Daron Malakian - ON METAL (Part 2)

22:38I used to fall asleep to bands like this. I did, I found it relaxing because it's constant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a vacuum cleaner. Yeah, yeah.

22:57Napalm Dead Carcass, they get credited as being one of the few first of the grindcore scene.

23:16Here's a band I love called Brutal Truth.

23:51That blast beat. Like, almost not a human.

24:12Who was the first Cookie Monster vocalist? It evolves into that.

24:37So the grindcore thing, you know, there's a few bands. like here's another band from the u.s called repulsion that once again this was all still very underground stuff but these guys were kind of you know doing something that other people weren't really necessarily doing

25:12You can kill your head, I'm the one here Don't worry now, no one on your brain Survival your brains

25:24By the lonely bitch, walking in a park Fire on your throat, telephonic fire With blood touch, see if you're in a ship In the fucking car, blood's not in the air

25:38Vocals are not heavy metal vocals anymore either When we start getting into extreme metal, it starts becoming closer to discharge. Closer to discharge and becomes more of, you're not singing anymore.

26:00Sometimes punk phrasing.

26:06Yeah, no melody, it's all monotone.

26:19So yeah, that was repulsion. Then, you know, we can start getting into as the late 80s come around, death metal. A lot of the classic death metal bands came out of Tampa, Florida. Really? Yeah. That's interesting. I wonder why that is. The band Death, Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Morbid Angel. All these bands came from Tampa, Florida. Wow. I wonder what was happening in Tampa at that time. But there is a band before we get to those bands that some people say were death metal before death metal. And they even had a song called Death Metal. Cool. Which some people say named the genre. But their really great song is a song called The Exorcist, the band called Possessed, which is from the Bay Area.

27:54These guys were doing this really early on, like early 80s.

28:15Early 80s. They formed early, but this album probably came out around 85.

28:49and they were called what again possessed possessed the first album they call was called seven churches and yeah they're from the bay area but you know it's debatable but some people will credit them as being one of the first death metal bands and what's your favorite of the tampa bands I love them all. I love them all. They all do something a little bit different, but we got to start with Death. Death is a really, really important band, really important heavy metal band. Some people think that the genre was named after the Possessed song and some people think Death Metal is named after the band Death.

29:27The main guy in Death is a guy named Chuck Shoulder. The band changes, but he's the same. He's the main guy. But the style of Death goes from your traditional Death influenced by thrash with Death vocals, but as Death goes on, they become very technical and a different version of the same band, but it becomes more proggy you could say but they start with you know just

30:07this is a song called evil dead and it's off the first death album

30:34Oh, my God.

30:56I'll deny your secret Cause death is a crime Evil Death Evil Death Voice speaks out All of life is not Dead and dead Build your mind and overcome Evil

31:28So this is late 80s and this is the beginning of you could say death metal.

31:44How would you describe it as different than thrash? The vocals, yup. The growly vocals. Morbid Angel death metal.

32:01It's called Immortal Rites.

32:31I'll see you next time.

32:50And the lyrics are all very satanic with Morbid Angel on these first few records.

33:18That's your spell, but I like that's in loyalty Give some immortality, it's down on those who say it in you

33:51We'll be right back.

34:46For all the bands that were into thrash and into Slayer and then this stuff started coming out

34:55This gained a lot of popularity I'd say in the heavy metal community in the late 80s early 90s like Once you started listening to this you've got used to the vocals and you were just like I just want to hear This is this took heavy to another level

35:42From the grindcore stuff that now these guys are using glass beads. Like some of this is happening around the same time, but it's also evolving around the same time. Another Tampa band, Deicide. Morbid Angel and Deicide, their lyrical themes were more like Satanic. The singer of Deicide, I think, had like burned an upside down cross on his forehead. Like it's scarred there. once again we're going into satanic kayfabe and and you know some of these dudes you're like oh these lyrics are more intense and they look more intense yeah and i mean we really get into satanic kayfabe once we get into the black metal stuff they're living the gimmick as they say in wrestling yes the black metal really is taking it to another level but here's a little taste of the aside

37:10We'll be right back. Satanized, crucified, fear of the suicide In your sphere, utter fear, angels of this disarmament Covenant, be acclimated, open up my holiness Father, Satan, living up my holiness Suicide sacrifice, destruction of holiness Be out of my holiness, being a sacrifice

38:04Why? To hell And my life Wrath of God Take dust in my soul Blast with fire Throw the skull Take dust I must die In my way Every day Take dust to a fire And my life I must die Take dust Yeah, you got that. They sound more influenced a little bit by Metallica than the others. Really? Yeah. The one before they sounded more Slayer influenced. Well, these guys just took all that stuff and made it more intense. And even the satanic part of Slayer, they took that and made it more intense. The lyrics were even more extreme Satan. Yeah. With these two bands, at least. But then you have a band like Obituary, once again from Tampa, Florida.

39:17Wow.

39:33This is obituary, chopped in half.

40:01I feel the blood spilled from you The rocky waves come destiny I feel the soul is hanging on it Breathe

40:16Ovituary didn't use too many blast beats They were more I don't know how to explain it Not necessarily focused on going fast But a little kind of sludgy

40:33And then you have Cannibal Corpse with their hit song called I Come Blood.

41:01You see how these bands all sound different from each other. Yes, they really do.

41:33I had never heard vocals like this before I heard Cannibal Corp. There's a good reason for that. Ha ha ha!

41:57Sepultura started a certain way, and as they went along, they changed too. They always kind of push the Sepultura sound.

42:13Is this early? This is early Sepultura. Not the earliest, but like two or three albums in.

42:51I walk on these third streets With hate in my mind Feeling the scorn of the world I walk for the rules Blame and lies

43:28They definitely sound different than the others. Sepultura is somewhere between thrash. At this era of Sepultura, even the fans were like, is this death metal? Is it thrash? Because the vocals are kind of have the growly death thing, but the music kind of has the thrash vibe to it. And like I said, as they went along, their sound kind of changed into a more groovy thing. Oh, that's interesting.

44:10Here's another band out of Brazil that was kind of, you could say, more influential in the black metal scene. It was a band called Sarcófago. This is I-N-R-I.

44:49To be continued...

45:08So you hear the grindcore kind of thing, but there's more metal here than in grindcore.

45:20And these guys are coming out of Brazil. You know, Sepultura and them. So to be discovered out of Brazil.

45:34Have you seen any of these bands live? Sepultura I have. How are they? They're great. I saw them open up for Ozzy way back in the day in Costa Mesa.

46:06You know, this is late 80s.

46:23it's worth playing a song from later death the band death so people can see what they evolved what they evolved into this is a song called nothing is everything

47:03We'll be right back. Living like us Sharing our day In another world Steering far away A different existence Yet visually the same Oppression and sadness In a lasting way

47:31Look deep into their eyes Technical drumming. The musicianship is at like a really high level.

47:52A lot of changes.

48:05The dream of the Lord Where nothing Is everything And everything Is nothing Steering Beyond The wall a thousand times over

48:40Like fast prog rock. Yep. Well, it becomes very proggy. Being a part of them that is real. I mean, listen to what the drums are doing.

49:06Yngwie, you could say that in some way, yeah.

49:14Death is his own thing, man. Like, he passed away, this singer.

49:25But their albums are really considered classic, classic albums. to the point where there is members of the band that tour till this day.

49:46They play these songs, obviously the singer's not there. Yeah. At the beginning of the song was the first time I heard a connection between the death metal vocal style, which sounded so original in everything we've been listening to, going back to Lemmy. Because it sounds a little bit like it could be Motorhead at the beginning. Well, that Lemmy vocal style, you know how you asked, how do we get to Cookie Monster? Yeah. That was kind of, you could say, the beginning of just that growly kind of throat kind of vocal comes from Lemmy to some degree. But I feel like Lemmy just naturally sings like that.

50:26Mostly those guys sound like they're putting on a voice to sound like that. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

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52:09So we've covered death metal and now my favorite of all the genres. Yes. Black metal. from Norway. And when is this compared to the others? Time on the timeline. Early 90s. Early 90s. But we're going to have to bring up a couple of bands that sparked this. There's the first wave of black metal, which we talked about Venom. Yeah. And they had an album called Black Metal. Then we got to talk about a couple bands. One of them is called Hellhammer, which have you ever heard of a band called Celtic Frost? Yes. So Hellhammer was Celtic Frost before they were called Celtic Frost. So this is Hellhammer, the third of the storms.

53:05And this, you could say, is very, very influential to black metal.

53:14Early 80s. So it's like a precursor. Yes.

53:24You could even say the death metal bands were influenced by this.

54:13The aggression that they're throwing down and the vocal style that they're doing and the The darkness of the rim really, really wasn't being done at this time.

55:04And we got I'll Play You Some Celtic Frost.

55:13It's a song called Nocturnal Beer. How much later is this than what we just heard? About a year, a year or two. So close. Yeah, very close.

55:41But this is also you could say a precursor like to the vocal style of death metal and The throat vocal.

56:21This is I'd say around 1984, 85.

56:31This is closer to rock. Here.

56:40Well remember this is closer in time to Motorhead and Venom than it is to later on Death Metal and all that stuff. So you still hear the Motorhead and the Venom in this.

57:04Vibrations at the black-eyed edge As the turtle fear penetrates the land The shadow comes, the race, and it's the night Seven, the charm, the colors

57:33We're right from the east The dark water moves In the shore of the clouds Dead or dump his beers Say ya That's Celtic Frost, Hellhammer Celtic Frost First wave of black metal These bands are considered that And another band that is part of the first wave of black metal Is a band called Bathory

58:07Where are they from? I think Bathory is from Sweden. And this is Bathory. Once again, early 80s.

58:25Called In Conspiracy with Satan.

58:38Listen to the vocals though, this is once again ahead of its time.

59:05It's a piercing stage

59:19I'm in the flesh, I'm in the spirit of the night I'm in the flesh, I'm in the flesh What's the eternal fate?

59:29I'm just a monster, I'm just a monster

59:41So you hear how the production is and everything? Yeah. So when we get to the second wave of black metal, we're talking early 90s. We've gone through thrash. Thrash, we've gone through Grindcore, we've gone through Death Metal. So these bands from Norway kind of found that the death metal even though you know it's intense music and all that but as time is going to it's getting too polished. it's getting to for who? for people who are into extreme music I guess and then they start kind of rebelling against what metal has become and start thinking what metal should be is what bands like Venom put down what this band we just heard Bathory or Celtic Frost this is what metal should be, it shouldn't be singing about helping the environment and it should be about darkness it should be about satanism it should be ugly so there was this guy named uranus from a band called mayhem and he had this record store and that's where people used to gather and that's kind of where the early black metal scene in norway kind of started was you know people gathering at this record store where, you know, he was this very extreme metal kind of guy.

1:01:23And Mayhem had this singer. His name was Dead. So they had recorded, I guess, some early stuff with this guy. This guy, you know, is a troubled kind of person. So he ends up shooting himself, kills himself. This guy, Euronymous, comes in and finds that his singer has killed himself. takes pictures of it like with the blood scattered all over the walls skull fragments on the floor and uses it as like a cover for the album uh huh so these kinds of crazy fucking stories start coming out of Norway so this guy Euronymous is also himself eventually murdered by a guy from a band called Berzum, whose name is Var Vickerness.

1:02:23So you have these stories coming out of Norway about this scene... Where the bands are killing each other. And burning churches. They're taking the satanic kayfabe to a whole... Yeah, they're really living the game. They're really living this shit. just taking the shock and the extreme of it to another level. And also their recordings were purposely like done lo-fi. Like, well, here's a song from a band called Dark Throne. Now, not all these bands were burning churches. They were in the scene and there was people in the scene that were doing that. I mean, I have a friend from one of these bands.

1:03:08He wasn't burning churches, but the scene that they were around, this kind of stuff was going on. So there's a few really respected bands that were from the early part of this scene that, you know, they carry weight in the metal world. And this is early 90s in Norway. Yeah, early 90s Norway. There's a song called Transylvanian Hunger by Dark Throne.

1:03:49One thing you'll notice is that the music is kind of beautiful. Yeah. It sounds like industrial music, but it's melodic.

1:04:20It's atmospheric.

1:04:32It puts you in a trance. In a dark trance.

1:04:41It sounds like we're listening to it through a wall. You know, like it's leaking through the sound coming from somewhere else. There's probably one mic in the room.

1:05:00Embrace me, hurry the hate lincoln by You'll be grading by the sand of your propio palace Full carry hallelujahs with this warm fly So pure So God

1:05:22That's the oil antibacterial

1:05:30The lo-fi aspect is really interesting. It makes you really have to listen to it. Yeah. To figure it out, to see what's going on.

1:05:59There's this I don't give a shit what you think about it kind of vibe about it.

1:06:19Vocals sound more like storytelling.

1:06:30And the music is always dark. Does it always not change? Like this has like no rhythm changes there. Well, just like the Tampa Death Metal, you hear each band does it their own way. I see.

1:06:56And it doesn't mean every Dark Tone song sounds just like this, because Dark Tone has different vibes to them too, but this is one of their more really classic Black Mouth songs. And then you have Mayhem, which... this album is called The Mysterious Dom Satanás, and And this is the guy who ran the record store. Who ran the record store. Took the pictures of the singer who died. Dead singer. Used it as an album cover. And gets murdered. And then he gets murdered by the guy in a band called Burzum. But on this track, the guy on Burzum is playing. This album doesn't come out until after this murder is happening.

1:07:49So this is a song called Funeral Fog.

1:08:08You hear the mood of it. Yeah. Like from the first song to this song, there is a mood that black metal sets. It's kind of a dark, atmospheric, melodic.

1:08:27To me, it feels like the speed is incidental. Yes, they're playing fast, but it's not really about the speed. It's like it creates this atmosphere. Atmosphere.

1:09:00So this album came out after the guitar player was murdered and the guy who murdered him is in jail now.

1:09:11But the scene is moving forward without them. There's other bands that are forming. There's other bands that are, you know, people are talking about.

1:09:38I'm a second right here. I'm a friend of two towns. They want to hide the fear. In the middle of Tazawania. A major right there's no longer gone. It's been and so beautiful. I know I'm so gone. And this day I will be gone.

1:10:05How much would you say you listen to this music? A lot. Especially when I first discovered it. Yeah. And would you listen to like an album over and over again? Yes. Or bands over and over again. It's all I listened to when I first discovered it.

1:10:30As it comes from afar Or again, to the sun growing

1:10:40There's something really beautiful about it

1:10:49The melodies of the guitars

1:10:55It brings pictures in your mind and it also matches where they come from.

1:11:07None of the parts are important, it's the whole. Yes.

1:11:35How old were you when you were listening to this a lot? In my 20s.

1:11:55Here I'll play you a song from Burzum, the guy who murdered the guitar player from this band, who's actually playing the bass on this track.

1:12:20You see how they're different? Right away.

1:12:26This song called Lost Wisdom.

1:12:53It's not as lo-fi and it has more dynamics.

1:13:11How do you feel about those vocals?

1:13:17He means it more than King Diamond.

1:13:56I'm the place right beyond the lead I've never seen such common road

1:14:13What's wild about this music is that after hearing mayhem, this kind of sounds like pop music in comparison. Once again, this is one track from Birds of a... When you start listening to it...

1:14:34The subtleties of it become really important. Yes. The subtle differences. Yes.

1:14:43They belong together, but they're different. Yes. They're related.

1:14:58And then there is a band again out of Norway called Immortal. It's a song called The Sun No Longer Rises.

1:15:34I mean, listen to the melodicness, though, of it. I hear it. It's more orchestral. Yes.

1:15:47It's really beautiful

1:16:29The mystery is running in the TV trap Swarm the endless birds alone The earth is facing and the dwarves become swollen River descending in a place of the moon

1:17:10It's really cool.

1:17:17Black is burning through his blood And the eyes of the ones To the turn of woods, they'll wait for me That opens clearly

1:17:49Suns are the rises Oh, I'm going to forget about these Suns are the rises Where I walk, where I come

1:18:10I believe Enjoy the peace! I believe in this creation!

1:18:28So fucking intense.

1:19:03that's easy. I'll give it five,

1:19:14Like they come from cold countries and you feel the coldness.

1:19:23It's truly original new music. And I probably feel like you felt maybe when you first heard Slayer where I can't say I like it, but I can see I'm going to want to come back and listen to it more because. Try it again. Not even try it again. I feel like it holds secrets. I can get glimpses of it, but it's not available on the face. Yeah. It sounds like the music is hidden inside that. Yeah, because of the production. Yeah. You know? Very cool.

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1:21:29one more band from this genre is a band called satiricon this song's called mother north

1:22:06Mother dork Hold me clean while her beds are burning Mother dork ATA

1:22:22MEDIES

1:22:31MEMORIES BE intentional R U E A L S

1:22:46Bitches that tried them broken

1:22:54Come on

1:23:35and people always will ask me, what's the difference between death metal and black metal? Do you hear it? Completely different. Completely different. Completely different.

1:23:47This sounds like church music to me. Avant-garde church music. To some extent, it is kind of religious music, but the religion is Satanism. I don't know if that's true, though. Like, I understand that's the kayfabe, but I don't hear that. I hear, like, classical, devotional church music in this.

1:24:16It's very serious. Yeah. It stays very serious. It doesn't leave... You know, it's like Ozzy was the Prince of Darkness. Yeah. And Black Sabbath was the original satanic band. And then before the show, he would get on his knees and pray to Jesus. Yeah. So it's like, it's almost like to accept the conceit of Satan, you have to be a believer to start, you know?

1:24:58Sounds very orchestral. It's amazing. Is it only guitars or is there keyboards? There's keyboards in the back of it.

1:25:09It sounds uplifting. The singer of this band is a very, very close friend of mine. It's amazing. It's amazing. And let me tell you, these guys, they're really smart guys. Guys who play death metal, black metal, when you meet them, they're really smart. It's intellectual. You can hear it. Yes. It's very intellectual, and they are very intellectual people. They are not messing around. Yeah.

1:25:59So, yeah, that's the black metal.

1:26:15When I listen to metal these days, it's usually black metal. I still, I really love the genre.

1:26:26And then the theatrics, like the way these bands look, they have like face paint. They have like, it's very kind of inspired by KISS, you could say, but the demon.

1:26:48It's just different versions of, they call it corpse paint.

1:26:55It comes from Kiss, it comes from King Diamond, early Celtic Frost used to do it. The face paint? Yeah, like they would have black under their eyes, but their face would be white.

1:27:21As a guy growing up with the heavy metal, with the thrash music, with the death metal music, by the time we get into the 90s, yes, there is that black metal coming out of Norway, but then there's also bands that are mixing groove with metal. What do you call the genre? I mean, some people would call it groove metal at first, but groove metal evolved into, you could say, you know, goes into industrial metal, goes into new metal. I see. You wouldn't call Pantera a new metal band, but pantera was doing a groovy version of heavy metal in the early 90s like a song like this called a new level

1:28:54There's a different bounce about it. Closer to system Well I was very inspired by bands like this

1:29:24Fans have already done the fat stuff. Fans have already done the thrash stuff, the extreme death metal, the growling.

1:29:37When I get to the point where I'm doing what I'm doing, what can I do that's new? You know, I don't want to, I love all these bands. Yeah, but you don't want to repeat it. But I don't want to copy it. Of course. So you start, you know, in a band like Pantera, you start hearing funky kind of groovy, bouncy type of beats.

1:30:04And these riffs sound like they could also be on a Soundgarden record, you know? Yeah, well they were coming out around the same time. The drumming's more metal here, Soundgarden it's different, more rock. But the guitar is not so radically different.

1:30:27So you have this, which Pantera is Pantera. I don't know what genre do you put their metal, their groove metal, but at the end of the day, they're Pantera. They do what Pantera does. A lot of bands were inspired by what they do, but some bands, you kind of can't put them exactly in that one genre.

1:30:54And then you got, you know, you start going into industrial.

1:31:07Industrial started as, you could say, industrial, but then bands like Ministry started putting guitars to drum machine.

1:31:41I don't know.

1:32:00It's in the conversation for sure of metal. But the way it moves is groovy. Get up! Get on your face!

1:32:22Let us know, let's make a fight! Let us run! We are fighting for the liberal racial band! That's the racial need to speak! The racial society!

1:32:43So they're one of the first bands to bring in that industrial vibe but gives the heavy metal or funk rock flavor to it, you know? The aggression.

1:33:08Sounds of samples of drills.

1:33:20It's like heavy metal for people who grew up on electronic and dance music. Yeah.

1:33:39We're going to rip this motherfucker off. We're going to tear this motherfucker down.

1:33:49Very interesting.

1:34:02Get up!

1:34:11These are bands now experimenting, bringing different things into heavy metal. bringing heavy metal into different things.

1:34:31Mixing genres, mixing influences, fusion of different things. It's not like black metal, but it's as new as black metal. Yes. Just in a different direction. At the time, yes.

1:34:53So Skinny Puppy you wouldn't consider a metal band, but a song like this.

1:35:08It's called Fascist Jock Itch.

1:35:32I'll see you next time.

1:35:55Both of these bands in their earlier years didn't really have guitars, but these are kind of later records that they started bringing in guitars and bringing in the heavy metal punk hardcore energy mixed with the industrial.

1:36:23Fornicator, fornicator The greatest bitch

1:36:31In a drink of spitting west With your own feeling Burning, turning, burning fist In a face, in a face, in a face In a face, in a face, in a face

1:36:52You can't mention these bands without mentioning Killing Joke. You know Killing Joke? Yeah, English band. Yeah, English band. You could say that what Black Metal Venom Motorhead is to that genre, Killing Joke would probably be to this genre of metal, even though Killing Joke was not a metal band. But a song like this.

1:37:26The Weight. Metallica covered this.

1:37:32But this was in the early 80s.

1:38:05It's not metal. No, they were considered like a post-punk. Post-punk, but are new waves. But you hear the guitars mixed with the very electronic kind of drums. Very close to industrial music. Yes.

1:38:27And then, you know, you got to mention Nine Inch Nails in this conversation with industrial song called Wish.

1:38:45So all this shit came out before what I guess people would call Nu Metal.

1:38:57It's pretty aggressive.

1:39:35This song started seeing commercial success.

1:39:42Oh no!

1:39:46Once grunge came around, and a lot of those speed metal thrash bands were not putting out their best stuff in the early 90s, mid 90s. We had already heard it, it had already been done, and they were not kind of putting out their best records, in my opinion. And even the death metal bands after a while were kind of like, by the mid 90s it was kind of like, it's just, okay, what else? And then you see bands like this that were coming out.

1:40:23I think there was bands like Us, but the first time, this is where I'm gonna start getting into Nu Metal. The first time I heard Korn, I was like, this is something that's heavy, but it's heavy in a way that's not done the way that I've listened to heavy all these years.

1:40:50You felt a heaviness from the groove more than you did from the speed. Because we'd already been through all the speed and all the fucking fastness and all the blast beats and all that. So for a generation that kind of lived through that, grew up with that, then you hear...

1:41:19Just bringing it with a fucking heavy, heavy bounce.

1:41:33And this was pretty much where I guess you could say Nu Metal started.

1:41:57There was something fresh about it. Tell me you want such a black man. It's unlike anything that came before it. No, it was its own thing. Down tuned guitars. Yeah. It's not going fast, but it's.

1:42:21It hits you in the chest, you know? It's just got a groove to it.

1:42:30And it's related to industrial too. Well, that's why I played industrial first. It's post-industrial. Yeah. It's a fusion of a lot of different things. There's hip-hop involved. Yeah.

1:42:53These build-ups This is kind of raging Well Rage Kind of had An influence on those new metal bands because of the hip-hop or buildups like this. So it was all kind of happening at the same time. The way you can kind of compare how the Black Sabbath sound was happening from the late psychedelic stuff from the late 60s, it was something that was kind of happening that kind of trickled into, one thing trickled into the other into the other and like you know in each case it's like someone has an idea of a new variation on something that's kind of around yeah and builds on it yeah i felt that way because i know trent was really influenced by ministry yeah trent had a different thing about him like i didn't like industrial music but his songwriting was so good that it transcended industrial.

1:44:16And then I grew to like the music. There was more songwriting, I think, involved with Nine Inch Nails, and you would say it's more commercial than ministry. Yeah. Especially stuff that came later on. Deftones is another band from the new metal scene. This one's called Seven Words.

1:45:01I'll never be the same Taking decency Don't be intrigued, jumped off all my living roots I've been humming too many words Got a weak self-esteem That's post-stop the way from every single dream But it's something else, that brought us hearts Keeps it all inside until we feel we can virt But I think that you made it up I think that your mind is gone I think it should go alors Now you sick This skeleton my heart Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck me, bitch! Are you alone? It's flat alone to the edge of the... We had metal, and in the 80s, metal was actually played on MTV and kind of had commercial success, especially with the hair metal bands and the glam bands and all that.

1:46:07Aside from Metallica, Slayer never became a huge commercial success.

1:46:30so heavy metal had its thing in the 80s and then in the 90s grunge came and wiped out all of that Yeah. And yeah, you had death metal, you had black metal, but these were not commercial kind of genres. New metal came out, which we never called it new metal, but these bands came out and Korn, Deftones, Us, Slipknot started getting popular. We were playing the Ozfest to the point where we headlined the Ozfest at one point. I feel like, you know, new metal gets a bad rap because it became a cookie cutter thing where every label wanted their new metal band at some point. And it's just because it got so popular.

1:47:17Yeah, it got really popular. But the bands that I'm playing right now, and I'll, I guess, include our own band in that thing. We were all doing something original and mixing things with metal that weren't being done before. So when people talk shit about nu metal and it got all really popular and all this stuff, it got popular, one, because it was good at first. At first it was. And then it became every band wanted to try to sound like Korn. Every band wanted to try to sound like the Deftones or Slipknot. I felt like System came up in the wave of nu metal, but it sounded nothing like any of the other new metal bands from the beginning i was trying to mix things with metal that even all these like it wasn't like why does it just got to be like industrial why can't i mix the beach boys and the beatles and all this stuff and the armenian music and arabic music and all everything i know why can't i mix anything with rock or metal i if it feels right and it feels like they belong together and in my head like it's all the stuff that was natural to me to love and it came out of me in a natural way to where I wrote song like a song like Atwa that has very like Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel then comes in with this heavy fucking thing and then goes back into Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel and then another thing that we did that I don't think you heard from any of these bands that I just played for you today were vocal harmonies.

1:49:02Nobody had vocal harmonies. Not very many that I could think of. No, only System. Yeah, in heavy metal music. Yeah. So us bands that were coming out out of the Sunset Strip in the mid-90s, late 90s, I think we were doing something unique. I always saw System as a very avant-garde, abstract kind of band. It's interesting that people caught on to it. it's hooky i write hooky stuff yeah but it wasn't obvious from the beginning that it was going to catch on certainly not in the way that it has most people didn't get it no i remember you know going to k-rock and playing it for kevin weatherly and him saying we will never play this band on our station no matter what happens we will never play this band yeah and a year later he was playing it every fucking hour on the hour number one on the station one year later but that was the level of resistance because it was so different you know the new metal thing is it's cool that it happened because it helped us be part of something that was kind of moving momentum wise and we were kind of going along with the wave you can call us alternative metal i think that's fair yeah And I'm fine with that more than I am with new metal, but, you know, people want to put us in a genre, and that's what it is.

1:50:30But I think there is things that we do that only we do. For sure. Oh, absolutely. Good and bad. Yeah, I guess so. And we're getting out of the new metal thing. First Slipknot album.

1:51:04Here comes the pain!

1:51:10Groovy, but heavy as fuck. With samples in the back. I mean, just meshing it all together.

1:51:23I can handle anything even if I can't handle you. Retail it. Either way it better be. Don't you fucking pity me. Get up, get up. What the hell am I saying? I don't know about my level. And sure as hell. Take it and I want somebody to step up, step off. Walls, let me fall. Fuck you all. Gonna quit telling me. Slime till I drop the ball. Death metal vibe. I'm sick of a bitch. You're going down. This is a war. Just mixing the death metal, the groove. They're doing a lot of different stuff too, man. Yeah. And they also had the theatrical stage show. They came out after us. We were already moved to the OzFest main stage at that point.

1:52:02But then they came out and they were on the second stage and you can't ignore them. And they just skyrocketed. Like once they got a chance to be seen on that OzFest, I mean, it became what everyone just started talking about, was Slipknot. Because no one had ever seen anything like it before. It was good, though. The music was, like, heavy. It wasn't just their look. It wasn't just the masks. Like, there was something really heavy about this shit.

1:52:58They were definitely part of the evolution of metal. And now you see so many fucking bands wearing masks. Like, that's one thing I don't really understand. Like, right now, lately, like, metal, like, there's so many bands that wear fucking masks. And I'm like, it's kind of like what hair metal used to be, where it's like everyone's doing it now, you know? So two more bands. One of these bands, I remember I was sitting with Joey from Slipknot, God rest his soul. And we were sitting in a hotel and he was like, dude, have you ever heard of the Dillinger Escape Plan? And I was like, no. He's like, you got to listen to this band.

1:53:42So we went through all these genres. and now the last two bands I'm going to play are kind of bring a very technical musicianship, prog, math metal is what people start calling it. So here's Dillinger Escape Plan with Sugar Coated Sour.

1:54:14Why? Why?

1:54:20Can I think of Burn it? Why? I'm expecting to burn this Get on, get on, get on, get on Chaos. But the musicianship You got nothing And you are it

1:54:47Jazz

1:55:30Look where we started. And now we're like, to this. Wow.

1:55:43This wouldn't have existed if all the other stuff didn't happen. And also things like Yes didn't exist, you know, this is definitely a descendant of Yes. Yes, yes, there's all kinds of shit going on here.

1:56:07So these are all late 90s

1:56:29So from late 60s psychedelic, new wave British heavy metal, thrash metal, death metal, black metal, industrial metal, new metal, we get into the late 90s. To me, this is one of the heaviest bands ever out of Sweden. It's hard to out heavy Meshuggah.

1:56:59This is new millennium cyanide price.

1:57:26I re-arrange my pathetic issue I insert my reflex, I'm reborn I erratic, can't you please repress me? Elevate me to a higher you mouthful The characters I am Heading to a world complete Then I'll be the new norm Now feels like this than yours But replays of those ethers I only know Every rip is on a different one Wow.

1:58:20It's so groovy that you don't lose it. No. It's not hard to listen to Matt. No, it feels straightforward even though it's complicated that that symbol keeps it straightforward But there's all this shit happening in between that symbol

1:58:43Very groovy yeah head back you can bob your head to easy, but it's that symbol you let you're bobbing your head to

1:58:53Also the rhythm of the vocal in between the guitars is really interesting too.

1:59:47I once asked them, I was like, what does your new album sound like? And they said, seasickness. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

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