The real winners of Coachella 2026

14 Apr 2026 · 47 min · 15 chapters

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In short

The episode covers (1) a legal/brand update on Jo Malone vs Estée Lauder over Zara fragrance naming/association, (2) Coachella 2026 as “Influencer Olympics,” focusing on influencer pitching, billboard tactics, and major brand activations, and (3) Anna Wintour and Meryl Streep’s Vogue US cover for Devil Wears Prada 2 and what it signals about Anna’s personal brand control.

Guests

No external guests. Hosts are Rhiannon Joyce, Joanna Fleming, and Naima Fatima.

Key claims

Coachella has shifted toward commercial marketing and consumerism, with micro-influencers pitching brands and billboard/OOH creative driving higher ROI. Vogue’s cover is framed as a strategic narrative move to “own the narrative,” likely leveraging earned media around the film.

Notable examples

Major Lazer “Ozempic ass” billboard; Ollipop/Good Wipes “peaches get too dusty”; Gap Hoodie House; Real Actives portable chargers; 818 Outpost (Kardashian brands); Rode pop-up (incl. mirror selfie line); Revolve mushrooms theme; Starbucks backlash; Vogue cover with Anna’s “Anna’s Angels” assistant podcast and Vogue’s unspoken uniform rules.

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Jo Malone Update

0:45 to 2:49

Discussion about the Jo Malone legal situation and recent developments.

“Well, I have a little update for you from a previous episode from a couple of weeks ago.”

Introducing Coachella Discussion

2:49 to 3:22

Transitioning to the main topic of Coachella and its cultural impact.

“I had assumed at the time that there'd been a packaging change.”

Podcast Swaps and Recommendations

3:22 to 4:52

Sharing podcast episodes and insights on beauty and business.

“The outfits, the activation, the billboards.”

Coachella Experience and Performances

4:52 to 7:24

Discussion about attending Coachella and notable performances.

“detail around the relationship breakdown, how she kind of came out of that.”

Influencer Dynamics at Coachella

12:12 to 14:01

Insight into how influencers are promoting themselves at Coachella.

“for making this episode of Stylish possible.”

Branding Moments at Coachella

14:01 to 15:10

Discussing the impact of branding moments at Coachella, including personal stories.

“I actually think it would be a really good branding moment.”

The Evolution of Brand Activations

15:11 to 20:21

Exploring how brand activations at Coachella have evolved from music focus to commercialization.

“say in the last two years, this has really supercharged.”

Standout Brand Activations

20:22 to 23:07

Highlighting specific brand activations and experiences from Coachella that stood out.

“What were the branded activations that really stood out to you guys?”

Consumerism and Brand Sentiment

23:08 to 28:00

Discussing the backlash against brands at Coachella and the growing concern of consumerism.

“There was a few creators that posted about there being a line to take a mirror selfie.”

Coachella Fashion Highlights

28:00 to 31:50

The hosts discuss standout fashion moments from Coachella and their personal styles.

“This is more of a brand, but I really liked the influences Spell took because Spell feels like it's so Coachella.”
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Vogue's Star Cover Discussion

32:20 to 35:02

The hosts analyze the significance of the Anna Wintour and Meryl Streep Vogue cover.

“Okay, so last week I was sitting in bed and I opened up my phone right before I was going to sleep.”

Strategic Brand Positioning of Anna Wintour

35:02 to 38:12

Discussion on how Anna Wintour is reclaiming her narrative and influencing Vogue's direction.

“Well, interestingly, Chloe actually referenced in her letter to the editor that they wanted to have some fun with this as well.”

Insights from Vogue's Former Assistants

38:12 to 42:00

The hosts reflect on insights shared by former Vogue assistants regarding their experiences.

“someone else does is a valuable lesson in brand strategy.”

The Evolution of Vogue: Anna and Chloe's Collaboration

42:00 to 45:09

Explore the dynamic partnership between Anna and Chloe and its impact on Vogue's direction.

“there's collaborative conversations happening between Anna.”

Anticipation for the Met Gala

45:09 to 45:56

Discuss the upcoming Met Gala and its significance in the context of Vogue's changes.

“And it's a really nice handing over of the baton, it feels.”
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Transcript

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0:15Hello guys, this is stylish the podcast for all things fashion, lifestyle, brand and beauty. My name is Rhiannon Joyce and today my co-hosts are Joanna Fleming and Naima Fatima. Hello. Hi. New trio unlocked. Yeah. New trio unlocked. I just realised. Yeah. As I sat down, I was like, wait, I actually haven't recorded with the both of you before. New combination. This is also my first time doing a Wednesday intro. How did I go? Amazingly. Thank you so much. I have to say, Naima's skin looks literally airbrushed from here. Glowing. I touched up before I came in. What foundation are you wearing? wearing oh my god aggressive i'm not wearing a foundation but i just put on the rare beauty blush and that does a lot it's like a really bright pink color okay that distracts from everything else so she's just perfect okay so you have no other products on your face right now uh and except okay yeah the merit beauty stick under my eyes the merit beauty stick is very good yeah it is very good but wow okay so she's just naturally beautiful all right I don't know how to respond to that, guys.

1:22But thank you. Thank you. Well, I have a little update for you from a previous episode from a couple of weeks ago. So our listeners might remember we touched on the Jo Malone London situation. So to recap for those that didn't hear it, Estee Lauder Companies was taking legal action against Jo Malone CBE. So Jo Malone, the person. At the time that we recorded that episode, Jo Malone herself hadn't responded to that legal action and that news that was announced. But the other day, maybe a couple of days ago, she posted a statement via Instagram, which now has almost 2 million views. And in that video, she said that she's very surprised and sad and that they've gone above and beyond to ensure that the Zara fragrances weren't associated with Jo Malone London.

2:05Like they did all the things that they thought they were meant to do, essentially. and I touched on in that episode that when we were arranging Jo Loves at Adore Beauty that it was very specifically stipulated you had to say Jo Malone CBE. Anyway so she said like why now after seven years of partnering with Zara have Estee Lauder companies decided to bring this to court essentially. She said that she's going to defend her position in court but she hopes that cents will prevail and that they'll be able to find a way to work in the same market. So yeah we'll see what happens there but I just thought I'd give you a little update because we did say we'd stay across it.

2:39So I thought it was worth flagging. It's an interesting one. We did go into depth about everything that was going on in our previous episode, but for it to be seven years after and it then be a problem is really interesting. I had assumed at the time that there'd been a packaging change. I was like, oh, they must have updated the packaging and the wording. And that's where Estée Lauder have clocked it and been like, actually, no, that's not going to work for us. But the fact that she didn't flag that in her response makes me think, oh, it's actually been the same for seven years. Yeah, it's been longstanding.

3:08Yeah, and they've just suddenly gone, mm, nah. Yeah, it's bizarre. Maybe it was just at the bottom of someone's to-do list. You know? They finally got to it. Got to it. Thanks for the update, Jo. All right, guys, today we're discussing all things Coachella. We have to. We have to talk about Coachella. It's absolutely dominating the piece. Sorry, Bieber-chella. Bieber-chella or Sabrina-chella. Whatever side you sit on. The outfits, the activation, the billboards. We've got a lot to get through when it comes to the Coachella content. And then we're going to be chatting about Anna Wintour and Meryl Streep's Vogue cover.

3:41When I logged on Instagram and this went live, it was literally every second story re-shared on my feed. It was everywhere. We even shared it on the stylish socials. It's more than a cover, though. There's a bit to get to when it comes to how it actually came about and what it actually means. And we're going to deepen that a bit later. But first, guys, it's time for the swap. Who's going first? Well, you're sitting in Annika's seat. Me? So yeah, as the original cast member, I'm going to say, Rie, you go first. Okay, mine is a podcast episode. You guys know I adore Emma Grade and I love her podcast, Aspire.

4:15I did recently listen to the episode that featured Bobbi Brown. So kind of similar vein to the conversations we were having around Jo Malone, Bobbi Brown actually sold her name rights and her namesake brand to Estee Lauder for, I can't even remember what it was sold for, but I think it was over a billion dollar valuation at the time. So this episode is really good because Bobbie actually goes into detail about what actually happened at Estee Lauder. She had a non-compete in place. Then she went and started Jones Road, which is also on its way to be a billion dollar brand. She started at 63. And I will say in this episode, she dishes some major tea.

4:52She doesn't name names, but she goes into some pretty decent detail around the relationship breakdown, how she kind of came out of that. Also, guys, she's just a gritty, scrappy woman. Yeah. So the NDA is expired as well. The NDA is definitely expired, but the way she talks about how she builds is really interesting and really refreshing, particularly for someone at her age who has such a wealth of experience. I will say she doesn't really shit on Estee Lauder company. She talks a lot about like what she actually learned under that umbrella of like such a big brand, even though she was the face of it.

5:26She says she learned so much, but yeah, It's one of the best episodes I've listened to for a while, but I just really love that she's still a scrappy person when it comes to business and how she gets shit done. Worth a listen. I used to do it twice. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. So crazy. Yeah. Who's going next? Now we're all looking at each other. Go on. Okay. I've got a Coachella themed swap. I watched the Cat's Eye live stream on Saturday. This was most of my weekend, to be perfectly honest with you. I was on YouTube. I was watching all the sets and I watched the Cat's Eye one. if anyone doesn't know they are a girl group and they came out of the Netflix TV show Dream Academy and they like essentially built this girl group in like an audition round and they like filmed the whole thing.

6:10What's the original show that's like that? It's like um yeah X Factor. Yeah it's like yeah this is like a new round X Factor. Like a Netflix version. Yeah but what they've put in is like the principles of like K-pop so they've like they're fully trained in like dance, singing, like the girls in it are incredible. The reason I wanted to talk about Lara Raj, who's one of the members, is because she is half Indian, half Sri Lankan, and she is just so cool. Like she is a pop star through and through. After I watched this set, I was on her Instagram and I was just like, every outfit, every post she makes, I was like, you are just like the embodiment of a pop star.

6:51And I don't know if I've really seen that from a lot of brown girls. So I I was like, this is so cool. I really, like I was looking at how she did her makeup and I was like, oh, I want to do my makeup like that now. But yes, all of her outfits, her makeup, she's just cool. She's just cool. I think they're all really cool. Yeah. That song is so catchy. Yeah. I can't even remember what it's called. It's like bap, bap, bap. Yeah.

7:15We needed Maddie here. I know. But it's just like everyone jumping up and down. It's like very boppy. I'm like, how are you dancing so much and singing? It's so impressive. Honestly. The cardio fitness is something else. They were featured a lot in Best Dress List that I looked at on Vogue and a few of the websites for the Coachella Weekend. They've got some serious style and I feel that they're on a really, really strong trajectory of fame. Jo? My swap is probably one of the most random ones I've ever done, but it's actually a card game. I've been very into board games of late because I've been trying to stay off my phone.

7:49So I've been very into things that, like, keep me away from my phone being on social media. So Adrian bought a version of Uno that I wasn't about at the time. I was like, why couldn't you just buy the regular version? You always have to do something different. Like, why did you buy Uno Flip? I didn't even know you could buy other versions. Yeah, so there are other versions of it. There's a version called Uno Flip and I am a convert. It is so good. I'm back at 100%. I did not expect anyone in the room to have played it. No, I love Uno Flip. I literally have no idea what it is. Tell me what it is.

8:18Okay. So Uno Flip is like regular Uno on one side and then the other side of the cards is like a completely different game. So you get a whole different set of colours and there's like also different prompts as well. So you have a whole different set of moves that you can do. And like new rules and... Well, kind of, yeah. So you could be playing the regular game and then you have a flip card and someone can go flip and then you turn, like we say in my family, Flippy Whippy, and then you turn it over. Really? Yeah, you turn it over and then you've got a whole new set of cards. So you could think you're winning and be like, oh, I've got the best cards and then someone pulls a Flippy Whippy.

8:50Spanner. Yeah. And so you're basically starting again. And I think it just makes the game so much more exciting and you can just go for longer, I feel. Keeps everyone on edge. Yeah. I would hate that because if I was winning and then I got a flippy whippy or. Yeah. That's the good part. Really throws this batter in, yeah. Because then you might be down and then you're like, no, I'm back up. Oh, no, I'm so happy that you've played it before. I take it to the pub. I love taking it with my friends and we just play. The other one that's very, very good is Monopoly Deal. Okay. So. Fun fact, I've never played Monopoly and Adrian's just bought it so that I can learn how to play.

9:26Monopoly deal is easier because it's a card version. Okay. So you don't have to pull out like a whole board game situation. So it's good for when you're like traveling with friends or like, you know, then you can just have it in your bag, pull it out. Righto. Here we go. Well, that might be a future swap. I'm a Cluedo gal. So when they bring out a card version of Cluedo, let me know. Cluedo flip. Yeah. Noted. We also have a remote swap from Arnica today too. So we're going to play that now. Something came. saying, which was very big on the runways, was the pillbox hats trend. Now, I honestly thought at the spring racing carnival last year, we would have seen so many more outfits finished with the little pillbox hats, but there weren't actually that many.

10:04So I'm anticipating we're going to see more coming into Australian shores soon, especially thinking about how this trend originated from the 19th century as military headgear. And then Jackie Kennedy made them super famous in the 60s as well. I think the trend was perceived once quite modest, but now it's an absolute trend because it's elegant, simple and incredibly chic. I love this swap because I'm noticing this a lot in Bridal Fashion Week. Yes. At the back of New York Bridal Week. Yeah. That's so chic. Yeah. I'm noticing it being like the go-to headpiece now in replacement of a veil. So many girls on the runway were rocking the little pillbox hat.

10:41Yes. I also saw Magnolia Ave release one recently. So it's probably playing out in the bridal space. I haven't seen much in the autumn, winter, everything that's coming out thus far. I haven't really seen it. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see how that trickles through. So cool for a hens. Yes. Yes. Like with a suit. Anyway, I'm going into it. That's very Jackie Kennedy. Very Jackie Kennedy. Next, we're going to be discussing all things Coachella or Bebichella. But that will be right after a word from today's sponsor. We all know a woman who manages to hold it all together and look chic doing it.

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12:17Coachella obviously kicked off first weekend. Major headlines, Justin Bieber, Sabrina Carpenter, so many more. But I feel those are the two that absolutely dominated the feed. I would say Coachella has become known as like the it place to be seen if you're an influencer. I saw a few TikToks actually labeling it the Influencer Olympics. So people getting really creative with that. It's really focusing on the aspiring content creators both in the lead up to it and over the weekend. I saw a lot of influences from Australia also traveling over this year. I feel like in the last two or three years, there's been a bit more of that.

12:51Usually it's been predominantly US focused, but I'm seeing people from all over the world travel. Something I also noticed last week in the lead up to Coachella though, that I found really interesting and I want to talk about, particularly in the States. So this feels more localized in the US than what it does here. So maybe this is like very niche to my algorithm, them. But a lot of micro influencers were actually pitching to brands to take them to Coachella. So they were doing the full PowerPoint presentation and all about why they should be there. I loved it. Same. I thought it was so cutie, especially because it was coming from people who probably aren't on the top of the radar when it comes to, you know, these brand activations and these huge, huge brands activating at Coachella who are taking more established influences.

13:34I'm like, shoot your shot yeah 100 shoot your shot I think it's so cool because a lot of the time I guess brands look at ROI of like a really big influencers because they've got more followers but when it's a micro influencer their community gets behind them in a way that is just different like I actually think it would be really smart for brands to take micro influencers because not only would their community get behind it sometimes like all of TikTok gets behind it because they're just so excited for the small guy. I actually think it would be a really good branding moment. Did we see any that did a pitch that actually ended up going?

14:08I saw one girl who did a pitch. She was already attending, so had tickets, but she didn't have any accommodation lined up. And then she ended up getting hooked up by like Hilton. So she got like a four-year experience and everything. I did see her. So that was cool. I was really happy for her. I was like, go off, girl. And then she documented the whole experience. It felt really organic. And to your point, everyone was really rallying behind her. Her whole community was just so happy that she had this added experience. But I will say majority of my feed was very much dominated by brands who were taking a lot of like larger high profile influences.

14:41But that was not it was nice to see that creep through with my feed. Yeah. Well, it's like following the journey of getting there. Yeah, exactly. Anyone who got there and it was like they shot their shot, they would have over delivered in a way. Like I think in a lot of contracts, it's like specific amounts that you have to post. If I was going and I'd like shot my shot and it was the week before, I would be posting every second. You'd want to be posting as well because you're just so happy and so excited to be there. But yeah, it was like a nice little thing to see. I really enjoyed it. But the main focus I really want to talk about today is the brand activations at Coachella because I would say in the last two years, this has really supercharged.

15:18It feels like it is becoming a huge commercial event. In its origin, Coachella was more focused on the music and most festivals were back in the day. Now a lot of festivals are really evolving into these brand marketing moments. You know, it used to be about how do we create music experiences across different genres. Now it's very much, okay, how are brands showing up in this space? Not even just at the festival itself, but on the way to the festival and in the surrounding areas. I want to start with the billboards first because more so this year than any other year, I saw a lot of brands sharing creative of the billboards that they actually purchased along the way to Coachella.

15:58But then I also saw a lot of brands hijacking these moments and using that marketing adjacent tactic and super imposing or using AI on the billboards to make it look like that they were part of the Coachella experience. What did you guys see? I feel like the last few years, it's always been more around the artist billboards. Like, you know, it's a bit of an activity that people drive out the weekend before or like the week before and like go along the highway and like take photos of it so they can like share it beforehand and it's like first look of the billboards and I feel like the last few years it's always been more artist space and like the artists have really dominated that this year I felt like my feed online was a lot of that photoshopped you know they weren't actually there but they created the illusion that they were yeah definitely capitalized off the hype yeah although they don't get the shareability of the people that are actually posting that are driving along that highway on their way to Coachella.

16:52So you get the reach of your own social media channels, but not necessarily the kind of coverage that you would want. Okay. So there were a lot of billboards. What billboards were your favorite? This one's not a real one, but maybe I'll give you a real one. Give me a real one first and then we'll talk about the fakies. I loved Sabrina Carpenters. It was so her and it was like a very specific, it showed exactly what her show was going to be. So it had like the theme of like the 1950s, 50s and she was going to be like a showgirl and like it was Hollywood and it kind of like preempted what the whole concept of her actual show was going to be and I really liked that through line.

17:29Do you know what's interesting? I don't know what one you're talking about. I did not see the Sabrina Carpenter one. Is that the one with Redken? No it was sorry this is an artist only one. Artist only. I did not see that. It's so funny how you see different things pop up because all I saw was the major laser or Zempick one which you also sent Jo. That's my favorite one. Yeah. is the Major Lazer artist one, which was like iMessage bubble. And it said, come shake that little Ozempic ass 6pm Sunday at Major Lazer. Very playful. Very funny. Yeah. My favourite branding one was Ollipop and Good Wipes.

18:03And they did a little play on words, obviously, with Justin Bieber headlining. It was just in case your peaches get too dusty. And it was an ad for flushable wipes. I love that. There's nothing better than a contextually relevant creative messaging on a billboard. That is like chef's kiss. Yeah, I liked that. This time of year, this ad space would be hot property. Obviously, there would be allocations that are probably reserved for artists or they're getting access through the studios for those sites. And the studios are probably paying the fees on those locations. But for the brand allocated sites, huge premiums would apply for this period because they know that there's a lot of shareability.

18:37They know that people are going to be taking photos of the site, hoping that it's shareable on socials. Creative pressure is on. Yeah. And I want to talk about the creative of an out of home billboard. And I'm going to nerd out a little bit here because out of home is my background. On the record, we know from a recent study that ORE Media actually did, there is a 41 % increase in ROI if the creative is really strong. So it is the backbone of out of home. If you can't get that creative right, it is not landing. And when it comes to Coachella, I feel like brands go that extra mile to make sure that there is that relevancy in terms of the connection to the desert or the connection to, you know, the shows or the people who were performing, that example you just gave, there's a likelihood that if it was just like a generic ad, you just would not have remembered it because it had the contextual alignment, one, to the desert experience of being at a festival, but two, also having the hook and tie to Justin Bieber makes that really memorable and makes you go, oh, that's funny.

19:32Yeah. And you probably wouldn't if you hadn't worked in Out of Home, which refers to billboards and, you know, bus stops and things like that. You wouldn't realize that there's a massive psychological element when it comes to deciding on that creative as well, like the colours chosen, the text chosen, the imagery chosen, how it's positioned on the billboard. You don't think of all of these things, but there really is such a huge psychological play with getting you to actually look at something and digest it. Especially with static. I feel like everything is digital and everything you're just switching off.

20:00It's really an opportunity to cut through. I absolutely love it. And I was so happy to see so many brands use it to their advantage. I wish with the Zempic one, they had said not delivered. Like, I feel like that would have really tied in the whole festival experience. Like the message was actually green, not blue. Green, not delivered. Like, you know. So true. When you got to Coachella, it was like serious, serious brand activations were rolling out. Every corner. Every corner. It felt like everything was branded. Yeah. What were the branded activations that really stood out to you guys? I really liked the Gap Hoodie House.

20:35I saw this. That was clever. Yeah. So I think this really played into like the human experience of going to a festival. And like what I know is that Coachella is boiling hot during the day but apparently freezing at night, like really, really, really cold because it's a desert. And what is the like festival experience? You go to a festival and you're like, no, I'll be fine, and then you're freezing. Yeah. And having somewhere where you can buy like an exclusive hoodie or like a zip-up hoodie and you can customise it and it says Coachella, perfect. I think it's so cool. I really liked Alex Earl Real Actives giving everyone branded portable chargers, I think.

21:15Genius. I didn't see that either. Yeah, and people had them stuck to the, what are they called, the Octobuddies. Octobuddies, yeah. So everyone holding their phone had their portable chargers and it had Real Actives on it. Oh, smart. What do you need at a festival? A portable charger. The one that saturated my feed the most was the 818 Outpost. Yes. I saw a lot of 818. I honestly couldn't even, I don't have time in this episode to list how many sponsors or like pop-up brands were within that outpost. You had all of the Kardashian brands, like Lemmy were there, Cloud, Salt and Stone, Rode, all of these different brands were activating in some way.

21:52So the 818 outpost actually was covered by People Brands and Things, which is a very popular Instagram profile. We've probably mentioned it several times on this podcast, but they covered the behind the scenes of how this event comes together across their socials and their sub stack, which just shows you how intense this process is of combining all of these different sponsors and making sure the event goes off without a hitch and that you haven't forgotten a single detail. It's actually really interesting if you want to go and look at the behind the scenes of, you know, what happens in this world to bring this event together.

22:25It's yeah, worth a look. I thought it was interesting that Rode did a little mini pop up within the 818 Outpost because they had their own separate pop-up, which I think was only on day two by the looks of it. Was it? Yeah. I think they sent out stuff on day one. Day one. But the actual pop-up was on day two. Yes. Which I actually, it wasn't saturating my feed as much as the 818. And then when I started looking for the content, that's when I started seeing all of the influencers that were invited, you know, posting about their experiences there. And look, it was pretty well done, I thought. They had a bar, they had little games like darts, you could win kids, the claw machine.

23:03They had a makeup touch-up station so you could actually get out of the heat because it looked like it was really hot on day two as well. And they had a DJ. There was a few creators that posted about there being a line to take a mirror selfie. I saw the video of that as well. Yeah, there was like a mirror that was shaped in the Rode R, but it looked like it was pretty well done. I just thought it was interesting that they would also activate in a separate area of the festival as well. Yeah. Cause then it was like a ride to get in. Yeah. Like it wasn't like on site. So you had to like go separately and then like make your way into the festival as well.

23:37Which I thought was interesting. Road were all over my feed. I love Justin Bieber and I love Hayley and I love that crossover and the intersection of their two worlds coming together at Coachella. It felt like a really good execution. I think it was so smart that they did the collab as well leading into it. Apparently all the stock went on sale the day that Justin Bieber was performing. Like everything was super strategic, well-timed. It felt like the perfect amalgamation of both of their brands coming together. I love the little mushrooms as well. Felt like mushrooms. I've got to call out the elephant in the room.

24:10There is a connotation here to elicit substances being mushrooms, right? Yeah. And the way that they're physically showing up is these cutie little pop-up toys and fun things that people are then playing on in a brand capacity but I feel like there is a subtle nod there and maybe I'm over maybe I'm reading into this a bit too much. Well that billboard was also just little mushrooms. Little mushrooms as well and I'm just is there something there? Can I say? Marie's looking around for reassurance but it's like oh. I don't know it seems to me that there is just this reoccurring theme of mushrooms that I'm noticing.

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24:44There was another brand that did it as well. Revolve also had mushrooms on their billboard, but I couldn't work out it was from this year or from a previous year. I actually listened to an episode on the Business of Fashion, their debrief podcast, which was talking about Revolve's heavy investment and they're locked into AI. And part of that conversation touched on how they activate and show up at Coachella because we all know that they're probably the goat brand at Coachella. I feel like they're the gold star that everyone's trying to. They're the OG. OG and everyone's trying to emulate that.

25:13Correct. Yeah. Which was live this year. Yeah. But yeah, mushrooms. They also were playing on that. I just couldn't work out. It was from this year or it was from a previous year? Yeah. Yeah. There's a common theme here. Raise trend of the festival. Mushrooms. The PR sendouts for Rode were, to me, I made this like observation. I do receive like gifting at home quite a bit and I'm like opening up these packages and I've noticed a big shift in Australia recently. Not recently, over the last probably two years, I would say. We used to get these quite Americanised PR sendouts that would be all this excess kind of packaging and there would be all of these things that were like single use.

25:52And we see a lot less of that in Australian PR these days. We're still seeing it a lot in the US. Yeah. So they're like, you know, poppable balloons, the things that are going to end up in landfill. Yes, it is a bit more gimmicky. So I did notice that and I'm like, I don't know if that PR sendout would translate in Australia the way that it does for US creators. That's really interesting, Jo, and I think that's a really fair observation to make because I would say that you would be pressed to find people really get around that sort of PR in Australia. It does feel like very US coded. I also felt that that consumerism did translate on site at a lot of these activations.

26:29One that I noticed a lot that was getting backlash from different creators and just people online in general, predominantly on TikTok in the US, was Starbucks. People are very angry towards Starbucks and there are a lot of large creators that were also affiliated with the brand on site at Coachella. And people then, you know, started having conversations around consumerism, like maxing out basically this year at Coachella and Starbucks, I would say was the brand that was at the front of that conversation. Yeah. Did you see a bit of that? Yeah, I saw a bit of it. And I also saw a lot of the rhetoric of like the power of saying no, like a lot of creators came out and said, you know, there have been brand deals I've gotten that I know would have been fun for the weekend but in the long term was going to be bad for me yeah so they didn't say starbucks specifically they didn't call out any creators but all the search terms seem to go to it yeah something like coachella given how big it is now and how much it has really become a marketing tool for so many brands it is more about the marketing and the influences and the creators than what it is about the music and that's a sad reality totally and a lot of these festivals do depend on these budgets to be able to activate and to be able to show up it does feel like the pendulum has lent very heavy into the marketing side for Coachella more so than others.

27:40So I'd be really interested to see over the next few years if they start to correct that or if it's just going to continue to become more about product, consumerism, branding, marketing. Because from an advertising point of view, it's a great way to try and connect with the younger demographic because we know that our demographics are aging out of Coachella and Gen Z is very much the ones who are leaning into this experience. So that's why brands are really trying to show up here but I'm curious to see how the sentiment shifts over the next couple of years and are we maxing out on consumerism we'll see time will tell so to move on from the brand stuff any fits from Coachella that stood out to you randomly somber the all leather fit and the lace bodysuit underneath when he was performing it looked cool and like old rock star vibes I I really loved it.

28:31He just looked amazing. What about you guys? This is more of a brand, but I really liked the influences Spell took because Spell feels like it's so Coachella. Very Coachella-coded. Yeah, that's like their style all the time. So it's like that is their brand DNA. How would you describe their style? Like if you didn't know who Spell were? Whimsical, lots of textures, lots of tassels, quite like browns, whites, creams. Kind of like a Western sort of skew, like lots of tassels. Suede. a fair bit of crochet like lots of textures and yeah I saw a few girls that went with spell they all just had quite layered looks and they accessorized to the max and I it's uh not a way that I dress but I was like very interested I was like this is so cool how this actually fits into the environment and it seemed very true to the personal style of the creators that they took as well yeah it's always fun just seeing the get ready with me I actually really love those videos It's like, what I'm wearing on day two?

29:29And I'm just like, aren't you going to be freezing later? Yeah. I love the fit, but I just know myself. I'm like, my feet would be killing me 10 minutes into the day. That's why they're going to Gap to get the cap hoodie. Exactly. I will say I immediately Googled as soon as I saw Hayley rock up at the road pop-up. Yeah. In that dress. Immediate Googles. Where is this from? I need to know immediately. She looks so good. She wore a 1998 Dior yellow and pink mini. It was so cute. It looked so good on her. Her stylist is Dani Michelle. I mean, no surprises. She just, yeah, killed it in that outfit.

30:02She looks so good. Really soft, like natural looking blow wave as well. She just looked so effortless. Like she just threw that out in the morning and was like, I'm just going to wear this today. Super cash. Loved it. And different, I felt. Yeah. Like it really stood out to me. Yeah. The evolution of the Coachella fits from the Kendall Jenners and the Hailey Beavers of the world. I bet they weren't happy about those 2016s that's been thrown around, because they look very different. But also really nice to see that you can try really hard and then eventually full circle come out and just be really chill out.

30:32Wear really chill outfits. But I don't mind people trying hard and leading into the method dressing when it comes to Coachella. Yeah. Have a bit of fun with it. Have some creativity. Do what you want. Wear 10 belts if you want to. Yeah. I'd say festival dressing in general, that is a space where people can do that. And whether you're going to a Buschdorf or you're going to Coachella, Everyone really leans into the looks and really leans into, you know, what the vibe is depending on where you're going. To put another one in, Madeline White, I would say. Oh, I love Madeline White. She's so sweet.

31:03I know. And, like, she makes her outfits every year. This year she made, like, the whole Zara Larsson belt. And she's pregnant. Like, good on her. Yeah. I also really liked a quiet style. She did the classic just old vintage Levi jeans and did the bedazzled sort of top. And it was like quite basic and a few people were like, oh, is that it? And I was like, I like it. I still think it looks really good. And yeah, it's like you were comfy as well. Yeah. She was like doing a dance proof like thing in her get ready with me. And I was like, if you can dance in it, then you're good to go. I love that Madeline White as well does her own glam too.

31:38Because she very easily could have, you know, a hair and makeup team come and do that for her. And she's like, no, I enjoy this process. I'm doing it myself. Love it. Love it. Next, we're going to be talking about Anna Wintour and Meryl Streets' Vogue cover, which is more than just a cover, but that will be right after a word from today's sponsor. When you're grabbing drinks from Dan Murphy's, do you go for the same beer or wine every time, or do you like to mix it up? I dare say many of us reach for our go-to favorites, simply because we don't know what else to choose. But our friends at Dan Murphy's are here to help in our time of need.

32:07They are the experts when it comes to what's new and what's trending in drinks. All you have to do is chat to someone in store or browse their app for inspiration. Always remember to choose to drink wise and thank you so much to Dan Murphy for making this episode of Stylish possible. Okay, so last week I was sitting in bed and I opened up my phone right before I was going to sleep. Naughty, I know, but I opened it up. There was a post up right at the top of my feed and it was 48 minutes before and it was Meryl Streep and Anna Wintour on the cover of Vogue US and I have never screenshot something quicker and posted it to Stylish quicker.

32:41And that is why you were the head of social It was a shameless medium. Working overtime. I was like, oh, my God, I better get this up right now. And she's recalled this story so she can put it on a timesheet for overtime. Yeah, definitely. I'll see that in the Time and Lou doc. Don't worry about that. And rightfully so. You've got to be quick. Yeah. It didn't take that long. I didn't come up with anything radical about it. At least put an hour down. Yeah. Pretty much everyone posted about this cover. It was every second IG story for me as well. And it absolutely blew up on social media. It had 1.2 million likes and 10 ,000 comments.

33:16And as someone who is head of social, hard to get. I'd love to do a comparison with the other announcements on the magazines and how that's performed. I think it'd be pretty high up. Yeah, okay. I want to have a little look, a little side by side. The cover was, of course, promoting the upcoming Devil Wears Prada 2 movie, which has been everywhere for which seems like years. I feel like I saw the first trailer so long ago. but it's finally coming out. It stars the famous Meryl Streep as Miranda Priestly, the editor-in-chief of fictional magazine Runway, which is a character reportedly inspired by Anna Wintour herself.

33:52The reason this cover caused such a splash on social and everywhere is because this is the first time Anna has been the subject of a Vogue cover and it's also coming at odds with the announcement last year that she was stepping back as editor-in-chief of Vogue. When the last movie came out, I would say that she really, she went to the premiere, but she really wasn't associated with it at all, even though it was a character based off her and off a memoir from one of her previous assistants. But she was pretty tight-lipped. Whenever she was asked a question about it, she kind of just like said it was a character.

34:27She didn't want to talk about it too much. They didn't lean into the marketing of the movie. Or if anything, they distanced themselves. I agree. So they tried to deny it. It was like they're trying to rewrite the narrative. I was like, I feel like it was pretty icy at the time. And I think what we've seen now is a full 180. Full 180. Yeah. I want to ask the question. They haven't specifically said anywhere, and I Googled multiple terms to see if I could find a specific, explicit, like, statement. They haven't actually said that Vogue are working in a paid capacity or sponsored capacity with Disney or The Devil Wears Prada 2.

35:01But there is a lot of publicity going on at Vogue for this movie release. Well, interestingly, Chloe actually referenced in her letter to the editor that they wanted to have some fun with this as well. They wanted to really ride the wave and didn't want Disney to have all the fun. I will say this is probably a really good time to say that we are also part of the Disney Plus to promote the release of The Devil Wears Prada 2. This segment is entirely non-sponsored. We are mostly having a conversation about the Vogue feature itself. We would disclose. We would disclose and we have disclosed that we are working with Disney Plus.

35:35but I actually thought the same thing, Jo. They would have to if it was in some way endorsed. No, they would have to. They would have to. They would have to. I think they're just leveraging the machine and they're like, you know what, let's make hay while the sun shines. Okay, so you think Vogue have seen this as an opportunity to boost readership and engagement. They're like, this is going to be big, fuck it, let's just lean in. I think they're in cahoots in the sense of it being an earned media exchange but by no means do I think this is a paid partnership because if it was, they would have to disclose that.

36:03That's what I thought. I'm like, surely this is illegal. yeah it is which is why I'm like it has to be entirely earned and them just strategizing around it and they have they've done a really good job at hijacking a lot of these moments yeah well let me kind of reiterate what they've done so far so Wintour appeared at the Academy Awards to promote it with Anne Hathaway they did a little like you know thing on stage they're like funny little exchange then there were two podcast episodes about the film on Vogue's the run-through podcast and the Vogue Book Club is currently reading The Devil Wears Prada.

36:38Yeah. And they're doing like a screening as well. Yeah. It's such an amazing multi-pronged. Like I was like this person or like the team has been like content, content, content, content, content. Can you see why I thought it was a sponsored partnership? I can totally see why you thought that and I literally thought the same thing but they would have to disclose it. Also Chloe Miles said in her editor's letter which was part of this issue that she brought the idea of doing the cover to Anna and Anna was like, not my style. I won't be doing that actually. And then Meryl Streep ended up being the one that convinced her.

37:12I love this part so much because she says that she's in the back seat of Anna's town car in Paris on their way to a Balenciaga preview. Does that not sound exactly like the movie? Yeah. That happened. That happened. I think they were on their way to Dior, but yeah. Similar. This does feel like a really strong attempt for Anna to reclaim her personal brand. It's always been about Vogue and she's always been an extension of Vogue. But now with the change in her position, it does feel like she's trying to establish who Anna is outside of the four walls of Vogue. And that's why she's making this real conscious effort to physically, one, show up on the cover, because what that reflects is a real strong sense of power and control.

37:55Yep. We know that she's not the one who's in charge technically now, but I think that image physically reinforces her position of power, but also the constant appearance in these pop culture moments feels really deliberate. I think it's been a strategic way to approach her personal brand. I saw an Instagram post by Bed Media that said, Anna's move to own your own narrative before someone else does is a valuable lesson in brand strategy. Clearly, like she's avoided the public spotlight and talking to media outlets and things before. Like she hasn't really given you any insight into who she is as a person before this.

38:30Jo, this feeds so well into one of the quotes that I actually pulled from Amy O'Dell, the author of Anna Wintour's biography. She actually suggested this approach gives Anna a lot of control to really define what her legacy is. In her back row newsletter, O'Dell writes, Anna is a visual editor above all else, a brilliant one who understands that these images and viral moments have the effect of washing the other stuff away. She then went on and drew parallels between past covers that have been monumental moments for the stars that have featured on them that Anna was spearheading. One example she gave was the way Hillary Clinton's 1998 bow cover served as a corrective around the time of her husband's scandal.

39:11And more recently, the way that Kim Kardashian and Kanye West cover in 2014 made audiences forget about Kim's tackiness, anointing her to great personal profit as a fashion person. So, you know, this isn't Anna's first rodeo when it comes to setting the narrative, setting the tone about how she wants to be perceived. This feels really deliberate. I do love that she called Meryl and said, is it good? Like she, that she like double checked that Double Wear's Prada was actually going to be, there wasn't anything scary in it. Yeah, yeah. It was worth her time. Yeah. Vogue also released a podcast interviewing Anna's former assistants.

39:50Anna's Angels. Yes, which was hosted by Chloe Marle and she interviewed Anna's Angels or, you know, three former assistants that had worked very closely with Anna. I thought that episode was a lot more honest than I was expecting it to be. They were quite upfront and provided a lot of detail about what it was like to work for Anna. It really scratched an itch for me. All of that, all those assumptions you just made over the years just being addressed. I loved that episode. One part of it, they actually said that they did have this unspoken uniform at Vogue. so if you worked for Anna specifically and they had they coined this term on the podcast where it was if you were in Anna's office you weren't allowed to wear jeans and sneakers yes they did have these unspoken rules that if you didn't you know follow you're probably on the out and being notified about her car arriving so that you could be prepared for arrival into the office as well which was something that was reflected a bit in the movie they were like the panic wasn't quite the way that it was shown in the movie but you were notified and you would act accordingly yeah I did also quite like that everyone that they had on still worked at Vogue, like that they had like a career trajectory there and they were all in quite senior roles now.

41:00So that element of the movie where they kept saying, you know, you just do this for two years and it's going to be the hardest two years of your life, but you're going to have an amazing job afterwards and all these opportunities. I guess that part of it was correct. I think like many things with this execution, it's very strategic. Yeah. That would have been deliberate. Yeah, for sure. think they would have featured anyone who one didn't have nice things to say about Vogue or Anna herself to work for the company. The tenure point, I did clock that as well. Yeah. I think it did great things for the human resources.

41:32How much control do we think that Anna still has over the direction of Vogue these days? A lot. Yeah. I don't think her power has been relinquished at all. If anything, I think it's stronger. And again, Chloe's letter to the editor and the timing of this and how much she really referred to Anna in that saying, you know, I turned to her in the back of the car. What do you think of this? She's still going to her for that constant reassurance. I think that was very deliberate. It feels like it's forming part of the narrative. I do think that there's collaborative conversations happening between Anna.

42:03Who does the buck stop with though? Well, yeah, that's the thing. I think that Chloe's coming to her with really great ideas and trying to innovate and trying to take a little bit of a different approach. But at the end of the day, it does seem like, you know, Anna's still her boss at the end of the day. And she has a wealth of experience, you know, and she's obviously leading by example. And Chloe's probably soaking all of this up. Why would you not turn to Anna Winslow? Exactly. I was about to say, why wouldn't you lean on her expertise and learn as much as you can from her? She's just been in that role for decades.

42:31As much as the buck stops with Anna, in my opinion, because it wouldn't have happened if you didn't say yes. But this to me does feel like this has Chloe's stamp all over it and this like new direction and age for Vogue and I think that you kind of see that where it's like it's not just about the magazine there's so many other supporting elements in that like the sourcing of the secondhand books for the book club the book club being able to see the movie first like you know the the fact that there was a podcast episode that supported it straight after the article came out there was such a multi-channel approach which to me seems like a Chloe touch but the overall like branding piece has come from Miranda.

43:13So Miranda has come from Anna and I think those two elements have moulded very nicely together. And I think Chloe's been very smart in thinking about what is the face of Vogue and not wasting that, you know? Yeah, you're bang on, Naima. That's such a good point. They're working harder together and it feels like they've got a really, really good synergy. I do want to make the call out in Chloe's editor's letter as well. She did acknowledge that Annie Leibovitz, who photographed Anna and Meryl, all of them is age 76 and all of them have had a longstanding relationship with Vogue. So there was this nice sentiment and almost like acknowledgement of the old guard as well, which I thought was very deliberate and thoughtful.

43:53The Guardian also reported that an Ancestry report said that Meryl and Anna are actually sixth cousins. Really? Yeah. I thought that was the most random fact, but what are the chances? What are the chances of that? Like that's pretty far removed to be sixth cousins, but still in the whole world. In the whole world. And like Anna's British. Yeah, she is too. Oh my God, I didn't know that. Vogue's been widely criticised in recent years for disappointing covers and just content falling flat in general. Do we think that this partnership, I guess we could call it, I don't think there's any monetary exchange based on this conversation.

44:33Do we think that this Devil Wears Prada 2 partnership in some way is breathing new life into US Vogue? I think beyond the partnership or not being a partnership with the Devil Wears Prada 2, it's actually the timing of all of this for me that's really interesting. We're about to go into the Met Gala, which is arguably Vogue's biggest moment in the calendar a year. I think all of this playing out prior to that, it's building momentum for them to really transcend into this new world of media. And I think Chloe, to your point, Naima is spearheading a lot of that. And it's a really nice handing over of the baton, it feels.

45:14It's like ending everything on a bang and then handing it over in a way where it feels like Chloe's taking it into that new world. Anna's not going anywhere. She's still part of the conversation and obviously still you know influencing a lot of things behind the scenes but yeah it beyond the film itself it feels like it's the right moment for them to be doing that because this time of year is the most relevant Vogue are. Yeah I think it makes me really excited for the Met Gala because it's like this is such a beautiful lead up straight into it I'm very interested in seeing if it's going to look differently this year because notoriously it is Anna's baby so what's going to be the rollout that's different with Chloe at the helm?

45:53And is Anna still in charge of the guest list? I think so, yes. Well, that is all for this week's episode of Stylish. Thank you so much for joining us. And of course, thank you very much to Rihanna Joyce and Naima Fatima for joining us. Thank you, Jo. And remember, you can drop us an email at any time at style-ish at shamelessmedia.com.au or you can slide into our DMs over at StylishPod. We're always happy to hear from you. And we can't forget to thank the Shameless Media team, head of podcast Lucy Hunt and senior podcast producer Kate Emma Burke. You'll hear the final instalment of our wedding series this Friday.

46:25with myself three. I know. And Mads will be back with us next Wednesday. So we'll see you then. Looking forward to it. See you guys. Bye.

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