The fast fashion murder case that’s gripping the world

0:08This episode of Stylish is brought to you by Bioderma's new HydroBio HydroActive range. If you don't stop, why should your hydration? Find the Bioderma Hydrabio range at leading pharmacies and beauty retailers. This is Stylish, the podcast for all things fashion, lifestyle, brand and beauty. We've got a new little dynamic trio in the room today. This is our first time as a trio. Yeah, I was going to say, we've never done the three of us, have we? No, we haven't. We've got Naima, Jo and Mads in the room. New trio unlocked. How's our week going? Oh, don't ask. It's not feeling like as exciting as when I intro'd off campus last week, Jo, but pray do tell, how has your week been?

0:51Oh, it's just been the week from hell moving house, honestly. I'm surprised my eyes are still open and I lost my makeup bag. Like I couldn't find it today. I was searching in the outside area where we've got all our boxes, looking for it for ages. I was like, I'm going to have to go makeup free. I mean, your skin's good enough. You could have definitely got away from it. I didn't really, like with the bags under my eyes at the moment, I didn't really want to go makeup free, but I ended up finding it and somehow I found a spare top and pants. So that's good. We're here. And you look great. It all worked.

1:19Thank you. I couldn't tell you just moved. Oh, great. Okay, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's truly one of the worst. It's just so stressful and it's not fun. And once you get there, it's like now I have to unpack? Yes. What do you mean? Yeah, and now it's going to take me like a month to feel like this is my home. Yeah. I'm also moving. So Jo and I were bonding over it over the weekend. I just moved. Oh, great. There we go. There's something in the air. Our senior podcast producer, Kate, is also moving in two weeks. Is there like a planet that's misaligned or like, I don't know, I'm clearly not really that into astrology.

1:49Gemini's in Uranus. Oh, hello. Get out. Out you get. There she is.

1:59Okay, no toilet humour. Thank you, Madison. Have you guys seen a new status symbol has dropped? It's not Gemini in my eyes. I tried for a segue there and you brought it back. So I don't know what you want from me here. Tell me, what is the new status symbol? So apparently bare short nails are the new status symbol. And you know my thoughts on it? I'm sick of status symbols. I'm sick of it. Ballad. So when you say short bare nail, do you mean like a bubble bath and a funny bunny or you mean like a... Naked. Oh, nude. Raw. Sorry. Whoa, whoa. Whoa. I'm going to rein myself in. Go on. So there was a TikTok from Valeria Lipovetsky about two years ago, but for some reason everyone's pulling it into their analysis at the moment that basically she's like, you don't need to go get your nails done anymore because it's taking up too much of your week.

3:05So that's the thing. It's like if you're efficient with your time, you don't need to go get your nails done. And then I think recently we've also seen it on like the Marc Jacobs runway. And then a few like owners of businesses have come out and been like, I don't have two hours every few weeks to go get my nails done. So everyone's saying it's the new status symbol. You know what? I actually do hate getting my nails done. Like I like how they look afterwards. Yeah. But I hate going. But I do think if you want to do it, let the people do it. A hundred percent. Yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone loves sitting there.

3:39Although I must admit a lot of my friends who are mums love it because it's like an hour uninterrupted where, like, usually they're like to their partner, you're actually going to take the kids and I'm going to have an hour of peace. I mean, it is interesting about the status symbol thing because it's like, well, it used to be that if you had your nails done, you had it all together and you, like, you know, you were polished and you were primed and you cared about your appearance. And, you know, then it was like if you had claws, you mustn't be doing, like, you know, a corporate job because how could you tippy tap?

4:03Well, I've seen that debunked by more than enough girlfriends. But then it's like now if you don't get them, you're busier and more important than the person. I genuinely just can't keep up. I actually saw a really great TikTok. Actually, maybe it was a reel from a creator that I follow who's based in New York. Her name is Christina Rodolfo. And she made some really good points on this exact topic. And I'm going to play that for you now. Every time I see this discourse come up, and I've seen it come up on Substack, on TikTok, on Reels, what I've noticed is a glaring lack of intersectionality. It's harmful to conflate naked nails with better taste or class, which are often just euphemisms for white supremacist beauty standards.

4:40There's nothing inherently wrong with liking nude nails. I like nude nails. But what I have a problem with is respectability politics and perpetuating beauty rules that shut down marginalized communities. We can't talk about nails without talking about how central it is to self-expression in black and Latino communities and across Asia and Japan and Korea and Vietnam. Nail art is not just about pretty colours. It's about how these communities of colour show up in a society that constantly devalues them. Pushing an aesthetic that strips you of expression to be a blank slate of a human being is a dangerous gateway into flattening culture.

5:18I think Christina's video is a great example of it's not just something that we can slap a sticker on and say this is a status symbol. There's a lot more layers to it. There's a lot more depth to it. There's a lot more context to consider. I also think it's just a way for us to have an excuse not to spend the money that we currently don't have. Like getting your nails done in this day and age as well is so expensive. I think the last time I had mine done I paid like$160. Oh, when I got a mani-pedi I nearly gawked the other day. I'm like, thank God my toenails grow at a much slower rate than my fingernails.

5:48Yeah, but I also think it's like if I have saved up my money, let the girlies go and get the fun nail up. Like I've saved up my money. I want to go and perform some self-care. Let me get the crazy patterns. 1 ,000%. Also, I've never heard someone go, I can't believe you spent that to go and play golf today. Yeah. I found out how much golf balls were. I think they're like 60 bucks each. Someone fact check that. But do you know what? A roundabout. I stand by it. Okay. So I'll intro the swap because, Jo, I feel like you've been going first. And I'd really like that to keep going. Oh, really? And I'm actually so excited to do this because I think that you are going to be tickled pink with what my swap is today.

6:29Oh, I can't. Can you go first then? Okay. You go first. Because I'm so excited. Okay. It's actually a cleaning one. Whoa. Get out. Talk about Reformed. So as mentioned, I'm moving at the moment. Yeah. I don't have internet in my new place yet. Little bit type B of me. Anyway, I live in the same building as my best friend. I know. Whoa. I said to someone once, it's honestly like a TV show. And she was like, yeah. That's what I thought adult friendships were. We all lived in the same building. Friends the TV show. Yeah. This is not a new place. I was like, damn it, I hate to feel I'm going to want to take this one.

7:01Christina's definitely Monica. Yeah. She is my Monica. Anyway, Christina very kindly let me work from her office today so I could use the internet. And then she had this really beautiful package arrive and naturally I'm like, oh, unboxing time, what's in there? It was from a brand called Skipper. Now it's Skipper Clean. This is like the chicest branding I've seen from cleaning products. And also like there's just a lot going on in my life and maybe I'll share it when I feel ready in a couple of months. but I'm becoming very conscious of kind of just like what I'm using on and around my body at the moment as I'm going through this stuff.

7:33And she was like, there are these amazing like clean dishwashing tablets. They're made in Australia. There's, I'd never seen them before. Washing sheets, washing machine sheets. These smell so good. Their Instagram is, you would honestly think it was for like a skincare or body care brand. It's unreal. Yeah. I got absolutely sucked in. I bought the, I shouldn't even say sucked in. There is nothing sucker about it. I'm thrilled. I can't wait for it to arrive. I bought the sheets, which she's given me some to sample. I bought the tablets, which I've eaten off her dishes. So I figure work great because they're always sparkling clean.

8:09And I also bought the cleaning surface. I'm looking at their Instagram right now. I've never heard of them. Why has this never been advertised to me? I don't know. Heaps of people I follow, like my friends follow them. There's probably two things to say that. But one, their paid marketing team probably needs to work on that because you are the target. Oh, yeah, you are the target. You are number one. But do you know what? Like they're having a lot of fun and I really love categories that shake up those sorts of things. So Touchland is one of my favourite brands because I talk about it a lot. They made hand sanitiser really fun and cool.

8:43This is like I was literally, Christina was like, you're getting crazy. I was like opening it, wanting to see the thank you note that came with it, showing me the email they sent you. Like I wanted to see the full 360 of this brand. Anyway, that's my cleaning hack. Love it. I never thought I'd say the day. I'm actually wrapped. I think the last time you brought a cleaning hack was your Dyson vacuum, was it? Dyson mop. Yeah. I love that. See, I have a shocking memory and even I can remember that because it was such a momentous moment. I'm glad. I'm glad. Is yours also a cleaning hack? It is. I didn't know you were doing one, so I brought one.

9:14Oh my God, double cleaning hack. Is yours also a cleaning hack? Yours. Thank God, because this is not a cleaning podcast. Yes, the podcast about style, brand and cleaning. Yeah, well, the people like it. Mine is the Bissell Revolution Hydro Steam. Now, I'm going to explain the situation. So this is actually my mother-in-law's and we got the keys to a new rental on Thursday, walked in. I hadn't been through this rental, so I trusted a man with something and I shouldn't have. No. He went through the house and he came home and he said, yeah, it's good. And I went, okay, let's apply for it. because it's got everything we need.

9:52I didn't think about the fact that he wouldn't look at the finer details, which I should have known at the time. I walk in there on Thursday and I'm like, this place stinks. This is foul, had not been cleaned. The carpets hadn't been done. Like I could just see dog hair everywhere. Like that's obviously what was creating the smell. And so we urgently called my mother-in-law and we're like, are you available? And can you bring your bissel over. And so she brings her Bissell, Hydro, Steam, whatever it's called into the house. And we steam cleaned all of the carpets. Like even that has probably only made them like 25 % less smelly.

10:27So I think I need to do a few more passes, but I'm so glad that we had it because it did make a big difference the day that we moved in. I was like, okay, it's not as bad as it was, but I need to give it another few goes, but it is a seriously like complex machine. I love this. I don't have carpet, but that sounds great for someone who does this. I wish I didn't. Unfortunately, I do. Naima, what is your non-cleaning hat? Yeah, I'm really sorry, guys. I wish we coordinated and if we had the triple one, it would have been crazy. I think people would have right. Everyone would have tuned out. I don't know.

11:02Like Kate would have been like, enough. You just want one. All right. So I've got a TikTok that I'm loving at the moment. It's called Four and the Five and it's filling a gap in my life that I've had for a while, which is like of the sitcom friendship group. I'm a big fan of like New Girl, Sex and the City, like Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Parks and Rec. Like I love a 30 minute sitcom show. And this is a group of four girls. They live in New York. Their names, I wrote them down, Ivana, Drew, Gabby and Madison. And they're four girls who live in the five boroughs of New York City and they have a TikTok together.

11:37So it's like a friendship TikTok, which is so cute. What a great idea. I know. And it's really giving sex in the city. So every TikTok is about like their different days. I think their first one initially also had like the sex in the city music in the background. They all have like really cool job. One works like strategy for Chanel. One's like in finance. Like they're all amazing women with amazing taste. Really good sense of style too. And I think this is like also a prediction. It's probably one that's been around as well. It's like friendship group TikToks, the next big thing. We saw it with like Fat Sundays.

12:11I'm seeing it with this. I feel like Jake Shane's group's very that. And it's feeling that like. Caitlin and Talia. Yes, exactly. Who are living in New York. But obviously. Caitlin actually did a TikTok on this, which I really loved breaking this down. And I have seen these girls, but I've seen them on Instagram. I got served them through Reels. Really showing my age there. But we're the same age. So maybe I'm ending up on the wrong side of that algorithm. but she was saying she thinks this is going to be like the next big thing that brands tap into but that it has to be friendships that pre-existed.

12:42I agree. Like finding each other in the social world which I'm kind of like for it anyway. I'm like however you met I don't really care I just love seeing friendships. I love it because it takes pressure away from one person like it's not this like you always have to put yourself in the front and it's like it's always relying on one person. I think they started on like the 10th of May classic meme bringing all the stats but the 10th of May and they have 110 ,000 followers on TikTok and 60 ,000 on Instagram. And everyone's like obsessed with it. They're like more content, more content. This feels quite adjacent to what a lot of brands are doing right now with kind of like those mini series.

13:16Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels like the personal version of that. Yeah. And it feels less like mocked up because it's just their lives. Yeah. Yeah. How fun. I'm going to go follow them. Yeah. They're very cool. Obsessed. Anyway, what are we talking about today? Oh, okay. Yeah, I can tell you what we're talking about today. So we're going to talk about the Anne Hathaway. We're calling it the facelift hair hack. And I say that kind of in inverted commas because we're going to get into why it's all over our feeds and what our audience's kind of thoughts, feelings and emotions are about it all. And Jo, honestly, I don't think this episode could be more you if it tried, given that you've just opened with a swap of cleaning.

13:55I've also given you a cleaning hack. Maybe Nyman will end with you just giving us a cleaning swap for the sake of the one. Sure, I'll try. But there are some very mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of the founder of the fashion high straight label Mango. We are going to get into it right after a word from today's sponsor. Many of us are guilty of using the same skincare all year round without a second thought. And then we wonder why our skin feels so dry in winter. The thing is, our skin becomes super demanding in the cooler months. Our usual routine just doesn't cut it anymore. We need something more.

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15:05So it's important to choose skincare that offers life-proof hydration. Simply cleanse daily with the Juicy Jelly Cleanser or hydrating micellar water. Add a hydrating boost with the serum, then lock it all in with the light water cream or radiance fluid. For life-proof hydration, Bioderma's new HydroBio HydroActive range is available now at leading pharmacies and beauty retailers. Thank you so much to Bioderma for making this episode of Stylish possible. Okay, so as I mentioned at the top, we are going to be referencing this as Anne Hathaway's facelift hair hack. And I'm using inverted commas because I feel like we have lots of thoughts and feelings around this.

15:47And if you haven't seen these videos, basically there was a lot of speculation online surrounding Anne Hathaway's look. Lots of people referencing it as a refreshed, awake, alive kind of look that she suddenly looked a little more youthful than we'd seen her for previous years. Anne responded to the speculation with a video. It was a get ready with me video behind the scenes of the Oscars. And she said, what we do is two little braids. She had her hairstylist demonstrating two tiny little braids kind of towards the crown of each side of her face. And then they were kind of showcasing the lifting of that to give her the effect of a facelift.

16:22Now, look, it's kind of resurfaced in the last couple of weeks. That was back in March. But a lot of people were sort of going, is it? Isn't it? I think that video got to 1.3 million likes. So definitely had eyeballs on it. But a lot of people were asking whether the video, you know, was pointed denial or whether it was Anne, you know, shining a light on how she achieves the look. Had you guys seen this? And have you seen people replicating it? Because that's what's on my feed right now. I feel like that's why we wanted to get to it was that I'm seeing a lot of people with tiny braids, not visible ones.

16:58They're kind of like showing the hack. Yeah, it's all over my TikTok. I've seen a few different tutorials. I actually did it this morning. I don't have it in right now because I got overstimulated straight away. Like within seconds, I was like, oh, I don't like this. But yes, I followed the tutorial this morning. It took 10 minutes, so that's a bit too long for my liking because I leave approximately 20 minutes to get ready before I'm going to miss the train. So that was my first instinct was that I did not like how long it took me. It was a bit too fidgety. And you have to use those tiny, tiny hair ties.

17:36No. Which are? The little clear plastic ones. Yes. My enemy. Like if I had one, it's that. They hurt so much to take out. So much. I will probably preface this by saying that it's not necessarily like an area that I feel super insecure about. So I don't know if it's like a huge concern of mine. We've also got probably a decade age difference between me and Anne. So I don't know if it's working the same, but I didn't see a huge difference. Yeah, it was funny because she did an interview with Elle and they were saying, you know, was the video a point to denial of the rumours that she'd had a facelift.

18:13And she responded, and I'm going to read the quote, so bear with me. She said, I wouldn't say pointed, but we're at a time when people feel very confident in assuming what they think is fact. And sometimes what they think is accurate and sometimes it's not. Also, by the way, these are huge medical decisions that people are presuming, she said. I wanted to show that like, no, I didn't make a huge medical decision. It's just two braids. There's a lot of commentary that's come out of that. There's experts that have come out saying that if you were to do this every day, if it was a content of yours, that it can cause hair damage and loss.

18:46The amount of hair I lost from the tiny hair ties alone today. Sorry, it's true. It's like, I can't even imagine how much hair loss I would get. But it is also the pulling. I mean, I know it even from the slick brick we've spoken about that you can get balding in the spot where the bun sits. It can cause a lot of tension and snappage of the hair. Look, we kind of went to our audience because we had thoughts and feelings about it, but we wanted to hear what you all thought. And, you know, there was some really interesting ones. Lots of people saying it's damned if you do, it's damned if you don't situation about disclosing cosmetic surgeries for celebrities.

19:19I think you just need to take everything a celebrity says with a grain of salt and realise they're people too with insecurities and a very heavy scrutiny on their appearance. As a black woman, when I get a weave or braids, the same snatched look happens. It's giving Kylie Jenner's It's Just Lip Liner. May not be a face lift, but it is something else. Personally, I don't want to sit here and be the woman that speculates whether she has or hasn't had a facelift. I think it is safe to say that Anne Hathaway, being one of the most recognisable celebrities in the world, has access and means to all sorts of cosmetic procedures, skin specialists, doctors, surgeons, you name it.

20:00So where she is on the scale of doing something, not doing something, I'm actually not personally concerned with us speculating here. I don't think that helps. Yeah. Where I suspect the dissection and frustration comes from in some of these things from our audience is we're in this era where we want people to be the most transparent they've ever been. And sometimes that lands really well. So I'll take Kylie Jenner's as an example, when someone uploaded a TikTok being like, I just want to know what she's had done to her boobs. And she replied with 445cc, moderate profile, half under the muscle, Silicon, Garth Fisher, hope this helps, lol.

20:39And I think the internet lost its mind for about 72 hours. I'm just glad she didn't say it was Kylie Lipglitz.

20:51That's a real miss of the tongue. I'm really glad she didn't say that to me.

21:00I'm really glad she didn't just say Kylie Lipglitz. Again! You're really glad that she didn't say something like a Kybra. That's what you want to go with. No, I meant like Kylie Lip Kit because that's what she was saying the first time around. I know. I was trying to help segue you into it not being a commercial thing for her. But I'm also glad it wasn't that one. We also saw the same transparency from Kris Jenner when everyone started talking about her facelift. And then she was like, well, yeah, I went to this guy to have my facelift done. And she was really transparent about it. But it also does open you up to a lot of judgment as well because sometimes the transparency doesn't translate the way that you want it to.

21:39So I think she's very much entitled to protect her own privacy. And same as you said, Mads, I'm just not interested in kind of speculating what she has and hasn't had done because I also see a lot of, you know, plastic surgeons and people in the US do these green screen videos over the top of celebrities and they're like, they had this and this and this. And you actually don't know what they've had done. And there are a lot of intrinsic aging factors like our bone loss, volume loss, the way that our fat pads shift in our face as well, that can really change over the time from when you're 20 to when you're 30.

22:10And that can really transform the appearance of your face without you having any work done. Totally. I've even seen the trend of Accutane nose. Have you seen that? Yes. Apparently when you go on higher doses of Roaccutane, it can change the appearance of your nose because it's shrinking pore size and by nature, your nose can appear to be slimmer. Now that is grounded in zero fat. That is alleged. And I will underline that seven times over. I can't help but feel like for me I would say in my personal lived experience as someone who you know I'm 31 I'm starting to think about aging not in a way that it stresses me I'm just noticing my life is showing a little more on my face yeah I go between going I really applaud that level of transparency because I think it enables younger people or older people to realize what it takes to get that appearance that it's not just good genes and you know a expensive moisturizer but then I do look at like my 11 year old niece and I worry about what that narrative says to her when we're also like clap, clap, clap.