

7 Sep 2026 · 18m · 6 chapters

Trish Millines-Dizako argues that public schools should stop prioritizing standardized-test performance and instead nurture “every student’s genius” through interdisciplinary, anti-racist, project-based learning with authentic assessment and student voice.
Trish Millines-Dizako is an education advocate who left a 17-year tech career to co-found a nonprofit preparing students of color for tech jobs; she now sets vision/strategy for partnerships with public schools to create collaborative, anti-racist learning environments.
Textbook/scripted curricula “leave little room” for exploration and academic risk-taking; project-based learning lets teachers tailor instruction, use multiple assessments, and students set goals and take risks.
Bowes Elementary (Tacoma) fifth graders plan a multi-generational mission to Alpha Centauri, including governance, constitution, and research; partner-school projects include an immigration museum (7th grade), culture cookbooks (6th grade), wearable tech for sickle cell flare detection (10th grade), and equitable urban neighborhood models (11th grade).
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Elise introduces education advocate Trish Millines Dziko and hints at her approach to education.
“You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day.”
Trish shares an inspiring example of fifth graders planning to colonize Alpha Centauri.
“Let me tell you about the fifth grade students at Bowes Elementary School in Tacoma.”
Trish discusses the shortcomings of traditional education and advocates for a system that nurtures student talents.
“and as it stands our public education system is not cultivating future leaders and in particular, students of color are constantly devalued and marginalized.”
Trish outlines how project-based learning fosters critical thinking and student engagement.
“one of the most equitable ways to teach.”
Learn how schools can create environments that foster each student's unique talents.
“An environment where real learning is happening and students are discovering their own genius.”
Learn how schools can create environments that foster each student's unique talents.
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0:00Trish Millines Dziko: Hey y 'all, Elise Hugh here. My three daughters just headed back to school with new backpacks, new teachers, and all that first day energy. And back to school season can make me feel like a student again, too. So for this month's TED Talks Daily playlist, we have gathered five of our favorite talks about learning, teaching, and the joy of staying curious. No textbooks required. Happy listening.
0:26Trish Millines Dziko: You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu. What would public school curricula look like if they weren't so focused on helping kids pass standardized tests? Education advocate Trish Milinas-Dizako has developed a method and ideas for just that. In her 2021 talk at TEDxSeattle, she shares how project-based learning has benefited students and teachers. Her talk is after a short sponsor message.
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3:42Trish Millines Dziko: And now, our TED Talk of the day.
3:45TED Team: Let me tell you about the fifth grade students at Bowes Elementary School in Tacoma. They spend the entire school year planning to colonize the planet Alpha Centauri, to create, to preserve future generations. They will get there on a multi-generational spacecraft so that the grandkids of the people on the ship will arrive at Alpha Centauri ready to start a new civilization. Now, projects like these usually start with a guiding question. And theirs is, how do you sustain life for a generation on a spacecraft? These 10-year-olds get into initial conversations about governance on the spacecraft, the necessities to have on board.
4:40TED Team: Is it even ethical to have a generation live and die on a spacecraft? And what roles are needed to create a functioning community. There are some whispers and some head nods as the teacher explains to them that this quarter they're expected to deliver a persuasive essay, a 30-second elevator speech, a model of the section of the spacecraft in diorama form, a system of government with laws and a constitution, and a research display demonstrating their knowledge of planets. That's a lot. But these students aren't fazed. They've been here before. What they're interested in is what group they'll be in and what roles they will play.
5:34TED Team: Now, I don't know about you, but when I was in fifth grade, I wasn't doing that. But for many of these students, they have been learning like this since kindergarten. You heard that right. Kindergarten. Shoot, when I was in fifth grade, we sat in cemetery rows in academically segregated classrooms. And sadly, things have not changed. In most schools, students are sitting, listening to the teacher, and many of them scared to death they'll get called on to answer a question. And too often, students are totally deflated because the teacher is spending more time on classroom management than engaging them.
6:24so these students and the generations behind them they are our talent pool for everything
6:33TED Team: from community organizing to running business to running government and everything in between and as it stands our public education system is not cultivating future leaders and in particular, students of color are constantly devalued and marginalized. Regardless of background, students need to envision themselves as successful in life and how teachers deliver the lessons plays a big role in that. The most common way to teach is through a textbook or a series of textbooks and a scripted curriculum, and then let the test decide if the students learned anything. And while you get coverage, it leaves little room for student voice, exploration, intellectual rigor, and academic risk-taking.
7:37TED Team: This is schooling, not educating. And the long-term impact is that students likely won't have that autonomous spirit they need in the work environment. This is not what most teachers signed up for. It's not. I don't think there's a single teacher candidate that said, I want to be a teacher so I can help kids pass standardized tests.
8:14TED Team: 25 years ago, I left my 17-year tech career and co-founded a non-profit that prepared students of color for jobs in the tech industry. And over time, we learned about our students' experiences in the public education system. And we began to wonder, What would happen if we rebuilt public schools to develop the genius in every student and give them the tools to be critical thinkers, problem solvers, ideators, and leaders? So we got a bunch of educators to help us answer that question. Today, my job is to set the vision and strategy for how we partner with public schools to create collaborative, anti-racist learning environments grounded in equity.
9:11TED Team: Where students can actively participate in their own education instead of memorizing for tests. where the curriculum is delivered in a way that supports the needs of our students, where professionals in the community are invited to participate in teaching and learning. The teaching and learning is built on interdisciplinary project-based learning, one of the most equitable ways to teach. This approach enables teachers to understand how each student learns, use multiple ways to assess their knowledge, and then make instructional adjustments based on the results. Now, students, they get a chance to set their own goals.
10:10TED Team: They have time to discuss the work. They take academic risks. and along the way they get to discover who they are as learners and speaking of learners let's take a visit to our fifth grade alpha centurions and listen in as their teacher facilitates a discussion about how native americans live they talk about the logistics and the preparation behind the colonizers move out west and how colonizers always had conflicts with Native Americans. And the students vowed that they will do better on Alpha Centauri. They will ensure that everyone has equal rights and lives well. And you better believe it will be part of their constitution.
11:05TED Team: And if you poke your head in the classroom next door, which is rather loud, you will see that kids are in their small groups using their math skills to calculate the human capacity for their spacecraft. And another set of students will be working on their planet research. When we visit a week or so later, there might be a visiting engineer talking to the students about design specifications. Or the classroom could be empty because the students are at the Museum of flight, sitting in real spacecrafts and learning how they work. Bringing that authentic context to learning helps students retain knowledge and generate new ideas.
11:55TED Team: After weeks and weeks of working on their projects and giving each other authentic, supportive feedback and doing that fine-tuning, the students are ready for the big day, the exhibition of learning. This is where hundreds of people from the community, the most important members being their parents and families, come to see the students present their work. The students are all dressed up. They're a little nervous. They're excited at the same time, kind of like me right now. And the teachers are beaming with pride as they recognize how far each student has come in their learning journey. Okay, and the parents, the parents, The parents are high-fiving and, you get it, girl, and that's my baby, and you go, boy.
12:57TED Team: And there's just so much praise. And the students feel accomplished and more confident. This is project-based learning in action. These students are developing the advanced critical thinking skills they will use throughout their lives. They are learning through exploration. There is confirmation their unique voice matters. These students have the freedom to create a world with their 10-year-old imaginations that's actually grounded in academic rigor. This is educating versus schooling.
13:52There is teacher support, diverse interactions, team building, and practical application of reading, writing, math, and science. An environment where real learning is happening and students are discovering their own genius.
14:14TED Team: Plus, I have to say, it's just a lot of fun to learn this way.
14:22Students who attend our partner schools learn this way in every single stage of their academic career.
14:35TED Team: Starting in kindergarten, students are encouraged to share their views, to ask questions. and support each other. They are creating a community in an environment that is safe and their own. At middle school, the students are starting to become socially aware. They care about things like world hunger and immigration and homelessness. One year, the seventh graders at Taffys Ahali and Federal Way turned their classrooms into an immigration museum, exploring the historic and contemporary issues of immigration. And the sixth graders used food to learn about each other's cultures. They created cookbooks with recipes and stories from their countries of origin.
15:36TED Team: And then on exhibition night, they cooked for everybody. And it was actually pretty good. By the time students get to high school, they have enough experience that they can address a wide range of issues and opportunities. A group of 10th graders created wearable technology that detected the flare-up signs in sickle cell anemia. Experiencing gentrification in their own neighborhoods, 11th graders created plans and models for equitable, financially sustainable urban neighborhoods. The list goes on and on. This is how we develop the strong leaders and critical thinkers of tomorrow. Our students deserve to learn in an environment that includes and understands their unique voice, their individual genius.
16:52TED Team: If we are going to rebuild public education, we have to be on a continuous cycle of recognizing, intentionally undoing, and ultimately replacing the institutional practices that under-educate and harm our children. And there are a couple things that we can do right now. We can reallocate the tens of millions of dollars each state spends on standardized tests every year. And we can invest the majority of that in teacher professional development so that our teachers can continually hone their instructional and assessment skills. And then we can take the rest and invest it in a national effort to curate authentic assessment methods and projects from teachers all over the country.
18:03TED Team: I believe that this will bring joy and respect back to teaching. We also need to embed racial equity in the DNA of how we operate schools.
18:25Achieving racial equity is a journey that requires dedication, consistency, and accountability.
18:35TED Team: It needs to be normalized as part of the daily practice of principals, administrators, teachers, and staff. We can do this. We can. All it takes is political will. So, education either functions as an instrument to bring about conformity or freedom.
19:11TED Team: Let's give our children freedom. Thank you. Thank you.
19:24Trish Millines Dziko: That was Trish Millens-Zico speaking at TEDxSeattle in 2021. This talk was originally published in July of 2022. If you're curious about TED's curation, visit ted.com slash curation guidelines. And that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is a podcast from TED. This episode was fact-checked by the TED Research Team and produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Lucy Little, Emma Taubner, and Tansika Sungmarnivong. Additional support from Daniela Ballarezzo, Christopher Faze-Bogan, Valentina Bohanini, Banban Chang, Brian Green, and Lainey Lott. Learn more at podcasts.ted.com.
20:07Trish Millines Dziko: I am Elise Hu. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening.
20:18Thank you.
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Forget home economics and standardized tests, education visionary Trish Millines Dziko has a much more engaging and fulfilling way for students to develop real-world skills. Get schooled by Dziko as she shares how project-based learning can transform public education and unlock genius for the next generation of critical thinkers, problem solvers, ideators and leaders.
This episode originally aired in 2022.
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