Albert Hammond Jr.

42:28I was an honest man

42:36Asked me for your phone I tried to take control Oh, I don't see it that way I don't see it that way

42:54We share some ideas

43:02All obsessed with fame Says we're all listening Oh, I don't see it that way I don't see it that way Raised in Carolina

43:24I'm not like that Trying to remind her When we go back I miss the last bus I take the next train I try but you see it's hard to explain I said the right thing but act the wrong way I like it right here but I cannot stay I rush to see you yet forget what I'm told We're lying too young in the actual The talk is on you, this place is under too You're right, it's true

44:21guitar solo

44:43Oh, I just can't remember I just can't remember Praise him, Caroline, Lord She says, I'm not like that Trying to remind her When we go back I said the right thing But act the wrong way I like the right answer But I can't last day I watch the TV Forget what I'm told Well, are you too young? May I turn the road? Oh, man, can't you see? I'm never so pleased Pretend to be nice Though I can be mean I miss the last part You take the next train I try what you see It's hard to explain I was just thinking, hearing that, I feel like part of us being a band is actually, even as like life gets hard and has its own things, is it feels like we still have our best songs yet to write.

45:54If anything, we're like unlocking new things we couldn't do. They weren't our strengths in our youth. We had a different strength, which was cool. It has a certain energy or vibe that we were going somewhere. And now, like, when I hear the last two records we did, the ones with you, we sound so much like us, but so not like that. But it still, to me, sounds like us, almost like even before we made this. So it's like a weird full circle. And I still can see everyone's, like, energy and creativity. And it really just, it doesn't feel done. Just the opposite. Yeah, I know. And I'm curious to see as we age where we can go with that.

46:39Because there's an element of aging where it takes away some of that energy that's in the first one. But I'm just curious how we'll replace that with what kind of music and what will that mean for our shows. And the possibility is really exciting. Yeah. What was the reaction to this first album? I mean, I remember when it was done, I couldn't have felt more successful. Like no one had heard it yet, but it was just, it was everything I could have possibly wanted to be part of when I'd fallen in love with music. When I fell in love with music, it was like I looked up to these people that were part of a fabric that I wanted to be part of.

47:17Now it felt like I was in a really cool way. Like I'd go up to someone and be like, look. Yeah. I was, I am part of this. I'm part of this. You know, but going back to how was it perceived? I think it was, well, I think it was, we got a lot of press, which was cool. And then we got a lot of hatred because people were like, who do you think you are? And I was like, I don't really think I'm anyone. I didn't write this stuff. They made it sound like I was writing the articles myself. Right, right. So the press was on the good side? Yeah, the press was good. But I'm just saying they were so excited.

47:56I think it was a combination of the music's really cool and a combination of we were young we're all good looking, we look cool it's just like you looked like a group right, you just like, once again early on people really just wanted to hang out and get fucked up with us which was fun but it was kind of funny it was like that element of it excited them so much that they would write stuff that was just a little, it felt over the top

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49:53so first album comes out do you remember touring for the first album oh yeah great touring tell me about that all summer the record came out in australia first already cool and interesting also crazy because fab broke his hand then and couldn't come to australia what'd you do we got a friend of our manager who then became fab's drum tech matt came and played for like six weeks and it was it was stressful yeah it's really stressful and and sad and i imagine for it's been hard too yeah how do you break his hand it was so silly we were touring with moldy peaches and adam green dressed up as peter pan British people are just in you know bars are intense I wasn't there but someone said something he jokes about it now because he was like maybe they were just like saying that he was dressed like Peter Pan which he was so I think someone was like why are you dressed as Peter Pan and Fab was like don't talk to him like that and he went to hit him and he punched a wall and broke his hand it was funny we have video we made this movie called In Transit and with this video where is he broke this bone here by the pinky and he's looking at it he's like yeah i don't think it's that bad thinking it might heal and it's like a ball wow yeah so where did you tour first when the album came out i guess australia i mean it was incredible it was also terrifying because all they spoke about were all the bugs that could like bite you this is but what they didn't tell us that a hotel on the 40th floor doesn't have red back spiders in the toilet but i couldn't go to the bathroom there for like two weeks because i just kept skin scared that a bug was gonna bite my balls checking my bed every night and it's like it's so different touring there when you first go because they put you in these like mini apartments julie and i would share a room it felt like being at home really it was like the same same thing and then we did america our album came out in america on 9-11 really yeah on vinyl there's actually i have the village voice that has from the week later it has the front covers of the two buildings exploded on fire and then the music cover inside is a picture of our faces smiling and i framed them side by side because it was like you couldn't have that's wild yeah and so that first part of that tour it was strange just strange time to exist in but playing music was always a safe place for us you know even that i think we went and rehearsed that night you in new york when 9-11 happened yeah yeah i saw it fall from the roof of my building yeah it was crazy walking the streets was also scary you heard like a bell or any kind of alarm you know everyone would slowly start running and it's the day the album came out yeah the album came out the own vinyl came out on 9-11 yeah and then on on cd it was i think the 25th of september yeah i totally forgot about that might have been like a bad omen but we had that even with the new abnormal covid happened yeah it's kind of like we always make jokes like be careful what we name the record yeah like everything's fine yeah so 9 11 happens you guys were in new york and then you tour the u.s yeah we did snl like january of 22 for the first album yeah most bands doesn't happen on the first album yeah snl has been like a very cool home for us i grew up watching that so i love playing it's it's maybe one of the most intense things to play for such like a like when you get off it really feels like you did drugs like because it's live and everybody watches yeah and it's so intense and it's three minutes so like a show that intensity dies down by the end so it's different this is like you're on all of a sudden you're off and so like you're high you're high as a kite like if they had a camera in there the bands would just be pacing in a circle and then when you get off you're just like can't stop talking writing the second album how was that different than writing the first album it's funny i feel i feel bad that i didn't i wasn't aware or at least in my mind i don't remember being as aware or i didn't want to think about it i know that julian felt pressure at least i think he did it's common that second album thing yeah i didn't know how to sit in that space it's you know what's funny with that though looking at it from a different angle is how upset people got about certain parts of the second record and then how over time people are upset that we don't sound like the second record so it becomes like you see the cycle you think you shouldn't listen to them he i mean yeah yeah the second one was so fun to make again it was fast and like the one thing i remember is a label making you feel like we don't put this out soon like we're gonna forget about you and that's probably not true how much time was there between the first and the second album i think we're on the road for like two years and it came out 2001 September.

55:08I think the second one came out in 2003. There wasn't a lot of time. I mean, in Julian's lyrics of that, it's just like, you know, basically no one's giving me time. What would be a good representative song for the second album? Probably Reptilia. It's funny because that's such a big song at festivals and you would think it was a song that would have done well on radio. and I don't think any of these songs really own radio. Yeah. Let's hear a rip to you.

56:32guitar solo You sound so sleepy Just take this, now leave me I said please don't slow me down If I'm going too fast You're in a strange What a lot of town

57:03Yeah, the night's not over you I'm not trying hard enough The lives are changing lanes Yeah, ran me off the wall The wait is over I'm now taking over You're no longer laughing I'm not drowning fast enough

57:40guitar solo

58:03For you And the reason I saw That she's not feeling I'm so angry Just calm down And feel me I said please don't slow me down If I'm going too fast You're in a strange I'm going to watch you

58:40Yeah, have a nice night Oh, you're not Trying hard enough Our lives are changing things Yeah, ran me off the road The way is over I'm now taking over You're no longer laughing

59:11So funny. And time gives you that perspective of like, people would always talk about either a sound or Julian's vocals and kind of like in saying something negative about it, blow off the songwriting or like the bigger picture, right? It was just like, well, you're cool, but you're lo-fi. Or like, yeah, it's great, but his vocals are distorted. Just like now, like, yeah, cool new song, but it's got a vocoder on it. And then as time goes, it gets a bigger life than it did. What do you remember about when this came out? There was just a lot of darkness. A lot of like... Within the band or outside of the band?

59:54Towards the band? Yeah. No, we were super excited about it. And it was really kind of the beginning of success. It was more just like feeling the... I think when you're younger, you take all the praise and you're like, oh, cool, great. And then when the praise goes away, you're like, oh, no. However much you take it in, it's going to affect you the other way. So it's kind of like you have to be okay with it yourself and everything else doesn't really matter. But that was the beginning of in the public space. You know, doing interviews and having to answer questions of like, whatever they might ask you, how does it feel to not be as good?

1:00:37Or like showing some like negative points. you're like, huh, you didn't know how to answer some of that. And we were doing as many, you know, like you'd go to Europe and you'd have two press days and it'd be like nine to five or ten to six press all day. They wouldn't fit in lunch. And then you're dealing with that kind of energy. It's dark. How were the shows starting for the second album? We always connected to the bands. You know, the shows were always growing. So it would be like Bowery ballroom-sized places and Is It Sit going into smaller theaters and then smaller theaters into like bigger theaters like in New York, I think.

1:01:20It's got some big songs of ours in there, like still big songs live in a festival setting too, which is funny. It's like a record that Presswise had the opposite. It was the constant like, oh, so you made the same thing twice. and i was like i don't really think we made this it doesn't feel like the same thing twice but maybe in the small window of time it did but in the bigger span of stuff it doesn't feel that way to me at least you toured all over the us toured everywhere i think we went straight from finishing that record straight to japan how different was playing in japan than everywhere else very different they'll really watch you and then cheer and then be silent waiting to see what you're going to say or do and so that was just very strange the first time we had that it was like why did everyone get so quiet like you almost like want the chitter chatter so you're you're not used to it yeah you don't you don't it doesn't feel like the spotlight has come back on you you know too soon yeah also one changes you know like uh we just did warm-up shows for Coachella and the Warfield it's like 3 ,000 it was like two felt too small and like the bigger room felt more comfortable than me and I think if as a kid the bigger room was just like nauseatingly too big I remember on Room of Fire we did Bill Graham and it was like this is I think it's 8 ,500 I was like this is too big.

1:02:51You felt like you couldn't fill it with your sound. Yeah. Or like, just like, I always, I always compare it to like leaning on the audience or the audience leaning on you. Yeah. And like, there's a balance where you want to like give in sometimes and they'll push forward and you push back. But it feels weird when you're standing there and you're just like, oh, they're going to crush me, which kind of makes sense. Like, why would you just, an evolution standing in front of a bunch of people is probably a negative thing. Yeah. It feels unnatural. Like, i'm going to die yeah you know that's not why we're that's not what's going to happen on stage but it's definitely like it must be some element of it yeah just genetically you feel yeah don't get out yeah yeah like i feel the waves of nerves and i try to like not have them like grab me or change me i i understand like i don't know what it's tai chi like the thing that you like you move and you like let things go by you and so like you know i'm really nervous i i see it and i try to just like let it go past and stay loose a lot of what i use in life or like what i have to do comes up in an intense form before going on stage yeah once you're on stage do you forget everything and be in the moment it's not natural like the second coachella i understood the audience more and like how it was going to be and i like chose to remember the guys i'm with on stage because sometimes it's so big and you're taking in so much it's hard to slow it down so my practice is always like slowing it down being in the moment not thinking what the next song is and then once i finish a song not worrying about what i did wrong the other one like it's done i can get better without whipping myself you know i don't need to like punish myself for three songs because I made a mistake.

1:04:41Are you trying to connect with the audience or are you trying to connect with the other band members when you're on stage? It's hard at that distance to know if you're going to connect with an audience. You can feel it more at your show. I feel like if you get into the songs and you play for yourselves, that will channel to people very strongly. And whatever they give back doesn't matter. And sometimes it's awesome and they give back and you feel it and you're like, oh my God. I don't, I'm like, okay, that's too much. So then, and then you get so riled up, you can like. It could be too much. You could have a broken leg and just dance on it, you know, like, cause the energy that's coming back.

1:05:19Adrenaline takes over. But also like, you gotta be careful. It's like, if you're in a bad mood, it'll turn into like, get into a fight. You've seen people fight on stage. That's like the adrenaline went the wrong way. Yeah. Pushed the wrong thing. After show each night, do you feel like either that was a good show or a bad show? or you don't think about that? I do, for sure. What's the feeling like after a show? What do you think about? It's funny because the show is just what's in between your ears, right? Because you have your own monitors, so it's like it could have been the best show of the audience and you didn't feel it.

1:05:52Do you hear the audience at all or no when they cheer? I'm pretty sealed from it. I remember taking off my ears once and being like, oh my God, they're so loud. They were singing along, but in my world, it was just like just plugging your ears. Yeah. which is a bit of a bummer but it also it makes some more precise touring not have monitors like that the consistency of the tightness of the band sure yeah and every venue you go to is almost the same yeah because of because of how well you can dial it in no i think about it for sure i'm pushing myself to like i take lessons and i'm just trying to get better than who i was so i pushed myself with different things or certain songs are harder and i didn't get to play it or even even if i can play it but i didn't get to perform it like i want to i want to like i want to entertain and perform the song in a way that's like it's more magical than just i know the parts yeah then i just try to hold that for something else to i feel like it's important and have stuff that you still have to work on.

1:06:58It's like, if that just ended, you might just die. You might just be like, well, I finished here.

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1:08:43In the studio, do you ever think about, I don't want to play this part because it's too hard and I won't be able to play it live, or do you never think about that? I try not to not play it because it's too hard unless there's like something where it's like there's like a balance in that I think everything I play in the studio I push myself or like I don't really want to play that live because it's like slightly above my ability like even on this on this new album I did some stuff that was like pushing myself you know well which reminded me when I was listening to this I had a guitar teacher then named JP Bowersoff who also taught jullion and like was a big part of those first two records and like being a guru to to us and even to him as a songwriter and giving like um when you have a guitar teacher who's like really good they they can kind of like show you options you might not be thinking of you know different directions where of genres that don't normally cross when you're listening on stage and playing what are you keying into to play to is it drums is it nick's guitar is it the vocals god i mean a little bit a little bit of everything i would say drums for either foundations the backbeat i would say nikolai and nick to see how i'm fitting in maybe those two the least because i trust that they're moving in their direction that i know yeah and then julian that's kind of like sometimes the emotional driver but though fab can be too when he certain songs where when he digs into it and i feel it i'm just like oh okay we're going there let's go and i know that he's said the same thing about me like i will come up to the drums and i'm not even thinking about it and he'll like feel it i don't even know if that's musical or it was just like pacing on stage and also like just being in sync so it's like you might feel an intensity and then someone isn't and you just go for it and maybe they come along maybe they don't but then when you don't know if you pay attention it kind of guides you it gives you something good for the mind not to wander about stuff that doesn't matter in that moment if you're playing the same song song in rehearsal or in the studio or on stage how is it different for instance i just happened so like there's an emotion that changes who you are and that's what i mean by like you try to like let nerves go through so you can be yourself the whole time because it's very easy to like lose yourself in your mind overthinking so practice you can get there not have played the songs you don't care if you're gonna make a mistake you're not thinking no one's watching you're just casually doing stuff and you somehow nail it or maybe the mistakes you have you don't really think about it sometimes you do because they're your friends and you're like oh is that embarrassing that i just fuck that up but it's not it doesn't linger so much in the studio same thing it depends like if you're in the room or not it adds it adds to it in a good way i feel like it's just like or if you're like having recorded the song and it's the 10th time and your mistake is the reason why it's not moving forward you know you can feel people's energy in the band or if it's someone else like you root for everyone because when it's someone else who's going having a hard time you feel the weight and then stage is like the crowd dynamic it really only matters if you feel like close as a band the energy is like fuck you through the crowd and feels good but if you feel like you're being torn apart as a band it almost like makes you sad it's being in a band's like your whole life yeah it's your identity and so like it almost feels like you're crumbling like you're dying what happened between the second album and the third album there was this success of having our management got an office and our management was kind of like us because he was only managing us so we had like a headquarters and then in the music building we got like the mezzanine floor so we had our own we had the rehearsal space slash oh we'll record in here everybody's living in new york everyone's living in new york still and so there was like this element it kind of fell apart in the different producers and what we were what we were doing but there was this element of like we could have more time and that the home base and where we recorded is where we rehearsed which made for some awesome music stuff but it was also from my side it was just it was a heavy time just a lot of excess and like uh just you or everybody i don't know maybe everyone maybe mine was just more i had the who am i in the band what am i doing almost like i had lived too long or gotten away with too much with like a natural thing and not like a practice thing so i felt behind a band is like it's a loving place but it's also like everyone sees your strengths and weaknesses and you can't really hide from them and so it's it's tough and you can almost kind of permanently stay in certain age groups around each other because It's like that family dynamic, right?

1:14:10Did you feel like the people around you were getting better and you weren't? Is that what you're describing? Yeah, I guess so, yeah. And my choosing to kind of like party over focusing on getting better. Going back, I would handle that whole time differently. I guess that's the one where I'd be like, oh, I would do it really differently. And then the rehearsing and recording was the first process where you had more time? I think so. that's that's what i remember and it was started off with like i think julian's idea if i remember correctly was like have gordon we would do things slowly and we'd build a home base kind of like a garden that we could tend to and make songs and like and like grow from a foundation like having your own studio is just different right you start to know the room it's cool all and spaces always take no matter it's not money you can have all the money in the world set it up and it has got nothing it just needs time this there's like black magic in recording spaces so what would be a representative song division of division

1:15:44Take me a soul you could be Take me a tear just like me Don't turn it my way, happy and free I'll turn it to shame, happy and free

1:16:04All that I do is wait for you All that I do is wait for you I can't get along with all your friends Don't know how to act That's all there is Why do I accept the things you say You know what to change But not in one way How long must I wait How long must I wait How long must I wait I was that way I was that way

1:17:44I'm not you We could have I'm almost through With great success It's about time I'm such a success That you came through with no expense All that I do is wait for you All that I do is wait for you I can't get away from all your friends I'm not coming back That's all there is Why do I accept the things you say? I know what to change but not in what way alamos a week alamos a week alamos a week alamos a week alamos a week

1:19:30What do you remember about recording that album? I guess I picked that song because there's like, it's a perfect description of trying to grow in different directions where it's like hard and you can feel the tension of something not being natural, but a song wanting to go like trying to challenge yourselves yeah you know i feel like joy and wanting to go in different directions and then kind of trying to find yourself in spaces that's outside of your comfort zone or like and i feel like there's something in that song that you can feel that tension it's it's exciting it's exciting to look back on and funny enough i was thinking on this whole thing touring this album was was amazing even though we ended up taking a big break afterwards it was like we got to a point where we were going and doing a set of like 23 songs and even if it wasn't the best show it was like it was a great show we were on fire looking back i wish i knew how young and awesome we actually were yeah and venues were similar size to what you played they grew at the end they were they were going to start no this is where it really this is where it really changed had we continued we probably would have been in arenas at the second half of touring this album or starting of the next one had we not given it so much time but it was like no it would have been five ten thousand people at different places we were playing cities we'd never been to and like would you say that the live show had a life of its own outside of the records yeah the band kept getting bigger regardless of how an album was perceived totally which is funny that now our managers it manages fish dave matthews chris stapleton and us yeah as a live band we keep growing and then why the decision for the break well it was never like a talk about it i think some of us might have thought we were doing other shows i feel like it's my fault but i didn't mean it that way i put out i put out a solo record i never thought i'd play shows i didn't want to and i somehow ended up playing shows i don't know how everyone views it there's a whole journey i took that i wish i was able to express to myself and then within the band and not alone but such is life what's the nature of a band Yeah, no, I guess so, yeah.

1:21:59Yeah, I'm trying to be more, I think I would sit with that and be more angry at myself. And now I'm just like, well, yeah, you never know. Maybe you wouldn't be here. You'd be doing something else or needed it. Yeah, and sometimes doing a solo project makes you coming back to the band that much more interesting in the band. Sure, sure. You grow as an artist. There was some growth in that. I almost did need to experience completing certain things to know how to bring other stuff to the band. Did you feel that there was negativity from the band for you doing the solo thing? I don't know. I can't tell if it's just me or if it feels like I, instead of using my time to get better, to bring more to the band, I did solo stuff.

1:22:44That doesn't sound bad. Well, look, we finished that in 2007, and there was also like a whole drug thing for me so but then we there was a big pause because i went to rehab you were the only one everybody else was good everyone stopped in their own way i was the only one i was just like destructive with it or like this band never functioned well on any substances if people think we're fucked up or hear songs and like modern agents like oh you guys do heroin it's like no way we were like thinking and like practicing a lot and like you know sometimes you might have a drink towards the end but it was mostly all the recordings are all pretty sober even at times where you did a lot of stuff it was we're not a band that functions well fucked up during that time do you feel like the band grew more close together i think there was elements that grew together closer and elements that grew further apart probably like different relationships got a chance to to grow i think in a band sometimes it takes a while to like actually talk about stuff and process it or also as you get older you realize you you know sometimes these things just need time you can't just just because you want to talk about it doesn't mean it's going to like heal a moment you know and someone told me a while back that sometimes some of the healing actually happens while you're creating and playing music it's like a silent healing like you're lucky you get to speak to each other without talking but in a very deep way and i was like wow that's kind of beautiful and so i think some of the healing took place in those next two records which i think people could hear and i think in some of the press it's just like well what are they doing or they're not as good because everyone's bringing in more stuff but some of the things in that were really cool too and so they and they it allowed us to become what we were with you for the last two records then weirdly enough it's so interesting to see how some people find us who are younger like i'll meet someone they'll be like oh i saw your shirt in transformers the movie and i was like nine or ten and they weren't they didn't think to look up the band but it's just subconsciously there right you just think i has a shirt the whole time and then you're 14 and someone plays something and it's like that's the record you heard that's the first song you heard like you didn't hear like something on is this it and it's like the fifth album was like a song they heard that's how they got into it yeah and so they have a love for it that's like you don't even understand because it's your fifth one

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1:27:45What's the first time someone moved out of Manhattan? Nick moved to LA. Before the fourth album? Yeah. And how did that change things? I remember thinking I thought it was going to change things more. Like now it feels totally fine. like doesn't matter where we live because we're just going to meet up somewhere transitions are a weird thing in life right it's kind of like how are you going to do it we all lived in new york we could just call each other and go and there's an element to that that i miss sometimes but it's it's almost like made the band feel even bigger that we live in different parts and come together it also probably creates more focus when you are together yeah for sure it's like it's on yeah it becomes like camp then when you're together so tell me about what was different about album four well it was like two parts right we kind of like we did a whole version of the album with gus who does our front of house felt more like stonesy it was really cool it was just like all in the room in a rehearsal space like this so it's really live and dirty and um i think we were afraid to put it out afterwards it was like i wish it was like that i think we were trying to polish something too much it's exciting to produce and like think about sounds and get weird sounds but i still wants to that first that first song you played wants to go back to like that but not with those songs just the rawness but with different songs right so that felt like we had that version and then we created this version this one we actually we did this album i guess three times because we went with a producer that we ended up not really getting along with and we recorded an avatar and it felt like we spent a lot of money it was like there from like 11 to like nine if it really felt like work yeah i felt like man i've been more fun just for you know spent all the money like going to the south of france recording on an eight track like was it the first time that it felt like work yeah fourth album yeah julian was on tour we were doing it the four of us we'd already had the songs but we were recording as a band without him and i think missing i think if he was there he he did 10 minutes of vocals and the guy said one thing and he was just like he just i think he just left and then just did vocals with gust and then we were recorded at my studio afterwards is that the first time you recorded without julian being there yeah we had all the demos so it wasn't like we didn't know the songs but it was the first time we played them together in rehearsal but it was the first time his voice wasn't in there when someone was challenging us in a room we'd send him stuff and stuff like that but it just it it feels different yeah you know i mean that was like a big part when we first did with you of all being in the all being in the room right yeah yeah pick which song wow i feel like i'm gonna have to go for gratisfaction because it's the first time we have background vocals in the chorus, so that's kind of cool.

1:31:20All the friends in the alleyway shout back, but she can't hear them. But you're never gonna get by love. We can only take the same. Get up in the morning and run. Your people stay until the day is too done. You got advice in the mouth, but they can't know.

1:31:58Thank you.

1:32:18But you're never gonna get better We can only climb the same You get tired from the days of too long You get lonely when the days of good

1:32:56He could never mention it or hear it now Without quick tears in his eyes Never gonna get my love We can only play the same You get tired when the days are too long You get lonely when the days are gone Why you never gonna get this love We roll around in the dark That's about as far as we go Come to the morning love

1:33:37Funny to have his lyrics throughout my whole life this is like my friend which is like such good lyrics that like I have memories and thoughts about stuff he said that we've never spoken about that yeah they live in the same way a fan might hear it and create their own meaning from you know it's kind of it's kind of amazing how was this one received the same feeling as like the second record where it was like because they made it like oh it's their big comeback and there's just too much weight on an album so as your big comeback for a band that had that excitement at 21 years old it's just gonna feel flat because it's all over the place i think there's great songs on it it's really cool ideas and production there's a song called games in there that's like production-wise really cool and a lot of things that we have thought of for a long time that just never came to but as a whole it's just all over the place and then do you go out and tour right away from the the third album until now this tour we have not toured like the third album since that one so 20 years ago we did a tour like we're doing now and then this album here did like six months and what was the vibe of the festivals around then it was good it was the first time we were like not lower off the bill but put in a different spot.

1:35:07It felt different. Because I think they had pushed us to grow and grow and grow and then we missed to grow up here and so we grew sideways. I see. And went to headline a different stage. In the movie, that would be like the, is it over? Where are they now? And then what happened leading to the next album? Next album is Come Down Machine. Yeah. I mean, it was a pretty positive tour. It was great memories. South America was growing there. So it was like certain areas of the world actually in this time were maybe the biggest they'd been, which is interesting how that happens. I think just in some other spots, mainly America and the UK, they just kind of felt like they took a dip in some ways.

1:35:58But it felt positive. I remember going into the fifth one. it was going to be our last one on rca so and that wasn't like a negative thing it was just like yeah you signed something yeah it's just like oh wow the thing we signed that i never thought of again after we signed it is now coming to an end like a lot of people think the album cover is like a negative thing because we did like we put rca up there but it wasn't negative at all the photos being like our first album but like blacked out just i think it was more like we couldn't get everyone together to do photos for something and it felt like a funny way to end a cycle you know what i mean i was shocked when julian didn't want to i i loved that he was like no press on this on this album i was like oh man that's amazing i started to hate do you know why i mean you just hate press oh i see like after a while you're just like answering like sometimes you can have a good interview or like that's not how i meant it you're trying to figure out so much in life and so you just you say something one way and then you hear yourself i don't know it's just there's so many things with press and so the idea of like putting out a record and not doing any seemed exciting but then then it was like no shows and it was like oh that's a bummer because in the studio it felt really positive and also we didn't like speak about not doing it for the fifth album where was that one recorded electric lady and good experience glorious like six weeks as you get older the fact that that's your job and you get to like go away from your responsibilities and go to a studio feels like you know it's like all you have to do is make music i gotta go to work and you're like you know it's like ah such a you know you get there and you're just like playing with your friends yeah i know you have to make music but at the same time you're ordering food and watching tv it's not like it's different than and like punching in nine to five after work.

1:37:55So what would be a good representative song on this album? To me, 80s Come Down Machine was like a jam. We all just started the verse, all just started doing. And so there's something really special about that. And it's actually, funny enough, one of the few songs I play a lot of from our catalog. If I want to put on a song on the car from our catalog, I put on that song. Let's hear it.

1:38:22Thank you.

1:38:59It's not the first time I've lost you And I said bye

1:39:11I've tried too long to get back there But you're not on time And in my walk Tried to remain And you felt sick at times

1:39:37You said there was closed And put you crying Back inside

1:39:57To be

1:40:03to be to be

1:40:10So be it Mo Lamb

1:40:26guitar solo

1:40:52And stare in the safe Why don't you

1:41:02Close the blinds For the night

1:41:17I'm so proud!

1:42:10guitar solo

1:42:23guitar solo

1:42:49Awake Awake

1:43:15How would you say the band had changed at that point from the beginning to there? I joke, we're the exact same when I was 18. We were opening up for the Chili Peppers. We were in a backstage. We were like talking and being a certain way. We could have just been 18 and the five people outside of a small venue then became a stadium. but the surroundings change but it's like they just grabbed us and put us in different things and like you age but there's a part of us as much as change there's a part of us that are always there which is kind of beautiful yeah i think we're more aware everyone was kind of i don't know if we were trying to figure out how to get to the place that julian had envisioned maybe for us as a band or for the instruments of being a band with with him and maybe it didn't fully i know it's always in motion so it's like you never achieve it so it always feels like there's elements of what happens next because there's elements of that in the next record but and even in the two that we did there's elements that are so different and so the same and now i want to do another one because i'm like oh i think i get it what's going to be next yeah you know like or like where my starting point is like it's like oh let me try again i feel like this time i i can really i can really hone it in yeah that's great which is i i have to learn my personality has to learn how to like drink that slowly savor it because if not i'm just like i can just seem like let's go what are we waiting for was everyone what's everyone doing so the fifth album no touring no touring no press did you guys do anything together during that time were you all separated all separate almost did snl that was that was that was it yeah almost did snl yeah be a good autobiography title almost did snl the story of the strokes so how was the new abnormal different than the ones before it well i feel like it brought an element of us being all in the room for a certain amount of hours right we came in and jammed from 12 to 1 and then you would come from like 1 to 6 and then we would stay afterwards sometimes if we had stuff to if we were almost there we had stuff to do I don't know that that element of it was was really exciting it was back in a studio it was LA this was the first time we were not in New York.

1:45:53Pretty magical being out here. Also, there was something in how we worked The Five of Us with you that felt like when we were younger, but different. You know, you can never go back to that, but there was an element of like you in the room allowed us to be a band. Your presence allowed us to be like, oh, it's The Five of Us. Then it's like the band dynamic became new and old at the same time, and that was maybe the most fun part about it. Cool. Yeah. What would be a good song representative of the album? Oh, wow. Representative of the albums. Eternal Summer was the first time we did where you were like, record long time playing one part and we'll get a piece that feels right for both parts.

1:46:39And I feel like that was... New. New and also it started to grow and grow. We're like, started jamming more and songs were even taking shape through jams and like june would find many different vocals and then you guys would figure that out later so i don't know it feels like a it feels so different

1:47:27When I think of you So is that my mind Is that the truth

1:47:44Lonesome day

1:47:48Don't you hold the truth

1:47:55Ignore reality See a love that feed into you Nobody's gonna stop right now

1:48:10Summer is coming, it won't go away Summer is coming, it's interesting I can't believe it, this is the 11th time Psychedelic Life is such a funny journey Luckily Your service is no longer needed It's just like make-believe They got the remedy They won't let it happen

1:49:00They got the remedy I won't let it happen

1:49:30Now that you have the truth I need a friendly face I hate that feeling too But no one's not afraid Don't expect the truth This is a fantasy I'll fight that feeling too But nobody's gonna stop us now

1:50:13Summer is coming Summer is coming Yeah, oh.

1:50:57Such a funny journey Psychedelic This is here Love and thought Luckily Your service is no longer needed It's just like make believe They got the remedy They won't let it happen

1:51:23Yeah, they got the remedy They won't let it happen

1:51:35Everybody's on the take Tell me are you on the take too Everybody's on the take Tell me are you on the take too

1:52:11I'm out.

1:52:39We'll be right back.

1:52:58See, I feel like that's what they wanted in 2011.

1:53:06But once again, looking back on stuff, it's always nice to have it all. For sure. When it came out, what happened? Well, COVID was happening, but it was like this big, whole new generation. I mean, it gives you a whole new generation of people found us. we could we could literally go out and probably play it's only nine songs in the album but six to eight songs on it and we'd get cheers as loud or louder than old songs because they didn't know it there's a whole generation who came that was the the first album they were like oh look at this new band amazing yeah i mean surreal for me we just did when we did acl we ended the show with the adults are talking and like this video on strokes instagram or mine where they're singing along so loud you can't even hear drooling it's got a lot of words it's fast yeah and it's just like not an easy sing-along no it's not it's not a sing-along at all i'm so isolated in my world i didn't like feel it or hear it but when you watch it afterwards it's it's really moving and cool during covid obviously there were no shows yeah what were the first shows that you were able to play f snl you're bringing bringing it all back to snl that was the first same as always or good experience bad experience maybe the best oh great it was really cool we we know colin jost he was there with lauren michaels lauren was watching and saying like oh wow this band's been around for he just he put two and two together was like oh it's been 20 years it's the fifth album they're coming here like that's cool he made it sound like it was like a moving moment like he would just like realize we had been in the fabric of that thing for a long time and also new york band new york show it's just like it it kind of fits hand in hand in hand and then afterwards i think we got to do some a small run maybe like it was like Miami and LA and then Peru.

1:55:14But then we got to open up for the Chili Peppers and stadiums. Wow. How was that? It was fantastic because it was like, it was just a great bill. It really gave us a chance to like see what rooms like that would feel like and see them afterwards and see like the work they put into making their show. And it's just, it just inspires you for the next. and there's like a thing because you you record them and you record us so there's kind of like a friendly animosity like you no so happy you're here no i mean it's it's i'm kidding it's it's awesome it's just like you know it's a in a good way you kind of like familial yeah it's like it's like siblings yeah yeah well you think dad likes you well he likes us

1:56:09right reality awaits yeah that was maybe the most cinematic record to make in every aspect i mean talk about if you want to live the dream with any angle from your angle band angle production angle anyone's angle you're a band and you take all this gear there's probably a million people telling you not to do it like it's too complicated you take all this gear and you record outside on top of a hill overlooking the ocean in costa rica it's not about costa rica there was an energy there that was just fantastic i just remember the recordings the sounds we were getting the songs and like i tell everyone it's it's my favorite it's my favorite out and it's made me even realize even more so yeah how much more we have to give because is so exciting and i feel like we just were tapping into it yeah like it's not like we got to the end and it was like we got nothing left no it's like we have like so many songs and jams that we did that we might never even see or find it but that's not even the point of the jam because like they're they're within us they'll come out in a different way yeah but just when you know it's there you're like this it's like we tapped into like a oil well and like we found oil like for for your family's family what would be a good song to listen to this is tough also this album has such a like i listen to it like a like you'd watch a play yeah and even though you have like certain scenes in the play that you might or a movie that you be like i love the scenes like it's the the body movie yeah or the the whole story that takes you into different spaces you know like i feel i always listen to it as an album

1:58:03guitar solo

1:58:26And sailing past its way Was a friend that I once knew Flew in from LA A lesson that I learned A long, long time ago Remind me of my lonesome self At all, in the shadow And I'm I count my blessings then I know nobody understands I waste my days away

1:59:16You don't have love Because you don't want pain Oh no no you don't want pain Because you don't have trust Oh no no you don't have trust That's all you don't have love Oh no no you don't have love Cause you just can't take the pain There was a time set there like a doll He was the one, now he's away Riding the radio waves Get the fuck out there where we can have all the things you want, okay Listen to the AI tell you what to do today

2:00:15I waste my days I waste Instead Of giving it I want to play My game

2:00:39Don't passion Don't

2:01:02Don't This can't stand the pain

2:01:27Harmonic minor

2:01:34I don't want love Cause you don't want pain Oh no no you don't want pain Cause you don't want trust Oh no no you don't want trust Cause you don't want love Oh no no you don't want love Cause you just don't want the pain Take it too long please send us a song How can I do? It's all on my own Never a secret, all down the two Putting your feet up around you to two I didn't see it, it's nothing new A reservation, dinner for two Something inside us bubbling up You gotta go somewhere to get drunk A reservation, dinner for two

2:02:39Fuck, I love that song. It's so cool. It's so cool. It doesn't sound like anything else. No. And also, this one was cool because the song was all one way. And then when Julian was doing the singing, he sent me a thing. And he was like, if you have any ideas. And with my guitar teacher, I was like, what are the different ways? and we were doing certain, it's like kismet, we were doing certain things that I like, like my ear just picks up on. And I was like, oh, it fits in this song, but it's so different. So I got it and I got to add my guitar at like my own speed and like dive into like different verses of different stuff, the chorus.

2:03:19And I feel like I'm just playing, it's really intimate. I'm playing to Julian's singing. Yeah. It's just really special to me.

2:03:34Thank you.

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