The only skincare products you need this winter

0:08This episode of Stylish is brought to you by Nespresso and their new Virtuo up coffee machine Press to explore a world of coffee possibilities. Remember how last week I intro'd the show? Well, I'm back to do that again. You're doing amazing. This is Stylish, the podcast for all things fashion, lifestyle, brand and beauty, except I can't do it off my heart, actually. I always forget one word. Yeah, same. I always add in a random word. Oh, what word? What do you want to add today? Oh, cleaning. Yes, I like that one. I'm joined by Anika Joshi-Smith and Naima Fatima and I'm Joanna Fleming. And today we're going to be chatting about a lot of different things, mainly skin.

0:45Now, I want to start off by talking about the World Cup because some very interesting things have been happening in the brand world. Yeah. Especially with Levi's. I really loved this moment from Levi's. And you actually brought this to the forefront, Naima. So I want to get your take on all of this stuff that's been happening. Well, as you know, we're obviously a sports podcast. So we had to come as this today. The unofficial sports podcast. Top of the charts for sports. I saw this earlier in the week and I love stuff like this. I love cheeky marketing. I love when people find a little way around.

1:17So FIFA at the World Cup, there's like official sponsors, costs a lot of money to be an official sponsor. What they ask of brands that exist there, they have to remove their logos if they're not an official sponsor. So, you know, there's stadiums that are named after certain brands. And there's obviously condiments that are in these stadiums that have the brands. There's players with headphones on that also have brands written on them. And FIFA actually has asked all of these brands to cover up their logo. So what actually started this was Levi's Stadium, which is in San Francisco, had to cover up their logo.

1:54And they actually put like a big white tarp over it. And then they had a bit of a rollout. So they changed their Instagram logo to like the covered up version of the logo. And they like rolled it out across multiple different stores. I think the funny part about that as well, though, is that they so neatly tucked the tarp around the logo. You know how Levi's has a really distinctive shape to their logo? It's almost like the Batman shape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you could clearly tell it was Levi's, even though you couldn't see the word. I just thought this was hilarious. Like, honestly, it's genius.

2:27It's reverse marketing in all the right ways. Like imagine being a brand spending what? In excess of hundreds of millions of thousands of dollars. I don't know what the figure was, but it's so genius to actually then go and create this iconic rollout, making it like your logo is so iconic. It shows that your brand can be more than just a name. And like that symbol, like you said, Jo, people know it. It's recognizable. So then to go out and roll it out, put it on your storefronts, put it on your social media. It's like the biggest piss take, but also free sponsorship and free marketing. that's getting more exposure, I think, than the actual brands who are probably paid.

3:02I took a screenshot of the caption when they captioned it. Sorry, I've got it on my phone. But actually, it's just, as a social media girl, it's the best caption ever. Welcome to the world's most beautiful redacted stadium. It's so good. I love it. And then I think the chatter that has then come from this online, like Gillette responding, being like, they got us too. And then they covered their logo in shaving cream. And I'm like, this is so comical, but this is getting my attention. I'm more into these brands than the brands that, I'm sorry, can't even tell you what these brands are. They've paid big bucks.

3:35I actually couldn't name a single sponsor, but I can name all of these brands. They're calling this the Streisand effect. The BBC reported that they're calling this a Streisand effect because it's a phenomenon that happened when Barbara Streisand tried to remove photos of her house from the internet and then more people ended up seeing them because everyone was like, why are you trying to hide from us? It's so good, right? It's just like that human psychology. Like you want what you can't have. I want to see. I want to know more. I want to be involved in that. I don't really care about all these other brands.

4:03And it's actually quite funny how bootleg though some of the cover-ups have been. Like they put sticky tape on Heinz bottles. Sticky tape. Like guys, it's a multi-million dollar sport and we're putting sticky tape in boxes over our condiments. And then they made the PR press rollout. Heinz actually made like a press rollout where they put the sticky tape over their bottles. I actually think like the marketing teams in these businesses must be like, this works. The stuff we've been doing for years, it's working. Everyone's been asking us for ROI. Look at this brand recognition. It's also just wild to me because it's like it's called Levi's Stadium.

4:41So how do you expect to cover that up? Levi's Stadium. You would think that they've paid enough money for to have their stadium called Levi's Stadium. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd think that would be enough. But apparently when the World Cup comes along, it's not. It's redacted stadium now. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's jump into the swap. Annika, do you want to go first? You're sitting in a different seat today and it's really thrown me. I know. We're playing musical chairs here at Stylish and it's actually quite fun. It's like a little hot potato hot seat. Something I love about my job, so anyone who doesn't know what I do, I work in wholesale fashion and I work with a lot of emerging brands and we like to kind of bring them to the forefront, give them a platform to help expand their market share in different regions.

5:18And a brand that I have had my eye on is a brand called Tissa and they are really, they're two beautiful girls and they have just kind of taken their culture. It's all about East meets West design and they've incorporated the classic sari, but re-imagined it with a modern lens. And I just love this because I don't know if you guys know this, but I'm actually half Indian. My family's from Punjab up in the north of India. And for me, seeing my culture blended in such a modern way that still like shows cultural appreciation and still shows our roots and like what's really important and traditional to our culture through a modern lens is so beautiful and I think what's really cool as well just seeing these two girls bring their culture to the forefront but actually having a really curated concept and now the recognition that they're getting from so many westerners as well it's just beautiful to see they've executed their brand in a really really cool way and it's again just like the really classic sari.

6:17So have you guys worn a sari before? I've just done a live Google of this brand. I love. I love this brand. Isn't it stunning? There's a DM in their TikTok like from when they had 5 ,000 followers or something from me because I wanted to wear them to Australian Fashion Week and they weren't like, they hadn't got the stock yet. Yeah. I literally like the second I saw it pop up on my For You page, I DM'd them and I was like, hello, I would like to buy one today. Isn't it stunning? I love that. And I think as well, like Naima, like you will know this as well probably from when you put a sari on, it is quite intricate.

6:51It's the draping. The hardest job in the world. Oh, my gosh. Like, honestly, I'm the worst. And even like my mum and I, when we put saris on, like we literally have to like help pin each other. And there's just like such an art to it, which I've not mastered. So if you're invited to an Indian wedding or if you just want to celebrate our culture, I think this brand is a really beautiful way to do that. Bonus wreck. One of the owners. Her Vogue wedding feature. Yes. Oh, my God. Insane. Her wedding was so incredible, but she made individual outfits for each of her bridesmaids, and they're, like, similar to the style of this brand.

7:27Okay. We're going to have to link that in the episode. Yeah, I reckon we post the carousel of it. It's so incredible, and it's such a beautiful. You do social. Yeah, I'll do it. I thought her wedding was such a beautiful blend of, like, her two cultures and also with her partner. I remember when I saw it on my feet, I like stopped. I was like, this is beautiful. So beautiful. Yeah. I actually kind of envisioned this for you. Thank you. I'll message her. All right. What's your swap, Naomi? I've got two. I'm so sorry. One is just an announcement that Vintage has launched in Australia. Lucy, head of podcast, was very excited about this because whenever she goes back home to London, she like buy stuff ahead of time and like orders it to her parents house it's really really good there's no seller's fee so you keep 100 of the money that you make and I think they're also running a deal at the moment where there's free shipping from the UK oh so very good and also a lot of the time famous people from the UK also put up their clothes on it so a tip for the girlies who love second-hand clothes number two I've got a creator called Talia Madden she is a TikTok creator and she does interiors.

8:37I have just moved apartments and I have moved into like a little bit of a, I really love our apartment, but it's quite new. It's a new build. My aesthetic isn't quite like a new build apartment. I quite like eclectic things in my home. And sometimes when you put it in there, it just looks a little bit like out of place in my opinion. But she has such good tips around decorating your space and she introduced me to the word patina, which is like you kind of need things in your space that have a bit of like rust or like a bit of lived-in feeling. This is my house. It's covered in spit-up. Yeah. Yeah, Poppy knows patina.

9:16Poppy knows patina. But it's like she has this good approach where it's like I think a lot of people go, I want to warm up a space. But if the space itself isn't like a warm wooden or like a brownstone or like an older house, that'll look kind of weird in there. So she's kind of reframes it and goes, add softness. And I was like, that's such a good, nice, like a nice way to think about decorating my space. And she has really good recommendations on where to find art, including search terms. I need that. I actually need that because I need to buy art for my house because we've got a lot of bare walls right now.

9:50I'm like, the art that I had from my old place, I'm like, there's barely, you know. Yeah. It's covering one room. She also gave me, me personally, my close friend, But no, she also gives really good tips on like framing. She'll be like, oh, maybe you don't have to go all the way to the edge. Add in like some paper in the background. This is the level that you need to hang your art at. Oh, I'm going to follow her for sure. Yeah. This is a great shout out. It actually reminds me of this concept called Wabi Sabi. I've got this book called Wabi Sabi Welcome. It's one of my favorites. And it's all about like appreciating things just for as they are.

10:21So it's like at home when your flowers droop and maybe the petals fall. Yeah, I love that. You would naturally pick them up. but it's all about appreciating them just being there. So when you come to my house and it's an absolute bomb, appreciate everything, just being there. It's actually purposeful. You've both done an extra swap today. Now it's your turn. Now it's my turn. I've only got one, but you never know, I might throw in another one later. So I love to throw a little random recommendation in here that has no relation whatsoever to the genres of this podcast. Mine is a TV show. and it actually, I came up with this swap because we got a DM on Stylish Socials the other day and someone was addressing Maddie but then they were saying, I'm actually on a walk listening to True Crime so I guess I'm also addressing Jo.

11:05Yes you are. So I have a police drama to recommend to you. It is called Blue Lights. It's on SBS. It is an Irish police drama. It's got three seasons and they're all on SBS. I think it's also maybe on Stan or something but they've only got two of the seasons and I found all of them on SBS and I think there's another one coming out in September. I love this show. It's really, really good. There's like, there's a love story in there. There's like, there's a lot of drama that goes on. It's a very good show. So if you're into like crime adjacent, like police dramas, UK crime dramas, this would be right up your alley.

11:40Yeah. I'm so into this. I'm into like gangster shit when it comes to like my TV shows. Oh, you might like this then. I might be into this one. Yeah. Yeah, I've just finished a lot of Harlan Corbin's Netflix series. I did not pick that for you. I know. You've surprised me. Yeah, you should get onto this. I'm full of tricks over here and the image teach you. All right. Well, today we're talking all things winter skincare, which is obviously my area of expertise. We've asked some of our favourite creators and industry professionals for their best tips, tricks, recs, advice. We've got some audio snippets from them.

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13:19I am so excited about this episode because I feel like I get like a session with you in the room. How good for me? I know, I'm getting a consult. But like we mentioned, we've got a few voice notes to go through from people in the industry. We've polled you guys as well. But before we actually get into it, we've got our resident skin expert here, Jo. And I'd love for you to give us a bit of a rundown about why winter actually impacts our skin. I appreciate the fact that we've got the creator's voice notes gives me a chance to like have a sip of my drink between me talking. So dry skin in winter.

13:53Look, this is a very common concern that I have clients coming to me with at the moment. Like a lot of people are saying my moisturizer isn't quite cutting it for me. I'm feeling really dry. What I often say is like, how do you describe that feeling of being dry. Are you flaky or are you feeling quite tight after you've cleansed in the shower? And then when you're jumping out before you do your skincare, you're feeling like a little bit of discomfort, maybe even like tingling because your skin's feeling so tight. So I'm often having these conversations. What's kind of important to set this up is understanding that dry skin lacks oil, dehydrated skin lacks water.

14:28And these are two different concerns. So dry skin is a skin type and people that have a tendency towards being a little bit drier like me, I would say that I'm normal to dry in terms of my skin type. So when winter rolls around, I experience more of those dryness symptoms. So I can experience a bit of flaking, a bit of rough texture, those types of things. But our oily skins can also experience dehydration. So you may be experiencing signs of dehydration rather than signs of dryness during winter. And we can often experience that dehydration because humidity drops quite significantly in the winter months, especially if you're somewhere very cold like Melbourne.

15:04And our indoor heating is absolutely the worst for your skin. And then like sharp changes in temperature. You know, you might be in a really hot office like we are right now and then walk outside into like blistering cold winds. I'm sure the people that are living on the Gold Coast and listening to this can't relate. Hot showers as well, stripping away your natural oils. They can all impact your barrier function. And so our barrier is what creates this bricks and mortar kind of protection from external irritants, bacteria, pollutants, and it stops your moisture from escaping. And when that barrier is impaired from a variety of reasons, like I just mentioned that low humidity, indoor heating, et cetera, all of those things kind of impacting your skin, we can then start to experience those signs of dryness or dehydration.

15:50And that could be things like delayed healing. It might be flaking. It might be sensitivity. It might be redness. It could be breakouts. There's lots of ways that an impaired barrier can show up or signs of dehydration and dryness can show up. So it's very important that we support our skin more when it's impaired. And so over winter, you might have to do a bit more TLC for your skin than you would in summer. Like in summer, you might just slap on whatever and it works well, but in winter you kind of slap on whatever and it's like, oh, that's not working for me. Makeup is not sitting the way that it normally does.

16:21So sometimes cutting back on the actives is worthwhile. Selecting appropriate formulas for your skin type or opting for different ingredients during winter. So we're going to go through all of that kind of stuff together today and get the input from our creators as well. We asked some of our creators what they change about their skincare routines during winter and the issues that they face with their skin. Our first answer is from beauty content creator, Claire Bridget. I'm going to play that for you now. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I feel like a shriveled up raisin in winter because my skin gets super dehydrated, making my pores and fine lines look 10 times worse.

16:59So because of this, I focus on my skin barrier and hydration. Always, always love a milky toner as my first step after cleansing. And on that note, always making sure I'm using a cleanser that isn't going to strip my skin, especially in winter. I love those tips from Claire because sometimes that cleanser that you use in summer, you might be using a foaming cleanser or a gel, and it really does strip the skin too much in winter if you are experiencing a little bit of an impaired barrier. So opting for a milky or creamy cleanser could be a really good option. And also just throwing an extra milky toner in there to your existing routine can just help to offset those signs of dryness a little bit more.

17:37Makeup artist Yarn Donne also weighed in and he actually suffers from eczema, is what he had to say. My biggest skin concern in winter is definitely dryness and itchiness. I have eczema prone skin, so heaters, hot showers, and the colder weather can really strip my skin. The biggest change I make is switching to a richer, more emollient moisturizer. And I still layer my hydrating products underneath, but that thicker moisturizer really helps to lock everything in and supports my skin barrier throughout the day. He knows what's up. And then we have Michelle, a makeup artist who goes by Gucci Paints on socials.

18:07If you don't already follow Michelle, you will absolutely love looking at her work. And her own skin, beautiful. So she's shared a snippet with us as well. The first thing I'll always do in winter when I'm changing up my skincare routine is address my cleanser. I find that in summer I can get away with the cleansing oil and then a nice gel cleanser to just get a deeper clean. But in winter I really just can't do that. I will just stick with my oil cleanser and I'll double cleanse with that instead. And of course in the morning, for me personally, I don't really like to wash my face with any cleanser at all.

18:38I just like to use water. I will point out I'm not super breakout prone, so I don't find I really need a deep cleanse in winter. It's funny. A lot of clients say to me, should I be cleansing in the morning? I'm not cleansing in the morning. Oh, sorry, I don't cleanse in the morning. I'm like, I don't care if you cleanse in the morning. It's optional. Live your life. As long as you're cleansing at night, I don't give a shit. Lots about cleansers. I wasn't expecting that. Do you change your cleanser up? I'm keen to know what you guys experience in winter in terms of your skin. I haven't thought about my cleanser as much as I should be.

19:07Apparently, I just stick to the same one, but maybe that's what's contributing to the dryness. Actually, the dehydration. I've learned the difference between the two words now. So thank you for teaching me that. Do you think that's what you're experiencing more than dryness? Yeah, I don't have, I think that like flaky kind of thing that you were saying that I don't experience that, whereas I just feel quite tight in my skin. So dehydrated. So maybe that's something that I need to look into for my routine. But yeah, I would say overall, very dehydrated skin over this time of year. I'm definitely similar, but I think I find as well, and I think because I'm also currently breastfeeding, that I'm extra dry.

19:48Like when Claire dropped in about looking like a shriveled prune, I completely relate. Because I just feel so tight. And because also like having a newborn in the house, our air conditioning and heating is always on. Like the house is set to 23 at all times just for her comfort. and I find myself like just so dry, especially through like my nasal area and around my mouth. And I've actually changed up my cleansing quite a bit. I've been using my oil cleanser. I usually double cleanse, but I've actually stopped doing it in the morning. I really just focus on more hydrating and more nourishing products.

20:23And something I do every single winter is I'll go and pay a visit to my trusted skin specialist, Mel at Studio Wong, and she will kind of just tell me what I should focus on and what I shouldn't. And I think it's so easy to think I need to put on more products. But she actually told me you're doing the right thing. Let's actually strip it back and focus on just what your skin needs. And I found that to work really well for myself. Yeah. A lot of people don't apply the less is more. Yeah. And I think you'll easily go, oh, shit, I've got to slap more on because it's so cold out. So it's going to be thicker and more products.

20:54But then, now correct me if I'm wrong, but is that going to create potentially like more clogged pores? and then again just not the vibe we want. Yeah, it could increase congestion depending on what your concerns are and what your skin type is. Absolutely. Like layering on more stuff could then present more issues. It's funny that you mentioned that lower face as well because that's a really common area to experience perioral dermatitis. Okay. And so when you start getting very impaired around that area, then that can obviously increase your chances of developing something like that, which can become quite a chronic thing to deal with.

21:22Okay. And I feel like when I get sick, like if I have a cold, That's kind of the first. Yes. We're not on video, but I'm pointing to my nose and mouth area. But I feel like that's the first place I experience a lot of dryness. Yeah. So true about the heater. We work in an office with 20-something women. So the heater is always on and it's normally on at about 25 degrees. And same with my house. I'm pretty like, because I haven't gotten a bill at this new place. Obviously. I haven't had a bill yet, so I get up and go, here on. And just that's me at the moment. The house is hot. So I'm blasting a lot of heat onto my face.

22:06It's not even just the heat. It's the fact that like that type of heating and air conditioning going all the time strips all of the humidity out of the air. So there's like no moisture in the air. Perfect. Me. Every five seconds. But I think for that, I've kind of changed up my moisturiser. going for like more of a thick one. I know that probably goes against what you were just saying, Annika, but I've just swapped it out. So I normally just go for like a CeraVe like moisturizer, but I have gone into a thicker, more hydrating moisturizer, which is the Kiehl's Ultra Facial Cream with squalene. I will say really expensive.

22:44So I apologize in advance. It is$142, but I've been on a bit of a TikTok rabbit hole and a Reddit rabbit hole, tried to find a few dupes. But apparently the go-to very useful facial cream, the Mecca Max Thirst Impression, Thirst Impression, that's funny. Thirst Impression Priming Hydrating Moisturiser and the Nivea Soft Moisturising Cream are all really good swap outs and significantly less money. Speaking from my experience, also the Laneige Waterbank Moisturiser. There you go. Talking about products, we actually also asked our creators, our judging panel, what their hero products for winter are.

23:21We're going to start off with Claire. this is what she had to say. That's actually so easy. La Roche-Posay Sika Plus Balm B5 Plus. I preach it so much on my socials. This is a godsend. It's the best multi-purpose product. I kind of think of it like a skin barrier repair balm, but I personally use it as a thicker nighttime moisturizer when my skin is feeling dry, irritated, and sensitive. It's even so great on those dry, flaky spots of skin so many people get in winter. You guys on social also loved this. I think it was like 30 % of the answers of people's Hero products. That's a lot. Yeah. It's so interesting because I have the reverse effect.

24:02Like it actually makes me break out. Interesting. Yeah. So I actually like that you say that because Claire made a good point in her voice note of when she uses it, it's when her barrier is impaired or she's really dry or for flaky spots. Some people use it as an ongoing moisturizer. And they've got the wrong skin type for it. So a really dry, more mature skin could probably get away with using it as a nightly moisturizer with no issues. But if you're more of a congestion prone combination to oily skin, it's not really going to be the right fit for your skin type. So unfortunately, it's one of those like, you know, it's very TikTok popular and I love Cigabast and I've got a drier skin.