CLASSICAL: Tyler Cowen

18 Oct 2024 · 1 h 13 min

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Podcast Episode Notes: CLASSICAL: Tyler Cowen

Overview

  • Podcast Title: Tetragrammaton
  • Episode Title: CLASSICAL: Tyler Cowen
  • Description: Tyler Cowen discusses major pillars of Russian classical music, covering composers from Rimsky-Korsakov to Stravinsky and exploring their influences and significance in the music world.

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Key Themes & Discussions

Introduction to Russian Classical Music

  • Tyler Cowen's Background:
  • Cowen has a deep obsession with music, viewing it as a vital component of a fulfilling intellectual life.

Major Composers Discussed

  1. Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov
  2. Influenced by Mikhail Glinka, who is credited with creating Russian classical music.
  3. Known for works like "Scheherazade" and "Flight of the Bumblebee", which are lush and ornamented.
  4. Attempted to align Russian music with European standards.
  1. Modest Mussorgsky
  2. Known for drawing upon Russian folk traditions.
  3. His compositions were often controversial and did not conform to classical norms.
  4. Rimsky-Korsakov famously re-orchestrated Mussorgsky's works, which Cowen critiques as a distortion of the original intent.
  1. Igor Stravinsky
  2. A student of Rimsky-Korsakov, Stravinsky experimented across multiple styles.
  3. Transitioned from neoclassical to innovative forms, integrating Russian folk traditions and European influences.
  4. His ballet "The Rite of Spring" caused a riot at its premiere, marking a significant cultural moment representing a break from tradition.
  1. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
  2. A prominent figure of Russian nationalism in music during the late 19th century.
  3. His work gained international acclaim yet was shrouded in controversy due to his personal life.
  4. Known for pieces that evoke deep emotional and national sentiments.
  1. Sergei Rachmaninoff & Other 20th-century Composers
  2. Discussed briefly as part of the Russian classical music evolution and influence.

Music Characteristics

  • Ornamentation vs. Folk Traditions:
  • Cowen contrasts the lush ornamentation of Rimsky-Korsakov with the raw, earthy qualities of Mussorgsky's folk-inspired works.
  • Cultural Influence:
  • Discussion on how Russian music differs from European music, emphasizing its folk roots and the influence of socio-political conditions.

Stravinsky's Evolution

  • Period Shifts:
  • Cowen highlights Stravinsky’s shifts in style from neoclassicism to more radical forms, incorporating primal elements and rejecting established norms.
  • Influence on Future Music:
  • Stravinsky's work is seen as foundational for various modern musical movements, including noise music and electronic music.

Summary of Musical Works Played

  • Rimsky-Korsakov: "Scheherazade"
  • Mussorgsky: "Pictures at an Exhibition" (original and re-orchestrated versions)
  • Stravinsky: "Firebird Suite", "The Rite of Spring"
  • Tchaikovsky: "Marche Slave"
  • Scriabin's Works: Highlighting the chaotic and abstract qualities of his music.

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Key Takeaways

  • Cultural Reflection: Russian classical music serves as a reflection of the country's cultural and political landscape, with composers often grappling with their national identity.
  • Collaborative Nature: The conversations between composers, including re-orchestrations and influences, illustrate the interconnectedness of their works.
  • Radical Innovations: Stravinsky's break from traditional forms represents a significant turning point in music history, influencing future genres.
  • Music as a Narrative: Cowen emphasizes the narrative qualities in compositions, linking music to storytelling and cultural expression.

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Conclusion This episode serves as an insightful exploration of Russian classical music through the lens of influential composers, their revolutionary ideas, and the cultural contexts that shaped their works. Tyler Cowen’s passion for the subject provides a deep understanding of the intricate relationship between music, culture, and history.

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0:11Tetragramatine Should we begin with today? Let's try some Stravinsky neoclassical period. What were the different periods of Stravinsky? So Stravinsky is always experimenting with new ideas. His teacher was Rimsky Korsakov, who wrote Jeharazad. We can listen to a bit of that later. Rimsky Korsakov was very ornamented. Very, you could say, classical. Trying to create a sound of glamour, writing operas. He was in a sense trying to make Russian music more like European music. I don't think this enterprise ever succeeded. Was he the first Russian composer to try to sound European? Well, you could say Glinka, which is more or less the 1840s, is the first Russian composer to create a Russian classical music.

1:13And he wrote two well -known operas and many other pieces. And he was trying to bring Russian music into his own. And he is the found from which a lot of later Russian music comes. Glinka, he's not listened to that much anymore, but it's actually pretty good. Rimsky Korsakov, we still listen to. Jeharazad and Flight of the Bumblebee. That's a very famous piece. Let's hear some Rimsky Korsakov. Here's Fritz Reiner with the Chicago Symphony. He created very nice recorded sounds.

2:27It's very ornamented, very lush.

4:42The very dramatic, right? Just beautiful, flat out right. It sounds like the kind of sound that you're playing. It sounds you'd hear in Hollywood movies, maybe from the late 40s or 1950s. And they drew on Rimsky Korsakov explicitly. You can hear it. Absolutely. Now, there's another major strand in Russian music in the mid to late 19th century. And that's Mazzorsky. So he's drawing upon folk songs. And he was considered a kind of untruthed barbarian. Mazzorsky. So Rimsky, it's all very perfectly in place, wonderfully played. When Mazzorsky put his music out, people hated it. In fact, Rimsky Korsakov took one of Mazzorsky's pieces and re -orchestrated it so it would sound correct.

5:27He ruined it. In my opinion, we can listen to that in a moment. But you can think of Stravinsky as having his teacher, Rimsky, who taught him at an actually orchestrate, which he did learn. And then Mazzorsky, who's luring him toward the Russian folk tradition. So we're here in Italy, of course. There's a longstanding Italian tradition of music from the cities. Were they both from the same place in Russia? I don't think so, but I couldn't tell you a fan. Stravinsky is from near St. Petersburg. A lot of Russian music was more likely to be from St. Petersburg than from Moscow. So Stravinsky is longing for the folk tradition.

6:07And unlike Germany, Italy, which had these well -developed urban music for centuries, Russia never quite had that because it cities were immature. So the folk tradition was always the lure, sort of luring each and every Russian composer into doing things that were weird. And then at the same time, you have a lot of the Russian composers worried that their status was inferior to that of Europe. And being schizophrenic as to whether they should embrace that difference or somehow try to overcome it and fight back. And that's another lens through which you can understand Stravinsky, that he's trying to integrate all the different traditions into the life of one composer, so to speak.

6:49Let's see if we can hear a good Mazzorsky song. And that recording of the Chaharazad, even though it's from 1956, it still sounds wonderful. It's before all orchestras started sounding the same. Have you ever been to hear classical music in Russia? Yeah, fantastic. How's the experience going from country to country hearing the music made in that country in the orchestral setting? In Russia, just the quality of performers you've never heard of is through the ceiling. My favorite place to hear music would be Germany and Berlin, just the discipline imposed, the quality of the audience, but basically St.

7:31Petersburg, Moscow, Berlin, Vienna, would be the greatest of musical cities to hear live music. Vienna is a bit more ruined by tourist demand. There's a lot of Mozart and 60 -minute sort of concerts in the churches. Oh, let's see, which one of these Mazzorsky songs shall we try? Let's see how the cradle song will do for... uh, nerth the nursery.

8:02Kick! Go, go, go. Go, go. Go, go. Kick the jing. Kick! Kick! Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Go, go, go.

8:44Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, oh, oh, what do I have?

9:31negro noi ou o um Passengering a bell tower and aonian Sス we drink in beautiful Internship full of his incense Is that typical of Mazzorski? Yes. Irregular rhythms. Playful. Playful. Perverse. Never delivering quite the pleasing moment, confusing you a bit. How do you like that one? Interesting. Very interesting. To me, he's the great Russian composer of the 19th century, not Rimsky, but will play a bit of Rimsky re -orchestrating Mazzorski. You can see what the change this is. But this is Mazzorski's most famous piece because it was featured in a 1940 Disney movie called Fantasia that you've probably seen.

11:45I've seen. Maybe even showed to your kid, Leopold Stakowski was conducting that, and this is Night on Bald Mountain. And here's Duda Mell doing it. Let's see how this recording goes.

12:04This is Pictures at an Exhibition. Also Orch is traded by Rimsky.

12:15And is this Azimazzorski intended it? No, not at all. We can hear that in a moment.

12:33It's like Hollywood music, again, isn't it?

12:39Nice, but it bothers me. And now let's hear it as Mazzorski intended it. Now that opening part, Mazzorski intended it as Russian church bells. But it's obscured by the orchestration. And the piano version, this is Richter playing, is again eccentric and willful.

15:26See how he doesn't release the tension?

15:34It sounds like it's squaring a story. It feels very narrative -based. And it is. It's fully narrative -based. Each movement of this piece is about different characters. This is the No -men.

16:39The bells return.

17:04Is it always played this fast on piano? This is one of those pieces. Every pianist plays it differently. And Richter had this highly eccentric style, which I think matches Mazzorski perfectly. Horror wits in Richter are the two greatest recordings of this piece. And this is Richter's. How different is the horror wits? Let's see if we can find it. I think the horror wits recording was 1952. Yeah, Carnegie Hall. Here we go.

18:56Each pianist is just refusing to smooth out the piece. They're nervous, they're jittery, the energy comes through. I believe Emerson Lekin Palmer did an album of Mazzorski. They called it. Was it pictures at an exhibition? Yeah. Let's see if Emerson Lekin Palmer.

21:07I think Mazzorski would have liked this better than the Rimski version.

21:19So 1970s. Really fun. Yeah. Now one other element in Russian music we can't leave out is Tchaikovsky. Where was Tchaikovsky on the timeline? I think Tchaikovsky's dying in the 1890s, I believe. So he's the second half of the 19th century. At the time of his death, he's probably the most famous composer in all of Europe. He makes Russians proud of themselves again. He's very much a Russian nationalist. When the Ukraine war started, a lot of concert halls canceled his music. I think was a big mistake. But people were mixing something from culture from, say, 1880 with a war being fought today. And Tchaikovsky got canceled another time because he very much enjoyed erotically Aesons with young boys.

22:10And even he felt he was doing the wrong thing. You see this in his correspondence. But he was gay and had a proclivity, aDrive and very much the wrong direction. So he's just been a controversial figure. But just his sheer ability to compose was so strong. And it's aggressive and it's driving. It's wonderfully orchestrated. I think it's what students, if you wanted to avoid it in a way. But let's hear a classic Tchaikovsky piece, which is not too long. March Slav. And this also communicates the nationalism. If you knew nothing about this piece and you heard it, and someone said, where is it from?

22:51And half a second, you would know where it's from.

22:56Okay.

24:25I'm going to go. You can hear the rimski influence. It's so seductive, isn't it? Yes. It sounds beautiful, sad, labor, hard -working. And then at the part where we stopped, it sounded like it blossomed into something more beautiful. Which is common in Tchaikovsky. That was by Abido Italian conductor. Let's see if we can find a Russian conductor doing this. Here's a name that appears to be Russian.

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28:53Dr Super Habern ,滷肚鼠 He's built a Brahmedian museum and a musician that isOpen Years ,inflammatory Universitydramatic monks. and it should just allow you to immerse yourself in the ecstasy of being. And what year was he? Very early 20th century or his best works. He has a fairly short period of being at his peak. Let's see. Same time as Reich, because the Orgone itself very much tied into what you're describing. Yes, but he is first chronologically. And Screab and Was Strange, people thought he was strange. At the time, no one knew what to make of it. And this attitude, it just keeps on moving and it scurries off into nowhere.

29:49But it's just pulling you along and it keeps on confusing you. And there's one version here with Harwitz playing, who was of course a great Screab and player. He was the first pianist to really introduce Screab and to America and convince people there was something to it. So let's see what this performance...

33:14Sounds more like a descendant of Miser's ski than Rimsie. Absolutely. And you hear the bells a bit. There's also a lot of Chopin, Influence in there. But it's a piece that scatters itself. It feels chaotic. Yeah. Screab and had a great influence on 20th century music. He also could be satanic. So my favorite Screab and Peace, it's Sonata number nine. Someone else later called it the Black Mass Sonata. That's right. There's a lot of good recordings of this. Let's try Tiefenov.

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41:17I prefer that piece to the first one. He just gets better and better, Screab and... He's realizing more and more his vision. Yeah. It still feels aimless to me, but maybe that's part of his trip. That's part of his trip I think. Yeah, it feels like it's going somewhere, but never arriving. The piano Sonata is five through ten. I think are the greatest of Screab and works. works. And Stravinsky thought the best two were nine and ten, and that was nine that we just heard. So that's 1913. So in that year, culture in Russia is maybe more vital, more innovative than anywhere else. And people are really taking chances, you know, put out a piece like that.

41:57Pretty different. Absolutely. But it happened, and a lot of people were doing it. So you're Stravinsky. It sounds fearless. Yeah. It was the visual arts than dancing ballet was all quite fearless until a bit after the Bolsheviks took over. So that's one of the great cultural tragedies of human history, I think, is that all these traditions essentially were lost. So even Stravinsky, he's going to leave Russia at the time of World War I, a mix of not wanting to fight and not wanting to be in a country that might lose. And he goes to Switzerland later, he goes to Paris, much later, he ends up living in Los Angeles.

42:39But that whole environment was just torn apart by the two wars and the communists. Does his music change when he leaves Russia? Oh, absolutely. But with Stravinsky, it's changing every piece. So one thing Stravinsky does, he's stuffed with all this Russian music. He studied French music very carefully, knew all the classics Beethoven and so on. And like, what can you do that's different? So he and part wanted to rebel against Thai culture. So Rimsky, for instance, writes many operas, even Mazzorsky writes two operas. Covansina and Boris Kudinov and Stravinsky by doing ballet, which we now take for granted, but at the time it was a radical anti -establishment statement that we're not going to do opera.

43:30There's also going to inject ideas from French music and what was later called primitivism into his ballets. And furthermore, the ballets gave rise to artworks. So the people who would design the sets were some of Russia's greatest artists like Bach's and Benoit. And instead of doing paintings, they thought they're going to do something sort of low -class in art, which is just design ballet sets. But a lot of the greatest works of Russian art are these designs of ballet sets, which are not paintings, but quite incredible. And there's this whole movement to just do everything differently, which is peaking.

44:08You could say, you know, the 1910s up through First World War. So let's hear part of one of Stravinsky's ballets. This is the firebird suite. This is when he was still living in Russia. Yes. He revised a lot of his work. So what year exactly something was composed? But this would be a little bit before Scriab and Peace, which was 1912 and 1913. And here he's not fully radical, but you can see he's up to big changes. Here's a James Levine version. We'll play a bit of this. This was also in the Disney movie Fantasia. And this starts as slow and creeping. And then it's going to blossom into something a bit less.

44:51So you're going to hear a lot of Rimsky in this piece, too.

45:38This sounds more English. And Debussy is a huge influence and Rimsky, too.

45:53It's like pastoral.

47:09The fully radical move is going to come with right of spring, which is 1913. And it takes a little while for that piece to get going. But that's when Stravinsky really is breaking with this past and bringing primitiveism and just ritual and this idea of sacrifice into music. Some people have said this was a precursor of World War One. When it was first performed, the reports were that the audiences rioted in through chairs and made trouble and were violent. I'm not sure we know exactly how true that was or if it's apocryphal. But some weird things are going to happen. So let's let this one rip.

50:41You can see it's building.

51:22Now we get to the second movement.

54:39Now that the second movement of right of spring is maybe the most important movement in all of 20th century classical music. The idea that you take what was music and organize it as blocks of sound. It's a precursor to John Cage, precursor to Electronica, points the way for how classical music and later rock and roll might be integrated. Noise music comes from that. And Stravinsky had all that Russian music in his background and he came up with something that topped it. It was an original. Was this before George Gershwin as well? I hear the Gershwin in this. Absolutely. You hear a lot of music coming from it.

55:17Bernhard Hermann influenced by this. So just everything is coming from right of spring. A bit Patruska. And in particular that second movement is most obvious. You just hit someone with something so radical and sound that it falls them over. And if you hear that movement live, it's just phenomenal. And to see that performed with the ballet where people are basically performing ritual sacrifice, the whole visuals, the whole everything together, unbelievable. One of the best musical experiences of my life was to see that live. Fantastic. Where did you see it? The Kennedy Center in Washington DC.

55:59It was a good performance. The notion that terrible things were going to happen in Europe. You'll also hear in that music. And people just couldn't go back to making music the old way after they heard that. So they heard that. They heard Scherneberg and they heard Verez. Let me play you a little bit of Verez. Verez is coming from Stravinsky. And most people don't like it. But it's very percussive. And you can just see where Stalkhouse and Cage, many other things and classical music will be coming from. Here's a short bit from Emoryk. And then we'll do a short bit from ionization. But you can see where 20th century music is headed.

56:41And Verez would be from the 1920s.

57:19Very closely related.

57:33Then Verez thought, well, why even bother with melody at all? That's just organized the sound. Percussively, here's ionization.

58:28Is this at the time when the visual arts were getting abstract as well? Absolutely. And most people today don't like to listen to that. But Paul McCartney was a big fan of all the music in that direction, including Verez. And the idea that rock and roll would incorporate sound effects that were sound. And then John Cage, music is only sound, Brian E. Now. Coming through Verez, which came from Stravinsky, which is coming from their earlier Russian works, but with Stravinsky's own innovations. Can we listen to a late Stravinsky piece you like just to hear his arc? Sure. Let's listen to something from Stravinsky's neoclassical period.

59:08So Stravinsky and his memoir My Life, which is a fun book. He said, well, when I did write a spring, everyone hated it at first, but it actually fit the time. And within a month or two, people came around and they accepted it, and then they loved it. He actually made this career when he lived in the US. He'd go around and he wouldn't conduct his famous ballets. And that's what they paid him for, not actually for composing. But he so rebelled against himself. And there was a famous trip he had through Italy. In fact, he and Picasso were traveling together in a two -bed, there were no podcasts back then.

59:41Those must have been phenomenal conversations. And they heard some music, and Stravinsky did, starting in the 20s, what is called his neoclassical turn. He got fed up with his earlier directions, or he felt he had done everything with them that he could. And he said, my audience is always hated the neoclassical turn, even though it was quite melodic, and more of his sounded entirely normal. Let's see if we can find a piece from Puccinella. This was very stripped down music. So here's a one -minute segment called Tyrantella. You'll still hear some of the rhythmic propulsion and short sharp phrases of earlier Stravinsky, but it's turned into something quite different.

1:00:26And what year would this have been? Puccinella, he revised a few times. The first draft, I think, is 1920. The seminal draft, I think, is 1926, which one we're hearing now, I would guess 26, but it's the 20s. So 10 years later. Right.

1:01:10Was Tyrantella a dance? Yes. It didn't involve spinning. It involved spinning. In the beginning, fluency, or his Mozart, of course, in the 18th century.

1:01:51The fun piece, yes? Yeah. Just melodic, energetic. So do you think he was looking backwards and finding a new way to interpret what he liked about old music? That is what I think, but you still hear this Stravinsky, and it don't you? Yes. And I'll play you the opening bit of Puccinella, which he took from an early 18th century theme by Perger Lacey. And Perger Lacey was a great composer of his time. He died, I think, at age 26. Let's see.

1:02:52It feels more like whimsy. Absolutely. Is he mocking us? Is it satire? Is it synthesis? All of the above?

1:03:03Or maybe he just came around to realize that it was really fun.

1:03:14The rhythmic jolts are still in there, though.

1:03:34So I guess I interpret him as somehow in his head trying to bring all of music together. I need to skip on trying, trying, trying. And that meant every piece shifted and was quite different. And I've played just a few pieces for you, but you see, like, not a lot more like the other. His very last piece, I think he was actually conducting this in Venice. I think he died in Venice. He's buried in Venice. And this, in his whole life, he had this rivalry with Arnold Scherneberg, who was the other great innovator, a tonal music, a 12 -tone music, which for most of his life, Stravinsky, he either hated it or he claimed to hate it.

1:04:09But when he got to the very end of his life, it was where he turned. I'll play you a very short bit of this, Requiem Canticles. So Stravinsky is born in 1882, dying in 1971. And let's just do a short bit from Requiem Canticles. This is... How late was it written this piece? Would you guess? 1960s? Yeah. So he's active, he lives, you know, to be basically 90. And he's active his whole life. So the complete Stravinsky is about 23 or so compact discs. There's a box you can buy. It's conducted by Stravinsky himself. But this will sound really different. And you've listened to the entire, all of the Stravinsky by Stravinsky.

1:04:57And listen to it sequentially in order, which is a fascinating thing to do. And how many hours of music is it? 23 discs, 70 minutes on average of discs. Good ads on, right? So almost 30 hours. Here's Requiem Canticles.

1:06:01iosa That was quite good. Yeah, I like that piece very much, but again, not for everyone, but he was always experimenting and just to close before I need to get off to the airport to see Stravinsky's own influence on Russian music even through the age of Stalin. Let's hear a little bit of Shostakovich. Let's try the second movement of the String quartet number eight. And when would this have been from? About 1940. So Shostakovich called this the dread, and it'll maybe a little later, but during the war, he called it the Dresden quartet, and it was a kind of memorion to the suffering of victims of the war.

1:08:16Even the Tchaikovsky, am I right? Right?

1:09:51How do you describe the Russian music versus the European music of the era? I'd describe the differences. The rest of the European music is so much more urban oriented. So you have Bach going around to different cities, Monteverdi, being in Manchua, and it's court music of a kind, or church music, or urban, and the Russian music, it's earthy, it's drawing from the folk traditions, folk songs. I'll let's see if we can close with one Stravinsky song. I don't know if it's in your system, but it's called Kili -Bam. It's one of my favorite short Stravinsky pieces. There's a few versions of this. Here's a one -minute version.

1:11:24I'll let you know if it's in your system, folk songs. That's what Russian music has. A lot of other music stuff. And do you think it has to do with the conditions that lead to the writing of the music? I think so. Surrounded by all that folk music, late urbanization, there is a church music, but it's more purely liturgical. And something like Bach's Brandenburg Concertity, which is composed a long time ago, nothing like that is being done in Russia. So you have these primitiveist influences. You then have romanticism, nationalism, and a lot of weirdness and Russian culture. Very tolerant of weird, I would say, in a good way.

1:12:07So people like Skryabin and Stravinsky could do their thing, and then it's just all blossomed. Great. Thank you so much. My pleasure.

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Tyler Cowen has long nurtured an obsession with music. It’s one of the few addictions Tyler believes is actually conducive to a fulfilling intellectual life.
In this bonus episode, a year after Tyler walked us through the world of the Avant-Garde, and his favorite pop music, Tyler guides us through some of the major pillars of Russian classical music—from Rimsky-Korsakov to Stravinsky.

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