't present as the classic symptoms that the Embra scale is designed to detect. Rather than depressive symptoms, a black mom might have irritability, self-criticism, deep fatigue, insomnia. These are not all necessarily shared by all new mothers. And so it just, the doctor just might miss it.

23:07Chuck Bryant:They might be like, hey, you're just aggro. Stop being aggro.

23:11Josh Clark:Right. You know? Yeah. Yeah, I think they came up with a different scale just for black mothers, right?

23:18Chuck Bryant:Yeah, the Jackson-Hogue-Phillips contextualized stress measure, which next time you have a party, give that out as a party favor for guests.

23:29Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. But that's great that they were like, hey, we have a hole in our treatment plan here as far as even diagnosing this in black women. So they came up with their own scale, which is awesome. basically everybody, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the AMA, the American Academy of Pediatrics, everyone recommends that everybody should be screened for perinatal depression. But very sadly, less than 20 % of all women are screened for these mental health disorders, and those numbers are a lot lower for women of color. Right.

24:05Chuck Bryant:So those are reasons why they might not actually go seek out treatment for PPD. There's also reasons why they're more likely to suffer from PPD in the first place, and those seem to center on social determinants of health. Yeah. Which is like your your environment, your income level, the amount of free time you might even have to go see the doctor. All of these things tend to be less than what a white mother would experience. And all of them help increase the likelihood of experiencing postpartum depression.

24:41Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure.

24:43Chuck Bryant:So regardless, Chuck, of whatever your ethnic or racial group, there are essentially the same causes. I mean, PPD, even though it might manifest itself differently, even though access to help for PPD is different, those are all human-made obstacles.

25:01Josh Clark:Yeah.

25:01Chuck Bryant:The biological basis for it is the same in every case. And essentially, it's a combination of hormones and the stark raving horror that is becoming a new parent.

25:16Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. Like we were saying, you're thrown into this brand new thing where your first charge is like, all right, keep this baby alive.

25:24Chuck Bryant:I mean, I cannot imagine.

25:27Josh Clark:I mean, I remember, and this is like, I imagine it's the same with adoption as with just, you know, a regular birth. But, you know, all of a sudden someone just hands you a baby and the nurses see the look on your face. And hopefully the nurses are all as great as ours were. They're just like, you're doing fine. They told us what I said. It was like, hey, these babies are meant to stay alive. You're going to be just fine. Just feed them this way. And you're on the right track by just getting food into their body. And so, you know, like I said, you know, evolution has happened in such a way where they want these babies to live.

26:09Josh Clark:So you've already got a bit of a head start. But being bombarded by hormones and a change in hormones is definitely something that's hard to deal with because your body's bombarded with hormones because you're pregnant to help you be successfully pregnant and to stay pregnant. And then immediately after, within like 72 hours, most of these hormones go back to their previous state. And that's just a big break to throw on.

26:38Chuck Bryant:Yeah. It's pretty mean of evolution, really, to just be like, here's all the stuff that you need to have a baby. Now you don't have a baby anymore. Who cares about you? And your baby's like, thanks for the ride, lady.

26:51Josh Clark:Right. They could have been like, well, let's just tap these down very slowly over the course of six months.

26:55Chuck Bryant:Yeah. What the hey? You know? I know. I'm a childless man. Sis even. And I am offended by that. I'm mad at natural selection for that. It's just totally unfair. It's just unfair.

27:10Josh Clark:Well, what are some of these hormones? Let's talk about them.

27:13Chuck Bryant:Well, you got good old progesterone. Everybody knows that one. That one won the Super Bowl last year.

27:19Josh Clark:That's right.

27:20Chuck Bryant:It helps you create your placenta that the baby's going to, I guess, attach to. I remember if I remember my health class from eighth grade correctly.

27:30Josh Clark:OK.

27:30Chuck Bryant:It also stimulates blood vessel growth, which helps get nutrients and oxygen to the womb. Progesterone, like any hormone, it's actually quite clever. We have a finite number of hormones. Not that many, actually. I'm not sure how many. But they do so many different things. And they do so many different things in combinations. It's just elegant and beautiful the human body can be, except when the hormone levels drop too quickly.

27:55Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. There's also, of course, estrogen that's going to help the uterus grow, contribute to fetal development as far as organs and things go. It's going to stimulate that milk duct development. Relaxin is another one. That's the most chill of all. That's going to inhibit uterine contractions until you need them. to avoid premature birth. And then it's going to do double duty and relax and soften the pelvic joints when you're preparing for birth. And then finally, we have oxytocin. They really shoot through the roof at the beginning of labor to stimulate uterine contractions. And then, again, like we said, within about 72 hours of birth, at least estrogen and progesterone that had increased tenfold just goes back to normal.

28:43Josh Clark:Yeah. And these huge hormonal swings are just tough to deal with. You know, it's tough to know which way is up.

28:50Chuck Bryant:Okay. That's just the hormonal, the biological aspect of it. There's also the environmental aspect of it, the nurture version. That was nature. This is the nurture part. And having a new baby comes along with all of a sudden you have to stay at home with your new baby and can't do anything. You aren't sleeping. I think that that is like kind of overlooked by people who've never had kids or underestimated, I think, maybe, or who haven't had kids that don't sleep very well. And then you also have to nurse. You have been physically gone through the ringer, taken through the ringer. Like there's all sorts of different things that come that are specific exclusively to just having had a baby that combined with the hormones, they just come together.

29:42Chuck Bryant:and at the very least give almost all new mothers the baby blues and then some moms postpartum depression, postpartum mood and anxiety disorder, postpartum psychosis, postpartum OCD.

29:56Josh Clark:Yeah. And, you know, as far as the sleeping goes, even if you have like a great sleeper like we did, you're still going to have disrupted sleep for a while because you have to get up and feed that baby in the middle of the night. And some people have a really hard time going back to bed. So this is when partners need to really, really, really, really, really step up. If you have a partner when you're having a baby, I can't imagine how tough this is on your own. But, yeah, step up. Take middle-of-the-night feedings. Let that mom get as much sleep as possible. And then they also say sleep when the baby sleeps.

30:32Josh Clark:So embrace those naps all day long. If, like, your baby has a great nap in the afternoon, so should you.

30:38Chuck Bryant:Right. Don't like your mother-in-law? Well, if she's willing to come over and watch the baby overnight, fake it.

30:45Josh Clark:Yeah. Oh, man. And we had a lot of help. So, like, because, you know, my mom and Emily's mom were both living here at the time. And so I just really feel for people that don't have that kind of help and feel like they're trapped at home. So my other advice as a sis dad is to get out in the world. You might think that your baby is just a walking sickness bomb waiting to happen if they go and breathe the world's air.

31:12Chuck Bryant:Yeah.

31:13Josh Clark:But there's nothing better than you can do for yourself and your baby than to get out in the world as much as possible as soon as possible.

31:19Chuck Bryant:Yeah.

31:20Josh Clark:They'll be just fine.

31:21Chuck Bryant:Great advice, Chuck. You are just rolling with it today.

31:24Josh Clark:Well, I hope I've learned something.

31:26Chuck Bryant:I think you've learned a lot.

31:28Josh Clark:Yeah.

31:29Chuck Bryant:So, yes, you have your hormone levels plummeting. That seems like a pretty good answer to where postpartum depression comes from, right? Yeah. But it turns out that they've zoomed in. They've gotten even more granular if you're like a C-suite type and have figured out that there's this one hormone in particular that really seems to be largely responsible. It's not the only one responsible for it, but it's a pretty – it got caught red-handed with like a bag with the dollar sign on it, wearing a black mask kind of skulking away.

32:03Josh Clark:That's right.

32:04Chuck Bryant:So what is it, Chuck?

32:05Josh Clark:It is allopregnanolone. It's funny. Dave wrote this, and he was like, good luck pronouncing that. And Dave, buddy, that one's pretty easy compared to a lot of the stuff that we see.

32:14Chuck Bryant:For sure.

32:15Josh Clark:But that is a steroid.

32:16Chuck Bryant:Just try saying deletrius.

32:18Josh Clark:That's a steroid naturally produced in the brain. And it plays a couple of key roles during pregnancy in that it inhibits the release of oxytocin, which we already talked about, to avoid premature labor, which you don't want. It also protects the developing fetal brain from all those stress hormones that mom has.

32:36Chuck Bryant:Right. Okay, so this is pretty great stuff. Unfortunately, just like all the other hormones, it says so long I've done my thing, like within, you know, a couple of days of having given birth. So all of a sudden, not only is this a hormonal change, this natural antidepressant has suddenly just vanished on you. And this can really seem to trigger postpartum depression in a lot of women.

33:05Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. So it's going to lower their anxiety for a while while they're pregnant and boost a mother's mood. And then after that baby is born, when it crashes out, it's it's probably feels akin to like going off an SSRI or something.

33:23Chuck Bryant:But quickly, like, I mean, whenever you go off a medication like that, you're supposed to step it down slowly. Yeah. Keeper it off. This is like, again, nature just being a total bee. ripping that stuff away from you, and all of a sudden you're just going cold turkey off of this antidepressant you got used to over nine months.

33:45Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure.

33:46Chuck Bryant:So, Chuck, one thing that we've really been focusing on is the mom, and the mom definitely suffers from post-partum depression, but so can the baby as well.

33:56Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. Um, pregnant women with, uh, PPD are far more likely to, to deliver a preterm baby or a baby with low birth weight. So there can be a literal, like, um, like a physical outcome of postpartum depression for the baby. And we talked earlier about, uh, black and Latina women experiencing PPD at higher rates. So that also is going to correlate over to birth outcomes because black Black women are 50 percent more likely to give birth preterm than white women and more than twice as likely to have a baby with a low birth weight.

34:30Chuck Bryant:Right. This, of course, makes it even more pressure laden for you to get it just right. Right. So that also can affect your ability to bond with your baby. And again, as we saw with postpartum mood and anxiety disorder, that can create a feedback cycle where you get more and more anxious about it, more and more depressed about it. And that that affects your bonding even further, which you get more and more depressed and anxious about. And that affects your baby as well.

35:00Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. Should we take a break?

35:03Chuck Bryant:Yeah, there is one other thing, I think, before we break to point out. And that is that if you have postpartum depression, it doesn't mean that you don't want to bond with your baby. Like you are incapable of bonding with your baby in the healthiest possible way. It's not you. It's your biology and your environment

35:23Josh Clark:Yeah, I thought you were about to say It's not you, it's them, it's the baby It's the baby's fault, yeah He's just not that into you Alright, I'm glad we could make a sort of a light joke I hope it came across that way And we will be back right after this With treatment options Because there's great news on the horizon

35:52Chuck Bryant:30 years ago, an island off Manhattan almost brought down New York City.

35:57Josh Clark:Who will you trust? Your friends and neighbors? Or will you trust the people five miles overseas?

36:03Chuck Bryant:This is a story about neighbors turning on each other. And what happens when a forgotten place decides it's had enough.

36:12Josh Clark:We reached for a feeling that exists in this city. But we're not stopping, are we?

36:22Chuck Bryant:I'm Ben Nadeff-Haffrey. And for my new series on revisionist history, I took a deep dive into Staten Island's attempt to secede from New York City in the 1990s. And what it all has to do with the politics of resentment that dominate America today. Listen to Revisionist History, The Staten Island Problem, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

37:01Chuck Bryant:Okay, Chuck, so you said there's great news on the horizon, and we're about to lay it on them. All the moms who are bawling and yelling and doing all the things while they're listening to this episode, treatment is quite viable.

37:16Josh Clark:That's right. Standard treatment is what you might think. It's therapy, perhaps antidepressant medication, certainly CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, we've talked about a lot.

37:29Chuck Bryant:Yeah.

37:29Josh Clark:That has been proven to be pretty effective for PPD and postpartum anxiety. And everything. Yeah, and everything in general. But in the case of CBT, you know, you're identifying these triggers that seem very automatic, these thought patterns that you think you can't help. And, you know, coach you through that and how to develop a healthier way of responding to those things when they do happen.

37:53Chuck Bryant:Right. God bless Dr. Aaron T. Beck, the creator of CBT.

37:58Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure.

37:59Chuck Bryant:There's also medication. We talked about allopregnanolone being discovered as like a main culprit for postpartum depression. That led to some drugs being expressly targeted to basically help that transition. So you don't just go cold turkey. You kind of taper off of that stuff. And then there's also long been SSRIs prescribed for it, like a standard antidepressant. And that, of course, gives moms pause like any kind of medication can give a lot of moms pause. because they're like, I'm nursing, so what's that going to do to the baby?

38:35Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. They've studied this. The current sort of wisdom on this is that they have been detected in very, very low levels, sometimes even undetectable levels in breast milk. There are rare reports of adverse effects on infants or in infants. So that's where the science currently stands.

38:57Chuck Bryant:Yes, I also saw that paroxetine and sertraline, which is soroxet and Zoloft, they seem to be the preferred antidepressants for nursing mothers because they have a shorter half-life than other SSRIs. And they pass to breast milk in smaller amounts than other SSRIs. So, if SSRIs in general are okay, these two are super okay, according to the medical establishment. Not me, because I'm not a doctor.

39:26Josh Clark:That's right. And by the way, we did, I think, two pretty good episodes on breastfeeding back in the day. That was a two-parter, right?

39:34Chuck Bryant:We did one on bottle feeding and one on breastfeeding.

39:37Josh Clark:Right. Yeah, so feeding your baby. And, you know, I recommend you do those. And we got, you know, it's always when it's two dudes podcasting about this stuff, about lady stuff, we're always a little nervous. And we always get really good feedback from women that say, like, you guys did a really good job, and it's good that you guys are out there sort of not feeling like it has to come from a woman's perspective. So I hope we're doing this all justice, you know.

40:05Chuck Bryant:God, I hope so, too.

40:07Josh Clark:I think you're doing fine.

40:08Chuck Bryant:I think you're doing great.

40:10Josh Clark:But I'm just another cis dude.

40:12Chuck Bryant:So if you want to target allopregnanolone, there is a drug called brexanolone. Yeah. Yeah. There's another one called Zeranolone. Yeah. Zeranolone. And those are the generic terms for them. The problem is, is as it stands right now, if you're paying out of pocket with zero insurance, you're going to pay$34 ,000 for one. In the United States, I'm sure it's like$10 in Canada.

40:40Josh Clark:Yeah.

40:41Chuck Bryant:Or$15 ,000 for the other.

40:44Josh Clark:Shame, shame, shame.

40:45Chuck Bryant:Yeah, hopefully if you have even passingly decent insurance in the United States, like you're not going to pay anything even remotely like that. But yes, I think you should say it again, Chuck.

40:58Josh Clark:Yeah, still, even if insurance is covering it, shame, shame, shame, shame, capital S-H-A-M-E.

41:03Chuck Bryant:Good for you, buddy. And now here's an ad for Saranolone.

41:10Josh Clark:Oh, man, you're managing to squeeze in some jokes. I like that.

41:13Chuck Bryant:I like you.

41:18Josh Clark:So can men get postpartum depression? The answer is yes, that can happen. Apparently between 8 % and 10 % of new dads suffer from some kind of anxiety or depression after the birth of a job. And it also may be connected to hormones in some cases. It's usually later than women might experience it, between three and six months later, maybe up to a year later. But a lot of the same, you know, issues, sleep issues, loss of appetite, feeling overwhelmed, tired, sad, anxious, and also the same people at risk. If you're a younger dad, if you have a history of depression, if you are struggling financially, or if you're just having trouble in your marriage or relationship, you know, you don't have to be married to have a baby.

42:01Josh Clark:We all know that. All right. All of those same kind of risk factors.

42:06Chuck Bryant:Right. And there's also additional risk factors that dads customarily have that new moms don't necessarily. And that's like the new mom is expected to be a great mom and raise a great, healthy, well-adjusted baby right out of the box. The dad is expected to really step it up and provide for his new family. And that can often mean like, well, you're stuck here in this job and you're now beholden to this employer. and like you may, that might not be the greatest feeling in the world for you right then. And at the very least, it's additional pressure. So that can also kick off postpartum depression in dads, which was, I think, best expressed in the Wham song, Everything She Wants.

42:50Josh Clark:That's right. And I hope this is clear, but to be clear, we're not obviously talking about the old days where like the man's got the job and the woman doesn't work and isn't expected to. But, you know, in two income families, a lot of times when a mom has a baby, they at the very least hopefully have a great maternity leave kind of situation. If not, sometimes they have to leave like whatever job and just not get paid for a while. So there may be more pressure on the second income earner to, you know, kind of make up for that loss or at least keep the ship afloat till mom can get back to work.

43:26Yeah.

43:27Chuck Bryant:And one of the, I guess, quirks of the United States economy, I guess, is that especially if you have a two-income house and there is not great maternal leave or paternal leave, both parents have to go to work very soon after the birth, they will have to put their kid in child care. The United States, unlike some other countries, does not have free child care. It is a paid private business industry. And some couples figure out that the cost of daycare is more than, say, the mom or the dad would actually bring home. And so in that sense, it makes sense to just for the mom or the dad to stay home, whoever has the lower income that daycare would exceed.

44:21Chuck Bryant:That's nuts that that happens to anybody. And it happens to a decent amount, at least anecdotally.

44:28Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. Daycare is really, really expensive. And it's a real shame because that helps the family. That helps for outcomes for the kid and their development. So my recommendation is to use your voice at the voting booth. And if there are candidates in your local city or state or nationwide that believe in the idea of free child care, then speak with your vote. That's all I'm going to say on that.

44:56Chuck Bryant:Okay. One other thing too, Chuck, it's not just environment. Just like with postpartum depression in women, postpartum depression in men also seems to have to do with hormones because men's hormones or the balance of hormones change during pregnancy as well, which is pretty neat.

45:15Josh Clark:Yeah, for sure. Your testosterone is going to probably drop during the pregnancy and continues to get lower after the birth happens. And people think, you know, researchers think that that's basically to keep tuk-tuk at bay and to reduce aggressive tendencies while, you know, father-infant bonding is happening. Like, chill out, dad. You need to be gentler right now. So we're going to lower your T.

45:42Chuck Bryant:Right. And also stick around and help raise the kid rather than go look for your next conquest.

45:49Josh Clark:Yeah. Man, I wonder if I should say this on the air.

45:51Chuck Bryant:We can edit it out. All right.

45:54Josh Clark:We'll see. One of the funny things that Emily has done lately is, you know, all the in the stupid manosphere world, like, you know, low T beta male soy. That's another one. Like your soy, like because you eat soy instead of meat. like a man does, she will anytime I'm like, I don't know, just being wishy-washy about something or if she feels like she just wants to kind of poke fun at me, she'll call me like a beta cuck or ask me if I have low tea or like, hey, soy, come over here and help me with this thing. Oh, my gosh. It's very, I mean, it always just brings the house down between the two of us because it's just such a dumb thing anyway.

46:36Josh Clark:I like that she's taken something from the manosphere and kind of twisted it to use it in our own marriage as a comedy.

46:41Chuck Bryant:I would love to be sitting on the couch someday and her do that to you because, yes, I would lose it to you. So funny.

46:47Josh Clark:Yeah. I'm waiting for Ruby to be like, what's a beta cuck? Right.

46:53Chuck Bryant:Let's see. Oh, yeah. Postpartum depression is also treatable in dad. So if you think you have it, seek help because it's very treatable, too.

47:01Josh Clark:That's right.

47:03Chuck Bryant:You got anything else?

47:04Josh Clark:I got nothing else, man. I always feel like we're on ice skates with these episodes.

47:08Chuck Bryant:I didn't feel like that about this one.

47:10Josh Clark:I always get a little nervous in how I speak about this stuff, so I hope we did okay.

47:13Chuck Bryant:You did great, man. You did great.

47:15Josh Clark:You did great.

47:15Chuck Bryant:Well, then it sounds like we both did great.

47:18Josh Clark:But I want moms to write in and say you did great. I don't care what I think about you and what you think about me anymore. We know we love each other.

47:25Chuck Bryant:All right. Fair enough. Okay. Yeah, if you're a new mom or an old mom or even never had kids, it doesn't matter. We would love to hear from you about this episode.

47:36Josh Clark:Yeah, and not just saying we're great. Like, if we fell short, let us know, and we'll try and do better and correct it.

47:41Chuck Bryant:Well put, man. I'm glad you said that, too. Yeah. Yeah. We sounded like a couple of... I know. Like, please make us feel better. Right. A couple of cucks. Beta cucks. Yeah. Since Chuck just laughed about beta cucks again. So funny. That means it's time for listener mail.

48:01Josh Clark:Soy is the one that really gets me.

48:03Chuck Bryant:Well, you know what's crazy is soy actually does raise your estrogen levels and can give men mini boobs.

48:09Josh Clark:Oh, well, great. Give it to me. I love it. All right, this is from Adam in Michigan. Hey, guys, I'm a little more than disappointed that in the Three Mile Island episode, you failed to mention professional wrestler Adam Baum. He was a popular wrestler in the 1980s in the WWF. He was billed as being from Three Mile Island and was an imposing 6 '6", 290. Wow. He had yellow contact lenses. And his finishing move was called the Adam Smasher. This is so great. He was a rather imposing figure with a very creepy theme song, and he made quite an impact. His real name is Brian Clark, and he's still alive and looks almost like he did in the 1980s.

48:49Josh Clark:Adam from Michigan.

48:51Chuck Bryant:Nice. I have never heard of him, so thank you for letting us know, Adam.

48:55Josh Clark:Yeah, that's fun.

48:56Chuck Bryant:You hadn't heard of him?

48:58Josh Clark:No, I mean, I didn't keep up with wrestling much.

49:00Chuck Bryant:No, I didn't either. But it sounds like we were missing out on a lot. but you know

49:05Josh Clark:we're just soy loving beta cucks so what do we know

49:09Chuck Bryant:if you want to be like Adam and let us know wait is this from Adam Bomb himself

49:13Josh Clark:no this is A-D-A-M

49:16Chuck Bryant:oh okay well there was an Adam Bomb who was a DJ at album 88 for a while he had like the soul something show

49:25Josh Clark:oh wow I bet I listened to it

49:27Chuck Bryant:it was really good well anyway thanks a lot Adam from Michigan for letting us know about Adam Bomb we love that And if you want to get in touch with us like Adam did, you can send us an email too. Send it off to stuffpodcast at iheartradio.com.

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51:03Chuck Bryant:30 years ago, an island off Manhattan almost brought down New York City.

51:08Josh Clark:Who will you trust? Your friends and neighbors? Or will you trust the people five miles overseas?

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