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24 Sep 2026 · 10m · 3 chapters

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The Myth of Normal (3/5): Blindness isn't a tragic binary -- it's a rich spectrum | Andrew Leland

In short

Rethinking “normal” in health and medicine, focusing on blindness as a spectrum rather than a sight/no-sight binary.

Guest background

Andrew Leland is a writer who has been losing vision for about 20 years due to retinitis pigmentosa, a degenerative retinal condition; he’s legally blind with severe tunnel vision but still has some central vision.

Key claims

Definitions of blindness are paradoxical (the “paradox of the heap”); viral images can wrongly assume blind people can’t see; blindness includes many degrees and “styles” of vision loss, and stereotypes (e.g., psychic powers, super hearing, inability to work/travel) can cause fear and misconceptions.

Notable examples

his gradual adaptation to shrinking vision; the viral photo of a blind woman using a white cane while looking at a phone; mention of Daniel Kish’s echolocation and brain activity.

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Chapters

1:33

Understanding Blindness

A look into Andrew Leland's journey with blindness and its complexities.

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4:18

Understanding Blindness

A look into Andrew Leland's journey with blindness and its complexities.

“If you're envisioning a world of total darkness, you're not alone, but you're also not entirely correct.”
5:10

The Complexity of Blindness

Discussion on the paradoxes and societal misconceptions surrounding blindness.

“A white man with glasses sits at a marble table next to a plate of sliced pears.”
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2:02Hey, it's Shoshana, and welcome to my September playlist. Fall has a way of resetting our routines, new schedules, new rhythms, and with that reset comes a good chance to revisit our assumptions too. So I've been thinking about a question that comes up constantly in health and medicine, but we don't always stop to examine it. What do we mean when we call something normal? In science, we rely on norms all the time. Normal weight, normal vision, normal behavior, normal ways of coping, functioning, or moving through the world. Those categories can be incredibly useful, but they can also flatten a lot of human complexity.

2:41Because bodies and brains don't always fit neatly into the boxes that we've created for them. And sometimes what we think of as a personal failing, a limitation, or even a disorder looks very different once we understand the biology, the environment, or the assumptions underneath it. So I pulled five conversations from the TED Health Archive that make me rethink some of those assumptions. You'll hear from Mads Tan Christensen on why obesity is far more complicated than willpower. Kate Kale on why autism is so often missed in women and girls. Andrew Leland on why blindness is better understood as a spectrum than a binary.

3:21Amy Baxter on the surprising ways our brains shape the experience of pain. And Casey Davis on why something as ordinary as doing the laundry can become incredibly difficult, and why that has nothing to do with your worth. These episodes cover very different territory, but they all share a common idea. The more closely we look at what we call normal, the more complicated and often more interesting the picture becomes. And I think there's something freeing in that. It invites us to be a little less certain about the judgments we make and about other people and about ourselves. So this playlist is about rethinking normal, where our assumptions come from, who they leave out, and what we might see differently when we start questioning them.

4:13It's TED Health, and I'm your host, Dr. Shoshana Ungerleiter. What does it mean to be blind? If you're envisioning a world of total darkness, you're not alone, but you're also not entirely correct. For the past 20 years, writer Andrew Leland has been on a journey from sight to blindness due to a degenerative condition affecting his retinas. In his 2021 TED Studio talk, he challenges our assumptions about what blindness truly is and invites us to explore its complexities beyond the simple binary of sight or no sight. Join me on this enlightening journey through the eyes of someone who's losing their vision while gaining new perspectives.

5:10A white man with glasses sits at a marble table next to a plate of sliced pears. Hi, I'm Andrew Leland. I'm blind, and this is a TED Talk about blindness, which is confusing for me and for you, because just by watching me right now, you can probably tell I'm not blind. For example, I can tell that on this plate right here, there are five slices of pear arranged in a smiley face. Or, at that... A framed photo hangs on the wall behind him. ...is a photograph of a very sad hippo. So you might be wondering, if I can see all that, why am I talking about blindness? Okay, so I'm going blind. I don't know exactly when.

5:46As a teenager, I was diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa, or RP, which is a degenerative retinal condition. In my teens and early 20s, I only noticed it at night. Then in my early 30s, my peripheral vision started to deteriorate. Right now, I have central vision, but I'm seeing the world through a pretty narrow porthole. So even though I can see these pears and that hippo, I'm legally blind. I have severe tunnel vision, but it doesn't look like a tunnel because your brain adapts really quickly to whatever you see. Like if the frame of the movie you're watching starts to shrink to a much smaller size, at first you'll be annoyed.

6:20This sucks, you might say to yourself. I don't like watching this movie on this tiny screen. Then your complaints will soften and disappear, and your brain will adapt to the new normal. Like the first time you watch a movie on your cell phone, This will be annoyingly small at first, and then you just get used to it. So every time I lose another chunk of vision, at first I feel super extra blind, sometimes scared or claustrophobic. My world is shrinking. But then a week will go by, I get used to it. I don't feel so blind anymore. This experience of super gradual vision loss has given me time to think about what blindness is, which might seem like an obvious question.

6:57Blindness is the absence of sight, but it's actually more complicated than that. Trying to define blindness can start to feel paradoxical. There's a paradox that's useful in thinking about blindness. It's called the paradox of the heap. Let's say you have a heap of something, like sand or marbles or goji berries. Now, imagine I take a single little goji berry off of the heap. Is it still a heap? Okay, what if I remove a second tiny little goji berry from the heap? Obviously, that is still a heap also. But, the ancient Greek philosopher wondered, at what point is it no longer a heap? How many goji berries do I have to remove?

7:34Is it still a heap when there's only 10 left? Five? Vision works this way too. How much vision do I need to lose before I can legitimately call myself blind? I saw this photo online the other day. In the photo, a black woman holds a white cane and looks at a cell phone. The image circulated with the caption, if you can see what's wrong, say, I see it. Can you see what's wrong with this photo? The answer that the people sharing the photo had is that the woman can't be blind. If she is, why is she looking at her phone? Blind people don't look at things. The caption wants you to remember, blind people don't see.

8:08And if she can see, what's she doing with that long white cane that signals to the world that she's blind? Maybe she's trying to get sympathy that she doesn't deserve or trying to trick us somehow. So how blind do you have to be to be blind? How much vision do you have to remove from the heap of sight before it becomes blindness? People love binaries, especially people on the internet, which is a place that's not always very friendly to ambiguity. This photo was shared more than 33 ,000 times, and I think it went viral exactly because of its ambiguity. It illuminates a weird paradoxical truth about blindness.

8:43Blind people can see. I don't mean this in the way that people mean it when they talk about Daniel Kish. Kish makes clicking sounds with his mouth that he uses to navigate his environment, the way a bat uses sonar. Brain scans show that when Kish navigates his environment this way using his DIY sonar, his visual cortex lights up. That's amazing, but the point I'm making is much simpler. On the one hand, blindness is a binary. You're either blind or you're not. On the other hand, blindness is a spectrum. There are different degrees of blindness and different styles. Some people have the inverse of what I've got.

9:17They only see through their peripheral vision, with nothing in the center. Other blind people see the world as though their glasses have been smeared with Vaseline, or their head's been wrapped several times in saran wrap, or like they're looking through a thick, broken fishbowl. Only very few blind people see nothing at all. Total darkness. As I lose my sight, I experience this degeneration the way you might expect, as a loss. In the meantime, I feel privileged to still be able to see things like sunsets, or tree frogs, or celebrity breakfasts on Instagram. There's another paradox lurking around here.

9:50If blindness is a spectrum, could it also include somebody who's not actually blind? The paradox works the other way. How much sight do you have to add before someone's no longer blind? At a certain point, we do have to agree that someone's not blind, even if they don't see very well. I do think it's important to reserve blindness for people who don't have the luxury of correcting their vision, who need assistive technology to do things like read print or walk around. On the other hand, separating out blindness like this can lead people to view the blind as strange or mysterious or off-putting.

10:21And that can lead to fear and sometimes damaging misconceptions and stereotypes. Like the idea that blind people are psychic, which some people actually believe, or that they have super hearing. Words appear, superpowers for the blind. The brain rewires itself to boost the remaining senses. Or more destructively, that they can't go to a normal school or hold a normal job or travel on their own. So the next time you see a blind person do something that you think only a sighted person should do, like making eye contact with you or watching a movie or standing at a bus stop checking their phone, remember, it might be possible to see, even if you're blind.

11:08That's it for today's episode. Thank you so much for listening. This episode was produced by Dan O'Donnell and fact-checked by Vanessa Garcia-Woodworth. Special thanks to Maria Lages, Grace Rubenstein, Farrah Degrunge, Jimmy Gutierrez, Anna Phelan, Michelle Quint, and Colin Helms. I'm Dr. Shoshana Ungerleiter. I'll talk to you again next week.

11:36Today's episode is sponsored by Kashi. Say hi to new Kashi Gut Health Granola. a straightforward, delicious way to fuel your gut made with prebiotics, fiber, and cultures. My favorite flavor, blueberry almond has perfectly crispy clusters, delicious almonds, and bursts of whole blueberries. It's an easy fit for a daily routine, whether that's for breakfast or a snack. In a world of overwhelm, it's a straightforward, delicious choice. Try new Kashi Gut Health Granola.

12:08With no fees or minimums on checking accounts, it's no wonder the Capital One bank guy is so passionate about banking with Capital One. If he were here, he wouldn't just tell you about no fees or minimums. He'd also talk about how most Capital One cafes are open seven days a week to assist with your banking needs. Yep, even on weekends, it's pretty much all he talks about. In a good way. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See CapitalOne.com slash bank. Capital One N.A. Member FDIC.

13:03Andrew Leland: and there's always room to find new meaning in old lessons. Listen to Iyanla, The Inside Fix, wherever you get your podcasts.

From the publisher

When does vision loss become blindness? Writer, audio producer and editor Andrew Leland explains how his gradual loss of vision revealed a paradoxical truth about blindness -- and shows why it might have implications for how all of us see the world.


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