Episode 354

29:48He accused you of murdering your husband. I did not murder my husband. Okay. Something to the effect of some kind of, I don't know, some kind of seeds or something and basically poisoning his drink. That would show me a toxicology report if that happened. Was there an autopsy done? Yes. There was an autopsy. Autopsy and toxicology. Okay. He died because he had pericarditis that was undetected. He had what? Pericarditis. It's the infomerate. The heart has pericardium around it. The lining of the heart that protects the heart when it beats. It went undetected. So it went on so long that the pericardium around the heart hardened and it stopped his heart.

30:34And he had a little bit of blocked arteries. That's an autopsy report. Okay. Well, if that's what the autopsy said, that's what it said. But she was still being accused of setting up the burglary. Do you, because I don't know, and I haven't been able to talk to her yet, do you think Ashley would have, I mean, because you said that only three people... Because the kids are worth a lot of money. Do you think Ashley would have had something to do with this? She had to have. She's the only one other than me would do the combination. I would never give it out to anybody. Ever. Ashley and her fiancé had lived with Marsha and Harold for a while.

31:13But now Ashley was living in Missouri. The only way to get to the bottom of this was to call her. At the same time, detectives scoured Stephen White's phone and found some shocking evidence. Messages between Ashley and him that confirmed the burglary conspiracy. This is a montage of some of the things Ashley said. I do have access next week to her home with a lot to steal and sell. It would be as simple as, I load the truck, you go sell it, we look for more, rinse, repeat. I mean 100K worth of guns, LOL. I already stole my guns to keep. She owes me. I'm about to grab the coins too. I just get her out of the house.

31:57He only has AD &D and it will not pay out for natural causes. Only thing they can do is say, yeah, you don't get it, or where do I send the 200K, LOL. This was enough to bring Ashley in from Missouri for questioning. Meanwhile, detectives had access to Stephen's and Marsh's phones. The case went quiet for a few weeks. What surfaced wasn't another clip or a rumor. It was an online order by Ashley with a shipping label in the family name Lynn Allen, all pointing to the Freetown address with dates, size, and price attached. And the item in the center of those records hinted at a much larger crime.

32:45Was Stephen telling the truth? The burglary thread had become a lead. The paper trail pointed back to Harold and to his murder. When Marsha returned on October 16th, the first question was the order. Who bought it? Where was it shipped? And what phone number? was on it. The detective shows her the paperwork. So it was ordered through a place that was called Kimboys, LLC. What's that? It's some company, but that's where the guy called it was ordered from. It says the order source was Peach Pay, so it was paid through Peach Pay. Do you have a Peach Pay account or anything? I don't know what Peach Pay is.

33:31Okay. Even though the order was sent to Lynn Allen, the address is Marsha's. See what I'm talking about where it says it's billing the Lynn Allen. That's your address, right? 3287 State Road 135. It says shipping Lynn Allen on your address again. The phone number that's associated with that, 812-521-2671. Is that Ashley's number? I don't know. The next day, they sat face-to-face with Marsha's daughter, Ashley. While Marsha was fairly animated, facial expressions, a tone of voice that suggested disbelief or curiosity, Ashley was extremely subdued and poised, almost quietly defiant. We're not going to talk to you about the murder, okay?

34:21That's not what we're here to talk about. We actually, we talked to your mom yesterday for four or five hours. We had to talk to her about some things. She answered some questions for us. So we're going to talk to you about some of that, okay? Before we do that, I am going to read you your rights because you're in custody. All right. Make sure you understand that. A lot of what we talked about was about the death of Harold. We have some text messages from your mom's phone. She can send it to a download. and there was some text messages on there that we had some concern about, the meaning of those text messages.

35:05We have an order where some ethylene glycol was ordered on December 13th, I think it was, December 13th, December 14th. The ethylene glycol arrived at the address of your mom's out in Freetown, 3287 North State Road 135 on December 19th. On December 20th, your herald ended up passing away. Do you know anything about the ethylene glycol? No, sir. Ah, ethylene glycol, otherwise known as antifreeze. It's a sweet-tasting substance that you can sneak into your hubby's drink. And the best part is he won't even notice until he's dead. I guess he won't notice when he's dead either. In any case, it's the murder weapon of choice for those who don't like guns.

36:02You know, women, for the most part. The detective had screenshots of the ethylene glycol order being sent to that address under the name Lynn Allen. This was Marsha's middle and last name. They also had messages from Ashley to her mother asking for money for this particular order. According to Marcia, she knew nothing about it. It was Christmas time. Ashley, her fiancé, who was also named Ashley, and the kids were all living there, and packages were just flooding in. Who can keep track? At least ten packages a day came in that thing. I understand, but there was only one thing that definitely liked all the time.

36:45Right. There's a lot of packages that probably come at Christmas time. I get that. I mean, we do the same thing I did. I'd rather shop online than go to a busy store. But I would remember a thing of ethylene glycol coming to my house if I got it. The day that it does come, which is the 19th, and we know what day it was delivered, we have the tracking number, there's a message from Ashley saying we have a delivery. The focus closed in on mother and daughter. One bought the poison and used it on Harold. Did the other know? Did the other help? So, you know, and part of this stems from also from, you know, talking to somebody who gave us some information and saying that Harold, the information we got was Harold did not die in natural causes, basically, that he was poisoned.

37:47Really? Yes. So when we follow up on that and we get these, your mom consents to phone download and we get all these text messages and we start going through these text messages and it's between you and your mom, right? And like I said, one of the things, just one, there's a lot of them. One of them is on December 13th, December 14th, around that time frame, ethylene glycol was ordered. I think you texted to your mom, if I remember correctly, and that tracking number matches the same tracking number that our other detective was able to get of the ethylene glycol that arrived at the house on December 19th.

38:30The information we received was that there was root beer floats that were made. It was put into the brew beer float, and that Harold drinks it, and obviously the end result was that he died. Marsha denied having any involvement in the poisoning. She denied everything, while her own daughter continued to point the finger at her in her calm, unbothered tone of voice. If you know that your mom did something that she probably really shouldn't have done, I mean, your mom told us quite a bit yesterday, so you know that... Actually, I mean, do you think your mom's capable of doing something like that?

39:16I mean... I don't know that she did, but I mean... She's capable of whatever. She's very intelligent. If Marsha was intelligent, Ashley was a genius. I'm being somewhat facetious here. Detectives had already confirmed that Marsha had nothing to do with the burglary. Ashley felt cheated out of her share of Harold's life insurance, and she was going to recoup in whatever way she could. Still, detectives pressed on with Marsha. This is the word, and the same day that this is delivered, there's Ruber floats. And then the very next day, Harold's dead. I did not kill him. Who did? As far as I know, his heart condition did.

40:12Okay. We get the results back. Yeah. And it says there's ethylene glycol in his system. How did that get there? I don't know. If you didn't know anything about it, how did that happen? We both made the root beer floats. So I did not put anything in anyone's drink. I didn't even know he had anything like that there. is there ever a chance when Ashley could have put something in there? I have no idea. She lived with me. Did you watch her? No, I do not watch her. That's what I'm asking. I do not watch her the whole time. No, I do not. Marsha was aware that Ashley was growing marijuana in the house.

40:52Okay, no big deal in 2026, I guess. But that wasn't the only botany Ashley was experimenting with. she was also in all sorts of new age domestic white woman horseshit like saging and cleansing amulets and crystals demons and things that would attach themselves to people even convincing marcia that something evil had attached itself to harold not because he was unkind abusive or controlling but because he was sick a lot surely that meant he had some sort of demon attached to him. And it was no wonder Harold was sick a lot. He did have a heart condition, after all. But was it natural? Or was it because he was slowly being poisoned from the time Ashley temporarily moved in months before his death?

41:46Marsha remembered Ashley asking strange questions about poison plants under the umbrella of good parenting. According to Ashley, she wanted to know which poisonous plants surrounded the house. You know, so she could tell her little girl what to avoid. So looking back on the old man. She would ask me stuff like what plants should I watch out for because if I let it outside playing, I don't want to get hurt if she tries to eat something because I'll stick everything in her mouth still. Say that again. She would say like. I want to know what the poisonous plants were around the region, so she would make sure Violet didn't get into it and stuff.

42:33Violet has an immune problem since she was a preemie. Her kidneys didn't develop properly. And if Violet gets around certain things, she gets sick or she breaks up and has it. and she can't pass to have emergency doses of steroids because her body doesn't produce the response to fuck things. Mm-hmm. Well, has she ever gotten into anything like that before? She has, and she ended up on steroids. Hmm. Fox glove seeds? Is she a witch? Does she float? I'm starting to think the Salem witch trials weren't such a bad idea. The foxglove plant is native to North America and grows in shady, damp areas. If ingested, it causes dangerous heart arrhythmias.

43:26It can lead to death. Foxglove seems it's talked about. Yeah, she doesn't know about that crap all the time. Of course, I never thought about it. But maybe she did think about it. When he went to the hospital, because he went to the hospital twice, I think, Yeah, or maybe once or twice. Face was numb. Yeah. Bleeding, anal bleeding, actually, I think. Was it? Diarrhea, all that kind of stuff. She told me you just had the treatment face and thrown out. Well, same thing. You know, they did a blood draw. Is there any, is there going to be a good chance that that blood is going to have fossil in it?

44:13Probably so, yeah. Okay. Why do you think for sure? And just be honest again. Just be honest. Because she was ordering plants. Okay. Foxville plants? I think so. I know that she tried to get a hold of some mugwort, which I didn't know what that was. Okay. Tell me about the foxville and where it was ordered from. I think that she found some on Etsy. This was Marsha's response. You said I need foxglove seeds. And she says I think, or you said I think I can get them at Walmart. They're pretty flowers. And then she said, thank you, we are watching a new movie on Netflix with the kids and those are traceable.

44:59The entire foxglove plant is poisonous. So it could have been easy enough to believe that Marsha wanted seeds to plant because of the pretty flowers. Still, when Ashley followed up in a message saying, those are traceable, detectives knew this was bigger than they originally thought. The rest of the messages gave plenty of clues. But that was just it. They were clues. What became clear was that Harold had been sick for weeks, and the reason was becoming apparent. Neither Marsha nor Ashley seemed to care about his misery either. all they cared about was their own. Marsha messages Ashley saying she's irritated and she can't sleep.

45:47She needs for this to be over. She says it's hanging on by threads. It's so long because he's big, meaning something is taking too long because of his size and weight. Marsha and Ashley often referred to Harold as it, by the way. So that gives you a clue into their character. Ashley answers Marcia, It moves slow and has to build. Marcia then says she wished it would, quote,

46:24He's snoring on and off. And if he moved around, it would go faster. End quote. Then Ashley responds, Yes, if he got moving, it would be faster, but we know he won't. Marsha went on to explain that Harold's stomach was hurting, but his face was better. Yet he wasn't presenting like the stories, just vomiting and diarrhea. Ashley answers, We also have God knows how many that aren't reported, or know how it grows, only the stories of the self-inflicted. And we will see. If not, we will do something else, but I think it's slowly doing it. The detectives were shocked by what they found, and when they questioned Marsha, she had an explanation for everything, even if it didn't make sense.

47:18Ashley, on the other hand, just kept pointing the finger at her own mother, even though they were clearly both involved. Probably the most shocking thing of all was the possibility that this wasn't the first time one of them had poisoned someone. Ashley was currently engaged to a woman, and her previous partner was also a woman. But the father of her only child was a man. Well, obviously, because, you know, biology. Anyway, guess what? He died in his early 30s from a supposed stroke. His name was T.Y. Now, ain't that a coinkydink? And then you wonder why people can't find a date in 2026. So there's something along the lines, like talking about how much he weighs, and it's taken longer because he weighs a certain amount, and Ty's brought up and how much Ty weighed.

48:20You said, love you too, I just want it done, LOL. She said, me too, like beyond over, laugh out loud, but we got it. You said, like, what's taking so long? He's off balance, said he had trouble getting out of the car. She said the weight. It takes 12 hours for a woman at 180 to fill anything. You do the math. Laugh out loud. It's slow. And previously, Ty was only 120, LOL. So what's the weight? You said, so it's going to take a while? She said, 48 max. We will know. Also, he's high still. I gave him a lot of weed butter. Yeah, she made brownies. You don't know what he has because of that. Oh, well.

49:05Could be nausea happening and everything. Except I found out he's making me mad. He gets stupid when he's high. In case you didn't hear, Marcia says he gets stupid when he's high. So, it looked like Marcia and Ashley were slowly poisoning Harold. and they couldn't really track his so-called symptoms because they were giving him weed-infused food to help with the pain and nausea. How kind. But then she mocks him for being stupidly high. While Marcia deflected, played dumb, and spun the texts in her favor with detectives for hours, Ashley very simply maintained that this was all her mother's doing.

49:50I mean, I'm just going to kind of get to the punch, okay? I mean, we know what happened to Harold. We've got evidence of that. Your mom come in yesterday. She told us a lot. We've got months and months and months of text messages from your mom's phone. And, I mean, it's obvious that, you know, something happened to him. and you know I mean basically now is your chance to tell us what you know about what happened there because I mean like I said these text messages the order where this stuff came from the confirmation numbers I think at some point she probably dragged you into something that you didn't want to be in, or there was something to do with those demons or something, you know, with that, but we just want to know the truth.

50:56I mean, is your relationship with your mom good? Yes and no. I kind of just put up with what she does. She's always trying to drag me into whatever she gets into. She's always trying to drag me into something. Anytime I get any type of financial gain on my own, you know, like I sold my house, she wants it. This was a complete lie told by someone who had taken a large amount of money from her mother, not once, but twice. I can't imagine what you feel being betrayed by your daughter. And I can't imagine what it would feel like if I knew my kid had done something. you know but at this you know at this point i mean there is so much content there and i would almost call it evidence and like you said we didn't go into detail in there what we make of those messages um but i mean we have more than just the messages we have the some of the results in the hospital when he went to the hospital back in November and the symptoms that he was experiencing, which, mind you, is the same day that you, or within the same time frame, I'm going to say that day that the fox gloves are mentioned and the symptoms of fox gloves.

52:25See, what happens is the, you know, the bleeding and the stomach and the face that you guys are talking about. And then one thing that he didn't get to all the way down was on the 19th. Whenever the Ethylene Bifol gets there. Is the conversations then, you know, like it's there. Then there were some pictures, you know, like I said, the rubier and things like that. Detectives gave Marsha every opportunity to point the finger back at Ashley or just come clean. But she refused. I'm not going to be shocked at this point. To be shocked, you would have to not believe any of the messages between you and Ashley.

53:10To be shocked that it wouldn't be in this system. Or you wouldn't believe any of the stuff on the Google search that was never Googled. I mean, and what Stephen tells us. I mean, he says root beer float, and that's what we find, right? You know, not long after ethylene glycol is ordered, sent to your house. And the name it's addressed to is Lynn Allen. But your middle name is Lynn, and it's your address. And so, I mean, I know we've already told you all this, and you already know all this. But that's why we're where we're at. I mean, and I know you're smart. I mean, let me say you already know how this looks.

53:51I mean, this stuff doesn't look good. And then to have this on top of it, and I mean, there was enough, you know, the courts and the judge and prosecutors, You're going to have issued marks for the phones. During the interviews, detectives went back to the phone copy. They saw gaps. Marsha had deleted a lot of texts. This is Detective Adam Nicholson again. And after she submitted to the phone downloaders or consented, she actually deleted the messages in the interview room between her and Ashley because Clint had to step out of the interview room for a second and grab the consent form for her to sign.

54:37And he couldn't take her phone with him because she hadn't signed it yet, but she had consented. And while he's gone, she's going through her phone. She's deleting things. She told him that she was just deleting pictures from her security camera like of her in the house where she was in her underwear and stuff, and she didn't necessarily want us to see that, which was understandable. But when she gave us the phone, I thought, there's no way that there's anything on that phone. There's no way she would have gave it to us. So I think that she thought by deleting those messages that she was probably free and clear, and then she didn't hear back from us until October.

55:20That was September 20th. we showed up early in the morning on the 16th of October this would have been 2023 and we had search warrants for her house for all electronic devices like laptops computers old cell phones memory sticks or flash drives hard drives things like that she didn't she didn't know we were coming until we knocked on the door yeah we knocked on the door early in the morning she had just got out of bed it appeared she was like in her um still like pjs and you can tell then she was shocked and uh i read the warrants to her and the warrant actually mentions like to seize the property for evidence of murder for the crime of murder and i remember like her face is like you know if you if you watch that video yeah you can tell like she knows then like And she agreed.

56:18So she, me and Clint took her back to the sheriff's department while the other officers and detectives completed the search warrant. And so I think that was probably her first moment of like, no one like, yeah, they there's there's they know something. them. They knew Ashley and her mother had discussed how long it would stay in someone's body, how no one would notice, and how to make it ready for use by saying, I need something that crushes this into powder. They also had testimony of Ashley's partner, recalling that Ashley was grinding up something she put in Harold's brownies, throwing the grinder away afterwards and telling her lover not to say anything about it.

57:07On October 17th, Ashley interviewed with detectives from jail after being arrested for the burglary. They were surprised she said anything at all because when they picked her up in Missouri for the burglary, she immediately asked for an attorney. I'm proud of Detective Burcham and the job he did and myself. And, you know, it was just one of those, though, that couldn't be at our best because our hands were tied. You know, like we we knew with Marsha because we were told the prosecutor told us if we didn't get a confession, we couldn't arrest her. I mean, we kind of went, you know, like I wanted to know that if if she told me to, you know, go screw off that, you know, I could arrest her.

57:50But I didn't have that in my back pocket, you know, so I had to sit there and play. dumb, play nice, you know, try to go along with what she was saying, try to act like I was believing what, I mean, because if I, the moment I started pushing on her, she got very upset and I could tell that she was close to probably saying, you know, like I want an attorney. And if she would have said, you know, I want an attorney, then game over. That's the law. And we respect that. You can't, you can't keep questioning somebody once they say that. So we had to be very, very careful on how we approached that interview.

58:27You know, knowing how hard it is and having it happen to me before, like how easy it is for somebody to say, I want an attorney, like you're done. And we had already been told, like, you can't arrest her if she doesn't confess. So we didn't get an arrest. And it was the same thing with Ashley, except we already had that experience with Ashley once because she was when she got arrested in Missouri, Me and Clint Burcham, the detective, had also went out there, and they brought her back to their sheriff's department. We went in to talk to her just about the burglary, not about the murder at all. We were just there to talk about the burglary and didn't want her to even know that we knew about the murder.

59:09And she requested an attorney almost immediately. They said she wanted an attorney. So when she got brought back to Jackson County, you know we we had hopes but they weren't very high like we thought you know as soon as we go in there and tell her you know hey we don't want to talk to you about the burglary we don't we can't talk to you about that you request an attorney but we want to talk to you about the death of harold like i thought 100 she was going to say i don't want to talk to you but but she did during that interview ashley talked but her words mainly implicated her mother which was no surprise.

59:48But the detectives had an unfortunate surprise for her. So I'm here to talk to you about something completely different. Okay. Okay? Something to be an easy conversation. Okay? After your mom was here yesterday and spoke with us, we got a call to go check on her welfare at her home, and she's passed away. What? She passed away. What happened? Without going into a lot of detail, she appeared that there was something ingested possibly and passed away.

1:00:39You're serious. I'm 100 % serious, yes. She killed herself. That is what we believe. What do you think? That's what we believe happened, yes. I'm in shock. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There's nothing to apologize for. I felt it was necessary to let you know that. I appreciate it. I'm very, very sorry for your loss.

1:01:14in hours of tape ashley stayed flat measured careful clinical almost the only crack comes when detectives tell her marcia her mother is dead that's when the mask suddenly slips Her voice wobbles. Her breath catches, and for one minute, the room feels human again. It's a strange tragedy. Mother and daughter so tightly bound together that they eliminate the person they feel is getting in the way. Harold. They talked of plans to sell the place and move in together. But then, the pressure begins mounting. Marsha knows that Ashley will likely be in prison for a very long time, and they're coming for her next.

1:02:13So, she takes an easy exit. If her daughter could betray her so easily, she would do the same. What Marsha couldn't have known was what Ashley would do next.

1:02:39Thank you.

1:03:0457-year-old Harold Allen died at home in Freetown, Indiana on December 20, 2022, five days before Christmas. His death was first certified as natural. Months later, a September 19, 2023 burglary at the same house drew detectives back. Marsha Allen, Harold's wife had been out of town when home cameras captured Stephen White, who was happy to spill all the tea in the world, with plenty of dramatic flair I might add, and phone messages tied the break-in to Marsha's daughter and friend of Stephen, Ashley Jones. Detectives then shifted from burglary to death. Records showed an online order shipped under the family name to the Freetown address, and interviews on October 16th and 17th, 2023, focused on whether that chemical ended up in Harold's drink, a root beer float.

1:04:07Marsha had denied the order. Ashley had pointed to Marsha. But soon, evidence tied them both to the murder. Just before detectives would have arrested Marsha, they found her at home, dead in her bed of suicide. As for Harold, toxicology later reported ethylene glycol and the death certificate was amended. Review of Marsha and Ashley's text messages alluded to an even bigger mystery. Was this Ashley's first attempt at poisoning? Detectives found it beyond strange that, get this, Ashley's ex-husband also died of supposed heart conditions or a stroke. Hmm. Suspicious, wouldn't you say? He died at a very young age, just days after he received an inheritance.

1:05:06Could that be a coincidence? Ashley Jones was arrested and charged in October of 2023 with murder, conspiracy to commit murder, attempted murder and burglary tied to Harold Allen's death and the September 2023 break-in. She later pleaded guilty in 2025 to level one felony conspiracy to commit murder and attempted murder and was sentenced to 50 years in Jackson Circuit Court. But Ashley, being the wonderful, well-adjusted human that she was, wasn't finished getting rid of people. After only a few months of incarceration, she hatched a plan. It involved a jailmate named Anita. Detective Nicholson just happened to know Anita.

1:05:56You know, I worked in the jail for like five years prior to becoming a deputy in 2005. So from 2000 to 2005, I was a jail officer. So I'm familiar with a lot of the inmates that, you know, they're in and out. And, you know, this case had been in the news a few times, And so I'm sure that Anita probably knew that I was the officer that was working it. And she reached out to a jail officer to let her know that she wanted to talk to me. Ashley knew that Anita was going to be getting released pretty soon. She wasn't on any real serious charges. And Anita and Ashley were in that cell together. Well, word traveled pretty quick when Anita came in because Ashley had already been in jail.

1:06:44And when Anita came in, word traveled pretty quick about who she was and who her connections were. And there's a, I hate to even call it a gang because it's really not a gang. And if they were a gang, they're not into like killing people. It's not that kind of gang. But I think Ashley started, you know, seeing like she's never been in jail. She didn't, she didn't know, you know, Anita. She didn't know what this gang was about. And she just heard the word gang and thought, well, I could, you know, sweet talk her and, you know, befriend her and in jail here and then get her to have these people that she's friends with in this gang go and kill the people that are mentioned in my case and going to testify against me.

1:07:36Yep. she was going to have someone in this so-called gang go and kill them all. She basically wrote a letter that was going to go out in Anita's mail. And she gave, you know, Anita the letter to put in with her mail. And instead of sealing it, Anita took that part of the letter out and hit it and then waited till she could see me and she provided me with the letter that Ashley wrote and it was the letter that she wrote to um so-called hit man you know that she thought was a hit man and the driver was wanting him to go all the way to Massachusetts and kill her fiance and kill Stephen and Nathan that were in jail uh then there was some other people and I can't remember exactly who else but yeah she was just trying to to get people taken out before they'd have a chance to testify on her.

1:08:37If you thought the text between Marsha and Ashley were cryptic, wait until you hear about this hit letter. She pretended it was a list of people she wanted prayers for. A prayer list. How spiritual of her. A lot of things have been on my heart and mind, but I feel the best way to overcome and be set free from it is some prayer. I would like the following people to be added to the prayer list as soon as possible. Have the church lift these people as high as can be to the Lord so everyone may find rest in peace. She then lists out all the people with their first, middle, and last names as well as exact locations and what they had done to her, saying that prayer knows no bounds.

1:09:26I mean, you gotta give God GPS coordinates for each person you're praying for, right? Here's just a snippet of the inmate's interview. That one, you know, that we heard, or that we thought we heard. I just want to make sure that there was a high-powered rifle mentioned and maybe two shots to the neck. Okay, right here, she said, here people get guns instead of high-powered rifle. Right here severs every nerve and kills you instantly. Right here. Okay. So that's how she was wanting these people to take them out. Ashley, specifically. Okay, right here and right here. Okay. She points to the base of her skull and to her forehead, saying those are the two places Ashley said would cause instant death when struck with a bullet.

1:10:22Who was she wanting her to shoot? Ashley did as a sheet is to take out the little girl. I don't know if you guys heard that. And I don't know if you guys heard that. Ashley told Anita to take out Ashley, her fiancé, and her fiancé's little girl. That would be the same little girl who lived with both Ashleys. You see, Ashley Jones hated, hated her fiancé's little girl. So, why not take her out too while you're at it? In some of the text messages with Marsha, Ashley said, Let her starve. I hate the kid. She just sits and just does nothing, looking fat, ugly, and stupid. it. Remember when they used to make fun of family values and the bigots that promoted them?

1:11:20Those were the days. Let's all just hope Ashley sits in prison for the next 50 years doing nothing but looking fat, ugly, and stupid. In the meantime, Detective Adam Nicholson is writing a book on this murder, and who knows, if he digs harder, he might find even more bodies full of poison left in Ashley's wake. There's already speculation that she may have killed her ex-husband as well. Yeah, he's dead. Detective Nicholson told Swordscale that this was one of the most bizarre cases he'd ever been involved with. Or that there wouldn't have even been a murder case at all. We would have never found out.

1:12:03If it wouldn't have been for Ashley's greed, and if Ashley wouldn't have, you know, had to have set up this burglary at her mom's house and Stephen getting caught. So what led me to Stephen was the burglary. It was Ashley's greed. Ashley wanted this burglary to take place and she trusted that Stephen would do it. She had no idea her mom had installed a security system. and, you know, Marsha would have never reported the burglary had she known that Stephen knew about the murder. If she knew that Stephen had been told by Ashley about the murder, there's no way that Marsha would have called in on Stephen and turned him in.

1:12:50Ashley's genius knew no bounds, the strong independent woman that she was. Her master plan from inside the prison? hire total strangers to cross state lines and kill people for her for free. Smart. Real smart. You know what else is smart? Ordering your murder weapons off Amazon. You know what else is smart? Telling your flamboyant and loudmouthed gay friend that you and your mom murdered someone. You know what else is smart? Staging a fake robbery with that same friend who can't stop talking to steal from your own mother and murder accomplice because you're a greedy, narcissistic, and self-centered piece of shit?

1:13:38How's that saying go again? There is no honor amongst cold-hearted cunts? I forget. Oh, and before some Karen out there sends me an angry email lecturing me and calling me a sexist for using that forbidden word, realize that words are meant to describe the universe we perceive around us so we can effectively communicate, even the four-letter ones. And I can't think of a better word to describe Ashley. She's what that word was made for.

1:14:23I hope you liked that. And by the way, last week we put up a video explaining how I fucked up all the pricing for Sword and Scale Television. Well, YouTube demonetized us. So there's only one place on earth you can find Sword and Scale Television now, and that's swordandscale.com or our app. and we lowered pricing to$10 to get access to it, which means that you can now get the audio only version of Sword & Scale, the podcast, on Apple Podcasts for just eight bucks. How do you like them apples?

1:15:14Thank you.

1:15:42Thank you.