Bruce Johnston

27:20Yeah, I'm good. Here. I am you're me you're over there Terry and I will we walk in and Brian on the other hand. It has to lower his height. I see Yeah, I'm looking at this area. Okay, and then I wenty windy went wrong. Oh so wrong. We went together. I hear that I thought perfect. So we stayed Maybe half hour if that we listening in the control room or in the room where they were singing I know I know full I walked into the room. Yeah So you're in the live room and you're hearing them sing you asked about hearing them live I'm saying I heard them live record. I had heard them live backstage in other Earlier times, but not but you can't hear live always and I imagine then there were no PAs or anything now You have to have an imaginary ear go around to the front of the stage.

28:09Yeah, so you could kind of hear what's going on Okay, so that's the first time and Fantastic song. Yeah, you know, so the voices did it blow you way there like the blend did it? I was asked by the Bee Gees to produce them and I knew them really well This is like 19 17 72 3 4s around there. I said I Know I could write a hit for you guys But I'm the wrong guy. What do you mean? You need to get somebody who doesn't write a lot of groovy syrupy ballots. You guys need to step up your tempo and That's Right before all the disco disco. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm amazing. Okay. Okay, so there we are That's the first time I heard the band sing live while they were recording.

29:00Yeah, and The success lyrically just locally of surf and bomb dip dip dip You know, it just started exploding so Brian and Mike the Surf Phase of the Beach Boys was it lasted at least 10 minutes and Went girl surf car school it went on to all The activities people they were just slightly younger than the band because they're kind of out of high school Just about you know with those recordings. So what are you saying about it? What you know? What do you know? well high school So that all happened and so because of Dennis lyrics Began to be arrive on the radio in the Beach Boys World You know and then people covered them and everything and then they went into the other genres of As I said girls surf cars.

29:53Yeah, how many years of instrumental surf were there before that? Not many three two I I'm gonna guess Maybe three, okay, you know at the time Would you assume This is an instrumental form of music Absolutely it never occurred to me anybody would write words about surfing. Yeah, why would you? Yeah, because it didn't work. It was already a popular genre all those Shows all over Southern California were sold out In terms of showing the movie these guys would For a wallet they'd have the Willins Act recorder and they'd have a mark and heard you know you know And then and it was everything was sold out every weekend How many surfers were there at that point in time?

30:45Would there like millions of surfers? Thousands would you know most people like if you went out surfing you'd know mostly everybody? Oh, I'd know the stars. Yeah and I was a Awana be knew I never could like Jack Benny and his violin. Yeah, but it was fun. We're going back a hundred years now Jack, but it was fun Yeah, and the girls were cute and if we got cold We just tear the wood off a classic. We didn't know his classic 48 Ford Woody and Burnett to get warm Wow and one of the great things about my job The job that I had in high school. I didn't like doing it, but I liked the results The results were that every month I Liberated with what's the cheapest vodka I liberated from the liquor store and I would Sell ten of them the 11th one I would use it you know three or four Saturdays and wrote just to sprinkle a little alcohol on the rubber tires that we'd set on fire So we get warm and then the other bottle was used for dating purposes This I'm not even 18 years old amazing.

32:01Oh God Who were the record companies back then? Jack RCA Columbia epic. I mean in California wise There's always a lot of little independent labels might have one hit wonders You know, but by the time the record labels figured out surfing They'd have the astronauts they'd have everybody that doesn't fit They kind of ruined it quickly. Was there a Columbia records? Oh, office in Calum in LA K annex was the radio station and they had radio studios and so they got converted into recording studios and then in the balcony where they used to have audience in studio a for radio they stored all the masters until somebody said We don't need the outtakes or the multi -track takes the four track tapes of the three tracks eventually the eight So they destroyed them Thank you all Terry do with the birds.

33:07They just have the masters. Wow So we have the majors everybody couldn't wait to get to capital records for the next 50 years to use their echo chambers Well, the echo chambers that they use for Sinatra the old K -HJ radio studio became capital records at the gates of paramount pictures and Sinatra always had an audience probably people didn't know that if 200 people have all his pals just And he'd record and they'd use the echo over there for the albums that Reloxt is career wow and not the echo that they in the studio. We always had an audience Well in the early days. I've got you in my skin and we small hours of the morning great stuff You know, but yeah, I was yeah, I was drinking buddies hang out You know, he was down to being 200 ,000 dollars in back taxes and he couldn't get anybody to sign him and so Sam Weisbord who was One of Al Jolson's agents when he was a kid You know Eventually became chairman of William Morris and so no one would sign him and somehow They called capital records They said Frank Sinatra Are you serious?

34:32How soon can you be here? And he got he got a one album deal and Eventually he inherited Nelson Rittle from a Mac King Cole wow and then they started just recording at capital And the old K -HJ Bill in the radio studio of the world and back to that echo chamber chamber thing everybody's in When hiring the echo chamber for 50 or 60 years and None of the magic magic was re ever recorded there at the capital list. It's not there. That's what they're had no idea Amazing coming story the rip courts reports really cool story So Terry couldn't get anybody to sign with him at Columbia Because oh Doris Dayson what does he know?

35:20Managers days someplace else So he went to one of the guys that worked for his mom And at the record label and not Joe Luben He signs these two guys and calls them the rip courts and he Produces a song called here I stand here I stand that alone Okay, and it kind of charts and Terry says hey, you know Bruce you know the thing I record yeah They want to follow up you want to work on it with me? I said okay So we co -produced a song that got to 40 called gone by the rip courts and then Terry said I'll call David Capillac who eventually managed Sly Famous and and I'll just get you my job. So we have it together at Columbia Records and so We always would time our session so we could get to the Luau in Beverly Hills, you know that restaurant the Luau And in time to order dinner eight thirty anyways one day I said we're going then I said yeah, but we're gonna meet In that Kleinbart who was the lead singer In high school on the recording of Tenoam is still of him and she was there she still aren't she's out of her mind in the best Possibly she's so cool, right?

36:34Anyway, you know she as I said she wrote the rocky theme and so she's there with her brother And they bring Haydl Cobra, they should at Leechy, you know and so We made a lot of edits. We didn't rewrite the song. I mean, you know it was their song and we start recording it and Eventually we got named Irving Townsend who was VP of Columbia Rex the West Coast all these guys in New York guys and they're wonderful guys. He just said fellas You spent too much money you have to finish this by midnight tonight So it's like too many afternoon So we are copying Beach Boys stuff that was our current job so We just say you guys We're doing a style.

37:26We know you don't know to do we're gonna put a couple voices on it for you So we wound up singing without cell sync on three traffic to no cell sync So we did about 10 over the And we do Haydl Cobra Terry sings the lead Rick or his Haydl Cobra. That's just two voices Terry and Bruce Terry singing the lead There were plenty of stingrays and XK Shut down Hey little Corbin, what you know you're gonna shut them down Everything it's fantastic. This is us free cut free cut free cut free cut free cut free and then I said Terry I got a great idea We always dressed pretty good actually go go into Columbia records, you know slacks sometimes too So I had my coat off Now the studio you could you could eat off the floor and it was huge and kind of chappy He was the head engineer of Columbia Records in the East Coast he came out I was Unbelieveable engineer so I said I want to add something okay I have the guy set the mic up And I found a trash can this tall rubber made, you know and I put it over me With the microphone here like a giant pack Yep, but down my shoulders.

39:18Yeah, and I went shut him down Wow shut him down Shut him down like echo, you know, I like people you heard him and trying to sing bass, you know So no, no, just it's just reverb Like if someone sings and you hear you hear he freaks out I said wow, this is perfect. I shut him down spring little go we're getting ready to shut him down So while I'm doing it Some of the coffee that's turned syrupy is dripping on my shoulder. I'm going oh So those are the stories that Probably aren't interesting, but that's fantastic. It's a fun off. It's fine. So But they send the record out Immediately starts getting plays immediately and so I said you know Terry This guy's didn't send the record maybe we should put our names on it.

40:11Oh, no, no, I don't want to do that So you wound up on my behalf giving away any artist royalty On it and it sold over a million copies amazing, you know, now that's the first production That I have a gold record for officially Yeah, so cool. It's funny to ask you about the Beach Boys as if it's outside of you But I'm gonna that's perfect. It's okay. I'm the perfect guy to talk to okay, because I can be I'm in both places Okay, where the Beach Boys are great live band You should hear it now even without Carl and Al It's it's kind of like a Doc severances will see a great live band Yes, all the arrangements every note that we sing is is written down We we could send it to schools.

41:03Yeah shows were short then yes in the early days songs songs for short. Yeah You know, but though as far as the parts changing now the parts didn't change How did it work out that you were chosen to go to London to play pet sounds for the Beatles Well There's this phone of mine zelek I'm not shy. I know where to place myself. Mm -hmm. We're talking about now May Of 1966 pet sounds is released in America In model But unfortunately for synod here in the Beach Boys and other acting hole they invented something called duo phonic Which just delayed one of the sides so they could sell it compatible with stereo recordings Wow So anything duo phonic just treat it like it's radioactive that's unbelievable.

42:02I didn't know about that duo phonic. Yeah, so I was so interested in everything. I had to know everything, you know, so I followed everything and I had heard that people like Keith Moon who wanted to be in Jan and Dean or the Beach Boys, you know people like in England were following us Okay, so The first year I was in the band. I made three albums and toured Now that's probably a lot, but not when you're 21 22 years old. That's nothing. Oh guys sure and chase girls perfect God, I got a great job to have three albums in the first year first year And I I didn't start recording until those albums until like May Of 65 branded already recorded the tracks for summer days summer nights that had California girls in it Okay, unbelievable and then somehow capital wanted something So we slid in a What it's an accidental unplugged album called the party album and in that album That has barbrain barbrain by accident album Al Cory was like running the branch Eventually his president of RSO beaches.

43:18He's running the branch of capital in Boston, New England area. I knew Al Cory and Al was We're a wonderful guy. Amazing guy and He just for the hell of East he just sent out some acetates You know an acetate is right. Yeah, it's a radio stations. They started playing barbrain So they did an edit and that barbrain is probably Bought Fred Fassard who wrote the words of music four white guys called the regents from New Jersey Probably bought him many houses. Wow. How did you guys hear barbraan? Because it was a hit by the regents Before there was a beach boys. Okay. This is a pretty good record.

43:58Yeah, I only know the beach boys version. Oh, you'd love it Let's play I love it anything you want to listen to them down. Hi Oh Okay So we sound just like them. Yeah Let's hear it. They're cool Beach boys That's my You singing the lead Brian Wilson and Dean Torrance Really that's Brian and Dean yeah singing the lead together falsetto doing falsettos The whole song When to a dance looking for a man you'll hear it right now Take a chance I think I record it. I love that record. I love that record Okay, so We had two weeks off and You know, it's not that I wasn't one of the beach boys. I just wasn't But I was in the band recording.

45:35Yeah. Why would any of the band think a well brown banner road, sir Right. This I was just there. Yeah, you were sitting in for Brian Right, since the last 50 some odd years. Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah since 65. Okay, so and that's cool So Direct Taylor was our publicist now. There's a guy people think is wacky and crazy and he's dead now Kim Folly have you ever heard of him of course, he's one of my great friends I hate it when I read negative stuff. He's so smart This father was one of those B movie 40 guys with the double breast suit gangster guy And then when he got older and Walter he was one of like Gabby Hayes guy on pedicote junctions and I Are you you know so Kim Folly was living in England and Derek and I We're talking he says Capital breakfast really sped sounds now It was gonna be released soon in England, you know and and Derek was already the Beatles Beatles guy now is our guy.

46:39I see you know eventually went back and he was Apple yeah, the apple guy And he goes he moves to California. You know to California went crazy Is a smart guy five kids went back to run apple core and 68 and took one of those Big Tahitian Hawaiian chairs like a throne from vlyua restaurant Beverly Hills for his office right there So we're talking I said jack out. Could you give me some ideas what I could do in England? So he writes several pages explaining England and London and he says you know what you should do You know Kim Folly's over there said I know that they said I'll pick the hotel once you go there and and spend Seven or eight days there and use the weekdays and just do some interviews.

47:34There's probably some interest in the Beach Boys That's how it came apart So I wound up doing about 15 interviews a day I know yeah, and as popular as the Beach Boys were here They were both popular and it seemingly more culturally significant there Well, yeah America America got a hot water God showers of the bathroom everything. Yeah, yeah So people were really interested so so the album wasn't out but capital records probably pre -release maybe I think the The international guys were a lot Piper to what to do than the American guys I really do. Why do I say that? in the seventh week of The release of pet sounds capital decided to release The best of the Beach Boys album vlyua one That's the same reason it's the same uh -huh That sounds like the capital was against you guys They were getting against this because all they wanted was the girl surf cars They just wanted more stuff all they wanted was summer yeah, and said they get I know perfectly Well, I'm not where I should be.

48:50Do you still believe in me? I want to grow up they get that instead of the surfy thing, you know and so You know we're in the rip in the black So they're not losing money But they don't want to lose any mole money Uh in the future so they put the best up by the way If you were a bottom line guy That was probably a very smart move for a long time because it's almost up to four million albums As far as our career and growth pet sounds that was the album there it was Week number seven very best of the Beach Boys all promotion off of pet sounds So I'm over there 15 Interviews a day Keith Moon starts hanging out with me because he wants to be one of the Beach Boys and this is my Generation right So he's hanging out with me and every day he brings about five uppers over and I get you're talking to a guy who Just doesn't do any of it So every day he'd bring The speed over and oh thanks man open drawer Everyday nice man Nice man You know, I probably had 30 uppers by the time it was Saturday in my drawer My tank man He's taking me every day Anyway, so he said what are you doing?

50:16I don't know I'm finished now, you know, we did 15 interviews. He said I got a TV show you want to be on that? Sure What's it called? He's just called ready steady go So he takes me over to ready steady go when we do a walk on and Benny Kings on it is so cool and We just hang out every night so I get back to hotel on Friday night after dinner with Keith Moon and Kim's there. He said he's in a lot of you so man. I'm glad you're back. Why John and Paul are waiting for you and you sweet they want to hear pet sounds Bono. I had a record play So they listened to it two times They couldn't have been any cooler and they were dressed in Edwardian suits and one came in the rolls and remember Paul gave his number and it started with the prefix Escher Right and they were playing blackjack with two fans two girl fans, you know They got gotten off on after work and found out I was there and it was really cool So innocent and I say God except for the fact that Mary and faithful got rolled up in a rug You know when there was a raid on the house and they took her out They took her out of it.

51:30Wow. Yeah, she was Okay, so anyway Here's how the Beatles saved the Beach Boys They did not First of all they freaked out All they could talk about was pet sounds and godly nose and EMI totally got with it all over Europe and they really said bang You know and stupes on beat two days after I left it there was number eight It was next week that I left it was number five So the Beatles inadvertently really Save the day like when you go bowling and it bowls down the gutter and you get the bowl again You got a spare they gave us a spare on pet sounds. Yeah, otherwise that probably wouldn't gone as an album wow In a world of artificial highs and harsh stimulants there is something different something clean Something precise athletic nicotine Not the primitive products found behind convenience store counters Not the aggressive buzz that leaves you jittery But a careful calibration of clean energy and focus clarity athletic nicotine The lowest dose tobacco -free nicotine available made entirely in the USA No artificial sweetness just pure purposeful elevation athletic nicotine is a performance new troubling athletic nicotine is a tool for shifting mindsets athletic nicotine is a partner in pursuit of excellence slow release low dose gradual lifting sustained energy soft landing inspired results athletic nicotine more focus less static athletic nicotine more clarity less noise athletic nicotine more accuracy less anxiety athletic nicotine From top athletes pushing their limits to artists pursuing their vision athletic nicotine offers the lift you've been looking for Learn more at athletic nicotine .com slash tetra and experience next level performance with athletic nicotine Warning this product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical We there for the recording of got only notes I was dating this girl And I called tear up and I called for it as a girl Terry and I said Do you mind if on the way to dinner if we stop in Hollywood We want to you know, I just got back from Japan and Carl said you gotta come to these sessions Brian's the tracks he's making this is before it was called pet sounds and I walked in with Terry on our way to go to Beverly Hills to go to the Lou out for dinner I walk in and Brian's recording got only notes I'm listening.

54:27Uh oh Wait a minute This is really cool Because Brian starts uh with the first the first first with the five on the bottom So there's do do do do do do do usually goes duh Do do do do do do do do I may not always love okay the bass notes starts with the five and one What and there's the few string players over in the corner In those days Rick we had this thing wonderful thing called leakage Now now we were up to four track by the way And but we had leakage you know and how blame would be the guy who'd run all the sessions Terry and I stayed for about an hour and uh I got it and I thought Always know when it's time to leave Carl was in the booth with Brian Brian's best friend was Carl So I went to dinner and okay, this is before Pet sounds released recording this stuff so Brian just the scientist note after note apart after part after part We just sometimes like uh I just wasn't made for these times we had everybody including me.

55:31We had had Dennis We had six vocal parts and if you listen to I just wasn't made For these times part of us in Spanish Wow In Spanish in the chorus so we make this beautiful album and uh Brian and I had a sing off though. I don't know if you remember On slip John B which wasn't it's destiny at that point to go on pet sounds It we should have gone on to California girls album called summer days and summer nights So it was just sitting there capital that we don't hear any hits we don't think wouldn't be nice godly nose So okay, sure nice so they talk Brian and the pudding stupes John B which has nothing to do with pet sounds You know, it's a beautiful recording Everybody treasures it loves it And so during the recording of that I talk Brian into writing a higher vocal note And he couldn't reach it.

56:30I ran here. He says be Woo He said I can't see that high. Why don't you do it Me? Yeah, so I That's the only time I interfered But it's just a technicality because it wasn't destined to be As it as as I later found out it was wrong on pet sounds It wasn't done in the spirit of pet sounds. Yeah, you know Tell me the story of the studio session for Barbara and well The Barbara and studios just the Barbara and studio One night we had all the girlfriends wise would have come over and and make a sound like a party And we had potato chips country on switch on. Yeah, but We inadvertently had made a an unplugged album, you know I played based on a lot of it lucky me the day I officially got in the music business For real was my first demo I Saved up enough money to hire What would be in the future of the Barbara and studio?

57:34You Using the engineer that became Brian's engineer Chuck Brits When I made this demo I was in love with my voice and it's so soft the song was terrible and I Sidebar to the sidebar And I and I took the demo It's especially records because they love the little Richard and I played it for their a and r guy there and he had You know pocket pen protector or whatever it is and source Steve shirt with He listened to it and he said you know This is not what we're looking for right now, but Bruce If you really get excited about something could you come back and play it for us Who's the an arm in? Sonny Bono wow I don't believe is that not a cool story so cool okay So back to the first day in the Barbara and studio in the music business You know, I was playing in high school free sunnian share Oh, yeah, it's sunny.

58:33Well, that was his job. He was an a and r guy He wasn't down It's cosmos studio where he should have been in New Orleans With Earl Palmer on drums playing a ghost foot pedal and Richard singing You know, it was owned by Art Wu and it was up on just to beyond where the crescendo was towards holly with about four or five doors Especially records office then studio But they didn't cut any hits there they cut him in New Orleans at cosmos who's it's still there Okay, so the first day I'm in I'm making my demo of this horrible song There's a guy black guy Dressed pretty cool actually and I and I saw him drive in in a four door in 1956 Like a group to build four door no such thing.

59:23Well, I don't know what they go. It's some kind of a fleet It was great. Had a diamond pinky rain a white tie and a white shirt and he owned this Thing that we all listen to we listen to huggy boy on the radio here From the widest guy ever Down the middle of Watts broadcasting from dolphins of hollywood You can look him on a John dolphin. He had record labels. He had everything And I had the chancellors daughter of UCLA my friend girl from high school barbrown remember that so he um He said here's my card. Why don't you bring your your acetate down when you finish So we went down there in the door was locked and there was a black guy Percy Anderson ivy.

1:00:09He was muttering and pissed off Ah, no, he's in here, you know, just all the sudden dialect white guys never heard before a whoo He said John you owe me money. It's like watching a video staggerly And it goes no, I don't and so the next thing I I see in here is that guy shoots him five times in front of me when I'm 17 Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba Shoots dolphin kills him kills it and he falls on the heater and turns the heater on it smells like crap in there and so One of the guys my band who is now First chair Flout is with the LA Philharmonic He's in high school with me played tenor saxon. He gets grazed by bullet Everyone else runs out except me so I stay there and I see dolphins Foming at the mouth dead, you know 17 years old.

1:01:06Wait a minute. No, I'm 15 years old. Excuse me. Wow. I'm 15. This is February 1st 1958 Wow, still 15 years old. Okay Okay, so you just watched the guy get murdered in front of you No, and your first day in the music this first day in the music business Because of Barbara Ann's Chancellor Raymond Allen of UCLA we kept about 99 % of it out of the paper and we put it on, you know Over there in the ocean, so Not story didn't come out. It's just slowly buried So that was my very first day in the music business That day you knew this is for me No, it took two more years And then in that time period I was in San Eelsons little band and specter was in it And I listened to his chorus about oh my god, what was he like They made you were they made No, he's probably year two years old and he's very eccentric.

1:02:12School or different school Like Kirby River Alper and those guys they went to and that Kleinboard. They went to Fairfax You know, but he was just eccentric And you know the title of his song to know him is to love him That's the epitaph on his father's graze tone You know, that's how he got that Okay, so that's how I got my start and then I um Working up to Beach Boys our band that we put together took the place of the house band for art Lebo Because they had shows at Long Beach Municipal Auditorium. They has shows at Pasadena Civic and Elmani lesion stadium You have to tell me about art Lebo too Well art Lebo he was just a It's just a great promoter You know he promoted himself right into being one of the writers of the song I wrote Uh as as was what was happening in those days of course that's not an unusual story I know so Larry Nectal was the keyboard player And Mike Barbraini was the drummer and they got hired to join Dwayne at his band So Larry who became one of the members of the bread And also got a Grammy for arranging with Jimmy Haskell Bridge over troubled water.

1:03:25That's him playing the piano amazing first half with art So everybody does something if you hang around long off something brevy happened Yeah So we get in this band specters gone he actually has moved to New York you know for a few months and under the wing of Libra and Stolar Who are LA guys that went to LA City College, you know, and they're the guys who wrote Smoky Joe's cafe before long before the two The two robins went to New York and became the coasters and they wrote for Elvis as well. They wrote loving you I will spend my whole life through they also wrote For big mama Thornton wow in recorded this with Johnny Otis like a 50 to 50 one No, the hell on top that was her original recording and she When she met these two white Jewish guys Lieber and Stolar with the song she almost she almost beat him up.

1:04:22She's about six feet on you get out And and Johnny Otis, na mama mama, you gotta listen to this mama could settle down You know all that stuff schooling on Johnny Otis on TV by the way local TV for two years So I see James Brown and 5758 on his TV show You know like first round of hits please please please and was that another mind blowing like James Brown must have been insane the first time You saw it well I saw the first time I saw him live was 61 at the Paramount Theater with an 18 piece big band and he would play organ in it and do all kinds of things And a steps and he had his valet and he'd throw it off and run back out and Three high school girls Called the blue bells were his background troop Paddy Lebel Wow, I saw the legal you know I had the curiosity you had his young guy for what was going on I was I was everywhere everywhere.

1:05:21I was in Watts. I was again, wider than Pattoon and but it was safe then No one gave me any crap. So all this stuff's going on around me, you know and somehow I'm learning how to surf And I'm going to the surf movies and I'm listening to Richard. I'm listening to Sumatra I'm just all this cool stuff's happening You know just influencing me. I would say I only have eyes for you as I said earlier that's Like the verses are in duop And the chorus is there But I only have you major efforts for thighs for you do do do do do do do what you want. I thought okay I'm just listening to it. We got to listen to it.

1:06:11Okay. What'll listen to it This is original Anyone but you Stars I don't know if this cloudy Here comes the major stuff He's falsetto on this record by the way That just duop slow dance You falsetto like Brian Recorded track and everything in three hours and voices New York You are The falsetto And I only have eyes Isn't that a piece of work some people it's like a symphony to me. Yeah fantastic What do you think that the shoe -muffet about vocals you think that that was Because they didn't have horns So it's like doing a horn part. No, no, no, no, no What do you think it was it almost sounds like do what you want or shoe -vap Chewvap you know just what they did Terry Johnson Who's still around if you ever see picture the coast or sees the guy with the less Paul guitar He did he did that whole arrangement And they just went in and recorded it three hours Front the back and the mix back But that's very elegant though I could play have you Play part of a song that kind of kept me in the music business Okay, just play a little piece of I'm not in love by ten cc.

1:10:13Okay Every everybody recorded every note they could record on a separate track and they All the voices are mixed this way Great song to you know the song just this to Recorded that orange studios and Manchester I So don't forget it It's just the silly face I'm going through So there's a song there being a song besides all that stuff I call you Just a little more Little bit by Graham Grover Oh Oh You know I listen to the whole thing. I just want you to see what What I did amazing that kind of kept me going yeah I like the songs I'm on the freeway in my Porsche Because I could afford it I'm listening to the radio I hear joy to the world George Okay, cute song And then I hear I I believe in music And then I hear all girl Lobo I want you to want me And I I'm thinking to myself I can't spell it but I think it's happening Epiphany yeah And I go I should write a song about where music comes from great I always like startling words like I've done a lot of Elton John's recording I was like working with Elton because Bernie's lyrics are just so whacked out and wonderful So I always think well You kind of have a really interesting first line So I went Intro I've been alive forever and I wrote the very first song No, if you can't get some of that you might as well not finish the song.

1:12:56It's a good. It's a good opening line It's kind of like pretend I'm interviewing God yeah, and I go so God tell me about yourself Well, okay, uh, I've been alive forever. I wrote the very first song but the words the melodies together I'm music and I write the songs hey Yeah, yeah It's ultimately a devotional song Kind of it is kind you just told me the story and I'm telling you you might not know it well It's a devotional song it is but I uh, but I I kind of never told Barry what it was really about I said it well, it's just about the spirit of music Barry Because I know he would have loved it and finally after he waited a year before he called Clive back When I was a Columbia records Clive was one of the guys I worked with in the business supporter wow So when uh He called Clive back is this okay Even though I think people are going to think I'm considered a little I get it I hear it He put about 85 key changes and he put every tricky new and it actually worked And then three years ago he called me up and said I want to listen to My live version so he had a live version with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra the some venue that 18 ,000 people in England and uh It was shock you if you think the record was good it was just all over it's all over it's called live in London Let's listen to it.

1:14:22Okay, let's listen to it That's it We'd hear them sing it them Then I'll tell you the arrangement story I Been alive forever And I wrote the very first song I put the words and the melodies together I am music and I write songs I write songs that make the whole world sing I write songs of the special days I write songs that make the young girls cry I write songs I write songs My home lies deep within you I've got my own place in your soul Now and I look out through your rest I'm young again even though I'm very Come on sing as one with us, come on, I'm here, you ready I write songs that make the whole world sing 18 ,000 people in life Nice I read songs that make the young girl I write songs Hey Hey Oh my music makes the dance And gives you spirit to pick chance And I wrote some rock and roll So you can move Music fills your heart Well that's a real fine place to start It's for me, it's for you, it's for you, it's for me It's a worldwide symphony I write the songs that make the whole world sing I write songs of the special days I write songs that make the young girls cry I write songs I write songs I write songs that make the whole world sing I write songs of the special days I write songs that make the young girls cry I write songs I write songs I write songs It's a music I write music that I write songs It's a music that I write songs I write the songs And I write the songs It's a music Music Music Music Music It's cool, huh?

1:19:00Very cool So when I call Berry Back I said You said Are you kidding? Really Bruce, it's your arrangement I said how could it be my arrangement He said You know the recording you made with I write the songs with divacacity It was top 10, top 11, something in England. He said, I just copy that arrangement. Oh, because I did the arrangement. I said, okay, cool. No wonder it sounded good. Tell me about the intro to the song. Intro? But the chords before it goes into the ballad. I called that the doorbell.

1:19:47It's the signature of the song. No, I just get you. Let's see, no way here. Pay attention to my song in the radio. That's why that's there. Yeah. And then after that intro, then there's the engaging lyrics. I've been alive forever. Here, I'll turn your piano and I'll play you something I just wrote to Barry. Not a new song. I wrote him a new intro. Good. Are you ready? Yeah. You might like this. So it goes.

1:20:28Another melody is the chorus is a... Right? So I put it in the intro.

1:20:56Beautiful. Isn't that cool? So beautiful. I'm going to name some names, Tony's stories about the people. Tony Asher. He's the sweetest, nicest guy. He was a copywriter at an advertising agency. Somehow he met Brian and we were talking about writing. And we these boys were in Japan for two or three weeks. And so Tony and Brian started writing pet sounds. Is Mike Capable, Michael Capable writing? A pet sounds? Absolutely. Did you ever hear Mike's song called The Warmth of the Sun? Yeah. That's Mike's song. He wrote the words. I love that song. Thank you. That's one of my favorite beats. That's my favorite beats for a song ever written.

1:21:47Well, that's the song. We got to listen to Warmth of the Sun. Oh, man. God, come on. That's the best recording and the best song they ever wrote together. That's why I knew he was right for pet sounds. He's very hurt by that, by the way.

1:22:30That's why I knew he was right for pet sounds. That's why I knew he was right for pet sounds. That's why I knew he was right for pet sounds. Within me and now, within me and now. The love of my mind, she left me one room.

1:23:13I cried when she said, I don't feel the same way.

1:23:26Still I have no one. The song of my mind, within me tonight.

1:23:42I'll dream of the world. And I'll prove that I'm ready.

1:23:55Just like she's still there. But we're not afraid.

1:24:08My love, I'm the fool. The song of my mind. It won't ever die.

1:24:48Unbelievable. That's it. Somehow, Brian would talk to Carl every night in Japan until I'm what he was doing. But he was doing what he usually do with Mike, but with Tony and he's just working with Tony. What do I think of Tony? Who do I think it should have been? Because I'm loyal to Lenin McCartney or Rodgers and Hammer State. Mike and Brian.

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1:26:51What are the inner -band politics like and how they changed over the years? That's just like these leaves, boy. They just change. They just happen. Nobody does anything mean spirited. You know, I just think Mike never knowing that that was on the horizon. Yeah. Brian should have offered it to his cousin first. Just of the strength of warmth of the sun. Everything's perfect. Did you know Gary Usher? Very well. He was kind of like a threat to Murray Wilson in terms of his writing and everything. And he was a real ambitious guy that, you know, his ambition as the dad was. So that got in the way. What do I think of him as a great guy?

1:27:45How could I not like someone who wrote in my room? What a great song. Great song. Brian and Gary. Great song. You know. So he was an A &R guy. He was very worked on staff at Capillary. He did everything. He was a good survivor. And he died way too young. Jack Nietzsche. Jack is fantastic. Fantastic arrangement. Every place. Everything he did. You ever get to work with him? Not really. I spent a lot of time with him. More because of his wife. She's a singer. She's so cool. And she said, Terry Bruce, you've got to come here tonight. You're a Laurel Canyon simply. And she said, you've got to listen to this guy's songs.

1:28:31Free will in album Bob Dylan. Wow. And Gary she was, she said, this guy is going to change the way people write songs. And she was so right. And that was Jack Nietzsche's wife. Probably nobody knows she did that. Amazing. So a lot of us. Van Dyke Parts. He's not somebody to dislike. He's too sweet. He's like Kirkpatrius. Too nice. But I know that he admitted to Mike Love with some of his lyrics. He didn't know what they mean, but they sound right. Okay. You know, what can I say? He's a very clever guy. But I think I really think he took Brian off the path. I see myself. Sagittarius, my world fell down.

1:29:16Well, I think he's a very clever guy. I actually walked out of the session. Gary usher produced it. We did it a Columbia record. Glenn Campbell sang on it. And some of the people seeing him with me were singing flat. And I couldn't get him to sing on really unkey to my standard. So I sang it and just left. And people love it. And I listened to it and something just says, this is wrong. Wow. The pitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The pitch. You have perfect pitch. Luckily, I don't. You don't want perfect pitch. But you can hear. You can hear what it's up to. I can hear pitch. Yeah. Perfect pitch is something that's for people who listen to radio stations that sped their records up so they can get them over faster to so more time.

1:30:01Yeah. And so you'd hear stuff and you'd go, oh, yeah. Lou Adler. Lou. I think Lou was born cool. Yeah. As he got older and older and older, he got above the 100 % mark for being cool without trying. He's great. Now he's 90 years old. I saw a picture of him someplace with Herbie. Herb Albert and Lou were partners and they managed Jan and Dean. And when they broke up, Lou took the management and right then to do. What do you think Herb took? The Ampix 601. 601 dash machine. Pate machine. And went down, I'm told to Mexico to where they had the bull fights and recorded all the Oles and then he had a studio in his garage and started and recorded Lonely Bull.

1:30:57Worked out okay. When I was at Columbia Records, Sherry Moss and 63 used to come to my office working for Publisher and play me songs. amazing. And Herbie and I was not that I didn't have any money. It doesn't matter when you're young. Yeah. It's just a money. How do girls say? I used to do a few sessions with him and we got $10 a song. I'd play a keyboard. He'd play trumpet and like sunset sound or one of those studios. It's great. Amazing. Who were the sleepwalkers? I think it might have been me. I don't know. I think Kim Folly named whatever I was doing as a sleepwalkers. That's all I know.

1:31:40And was there a bend before that? The Barons? Oh, that was Jan Berry and Dean Torrance's high -wire, like YMCA, high -wire club name of their rough and tough guys club at University High School called the Barons. Jack, it's everything. The tears was Girls Club, Nancy's and Autras Club. Wow. Cool. My curb. Fantastic guy. Just a real straight, press -preterian kind of business man, loved music, but had to put a lot of stuff together. And now he still has the biggest in America, independent label, and the curb records in tons of hits in Nashville. Great guy. Great guy. Are the Beach Boys the longest existing band in history?

1:32:39Maybe still a living -ish. Yeah. I mean, stones were after. Yeah, that's good. Most people don't realize that. Stones were after. Yeah. Okay. I want to read you something. A friend of mine was one of the biggest stations in America was WMMS in Cleveland. Bruce Springsteen would be at the Coliseum. The Beach Boys would be at Blossom. Laura Brannigan would be at Salt. We'd all be sold out in the same night, promoted by the same station. That's how big they were. So Walter Tabursky sends me this. He says, thanks Bruce. I'll always be grateful to you for your long -time support, encouragement, and guidance during my Hazy -Grazy Radio Days, Walter's programmer, program director.

1:33:30I wrote Walter a letter. I think I was writing myself.

1:33:37Walter. We all grow in our careers as we age. And my personal focus is to continue reaching out to humanity via songs I write to share how I view life. And hopefully my messages will resonate with other agreeable souls. I am always a positive person. And I hope my songs reflect that. Walter, no retirement for me. Even if I'm on my back, I'll use sign language if that's what it takes to deliver my message of hope, love, romance, loyalty, keeping the world's environmental issues, center stage, if corrections are needed, parentheses. I use among the founders. I use the Sirfrider Foundation to deal with all the ocean pollution problems plaguing the planet.

1:34:25And a trillion other thoughts I have about living. Just saying Bruce. Beautiful. It's kind of sent that to my little blur. Beautiful. Tell me the story of Sirfriders. It's really cool. There's a lot of guys that got famous in surfing in those days. So I know all these guys and they said, you know what we're working on what? We want to call this thing the Sirfrider Foundation. Let me be part of it. Oh sure you're in. So in 84, we wound up having the Sirfrider Foundation or Sirfrider .org. And so you go to the beach and little kids there and you're just looking at a Coke can and we say, well, if you don't dispose of this properly and we'll show you how to do it, it'll be there 350 years.

1:35:11And we go through the plaster. We do that. So I know we had us, we were kind of the members. Anyway, I guess how many members nonprofit we have. We have 200 chapters and a million members. Wow. Sirfrider .org. Wow. So I heard a story that when Richard Branson started his new label V2, there was a rumor that he was going to sign the beach boys and there was an idea like get back to the creative. Okay. So we had the most amazing deal with Branson. Yeah. And we would be the first artist. Yeah. Long time. So everyone was for it except Brian's wife. And he said, great idea. We should do it. But first Brian has to have a solo album or we're not signing.

1:36:09Deals gone. Wow. Not that everybody needed money. But you know, there's plenty of advance and budget. Yeah. So it also seemed like a creative breath of new life from someone who wanted something great from the beach boys instead of what your experience with that. You're exactly right. But I don't want to she just passed away in the last two or three months. But she just said, oh sure, great idea. But we have but first Brian has to have his own album. And he said, okay, of course we'll make a here's the budget for Brian valve. But first we have to do the beach boys. She said, no, it has to be Brian.

1:36:58Goodbye. Thank God. Yeah. Tell me about Brian. Would you say you know him well? I don't think so. I have served him well. Yeah. That's all I can tell you. Yeah. When you read our book, you'll learn more about the band as I learn more about the band. Yeah. You know, I read all the rough drafts and it's totally written from beach boys. It's not a ghost writers. Yeah. You know, things on file that Carl because he's not alive. Yeah. You know, Brian kind of got captured by a lot of people. You know, probably thinking, I don't think we can work with him. This is really great. I remember kind of later in the pet sound sessions, people say after 830 we start bringing pills and things.

1:37:52You know, with the sales thing on Brian, hey, this is going to really give you more depth to your creative activity. Just all the wrong people brought all the wrong stuff. I see. So did I know Brian? I knew Brian more like the sun coming out in Great Britain because it's so cloudy. You get glumsters of the sun. You know, one fun glimpse. We did the beach boys 50th anniversary. And we were at one of those TV shows that just sell clothing, sell TV, sell everything right. And I think we sold like that night. We sold 30 ,000 out and it's just by going on and playing a song. That's pretty good. And while Brian was sitting around, we're just kind of talking with him.

1:38:46He's kind of being okay. And he said, I had a couple top five records that year. What year? Oh, and in 64 and into 65. All right. You know, I have said a number one record here. You started going over all this hits. It's just talking to us. I thought, is this guy waking up? Be healthy? He's just, we're talking about it. It's so cool. And that's probably the last time he was really Brian. I don't know what his demons were or are. I don't know how much his medication helped him or preserved him or harmed him. As a songwriter, looking at Brian's songs, how would you say his songwriting changed from the earliest days?

1:39:35I think the Beast Boy has ended on that level with Brian maybe stepped out but stepping back in with the recording of Till I Die. Have you ever heard that? Okay, play right now. Okay. I think that's the last Brian Wilson brilliant thing. He happened to write the lyrics. The last time he wrote the lyrics was sort of for girl and then Mike wrote everything else. Till I die on the search sub album. It's so revealing. It's fantastic. He's into his army. We're seeing harmony.

1:40:47I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know oh It killed my soul Hey Hey Hey Hey I'm only following me Hey Pretty soon I'll be going How long will the wind Oh How long will the wind Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Until I Do These things I Do These things I These things I Do These things I Do These things I Do What do you think? Heavy That's the last time I heard Brian be a real Brian. He wrote the words too. Wow. All the heavy. Heavy. You know. Heavy. I wanted to give him a Some kind of a psychological Ph .D. for that one. That's just Put his insides on the table and just sang about them.

1:42:54Insight thoughts. Very beautiful. That's just me chart. Anything is me. I don't speak for the band. Yeah, yeah, no, of course. On the inside outside USA.

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