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7 Sep 2026 · 13m · 6 chapters

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4 steps to unlock your kid’s math potential | Shalinee Sharma

In short

TED Talks Daily episode featuring Shalini Sharma’s 2024 talk arguing that anyone can become “a math person,” and offering four steps to build a math mind: believe, understand (not memorize), make practice fun, and give math a second chance.

Guest backgrounds

Shalini Sharma is a math learning expert and education technologist; she founded/works with the math learning nonprofit Zern, has visited math classrooms on three continents, and has studied millions of students completing billions of math problems.

Key claims

labeling kids as “math kids” vs “not math kids” is harmful; math anxiety and falling behind are normal; teaching should build understanding and confidence.

Notable examples

ratios via peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich preferences; a fraction question where 73% of American fourth graders got it wrong; coordinate-plane and “Battleship” as game-based practice.

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Chapters

0:27

Introduction to Shalinee Sharma's Talk

Elise introduces math expert Shalinee Sharma and her perspective on math.

“You might have encountered this in your own life or with your kids, the label of being math-oriented or not.”
3:37

Math Labels and Early Experiences

Shalinee discusses the harmful labeling of kids as 'math people' or not.

“I'm a mom, and I have 13-year-old twin boys.”
6:00

Four Steps to Build a Math Mind

Shalinee presents the first two steps: belief and understanding in math.

“and hopefully put an end to this labeling nonsense once and for all.”
8:06

Making Math Fun and Engaging

Shalinee emphasizes the importance of engaging and fun math practice.

“And that's what math class feels like for a lot of kids.”
11:22

Giving Math a Second Chance

Shalinee discusses the final steps to rekindle love for math in children.

“A worksheet with 50 tedious long division problems.”
14:03

Embracing True Love for Math

Learn how to approach math with intention and patience.

“And when we do, no one can take that from us.”
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0:00Hey, y 'all. Elise Hu here. My three daughters just headed back to school with new backpacks, new teachers, and all that first-day energy. And back-to-school season can make me feel like a student again, too. So for this month's TED Talks Daily playlist, we have gathered five of our favorite talks about learning, teaching, and the joy of staying curious. No textbooks required. Happy listening.

0:26You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu. You might have encountered this in your own life or with your kids, the label of being math-oriented or not. I even remember thinking to myself when I was little, I guess I'm just not a math person. Well, in her 2024 talk, math expert Shalini Sharma says the truth is we can all become math people. And she explains how after the break.

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3:37And now, our TED Talk of the day. Let me get started with this. I'm a mom, and I have 13-year-old twin boys. I want to share a vivid memory from when they were in pre-K. A mom came over at Pickup to befriend me, and she started telling me about her daughter. She said, she's like me. She's just not a math kid. But your boys, your boys are math kids. We're just not math people. I was stunned. I worried if I opened my mouth to disagree, I'd say something crazy. And we all know the price of crazy at pickup. You never get invited to any playdates. So I bit my tongue. She was the smartest and sweetest mom, and I remember thinking, how do you know your four-year-old will never be good at math?

4:36Can you imagine if we thought the same thing in reading? If a kid struggled and we said, she's just not a reading kid. And then we took away all the challenging books and writing assignments for the rest of her school years. We'd never do that. We'd never be okay labeling some of the kids reading kids and leaving the rest illiterate. But that's exactly what we do in math. I'm a math learning expert and an education technologist. And believe it or not, I was not always a math kid. But for the last 12 years, I have observed millions of students complete billions of math problems, and I've visited math classrooms on three continents, all to build the math learning nonprofit Zern.

5:25And in all that work, I've learned one important thing. We're asking the wrong question in math learning. Instead of asking who can learn math, we should be asking, how do you teach math? Because when we ask who, we imply that math learning is some rare genetic ability. But it's not. We have piles of data that tell us we can all build a math mind, and we all need a math mind. And so I have four steps to offer that begin to answer the question, how do we build a math mind, and hopefully put an end to this labeling nonsense once and for all. Step one, believe. Remember when I said I wasn't always a math kid?

6:12I was in sixth grade. I had just transferred schools. and it was in math class that I fell apart. I had no friends in math class and the kids who were thriving were a group of boys who wouldn't talk to me. But I would not talk to them either because they were grody.

6:35One day after a test, my teacher called me over to his desk and he said, if you try your very best, you could be just as good as the boys. Eek. Not an ideal thing to say to a little girl. And the gender gaps in math persist today. But it didn't matter, because my heart exploded. The coolest teacher I had ever met said that I could succeed. Hyperbole maybe, but I think his words changed the course of my life. Because he believed he started a powerful chain reaction. because he believed I built up the courage to ask for extra help. And with that extra help, I did the extra work. And with that courage, extra help and extra work, I became a math kid.

7:27And along the way, I learned my experience was pretty normal. All kids, even the math kids, fall behind struggle or feel math anxiety. But the difference for those kids is someone believes. and so they do the work and they catch up. Actually, in any subject you learn, you can fall behind, but that's usually a signal to work harder. But in math, that same signal is that you don't have what it takes and we give up and seal our fate. And so that's why the first step is to believe. and the second step is to understand don't just memorize math understand it and use pictures let's say you have to take a reading test and you memorize 200 words to take the test you don't actually know how to read but let's say you get an A on the test and then naturally a few weeks later you'd forget a lot of what you'd memorized but with it you would forget how to read read.

8:34Terrifying, right? And that's what math class feels like for a lot of kids. Think about how you can grab any book off a shelf and feel calm and confident because you can read it. What if your math learning felt like that, where everything clicked into place and your math learning was durable? Let's take a big idea in math. Ratios and proportional reasoning. One is to two, or three is to one. More scary math to memorize? No way. I can use a picture from my everyday life to understand ratios. Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. My twins have very different taste preferences. One likes his sandwich with one spoon of jelly and two spoons of peanut butter.

9:25And the other likes his sandwich with three spoons of jelly and one spoon of peanut butter. Very different ratios, very different sandwiches. Math can and should make sense. Now let's take a look at this problem. Which fraction has a value closest to one half? Two halves, five eighths, one sixth, or one fifth? Now, a lot of us have been trained to just jump right in and start calculating. We're looking for a common denominator across these fractions. And because that's kind of hard to do for 8, 6, 5, and 2 in your head, you might even reach for a piece of paper. But there is another way to get started, which is to pause and to understand.

10:16You might imagine or draw a rectangle and shade in one part and imagine what is one half. And then what is two halves? Well, that's the exact same rectangle, but now I've shaded in both parts. So two halves is one whole. And pretty soon from imagining or drawing these rectangles, it would become obvious that 5-8 is the only reasonable option, because sometimes the reward of understanding is not having to calculate at all. Now, this question was given to American fourth graders on a national test, and 73 % got this question wrong. The most commonly picked answer? Two halves. the most wrong answer possible.

11:14Because that's what happens when we memorize math. And so just like we have to make math meaningful, step three is we have to make math fun. Make math practice fun. Math practice. I know what you're thinking. A worksheet with 50 tedious long division problems. But we've known for years. In reading, if we want kids to learn it and to love it, we need to appeal to their interests. Fantasy novels with elves, graphic novels with spies. What's that in math? Games. Card games, board games, real-world games you just make up on the fly. And just like we're told to read to our kids for 20 minutes a day, play games often.

12:06When my twins were little, a favorite was the game Battleship, where the objective is to sink the opponent's ship, but also an engaging application of the coordinate plane. If you get a hit on E5, you're quickly thinking of which coordinate to call out next. You can also just play simple games that you make up in the real world. When our twins were little, we'd give them$10 each at the farmer's market. and we'd say, make sure you count the change before you hand over the money. Otherwise, how do you know you're not getting ripped off? And a tip with all these games, don't make them a math lesson.

12:49Just like you wouldn't stop reading a book to underline the subject and the verb with your kids, just have fun and let your kids have fun too. And that brings me to the fourth and final step. give math a second chance. You might love it. Have you ever noticed how the math kids giggle about math? They love it. They love the power and the beauty of math. And it's not because they're made of different genetic stuff. It's because somebody believed in them. And they learned math so they understood. And they had fun. so they practiced enough to build a math mind. And maybe that wasn't your experience growing up, and that's okay.

13:43We can all give math a second chance now for ourselves and for our kids. Look, we all know that it's pretty hard for our kids to like something if we hate it. And the world of math can be mean and exclusive. But it can change when we make a decision, when we see the power and the beauty of math. And when we do, no one can take that from us. Kierkegaard once talked about two kinds of love, spontaneous love and true love. Spontaneous love just happens to you. You don't have any control over it. But true love is something different. It's where you decide. And so the change in you is to approach math with the plan, with the knowledge, and with the patience that you will get to true love.

14:40Because in math, true love is waiting for you. Thank you.

14:53That was Shalini Sharma speaking at TED at BCG in 2024. This talk was originally published in December of that year. If you're curious about TED's curation, visit TED.com slash curation guidelines. And that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is a podcast from TED. This episode was fact-checked by the TED Research Team and produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Lucy Little, Emma Taubner, and Tansika Sungmarnivong. Additional support from Daniela Ballarezzo, Christopher Faze-Bogan, Valentina Bohanini, Banban Chang, Brian Green, and Lainey Lott. Learn more at podcasts.ted.com.

15:35I am Elise Hu. Thanks for listening.

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From the publisher

Math isn't just for "math kids" — it's for everyone, says learning expert Shalinee Sharma. She outlines four simple steps to transform your approach to math, creating an environment where any kid can develop a strong mathematical mind.


This episode originally aired in 2024.


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