Millennials are cool again

0:08This episode of Stylish is made for summer, not sun damage. Let's stop normalising sun tanning and end the trend.

0:41Well, it's a big week in Melbourne this week because the AO has kicked off and I think three of us have all been or are going in some capacity. Yeah. This week and next week and whenever it finishes. I'm dressed to go now. Yeah. Mads is ready to go this evening. So she is fully decked out for the tennis tonight. Yeah. But it's a really big year because they've really expanded a lot of also the offerings of food, I noticed. Have you noticed there's so much food there this year? I am gagging. Yes. To try Shake Shack. Oh, exactly. Have you never had Shake Shack before? No, sorry. Let me rephrase that.

1:16I'm gagging to try Shake Shack in Melbourne. In Australia. Yes, I have had Shake Shack. Isn't it delicious? I'm dying for the really cool donuts from Hector's Deli. Yeah. Like, I've got such a sweet tooth in my pregnancy right now. Like, I want to eat dessert for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Really? Have you seen those really yummy little tennis-inspired cute little treats they've got? Yes. And look, for anyone who does not have the privilege of living in Melbourne, and Hector's Deli is like the place to go when you get a chicken sandwich. Yes. Or you want a little sweetie treaty now that they've expanded their sort of bakery offering.

1:48I had a friend come down from New Zealand and I was like, all right, I'm going to take you for the best chicken sandwich. Do I know that was the luxe dining experience he was probably hoping that I would give him, but that's what he got. I'm actually quite hungry now listening to this. Off we trot after this. So it's obviously big for fashion and beauty brands as well. This year Mecca have a massive like two or three, I think it's three-story activation there. It looks like Barbie's dream house. Yes, I saw a TikTok that had two guys on the top level and someone said that two Kens are stuck in Barbie's dream house.

2:18But it's huge because Mecca are also now the sunscreen partner this year, which is a massive get for them because it was very tightly held by Bondi Sands, I believe, the last few years, and then prior to that was La Roche-Posay. And that is a really big contract to get. So that would have been in the works for quite a long time, I imagine, to get their hands on that. We've got Ralph Lauren. We've got New Balance. Lacoste did like a really fun event on Friday night on the water. They took over Arbery Afloat. I saw that. It's Auburn. I popped along to the event and it's like Auburn decked out. It was really cool because it's like Lacoste branding.

2:50And then they've also set up like a little court so people could play. And Novak Djokovic was actually playing on the court. It was really cool. He's very handsome. He was in his like blues and his little Lacoste polo. I was like, oh, cute. I like preppy. I hate to remind you you're pregnant to another man. Pregnant and married. But like soon you'll see James wearing a few little prippy attire. Well, he did love his red Ralph Lauren thongs, didn't he? Yeah, oh my God. All right, well, today we are discussing the return of the 2016 aesthetic and what it means for fashion and beauty, the rise of the brick device and why everyone wants to reduce their screen time this year.

3:22And we're answering a listener's question around eating your skincare for opinions, please. But first, let's do our swap. Do I need to say who goes first at this point? I actually think you need to remind the listeners because you like to play musical chairs and I'd like to have my number one spot back. Anika, you go first. Thank you so much. Hi, guys. Hi. Okay, so now that it's actually a heat wave in Melbourne, like I'm a sweaty little girl, already sweaty with the weather and pregnancy, but something I saw on Rosalia Russian's Instagram over the weekend was she was talking about her holy grail makeup products and it made me think about perfect pairing options when it comes to your primer and your foundation.

4:00There's so much noise, right? I feel like people talk about you've got to match your silicon and your water base or you can't do those things. I didn't even know that. TikTok obviously is where I get my information from a lot of the time, which is probably also like, guys, don't do that. Anyway, on TikTok, I was listening to some creators talk about how that is all a myth. You can mix and match any type of base, whether it's silicon or water, and it's about letting it absorb and sit into your skin before applying. And have you ever seen the pilling effect sometimes when you're in a bit of a rush to your makeup and it's just like, Yeah.

4:32Not cute. So anyway, I personally love Bobbi Brown, a vitamin enriched face base. And then I mix it with the House Labs Skin Tech Foundation. Like I think that's a really beautiful finish. That Bobbi cream is really popular. Okay. If I've got Joe's approval, girls, I'm onto something. Get running. Add to cart. Do you want to double down one as well? Because I can have an MST tick of approval too. Ooh. Oh. I haven't tried House Labs yet though. I really need to go in. Guys, it's the first time all three of us have agreed on something. It's not, but sure. Okay. Well, everyone go add to cart. And then, so Rosalia said that her favourites were actually the Urban Decay All Nighter Primer and the Charlotte Tilbury Airbrush Flawless Foundation, which we all love and adore.

5:14Have you guys tried that combo? I haven't tried that combo. I've only used the foundation. Okay. I haven't used that primer. Yeah, I haven't used that primer. I do swear by the Urban Decay setting spray. Yes. I haven't used the new one since the post-controversy of them manufacturing with a new partner now. But the OG one, I still have a couple of. Like I will die on that hill that that is the best spray on the market. Well, I feel like she always looks flawless and she's always like event ready. So this is a combo I wanted to try. But I thought, why don't we give the listeners a double swap and a triple swap and you guys can tell us your favorite combos too.

5:45I don't need to put us on the spot. Well, I am going to surprise you here, but I very rarely use a primer. What? She's just not real. Like who is she? But I use like a moisturizer instead. What moisturizer? Because it's essentially the same thing that Bobbi Face Base is a moisturizer, essentially. So as long as you're prepping your skin effectively, you can get good longevity out of your makeup. And if your skin's not dehydrated and it's well exfoliated, your makeup should last well. So I just wear a moisturizer underneath. At the moment, I use either the Skin Better Science Trio Balancing Moisturizer, I think it's called, or the Alpha H Firming Collagen Cream or something like that.

6:20It's a long name. Okay. Thank you for that hot tip. I'm the same. I rarely use a primer. I prep same with the Alpha H. God, Jo and I are so aligned today. Firming Collagen Repair Cream. or I use the Charlotte Tilbury Magic Cream. Oh, I love that. As my makeup base. That's a nice option. It's not as great. I don't find it as great for my skin, but my makeup looks good. And then foundation, I dance with the devil. Okay, I have two. Actually, I've got three. God, what? She's a girl about town. She's giving today. She's a very generous mode. Charlotte Tilbury Tinted Moisturiser. Hands down my favourite.

6:53It goes on like a foundation. Beautiful skin. I don't know. Go with it. The second one, NARS Light Reflecting Foundation. Nice. I will always go back to that. That is the best foundation on the market, hands down. I'll die on that hill. Third is the Laura Mercier something luminous. La, la, la. They all love a luminous radiance. La. That foundation's really good. The reason that I'm wearing Laura at the moment is because I have it in a slightly warmer colour. And I think I've just got a bit of incidental colour from the dog walk. So, like, I can't use my usual face colour. So I'm using Isla Paradise standing drops and then putting my foundation on from Laura.

7:26I don't think I've said what foundation Oh no you didn't You're just naturally blessed I'm perfect I only wear I also have a few options The Bare Minerals Complexion Rescue I use most frequently Because it's very light coverage I don't like full coverage foundation Are you wearing it today? No I'm wearing the Charlotte Tilbury Beautiful Skin Stick It's like really luminous So if you don't want to look super glowy Do not get that I'm combo and I would not suggest someone With a combo or oily skin type like that I'm like normal to dry, so I can get away with it. Okay. And you will need powder, but it's very, very luminous.

8:02And then what else do I have on rotation? I have a Bobbi Brown one, a weightless skin foundation from them, and I also have a MAC one as well. I don't even know what the name of that one is, but I've got a few on rotation. Okay, nice. Well, there you guys go. I really boycotted that. I love that. I mean, do we even do ours now? That's felt like so many. No, you have to. We have to know. I want to know what you guys have to say. All right, Mads, you go. Okay, so I have just been like battling a few little grumpy, breakouts lately. Just like one or two. I'm a pimple picker. It's bad. I know. I see the judgment, Jo.

8:31I know. No, no. There's no judgment here. This is what I need. Big smack. I can't get the sound effect I want for the smack. But I use two types of pimple patches. I did allude to this on our Friday with Reece. I'm so sorry if you listen to both. But if I have a little to a medium naughty pimple, I use star face pimple patches, just the original little yellow. I think they do I mean, a disco party set now where you can get different colours too. If I have a medium to very naughty pimple, which means like we're beneath the skin, we're angry, we're grumpy, we need to get her out, I use the Mecca Max spot dot micro tip.

9:07Very important you get the ones with the tip. The micro tip. Yep. Noted. Yep. So that's for the medium to naughty grumpy ones. Very medium, very naughty. Okay. My other swap is if you like me, just don't want to have a hot coffee during summer. I'm really loving an Iceland black with a dash of honey. Random, but just a good tip. Appreciate that. Dash of honey. Thank you so much for that bonus swap. Jo, what have you got for us? Mine is actually a creator that I stumbled across a couple of weeks ago. Is it me? No, it's not you. Came across you a couple of years ago. So it's a creator called Baz and he's a very chic guy working in tech who posts his daily work outfits.

9:52And I came across one of his TikToks where he posted like a carousel of photos of the outfits that he'd worn to work. And he's so cool. Like I'm talking, we've got Gani, we've got Jill Sander, we've got Acne Studios. Like he's decked out in labels and he'll match his turban with his outfit as well. Oh my gosh, I love him. He's just so cool. He has Instagram as well. We'll put his handle or a link or something in the episode notes. Kate can manage that for us. Oh my God, cute. I love a live Google at the moment. Yes. Oh my God, I'm obsessed. How good are the fits? He just has to be like the best dressed guy on his team.

10:27I just know that he's rolling into work and everyone's like, I wonder what he's going to be wearing today. I want to bring back people doing fit checks in real life. Yeah, fun. When I worked at Mecca, because like it kind of was like an everyday fit check in the office when people were like, shirt, got this shirt from here. I love this skirt. Where's the skirt from? I hope he's doing them in his office. He is so chic. Yeah, so Baz, you're going to get a follow from Mads and Artica, I think. I just followed. Do you know what it makes me think of? Kat from Finance. Like, I just love her. Yeah. And I love her poses.

10:53I love how she just took daily photos and has now become, like, such a huge person in fashion. Like, her poses. She reminds me of, like, the Zara models. You know, when you, like, got all the twists and the turns and the body's, like, dismantling into a different shape. And the jeans are, like, over the neck. Yeah. And it's, like, a photo of an earring, but, like, their foot's at the face. I don't know. Yeah. It's a lot going on. It's a lot. All right, well, next we're diving into why 2016 is back and what that means for fashion and beauty. But that will be right after a word from today's sponsor.

11:22January in Australia is something else. We've reached peak summer, meaning our temperatures are out of control and so is the UV. There's no amount of ice packs that can save us from our sun. Yes, most Aussies know our sun is brutal, but it might surprise you to learn just how brutal it can be. In fact, two in three Aussies will be diagnosed with skin cancer in their lifetime. And just 15 minutes in the sun can start to damage your skin. Although this is alarming, we can seriously reduce this risk with the correct sun protection. Your daily SPF is a great start, but sunscreen should be your last line of defence against UV.

11:52Whenever you're heading outside, and especially if you plan on spending time at the beach, remember, slip on a long-sleeve shirt, slop on sunscreen, slap on a wide-room hat, seek shade, and slide on a pair of sunglasses. Slip, slop, slap, seek, and slide is your new summer self-care mantra. And with UV exposure accounting for 80 % of visible premature ageing, future you will thank you. Together, let's end the trend of skin cancer. Thank you so much to the Cancer Council and the Australian Government for making this episode of Starlish possible. Okay, so the headline is 2016 is back, baby, and boy is it ever.

12:25If you've been on socials over the last week, you've probably been overwhelmed with people's throwback images from 2016. Have you guys seen all of this all over your face? Yeah, every second post is 2016. It's kind of tempted me to post something myself, but then I went back and looked at 2016 photos, And I went, absolutely not. We're doing that. I saw a meme that was like, 2016 is between me and God. Fair. I mean, it's been 10 years since 2016 and people are obviously feeling very reflective. In a piece for British Vogue, writer Olivia Allen explained why she thinks people are so drawn to 2016 right now, saying, everything felt a bit more optimistic in 2016.

13:06The influencer epidemic was in its infancy and Instagram was a place for live posting and turning up the Rio de Janeiro filter. The quote continues, it's no secret that we're all in need of a little digital detox right now. So it makes sense that the pixelated iPhone 5C approach to social media seems more appealing than being chained to the latest AI powered device 24 seven. That made me laugh. I honestly like was all about a filter. If anything, like the heaviest filters, like Valencia, anything. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was illegal. Contrast high. High, the higher the better. It makes me laugh all the commentary about AI because I'm like, what did we think the Snapchat filters were?

13:44Like, I'm like, yeah, yeah, back to that good old day when we all put the puppy filter. The puppy filter. Like, why? It's all of my photos in 2016. That's why I have nothing to share. I have the worst photos. Like, as my grandma was in hospital dying, we took a selfie with the dog filter and I'm like, I just don't know. You did not. Do you know what? I don't know how I feel about this. No, she loved it. She was like, get up the dog. Get up the dog. Get up the dog. Not the sounds, the MFT. She was on like a lot of morphine. Anyway, nostalgic throwback images aside, this trend also speaks to a broader moment happening in fashion and beauty, where it's starting to feel like 2016 really is back.

14:22Instagram fashion analytics account Data But Make It Fashion recently compiled a selection of 2016 trends that are surging in popularity right now. Can you guys guess any? Gucci belt. I want to say the cut crease. Well, searches for contour kits have increased 385 % this month. And searches for ripped jeans, a style that was incredibly popular in 2016, has also increased by 60%. I got rid of all my ripped jeans. Are you going to bring them back? I've got one pair. I donated them all. Guys, I used to DIY them. I was like over my jeans and I'll just like shred them apart. I don't think I could do that to my Valentinas.

15:01Anyway, brand strategy consultant Eugene Healy also posted a video last week declaring that millennials are officially cool again. Guys, I never thought we left the building. In the video, he says,

15:23Okay, guys, we need to give a little baby shout out clap because Arnequin never usually leads in the stories. Not because we don't want her to, because she doesn't want to, but shout out to Annika. That was very well done. Guys, I literally am a news presenter. You really are. I don't know if you know this, but, like, yeah. Spending too much with me doing my newsreader voice. Exactly. I'm going to be on the With The Channel very soon. We sat down and she goes, I'm coming for your bitch's spot. I was like, it's all yours. I'm taking over. Guys, I'm so glad 2016's back. And for me, look, we can talk beauty, we can talk fashion, but this is also a lifestyle podcast, so I'm allowed to say, I think it's no coincidence that Fetty Wap is out of prison.

15:57and back. I did not know Fetty Watt was in prison. Oh, my God, he used to be. And look, just like Trap Queen playing really throws me right back to that 10-year-old hallmark. I'll do you all a favour of not seeing it on the podcast. Absolute tune, though. Yeah, honestly. It's just like what a time 2016 was. Now, some of our listeners might have been still in school then. Were you about to say still in their piece? No, probably not. Probably not. Look, we've got some young ones. I'm like is my niece listening she's 11 how dare I do that just justice she was she was one rapping a fetty uh but I just think 2016 it's like so funny to me we thought we were so curated but we actually weren't at all we were like so unapologetically sharing but we thought we were so aesthetic yeah I think as well like it was definitely a time to be alive like I don't know about you guys but there was like every time you had a photo up I'd be like if in doubt wink peace and pout.

16:57Do you remember? Oh, it was the era of like an Urban Decay palette, a Stila palette. In LA it was, before there was Air One, there was a pink wall with angel wings and I just don't think anything really had the influencer or wannabe influencer community by the bulls the way that that wall did. Okay, I went to LA in 2016 and you better believe it I found that pink wall. I actually need to find the pictures of me outside that pink wall because I made James stand, like literally stand there with my shitty little iPhone at the time. and pose my little wink piece pat like face off. Like I remember going to New York in 2016 and like this just feels so New York coded.

17:34It was like I was in LA, I went to Shake Shack, I was at the clubs, I went to One Oak. Oh, she did. I just tick, tick, tick, tick. I did every millennial core thing. I was there in a cut crease with a gold shimmer shadow with still a kitten on the inner corners of the eye. Like just what a time. If you weren't a millennial in 2016, you would just never understand the vibes of 2016. All of my photos are using that face swap filter as well. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, all of my, I was trying to find something so that we could use it on our socials. And all of them are me and my sister-in-law in my parents' house, face swapping with the ornaments that my mum has, like the knickknacks that she has around her house.

18:12I'm deceased. It was also just the era of Instagram. Like we didn't have TikTok at this time. We'd all kind of come off MySpace into this place that, you know, you just shared photos and you know how your grid looked and you put your white border on I don't know if anyone else dabbled in that one I certainly did to make the grid look pretty loved a high contrast the higher the contrast the better the picture no hashtag limit was too many hashtags I'm gonna do you know what hashtag 2016 hashtag bring it back hashtag let's go it was actually so iconic like there were no cause there were no aesthetics if anything it was like anything goes like I actually look back at my personal style during this time did not have one the one thing that is like my common theme I was such a slave to fashion like you better believe it every paycheck went straight back into my wardrobe yeah going through the archive you guys are going to die at the sass on this woman like who is she don't know I kind of love her but every outfit was so curated I remember getting snapped at um Sydney Fashion Week and literally thinking I made it because I featured on Net-A-Porter and I was like that's it guys don't need a job anymore you kind of did make it yeah you're like that is major yeah there you go yeah I was like look at this girl You're like wearing sunnies into the office.

19:22Okay, so the social team are just going to do one post just fully dedicated to your outfits because I only have face swap photos and the dog filter. I actually thought you guys might be a little scared of this girl. Like the 2016 man, like who is she? I've seen some 2016 photos that maybe aren't going to be shared on the socials. And let me tell you, I am scared of her. Me too. Do you know what? I was trying to think like who I like wore a lot, how I dress. And I was going back through some photos. And really sadly, I actually on that said trip to New York, my phone broke. And I went to Apple and got like lectured about why like you should use Apple Cloud or whatever it's called.

19:56Well, I learned the hard way, didn't I? Went and like cried my eyes out in Central Park with my new phone. Yeah. And my grandma passed away that year. So that was really sad too. So thank God for Snapchat. That's why some of the photos I have in the bus with the dog filter. But I then went to the Met with my new phone and was like, fuck it. We've got to go. Like, let's build that bank back up. Can I tell you a hilarious story about the Met and me in 2016? Go for it. So one day it was like on our itinerary that was very planned and James just sprung it on me that we were going to go to the Met on this day that was outside of the schedule.

20:26Yeah. I've never been more devastated because the outfit that I planned that day to take my picture at the Met was so bad. And I was in my gossip girl era. Like I'd rewatched it by this point. I was like I thought I was kind of Serena and Blair. I was like figuring out who I was between the two. The answer is always Blair. Yeah. Well, actually Serena, party girl, because she's fun. I don't think Blair was having a bad time No she's a cutie But anyway that was my one moment of the mat Yeah I was thinking about some Aussie designers at the time that felt like a hallmark though And like Manning Cartel, Josh Goode Yes Dion Lee Dion Lee Not Dion Lee that we kind of knew of the corset era I'm talking like the 3D backboning I'm talking Manning Cartel's lace era And those two sets Like the double sets that they did The skirts and the tops The lace Also, like I was thinking about the makeup looks at the time.

21:16And thanks to Kylie Jenner, I really fell for a bold lip. So like a red lip, a burgundy lip, as I mentioned, a little cut crease and a smoky eye. I never really hurt anyone either. Yeah, cute. But I was thinking complexion-wise I was pretty similar. I never left contouring. So thanks to But Make It Fashion for saying it's up 300%. But like that never stopped for me. Yeah. But that's because I got a big round face. I definitely had a blockier brow in 2016. Oh, did you? Not a full block brow, but I definitely filled my eyebrow. I don't even put anything through my eyebrows these days. How fuck are we talking?

21:46There's definitely more definition. Okay. I want to see this. Yeah, I'll show you later. Did you love a banana bake under the eye too? No. No, okay. I've never done full coverage, to be honest. Yeah, but I did love a wing. She's perfect since she came out the womb. What else? Would also do a red lip and would also do a burgundy lip in 2016. I wouldn't have done that. You know what? I did the same. I loved Lady Danger by MAC. That was like my colour. and then the burgundy and I would never leave the house without a winged eye. Yeah, same. Also the one thing that we haven't spoken about is hair and I tell you what a GHD thick barrel tong hated to see me coming because I just loved and it just feels so Delta Goodrum of me but I loved those big exaggerated curls.

22:32Like it wasn't a blow wave. It was like I want to look like I've really, that curl hasn't really gotten brushed out just yet. Yeah. Real hallmark of the time. I could always try to do them, but then I could only either do one side and not the other. I'm just so unco like that, which is why my hair's always so straight. So annoying. Agree, though. The bouncy blowout had not quite hit our shores yet. It was either the GHD straightener curl. Yep. We just kind of wrap it around or it was the wand. I was always the wand. I used my wand, to be honest. Yeah, I know. Quite a few of my girlfriends do. I noticed that when we were all getting ready for a wedding recently, and I was like, what in the 2016 heli?

23:07My hair doesn't hold a blow wave. That is devastating to you. Yeah, unfortunately. It's just reality, so not perfect after all. Yeah. A deeply, deeply flawed woman, clearly. Can't hold a blow wave. Let me tell you, Jo, I'd trade a couple of things, I'd give up the blow wave. That's for sure. Sorry, can we just go back to the millennials are cool again thing? Because I have not heard this yet, and this makes me very excited. Why do we think we're suddenly being redefined as cool now? What's happened? So I have a theory on this. My theory is that Gen Z think that like that era we didn't care. Like we were just carefree and spirited.

23:43Like the irony is we did care because we've just spoken about what filters we used and how we used to border it up. But maybe there was like something in that though that like we very overtly cared. Whereas I feel at the moment there's this thing of like, oh, no, I don't care. Like, you know, I'm just dumping all these photos. And it's like, no, but you're still caring about the aesthetic to have to go to those lengths. but maybe those cycles are becoming shorter like the way that we thought like the you know 80s and noughties were so cool for such a period so true it's like this is just their version of us going back to like loving rachel green yeah when we're talking like preppy clean girl aesthetic yeah i think those cycles have just become shorter so they think 2016 is like vintage we are part of that era and so we are now cool do we think that kylie jenner has anything to do with this given that she just did the King Kylie campaign.