Jules Horn: Why Pushing Your Body Harder Could Be Keeping You Stuck

0:02Darin Olien:Welcome to Super Life with me, Darin Olien. A podcast where we explore, discover, and share solutions that promote a healthier life and a better world. Together, we'll ignite possibilities, inspire change, and build sovereignty, creating a roadmap towards a super life for you and for all. Get ready to start living your super life.

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2:53Darin Olien:We put so much thought into the products that touch our bodies or go into our bodies. It just makes sense to extend the same standard to the surfaces that literally surround us. If you're repainting a room or now inspired to do so, building something new, or just ready to make a healthier swap, check out Alchemist. Go to A-L-K-E-M-I-S dot com. Use the code Darren10, D-A-R-I-N 10. Welcome back to the Super Life Podcast. Today, I'm sitting down with the holistic health movement practitioner, my good buddy, new father, and coach, Jules Horn. After years as an international fashion model, pushing his body to the absolute limit through grueling workouts and rigorous, rigid control, Jules experienced a profound awakening.

3:47Darin Olien:He recognized that modern hustle culture and the obsession with extreme fitness are often just socially acceptable forms of really escape, trapping us in chronic stress, exhaustion, and absolute distraction. In this groundbreaking, amazing conversation, Jules opens up about trading constant physical breakdown for genuine energy cultivation. We dive into the powerful distinction between working out and working in, exploring how simple practices like deep breath work, true stillness, and nervous system regulation allows us to heal stored childhood trauma and release the past programming of it. Jules shares how marriage and fatherhood reshaped his daily rhythm.

4:40Darin Olien:Yeah. And how doing the quiet, simple, but powerful work unlocks authentic inner wealth. Let's dive in. I've been diving into some, you know, wealth principles. And, of course, Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich, right? Incredible. Did you know he's got another one? Oh, I did. That was literally held by the family for 70 years. It came out. You're going to love this. came out in the, I think 2013, 14. They allowed this one lady to, I forget her name, one lady to bring it out. It's called Outwitting the Devil. Oh. But an interesting spin. And so I don't want to give it all away, but they set it up, and then they said, whatever you believe, however he got this communication with the devil is whatever it is, but what they basically go through is still holds up as, like,

6:06Darin Olien:how do you keep population down? Basically it was like, I have half of the world and God has half of the world. And the duality, and by the way, I control about 98 % of the population.

6:30Darin Olien:And the way it was set up is the devil has to answer. He can't lie. So whatever Napoleon Hill asks, the devil has to share it. It's fascinating. It's fascinating. I've gone through it twice now. So there's principles of, like I'll give a couple, just so people can go, like what are you guys talking about? But how to keep people down, this is going to be obvious, fear. right what are some cis is going to piss some people off what are a couple systems that help support that and control that he uses schools churches right so so it's a fascinating thing that he starts to discover and i find it very interesting that 70 years they definitely did not want this out and you could say that the world exists with confusion with fear and the algorithms and the manifestation of all of that and and and i'll leave with this and then we can get into whatever but what is the antidote free thinking vision yeah purpose being in that space being in that light being on purpose thinking questioning things like all of that for this context the devil hates it can't control anybody in that way that's that's amazing so anyway in our traffic as we were coming here i was just like re-listening to that again and it's just and suffice it to say you don't have to get lost in the devil and the god you don't have to get lost in that stuff call it duality yeah call it inside of our own selves however anyone needs to make that don't don't lose yourself in that the principle stays the same because i believe that too it's like when i get clear when I have a vision and then I take actions toward that.

8:52Darin Olien:And my mind still has resistance. The world still may throw stuff at me and I have to navigate and move around. But when I stay on vision, I set my sail and I set my course. And I set my heart and I set my mind and I set my body and I set, you know what I mean? And, you know, it's kind of a good segue to you. No, it's amazing. You know what's very interesting? Literally, just as we drove here, because we were obviously stuck in traffic as well, and I said to Kate, I said, you can either drive yourself crazy in the traffic or you just chill and relax. The outcome is going to be the same. You arrive when you're supposed to.

9:42And that's really exactly what you just said. it's the same with everything really in life and i truly for me it's always i like to use the knowledge or i believe in god and i know god exists therefore there's also devil exists and it's really when you look around everything that's control controllable that's not of god it's just what you said and then you know even in my own practice everything what i do on a daily based and i know we're very similar on that but this morning i just like slept in a little bit didn't get up until five i slept until seven with with the baby and kate and i was like why am i boxing myself in the morning again in this tiny little box because it's it needs to be a certain way and that's control so that's not from god either therefore when i break out of that I'm like, I felt so free this morning.

10:39I'm like, this is something, you know, we just have to take it one day at a time. I always, I started using this, like the 12-step program, take it one day at a time, you know. It doesn't have to be with alcohol or drugs or anything. It's really like, you want to better your life, take it one day at a time. Today I'm doing this, it makes me feel good. So I'm pretty sure if I take care of this today, tomorrow I'll feel better than I did today. And I think that's a beautiful way to, for me it's a beautiful way to live and you know i'm learning every day yeah yeah that's the thing

11:11Darin Olien:and there's also this part of there's control and also discipline right so like on the one hand i don't necessarily have this all figured out but i have a pretty good handle on it i know when i control things i can isolate i can kind of lone wolf my life pretty good and cut not not cut people off like oh cutting people like not that way but just so that's one thing on the other side there's discipline and discipline can slide into control pretty easily and it's also disciplined towards again i guess it depends on the vision like what's the vision like i know you got some products coming out i've got some stuff coming out like discipline is the thing like discipline create just like discipline and working out it's boring it's like you get to you know gotta do this again but it's like the vision is what pulls it and the vision is what creates you're investing into an outcome you don't necessarily know what the outcome's going to be but you're investing into something and sometimes that's not so sexy sometimes it's boring sometimes you know people are doing other things and it's easily but like

12:45Darin Olien:that's that's where i know i have a superpower in there but i have for me i have to be careful when i go into super controlling of that right yeah i mean and you're german so you automatically No, there's a lot of those things I had to, I'm still breaking on my own, you know. Because everything can become too much of a routine. And I've been reading this book, and I think I sent you some stuff like a while ago from this Man's Highest Consciousness. Man's? Man's Highest Consciousness. It's a really old book. And, you know, it goes all about like food, but also like the act of eating itself. It says like man eats to die, you know, because by the core, you know, without going too much into it, we evolve by not eating essentially.

13:40That's what I heard that for many different realms, you know. That's why, I mean, you fasted a bunch. I've been fasting a ton. In fact, I'm actually on my, I just started my second day today. I haven't really eaten. and it's interesting because with now the practices i i do on a daily base like trying to cultivate energy through breathing and like standing meditation and just like opening the body i've it's the first time i've i felt really good without having any dips so and in this book he also talks about did god design the human body so first of all when it comes to physical work when you go like 50 years ago to build roads and like work 24 7 and now you know you go in the present and you go on social media especially with men everyone is like go do more run 100 miles do this workout three times a day it's like the physical body i don't think it's designed to be abused like that so coming back to what you said with yeah there's certainly movement is important strength training is important but the the perfect dose for each individual we have to find ourselves and then that that line is really fine where it becomes like an obsession and then just another way of escaping and then when the ego steps in with you need to have a body like this and the i mean i've done it you've done it your entire life i've done it my entire life it's like I can get really good like this is what I do to have a routine and don't care about anything else but really all this kind of like broke away when I got married now and like with our son it's like what's really important because the more I occupy myself on a physical level so if I need to work out an hour two hours a day which I used to do sometimes even three hours how much energy do I have left in the tank for for my family or then you know for the community I'm building and so forth not much so it's this battle I'm really having in my mind or like within myself on a daily base but it becomes more and more clear where I'm like for me personally that's not the way anymore it serves me for a long time to go really hard train really hard but my body every cell in my body resists that now so if i do a workout it's not that i'm not fit it's just i don't feel good i get really bored really quick i don't like the act of doing those straight movements anymore at all and then the next day i just feel tired and i'm in pain so i know if you look in you know traditional and ancient traditional chinese practices like qigong tai chi there's a there's a way to cultivate energy even in martial arts right when you use because gravity does does a lot of work for us so if you if you think about like standing meditation and all this stuff if you actually pay attention there's another really good book i know if you read this um reality trend surfing have you heard of this one i'll send it it's amazing book too and he talks It's also about free energy.

16:52So there's constantly free energy available from the earth and from the heavens. And it runs through the meridians. You can only access it when you pay attention to it. And then you train it like a muscle. And then over time, all of a sudden, you can use it by feeling more grounded. Or if you train or you run, you can actually use it to be lighter in your body. and that's what for 10th of thousand years martial artists would do and practice it and i heard this those stories i had a friend he he trained with a a tai chi practitioner and a qigong coach or trainer or whatever you want to call it and this guy was in his 60s or 70s and he said there's no way i could ever move this guy's body it's like he's rooted in the ground because he doesn't use strength.

17:45It's just gravity. So that's really what I'm looking into more and more because for me it's like maybe, maybe, maybe this is also something. I'm going really hard in strength training and doing all those things and breaking down the body over and over. And again, all we are, we're busy recovering. I don't think God intended us or built us to live that way. So maybe, coming back to what you said in the beginning, maybe this whole act of going to the limit all the time comes from the devil because what happens if I'm tired and exhausted, sore, have no energy, I'm easily controllable because I'm not able to tap into my own energies or my intuition because I'm occupied, my body's under tremendous amount of stress.

18:39You know, it may, lots of people will disagree with me for that because it's also something we've been grown into or brainwashed into, you can also say that, because it has to be a certain way in our society in order to be a man or be someone who's successful. I mean, there's so many entrepreneurs out there now who, you know, if you don't work 24 hours a day, if you don't work out three hours in those 24 hours while you're working 24, it's like insane. So for me, it's really a lot of things shifted over the last couple of months where I'm like really trying to fully understand myself. And then what I'm interested in really is like, how can I cultivate more energy than an exert?

19:24Because when I have more energy cultivated than I give away, then I have energy to give to other people, family, friends, on anything I want to do. And to be really honest, I've never felt more present within myself and calmer within my body. And then all those questions I had for years, like, is this the right way to do? Is this the right way to eat? There's no question anymore. Because with all that practice, it comes a knowing. Yeah, you've had an interesting arc.

19:57Darin Olien:you know you've had an interesting journey and it's like it's really cool to see you married with your baby and the presence that you have just knowing you now for years but there's a there's a there is a peace within you there is a and and just outwardly you have more to give and you've been giving and you've been creating your own community you've been practicing and practice um having a practice and working with people and i'm sure that informs you because you have to tune in right it's all of this tuning fork of like another person and a thing so how much of that has been because the whole I mean the whole fascia world the whole like all of that stuff so how much has been working on people informed you about you tremendously because you know I see really everyone as a mirror we all can learn we learn from each and every individual we meet ever in our life whether it's just just someone you meet on the street and you have interaction with and a lot of times what happened to me is like i started seeing all those people and then literally everyone is why they come to me because the nervous system is dysregulated or they're in pain they have disease whatever it doesn't really matter there's something off in the body and then the more i work with people the more i'm like wait a minute there's patterns within myself i can see clearly through those people and a lot of times you know when it's all the people in the 60s 70s it's like this is just a mirror if i keep doing what i keep doing what i'm doing i will end up like this you know and this i realized it early on and now i'm like i see everyone with an open heart and as i said the more i'm gentle and loving to myself the more i feel just i can first of all hold space but also understand people differently And then the thing is really it's just all really the basic stuff.

22:09I'm showing people and I'm teaching people is just coming back to remembering what it feels like to actually be in your body. Because it's, you know, why are there a gazillion fitness coaches out there? There's a gazillion running coaches. It's fine. Great. And it's all great to do that. but the why needs to be dialed in for every single person. Why am I doing this? You know, there's, yeah, there's so many people, they may have been like addicts before in some form or the other, whether it's alcohol, drugs or whatever, and then all of a sudden they become addicts to fitness. Yeah, it's just, you're still doing the same, the pattern didn't change, the substance changed.

22:56so down the road when you keep doing this and i know i'll piss a lot of people off right now because when you keep doing this you still borrow time from the future because you're never present so if i overexert myself with anything yeah i can train my body but the body is incredible adaptable and that's what this guy says i forgot the author in the man's highest consciousness you can the with food for example the body adapts to it and then all of a sudden you need this in order to function.

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25:17when you take it away, it's nothing different than heroin or any other drug. The body adapts it, so you need it. You get addicted to it, so if you take it away, every cell in your body starts screaming. So it's the same with anything else. It's just an outlet, a lot of those addiction. And I have an addictive personality. I did a lot of things in my life that I'm looking back on. I had to do it to learn from it. I'm like, well, I don't really have to do it anymore to feel something because I can't just be with myself and feel everything. And I think by the core, when, do you ever read this book?

25:51It's sort of like the counterpart to the book you said in the beginning, Conversations with God. So, you know, one of the greatest books I've read so far. And in this book, I truly believe that and feel it, that the soul only knows two emotions, which is love and fear. So fear, certainly from the devil, love is from God and why do we fear because we don't feel love and to begin with and then from fear comes anger resentment rage and so forth and then look in the world we live in so if I know we all manifestation of God in human flesh and we know God knows everything by the core we know everything so we don't have to go back to learn and schools all those things right yeah you learned something no you don't have to learn it's really the more i talk about this the more i practice it the more i'm like this is it's like it's like a movie it's crazy because you get brought in this world have literally your entire life in front of you and then the second again coming back to me i was chairman you i was born and the second i was born i get instead of having the world on my in front of me i could put in a little box this is the life you live till you pretty much die and by the core i always knew growing up like early on i would say this is not this is not for me i know i remember there was one i was like maybe like six five or six and then someone said to me and like this party friend of my father and they were like so what do you want to what do you want to do when you grow up and i'm like back then i remember we had this this newspapers at home and i was reading and there was an article in there about how some TV person made millions of dollars, millions of euros back then.

27:47And I told him I want to be a news reporter and he looked at me like I'm on a different planet. Not that I ever wanted to do that, it's just I knew there's something else out there. I ended up being a mechanic and all those things. but the labels we get put on early on if we're not waking up along that way we have to we carry till we die and that hinders us to step into our full potential yeah and what I believe in what I've seen is really I looked at some teachings from Ken Wilber and what he's when he talks about madam back in the day yeah yeah he's an interesting character i can imagine and yeah you know he one of the greatest things and i'll never forget and i will use for the rest of my life is like in order to wake up and grow up you have to clean up spiritually and emotionally so if i don't go back and feel those those feelings for example when i was about five years old i was I almost was drowning in this pool, in a swimming pool.

28:56And it was just I went into deep and I couldn't swim proper and my parents and my friends and my family were too far away. So I was like struggling really hard. And there was a lot of fear within myself from that. And also not feeling supported by the people I love. So I carried it for a long time. And then over the last year, the more I practiced like stillness and standing with myself, I went back into this in a calm state where I'm fully present, where my physical body is calm, relaxed, and my mind is still. And then I go back into this and just remember it and feel that emotion of fear. I realize it's just like, it's just an old memory.

29:42It's an old program. It's a program. And what we all do, and this is the biggest pandemic in a sense. it's the biggest disease we have as humans we're looking into the present moment through a lens from the past yeah so everything we experience in the past the good and the bad we always most of the time we bring the bad subconsciously into the present and then we replaying it and then we're projecting in the future therefore we in a in a loophole we never can get out of it right And that's why all those things, it just really comes back down to being willing to get your body out of fight or flight, calm your nervous system down.

30:27And then from that place, you can actually clean up as much as you want until the room is empty and clean. And then you just have to maintain it. But it's the stuff that nobody wants to do because it's kind of boring.

30:39Darin Olien:Yeah, well, it's not addictive. And to that point, this is like that busting of the matrix moment because 95 % of our choices are coming through this lens of past experience, a trauma, an idea, a concept that was imposed or you decided at that time. and so therefore you're running and sprinting trying to sprint from it you know reaching to the next thing that you you know money alcohol some sort of addiction love someone's gonna love it out of me you know whatever it is we're all doing it right 100 and like it hit me this morning like when I was it was a cooler morning it was great it was cold this morning I was like woke up going holy shit it's cold so I kind of got comfy and doing my meditation I'm like you know it's the most obvious is the is the thing we do the least and that is literally just doing nothing and sitting and listening and sitting and listening like like deeply present and I know I know this is like speaking to what you you know your constitution and what you're teaching and what you're moving into and practicing yourself.

32:25Darin Olien:But it's again, it's so obvious and yet very few people do it. It has the keys to freeing us if we so choose, right? And yet we hold on to it desperately, desperately, look at the world, desperately choosing out of the pain. Look around. Anyone you see online, anyone you see in the world is somewhere in there choosing from their pain. And it's usually sitting in that zero to eight range as the core, like a trauma, mom or dad, whatever they vomited on us and and there's no easy sexy way to get out of that other than face it and look at it and go is this true oh it's just a thing that happened and it's in my nervous system and it's a program and and I I love what you said because instead of making it wrong or us wrong or this event wrong, what if we just literally leaned into it, sat there with calmness, and maybe, maybe actually accepting it, allowing it, going, oh, that was appropriate at the time.

34:08Darin Olien:At the time. Yeah, exactly. It was absolutely perfect. And then you can interject right now and say, everything's always perfect. Like, there's no, body never makes one wrong decision ever. Ever. Right? We're not ever making a wrong decision. And this is going to piss a lot of people off. Maybe what's happening in the world is never wrong. No matter what. Yeah. And it's brutal to say that. because it's gnarly. I mean, it's gnarly. This setup is gnarly. And at the same time, I think immediately of my mom. I think of our dads. And it's like they passed, and yet I can confidently say, for me, that my mom is free of the challenges of her body and she's in a state.

35:11Darin Olien:I can feel her. So that's not wrong either. You know what I mean? So I don't mean to say, fuck all this fucking bad shit's happening. We're going to be good later when we die. That's not what I mean. I'm just aware of the complexity and that I always look at,

35:37Darin Olien:I mean this is on a grand scale when I see issues in the world I go there's that there's an issue what's the solution that's just in my DNA yeah like and then I just happen to look around I'm like oh there's a lot of people around me that I know that are also doing that like let's solve for things let's create a better world let's help people regulate let's let them pass you know what mean so it's i don't know about you dude but like the only way i can make sense of this whole thing is i chose to be here and i the only way out of to have full freedom is take 100 responsibility 100 and you know this you said a lot of really great things and it just came up it's like maybe and i never felt this this way but since when you brought up your mom now fathers maybe the emotion of grief comes up because we have no control over it of the situation so we want to control and then that pain of not being able to hold them in this life we call grief but it's just another way of us wanting to control the situation we're in so and then you know grief comes and goes obviously but if i and this is certainly easier said than done but if i truly surrendered to the here and now to the present moment and what you said about your mom she's and it's the same for my father he was suffering for 20 years and he passed overnight he would there was no suffering in the way he exited this this plane this earth plane and there was the best way possible for him to go so in a sense if we truly if i would have been where i am now in my life meaning like on a emotional level i would have probably yeah would be sad and that's very human i'm not saying no we shouldn't have emotions or feelings but we have a choice every single day we have a choice so i can feel sad or i can feel happy if i know that our default state state of as humans is love and happiness we just have we unlearned through all this stuff we have to learn how to feel that so the emotions is really like this is what i learned recently too it's like you have a choice every single time you feel something to either get angry or just let it go hence the traffic i can get really angry about it or just relax listen to music listen to podcasts a book whatever and just relax and it's you know there's it's those micro moments throughout the day when i take take action over those it changes my entire trajectory of my life because if how you do anything is how you do everything and it doesn't have to be always a great thing so like oh if you don't get up at like 4 a.m and jump in a cold lunch for 30 minutes you know like it's really as you said it gets the boring stuff it's like okay if i do the things start listening really to myself and go back and let go of this stuff and as a great way for me how i always do this and how i work with people is it has worked with everyone to this point i have them have everyone go back so you have to calm your nervous system down let's say you breathe for 10 minutes in and out through the nose slow and deep and then in that state first of all a lot of people already blown their minds because they never felt calm for decades then you i have them i tell them so now you go back into memory when you were a child whatever event it was where you felt the most scared worried or angry and then whatever they event they pick they go back to that and i have then you breathe another couple of minutes, however long it takes.

39:41And it will be shorter and shorter the more you practice it. And then I'm like, so what would you tell this little boy or this little girl right now if you could say something? They speak it out loud. And then I feel that. So they feel it. And then from that place, I'm like, so now you're in the present moment. You realize subconsciously that it's actually just talk to you in a child and you're grown up already. So that bridge, you gap this bridge so you understand it's just a memory. And then from that place, most of the time there's tears, whatever. And then I tell them, okay, so whatever you felt, I say, I always bring God in the center.

40:26I said, thank you God for helping me release the fear I felt when I was five years old because of X, Y, and Z. It's no longer mine to carry. thank you for helping release it now so I know there's something really powerful about when we speak the word God out because what you said in the beginning this makes even more sense now because if the devil controls everything and the first the second we speak God in existence when we really speak it out loud the devil has no control anymore so that's like it's like fire and ice right so all of a sudden you speak it out you let it go and then it's like the more you do that i do that constantly thank you god for letting this stuff go the more it's just another practice but you free yourself from hundreds of pounds of baggage yeah that we're carrying around and the more the lighter we become energetically right emotionally the lighter we

41:32Darin Olien:want to be in our life you know and it and it and it and it does show up that way it does show i mean just describing that practice that you bring people through it's like it's i think of it as life disruptions in the good way right because we're just automated we're just like again 95 of the subcon we're just making those those decisions we think we're free will but mostly they're just automating yeah and so like when you get to sit with someone and like disrupt the automation and interject with an awareness an expanded awareness and to be able to bridge the pain because again you're facilitating their inner healing so it becomes them healing them exactly right and it's less about you or any facilitator a good facilitator facilitates the person connecting to themselves in the space and creating that and i i mean i went through from 2025 I couldn't move, couldn't sit in this chair without being in severe pain.

42:54Darin Olien:And so my back led me back to birth trauma and like, oh, I thought I hit this. I thought there was more. And so not to get into that whole thing, but I then went about 100 days into a program where I was diving into disrupting everything in my life. There it is, there it is, mirror, mirror, mirror, like setting it up all over the place. And I, dude, I felt literally, I felt 200 pounds lighter. It's amazing. It's, it's, it's, I just say that to say the thing that people even listening to this right now will not stop. They will not stop and just breathe for 10 seconds. They won't do it. They won't do it.

43:49Darin Olien:Anyone listening right now, like, bullshit, I'm going to do it. They're not going to do it. I dare you, any of you guys. I dare you right now, even hit pause on this thing. Like, stop it and just breathe for 10 seconds with nothing. No music, nothing. I challenge you because it's like if we did that all of us take responsibility shift it down turn off your phone it is fucking so much noise bro I know there is so much noise and using this analogy of like the devil's done this work and it's like now it's dumping our brains into apps and you know you know sleep devices and like like i i'm all for like things to facilitate the body 100 but like when you're dumping when you're dumping your brain into claude chad gpt 24 7 you're not thinking and you're not sitting You're not receiving.