Episode 328

29:14Take some deep breath. Take care. The detective had obviously seen people cry before, but it seemed like David had been holding a whole lot of tears back for some reason. He was a big lumberjack-looking guy, at least six feet tall, But in the police station, he was reduced to the sobs of a child over the loss of his best friend.

29:44You guys were pretty close, weren't you? Yes, sir.

29:53How close were you and Brad? Very close. How close were you guys? We were very close. I thought I was my best friend. Have you ever lost a best friend? I'm sure it's really hard. But being best friends with someone and being really close to them are two kind of very different things. David, here's some stuff on your fence, a little questionable. Yes, sir. Kind of sounds like you and Brad were boyfriend-boyfriend. Oh, no, sir. We weren't boyfriend-boyfriend. I think he kind of shocked us. Did you guys have sex together? There's a few times in the past where, you know, he's attempted a lot. And we've kind of fooled around a little bit in the past.

30:50It's okay. But was it okay? David was married with kids, a wife, and a life built around routine and appearances. Brad was his best friend. According to detectives, that part didn't matter. This wasn't about judgment. It was about honesty. Hey, look. I'm being one of the years. Well, this is... 2017. This is between us, okay? Yes, sir. There's some stuff on your phone. Did anybody know about you guys? My wife doesn't know. We've moved around before. I mean, that was... When was the last time you guys fooled right now? It's... It's been a while. It hasn't been recently. I know that. Is that what's on your phone?

31:39The guy... The video you took of the guys having sex? Is that Brad and you or... The video I took. Yeah, it's on your phone. I'm... The... The machine we use is... Yes, sir. I understand. It brings all the... Devices and stuff that sucks up. It sucks the whole phone out. Yes, sir. stuff he deleted. Yes, sir, I understand.

32:03So text messages, too. Yes, sir, I understand. The text messages paint a picture of a whole lot more than friendship, put it that way. It was a very deep, deep friendship, if you catch my drift. They were fucking, basically. Not only did David try to minimize the activities in their relationship, but he also denied that these activities were sex.

32:54I'm sorry. For what? My blood doesn't know. Your blood doesn't know? I'm sorry.

33:07Was Brad in love with you, David?

33:12I couldn't tell you that he was in love with me. I mean, we did the whole, all right, bud, love you, I love you too kind of thing. Like, you could ask my son when we left Saturday. So they told each other casually, love you, bud. I don't know, but maybe that's what bros do in 2017. I'm really not sure. I'm really too old for that. But all the other stuff, I'll tell you right now, that's not something bros do. Pretty sure. Pretty sure about that one. The next question the detective asked was even more personal and would be an essential part of the investigation. There's a used condom in this trash can that's going to the lab.

33:58I have a feeling your DNA is going to be on that condom. Oh, no, sir. No? You sure? Yes, sir. Never? No, sir. So Brad and David may have been fooling around, to put it lightly. But DNA analysis confirmed he was telling the truth. The contents of the condoms were someone else's. Maybe Richie, a guy Brad would call sometimes for company. And it wasn't like Brad was slutting around. In fact, he didn't want another boyfriend. He wanted David. But David asked him to find boyfriends from time to time, almost like decoys, to keep people from knowing about the two of them. So the police would check into this Richie lead, and anyone else who might have been there recently.

34:48But for now, the detectives would squeeze as much as they could out of David. How many times? For how long? It was off and on for a long time. It was just kind of like a... Did he ever tell you had feelings for him? No. It was a while back he came out. It was me and my wife, Boats. You know, my wife even knows that you need me coming out to the new one point in time. I did have feelings for her, but she said, I understand that you're marrying her kids. And my wife was part of that whole situation. Does she know you guys ever did anything together? When was the last time you guys didn't do anything together?

35:33Um, it's been a little while. When asked to clarify, it turns out that a little means a few weeks. if you believe him, that is. And when asked the burning question, David said that one thing was off limits. At least that's what he said. Then again, he lied a lot. To his wife and kid. To everyone, actually. Never had any butt sex? No, sir. The one thing that was kind of big is he tried to get me and I told him I didn't want to. He tried to... He asked me to. To do him in the butt? No, he just asked me to... to have sex. Oh. He never got to that point, sir. No, never? No, sir. Okay. Well, so you sure it's not going to be your DNA on that call?

36:29Yes, sir. I mean, you didn't realize that it is or it isn't. The detective was good at making David relax. Probably not as good as Brad was, but I digress. He needed all the information to get to the bottom of what was becoming a mystery. No detail was untouchable, as personal and as explicit as it might be. But there was one thing that David was particularly concerned about. His wife finding out. And this was odd because all of Brad's friends seemed to think she already knew about her husband's affair with him. I don't know who would have told you that she knows. Four different people. unrelated.

37:10No, sir. Brad told them. No, sir. Brad told them this. No, sir. Brad lost all that weight because he wanted to keep you. No, sir. My wife has no idea about this. Brad, did you leave her? No, sir. He's even told me before, like, I understand you're not going to leave your wife and kids. This interview made soap operas seem boring. So, Brad is in love with David, and David is married to a woman with kids. David and Brad are best friends, though, and David appreciates the friendship as well as the favors Brad does for him. Cookouts, holidays, and barbecues, a little smoke, and a lot of heat. But the interrogation room was a pressure cooker, and the detective was about to crank it up to 11.

38:00David was brought in as a witness, but he was starting to look like something else. You got this wall. Oh, that's not my hand on that guy's ass having sex or anything. But look, is there some other dude with your tattoo? No, sir, if you show me that picture, I could hear it. Yeah. I wish you would. It's coming. I picture it. It's coming. I'll show you. It's you. Oh, my God. That's coming. It's, but it's you. I mean, do you think I'm making this shit up? No, sir, but I've never taken any pictures of me having sex with somebody. I have pictures of my family fucking my wife. David was telling the truth about that.

38:40The picture the detective was describing happened to be a picture of David having sex with his wife. Not a man. Easy to mistake, I guess. Depending on the angle. Yikes. So far, David hadn't confessed. The killer may have been someone else, but David still had some explaining to do. And it was complicated when he had so much more to hide. So you drove by his house, you didn't stop? No, sir. I drove by his house and he was not home. I put it in, it's in my phone, sir. I swear to God. Listen, you drove by, he wasn't home. How long were you there? I wasn't there that long. How long? I don't know. This is, oh my God, sir.

39:31You're telling me you just drove by. Did you stop at all? I drove by the house. I pulled off. He was not home. You're talking seconds, minutes? A couple minutes? That's it. Yes, sir. I even sat there on my phone. I sat there on my phone. David said this occurred after he went to Rural King. He stopped by Brad's, waited around for a few minutes, and then went home.

40:11You guys really think seriously? I'm not going to tell you I think. David, look at me. I'm going to tell you I know. I knew you had something to do with Rastell. How could... What else could it be? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yes, sir. I understand how this looks. I've known the man eight years. Right now, there's GPS in your whole day. I've known the man eight years. How long you were at that house. I'm going to tell you right now, it's just your chance to get in front of this. Yes, sir. You're not the type of guy that would do something like that. No, sir. I would not kill him. There's got to be something to it.

40:51There's gotta be a reason. Oh my God, I would not do this. I would not do this. You're a father. Yes, sir. You're a husband. Yes, sir. You can get in front of this and tell me what the hell happened. I gotta put it together. Oh my God. We got it all. It's all on the phone. I know, sir. We're there. We know exactly when he was killed. Yes, sir. I know. You were there when he was killed. No, sir. I was not at his house when that man was murdered, sir. I can't. This is the kind of shit that gets people in trouble. Oh, my God. I know. You better have to get with it. Sir, what do you want me? I'll tell you anything.

41:29I don't know what happened. What? Oh, my God. What are you telling me? There's nothing I'm not telling you. I did not kill Brad. I did not kill Brad. Did your wife kill Brad? Oh, my God. No. What the hell's going on? Oh. I don't know about the rest of you fellow cis males out there. But listening to Mr. Mackey here wail uncontrollably is a little uncomfortable. Either David was hiding something huge or he was the killer. By the way, what are the awards soap operas give out? The Daytime Emmys? David gets a Daytime Emmy. Remember how a minute ago he said, I'll tell you everything? He was just about to do that.

42:18but what I saw there, what I read, what I've been trying to read what I saw, what I believe is somebody panicked and opened all the doors in the house to make it look like something and it was like shit, shit, shit, shit, what do I do? Yes sir but I want you to look me straight in the eye and you and I want to tell you if you had anything to do with Brad's death we will bring you to jail I know So listen to me now. And listen to me good like you never listened to anybody in your whole life. You understand? Yes, sir. I'm probably going to get a lot of grief over this, but I got a theory. I think it might have been an accident.

42:59David is unraveling. But even now, he denies that he killed Brad. Instead, he starts to talk about that day. And now, it sounds like maybe there's more to this than anyone realized. When Brad called me, he wanted me to meet up with him at his house before me and the wife and kids came out. Great. So I went to his house and I sat there and I waited on him and I waited on him. And he shows up. He had another guy with him. Great. I don't know who he was. I don't know his name. I swear on everything that's fucking holy right now. What happened? He was to get out of the car. I could walk it over. Rats up.

43:49Run. Unload the back of his BMW. Then what happened? This is the horror part, isn't it? David, let it go. I can't. Look at me. Let it go. Get it off that chest. You'll feel better, I guarantee it. God. You heard a gunshot? You heard a gunshot? Yes, sir. Then what happened? I went running back to my car. Uh-huh. And the guy came running out of the garage. Okay. And he got into Brad's BMW. Okay. And then I left. Oh. Okay. Okay. I'm so scared. It's okay. he knew what I looked like. My vehicle was there. I did not know what to do. At one point after Detective Alar hears about the third person, he turns towards the camera and makes a what the fuck kind of face.

44:54So one of the first stories he gave me was, oh, well, I was there and this mysterious person was with Brad and I heard a gunshot, so I left. and I'm like okay well David I said so you hear a gunshot your dear friend's inside you think something's going on so you leave you go home you get your wife and kid and come back and he's like well this is what happened so then he's like well I was in the basement and this guy got out of Brad's car and you know he just went crazy and he shot Brad and he put a gun to my head and told me if I said anything, I'm next. I'm like, okay. So you go home, you leave there, this mysterious one-armed man.

45:46And he didn't really have one arm in the story. That's a reference to the fugitive. I said, so this guy kills Brad, tells him he's going to kill you, and you leave. He's like, yeah. I was like, so you go home and get your family and come back to find Brad's body? Why? It was still possible that David had just been a bystander. But with every new detail, that was less and less likely. So quarter till 10 till... Oh God, I kept saying, I need to call the cops, I need to call the cops, I need to call the cops. I didn't know what happened. David, look at me. I'm a cop. You're telling me now. Oh my God.

46:30Do you know why this guy shot Brad? No, sir. What did Brad say to this guy? Oh, my God. Did you know anything? It was time to call David out on his bullshit. I did not kill Brad McGarry. You guys are going to try to put this on me. I know you are. Now we got one more man who shows up. Oh, my God. David, the evidence. It's not me. Dad, this guy wasn't there. There was. Where did he go? Did he fly? What else would I... You got the shovel out, bud. No, sir, I swear to God, sir. I swear to God. I'll peek away from you because you're going to get struck by lightning. Oh, my God. This is all fucking coming down on me now.

47:15Well, because you did it. Oh, sir, I did not kill my fucking best friend. Hey, David. Listen, like I told you, I was all with you there for a while. Sir, I did not kill my best friend. You're kind of insulting me. I didn't want to kill him. I never did. Sir, I don't know. Is it your wife? No, sir. You sure? Yes, sir. I'm going to have to go ask her. No, sir, that's fine. The detective was using every tactic he had, and still, David insisted that he wasn't Brad's killer. I mean, let's love each other. Two guys having a beer at a bar.

47:53What the fuck? What the fuck indeed. I mean, you can do whatever you want, and I hope you have the right to do whatever you want, and all of the rights that everyone else has, of course, but still. Ew. Right? Next, he points out that the chief of police lives on Brad Street, and happens to have cameras everywhere. He tells Brad that if he pulls out that footage, he's pretty sure he'll see a BMW pull into the driveway, and Brad will be in it, but the seat next to him will be empty. He had just given David numerous opportunities to be truthful. His life actually depended on it. But David just wouldn't be straight with him.

48:39Pun intended. I'm not talking because I like to hear me talk. I mean, this is serious goddamn shit. You gotta see that the things you keep telling me, And listen, I'm at the point now, I don't think that you're telling me this stuff because you care about what I think. I'm going to tell you something. I still hold on hope that you're not an ass. I'm thinking you can't admit it to yourself what happened. Because you immediately made up this grandiose story right away. And you believed it. You believed it. You made yourself believe it. Because you can't live with yourself about what happened. because he was your best friend and you loved him.

49:22He was more than your friend. He was your heart, wasn't he? Me and Brad loved each other, but... You loved him. He was my heart. You loved this man, and there's no shame in it. You understand? There ain't no shame in loving somebody. No matter what color they are, they got a dick or three pussies. It doesn't matter. You love him, you love him. Those are some pearls of wisdom right there. Finally, it seemed like David was ready to confront himself and tell the detectives what actually happened. Tell me what happened. In front of it. Me and Brad, we were really close. I know. You know, I love them.

50:05Not like I do my wife, you know what I mean? But I know. I love them. What happened? I want you to know before, I didn't shoot him. Then you shot him. I did not shoot him. Tell me what happened.

50:21Somebody did shoot him. Tell me what happened. David tells them that while he's at Brad's, a man he doesn't know comes into the place and starts an argument. And Brad accuses him of taking money. It turns violent. Listen, I'm going to run this bullshit down. You can run this bullshit down, but I'm going to tell you, sir. It was like a... I don't want to shoot him. I can't bring myself to shoot anybody unless my life is threatened, okay? There was a big fucking argument between whose dick is bigger and the money. Okay. Is this guy real or not? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That guy is real. He and Brad have argued about it before.

51:03I'm assuming he means that he and Brad argued about this guy before. I wonder what they argued about. Not sure. In any case, it was another false lead. The detective was again sure that footage would show only two people on 358 Wagner Avenue that day, Brad and David. This was a personal issue between the two of them, and Detective Villar had a theory. It involved stolen money, which was one of the few truths in David's story. This is some fucking TV movie of the shit stuff here. Yes, sir. Don't worry. Here's what I think happened.

51:46Anything that this guy here that you're coming up with and creating, okay, I'm thinking this is you putting all your guilt into this guy because you can't limit yourself for what happened. Brad's mad at this guy, and you're mad at this guy for stealing Brad's money. Brad accused you of stealing his money. If you did or didn't, it's irrelevant. But Brad accused you of taking your money. You were so upset that the man named Love thought he accused you and he's dead, that you totally dumped all your guilt and your accountability into this dude who doesn't exist. Yes, sir. Okay. That's some crazy shit, man.

52:26I ain't never seen anybody so upset or sick of themselves that they went to this extreme. It's crazy, sir. I didn't shoot him. This was yet another lie. And there was still one lie left. This one, David hadn't said out loud. Not yet, anyway.

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55:13Two men in Ohio. David is straight, allegedly, married and has children, and his best friend Brad is gay. Somewhere along the way, their friendship crosses a line into a sexual affair. All of Brad's friends know this DJ. this man Brad is in love with, but is David in love with Brad? This may never be known. He claims he loves him, but not like he loves his wife. They all say David's wife is onto the whole thing, but David insists she knows nothing other than David confessing to her that Brad has told him how he feels about him. But hey honey, no worries, he tells her. I'm not going anywhere, and there's nothing going on between us.

56:02Winky face, winky face. Now Brad is dead, and it's looking very much like David is the killer. At the very least, he was present during the time of the murder, so he's either guilty of being an accomplice, since he waited to call police, or he's just guilty all the way around. In any case, he knew Brad was lying face down in a pool of blood, dead of gunshot wounds to his head in his basement. And what does David do? He takes his wife and younger daughter to the house, pretending he doesn't know any of this. He subjects his young daughter to the trauma of seeing dead Uncle Brad. But after all the stories and all the lies, Detective Alar was closing in.

56:48And David was about to reveal the final version of his truth. You took your own daughter past the body of a man you knew that was dead. And maybe, I don't know if your wife's involved with it or not yet. Okay? No, sir. We're going to find out. No, sir. She is not, sir. We're going to find this out very shortly. Yes, sir. Do you understand? Yes, sir. The toys are going to look you in the eye and tell you. Yes, sir. If I had to tell her about you and Brad or not, I heard she already knows. That's what I kept being told today. And listen, people that I'm talking to, my team's talking to, they don't know each other.

57:27Yes, sir. Okay? It's like Brad's friend from when he was a hairdresser and he worked at a gym salon that doesn't know Brad's cousin who came in from Florida, who talked to Brad about all the problems he's having with you at the wedding. Okay? and wait for it, Brad abruptly leaves his dinner with his family, saying he's going to meet. Guess who? Who's he going to meet? Yes, sir. He's not going to pick up another dude to bring to your house. He says he's going to meet with you because he wants to have sex with you. You heard Detective Alar ask if David's wife, Sherry, was involved. That brings in a whole new layer of suspicion.

58:14Though she was never brought in as a suspect, there could only be one reason she would know about this and go along with her husband having a gay affair. The reason is the same reason people have been doing shady things for millennia. Do I have to spell it out? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's money, it's money. The root of all evil, you know, all that. Apparently, Brad paid for all kinds of things for the Kinney family, not just for David. He provided elaborate birthday parties for the kids, bought them household gifts, took them out to eat a lot. And get this. So one of the things we found out was that, you know, Brad was essentially a part of David's family.

59:02The kids called him Uncle Brad. He paid for a lot of things for the Kennys, vacations, birthday parties, things of that nature. And both Sherry and David told us that they were getting ready to go on a cruise together, all of them together. You know, which you think, you know, you're going on a cruise with your wife and your lover at the same time. That made us kind of wonder about Sherry. You know, did she know this was going on? So while Sherry's involvement is unconfirmed to this day, that gun is smoking. Speaking of guns, it definitely did not go down the way Brad described. That was his last lie.

59:47Trying to say that Brad was waving it at him, and he felt threatened. So he took the gun from him. But then what? The threat is gone, right? No more gun pointing at him. So why shoot him? Not once, but twice. It's hard, you know, when it was like our situation. I love my wife and kids to death. You love Brad, too? I did. I mean, real tight, man. Real tight. Sometimes you think about leaving your wife for him? Okay. I told him numerous times, and I'm not going to leave my wife. I mean, kind of come to the conclusion that he understood. Okay. But I told him, I said, and things are going to have to start to stop.

1:00:41No doubt it was hard, as David put it. But self-defense was out of the question. He tried to allege that Brad was slapping him around before pointing the gun in his direction. Keep in mind that Brad was about a foot shorter than David, and not only was David a big guy, a bear, you might say, he was also rugged and muscular, unlike Brad. All he had to do was walk out of the house. He told me, he said, if you end all of this now, then I'm done with you forever. He said, that's it. I told him, I said, man, we can't just drop each other like this. Listen, you're my best friend. I'm your best friend.

1:01:28That's when he said, you need to leave your wife. He said, this has been going on for too long. You need to leave your wife. Okay. I told him, I said, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore, I'm done. David claimed that Brad was guilt-tripping him and accusing him of playing with his emotions. That he couldn't believe he wouldn't leave his wife. David claimed he never said anything different than that. And Brad always knew. Maybe parts of this version were true. Maybe David was the man arguing with Brad. Brad wanted him to leave his wife, but David refused. And rather than split up and risk their relationship being outed, he shot him in the head.

1:02:10It's also possible that David was milking Brad for everything he had, including stealing money from him. Someone had stolen money, but the culprit was never proven. And maybe Brad finally called him out on his thievery. Why'd you shoot him? He's coming at me with his gun, man. I thought you said you took his gun from him. I did. So you had another gun? No, the Derringer. Oh. You take his gun from him? Yes, sir. You said you shot him? Yes, sir. Tell me why you shot him. I felt threatened. I'm not going to lie to you. He claimed, I'm not going to lie to you. Not only did David sit there for hours and hours telling one lie after another, but his whole life was a lie.

1:02:58His whole marriage was tainted with lies. if he felt threatened it was because he was scared he couldn't have his way scared his wife would leave him or scared of admitting that maybe he was actually gay gasp i don't know if you know it or not but it's 2025 nobody gives a shit do whatever you want maybe just don't lie to your family and make them live a whole lie that they don't even know about you know be a decent human being Detective Alar promised David he'd let him know if he had to tell his wife about the affair, assuming she didn't already know. Well, that time had come. It was time to tell his wife.

1:03:47What the hell is going on? I need to know that you have my back. And that everything I'm doing to you is the truth from here, okay? And I love you and the kids. I don't want you to be there for me, okay? Brad had another gun at the house. He had a.22 there injured. I went to Brad's house to meet up with him after the wedding. He was fighting with me because he had some money. Come up this, and I didn't take no money off of Brad. I never stole money from Brad. He always gave me money. You're done to be focused. Listen, just listen to me. I went to his house, and I told him, I said, listen from here on out it's just friend Judy can't be anything more else because Brad is you know how Brad was with me okay he flipped out listen to me please just let me talk Sherry will you please let me talk he flipped out on me and he grabbed the 22 Derringer and he before he even did that he slapped me around a little bit after I told him this was it OK?

1:04:58You are a fucking kid. Listen. No. I'm kidding. I'm looking at you. You know, he came at me with that gun, OK? He came at me with that gun because I told him. He wants me to leave you guys. I told him now that he'd come at me with that gun. No. I didn't share myself. No. Sherry, I was fucking scared. I didn't know what to do. I was scared I didn't know what to do. She knew. She knew. You can tell. She may have been lying to herself and everyone around her, but she knew. Deep down. David was scared, but he wasn't scared of Brad. He was scared of everything but Brad. He continued to lie repeatedly to his wife for the next half an hour, only admitting what she probably already knew that he and Brad had fooled around but it had been a while he said since they had.

1:06:02The only real question she had for David was how long had it been. She desperately wanted to know the last time they had sex together probably because she did know about the affair and David had likely made promises of stopping before but didn't. but Sherry finally gave in and told him she'd be there for him and to stay strong. They embraced each other for a long hug. They kissed several times. They told each other they loved each other and David went to jail. You know, I've had harder trials, but it was a rough trial. We thought we had a, you know, still think we had a really good case, but you never know.

1:06:46You never know what a jury's going to do. But at the end of the day, you present a good case, you get a good result. And this was a good case. I mean, everybody played by the rules, colored in the lines. There was nothing out there that we were worried about. I think David thought that his self-defense story would win the day, but it was just so ridiculous that no one bought it. I know one thing that was talked about, our prosecutor deciding to charge David with aggravated murder, we believe that's what it was. But could we prove prior calculation and design? Can we prove that he went there with the intention to kill?

1:07:31there was a lot of evidence to support that, but that was definitely a hot topic issue with the trial. And defense counsel, who did an excellent job, really tried to keep that from happening. But, you know, the evidence won the day and he was convicted on everything we charged him with. Finally, we get to the truth of what actually happened. Here it is. Brad was shot twice in the back of the head. The first bullet entered near the crown at a downward angle, as if he were turning or crouching. He would have lived after this one. The second one hit lower, driving forward into his skull. He never saw it coming.

1:08:14Brad was found face down in the basement, lying in his blood near his hot tub. There were bruises on his face. His phone was still in his pocket. Nothing in the house had been stolen, but the drawers were open. Like someone had tried to make it look that way. David Kinney would claim it was self-defense and that Brad had confronted him. Things had gotten heated, and he pulled the trigger out of fear. But the evidence suggested a very different story. There were zero signs of a struggle. No defensive wounds, just two bullets to the back of the head. And David had brought the gun with him that day.

1:08:58To anyone's best guess, Brad didn't even own a Derringer. So the other thing about the scene that we had was that basement was very cluttered. And we knew at the time we were dealing with a small caliber, but we didn't know how small. But typically, laws of averages, when you're dealing with small calibers, probably going to be a 22. So we're looking for shell casings. And I think for the next week, we searched that basement. At one point, we actually took everything out of that basement. Everything, every box, everything, period. And looked for shell casings. Never found any. So typically that'll tell us that you're probably dealing with a revolver or someone found the shell casings and picked them up.

1:09:56One of David's many stories was that he took Brad's Derringer off of him, which is a revolver or a contained weapon, depending on the model, and where the casings stay in the weapon after they're fired. And that's what he shot him with. But, you know, I just don't know. I believe that David took a weapon there to kill Brad. You know, it was his plan to kill him. I mean, I think that the evidence supports that most definitely. So we don't know what kind of gun it was. Just it was a.22. Not for sure. To detectives, it wasn't panic. It was fear. It was a plan. David claimed he chucked the gun in a certain location along the highway, but it was never found.

1:10:48We asked Detective Alar for his take on David's character. I think there's a little bit of monster in everybody, and some are worse than others. And, you know, like I said before, I understand. You know, I know I've been, there's been several times in my life where if things blew a different way, I might have been capable of murder. I think everybody, if they're honest with themselves, they can agree with that. And, you know, it's the fact that you've got to tame your own monster, you know, and you get to that point. You know, you can either be a decent human being and you let the monster win.

1:11:29And in this case, you know, David Kinney let the monster win. David Kinney, the Flaming Queen, was convicted of aggravated murder and sentenced to life in prison, without the possibility of parole plus three years for the firearm. His wife was cleared of any involvement with the murder. For a time, it appears, she stayed by his side. They were still married for several years after his conviction. But by 2024, her life had taken a different turn. Public posts suggested she eventually remarried quietly, moving on from the man at the center of one of Ohio's most intimate betrayals. There's no public word on how her children have coped, either by the loss of their dad or Uncle Brad.

1:12:20But one can only hope they've had support and counseling needed to navigate away from something so ugly. This wasn't just a story about murder. It was a story about betrayal. It was about trust fractured across every layer of small-town life. It was about the damage that a secret can do to a family when it's fed, protected, and finally exposed.

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