

15 Apr 2026 · 21m · 11 chapters

Why favorite songs feel powerful—how musical tools (tone, melody stability, chords, repetition) and lyrics help listeners process emotions and form memories; includes a personal story of writing/using songs during breast cancer and a “name it to tame it” framing.
Scarlett Keyes is a songwriter and Berklee College of Music professor; she deconstructs songwriting techniques at a piano. Elise Hu hosts; Susan Cattaneo is referenced as a friend/artist who co-wrote a song with Keyes.
Tone and melody expectations shape emotion; stable vs unstable pitches change meaning. Chords (3–4 notes) color lyric mood. Repetition uses the “rule of three” but too much causes habituation. Music can boost dopamine and reduce stress (cortisol).
“Someone Like You” (Adele) rewritten to show how pitch stability changes belief/empathy; “About Damn Time” (Lizzo) as a fight song after chemo/double mastectomy; “You Are the Wind Beneath My Wings” tied to feeling supported.
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Scarlett Keyes discusses the emotional complexity and power of songs.
“from tone and repetition to lyrics and chords.”
Exploration of how songs serve as emotional memories tied to personal experiences.
“From birthday parties, lullabies, our first love, our first heartbreak, our wedding song, our next wedding song, and ultimately the song that's played at our funeral.”
Discussion on the role of tone and melody in evoking emotions in music.
“That's something we all understand, tone.”
How chords and lyrics work together to convey emotions in songwriting.
“In the verse and in the pre-chorus, she runs into her ex unexpectedly, and she's clearly still in love.”
How repetition in music engages listeners and affects emotional responses.
“What if I was despondent or very upset about the fact that I'm eating this Snickers bar?”
Suggestions for using music to influence mood and process emotions effectively.
“and then I surprised you and you were re-engaged.”
Explore how humor helps in coping with aging and body changes.
“instead of awkward silences and small talk, put on a song you know they love and let the dopamine flow.”
Learn how music provides comfort and support during health challenges.
“I know you don't relate, but yes, I was able to laugh at the aging process and better accept and the delivery of my first AARP magazine.”
Discover the process of using songwriting to deal with complex emotions.
“And I said, it's going to take everything I've got to get through this.”
Understand the significance of love and support during difficult times.
“we can transmute and metabolize difficult emotions.”
A brief overview of Scarlett Keyes' experience and insights shared.

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0:03You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu. Songs are the soundtrack of our lives. But why exactly do they make us feel the way they do? One day, my dear friend and artist, Susan Cattaneo, came to visit and I said, I'm ready to start processing some of this. I'd like to write a song. And of course, the first instinct could have been the minor key. I was feeling a lot more complicated and complex than that. So we decided to write it in a major key, altering one note. So it was a blend of darkness and light. That's songwriter Scarlett Keyes.
0:44In this archive talk from 2023, she sits down at a piano to deconstruct the tools musicians use to make a melody unforgettable. from tone and repetition to lyrics and chords. She sheds light on music's ability to transform moments into memories. When we listen to songs that give name to how we feel or we write them, we can transmute and metabolize difficult emotions. And I felt better on the other side of this song. That's coming up right after a short break.
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4:00And now, our TED Talk of the day. Songs are the soundtrack of our lives. From birthday parties, lullabies, our first love, our first heartbreak, our wedding song, our next wedding song, and ultimately the song that's played at our funeral. Songs enhance the moment or the season. They help us dance. They make us cry. They make us run the extra mile. and they can even make us hate sitting in traffic just a little bit less. Songs help us remember our lives. They are a time capsule and a time machine. Imagine you're riding in your car next to your partner in your perfectly happy marriage when all of a sudden that song comes on.
4:58That song, you know, that song from that one summer love. and as your partner is sweetly giving you a traffic update, you are gone, evaporated. Evaporated from your heated seat back to that Greek island. With the sunset lips of Pericles Constantine Danos coming in for a kiss. You have been transported by a song that was encoded in your brain that summer. It's not your fault. Songs are powerful. Have you ever thought about what's in a song, what's in those three and a half minutes of arranged sound that have such impact? We all listen to and turn to songs. I've had the privilege of being someone who writes songs, and as a professor at the Berklee College of Music, I help other artists write theirs.
5:56And there's tools we use as songwriters that affect emotion. One of the tools we use is tone. That's something we all understand, tone. Imagine you're sitting in a cold hospital room waiting to meet your doctor, wearing nothing but your underwear beneath your dignity gown, and your doctor comes in. Nobody wants to hear, hello, my name is Dr. Watson and I'm your brain surgeon. We want to hear, hello, my name is Dr. Watson and I am your brain surgeon. Because when his tone of voice goes up, so does your heart rate. And when his tone of voice goes down, you feel calm and like, I'm in good hands. So tone of voice matters.
6:36The next time you go on a first date, you can either say, I haven't been on a date in a while. Or you can say, I haven't been on a date in a while.
6:52it matters it matters so think of melody as the song's tone of voice what how we say what we say is oftentimes more important than what we say as western listeners we have a relationship to melody and we have an expectation to that relationship so i'm going to play something and when i stop playing, I want you to tell me what you expect me to play next.
7:29There it is, exactly. So some notes feel stable and some notes feel more unstable begging for resolution and that's very powerful information for a songwriter to know. The words we place on those notes make the listener feel certain things. I'd like to take a moment to ruin an Adele song.
7:59I'm sure you've all heard her song, Someone Like You. In the verse and in the pre-chorus, she runs into her ex unexpectedly, and she's clearly still in love. And in the chorus, she says, never mind, I'll find someone like you. Okay, you know the song. What if she had sung it like this? Never mind, I'll find someone like you. What happened? I apologize, by the way. in my version we believe her we believe she will find someone like you no problem there's plenty of you out there because I have paired stable notes in the key and stable chords bringing a feeling of stability but that's not the melody she's saying those weren't the tones that she sang.
8:50This is her version. Never mind, I'll find someone like you.
9:00Do you feel the difference? So when she sang never mind, she sang it on that the most stable note in the major key. When she sang find someone, she sang it on that note that you all wanted me to resolve back to the home note, find someone. And then she sings you on the bittersweet six degree of the major scale, breaking your heart. You. In her version, we know she will never find anyone like you. We know that because she has paired unstable pitches to match the way she's feeling, building empathy with the audience. Go Adele.
9:49Another way that songwriters emotionalize our lyrics is the use of chords. Chords are just three to four notes played at the same time. Three, four. And chords have a lot to say about how our lyrics feel. So let's say I want to write a song about eating a Snickers bar And let's say that I feel amazing about eating that Snickers bar Because they just came out with a fat-free vegan version I would want to make sure that I picked chords that felt as happy about this news as I do Today I ate a Snickers bar But what if that wasn't the case? What if I was despondent or very upset about the fact that I'm eating this Snickers bar?
10:49Because it was my ex's favorite Snickers bar. It was his favorite candy bar. And it was the last thing we ate together. Today I ate a Snickers bar. so chords chords help us define the mood of the song another tool that we use is repetition because repetition helps our listener remember our song and sing with us so again I'm going to play something and I want you to be honest I want you to raise your hand when you start to get bored You are the world's greatest audience. You are the world's greatest audience. You are the world's greatest audience. I'm hurt. Exactly. How did we all know that, right?
11:50Because in songwriting, there's the rule of three. You can't repeat the same melody exactly the same way three times in a row. Something's got to change that third time. Maybe I could have changed a chord. You are the world's greatest audience. Or maybe the melody. You are the world's greatest audience. So our brains love patterns, but our brains also love surprise. So I set up a pattern and then I surprised you and you were re-engaged. But too much repetition causes the brain to habituate and zone out. Too much repetition is a sonic cliche and our lister stops listening. How many times have you said to your partner in the same melodic stratosphere, Honey, pick up your towels!
12:47Honey, pick up your towels! Like after thousands of repetitions, their brain has habituated to your wife voice and they don't hear you. They really don't. They really don't. So try changing your melody in some way. Next time go, honey, pick up your towels.
13:17songs help us process emotion and understand how we feel when we listen to songs we love our brain releases the feel-good hormone dopamine when we listen to songs we don't like or hate or hold music bad hold music our body releases the stress hormone cortisol so try a little bit of this brain science for yourself at home. Pick a song in the morning to start your day with. Instead of the usual negative thought train that blazes through your brain, taking you with it, put on a song you love that has uplifting lyrics that primes your nervous system for a great day. Or the next time you have questionable in-laws coming over, instead of awkward silences and small talk, put on a song you know they love and let the dopamine flow.
14:08I like to start a song with a great title, or a concept, or a clear emotion. And then they use the language that's a mixture of concrete language, metaphor, and emotion. And then I use all of the musical elements in support of that idea. As music helps us process negative emotions, as I've gotten older, I've had to adopt new nouns to my vocabulary. words I never thought would belong to me, like jowls,
14:47and turkey neck, and most horrifyingly, crepe skin. So in order to process my rage, I wrote a song about it.
15:07All right, so here's a little bit. Crepe skin. Oh, I've got crepe skin. I'm just getting started, haven't figured out the journey yet. Better than I've ever been, but now I've got a turkey neck. I'm wearing scarves like Diane Keaton. Turtleneck sweaters in the summer when it's heating. and grape skin.
15:48I know you don't relate, but yes, I was able to laugh at the aging process and better accept and the delivery of my first AARP magazine. Over a year ago, I was diagnosed with breast cancer, and I turned to music for my therapy. In fact, my song was Lizzo's About Damn Time. Yes.
16:22After a double mastectomy, chemotherapy, and going bald, Lizzo's lyrics, I've been so down and under pressure. I may not be the girl I was or used to be. Bitch, I might be better.
16:46And the chorus lyric, I've got a feeling I'm gonna be alright, okay, it's about damn time, became my fight song of optimism and a shot of dopamine. As there There were days that I couldn't face the next round of chemo. And I would get a text message from an old friend or a card in the mail or a knock on the door with a huge bouquet of flowers. And I was filled with love from those simple kindnesses. And that support and that love made me face the next treatment. It really made me start to understand why I loved that old song, You Are the Wind Beneath My Wings. Because I literally felt lifted by the love and the friendship that was surrounding me.
17:35Because I shared what I was going through, which I felt was really important to do. And their love held me when I couldn't hold myself. One day, one of my favorite songwriters texted me and he said, how are you? And I said, it's going to take everything I've got to get through this. And he texted back, well, it's a good thing you've got everything. But I'm a songwriter. So that idea, which he will get no credit for, I, I, I held on to that idea because I thought that's where, those were ideas come to, those were ideas come to me from. And one day my dear friend and artist, Susan Catanio, came to visit and I said, I'm ready to start processing some of this.
18:22I'd like to write a song. And I told her about that idea. And we sat down and of course the first instinct could have been the minor key because that's where we sort of feel that sadness or darkness belongs. But I was feeling a lot more complicated and complex than that. I was feeling sadness, but I was feeling fear. but it was all lined with sunlight and hope because of all my amazing friends and the community around me. And so we decided to write it in a major key, altering one note. So it was a blend of darkness and light from the major key. We got the major and then altering one note, we sort of got a little bit of the darkness.
19:10There in psychology, there's a term name it to tame it. and when we listen to songs that give name to how we feel or we write them, we can transmute and metabolize difficult emotions. And I felt better on the other side of this song and I'd like to dedicate it to anyone here that's facing the hardest thing.
19:44The room went out of focus when I heard that diagnosis Words I never thought I'd hear I told my family, then my friends, as we all tried to pretend That nothing bad ever happens here But then there were cards and calls and flowers at my door I don't feel so alone anymore It's gonna take everything I've got It's gonna take everything I've got Everything to get me through It's gonna take everything I've got Everything I've got, everything to see me through So it's a good thing that I've got everything
21:06My head was spinning with a thousand split decisions With my fragile faith and a rose quartz in my hand Within family, friends and neighbors The kindness of strangers When I think that I can't do this They make me think I can And it's gonna take everything I've got Everything I've got Everything to get me through It's gonna take everything I've got Everything I've got Everything to see me through So it's a good thing
21:59But I've got everything
22:06Cause love, love is a real thing And love, love is a real thing And it's the only thing And it's everything we've got It's everything we've got Everything to get us through It's gonna take everything we've got Everything we've got Everything to get us through So it's a good thing
22:51That we've got everything
23:10That was Scarlett Keyes speaking at TEDx Portsmouth in New Hampshire, the United States, in 2023. If you're curious about TED's curation, find out more at ted.com slash curation guidelines. And that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective. This talk was fact-checked by the TED Research Team and produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Green, Lucy Little, and Tonsika Sungmarnivong. This episode was mixed by Christopher Faze-Bogan. Additional support from Emma Taubner and Daniela Balarezo. I'm Elise Hu. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed.
23:49Thanks for listening.
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Songs are the soundtrack of our lives. But why exactly do they make us feel the way they do? Songwriter Scarlet Keys sits down at a piano to deconstruct the tools musicians use to make a melody unforgettable — from tone and repetition to lyrics and chords — and sheds light on music's ability to transform moments into memories.
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