Episode 344

26:37I'm getting help to you, okay? I'm getting help to you. Yeah, thank you. Do you know who did this? Pardon? Yeah, well, before I go further, I want to tell you that our security door in the garage door is always open. I mean, it is never locked. I need you to answer my questions, okay? I understand this is very hard, and I'm getting you lots of help. But how were they hurt? Were they shot? Were they stabbed? Can you tell me how they were injured? They were stabbed. not a step day somebody use a hammer or I don't know you know where are you at now where are you at my apartment I am in my apartment I need you to step out I don't want you to be in there okay oh step out okay okay have you touched anything well I went into the room I just looked at my wife's purse, my daughter's purse, their IDs were gone.

27:44All the things are upset down, you know. Okay. Okay. So do the officers, if the security building, can they come in here still? Yes, we have lots of people coming. We even have an ambulance coming, okay? Who did this? Okay, thank you. Can you tell me who did it? Yeah, well, we had a long enmity with our nephew, Regin.

28:14is he there oh no no he he ran away from our home and he just goes all over the places he's in gangs and here and there and i just want to make sure so your wife and daughter are currently inside the apartment in which room? Master bedroom. They're in the bedroom? Master bedroom. Okay. Do you have any weapons? Me? No. Okay. So wife and daughter are both in the master bedroom? No, they are not in the master bedroom. They were sleeping. I don't know what to explain, but they are in the living room right now. Okay, in the living room. Okay, thank you. Am I the only one disturbed, by the way, She says, okay, thank you.

29:00Like it's just a routine checklist she's going through. Like she's asking for the ingredients to make a batch of cookies. Maybe it's just me. And are you in the hallway? No, I'm going in the hallway because I want to put on my jacket. It's very cold there. Okay. My officers are there, though, and they need you to not be in the apartment, okay? Okay. So let me know when you stepped out into the hallway, because my officers are going to meet you in the hallway. Okay. Okay, and when did you, how long ago did you find them? What time did you come home and find them? I don't know, man. I don't know.

29:39Okay. I don't know. I have no idea. And you're in N as in Nancy? You go? Yeah. Did you catch any inconsistencies? Englewood police were starting to rethink the idea that the suspects were on the loose somewhere. Now let's rewind just a little bit. Remember this neighbor? Is everything okay? She had mentioned earlier that she had seen Reginald that day, around the same time that he said he had discovered his wife and daughter's bodies. I went to the liquor store around like three or four, and he was leaving, he locked his apartment and was walking to his car, and then I got in my car and then I saw him come back.

30:23She texted me at 3.55. That's when she left? Yeah, so I was like, you want to come over? Yeah. And I was at the liquor store when you texted me back. And he is leaving as you were leaving? Yeah. Well, he went to his car. Okay. I saw, I was like, hi. He normally says hi to me and he didn't say anything. He just kind of kept walking. Did he acknowledge you? He said hi and then kept walking. Normally he'll like stop and chat with me. Okay. So he locked his door and then he came. Yeah, and then he went to the parking lot. And while I was going in the parking lot, he walked past me and didn't say anything and then came back.

31:02Okay. Which I thought was kind of weird because then I was like, oh, he's probably leaving. That's why I saw you guys out there. I was like, I need to go talk to you guys. Yeah, absolutely. Right after this officer leaves the woman's apartment, he tells his colleagues they'll be changing course. Thank you. Thank you.

31:27We need to find a car. Are you good? We need to find a car? We need to find a car. Why? Around 3.55 today, she was going to the store. She saw him walk to the car. He had locked the door, locked the car, doesn't know what he did in the car, but he came back. What kind of car is it? It's a white sedan, possibly on the same floor that we're at. They have a... Go look for it. So someone goes over to the adjoining parking garage to find Reginald's SUV. And when they do, everything kind of starts to make sense. He locked the door at$355. So he probably should have seen. I probably agree about it. And then, she doesn't know when he came back?

32:07No.

32:11I didn't see if there was any warmth to them or not. I didn't either.

32:19I don't think this was done in two hours. Some of it, but, dude, there's a lot more missing. Did you see the towels that were stuffed in here in this one? And then did you see down the front of the trash can? Any indication of why they had placed the guy's assessment? So not yet, but we just were informed by Bryce that it sounds like he, dad left at 355. His neighbor saw him driving at his car. And so Bryce is going to locate the car right now with the neighbor that saw it. That was around 4. And she's saying, if I'm hearing what Bryce said correctly, he locked this door, left of the car, and came back.

32:56So dad might be here. That might be our suspect. Potentially. I'm going to go see what Bryce has at the car. You guys good here? Oh, yeah, yeah, we're good. Stay here with the Crank-seam on. Detective Aloise walks to the parking garage and spots his colleague, who's peering in through the windows of the SUV. Just tell it. It's flat.

33:19Stay with this car and let me touch it. Hey, who's? You know, we'll be nice. Yeah, we'll be nice. The backseat of the SUV is completely flat, so I got Bryce sitting on it. The apartment complex has its own trash system, one that doesn't require any kind of rolling cans you'd leave on the side of the road. Could Reginald have flattened the back seats to make room for the new trash cans that were now in his apartment? With this possibility in mind, they have to find a neighbor with a doorbell camera. They need to get footage of whoever brought those trash cans into the apartment. Hi there. Can I come in for a second?

34:02Yeah, you're going. How are you guys doing? I'm Brent. I'm with the police department, obviously. Are you seeing the angle with that? Yeah. I'm seeing you guys might have some video or something. Yeah, I have on the video doorbell there. I'm not entirely sure what times. I think he said around 330 was one of them. Okay. But it just catches clips. I think this was one that they were looking at. So you know what I'm looking for? Is someone dragging a trash can, a couple trash cans. Okay. Like the rolling ones. Oh, gosh. Yeah, we hear that sometimes at night. Do you guys get rolled trash cans here, or do you put your trash outside and they collect it?

34:48They collect it, but they have like a big, like... Like one of those ones you see in a school, right? Yeah, that they push and then come by and collect them. In this 911 call, Reginald weirdly mentions that whoever did this must have started the cleanup process and couldn't finish it. Was he talking about himself? I mean, who breaks into a place, kills people, and then tries to remove the bodies? Why would you do that unless you lived there? The car discovery, paired with Reginald's claim that his wife and daughter's purses were empty, prompted a search of the big dumpsters on the ground floor of the apartment complex.

35:29Inside, they found an Xfinity bill addressed to Reggie McLaren, a credit union bank statement for the couple, numerous ID cards for Ruth, three of Bethany's driver's licenses, and both women's social security cards. All of these items had been cut up. They found bloody clothes, too. This all wasn't looking very good. The next logical step was to find out which hardware store the rolling trash cans were from. Maybe they'd even be able to get security camera footage of Reginald buying the items. So, the deputy went to nearly every store in the area. Finally, he arrived at a particular Home Depot.

36:43Yeah, if you can follow him from his car, see where his car is Unless he didn't go past this because

36:55Forgot where he took Is that him? Yeah, that's him It's taking a long time to like his items Yeah While he's in the like in the tools actually In the trash cans Trash cans Yeah There he is So he's already picked the trash cans That's crazy I never thought I would come up to that I've always thought You see these people with these items You wonder what they use it for Last time when I was cashiering I saw a guy with a tarp Shovel and like Rockets and gloves and I was like Oh my god, it looks so sketchy And stuff No. No, no. Her enthusiasm is cute, isn't it? Bet you never thought she'd be in a real-life episode of CSI.

37:49Anyway, this footage showed him not only purchasing the two trash cans, but also a Stanley brand handsaw. Good brand. He paid for all the items with cash. And remember that neighbor with the doorbell camera? He found footage from March 9th that showed Reginald wheeling his two brand new trash cans back to his apartment. Weird. Then there was that long-handled axe. Footage showed Reginald in Harbor Freight's checkout line with his axe in hand. Again, he used cash. This was all on March 9th, just before 4 p.m. Shortly after he got home that day, doorbell footage showed the three of them, Reginald, Bethany, and their daughter Ruth, all leaving the apartment.

38:39Then they get back around 7.15 p.m., having just gone on an outing with the man who would soon end their lives. While investigators rewound camera feeds and matched timestamps, a sense of disbelief washed over everyone. How could 81-year-old Reginald, elderly and frail, have done any of this?

39:19So the doctor asked him what happened, and Reginald said, oh, I made a mistake and that's why. The audio isn't perfect. It's from the body-worn camera of the officer sitting in Reginald's hospital room. Reginald calls the doctor, Doc. That might help you follow it a little bit better. Well, I was checking my doctor and everything to get the score. the doctor was saying something very serious. If I may, if I may. I heard that you went home and that you found some of your family there. Is that correct? Okay, I see. Well, you know, that... I'm not trying to be a joker. No, no, no, it's not right.

40:07I have lived here for 40 years and I'm 53 here. And I took care of my family very safely. And we were at the gym chair when we... I leave us a very lot of money at this game at H.E.T.U. nobody will hire me. Nobody will hire me. And the family keep pressing me to take an apartment and go there and I have no rent. I have it. And then I have some money here. Still I have$8 ,000 in my briefcase at home. But that was only for one month. And to sign a lease for$15 ,000. And I want to cut this to be short, doctor. I didn't want to see my family in the street bedding. I don't want to see. No matter what happened.

40:52But I just, because I see people on the road, and, you know, homeless, and this. That's a miserable situation. It would be better than I. And I also want to die. So you killed him? Uh-huh. Both of them. Okay. And then you passed out, is that correct? Then I passed out. The doctor asks him, So, you killed them? Both of them? And Reginald admitted that he had. I pray to God, he was in, Either you kill me, but I don't want to see my student begging bread on the street and get homeless. How will my daughter then live even for the one day? After this shockingly calm admission, So creepy, really. Reginald continued, telling the doctor that he used to work for HSS security company in a hospital setting.

41:55During his time there, he saw the harsh reality of homelessness every day. He said that after he lost his job, he knew that he and his family would end up like these people, begging on the side of the road. At his age, no one would hire him. To make matters worse, he said that they were being evicted. Bethany and Ruth were pressuring him to sign a lease on a new apartment, and Reginald said he was down to his last$8 ,000, which wouldn't be enough for first and last month's rent, plus a security deposit and his daughter's medication. 35-year-old Ruth lived with cerebral palsy and required constant monitoring.

42:41Her meds were$800 a month, according to Reginald, who really emphasized that he'd been taking care of his wife and daughter for 35 years. His family depended on him, relied on him. They couldn't survive without him. Apparently, it had just become too much. He said he'd started planning about 10 days prior. He just couldn't see any other way out.

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46:36On March 25th, 2023, from a hospital bed under police watch, 81-year-old Reginald McLaren calmly admitted he had murdered his wife and daughter. He said he'd spent decades supporting them. But when he lost his job and found out they were being evicted, he saw only one path forward. Everything, officer. I'm sorry? I can tolerate in life everything, you know. There were times when we had a hard time and days from bed, sickness, problems. But I could not see myself or my family back in the bed without holding it. According to Reginald, the plan had been in motion for a week. Here's what investigators believe happened that final day.

47:25Sometime in the early afternoon, he grabbed an axe, the one he bought at Harbor Freight. He set aside the handsaw that was for later. He purchased everything he needed using cash like the two rolling trash cans. He wheeled them through the parking lot by himself. They were now waiting in his living room, lids propped open. Bethany, his wife of nearly 40 years, was likely sitting on the couch. He struck her first, hard enough to slice through a major artery, causing a blood spray that painted the wall behind her. Then he turned on Ruth, hacking away at her. She was 35 years old, and Reginald said she had cerebral palsy.

48:11Detectives believe she may have been standing near the kitchen at the time. Later, they found the sink drain clogged with blood and hair. Clear evidence of an effort to clean up what was becoming an unmanageably messy situation. After they were both dead, Reginald used a combination of the axe and the saw to remove one of his wife's legs. It was harder than he imagined it would be, so he abandoned that idea. Instead, he forcibly bent Bethany and Ruth's limbs at awkward angles so they'd fit. He draped a towel over his wife, but it didn't cover much. He looked down out of breath and knew he still had to get both of these bins to stand up so he could roll them down the hall and into his SUV.

49:02One of Bethany's legs was still sticking out, lying on top of the open lid. Blood was starting to pool around each of the bins. Reginald panicked. His chest felt tight. He knew this feeling. Quickly, he cut up both of the women's identification cards, driver's licenses, and social security cards. He tossed the pieces down the trash chute into the apartment's main dumpster, along with bloody clothes and other personal effects. Then he picked up his phone and called the property manager, followed by 911. In his 911 call, Reginald said to the dispatcher, whoever did this probably started the cleanup, but got tired and gave up.

49:50And that's exactly what he did. During the process of hauling bodies, cleaning blood, and lugging heavy plastic bins into position, Reginald overexerted himself. He began to feel the familiar warnings of a heart attack. He'd already suffered four and had recently undergone open-heart surgery. He just got scared. Scared that he was about to die. Getting medical attention for himself became the number one priority. I wonder how he was going to pay for that. A horrifying crime in Englewood and the suspect talked about Colorado's housing crisis with investigators. The 81-year-old man told them he killed and dismembered his wife and daughter because he could no longer afford to pay the rent.

50:42They were murdered in an apartment building in the Englewood City Center just off Hampton Avenue in Santa Fe Drive. Karen Morfitt on the story tonight, and Karen the man, told police he didn't want his family to suffer through homelessness. During his arrest, he reportedly told police that he had no regrets because he felt like they were in a better place. Now, police responding today pleading for anyone who may be struggling to ask for help. According to the arrest affidavit, McLaren confessed to the murders, telling detectives he had recently lost his job and the family was about to be evicted.

51:16Having worked with the homeless population before, he told police he, quote, knew what a miserable life that was. Having planned for several days, he allegedly carried out those murders the morning they were to vacate. You know, he seemed distraught, maybe, and I don't know what the reasons for his actions were. I mean, that's part of our investigation. We're trying to determine why he did what he did. But as far as our dealings with him, he was more than cooperative. Now, McLaren is expected in court sometime later this week. We know the Arapahoe County Coroner's Office will identify those victims once their family is notified.

51:56Notifying extended family about Bethany and Ruth's deaths was more difficult than expected. Who were these women? The family had lived in the same building for years, and yet no one seemed to know them beyond their friendly smiles and the smell of food wafting from their unit. Well, Jim, and the sadness over this terrible, terrible crime is the realization that this family lived quietly in an Englewood apartment building. The mother and victim in this case, Bethany McLaren, was apparently from overseas. But without the help of her husband, the suspect finding her family has been difficult. And so the coroner's office has reached out for help.

52:35There was no one to claim Bethany and Ruth's bodies. No one to plan their funerals or give them a peaceful sign-off. When leaders at the Colorado-Nepal Alliance found out about this situation, they couldn't let it end like this. There had to be someone who knew and loved these women. They knew Bethany McLaren first got a social security number after arriving in the U.S. somewhere in the 80s and a little bit more, but no one knew her relatives. The coroner's office called you. Yeah, they called me the Tuesday after the murders. Anne Hines and Sangeeta Shrotria are both part of the Colorado-Nepal Alliance, and the coroner had found the mom, Bethany, had another name.

53:21The fact that her name was Pavitra was a good clue that she might, if she wasn't Nepali, that a thing of Nepali descent was likely. And so they set to work to find family to remember them and their past. They brought a photo of Bethany to a local funeral. Someone in the Englewood, Nepal community had passed away, and 600 people were in attendance, all people who might know these women. Somebody has to mourn these women. Yeah. Yeah. With a photo from Bethany McLaren's license, Sangeeta began to ask everyone she could in the 10 ,000-plus member Nepali community. So I took the picture to the funeral and said, do you guys know her?

54:03And there were around like 600 people, and nobody could tell that they knew her. Eventually, a man in Kansas responded, saying he remembered a woman named Pavitra. She'd helped him find a job back in Colorado years prior. When he saw her name in photo, he was pretty sure this was the same woman. So she was a kind woman. She was, yeah. Then after our reporting of the name got out, a woman reached out from India, one who as a little girl once posed for a photo with Ruth McLaren. Then she opened up, and it happened to be Pavitra's niece. The woman confirmed that she recognized both Bethany and Ruth.

54:46Apparently, Bethany was originally Pavitra Rana, born in northern India, but of Nepali origin. She worked as a nurse and eventually moved to the United States, where she married Reginald after meeting him through a newspaper ad, of all things. It looks like they had been in India for a few generations, because both of Pabitra and her sister were born in India. There are so many uncovered parts of the stories that we don't know yet about their life. I'm sure they have touched more life than we know. I'm sure they have too. They had succeeded in finding a needle in a haystack, one single member of Bethany's family.

55:28But they were too far away to help with the funeral. So these two women from the Colorado-Nepal alliance took it upon themselves. You didn't have to do this. Yeah, I did have to do it. Because... These women were so brutally murdered. Yeah. And so few people in the Denver metro area knew them. And I could not imagine that there weren't people there that were grieving for them. There was no family statement, no recent photo, no custom obituary. Instead, just a Bible verse. The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. He maketh me lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul.

56:23He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. Thou anointest my head with oil. My cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all of the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. No mention of her daughter, her work as a nurse, nothing. Bethany and Ruth McLaren lived quietly, but they died violently, and if not for the kindness of strangers, they would have been buried without anyone to grieve them.

57:23Everything we know about them comes from the fragments they left behind, whether it be a neighbor's memory, a community's sorrow, or a killer's version of events. And Reginald's side of the story was built entirely on his lies. Because here's the horrible truth. The McLaren family wasn't facing homelessness. Detectives recovered several documents addressed to Reginald and Bethany. One of those documents was a statement from a credit union. It showed an account balance of over$11 ,000. Keep in mind, this was just one of their accounts. In his hospital bed confession, Reginald had also mentioned a briefcase with$8 ,000 in it.

58:12If that doesn't convince you that his entire excuse was a lie, maybe this will. There was no evidence that Reginald and his family were about to be evicted whatsoever. There was no eviction notice, no court order, and it was just that their lease was up. So, that's it. It was all a lie. This wasn't a man pushed into a corner. Reginald had made a decision. He was done being the pillar of his family. He was done having a family altogether. It was on April 3rd, 2023, that Reginald was formally charged with two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of tampering with a deceased human body, and one count of false reporting.

59:03On January 23rd, 2024, he entered a not-guilty plea. His trial began in June of 2024. It was a somber, quiet courtroom. No one sat in the gallery behind the defense table. And no one sat behind the prosecutors. Well, at least there was no one in attendance that really knew the McLaren family. Anne Hines, the executive director of the Colorado-Nepal Alliance, attended the entire trial. Just like she'd helped plan Bethany and Ruth's burial, she wanted to be there when justice was finally served. Anne sounds like a nice person. We need more ants. This is Bethany when she was a nurse in the Indian Army.

59:49This is Ruth right here when she was young. The only pictures that the jury got to see of them were the pictures when they were dead. The hardest part for me was hearing how many times he had struck his daughter with an axe. The evidence shown at trial was convincing. After about a week in court and just a few hours of deliberation, the jury found him guilty on all charges. The prosecution had a very good case, and they just reiterated all the pre-planning that had gone into these murders. He had purchased the axe, the saw, and the trash cans. I think I was hoping to try to understand why these two murders had occurred, but I left without any answers.

1:00:41I thought maybe having him convicted might make me feel better, but I don't. Ruth and Bethany are still deceased. Anne, who had been in contact with Bethany's family in India, told them about the guilty verdict. One of Bethany's friends ended up writing a letter for the sentencing hearing. She asked Anne to read it on her behalf. I have known Pavitra Rana, also known as Bethany, for the last half a century. We both belong to Kalampong, a small hill town in eastern India. She was born, brought up, and did her schooling in one of the famous missionary schools, the Kalampong Girls High School. We worshipped in the same Presbyterian church.

1:01:22After her schooling, she did her diploma in nursing. In the late 1970s, she joined the Indian Army as a nursing officer in the rank of lieutenant. She continued working and was promoted to the rank of captain. Around 1986, she married Reginald McLaren. After marriage, she resigned from the army and moved with her husband to Denver, Colorado in the U.S. In 1996, she came to visit us in India with her husband and daughter. Thereafter, we were in occasional contact over the phone. Last I remember speaking with her was in 2015. After that, I was unable to contact her, despite trying many times. The tragic news came as a great shock, not only to me, but to all of those who knew her here in India.

1:02:06I would like to remember her as a fine and humble human being, a dependable friend, and a very helpful person. She liked to do embroidery and tatting laces in her free time. She was warm and friendly, but reserved socially. She was observant, and we shared many laughs at her impressions of friends and colleagues. May their souls rest in peace. Reginald, who was now 83 years old, received two consecutive life sentences. On top of that, the judge tacked on two 12-year sentences for tampering with deceased bodies and a 120-day sentence for false reporting, with credit for time served. In the end, no one remembered when they moved in.

1:02:54No one noticed the quiet lives of these women. And when they finally did, it was because the only person who ever saw them was the one who made them vanish.

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