

17 Apr 2026 · 19m · 7 chapters

Peter Steinberger recounts how he built OpenClaw, an open-source AI agent platform that “claws” into a user’s computer, went viral after being released publicly, and sparked debate about whether agents are a real shift beyond chatbots. He argues agents can reshape work/creation by automating tasks, coordinating sub-agents, and enabling specialized multi-agent systems, while emphasizing sandboxing and security layers.
Peter Steinberger is the OpenClaw founder and a long-time programmer (started at 14). He previously built a company without venture capital, then sold it. The episode also includes a brief Q&A with Ted Chairman Chris Anderson.
Agents improvise and can act end-to-end (e.g., handle audio conversion, missing dependencies, and API keys). Viral release created ~800+ messages overnight; privacy leakage didn’t occur. OpenClaw’s growth was driven by non-programmers building real products.
A WhatsApp bot; a Marrakesh trip using voice; “raising lobsters” in China (Tencent Shenzhen lineups, subsidies); a beer sommelier automating a 90-minute brew via Bluetooth; a “heartbeat” feature that periodically wakes to check email/calendar; meeting agents that listen bidirectionally and trigger sub-agents to verify statistics.
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Peter shares the moment he let his AI agent loose, sparking a viral sensation.
“He makes a fascinating and slightly unnerving case that agents are a real shift, not just better versions of chatbots, and explores how they might reshape your ability to work, create and build.”
Peter recounts his journey of developing OpenClaw and its innovative features.
“Listen or watch on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you're listening to this podcast.”
The unexpected success and challenges faced after OpenClaw's launch.
“Remember, this agent, by default, can do anything that you can do on your computer.”
Peter discusses the potential and future of AI agents and OpenClaw Foundation.
“So at ClawCon in Vienna, because yes, we have conferences already, and people wear lobster headbands, I met Stefan and his 60-year-old dad Gerhard, a beer sommelier who never wrote a single line of code.”
Exploration of how specialized AI agents can transform business and creativity.
“You might have your work agent, your personal claw, maybe one for health, maybe one for a relationship.”
Discussion on the responsibilities and safety measures in AI development.
“I mean, I think I want to say something personal to you, with love.”
Insight into the potential benefits and dangers of AI technology.
“I mean, you're making a huge bet on human ingenuity using this.”

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0:05Chris Anderson: I'm your host, Elise Hu.
0:10Peter Steinberger: Though I forgot, I built a system to be resilient. So while I was walking to the bedroom, the agent happily booted up again and talked to everyone in the world. The next morning I woke up. Over 800 messages. I panicked. I pulled the plug. I read every single message just to see if the agent leaked my private life. Nothing happened. But it could have.
0:36Chris Anderson: That's OpenClaw founder Peter Steinberger, who created the wildly popular AI agent platform in late 2025. In his talk, he takes us back to this transformative moment where he let his AI agent loose on the Internet, igniting one of the world's fastest growing open source projects. He makes a fascinating and slightly unnerving case that agents are a real shift, not just better versions of chatbots, and explores how they might reshape your ability to work, create and build.
1:06Peter Steinberger: What we need in the future is more people spending more time with AI to better understand how powerful and transformative this technology really is.
1:18Chris Anderson: Stick around afterwards. His talk is followed by a brief Q &A with Ted Chairman Chris Anderson. That's coming up right after a short break. Thank you.
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3:45Chris Anderson: And now, our TED Talk of the day.
3:48Peter Steinberger: What's OpenClaw? I've been programming since I was 14. Building software felt like playing a video game. I couldn't stop until I did. I created a company. I poured a decade of my life into it. No venture capital every weekend. And then I sold the dream. And I felt absolutely nothing. For three years, I was wondering, did Sarah B. travel? I changed countries twice. Nothing clicked. You know, I wake up every morning with everything I was supposed to want and no reason to get out of bed. And then, in early 2025, I tried an experiment. I wanted to see what these new AI coding agents are all about.
4:55Peter Steinberger: And I had what I can only describe as a holy shit moment. The boilerplate, the plumbing, all the boring parts that was software development, AI could do all of it. The bottleneck is no longer typing. It's syncing. And syncing was the part I did 25 years. Building software felt like playing a video game again. I was back. I built 44 projects in just a few months. And the latest one was a WhatsApp bot. I put it on my computer. It talks through the apps that you already know. And then I took it on a trip to Marrakesh. You know, just to navigate around, to find restaurants, do translations. and at first it didn't really feel right.
5:59Peter Steinberger: It felt too much like a tool, not like a friend. You know, too many bullet points, too many tables. So I told it. Because those modern models, they are so smart. They know what WhatsApp is. They know how people talk. I just had to tell it. And then it felt right. And you know how you talk to friends? At some point, I was walking around, and I was sending it a voice message. And then I froze, because I actually didn't build voice in there. I had support for images, yeah, but even that took hours. So I was looking at the typing indicator, and then the agent responded. And I very vividly remember this situation.
6:51I was standing there and I was like, how did you do that?
6:56Peter Steinberger: And the agent replied, I'm not kidding you, the mad lad figured it out on its own. And then it walked me through every single step. It got a message from me, but there was no file ending. So it inspected the file, it found that it was audio, but a weird format, so it converted it. And then it was looking for something to translate the audio, but I didn't have it installed. but then it found an open AI key, it sent the whole thing to the server, it got it back, and then it replied. All of that in nine seconds. Can you imagine? I didn't build any of that. For me, this was the moment where I thought, this is something new.
7:37Peter Steinberger: This is not a chatbot. Chatbots give up. Agents improvise. And you know, I was sold. I wanted to share this. I wanted to tell people on Twitter, And nobody really got it. It's almost like you have to experience an agent. It's kind of hard to explain. It took me a few weeks. And then I did something stupid.
8:07Peter Steinberger: Remember, this agent, by default, can do anything that you can do on your computer. So obviously, I put it in a public Discord and I invited random people. And I was looking at it the whole night. People were talking with it, people were having fun with it, people tried to hack it. And when my eyes were like falling off almost, I exited the process and I went to bed. Though I forgot, I built a system to be resilient. So while I was walking to the bedroom, the agent happily booted up again and talk to everyone in the world. The next morning, I woke up. Over 800 messages. I panicked. I pulled the plug.
8:59Peter Steinberger: I read every single message just to see if the agent leaked my private life. Nothing happened. But it could have. But that was the moment where it went viral. Today, the project is called OpenClaw. It's pretty much the fastest-growing open-source project. Its mascot is a lobster. It claws into your machine. Jensen Huang calls it the operating system for personal AI. I was not ready. You know, when something blows up like this, everything explodes. Hundreds of messages, reporters calling me in the middle of the night, security vulnerabilities. And then the AI company, whose model most of my users loved, sent me a trademark claim.
9:58Peter Steinberger: I had to rename the whole thing while it was taking off. You know, they even tried to push me away from the lobster. Like I was staring at the message. It was like, it's not even the same animal. And then they also cut off the model most of my users loved. You know, first the name, then the lobster, then the model. I was that close of just deleting the whole thing. But then I learned what people are building with it. So at ClawCon in Vienna, because yes, we have conferences already, and people wear lobster headbands, I met Stefan and his 60-year-old dad Gerhard, a beer sommelier who never wrote a single line of code.
10:58Peter Steinberger: They connected OpenClaw via Bluetooth, send it one prompt, and the agent did the whole 90-minute brew. Temperature ramps, hop additions, everything. And then they were like, what are we doing with all this beer? And the agent was, let's make a website. So they built a website, and then they added payments, and now they have a real product. And almost all of it was just done via the phone. In China. Installing OpenClaw is called raising lobsters. Thousands of people were lining up at the Tencent office in Shenzhen to get their lobster installed. Shenzhen even gives out subsidies for people running businesses on OpenClaw.
11:54Peter Steinberger: Now, if you install OpenClaw on your work machine, at least with the default settings, you might get fired. And then I met an entrepreneur in China who showed me a spreadsheet. Every employee, every day, one task automated by OpenClaw. If you miss too many days, you're fired. So, fired for using it. Fired for not using it. After Marrakesh, I thought, this is incredible. And it's also a little bit scary. How can we make it more scary? So I added a new feature, a heartbeat. You know, by default, the agent would only wake up when you send it a prompt. With the heartbeat, the agent would just wake up periodically.
12:54Peter Steinberger: Check your emails, check your calendar, follow up on loose ends. My initial prompt was simply, surprise me. And yes, that's kind of as scary as it sounds. So no large company would ship something like that. But I'm a random builder from Austria. I don't have a legal department. I built this sandbox, this sandcastle for me, and I made it open source, so other people could play with it. and other people could raise their imagination. Imagine putting an agent into a meeting. Not for notes. We figured that out. A bidirectional model that can listen and hear at the same time. Somebody mentions a statistic.
13:49Peter Steinberger: A subagent can spin off and check it for you. A decision is made. The agent can send a follow-up before the meeting even ends. In the future, we're not just going to have one agent. You might have your work agent, your personal claw, maybe one for health, maybe one for a relationship. And they all should work together in a secure way. Because how did humanity level up? By specializing and collaborating. And agents are about to do the same. Imagine a company, a small business, that has 10 agents that are all specialized taking over various parts of the business. We don't even have a name for what it might become, but we are about to find out.
14:40So I created the OpenClaw Foundation,
14:46Peter Steinberger: a non-profit, open source, forever. Because what OpenClaw did for many people was It moved AI from this scary, nebulous thing into something that is fun and useful and maybe a bit weird. You know, lobsters and headbands and beer businesses. Because what we need in the future is more people spending more time with AI to better understand how powerful and transformative this technology really is. In New York, at ClawCon, yes, you're everywhere now, there were thousands of people that were discussing what their lobster did this week. A rettoree in Shenzhen who automated their groceries. A teenager in Sao Paulo who built a tutoring business on OpenClaw.
15:53Gerhard and his beer machine.
15:57Peter Steinberger: None of them are programmers. All of them are builders. Because that's the real transformation. It's not the technology, it's the access. Agents change who can build things, and that door is not closing again. because when you can prompt a prototype into existence in one hour, anything is possible. The next breakthrough can come from anyone, any country, any cafe. When even a burned-out founder is staring at the screen, wondering if his spark is gone, can do something like that. It's not gone. It's just waiting. The lobster is loose, and it's not going back into the tank. Thank you very much.
17:01Chris Anderson: Come here. I mean, I think I want to say something personal to you, with love. But truth, you really terrify me. I'm serious if Hollywood was to ever make a movie in which humanity opened Pandora Box and everything went crazy you seriously could be cast as the star character because the story we're told is that AI researchers are doing all this great stuff but they're taking all these great efforts to ensure safety and make sure nothing bad could happen You take glee in seeing what might happen if you just put it out there. Is any part of you feeling that that's a little bit reckless?
17:54Peter Steinberger: I wouldn't say so. I see my work as a window into the future. Like, in the very beginning, there were all these scary moments. Now we have proper security layers. you can have your sandbox, you can put your lobster into a very small, tiny box and really control what it can do. There are still some issues that we need to figure out, but the fact that so many people want this now will help to figure this out much faster.
18:28Chris Anderson: So I'm glad you mentioned the security layers. I mean, you're making a huge bet on human ingenuity using this. This is an incredible tool that suddenly can maximize the power of what any human can do.
18:48Chris Anderson: How many people in your community are taking the safety issue seriously and want to use OpenClaw, for example, to find smarter ways of just checking whether anything might be going wrong and giving an early alarm to someone or something like that?
19:04Peter Steinberger: Most people are not as reckless of, number one, putting it into a public Discord. Strongly don't recommend. Number two, I think I single-handedly increased Mac Mini sales by multiple percent. So most people give it their own little Mac Mini. Mine's a little princess. Mine got a Mac Studio. It calls it the castle. And that greatly reduces the actual risk, because you can only access what's on that computer, and maybe all your pictures are not there.
19:36Chris Anderson: Well, definitely if humanity goes down, I'll be very grateful for at least the rise in Mac mini sales. You are amazing. You are amazing. And I think you're actually right at the cutting edge of whether AI is going to be the biggest boon ever or possibly a serious problem. And help us get smarter on how to do this the right way. Because it is absolutely incredible what you've built. Thank you for sharing so nicely. Thank you.
20:10Chris Anderson: That was Peter Steinberger at TED 2026. If you're curious about TED's curation, find out more at ted.com slash curation guidelines. And that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective. This talk was fact-checked by the TED Research Team and produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Green, Lucy Little, and Tonsika Sungmarnivong. This episode was mixed by Lucy Little. Additional support from Emma Taubner and Daniela Ballarezzo. I'm Elise Hu. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening.
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OpenClaw creator Peter Steinberger takes us back to the transformative moment he let his AI agent loose on the internet, igniting one of the world's fastest-growing open-source projects. He makes a fascinating (and slightly unnerving) case that agents are a real shift, not just better versions of chatbots, and explores how they might reshape your ability to work, create and build. "The lobster is loose, and it's not going back into the tank," he says. (Followed by a brief Q&A with TED Chairman Chris Anderson)
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