Dr. Dan Reardon: Why Doctors Are Finally Speaking Out About GLP-1 Drugs

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2:15Darin Olien:Dan Reardon. Dan and I have known each other for over a decade, and he is exactly the kind of brilliant physician who challenges the status quo. In fact, our very first conversation blew my mind by completely flipping the script on protein consumption. I finally met someone who understood. Also about muscle breakdown and how the body recycles amino acids that no one's talking about. In this episode, we tackle the massive cultural and medical shift around GPL1, weight loss injections like Monjaro, semi-glutide. Dan breaks down the alarming red flags behind these so-called magic bullets, discussing the lack of transparency regarding severe side effects, including pancreatitis, gallbladder disease, and future bone density loss, along with the dangerous trends of the yo-yo injecting for social events.

3:23Darin Olien:We explore how society seemingly abandoned the body positivity movement overnight in favor of an artificial fix rather than addressing the root causes of our health crisis through real, unsubsidized food and basic movement. We also dive into Dan's revolutionary clinical practice, where he's currently focused on an incredibly powerful mission, deprescribing medications. You heard that right. Instead of just masking symptoms with more pills, Dan acts as a medical detective, actively helping patients safely taper off medications like statins, blood pressure pills, GPL-1s, and psychiatric drugs. His medical philosophy is rooted in the understanding that the human body doesn't make mistakes.

4:19Darin Olien:It creates symptoms and inflammation for a reason. Get ready for an eye-opening conversation about finding that root cause and getting your innate healing systems back online. Let's dive in. Dr. Dan Reardon, my buddy, now for a long time. it's so great it's so great to have you uh on the podcast on the super life podcast uh i know we we attempted to have a conversation on instagram and kept getting cut off so the beautiful thing is sometimes things are happening for us most often they're always happening for us so instead of doing a shorter conversation now we can have the space and the time to really have a great conversation with you and we can go all any place that we want so thank you man for coming on and it's it's great to see you again i appreciate it it's great to see you as well uh darren i mean it's been it's been about 11 years you know which is mad which is mad i still i still i can still remember i don't know i don't know how well you remember this but we had we had lunch at ollo in malibu yeah and there was there was a point in the conversation when some you flipped a switch in me and and that's and and the flip the way you flip the switch was you started talking about um how when we exercise obviously our muscles get damaged and broken down and our body is not that stupid that it just releases all the amino acids and says that's it i'm done with them and that's the bit that in protein it's the bit that in protein conversations no one ever talks about because we're obviously all obsessed with consuming large amounts of protein but we forget your body isn't just gonna excrete all those amino acids from muscle getting broken down there's a reassimilation process and i'd never thought about that and I remember that very first conversation going away thinking oh my goodness me okay I need to I need to I need to have more discussions with Aaron because you got me thinking in a whole different way yeah well yeah that's you know as anything we reduce things down and we sometimes take knowledge and then we apply it and we apply it and apply it and we don't have an often we don't often ask where did that come from is that still relevant does that really make sense and you know for me that switch of maybe the few things that i learned in physiology class and underground uh was i remember when i was struggling with i was eating way too much meat my body was not feeling that great uh super you know i don't know i was young i was in my 20s and uh and in my and then early 30s and i was like finally that i remembered that moment in physiology class when it makes sense that amino acids are important and they're rare.

7:33Darin Olien:So if you're recycling, why wouldn't you upregulate amino acids? And so then that's when I started questioning amino acids, protein requirements, all of that stuff. I still question it today because obviously I eat plants uh and they are the they are the ogs of amino acids because every even every animal event you know the amino acids originally originated from from plants uh so I that's that's where it all went for me and uh yeah man I think I think the protein discussion is an interesting one. In fact, a patient of mine last week, beginning of last week, asked me a question and I had to think about how I answered it.

8:25So the question went something like, he's now taken on board everything I've said. We've done a whole load of testing. We've realized that one of the things he does need to do is increase his protein intake. And he said to me, but Dan, if I'm not doing the workouts that you want me to be doing at the moment, do i do i need all this protein or is that just not going to contribute to getting converted into glucose because i'm not producing the signal to use the protein right and it was a great question and i thought about it for a while and i sort of said well actually i think you're right because the other reason we tell people to eat a lot of protein is is for appetite regulation and appetite control so if you're able to control your eating then you are absolutely right you probably shouldn't be over consuming protein until you're you've got the right signal from working out at which point that's the point we need to start increasing your protein there's there's a lot there's i think the protein discussion is an is an interesting ongoing discussion and i'm not quite sure and perhaps you can answer this for me have you have you noticed any changes since they flipped the food pyramid have i personally yeah of people in the us have people been talking differently given that how they flip that food pyramid because that was quite an interesting development

9:50Darin Olien:yeah i mean i haven't personally spent a time analyzing it myself i kind of like um um, uh, you know, to be honest with you, on the one hand, I think it's a bunch of bollocks, right? I think that, that I, I don't think, I think there's agendas involved with it. I think that, um, putting, putting over consumption of meat and dairy and all of this stuff makes no sense whatsoever doesn't doesn't it doesn't equal health um and uh so so from that perspective uh and then of course you know all of the lower process all that stuff makes sense the the reality though is no one follows it yeah and and they cherry they cherry pick it so the message gets pushed now what's the main message that i've heard i hear eat as much meat as you want eat as much dairy as you want and what's that gonna what's what what's gonna bring in with that higher saturated fat that's unquestionable in its contribution to heart disease and cardiovascular disease well i think also as well it's the fact that people aren't going to be getting necessarily these you know the increased meat consumption from just eating meat it's going to come from as you just said processed foods with everything that that carries so yeah i mean i i found it i found it fascinating when they flip the pyramid and one of the things i did very briefly was just some calculations based on population size that if everyone was to follow the guidelines of 1.5 I think I think they said what is it 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram or something like that is what they're recommending you'd have to you'd have to have an increase in meat processing by something like 10 20 times you know what it what it is at the moment which what would that do for carbon footprints what you know and without that all they see is just massive escalation in the in the prices of protein sources because you know there's an increased demand so it's uh i i found it i found it i just found it interesting yeah when you and when you really drill it down and i think you know simon hill dives into this quite a bit on on his proof podcast yeah yeah um but to your point he's addressed this very question if you're getting 1.2 to 1.5 kilograms per pound of body weight of protein and you do nothing, then that's, number one, you're not deficient, but it's also not being used.

12:48Darin Olien:And so even if you're using 1.2 to 1.0 or consuming one, and if you activate by exercise, then you're getting all of the benefits of the protein you consumed, but virtually, And then you look at it, Dan, from the other side. The other side is longevity. The other side is Dr. Walter Longo's work. Once you start getting over 15 % of overall calories from protein, from their research, cancer rates go up, mortality rates suffer. So then you're like, okay. then you look at the society going everywhere you look there's gummies with protein shoved into it it's ridiculous we're not deficient in protein yeah i think we've just we i mean it it goes back to basics but the thing is we never go back to basics do we we just keep putting elastoplasts and elastoplasts and elastoplasts and and and you know and and to be honest i i you You know, I had an interesting experience.

13:56Well, this was probably three or four weeks ago. And I was sat down listening to two people talking about their doses of Manjaro, which is our version of disepotide in the UK. So they're talking about their doses. And in the same conversation, one of them then said, for their snack today in work, they've got a donut. and the other person said for their snacking work they've got spaghetti hoops on toast and for me that was it was a it was sort of i i don't blame any of these individuals for for eating these by eating this way and talking like this what what i blame and it's the same with the protein discussion we've just got this inability to go back to the basics and and really get people understanding you know what they should be doing to optimize their health with regards to what they eat when they eat how often they eat the quality of the foods they're consuming or over consuming um and you know the addition now of all of these weight loss injections on the face of it we should be sitting here saying wow haven't things got better and and for me haven't things got worse that's how that's how i sort of see it at the moment

15:15Darin Olien:Yeah, this GOP1 thing is really, you know, let's unpack this a little bit because again, we're cutting corners on the basics to your point. Like we're so far off base to the basics. It's like we haven't subsidized real food ever, right? We've subsidized meat that's horrible, that's over-processed, over-produced, chemicalized, hormonalized. We've done that. So 99.9 % of the meat you're eating is very, very, very poor quality. You can make the argument that there's no real grass raised, but maybe 0.0001%. So let's just set that table correctly. and it's being subsidized so the meatonomics is off the real cost is is a wash right it's a it's a it's a delusion yeah and and so we haven't we haven't supported veg we haven't supported food We haven't supported whole food, which is just insane to me.

16:35It's insane that we're supporting things that are not healthy. And in that process of moving our bodies, eating good food, you naturally endogenously turn on your own natural GLP-1 supportive mechanisms.

16:58Darin Olien:but yet we don't do any of that we try to go around it and manufacture some stuff and of course it's being abused already it is it is and and i mean it's it's interesting because even even sort of the discussion i mean when we say about sort of natural um glp1 the the the The whole way that GLP-1 came about was that a scientist in New York realised that as the early GLP-1 scientists were failing to sort of extend the life of GLP-1, he realised that in the glia monster, there was a very similar protein to GLP-1 that they were able to then manufacture and get that to exist for longer, to start to see the effects of if you have GLP-1 in your system for longer, what does it actually do?

17:51So what is being injected is nothing like what gets produced naturally anyway. It's a completely sort of artificial transformed version of GLP-1. And we can even see, so the way GLP-1 works is it naturally gets produced in the intestine, GLP-1 and GIP, and they have a whole host of effects. And then there's an enzyme called DPP-4 that breaks down GLP-1. So it only exists in the system for one to two minutes. Well, the half-life is one to two minutes. So it's very, very short-lived. And there's a medication that we use in diabetes called cetagliptin. And cetagliptin blocks the DPP4 enzyme. So it allows GLP-1 to persist for longer.

18:38And the only effects that has is it increases insulin and suppresses glucagon. So it doesn't have the appetite effects. It doesn't have the hunger effects. So that shows you how different these injections are. And so when we say GLP-1, you know, one of the things that happens in the pharmaceutical industry is they soften the language of things to make it more consumer friendly. And so it's essentially softer language. You produce it naturally and we're just giving you a little bit extra, which is not true. That's not what's happening. um so you know i find i find sort of the whole sort of discussion around around glp ones you know really really and i mean it's it's fascinating it's fascinating to sort of experience it and be around it but i i personally i do not think so i'm obviously in the united kingdom and i do not for one second think that the uk has done a good job of bringing this to market in the right way I really don't.

19:41Darin Olien:What are the red flags that you're seeing, both from the industry perspective as well as individuals? So from an industrial perspective, there's a bit of a sort of a dichotomy at the moment. So we have NHS England. So we have a free health care system in the UK. We have the National Health Service. and it's managed from a clinical perspective and it's managed from a money perspective. Now, the clinical perspective and the money perspective are still quite similar, but the government manages part in NHS England, which is still a branch of the government, but that manages part. So we have a chief medical officer and then we have a health secretary.

20:28Now, in the UK, the health secretary is currently trying to financially incentivise primary care doctors to get more people started on GLP-1 medications, whilst at the same time our chief medical officer is saying we need to exercise caution around the use of the medications. So there's these two really, really opposing views on it. And I think ultimately the problem is there is a perspective which is common sense says if you can help people lose weight you'll improve their long-term health. The issue is that when you use the GLP-1s your weight improves while you're on the medication. There's a bit of an increase in some of the cardiometabolic markers and risk factors but as soon as you come off the medication things return to baseline and arguably things will get worse because of reduction in muscle mass and a little bit of fat tissue memory and things like that.

21:30So the first red flag is that the leaders in medicine are not agreeing with the leaders in government. That's one big red flag. The second red flag is honesty around the side effects, because I think it's been really easy for people to brush off, you know, the fact that these medications are so widely available now and you know the the sort of the side effects are you know you might get a little bit of vomiting you might get a little bit of stomach irritation um but you know have people been told they might get crippling abdominal pains and end up in a and e because they think they're having a heart attack have people been told you might actually get pancreatitis it's not not a fallacy you might actually get pancreatitis you know you might actually get gallbladder disease there's a good chance that in 10 years time your bones are going to be so weak you're going to fall over and have a hip fracture you know are we've been told this is there an increase in the service provision to say over the next 10 years we need to train more gallbladder surgeons or we need to train more orthopedic surgeons because realistically muscle loss leads to bone loss which leads to weak bones and therefore you know it so it doesn't take a genius so there's a red flag in terms of future planning um and then and then and then we have the issues of you know the ease at which people can get the injections and there's this so-called idea of yo-yo injectors where people are just injecting for an event they inject to go to someone's wedding or to go on holiday or to you know so there's you know there's there's sort of those kind of sort of red flags as well so the there's a there's a breadth of problems before we even think about any of the science there's

23:14Darin Olien:there's a whole host of cultural problems that that sounds so messy and you know it's and it's it's this it's the same old pattern it seems that we throw something into the market and trying to do something but not thinking about any of it not it's thinking about the people not thinking about side effects not not being clear itself but like let's let's throw it into the market and then try to figure it out later and and because of that there's abuse of it there's side effects of it there's people dying there's long-term you know effects in the and you know the one of the greatest catalysts is for people to make a decision is that they don't feel good about themselves right so oh they're overweight i can't get rid of that i you know all of that stuff so it's like you come with this dangling um you know miracle supposed miracle drug next thing you know of course you're gonna have people wanting it and if you're not disclosing those things that you're bringing up and more then you're you're using the authoritation of the authority figure as the you know i'm trusting you but without the trust yeah it's yeah it is crazy i'll tell you something else that that's that's also fascinating the so when they with semaglutide there's a there's a series of trials i think there's about eight step trials and in these trials one of the things that they found is actually even if you give significant behavioral support while they're on these medications that doesn't necessarily improve the chances after they stop them that they keep the weight off so we even know that you know conventional methods of helping people structure their lifestyles with regards to weight loss and and exercise and things like that you know traditional ways that it would have it worked in some respects that now doesn't work so we haven't even we're not even at a point where sorry i'll rephrase that the majority of practitioners are not even at a point where they even know how to support people on these medications other than just right i'd like to take a quick break from this podcast as a shout out for my amazing sponsors true nitrogen Every single cell in your body is running a 24-7 operation.

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28:05Darin Olien:Go to TrueNiagen and use the code DARIN20 for 20 % off. That's TrueNiagen, T-R-U-N-I-A-G-E-N.com and use the code Darren20, D-A-R-I-N 20 for 20 % off. The prescription and leave them to it. I mean, there's no, you could, in fact, you don't even, I know that people present evidence, but the fact that you can actually see people around you on these injections and watch what they're eating, you don't need to see evidence of whether or not people are increasing their protein intake or changing how they're eating. They're not. They're just eating less of the same foods. Right. Right. Yeah, it's, you know, let's go back to this whole incentivized thing.

29:01Darin Olien:Like as a physician and your colleagues and stuff like that, how does that, I'm not here to throw anyone, one person under the bus. And I'm certainly not here to make doctors out to be anything other than, you know, they're also pinched within some of this stuff. So, but, but I want to understand maybe from a broader perspective, like this incentivized push to doctors and also incentivized vis-a-vis this is a miracle to customers. and you know better than anyone being a doctor, you can't go through all of the information all the time of all of the changes that's always occurring. Like, you know, trying to keep up with medicine as an individual doctor is virtually impossible.

30:00Darin Olien:So you have to rely on some factual, clear information that's disseminated through and to you so like how does that you know how does that work for you like how does that work for your colleagues how when something like a glp1 hits and is pushed how do you wrestle with that and then you have your own population coming to you begging hey man i need this you can see i need this right How does that work? So I think there's a couple of different ways that we can think about this. So traditionally with the GLP-1 medications, they were essentially licensed, if you like, for people with diabetes. And so there's been a whole range of good effects that relates to people with diabetes.

31:01so there's a way that these medications can be prescribed within within the framework of understanding that someone with an established disease that there are some benefits but from the weight loss perspective most of my friends who are gps primary care practitioners they won't go near it it doesn't matter how you incentivize them they won't go near it they won't prescribe it they won't go near it a lot of the prescriptions a lot of the prescriptions for jlp1 i come in from the online pharmacies and in fact even supermarkets they even have you know ways that you can sign up to get get the drugs and there's there's a lot of sort of online places to get the medications but for you see that i mean doctors can get a little bit of a bad rap but you know some of my best friends um who are you know primary care doctors who you know they have a very very very tough time and it's a different conversation why they have such a tough time but certainly you know they understand that their their role in their job is to treat disease and you know disease is you know thing abnormalities that are found in wet tissue in the human body that respond you know if someone's got an infection if someone's got something that requires a medical intervention then they you know they believe that that is their role and that is that is their job what they're not trained in is how to coach somebody how to lose weight how to emotionally manage somebody how to emotionally manage somebody who is having difficulty controlling their appetite how do you help someone financially prioritize what they eat and when they eat how do you help someone construct a training program they don't know the answer to these questions therefore they do not see themselves as being the people who should be the guardians of these prescriptions and so they stay well away and they don't get involved.

32:58Now for younger doctors who are coming through who are essentially being told what they have to do that's a different story and so you will get younger doctors who don't have a choice who will be told that you know these are magic bullets and if they're magic bullets you know you must prescribe them much like they must prescribe a statin or they must prescribe a blood pressure tablet or they must prescribe you know x y and z so you know and so that that that that will happen and yeah i mean it a lot is so much of it doesn't doesn't make any sense now i i do want to caveat this with by saying that there is absolutely it is unquestionable that there are people out there who massively benefit from these injections people who conventionally, you know, who are very, very overweight, very obese, and this as a last resort.

33:53And there's been some great evidence of the benefits that these people see. But really, I think one of the things you mentioned is the abuse of the medication. And I think that's interesting because I think the vast majority of these expensive prescriptions are coming from people who, by definition, you could argue are abusing the medication. Right.

34:18Darin Olien:Yeah, I mean, yeah, and thank you for unpacking that a little bit. And it's wonderful to hear that, you know, the general practitioners that... Oh, shit, what was that? What was that? that the the general practitioners that you know are acting responsibly and going hey this is this is a wild west situation this is something i'm not gonna yeah and it's wonderful to hear that and so i'm i'm i'm grateful to hear that because oftentimes yeah it's it's you know conversations around doctors get put into categories, right? They're all doing this, or they're all not doing that or whatever that is. And, and, and so thank you for, you know, clarifying that and, and also acting not only like yourself, but your colleagues acting responsibly in that way.

35:19Darin Olien:Um, but you also said something that I find really interesting and that the culture probably always changes within the medical school system itself and the younger doctors and the call it the different types of indoctrination of information and pressures and whatever else um that they may be you know they're coming into something and don't have the same uh you know view and so therefore and again supported by whatever information they have access to about whatever, that could be different and could be incentivized differently. And so, you know, it's a strange thing. And then the other thing that I heard you say was there's a circumvention that seems to be built in to like you can get it at your pharmacist you can fill out this thing you can get it online you know one's seeing you uh and then you're like okay well that doesn't seem like a good idea that seems very uh wild west that seems very uh abusive uh less at least setting the table for abuse It's a moneymaker.

36:51Simple as that. It's an absolute moneymaker. I mean, there are people making an absolute fortune from prescribing these medications. And it baffles me that, so I'll tell you one of the places where I, you know, sometimes you kind of look at society and you say, what has happened here? and if we take let's go let's go back before we knew that there was going to be these weight loss medications these glp ones so let's go back to around about 2019 so pre-2019 we literally had 10 to 15 years of the media telling us that there's nothing wrong with being overweight being overweight can be healthy you can be obese and you can still be healthy we've got massive body positivity movements all of the big brands pushing you know body positivity and things like that which i am not i'm not mocking in any way but as soon as these glp1 medications come along where is all of that where's all that gone when was the last time when was last time you heard anything in the headlines about body positivity yeah it's gone it's gone and the reason and the reason why i'm raising this is that why did we allow 15 to 20 years of society convincing people that they could still be healthy by you know following by following these types of lifestyles that leads to obesity and then all of a sudden we flip it and we say oh by the way now that you are obese here's an injection for you I just look at that I think it stinks of conspiracy I just look at it and say what happened there what happened and it literally switched overnight you will not see a single headline about body positivity anymore yeah yeah

38:58Darin Olien:you know the thing that is so abusive in our society is profits trump everything else right and it's it's the desire to move that needle at any cost to into to life and to human life and to you know and and that's you know when i was digging through fatal conveniences even though i knew a lot of this stuff you just come to this point where you're like the only reason certain things are being done or put into certain things because of a cost or because of it increases profit or all of that stuff. And so, yeah, I mean, we know orchestration happens. And, you know, I think the only thing I'll say, and I am not in a position to have a point of view about what it feels like to be obese yeah but but i will say this we are not our body we have a body right we are we are i believe this we are infinite we are this consciousness we're illuminated by something mysterious and miraculous i don't know what that is uh i i love to find out one day when my lights go out um But we know that a body, a body, if we see that body, it's not the person that's attacked or it's a body that's under stress.

40:38Darin Olien:It's a body that has things that it's struggling with innately within its biological field and its chemical field. So like, that's where, like, you can love that person and that person can love you and you can, you can accept those people and you can receive love from those people and you can give love to those people. So, you know, again, we're not opening this up to necessarily understand that we understand it all. But I'm just saying for me personally, it's like, don't confuse this, all of this situation, right? Love that person. Love yourself. Yes. 100 % of the time, no matter what. forgiveness joy gratitude love all of those things embody that and if there's a body under stress you know as a doctor you come in and try to help absolutely absolutely absolutely i think i just i I get frustrated by the way that society and the powers that be are so manipulative around, you know, they, they, they, they, they can, they select what they want society to be knowing full well that, you know, 10 years from now, there's going to be something that's going to fix the problem they've created over the last 10 years and then something else.

42:20And then something else. I just, I have a very, I don't have a very positive view of, I look at things and I say, this has been manufactured. And that's, that's, that's, that's always my, that's, that's, so my perspective is always, we manufacture, something is manufactured, people pay the price and, and we're doing our best to try to help people whilst facing friction from places that, you know, you wouldn't have expected it to come from.

42:50Darin Olien:That's, well said you wouldn't expect it yeah and by the way i've i've always got your book around you know and i love the book but i'm not sure how much it destroyed my life reading it you know sometimes it's better sometimes it's better not to know i'm joking i'm joking well i you know yeah it's it's it's point it's points right it's like that kind of i knew it rewriting it that that that is something that is going to take time for people to you know it's like one step at a time it's like one meal at a time one exercise at a time like it's that kind of thing and yeah and you know kind of what we're talking about here is like well this society and those fatal conveniences were manufactured and we've got a question what is good and what isn't good and and that's the that's the practice that we're all under and and you know for for those of us that want other people to thrive in their lives what you know we're here uh to to help serve that mission and and even though and i'll say this to you you know even though we see it and it doesn't make sense to us why why a system why an algorithm why a corporation why a whatever that is why that is so big and loud at a deceiving message i don't know i don't know why people would put their life energy into something that's deceptive and deceiving of others i don't know why and that's hurtful as a human to get that that is happening the other side is that's what we do we have these conversations we stand for what we believe to be is right and true and and that's what we do and and hopefully you know more people come to that light and get to wake up to like oh i just heard this conversation i now i'm gonna question maybe i was thinking about a glp one but I only want to lose 25 pounds.

45:20Darin Olien:Like, you maybe don't want a list of unnecessary side effects when, in fact, innately, biologically, you're geared to do it by just go outside, move your body, eat some good food, and you'll probably be good and find some other people that support you in that. Yeah, agreed, agreed. But also, as well, the experience of the pain of going through it, you know there's there's a lot to be said for for overcoming the the pain points as being the the thing that's that sort of stabilizes you moving forward but if you never experience the pain points you don't really know what it is that you're trying to get over if you like well that that that's you know achieving things is so good for your mental health and it's it's it's built it's built in you know our ancestors i mean if we could look back at our ancestors and what they had to do for us to be sitting on a computer talking to each other like like the horrific shit that they had to go through to overcome on the boats and the family friends being killed and dying and like like yeah like it's extraordinary and and and that resilience is built in within this human you know fabric that we have so achieving something it's like you don't have to go you don't have to go you know kill someone that's trying to you know come after your food or kill your children but you can just pick up a weight and do some resistance and become strong and build that same resistance so yeah it's beautiful so what what are you what are you what are you what are you focused on right now and what's what's you know what what what's that life like being you know in practice and and what what are you excited about right now yeah so my i have sort of i suppose three areas that that i'm really sort of committed to uh the first uh and this is probably the one that gives me the most enjoyment is is deprescribing so it's actually helping people get off medications which is something that is you know it's it's it's completely against the traditional concept of what medicine is but yeah so so so so my the the main the main ones are helping people get off glp1 medications helping people get off blood pressure tablets helping people get off statins helping people get off ppis and helping people get off psychiatric medications and and with it and and that's sort of quite in its infancy but it's yeah it's super interesting and the the reason it's so interesting is it falls into one of the other three things which is my you know one of my other big areas of interest in practice is improving people's metabolic health now that can be for that that can be for the high performers so athletes and you know people who just want to be shredded for the rest of their lives versus the people who need massive massive improvements in their underlying metabolic health in order to get off these medications and the third thing is clinical data review so with the fact that there's now all of these companies that offer all of these blood testing you know lab works and all these other things people can get one of the issues is that people have problems interpreting the information so i get a lot of people coming to me now you know wanting some interpretation which the majority of the time is just telling them that they've not learned anything there's nothing to learn from these tests that you've had you know it's you know it's you know you've had tests but there's nothing to gain from it so they're sort of they're kind of my sort of three big areas of interest at the moment that I'm working through but the biggest one for me is deprescribing and you know again it's it's it's you know there's there's a little bit of uh resistance against it but you know the people that I've worked with to help deprescribe them they they would not go back they would not go back I that is one of the greatest things I've heard in a long time like you know it's always like make sure you do it under doctor supervision but what doctors are actually committed to health to let your body come back online and de-prescribe like that dude that that's who you are and i'm not surprised i'm happy to hear i'm but i'm not surprised because that's who you are right you're committed to people you're committed to health that's why you became a doctor but absolutely it's also like i had a researcher from uh norway who's got this diagnostic photobiomodulation diagnostics capability a million data points it's kind of crazy ridiculous we can talk later about it offline but he he so he's able to look at a body and so it's from a million literally a million different data points and he said to me that stuck out so strongly and it's back to your point in a certain sense that he said i've never seen the body make a wrong choice right so he's like i've seen an indicator for inflammation and then there's this and that but to your point if you get like one little test it doesn't show you why it's happening like the body is literally doing something because it knows it needs to do that and and so but if you don't have enough data you can't see why it's doing it sometimes right so this whole idea of like hey inflammation well it's inflamed for a reason so suppressing it may actually hurt the downstream effect of what the causation of the inflammation is and you haven't put out the fire.

51:38So I love that because that reminds me of you

51:44Darin Olien:because you're getting people's natural ability back online, the innate nature that the body wants to thrive and knows what to do, but aligning it and then taking away some of these other system suppressions, I guess. Well, there's a great question that you can put to people. So the question I always put to people is, do you know anybody who takes blood pressure medication? And the answer to that is most people will know lots of people taking blood pressure medication. So my next question is, were they ever investigated for the reason why the blood pressure is high?

52:32honestly you can ask the question and people look at you blankly and they'll say they might say well i had an ecg or blood test or an echo okay you had you had investigations that look at the problems associated with having high blood pressure but were you ever investigated for why it's high in the first place what is it in the system that has led to the requirement for an increase in pressure and and the answer is always no and and so that's that's kind of the starting point for me is i'm really interested in trying to figure out the answers to those questions and it sometimes takes a bit of time but you can get there you can get to the answer and sometimes you know the process of getting to the answer means you have to it's a slow process you have to you know alter alter medications that are being used fit you know find you know little signals that just allow you to enter the system a little bit to find out what's wrong.

53:25But yeah, it's, it's, it's really, it's really good fun. It's, it's kind of like, it's, it's, it's detective work. It's, it's like, it's almost like, you know, you're given a load of case files and someone says find the problem and it's, it's a lot of fun. Right.