In short
The episode discusses what food-and-beverage concepts are most “fundable” right now, focusing on better-for-you candy and snacks (especially functional candy), investor funding patterns, and next-wave innovations like mushroom lemonade, protein bars in tins, snacking croutons, and bone broth.
Guests (hosts/participants)
Ray Lateef (editor/producer, Taste Radio), John Craven (co-host), Melissa Travers (co-host), Mike Schneider (co-host). Additional named people appear as founders/brand leaders (e.g., Michael Fisher of Rotten; Maxi Heidenblut of Happy Candy; Alana Pickoff of Good Greed; Edlin Choi of Reclamation; Marco Canora of Brodo; Brio Drinks founder unnamed; North Hall report author Brad Avery referenced).
Key claims
Better-for-you products must deliver real flavor with “health halos” (protein/fiber/gut-friendly claims); investors track consumer and investor expectations via reports like North Hall’s Q2 2026 insider financing trends; mega M&A is reshaping portfolios toward health/wellness.
Notable examples
Rotten “Original Tinies” and “Chewers” (11g protein, ~50% less sugar vs leading brands); Happy Candy (70% less sugar, 7g fiber, no alternative sweeteners; Whole Foods debut); Good Greed (gut-friendly, “poppy of candy” playbook); Buffs (seed-oil-free, algae cooking oil example via Algae Cooking Club); Jacked Granny protein bars (tins, 15–16g protein, 180 calories, “no preservatives,” hermetically sealed); C-R-O-O-T-S snacking croutons; Reclamation bone broth (Korean-style, 17g protein); Brodo as the “OG” drinking broth; Brio Drinks mushroom lemonade (lion’s mane/cordyceps).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOExploring Better-for-You Trends
0:46 to 1:16
Discussion on the rise of functional candy and health-focused snacks.
“Is better for you becoming the new default?”
Event Announcements and Updates
1:16 to 2:15
Updates on upcoming events and meetups in the food and beverage industry.
“We also dive into the next wave of innovation in food and beverage, including mushroom lemonade, snacking croutons, and tinned protein bars.”
Candy Market Insights
2:15 to 3:24
Insights on the growing market for healthier candy alternatives.
“To learn more about all three of those events, head to their respective websites.”
Introducing Rotten and Their Innovations
3:24 to 5:30
Discussion on Rotten's new protein-packed candy alternatives.
“Everyone seems to think that better for you candy has a future, including the New York Times.”
Happy Candy and the Future of Candy
5:30 to 8:01
Exploring Happy Candy's unique offerings and the future of healthier candy.
“And then their Barburst alternatives also contain a lot of protein, 11 grams per bag.”
Consumer Preferences in Candy and Sweeteners
8:01 to 10:46
Discussion on consumer preferences regarding sugar and sweeteners in candy.
“who is heading up sales for the company.”
Influence of Poppy's Exit
14:47 to 16:33
Discussing how brands are influenced by successful exits like Poppy's.
“They said, hey, well, if Poppy did all these things and all of it worked and well, maybe that playbook or parts of that playbook will work for my brand.”
Insights from North Hall Report
16:33 to 17:22
Overview of Q2 2026 funding trends in food and beverage.
“Well, you know, I am honored to do it and honored to work with people like Ryan from North Hall.”
Emerging Trends in M&A
17:22 to 18:28
Exploring major M&A deals and consumer trends in the food industry.
“It's three mega deals by companies like KDP, Kimberly-Clark, to the tune of$120 billion.”
Algae Cooking Oil Exploration
18:28 to 20:42
Discussion on the benefits and characteristics of algae cooking oil.
“I think we just found the interesting ingredient of the week.”
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Consumer Expectations for Innovation
20:42 to 21:14
Importance of aligning innovation strategies with consumer expectations.
“For brands who have the right story, for the brands who are appealing to the right consumer trends, there's a huge payoff in that.”
Jacked Granny Protein Bars
21:14 to 21:39
Introducing a new protein bar brand with unique packaging.
“I want to continue to talk about trends and insights that are happening in the food and beverage industry.”
Analyzing the Packaging Features
21:39 to 22:36
Discussion on the appeal and practicality of the protein bar's packaging.
“And it's not fish It's protein bars, right?”
Grandma's Recipe Connection
22:36 to 24:59
Reflecting on family recipes and the simplicity of good ingredients.
“which if you open one of these up, it's just solid with the bar, like completely filled.”
Grandma's Recipe Connection
25:13 to 25:26
Reflecting on family recipes and the simplicity of good ingredients.
“Come hang out with the food, beverage, and beer community for live podcast recordings, CPG networking, and sample sharing.”
Grandma's Recipe Connection
25:56 to 26:13
Reflecting on family recipes and the simplicity of good ingredients.
“The Angel Group was among the first believers in brands like Poppy, Bacchans, Goodles, and Siete.”
Reviewing Crout Snacks
26:13 to 28:01
Discussion of a new brand of snackable croutons and their appeal.
“Quick pause for a look at the people making an impact across packaged food.”
Guardians of the Galaxy Reference
28:01 to 28:26
The hosts discuss a missed pop culture reference and the difficulty of watching shows.
“It's a Guardians of the Galaxy reference.”
Snack Flavors Discussion
28:27 to 29:22
A conversation about potential snack flavors and pricing strategies for a new product.
“I really think they need like a barbecue flavor and maybe a ranch flavor.”
Retail Placement Considerations
29:23 to 30:50
The hosts explore where a new product could be merchandised in stores and how it might sell.
“and you're in the aisle, the checkout aisle, right?”
Bone Broth as Food or Beverage
30:51 to 31:54
Discussion on whether bone broth should be classified as a food or beverage and its nutritional value.
“Melissa, since we're on food, but this could also be considered a beverage.”
Branding and Packaging for Bone Broth
31:55 to 34:04
The hosts critique the packaging and branding of a bone broth product and its market appeal.
“I mean, that was the OG drinking broth, or at least the one that really broke through.”
Introduction to Brio Drinks
34:05 to 35:06
The hosts introduce Brio Drinks, a mushroom-based beverage, and discuss its market presence.
“It feels like a specialty, specialty food brand.”
Mainstream Acceptance of Mushrooms
35:07 to 36:39
A discussion about the rising popularity of mushroom-based products in mainstream markets.
“And it was like kind of an off the beaten path booth.”
Taste Testing Results
36:40 to 37:21
The hosts share their thoughts on the taste of the mushroom lemonade and its overall appeal.
“Well, because they're almost the same number of letters, cordyceps and portobello.”
Transcript
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0:37Hello and thanks for tuning in to Taste Radio, the number one podcast for anyone building a business in food or beverage. I'm Ray Lateef, the editor and producer of Taste Radio, and I'm with my co-host for this episode, John Craven, Melissa Travers, and Mike Schneider. Is better for you becoming the new default? This week, we dig into the explosion of functional candy and other health-focused snacks, unpack the latest data on where CPG investors are putting their money, and examine why protein-packed, dive-free, and ingredient-conscious startups continue to attract funding despite a challenging capital market.
1:16We also dive into the next wave of innovation in food and beverage, including mushroom lemonade, snacking croutons, and tinned protein bars. Welcome back to the studio, John Craven Two weeks in the WCB The West Coast branch Or at least in the area of the West Coast branch Yeah, the area of The area of, that's San Diego I love your precision sometimes, Ray Yeah, well, did you get to visit any other parts of Southern California Or was it just San Diego? L.A. You went to L.A., okay I did Oh, what did you see there? Air One Did you really? Yeah Did you get some of their new water? The hose water Oh, the hose water, no So, yeah, I did.
1:56I also saw my favorite L.A. area hotel, the Marriott Marina Del Rey, which, Ray, you should inform our listeners the context of that. Yes, the Marriott Marina Del Rey is hosting BevNet CPG Media's live events in December, including, of course, BevNet Live, Nosh Live and BrewBound Live. To learn more about all three of those events, head to their respective websites. That's going to be here before you know it. Like BevNetLive.com, NoshLive.com, and BrewBondLive.com? Those are the ones. Oh, thanks, Ray. Yeah, yeah. I like when I get it right. Good information. We have an event that's coming up even sooner than that.
2:32That's the Taste Radio Chicago Meetup, which is happening on August 13th in Logan Square at Pilot Project Brewing, 5 to 7.30 p.m. If you are in the Chicago area or visiting, we want to see you there. Just head to TasteRadio.com slash meetups to RSVP. Once again, we need to know how many people are coming so we can order enough Sloppy Joe sandwiches for everyone. Who's supporting that event, Ray? The folks that are supporting that event are The Angel Group, Belay, and Vibrant Ingredients. They are national partners for our entire series. Thank you. Which also includes our upcoming meetups in San Diego, San Francisco, and London.
3:13More details in all three of those events. Once again, at tastereadio.com slash meetups. Good stuff. Good stuff indeed. You know what else is good stuff? Better for you candy. Everyone seems to think that better for you candy has a future, including the New York Times. There was an article recently penned on that legacy media publication called Who Put Candy on a Diet? Healthy confections, whether marketed as better for you or functional, have overwhelmed grocery and convenience stores and even found their way into gyms and supplement shops. Overwhelmed grocery and convenience stores? I wouldn't say that.
3:54I would say they've made an entry, but... Definitely feels like people love candy and people have been looking for better for you versions, whether they are lower in calories, lower in sugar, have some sort of gut health benefit, protein benefit, protein benefit. Who puts protein in candy? I don't know. You know who puts protein in candy? Rotten. R-O-T-T-E-N is the name of the brand. Best known for their... Winner of the pitch slam? Winner of the nosh pitch slam. Well done, John Craven. Winner of the nosh pitch slam in 2025. Here. Oh, and we have even more candy coming here. Aw, thanks, Colin.
4:29Special delivery by... Oh, thank you. It's not Colin. It's Jake. Thanks, fake Colin. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yes. I wouldn't call him fake Colin. He's... No. Oh, come on, man. Yeah. Can't see behind those cameras. No, I know. I couldn't see. Couldn't see. Yeah, Rotten was founded by Michael Fisher. and as John mentioned, the winner of Nosh's Pitch Slam in 2025, best known for their swicy gummies. Right. Spicy and sweet. But they recently introduced a couple new lines of products that are reminiscent of traditional legacy brands. One of them rhymes with Kittles and another one rhymes with Bar Bursts.
5:14I wonder what those could possibly be. Does it also rhyme with carwursts? So Rotten's Kittles alternative is called Original Tiny's, but it's spelled T-I-N-I-E-Z. And they contain 11 grams of protein per bag. How about that? That's quality. Yeah. And then their Barburst alternatives also contain a lot of protein, 11 grams per bag. And they're described as having 50 cent percent less sugar. Well, one variety has 50 percent less sugar than the leading brand. The other one has 50 % than the leading brand. What's the leading brand? I think it rhymes with Barburst. I was doing that until I got the ah from John.
5:56So I got it. Sorry. I have to say they do a really good job with the flavor here. And that to me is the most important thing. So these original tinies are insane. They are like, what's the word? Crack? You know, everyone talks about stuff being crack. Yeah, sure. I just, full disclosure here, have never had crack in my life. So I can't necessarily say that as a truth. But these are really delicious. What's so funny? I was just thinking about you saying tastes like shit too. Because you said that before. Not on this podcast. But yeah, these are really, really great alternatives to the quote unquote real thing.
6:35In fact, I think I like these even better. I'm not sure if I like them better because they have protein in them. Honestly, I think I like them better because they just taste better. Truthfully. Are those the sour? These are the original tiny. Okay. Yes. I haven't had, I was holding and waiting until we all were here to eat these sour chewers. These are the Barber's alternatives.
7:00They're called chewers. C-H-E-W-E-R-Z. So let's, I'm going to go, I'm going to get into the sour ones. Barber's keeps reminding me that I need a haircut. I'm at it. You didn't get a haircut yet for Taste Reader Chicago? Yeah. Thanks for reminding me with the barbursts. Have you guys had these yet or no? Yeah. I got some hand delivered when I was in San Diego. I thought we were all going to wait together to eat them. Look at Ray Hort them. No. No, I did not Hort them. He's opening them right now. He's opening one for himself. He hasn't even passed the bag around. What's great about this also is that the colors are from fruits, veggies, and superfoods.
7:33And when you unwrap the loopy lime variety and you look at it, it doesn't have that neon green color that some other candies do. It actually looks like a kiwi almost. Right? Like it looks like the inside of a kiwi. Yeah, sure. Thumbs up from Ray. The texture is spot on. Flavor is really good. I think they nailed it. Well done, Rotten. Well done, Michael Fisher. And well done to our dear friend, Adam Hertel. who is heading up sales for the company. And I know he wanted to make sure that we got these. So great stuff. We got them. Thank you. I got this Happy Candy in the mail. I don't know if you guys have tried these.
8:15I have. Yeah, they're really tasty. They're gummy, 70 % less sugar. These also have fiber, seven grams of fiber. What I really like about these is that they don't have any alternative sweeteners in them. The thing that bugs me about the Better For You Candy is that cloying, whether it's Stevia or Allulose or whatever it is. But I think these are incredibly tasty and you don't get that kind of side of hurting the side, you know, the back of your jaw with alternative sweeteners. And I think they taste perfectly sweet. Yeah. Great job by founder Maxi Heidenblut, who we featured on Elevator Talk. I want to say it was five or six months ago.
8:57And I really enjoyed eating this product for the same reasons that Melissa described is they don't contain any other alternative low caloric sugars. They just are what they are. They're really reminiscent of a European style candy, European style gummy. And I think that's what Maxie, who is a native of Germany, was going for. Happy Candy also, as reported by our very own Shauna Golden, has made its Whole Foods debut in select Northeast and South Pacific stores. So big, big news for Happy Candy. Great job once again, Maxie. I like all the ingredients that she's using for color. Turmeric. Yep. Spirulina.
9:37Carrot extract for color. Yep. I have the Italian summer skew here, which I think is an interesting way to name a candy skew. It's lemon and cherry. And same thing. Carrot extract for color. Apple extract. Pumpkin. Good stuff. This one's the big apple. Yeah. So interesting because for a long time, it felt like there was only one better for you candy brand on the market. And that was SmartSweets, right? And now it feels like there is... Project 7. Project 7 came after SmartSweets, but Project 7 is a great brand now known as Joyride. Joyride, yeah. Yes, good stuff. But yeah, I feel like we're seeing new entrants come into the market.
10:17It seems like at least once a week. And you got to wonder what's really going to rise to the top. And like we've said with everything, or at least I've said with everything, there has to be little or no compromise. And if people get the sense that they're eating something that just doesn't taste good enough, that's a little off in terms of flavor, it's just not going to work in the long run, I feel like. It's just you're going to alienate a whole group of consumers. Then you have brands like Better Sour who have gone from much better for you, and it depends on how you think about sugar intake, but to maybe a less better for you, but they still are free of artificial colors.
10:57They're using, I think, cane sugar for sweetener. For one of their newest line of products, their Whole Foods line of products is using real sugar. Yep. I don't know. I think I would choose to buy a bag of the full sugar gummies than the previous version. If I'm going to go for candy, then I'm going to go for candy. Yeah. I like the original. So I would do the opposite of you. When we first tried it at the Snackshot, the legendary Snackshot event for XLS, and I ate the whole bag. I was just blown away by those gummies. And even with an alternative sweetener, I just thought they were spot on. Yeah.
11:35The full sugar version to me satiates the sugar craving. I like that too. Yeah. They're both good products. Yeah. I mean, and the gut health benefit to Better Sour, the gut health benefit to other brands as well, including Rotten's original variety, they have a fiber component as well. I think that gives a little bit of a health halo more than it really does a lot, I think, for people. This is what we've been talking about with Poppy and Ollipop for a long time. And I also wonder if people are willing to explore alternative sweeteners in candy because candy inherently isn't good for you anyway.
12:10Yeah, but that's also, I guess, true of soda, right? And so if it's a little bit lower calorie, lower sugar, and again, has that functional benefit, whether it does something significant for you or otherwise, is convincing to a lot of consumers. And in fact, we had a new brand, or at least new to me, in a recent episode of Elevator talks that will be published on Wednesday of next week. The brand is called Good Greed, and they market themselves as a delicious tasting product first and foremost, but gut friendly. So people who are sensitive to alternative sweeteners or just candy in general can eat this and eat an entire bag and not feel gross afterwards.
12:51Someone who ate an entire bag at the Summer Fancy Food Show, that brand is really cool. The flavors are great. I think their sour stuff is really, really, really top. And another great sour for the Better Free Candy space. I think the soda versus candy point is an interesting one, but there's a huge precedent for diet soda. I mean, people have been drinking diet soda for a long time, but when I think about diet candy or lower sugar candy, all I can think of is Brax, sugar-free for diabetics, that kind of thing. That's a much newer category. Brax, wow. Yeah, that's old school. I'm old. That's a throwback.
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14:13More than 70 % of new CPG products fail, often over margins founders never fully understood. Outsourced accounting can close that gap for good. Visit belaysolutions.com slash bevnet for a free small business accounting guide from Belay. Your inbox should reflect the parts of CPG that matter to you. Choose from BevNet's seven free newsletters covering beverage, food, beer, spirits, careers, education, and more. Sign up and select your favorites at cpgmedia.com slash newsletter. I think a lot of entrepreneurs, and we talked about this with Zoe Licata from our Brewbound vertical three weeks ago, a lot of brands have been influenced by what they saw with Poppy and Poppy's incredible exit to PepsiCo.
15:02They said, hey, well, if Poppy did all these things and all of it worked and well, maybe that playbook or parts of that playbook will work for my brand. And it's funny because Alana, and I'm sure she's not the first person to say this about her brand, but Alana Pickoff of Good Greed, the founder of Good Greed, had said that we want to be the poppy of candy. Now, again, people have been saying things like this left and right. But, you know, the entrepreneur is going to look at these mega exits and say, well, again, what can we pull from that? But the question is, how many of those exits are happening?
15:33Where is investment coming from? Who's getting the money and where? And, well, we have some info. We got a little bit of insight into that. We got some vibes on that. I feel like a lot of insight on that, really. Yeah. New and recent insights into what's happening on the investment front. Mike, where are we getting these insights from? I mean, from our most recent insider report from North Hall, it's the Q2 2026 report on trends and insights in food, beverage, and CPG financings. And it talks about the full Q2 funding picture, how capital is invested, how many companies raised, size and stage of those rounds, how the quarter compares historically.
16:14And there's just a lot more in there. You get venture and M &A deals that stood out. So much in that report. It's delightful. And it's available to insiders. Insiders. BevNet and Nosh insiders have access, complete and free access to that report. Melissa, you're doing such good things for the community. You really are. By providing this information. Thank you for that. Well, you know, I am honored to do it and honored to work with people like Ryan from North Hall. And our editorial team is also working incredibly hard to bring our community all the latest information and investment and M &A. Certainly Brad Avery with his article on Nosh.com right now.
16:59The title is Who's Raising Money in Food? The Better for You Startups. Winning Investors in 2026 talks a lot about M &A and the deals that are providing the bulk of activity. And, you know, there was some really interesting information in there about how there are really like three mega deals that are making up the majority of M &A activity in 2026 so far. It's three mega deals by companies like KDP, Kimberly-Clark, to the tune of$120 billion. So there's a lot of activity with portfolios changing. And the trend here is that the portfolios are changing to accommodate consumer trends. And the trends here are health and wellness.
17:43A few others. You should definitely check out the article on Nosh.com. The article talks about protein, of course, brands like Smearcase and Frozen One, protein snacks, like Buffs raised 1.1 million in a pre-seed round, which totally blew my mind. And another one that I thought was really fascinating is algae cooking oil. Seed oil free is something that so many like Buffs, for example, Buffs calls out seed oil free on their packaging. Algae cooking club raised 11.6 million. And this is a product that I find so interesting. So it's a replacement for avocado oil. It has a neutral flavor. And actually it's not pressed the way that avocado oil is, the way that olive oil is.
18:27It's actually fermented. I was curious about algae. I think we just found the interesting ingredient of the week. This is the interesting ingredient of the week. It grows through fermentation. It has a high smoke point. They talk about omega-9, which I've never considered before. We've got to get our hands on some of this. Yeah. You just combined omega-3 and 6. Exactly. Sorry. But Craven, you said that you use it. Yeah, I do. I like that stuff. It's got a higher smoke point than avocado oil. Really? Yeah. All right. So you can just leave that in the pan for days on end and nothing's going to happen.
19:03All the fire alarms are going off. That's the thing. They won't with all the algae oil. Okay, so if it's fermented, though, can it spoil? So could you season a pan with it? Yeah. I guess it all can, right? It all can spoil. I mean, look, it's in the name. Spoil. Okay? So do you use the algae cooking oil because it has a higher smoke point? That's the main difference for you? Interesting. That was a top dad joke. Also, though, Algae Cooking Club, I think one of their main differentiators is that it costs a fraction of the land and water to make the product because it is something that's grown. They're fermenting it.
19:42These are all fantastic points. I'm like so intrigued. And then Ray has to make the joke. You're spoiling my oil conversation. I apologize. But it is interesting, you know, when you do see these mini deals and how they're related to the macro, the mega deals that you talked about, Melissa. I think everything is connected in a way that is kind of easy to discern as long as you read reports like the North Hall report that's on Nonbase. I think one of the most important parts of being an entrepreneur, and I've heard this from other entrepreneurs, is just making sure that your new product development strategy, that your innovation strategy is in line with consumer expectations and more specifically in line with investor expectations.
20:29Investors are reading these reports and they're saying, OK, these are investable concepts. These are reasonable concepts that we can put our money behind. So it's really critical for people to pay attention to reports and insights like these. Yeah. For brands who have the right story, for the brands who are appealing to the right consumer trends, there's a huge payoff in that. And you can read more about it in the North Hall report on Nonbase. Absolutely. I also saw, and by the way, all this information once again is on Nosh and BevNet. It's available to insiders of Nosh and BevNet. It's very easy to become one.
21:04You just go to the website, you sign up and forget it. What's it? Set it and forget it. That's the old Ron Popeil. Ron Popeil. I need a Vegematic. I need a pocket fisherman. Oh, boy. What was the Vegematic? Oh, my God. I want to continue to talk about trends and insights that are happening in the food and beverage industry. But I am so intrigued by the tins of what look like fish by John's side. I thought they were anchovies. You know what? No, no. I saw this on your Instagram account. It was part of your stories. Yeah. And it's not fish It's protein bars, right? It's a protein bar What? With the amazing name of Jacked Granny Okay, so none of that really aligns with my expectations for what I was seeing there Jacked Granny Yes And it's in a gold tin It's in a tin That looks like anchovies It looks like anchovies The product also launched in like a wrapper, which is what I'm holding here Okay chocolate and a peanut butter or PB &J flavor.
22:10Which, by the way, you need to be a jacked granny to be able to open that wrapper. That is a solid wrapper. It wasn't that hard. Anyway. That's also a very interesting wrapper. It's like mirror silver with yellow. Mirror silver, but it's. Yellow labels or yellow branding. It's a little easier to read. It's four ingredients, 15 grams of protein, 180 calories in the chocolate one. and I think there's 16 grams of protein in the PB &J, but they're moving into these tins, which if you open one of these up, it's just solid with the bar, like completely filled. I wonder why. How do you get it out? You need like a butter knife or something?
22:49Because it's awesome. I mean, you just pull the little tab and it's kind of, you know, I mean, you can get your finger in there, get it out. That immediately reminded me of pet food, honestly. Is there a longer shelf life on the tins? No, I was going to bring that up because it says enjoy by 9-19-2026. That's not very far off. We're recording this in early August. It has no preservatives. And, you know, they're just trying to make a super duper clean bar. Hermetically sealed. Hermetically sealed, sure. No weird ingredients, but they're actually like quite tasty. They're super tasty. I kind of enjoy them.
23:24Yeah. I like them too. Is it whey protein? What's the protein source? Ooh, stump them. Granny. The protein source is granny. Oh, geez. I mean, you can... Granny's the name of a cow. You can fit a lot of granny in that tin, I guess, if you really worked at it. So do they have two package types? Is that silver wrapper one? And then they have tins? Yes, but I think they're trying to move to the tins completely. It's just egg whites. It's kind of like the old school RXBAR. Nice. It's really good tasting. I have chocolate. What do you have over there? PB &J. PB &J. Yeah, the PB &J one is what I've had.
23:59It's really good. Now that you mentioned RX Bar, there's something about that that feels David-ish. First of all, the gold. The gold, duh. The gold tin. But also. The novelty. The novelty. It feels, remember when David did that, what was it, Cod? Cod. David Cod. Yeah. And so the tin, the cod, the fish, the gold, everything sort of reminds me of David. I don't know. When you taste it, it's going to remind you of something else. It tastes really good. What does it remind you of? I don't know what it reminds me of. Does it remind you of your granny? Yeah. My granny's are her oatmeal cookies. Okay.
24:36My granny's oatmeal cookies because they were pure and good and just good ingredients. Okay. It tastes good. By the way, I thought she had a secret recipe all those years. And then one day she told me, I just used the recipe on the Quaker Oats jar. It's another one of these therapy moments that we're not supposed to be having right here in the studio. But anyway. That sucks, man. My grandma was basic and awesome. Super basic. The best grandmas are basic. Yeah, so basic. Because they use the most basic ingredients and make the most delicious foods out of them. You would have liked the way she says goodbye, Ray.
25:07How did she say that? Toodaloo. Oh, boy. That touched my heart. It really did. Taste Radio meetups are continuing in Chicago, San Diego, San Francisco, and London. Come hang out with the food, beverage, and beer community for live podcast recordings, CPG networking, and sample sharing. Want to attend or partner with us? Head to Tasteradio.com slash meetups. Vibrant Ingredients is the natural ingredient partner powering food and beverage innovation, delivering flavor, function, and protection through a science-backed portfolio. Vibrant delivers purpose-driven solutions that help brands create extraordinary experiences.
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26:29Others are shaping the business behind the scenes. See all 50 honorees at nosh.com slash impact50. From one food brand to another food brand, this one has been a hit in the office. It seems like everyone's been crunching on crutes. Going to refrain from biting into them right now, even though I really want to. Thank you. C-R-O-O-T-S is the name of the brand. And they're described as snacking croutons. They come in these five-ounce pouches. They're pretty large. The ingredients at the top of the bag are olive oil, artisan sourdough, and no junk. So I guess those aren't all the ingredients because no junk isn't an ingredient.
27:06They have two varieties. One is a sesame hot honey. And the other one I don't have is like a cheese variety. Cheese and garlic. Cheese and garlic. On the back, it says, go beyond the salad. And basically, these are meant to be used in a variety of ways. but the way I've been consuming them is in handfuls thrown into my mouth. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that someone's finally giving me permission to do what I've been doing for forever and snacking on croutons. I can't tell if that's a compliment or a backhanded compliment. Take your pick. Like Pepperidge Farm? No, come on. I make my own. Give me a break.
27:39This is another fantastic entry into the snackable crouton space. Yeah, but no, it's just funny that it's like snacking croutons. I mean, look, these would taste phenomenal on a salad. Sure. Right? I mean, it's a crouton. They taste great anywhere. And then, of course, Colin and I were walking around making the obvious joke going, I am crout. I am crout. I am crout. It's a Guardians of the Galaxy reference. Yeah, totally missed that one. Yeah, you missed that one. You have two boys. I can't watch that stuff. I just can't do it. This is hilarious. She will not watch movies or shows. I can't sit down for that long watching.
28:14Stranger Things, I can't watch that crap. No. Just the sound. I'm not watching that. So bad. Just the tone of your voice with exhaustion and frustration to the end level. It's just such a waste of time. Oh, my God, Mike. All right. Well, let's get back to you. What's wrong with you? Let's get back to useful stuff here. I really think they need like a barbecue flavor and maybe a ranch flavor. Ooh, yeah. Just make the flavors I want a snack. Yep. Just saying. The thing I want to know, and even if I go to the website, I'm probably not going to get the right answer here, is what's the price on this?
28:46because if this is$7.99, and I imagine that it is, early stage brand, premium, it's probably going to cost a little bit of money. You're not going to find a lot of people who are going to buy this. You know, the pop-up grocers of the world, Dina DeLuca, some Erewhons, and so on and so forth. I would love to see this at five bucks. How do you get to five bucks, Ray? Smaller package. Well, scale too, selling more. In scale, certainly if you sell more. That's the mindset anyway. Once you get to a certain scale that you can reduce the price. but that doesn't always work. The other thing I was thinking about this when I saw this is, have I seen this before?
29:21You know, when you go into a TJ Maxx or Marshalls and you're in the aisle, the checkout aisle, right? Melissa almost is like, absolutely. Now that is something I can get on board with. Yeah, okay. So Guardians of the Galaxy, no. TJ Maxx, yes. Well, there's also, yes. There's that brand, Cushy. Yes. Yeah, Cushy. Maybe I've seen that. I said that. I mean, it's not, look, I don't think that's a bad thing that we've seen this before. And what I was saying before when you were like, is that a backhanded compliment? is I don't think that this is a real stretch in terms of like getting a consumer to do something that they don't already do.
29:53This seems like a pretty good, like you just button it up, you made a cool looking brand, you put some cool flavors on it and that's it. No one's going to be like, what's a crouton? Yeah. Right. What do you do with a crouton? Like just put it in your mouth. I don't know. That's a fair point, but that's a fair point. But where are you going to sell this in store where is this going to be merchandise is this next to salty snacks is this in the i don't know it could go in both i suppose well merchandise is next to next to produce this is why i think this would work really well in tj maxx and marshalls maybe you're not going to sell 10 million bags there but you can imagine everyone who's there shopping for cheap sneakers or pants let me ask when you go in there to pick up a new hugo boss blazer would you come out with a bag of Oh my goodness.
30:40Come on. See, I would, but. Hugo Boss would never be in TJ Maxx, but anyway. I'm seeing those for$675 to$795. Second round, and yet they have been. $675 to$795. $795, yeah. There you go. I got it, yeah. Melissa, since we're on food, but this could also be considered a beverage. What is bone broth? What do you guys consider? Is it a beverage or food? It's called stock. I would say, yeah, I would consider it a food. Me too. I've tried drinking it for breakfast and stuff, but I want to drink coffee for breakfast. It's a liquid ingredient use of food. Yeah. I have here Reclamation's bone broth. It's a traditional Korean style bone broth.
31:17I met Edlin Choi at the Fancy Food Show, and I was so wowed by the pork broth. Yeah, that stuff's good. It basically tastes like ramen noodles. All you have to do is add ramen noodles. Really, really tasty. They do an incredible job with this. 17 grams of protein, 120 calories. That's bananas. That stuff goes right into your soul. You just feel, oh, that's awesome. Yeah, two ingredients, no salt added, paleo-friendly. I think I would only use bone broth in a soup. I'm not a huge drinker of it, but you take a jar of this, add some noodles and vegetables, and you have an incredible dinner. Or just drink it.
31:52Yeah. Or just drink it. I mean, Brodo, based in New York City, Marco Canora, one of the co-founders of the brand, I mean, that was the OG drinking broth, or at least the one that really broke through. I love that. And it's awesome. And that comes in pouches, and it's just a single-serve pouch, and they have all different kinds of varieties. I mean, I love drinking bone broth. The question I would have with this brand is that it doesn't look that appealing to drink, honestly. It looks like a beautiful, natural product made with 100 % grass-fed beef, at least one variety is. but it's just in a mason jar and you see this like package format okay so that is a typical look for like a korean soup broth and the light broths that you get in korean soups which are fantastic which is what melissa's point of you can add noodles or but i think his beef or whatever i think his point though is i mean it is a packaging format of like appealing to your senses and and look i mean there's a brodo flavor that the one that's like the coconut flavor yeah that is also kind of cloudy like that, that sure, in a flexible pouch, you don't see it, right?
33:04I would agree that with this, it is to some extent a pack format that it kind of does make you stop and go, what is this for, right? Even us, we're like, is it a beverage? Is it a food? But not in an if you know, you know sense, because you see that if you're in the if you know, you know. But most people don't. You're like, damn, I want that. You're not just trying to sell to if you know, you know people. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah. They also sent us the chicken and the beef. The beef won a good food award. I agree with the cloudiness of the liquid. If it was in a Tetra Pak, I think that would solve and probably solve some breakage issues too.
33:42Or just a full wrap. Well, regardless of the pack format, I do feel like the branding on that could be a bit stronger because, you know, it just screams bone broth at you. and the actual trade dress of the company feels a little muted to me. As soon as I see the Korean characters, though, I know what's going on. One thing I think they could pull to the front is two ingredients. That's on the side here in smaller type, but I don't know, two ingredients to me is pretty amazing. It feels like a specialty, specialty food brand. And speaking with founders who have gone on to build successful brands and investors that have invested in those brands, they consistently say, you want to think about being a big brand from the get-go.
34:26You want to think about your package design, your label design, your logo as appealing to a large number of people and think about the potential of your brand as being a big brand. Now, of course, not every single company is going to come out with products that are going to be beloved by every consumer, but the closer you are to looking like a big brand, the closer you are to appealing to more people and getting that investment. And this is not my opinion. These are things that people have told me. So, yeah. Ray, I met the founder of Brio Drinks. Why are you just addressing me? There's two other people in the room.
35:02What about me, Mike? I only want to talk to you right now, Ray. I'm going to leave now. At Expo West. And it was like kind of an off the beaten path booth. And he talked to our guy, John Fisher. and Fisher slacked me. He's like, you got to go meet Brio. And I was like, all right. So I went and met Brio and it is a mushroom drink. And it's got a mushroom blend of lion's mane, cordyceps. This one's called tiger's blood. This one's pink lemonade, 20 calories. Pretty tasty stuff. Mushrooms are definitely hitting the mainstream in a way that I didn't expect. I have had recent conversations with people who are like, hey, have you tried that mushroom coffee or what's going on with mushrooms?
35:41Should I be eating that stuff? And it's people who I've never thought Agreed. Mushrooms are definitely having a moment within the mainstream right now. I never thought I'd be drinking mushroom lemonade, and I am. There you go. And, you know, mushroom lemonade for someone who is a CPG insider, that makes sense. But someone who would consider trying that, who is just some run-of-the-mill mainstream person. I've had the same experience lately. I mean, this one's a sparkling lemonade, and I think, you know, you're getting a little bit of just kind of the soul of mushroom when you're drinking this.
36:13It's not like drinking a Goldie, where you're like, I'm drinking a lemonade. Yeah. I think the mushrooms in general have this good health halo. People are still wondering about the functional benefit. What's interesting is they actually know and they can name the actual mushrooms that are being infused into these products. So people will talk about lion's mane or reishi or what's the third big one? Portobello. Cordyceps. Cordyceps. I just heard what's the big mushroom. The big mushroom. It is a big mushroom. It is a big mushroom. And where do you want with it? Well, because they're almost the same number of letters, cordyceps and portobello.
36:46That's hilarious. Yeah. Sorry. That's okay. We've been making all episodes. It's been one joke after another. We're not going to edit that one out. We're not editing that one out. All right. Well, let's just wrap this up here. How does it taste, Mike? DNS. DNS. Does not suck. Does not suck. That's a very high rating. And is it tasting lemonade? Do you taste any of the mushrooms? I mean, it's a mushroom drink. So yes, but it tastes like lemonade. You just went from, no, yeah. Absolutely. You can tell there's mushrooms. You can tell there's something in it besides pink lemonade. Okay. It's a little heavier, you know?
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From the publisher
Even in a tough fundraising market, investors are still writing checks. The question is: to whom?
This week, we break down the latest CPG investment data and examine why protein-packed, dye-free, and ingredient-conscious startups continue to stand out with investors.
We also take a closer look at the emerging products generating buzz – including protein candy, mushroom lemonade, snacking croutons, and tinned protein bars – and what they say about the future of food and beverage.
Show notes:
0:20: A Timely Story. Which Direction? Head North. Algae Oil Is Hot. Jacked Up. Crunch, Sip, Snack. – The hosts open the episode by discussing the rapid rise of better-for-you candy, prompted by a recent New York Times article highlighting the category's momentum. While debating the role of alternative sweeteners and whether consumers ultimately prefer lower-sugar formulations or products made with real sugar, they also discuss how the success of brands like Poppi has inspired entrepreneurs to apply similar better-for-you playbooks to adjacent categories. The conversation then shifts to investment trends, drawing on Northhall's Q2 2026 Food, Beverage & CPG Financing Report to examine which early-stage concepts are attracting the most investor interest. They highlight recent funding rounds for companies such as Buffs and Algae Cooking Club, along with large-scale M&A activity driven by major corporations repositioning their portfolios around evolving consumer preferences. The hosts also turn their attention to a range of new products, including protein bars packaged in sardine-style tins, snacking croutons, Korean-style bone broth, and mushroom-infused sparkling lemonade. They discuss merchandising strategies, consumer appeal, and whether these unconventional formats and flavors have the potential to break into the mainstream.
Brands in this episode: Rotten, Original Tiniez, Chewerz, Happy Candy, Better Sour, SmartSweets, Joyride, Good Greed, Poppi, Olipop, Buffs, Algae Cooking Club, Jacked Granny, RXBAR, David, Croots, Kushi, Pepperidge Farm, Reclamation, Brodo, Brio Drinks, Goldie




