The wedding series: The details that actually mattered on our wedding days

0:22Welcome to the wedding series by Stylish, a three-part series all about, well guys, it's pretty obvious, wedding culture. I'm Rhiannon Joyce. And I'm Jo Fleming. And today we have a very, very special guest for our episode. Someone who actually got married in 2024, has a lot of great learnings to share, and someone who I actually sit next to in the office. Introducing Cindy Liu, Shameless Media's Senior Partnership Manager. Welcome, Cindy. Hi, I'm so excited to be here. She's already had a little test and learn in the office yesterday, so I put her through the ringer. So you're feeling good? Yeah, I'm feeling good.

0:58I'm really excited. Very good. Very good. So we are back. This is our second wedding series. Much anticipated. Much anticipated. Also, so I was surprised. So many DMs. And I know we say that a lot, but genuinely so many DMs. Did you get a few? Yeah, heaps. Heaps of people were begging for another wedding series. Do you think post your wedding as well? Did you see a surge? I mean, yes. Post wedding, that was quite a long time ago. almost like eight or nine months now but when we were doing a few little teasers recently I think the girls put a question box up and I I'm not supposed to be in the stylish dms but sometimes and I saw a few people reply being like oh my god please bring the wedding series back so we have it's back and we're very excited because it makes the most sense we are both married now Cindy as I said you got married in 2024 so we wanted to kick off our first episode to share our biggest learnings post-wedding.

1:56And the best way to figure out what you want from your wedding is to speak or listen to the ones that have already been there, done that. So that's why we're here again today. Maybe we need to make this a permanent thing. Every year we just come back. Even though we've only been married once and hopefully we'll just keep coming back. Do you know what though? It does, hasn't even been a full year for me, but as the months have gone by and Sydney, I'll be interested to hear what you think about this. You start to remember more and more things. I'm the opposite. Oh, really? Yeah, I barely remember it.

2:24Maybe because it's so fresh. You're just like, it's... I think I've just got a really bad memory. Okay. We'll get into that. Okay, we'll get into that. We're jumping ahead. So, Cindy, to start us off, can you paint us a picture for our listeners? I actually don't know a lot about your wedding day. I know Ray knows all of the detail, especially because I just found out before we started this recording that you both got married in the same place. We did. Before you knew each other. Yeah, before we knew each other. So I got married in November 2024. When did you get married? It was last year. Last year, May 2025.

2:55Yeah. Yeah. So close. So November, a couple of years ago now, it was springtime. It was in Byron Bay. So really lucky to have kind of a destination wedding and have, I think we had about 100 guests there. We always knew that we wanted to get married like in a destination kind of and bring our guests to a place that we always loved. So yeah, we visited Byron a few times now. I actually had this venue on my Pinterest for years. and I actually booked it without seeing it because I did the same thing. Did you? Yeah. I think this is actually more common than what we think. Yeah. So it was kind of like a beautiful chateau.

3:33It was really French kind of Tuscan vibes. It was a private property and I loved how it had different sections of the house to have like, you know, your cocktail hour and then your ceremony. We had it like underneath the vines and then we had our marquee. We really took like full use of the venue. but yeah it was it felt like a little while ago now so I'm really happy to be here and talk about it again. Yeah get to recap it again I think Zara felt the same way in the last series she was like yeah I get to talk about my wedding again. Yeah yeah what I really wanted out of the whole weekend was just to make it feel like a holiday for all of our guests because we knew it's a huge ask to have like you know your friends and family travel and stay you know it's a big financial decision so we just wanted to host everyone the whole weekend and we had a few optional events pre post as well.

4:22So I need to ask about the weather because I know that Rhi had rain on her wedding day, which we're going to get into. What was your weather like, given that it was the same venue, but different times of year? It actually did rain as well. When we were in Byron, we got ready in Byron and then it was about a 40 minute bus ride to the venue. And on the way there, I cannot even tell you the rain on like the car windscreen wiper, like you could not see the roads yeah it was crazy but then I don't know it just cleared up like so northern New South Wales Queensland I grew up on the Gold Coast and that you know everyone jokes Melbourne like four seasons in a day the Gold Coast and northern New South Wales exactly the same yeah at the humidity though yeah not good so yeah it did rain a little bit for our ceremony but I feel like it was kind of really romantic it was kind of we were lucky it wasn't bucketing was it outside yeah it was outside we were lucky it wasn't bucketing it kind of was kind of like trickling down we had like umbrellas and it's a nice moody vibe there yeah yeah it feels like really romantic it does yeah i do want to tell a little bit of a story when i interviewed cindy for the position in the partnerships team we'd already followed each other on instagram cindy had attended our shameless media upfronts i think earlier in that year yeah so i'd already seen a lot of cindy's photos from her wedding and she looked absolutely incredible like so ethereal so beautiful and the venue that cindy was talking about i had had on my pinterest board i believe you i think it's the same photo it was the same photo that we both were like oh my god this is our wedding venue yeah so i remember when i interviewed cindy i was like do i bring it up this is awkward i've already booked the same venue i've seen all the photos we actually have a lot of the same suppliers it's quite weird she's gonna think i copied her so let's go to the end of the interview and by this point let's be honest I knew that Cindy was getting the job so I was like so just so you know I'm getting married at the same wedding venue and then it was really nice it's kind of I broke the ice and then we had this really beautiful chat and then you shared so much about your wedding but yeah yeah it's a gorgeous spot yeah so lucky I love it it was so lovely it actually graced the pages of Vogue this is something that I think a lot of girlies are curious about a lot of people don't really understand like how this process works and to be honest I feel a lot of people think that the pages of Vogue are reserved for people who have a profile and it feels like right now the wedding industry and the wedding section of this really prolific magazine is blowing up but at the time Cindy not saying you don't have a profile no I don't I literally don't I have like a thousand followers on Instagram you are a real bride and I think it's really rare to see real brides featured in such a prolific publication can you tell us about that process yeah i never like i think like you re i just i didn't think that they featured like real brides i thought it was more for like celebrities and influencers and it came out of nowhere i remember we had like received our photos we were still in byron bay we had like about i think we got the teaser album so when you get a teaser album what they do is they drop 30 to maybe 50 photos that they think are the best and then you get to pick those and then yeah whack them up on instagram yes we had that while we were still in Byron Bay I think it was within the week so we're really lucky to get all of these photos back and I remember we're staying at this like sun ranch place in Byron which was kind of like very western themed so I just I just had this like memory in my head and we're looking through the photos and then I got this message from our photographer because we had the same photographer as well.

7:53There's going to be a lot of this in the episode. We have a lot of the same suppliers because in Byron Bay, they're very particular about who they work with. And also there's a limited number of really good suppliers. And Joey, who was your photographer and our photographer. Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. He was amazing. He like just went above and beyond and you can really tell in the photos. Did you have to hold off posting your content? Because I know that is a caveat that Vogue won't let you post until they've posted. Yeah, that you do. And you don't you can't post like anything I was told like you know you should untag your photos or just hide them from your profile I did post our like video from the day that was like a little snippet it was like a 60 second because I felt like I just got married you know I want to celebrate it um and I think that was okay I mean it was okay in the end but yeah it does take a little while for them to approve and then once they've kind of given you the green light they send through a bit of a questionnaire and then you fill that through and then that's what makes the basis of your article and then yeah they say it's published and you get a link and all the photos are kind of like on the page and I look at it all the time honestly.

8:59We were in the office the other day crowded around Cindy's computer when she finally agreed to do this episode. It's convincing from my end but it's it is honestly this beautiful piece that you can constantly come back to all the girls are oohing and ah-ing or just sitting there going, oh, so beautiful. And it will be so nice. I don't know if this is like weirdly sentimental for me. But like you can show your kids that. It's really sweet. I think so too. It's just, yeah, it's really nice to have that kind of like place in time, I think. Elevator pitch. I want to hear about the day, about the venue.

9:32I want to hear everything because you're the most recent bride as well. Yeah, I've got a shocking memory. Like I'm known to have a really bad memory. So there's a key detail of the day that was very important to me because it's something I wasn't going to have and ended up having. And I'm so glad that I did. So I got married on the 29th of November last year in 2025. So a few months ago now, I got married about two hours out of Melbourne. So in an old heritage building, they've got a wedding venue there and most of it is outdoors. There is an indoor option. What is wrong with us? Beautiful. We just love the risk.

10:10At least you guys were in northern New South Wales. I really took a risk doing Victoria. Yeah, look, that's true. In November as well. So hot and cold. Yeah, it was a little bit of a risk, but I actually didn't think about that at the time when I booked it because I booked it in January. And so I'm thinking the weather's really good. It didn't really cross my mind until about four weeks before the wedding. And then I was like, oh, wow. I was actually really chill about the entire process, which is so out of character for me. It's not even funny. Like I was very relaxed about this whole process because I'm just not really a wedding person, which I said in our last podcast is just not really for me.

10:45The whole thing, I was just kind of like, okay, yeah, cool. Yeah, I guess we'll do that. Yeah. So were you on the weather app four weeks out trying to do that long forecast you were? I was on AccuWeather every day. Yeah, 100%. And the venue started setting up before the last shower had passed. So they put the tablecloths on and then there was like a shower and I was like, oh no. and the venue like manager was running around being like, I don't have any more tablecloths. And I was like, oh, that is not what I need here while I'm getting my hair done. So you got ready on the same location. So we stayed at the venue.

11:18Okay. So you could see everything. Yeah, I could see everything. Yeah, that would stress me out. That's nice though. I kind of wish I saw everything get like set up. It was kind of good and bad because like if it was a beautiful day, I would be like, oh, yay. Yeah, that's true. Because it was drizzling, I would be like, and would you describe yourself as type A? Yes, 100%. You seem so chill, like so chill leading up to it. I was leading up to it, but the day of I started to get really anxious. Like as things started to happen, that's when my anxiety started to increase a bit. I was pretty relaxed.

11:48However, the night before, because of the torrential rain, and it had been a really humid day the day before, Adrian started getting asthma. Oh no. I just had his car detailed. And so I'd taken out his asthma puffer. So we didn't have an asthma puffer. So the night before we barely slept, like barely a wink. I reckon I probably had two hours sleep and I got in my head and I was like, oh my God, I'm starting to feel sick. Oh no. Faking the night before. And then I woke up and I was like, oh, this is not a good start to the day. So was it just the two of you staying at the venue or because you famously did not have bridesmaids?

12:24Yes. So we stayed together at the venue and then there was enough rooms for both our immediate families to stay there. So one of my brothers stayed offsite with his family, but my other brother stayed there. My parents, Adrian's parents and brothers and one of his brother's partners. So it was really nice that everyone was in the venue. That's another reason why I felt like I didn't really need to have a bridal party because of our venue. And we knew that everyone was going to be staying with us. So I was kind of like, I've already got people around. I'm an extroverted introvert. I just wanted to get ready and just be able to like have some peace.

12:55I didn't want to have to be managing people and worrying about who is doing what. Who's up next for hair and makeup and all of those things that it becomes a bit of a routine in the morning. Yeah. I really want to know what was the highlight of your wedding day? Oh, highlight of my wedding day. I mean, seeing all of our family and friends there, it's really nice. Like you kind of look back on it and you're just like, wow, everyone was there to kind of celebrate us. And then the whole day was just like so much fun. So what did you do entertainment wise? So we had a live musician for the ceremony and I actually don't recall hearing that at all.

13:31I feel like my senses shut down, which I spoke about stylish afterwards. I was just in such an anxious state. My mouth was so dry, even though I'd had water before I walked down the aisle. It's overwhelming. Yeah, I just was completely, it was an out of body experience, but it was just like, wow, this is the most overwhelming moment of my life. So I actually don't remember a lot musician and then we had a dj for our reception which was all outdoors and there was an indoor option for us which is where this like weather component comes in and it dawned on me that it may rain and the venue may suggest we move everything inside and like that is not going to give off the same vibes that i wanted it to it's like you don't want it to happen so you don't think about it yeah exactly no i literally was like nobody talk about it everyone just i also find it so funny when people like it's fine don't worry about it honestly i do care sorry i do I do care if it gets rained out or if it isn't exactly what I thought it would be.

14:24It's not the sole reason why you show up in there. Obviously, the love in the room, your partner, everything. All those things you said are what make the day so special. But I'm sorry. I feel like you're bullshitting if you're saying you don't care. Yeah. I would have cared for sure. So that leads us into your elevator pitch, Rhi, of your wedding. I did get married in Byron Bay. Cindy and I did get married at the same venue. It's about 40 minutes outside of Byron, as you said, Cindy. I just always loved Byron I did grow up on the Gold Coast I used to go down there quite a bit during school weekends it was always a place that I felt very connected to interestingly though Lou and I had no real reason to like get married in Byron Bay I feel I don't know if you felt this Cindy but when you decide to have a destination wedding people always the first thing they ask is what is the connection yeah people would ask me that about Yoroa I'm like oh my gosh I liked the venue but yeah we didn't have a legitimate reason to you know get married there don't don't you worry I did throw out that I'm from the Gold Coast very close very easy for all my friends and family to you know come from Sydney come from Queensland so I did you know embellish a little just to justify that literally we started having the conversation about where we wanted to get married before Lou proposed and Byron came up quite a bit and then I snuck in I was like well there's this one venue that I've known about for five years and I've been patiently waiting and we had a lot of people traveling from overseas as well so a lot of family coming from the US and from Scotland funny enough I feel like they were more inclined to come to the wedding because we got married in Byron than if we got married in Melbourne.

16:07Exactly. So we did our bridal party lunch at Ray's on the Friday. So Ray's is this beautiful venue on Watergoes Beach. It did rain all day, but it didn't matter because Lou and I always talk about the moment that was, honestly, we looked around and we were like, holy shit, we have, I'm going to cry. This was really our character. I don't know what to do. I know it's so overwhelming because we had so many people travel. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, like some of my family members hadn't been to Australia for like 12 years. Looking around that room and having a very intimate moment with all of them, so special.

16:44But also I feel leading into the weekend meant that we could be really present with everyone else as well, because we had about 50 people at that lunch. It was, went for like a couple hours, is a real move around the room sort of set up. So then I found on the actual wedding day, I was like, okay, I feel like I've seen a lot of people and then I can also go and be present and see a lot of other people who I hadn't really had the opportunity to connect with or you know spend time with and the thing is a lot of people say it can go in a flash and it can feel like things just move so quickly on your wedding day and you're like oh my god I feel how did this all just kind of end yeah I didn't really feel that and I I think it's because of the lunch before yeah it made the day feel really slow and it made the day feel really intimate I honestly spent a decent amount of time with everyone I don't know about Lou we didn't really move through the room together the whole time we did break away quite a bit uh but then we really made sure that we had time together throughout we would have like these little pocket moments i don't know if you guys did this where i'll be like let's just go and escape for a bit yeah and then spend a bit of time like what do you think what's this what's all going on so that was really cute throughout the night but i remember the ceremony it was i was just smiling so much and everyone always says soft smile gentle smile for photos absolutely not you could not go through my wedding album and see a photo of me without looking like I'm absolutely cackling.

18:03Yeah. Like full cackling witch. Yeah. And that makes me really happy because I think it's a true reflection on how I felt on the day. I looked around and similar to you, Jo, seeing everyone that you love in one place is just so exciting. Yeah. And before my vows, I remember just like waving to people and like smiling and our celebrant was like, but I just loved, I just loved everyone in the room, the fact that we did have so many people from, you know, not just Melbourne, Sydney, travel and visit from overseas. It was just so special. Cliche, but definitely one of the best days of my life. Yeah.

18:36And how many guests did you have? We had 130. Okay. And you had about 100. Yeah. And I had 110. Yeah. Our original list was 160. We knew a lot of people couldn't come because of traveling. And also what you have to factor in is people having babies at that time. It's very difficult for them to travel. So there were already probably 15 or 20 people who we knew couldn't come. I was really angling for 120 max. And then Lou and I kind of just met in the middle. So I was pretty happy with where it ended up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of venues have a cap on how many guests you can have. Like it's not very common to come across a venue that can have 250 guests.

19:12Like if you have a huge guest list and you've got a massive family, it is kind of hard to find a venue that can accommodate everybody. All right. Now that we've done the elevator pitches and you've heard all about our weddings. God, someone get me a tissue. There's still more. Next, we'll get into the parts of our weddings. We're glad we spent time and money on and why, but that'll be right after a word from today's sponsor. If you're engaged, you can probably relate to the fact that wedding planning is quite literally a full-time job. A very fun full-time job, but still a full-time job. There's the venue, the guest list, the dress, and then of course, there's the skin prep right at the top of the priority list.

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21:03Cindy, do you want to go first? Yeah. I think the first one that comes to mind is buying a dress secondhand. great idea so I that really allowed me to go and afford a second gown as well so I tried on a few dresses in store first so I went to bloom in Brisbane because I had a selection of gowns that I really wanted to try on and then yeah I dug through the archives I mean Rae you'll know this I'm like the depop queen honestly I've never seen anyone work the depop and the secondhand websites like i didn't know this about you she's unreal yeah unreal i like expensive stuff but i don't want to pay full price that's the best way to do it good for you yeah um yeah so i found my dress she'd obviously only worn it once and it was like in immaculate condition it was actually really weird having it shipped and then just sit in the closet for like six months as well so strange did you need to get alterations done not too many i had i think just like my bus just needed to be taken in.

22:04I took straps off. She had like, yeah, she had obviously wore that dress and she had spaghetti straps, but I wanted something that was strapless. So very minor. That really allowed me to buy a second dress as well. So yeah, that's definitely one thing that I am really glad that I did for sure. Did you do different styles for your first and second look? Yeah. So the first look was, it was like a very textured gown and I really liked kind of like a straight, I tried on heaps of dresses and I didn't realize how important the neckline was. It wasn't like the first thing that I picked out from dresses and then when you put it on because I've got like no bust a straight neckline really worked for me and then I wanted something that I could really move in afterwards as well so I had this like high neck low back silk dress.

22:52That was my criteria as well I wanted to get the fuck out of the corset and it's just something that I could breathe in. Something Slinky and sexy that you could rip the day floor up. Yeah. That dress is like ruined as well. Cause I think I just had so much fun. Well, that's, yeah, that's a good thing. Won't be going on still white though. No, it won't be. It actually won't be. Rhi, what about you? Favorite thing I spent money on? Definitely photography. Because we had the welcome lunch the day before Louis and I actually forfeited the budget for a videographer. We were very, and we spoke about this in the first wedding series.

23:24We were adamant that we didn't want a videographer. We really wanted to make sure that we had more film photos and more images from the whole weekend, not just the wedding day. So we worked with Joey Willis and his lovely partner, Nat, on shooting the welcome lunch and then shooting our wedding day. And we paid for extra film. And I'm so glad we did because I could not be happier. Film imagery is 100 % worth the investment. It's just so beautiful. And I love that nostalgic look and feel. and I know we live in a modern, very tech heavy society, but there is something about the one shot that film captures.

23:57Don't get me wrong, some absolute duds in there. The ones that are gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone looks so much better on film too. So much better. It's like the flash, the lights. Oh no, I just, that was the one thing that I'm absolutely so glad that we spent money on. Yeah. I actually have the exact same answer as you. I invested a lot of our budget in the content and not that it's about the content, but I wanted to have that to look back on. Cause as I've said three times now, I've got a really bad memory. So I booked our photographer and videographer quite early on in the process. We had Mervé Togan and Soma Films and they were like my number one.

24:36I was like, I have to have this photographer and this videographer. And then as we got closer to the day, a lot of people were talking about content creators. And I was like, oh, I don't really think I need it. I do have a videographer. Like maybe it's just like kind of an unnecessary thing. And then about maybe three weeks before I was like, nah, I'm going to do it. I'm just going to get the content creator. So I had by May content, come and film our content for the day. And I am so glad I ended up doing that because I have all of these little snippets of the day, all of the behind the scenes.

25:07I look back on these videos all the time because there's so much that I don't recall from the day or I wasn't even there when that was happening. So she's gone around during cocktail hour. We weren't part of our cocktail hour at all because we were getting our portraits done at that time. So our guests all enjoyed that, but I didn't even get to see like what was being served and what people were doing. And so having all of that behind the scenes is so cool. It was so worth it for us as well, having a content creator. I also prefer a lot of lo-fi content, which is why we didn't get a videographer because it does feel a bit too glossy and too curated for me.

25:39I know the videographer that you use though and they are excellent yeah I've seen a lot of the stuff on Instagram amazing yeah but for us it didn't feel right but our content creator was so good and captured so many gorgeous little intimate moments there's this photo of one of my best friends Georgia and I sitting at the table and we're just holding hands oh that's so nice and she captured it behind us and like I had no idea and it is one of my favorite photos of all time and I felt like if we didn't have someone like that who was kind of moving through the room silently capturing all of those lo-fi behind the scenes intimate moments very candid yeah and you know when you see candid photos you're like that is staged and i'm guilty 100 but there were none of those it was pure candidness in the moment so 100 worth the investment and generally i want to be self-aware about this it is still expensive to have a content creator yeah but if you're someone like me who doesn't want to work with a videographer which can cost you know upwards of some videographers are like very expensive like it's got more expensive and they're getting more and more expensive it can range anywhere between$1 ,000 to$3 ,000 to have a content creator they're shooting and the number of files that you get it is endless like I've got all these different folders of like reception ceremony like when you're getting your portraits taken but also their personalities were really important to the day too and I needed to feel like we were gonna get along on the day and that they were going to be a calming presence which they all were because they're so close to you for the whole day you've got to make sure that you're really like aligning with them such a great point joe i feel if you had one person that was off in that environment i don't know if you would have felt this as well cindy you would be like your energy is like yes not it instantly because you're so sensitive on the day i think you instantly pick up pick up when someone is just off and they have to work together as a team like you see them kind of move through the room together weaving in and Yeah.

27:28And none of my, like my videographer and photographer and content creator, none of them had met. Oh, really? Yeah. And so they all just worked so seamlessly together. They got along immediately and it was just, yeah, it was perfect. My videographer and photographer, and I think also caterer randomly, cause it is so small in Byron. They'd had the same wedding like last week, the weekend before. So they actually got to like, like know each other, speak about the wedding, what was upcoming. So I feel like that really added to like the calmness of the day. Cause It was just so calm. And you probably got married just before like the boom of wedding content creators.

28:03Is that something you wish you could have had or you kind of like that? I do. I do and I don't because I also was able to gather so many videos and photos that my girlfriends took and everyone else. Like I've got this huge shared album and I've also like separated out into like I categorized it all. So I look back. I like this girl. I know. So I feel like that really kind of did fill that gap. But if I was to do it again, I probably would. Yeah. Because it's just so special having little snippets here and there.

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29:12All right, I'm very keen to get into a bit of a quickfire round. You guys know our audience love a recommendation. And between us, I know we'll have a few that are worthwhile. So let's dive in. My first question is, who were the go-to wedding content creators or pages that you went to for a source of inspiration? Mine were The Bridal Journey and The Wed. Both of those, I would say, are tier one. You need to be following those pages. Yeah, for sure. Mine was probably at the time Georgia Fowler. She'd just gotten married. Yes. Yeah, so I took like inspiration from her dress because mine was kind of similar and she had the neck scarf as well.

29:50and then really randomly but she had this beautiful marquee setup which is similar to what we did in the end the lighting in her marquee yeah I knew I just didn't want any fairy lights I wanted to feel like a bit of a like production kind of style and she had this like beautiful like purple and pink kind of like rotating light I feel like that added to like the vibe and then I also looking back at my Pinterest boards for like lots of styling and stationery I was actually looking at lots of brand activations. So yeah, I looked back at like photos and I saw that I had this screenshot from randomly a Harris Tapper lunch.

30:27Yeah. And the way that they set up their tables, she had like this beautiful silver tray with figs on it. And it was kind of similar to what I ended up doing, but I feel like lots of brands do invitations really well. Really well. Yeah. Really, really cool. In terms of creators, I'm glad you called that out, Cindy, because there were a few people and I didn't have this in my notes. Now that you've said that, it's front of mind. Bettina Looney, do you know her? No. She is based in the UK. She got married maybe three or four years ago. I feel like the wedding boom we've seen on social media has happened in the last 18 months to two years.

30:59It's always been there, but it feels like right now it's on absolute steroids. She got married before then and I remember seeing her wedding in Vogue. Also, it was featured a lot on The Bridal Journey and she had the most stunning wedding. I took a lot of inspiration from her wedding. I just find her general personal style amazing. And also what I recommend doing is looking at the wedding venue page that you're getting married at because again in Byron and I know we keep repeating this but it's it's actually really hard when there are a limited number of suppliers that you can work with and they're very particular about it because they really want to support local businesses within the area.