David Avocado Wolfe

21 May 2025 · 1 h 58 min

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Podcast Summary: Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin - Episode Featuring David Avocado Wolfe

Episode Overview In this episode, Rick Rubin interviews David "Avocado" Wolfe, a well-known advocate in the alternative health and wellness movement. Wolfe discusses his extensive experience with raw food diets, superfoods, and holistic living, shedding light on his journey, beliefs, and various health practices.

Key Themes and Discussions

David Avocado Wolfe’s Background

  • Experience and Advocacy: Over 30 years of exploring potent foods and natural health practices.
  • Publications: Best-selling author of books like *Superfoods: The Food and Medicine of the Future* and *The Beauty Diet*.
  • Innovations: Co-developer of the NutriBullet; founder of the Fruit Tree Planting Foundation, which aims to plant billions of fruit trees worldwide.

Raw Food and Nutrition

  • Dietary Evolution: Transition from a standard American diet to an emphasis on raw foods after discovering the concept during university studies.
  • Personal Experiences: Wolfe shares his journey of weight loss and health improvements through raw food, detoxing, and fasting.
  • Shift from Veganism: Acknowledgment of deficiencies in long-term vegan diets led to a revised approach incorporating eggs and dairy.

Gardening and Farming Insights

  • Personal Gardening: Discusses his childhood experiences with planting avocados and grafting different types of citrus.
  • Electroculture: Introduces the concept of using copper coils to enhance plant growth by connecting plants to the Earth's energy.
  • Soil Quality: Emphasizes the importance of healthy soil for growing nutrient-dense food, equating soil health with human health.

The Power of Superfoods

  • Mushrooms: Discusses the benefits of medicinal mushrooms and their role in modulating immunity.
  • Olives and Olive Oil: Wolfe shares insights on the longevity benefits of olive oil and the unique process of harvesting olives in the Mediterranean.

Fasting and Detoxification

  • Fasting Practices: Details personal fasting experiences and emphasizes the benefits of water and salt consumption during fasting.
  • Detoxing: Discusses the balance of water and salt for effective detoxification and overall health.

Other Relevant Topics

  • Tobacco: Acknowledges the medicinal properties of tobacco when used properly and the importance of its historical context.
  • Herbal Remedies: References to using various herbs and plants for health benefits, including garlic, onions, and different teas.
  • Karma of Foods: Touches on how food choices can influence one's destiny and overall wellness.

Key Takeaways

  • Holistic Health: Wolfe promotes the integration of diverse food sources, including raw foods and superfoods, and the importance of connection to nature.
  • Personal Responsibility: Emphasizes the importance of individual experimentation in health practices, particularly with diet and fasting.
  • Gardening as Therapy: Advocates for gardening as a way to connect with food sources, promote health, and foster a deeper appreciation for nature.

Final Thoughts David Wolfe's insights encourage listeners to reconsider their approach to nutrition and wellness by embracing whole, unprocessed foods, gardening, and holistic practices. His passion for natural health and sustainability resonates throughout the episode, offering a perspective that blends traditional knowledge with modern health practices.

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1:54It was born in New Jersey and my dad is from New York. My mom's from Tehran, actually. So we used to go to Tehran and my mom's out of the family worked for the Shah. And when the Shah got overthrown, we had to flee the country. Wow. And that kind of sent us inevitably to California because my uncle had moved to California. And we started coming there in like 1977 -78. Do you remember the food in Tehran? Yes. What was that like? Oh, the Persian food is just incredible. I mean, you know, these civilizations, right? Middle East civilizations, African civilizations, the longstanding civilizations, even Mexican civilization.

2:30They've got it worked out. They've figured certain things out. Eggplant dishes, bottom June is what we say in Farsi. It's still my favorite. And I'm absolutely enamored with Persian food. And then, you know, of course, the magic of the Safran. And Athens, actually, this is crazy. So I'm in Athens. I'm doing a workout in the park. This is just in suburb, Filofay. Filofay. It's a good one to look up if you're interested in going to Athens. And I'm in the park and I look down. That's Safran. So I photographed it and then checked it across the internet. It's like Safran growing in the park in Athens.

3:04You know, like you pick the pistols out of the flower and you make rice out of it. And it's basically it's Safro. It's the, it's a psychoactive substance. It's found in Nutmeg. It's found in Sassafras also. What a thing. What a thing. Just the way the Persians revered that and how it fits into their culture. And it's actually, you know, the Safro compound, which is, you know, it's a carcinogen, but it can be tweaked into things that are heart -opening. Let's just say that because it's NBA. India as well. India as well. Yeah. And the Persians and the Indians have such an incredible long history together.

3:37And some of the Pakistanis. So, you know, if you look at Iran, it borders all these countries. You know, Iran's kind of been cursed for the last 2000 years. You know, this goes back to the Ferduci, which is the Iliad or the Odyssey of the country. You know, it's their great epic poem that describes their history. They've been cursed with poor leadership. And that's what we're dealing with today. And we will deal with that until the curse is lifted. And that's kind of what we pray for. Do we know how the curse was put on? It is in the Ferduci as far as I remember. It was something like a 2000 year curse.

4:10It's like we're coming to the end of it. We're coming to the end of a lot of things. And the beginning of a lot of things. Yeah. When did you move from the East Coast to the West Coast? In 1980. So in late 70, 77, 78, 79, even 1980, that summer we came to California to see with my uncle. My uncle's right on the border, actually. How old are you about? I was about 7, 8, 9, 10. Okay, it was all kid. Yeah, it was a kid. And that's when I started growing avocados. In 1978, I planted my first avocado. And that's where I got the name. Yeah. And I've been a, just a lover of avocados ever since. And back then, it was kind of a thing that was like, it was like a delicacy.

4:43Yeah. You know what I mean? So we got one slice of avocado with dinner. You know, that's was my first impressions of avocado. And over the years, just the way it has evolved to become a worldwide food is epic. It's epic. It just touches my heart because I'm so deeply connected to citrus and avocados from growing them, you know, as a kid. And and grafting, you know, we did, I think we, you know, we graft bacon avocados. We grafted zutano avocados. We grafted haas avocados. We grafted all the grape varieties, we reed avocados and all the great citrus too. You know, when we were a kid, we had one tree that we grafted together.

5:17It had five different citrus on it. And I still have that love, you know, like we have it at my house. Over here, we have four different kick -hows on one tree. Amazing. Just from those experiences as a kid. And that's the gift I love giving to kids, by the way. It's a very magical thing to see a tree with different kinds of fruit growing on it. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's it's fascinating. And it's also, it's, just love the nature of how the tree gains a personality over time. You know, it's because we've, I've been here almost 20 years. I've been here 19 years. And some of these trees have personality now.

5:50Yeah. Let's say you would have graft a lemon into an orange tree. Would the oranges change as well? Or do they really stay separate forever? Okay, so let's see you're grafting onto an orange root stock. The orange that's on there and the orange root stock will stay the same. But the lemon that you graft onto it will never produce proper seeds. The seeds might be viable, but they're always a throwback. In fact, I brought one. This is what you get. You get something crazy like this. Like this is some kind of Jurassic throwback of an original lemon. You're checking out. So it's a lemon, the size of a grapefruit and it's round.

6:29Uh -huh. Like it's grapefruit. If you smell it, you can get that lemon. Yeah. There's a little bit there. Yeah. But that's what happens from grafting. It doesn't breed true to seed. So you get some kind of throwback to the original citrus. And the original citrus is like Jurassic. It's real thorny. It's sometimes very difficult to consume. Right? It's too strong or it's too bitter or it's too sour. And it definitely does revert back to the sour. You never get a sweet one if it reverts back. It always goes back to some kind of primitive lemon or primitive lime or kefir lime or something like that.

7:03Our blood oranges naturally that way or is that something that was grafted and turned into something? Good question. Well, it has to have come from, okay, so what gives it that red color's hasparadine, which is really interesting because that's kind of a red compound that is very strongly purifying a blood. And so this is a thing we can get into, which I am absolutely enamored with, which is this idea that the color pigments in the food tell you what food does. So red food, red pigments, or blood and cardiovascular system. It's just obvious and everything in nature to me to my mind is always obvious.

7:37It can be understood by a five year old. So when I said, when we say blood, it really does affect your blood and purify your blood. It had to have come from an original strain set at some point and someone was breeding true to seed. They weren't grafting. And once they got the one that they like, then they graft that one. That's like how hot it is. It's how all the great varieties that we hear about, let's say like a ponderosa lemon or a grafted variety so you know what you're getting. So if you're someone who's like, okay, I'm going to put my 10 trees in the backyard, you want to know what you're getting.

8:06So you're going to get grafted trees here, like for example, a lot of people like the char well avocado tree doesn't get too crazy. But that's not me anymore. I grew up with that. And now I want to breed like avocados that breed true to seed. And you know, have all the things that you want about the avocado. So for example, you want an avocado that doesn't have a lot of leaves. You want to be able to see the fruit. You want an avocado that's not too big. It doesn't get out of control. You know how it is in the jungle. It gets out of control. I mean, I've got an avocado tree that's size of my house.

8:33And I was going to cut it down. But that night, right before the guy was going to come over and cut it down, I had a dream to don't cut that down. The guy shows up that morning, comes up to stairs and said, bro, I can't cut your tree down, bro. I had a dream could not have cut it down. I said, that's it. It stays. You know, so those kind of things happen. And avocados can get out of control. So I've been breeding for a certain type of avocado, which I'd love to gift you actually. I have to go up there and cut a few down. Because it'll never get too big. It'll never get too bushy. You can see through it when it fruits half the bitch fruit.

9:02And half of its leaves. It has a long preduncle, which is the thing that attaches it to the twigs or the stems or the... What's interesting about this is that you think of an orange as a thing, whereas you can become a connoisseur of oranges. And there may be how many varieties? Let me tell you something. I grew up as a citrus farmer in San Diego, right? And Southern California there. And on the border. All these years later. So I was living in Texas for a period of time. I had to move my business to Texas. I wasn't really happy with what's going on in California. I think a lot of us are in that boat.

9:34And this is the most amazing thing. A friend of mine, he's like, dude, you got these citrus and it's snowed. And usually when you have a frost and a snow in Texas, especially South Texas, it's going to kill the citrus off. And he's like, oh no, this citrus survived perfectly on your farm here. And I was like, what are you talking about? It's like, everything got fried. What are you talking about? I get back there and sure enough in the corner of this farm are 15 what are called citrus trifoliata. This is the most amazing thing, Rick. This is one of those things that it just rocks your world. I couldn't believe that all my life I didn't know about this.

10:06So we know how great lemons are. We know how great lemons are. And it's great to have a fruit with no sugar, right? And that's such a cool thing. There's an orange with no sugar. Wow. And it's good. Wow. Yeah. I'd love to try that. And it's a zone six orange. Like a friend of mine's growing it in front of his house in Pittsburgh. And I'm like, it's like, Jim, is it really growing in front of your house in Pittsburgh? He's like, yes, it makes you through the one on his like, yes, it makes you through the snow. Yes, I'm like, what? Yes. That's wild. It's wild. And the story of how that citrus came to America is nobody knows.

10:39Like, you know, most people say, oh, yes, in time, late 18 early 1800s, it came over on a boat from England. For originally, it comes from China. But there's evidence it's been here since the, you know, the Virginia colony. And it spread wildly out of the Virginia colony to the south and has been growing wildly in the south all the way to Texas. I had no idea. I mean, but it's good. And so I've done many, many fast with that as my, my no sugar, you know, instead of lemon or lime. That's, it's a sugarless orange. How do you describe the taste? What is the sugarless orange taste like? It's so friggin good.

11:13I mean, because I'm an orange guy. Like, for me, I can live on naval oranges. You give me 20 good California naval oranges. I'll eat the peel, I eat everything. The whole darn fruit. It's like that. It has the orange flavor. Is the peel okay to eat? Well, with a lemon, yes, you can eat the outside. With the lime, you can eat the outside. With the trifoli orange, maybe not. But the seeds sure have a very strong, anti -fungal element in them. All citrus does. And so it's good to eat a few citrus. That's why the seeds are bitter. Or bitter. Yeah. And it's good to have that occasionally. Because you know, it's a sweet fruit, typically, you know, when you're eating citrus, you want something as bitter as going to kill off the candida and kill off the, you know, yeast, the things that feed on that sugar.

11:51You know, nature's logic's always correct. Yeah. Right? So tell me about your diet in those days. You're new to avocado. You're turned on to avocado. We eating a standard American diet at that time. Yeah, but my uncle was like, nope, you guys can't have that. No sugar, none of this candy, none of this. And we're out on a ranch. If you're walking to a store, you're walking miles. So we had no choice. Yeah. And that's when I became conscious about food. And that's when I became conscious about. Because we would go back to the East Coast, to New Jersey, New York. And you know, then we'd have you, who's or whatever was happening over there.

12:23And big change. And so I always kind of looked forward to the summers at my uncle's house for that reason. It was like something. And then as you get, you know, 14, 15, 16 years old, it was kind of like, yeah, no candy, no sugar, that kind of thing. And then we got into the raw foods when I was about 22, 23 years old. And that was a... Remember what was the triggering event that started the raw foods? It started when I was in university and started reading books on health. And I read Fit for Life. And there was a... It said the word in that book raw foodist. And I was like, raw foodist. And but that just made sense to me.

13:02Because, you know, you don't see a gorilla cooking something. A horse isn't cooking anything. It's like, it was a real sensible idea. So I thought, I'm looking into that. And step by step, by step, I got deeper into it. Ended up getting a great book. But I've been thinking about lately. I need to re -read it. It's been a while called blatant raw foodist propaganda. It was a great book back from the 90s, you know, a classic. And that got me started into, okay, let me just get into this raw food. And then I went through the full detox, the 40 pounds weight loss, the 60 pound weight loss, and the fasting, and the cleansing.

13:32And really young, I was 23, 24 years old. And by the time I was like 27, 28, I was just at a peak level of health. But then I didn't really understand the things like, you know, cholesterol and things you need from the animal world, right? I was like kind of... Got 12. B12 and B, you know, just the key things that are important for neurological health and, you know, protecting your joints and connective tissue and stuff like that. So as I evolved through those years, eventually I realized, oh yeah, there's a lot of deficiencies with vegan diet, long term. And some people can go longer. And I went long times on long years, you know, 17 years as a vegan, something like that.

14:10And then I gradually got back into being a vegetarian. I'm a vegetarian today. And it's just, it's not about like what's right for everybody. It's just that's what I want to do for me. So what's included in your diet that was not in your diet when you were vegan? Eggs. Oh, I love eggs, yeah. What a cool thing. Just that. We digs every day. Not every day, but mostly. Mostly, yeah. And then I love a really good, like, sheep cheese or a chef. You know, those are epic. And that's something I did not eat for so many years. No cheese, no anything like that. You're on milk or no? No, well, I will now, if it's a quality, let's say it's a buffalo milk.

14:49Yeah. Yeah. And you know what's trippy is that I can eat, like animal foods that are, you know, vegetarian. And I can digest them properly. Fish or no fish? I don't do fish. No, I don't do anything out of all's killing. Did you ever do fish? I was never a fish eater. Nope. I was always so, I want to get into this with you. I thought this was a cool area to get into about you know, everybody asks, what's the right diet? And it's really, I love what Rudolph Steiner said. He said there are as many diets as there are human beings on earth. That's the truth. That's the real truth. And so you have to kind of, you know, use some parameters.

15:22So for example, you know, if you need to build blood, you go to red foods. If you need really a lot of blood, you go to red meat. If you need like something daily, you're going to go to like, beets and beet juice. Or you know, it's just everything's obvious like that. But what's not obvious is this ratio between fat, protein and carbohydrates. Yeah. And most people do well on a high protein, moderate, fat, low carb. That's where most people are at. And I had to play around with that for years to finally realize that what's right for me is high fat, moderate, carb, low protein. Yeah. And it's like, it's closer to keto really.

15:59Yeah, it is. Right. Keto is high fat, no carbohydrate and low protein. Yeah. And I was the guy who, you know, when we go out to dinner with my dad, we'd eat the fat off the ribs, you know, when I was a kid. I didn't like ribs, but I like the fat. Yeah. You know, and I remember those things. So, you know, when it all was said, no, I was like, you know what, I really am an avocado person. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I really love coconuts. And I really love olives and that works for me. And I can eat those things and be good all day. That's how you know. Because people go, then how do you know? It's well, you can be tested.

16:30We can do a slow oxidizer test or fast oxidizer test. And if you are a fast oxidizer, you're going to burn that sugar quick. And you're going to be up and down in one hour. And then you know, you have to have low carb. I'm in between on that. You know, I can do pretty good on carbs, but not too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I can't do good on protein. I can't do it. Like I never was, I've eaten fish 10 times in my life. I'm a big believer. I'm a big Rudolph Steiner guy. I'm a biodynamic farmer. I'm a big believer that we bring the human back to the center. And we know both the human being. And we make the human being better.

17:02And when you're dealing with food, what the food does, it opens up different perspectives. And then the mushrooms are a whole world. And what a cool world that is. I'd love to get into that with you. That's a absolute passion for me. Yeah, let's talk about biodynamics a little bit. Okay. When did you first get into it? Well, I'm a reader. And when I was young and want to make it in the world, get out in the world, one of the things that I picked up on, I started in with Tony Robbins in 1984. And he came to a summer camp that I was at. This would be for personal power before, you know, is all, you know, he's a big celebrity and all that.

17:38And so I had tapes from him that my brother kept going back to that summer camp years after we had went together. And my brother would bring back tapes. And on one of those tapes, Tony was saying, if you want to be a leader, you've got to be a reader. And he said, if there's people around you who are geniuses, they're doing something different than you. You need to find out what they're doing. If you want to get the same results, find out what they're doing and do the same things. Yeah, learning from successful people. Exactly. Yeah. And I thought, okay, that makes sense. So I went and talked to my friend, Kevin, who was my cousin's best friend out there in East San Diego near the border, in my uncle's ranch.

18:10And he went to MIT at age like 15. And so I said, what are you doing? Like, what you must be doing, something different than me. And I found out he was reading three books a day. And I was like, wow, okay. Then I went to my cousin, who was at East like a 200 IQ, went to University of Chicago at age 14, just a whole another level. And I said, what are you doing? And guess what he was doing? He was reading three books a day. And I was like 17 years old, 18 years old. So I said, I'm going to do this. I'm going to just get into reading. So I read every book in my mom's house. I became a voracious reader, read thousands of books.

18:43And then I stumbled into Rudolph Steiner. And Rudolph Steiner stumped me. I couldn't believe what I had come across. I mean, he first of all, he left behind about a million pages of material, which, you know, I throw out the number of million. And we throw out the number of million all the time. All the time. A million of that. A million pages of materials. 50 to 60 pages every single day, Monday through Sunday from age 15 to 65. It's an insane output. It's unimaginable. Yeah, how many 300 books in print? Or text something like that in print. Yeah, a lot of it is he wrote 28 books. Many of them big tomes, like philosophy of freedom is a big, thick tom.

19:19It's like that. It's like two inches thick, which I have a master's basically in philosophy. And it was a political science degree. But it's really a philosophy degree, because that's what we did. And I read Steiner's book on philosophy, that book. And I'm like, this guy has an absolute mastery of the subject matter. And how it would take someone their whole life to be in this position just on this one subject. And he did that when he was in his 20s. And so I, something's going on with this guy. And that's what led me to biodynamic farming. We were done. He created it. He created it. He created it.

19:51Which really what he's really doing. And this is, again, quarter my philosophy. That we actually live in a magical reality. It's always science this. And two plus two equals four. And all this equations. And all the engineering of our cars and bridges. And everything else in airplanes. But this world that we're living in is magical. And so what Rudolf Steiner's really doing is he's saying, he's mixing the stuff of the earth with the stuff of the heavens in a unique way to create an output that's more than what the two parts together would equal. That's what it is. And therefore it violates a principle that we're always at odds with the system about.

20:27Which is the homeopathic principle. The homeopathic principle violates the scientism, which is like two plus two equals four. It can never be more. It violates all these things. And you go, wow, a little bit of input is going to give me a lot of output. Because ultimately, let's say I'm making a biodynamic prep. And we'll say it's biodynamic prep 500, which is you take the lactating cow poop. And you put it in the horns. You bury it through the winter. Then you dig it up. And then you mix that material, which isn't a whole lot of substance into a barrel. Let's say a 55 gallon drum. And you swirl it one way for a minute.

21:01And you know, let's say you're swirling clockwise. And you're going to go, you go down and sound. You sing to it. And then when you swirl the other way upward counterclockwise, you go, and you go higher for a minute. And then you just do that for an hour. Then you take that stuff and you go and spray it on all your plants. Let's say it's biodynamic prep 500. And let's say it's, it's coming up actually. We'll probably do it in March. Every year, is it an annual thing? It's an annual thing. It's an annual thing. Yep. And sometimes, you know, you might, like in this particular thing, I'm about to describe, you might get two cracks at it.

21:35You might get two bites at the apple. Because it usually happens in March and May. It's when the full moon is an opposition to Saturn. And when those are an opposition with each other, then the moon and be in the sky and Saturn is below. Then you have huge fertilization potential for root growth. And that's what the 500 prep is for. And so, as wild as that sounds, on the other side, we know the phases of the moon impact waves. We know that. 100%. Everyone knows that. You can't get a sun tan at midnight. The sun and moon affect you. We know these things. So the idea that it has an effect that we are not aware of, it's very possible.

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22:15Yeah, it's likely. It's certainly not unrealistic. Right. Agreed. Right. Because you get people who just don't understand astrology. Or, you know, when I say astrology, I'm not talking about like the, you know, here's your horoscope thing. It's not that. The positions of the heavenly bodies have an effect. And it's just like you can't get a sun tan at midnight. It's obvious stuff. Every cop knows that on a full moon, you got to be on your own. You got to be on your own. You got to be on your own. More stuff happens. Anyway, so this opposition will have an effect on roots. And I'm telling you, you can feel it happen and when it's happening.

22:49So we'll go around in the evening, usually on that day. And we'll spray the roots of all our favorite trees. And something happens. It's profound. And then if we're lucky, we can get one another time in May. And that's it. For that prep, that's 500. Then you do 501 and 502. Now, Rudolph Steiner is prescribing really a form of magic. That's what I'm trying to get at. I think it's that way. Yeah, but also, it's very measurable. It really makes sense. And it's measurable. It's more like alchemy. Yes, it's alchemy. In my mind, alchemy and magic are synonymous. Because alchemy is also a way of mixing the stuff of the heavens and the earth together in a unique pattern or unique strategy to create an outcome that is more than some of its parts.

23:36Your thing is music. And I mean, you've done a lot of records I assume. And probably many that I like. But you're trying, I think with music, and you correct me if I'm wrong, you're trying to create something where what the band does and what is happening, what the final product is put out is more than the sum of its parts. Right? Is that reasonable statement? And it's out of our control. We respect the fact that something happens that it's not better because we are trying to make it better. We're giving it space to allow it to be better. That's for sure. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, but you have to be really patient.

24:12Yes, I love that. And that's the philosophy. It's like you let the forces of nature work. Yeah. You let the divine powers work and you just allow. And I think a big part of farming and a big part of just, you know, living in harmony with nature is allowing. And I think that's also a big part of wisdom is just being comfortable with the unknown. Yeah. Is there more to biodynamics than just the input of the heavenly bodies? Was that it? Well, that input and all let's say biodynamic 500 501 502 503 504 all the way up to 501 something like that. All of that input is going to create more robust food.

24:53And the idea of the biodynamic farm is that the biodynamic farm becomes a place where, for example, let's see you have mentally handicapped children, homeless people, people who don't know how to fit into society. The biodynamic farm becomes a place for those people. And that's how Rudolf Steinor described it. And that's really what it is. And I've seen that in action. It is really epic. When you have people who are like, you know, mentally handicapped and, you know, born that way, there's a place for them. And it's the biodynamic farm. So for example, I went to a biodynamic farm in Iceland. This is a beautiful experience.

25:23And I want to kind of lay out a holistic experience because biodynamics is about creating better food. It's about creating better people. It's about creating better farms. It's about the holy connection between you and the earth. It's about also knowing that everybody has their place. Nobody is to be left outside, you know? Nobody is just to be abandoned. There's a place for them. And I was with the number one biodynamic farmer in Iceland. I'm a huge fan of the country of Iceland. I've been going there for 30 years, almost once a year, sometimes twice, or three times a year. Love the people of Iceland.

25:56And unfortunately, he's passed away. This gentleman I'm talking about. But being there on his farm, and he had translated 28 of Rudolph Steiner's books into the Icelandic language. And I asked him, by the way, on that, I said, what do you think of Rudolph Steiner now? After you translated this guy's work, I mean, just your breadth of knowledge of this guy's work. And he said, like every great master, the words change, and they change in meaning as you change. Yeah. And I was like, wow, give me chills. Yeah. It was so cool. Anyway, so, you know, just to see that they had taken all these mentally handicapped children from all over Iceland, and they had given them a spot.

26:32And they were basically in the, let's, you know, it's a cold winter there. And so they're in the barns with the animals, petting them, loving them, combing them, kissing them. I was like, you talk about milk with love in it. It's there. It has. And this participation from these people heals them as well. It was perfection. I mean, then you see, like, we're so brainwash with like, oh, this kid is, you know, he's born mentally handicapped or, you know, something wrong with this kid. And, you know, so, you know, it's autistic or whatever. So, you know, we're all, we're in that mindset that something is wrong.

27:07Yeah. It's, there's nothing wrong. Yeah. You know, I just want to just diverge to, because one of my favorite garments that I have was given to me by a very dear friend of mine. I went over his house, and he pulled his shirt up, and I was like, oh my god, he had a cancer. And he was an old friend of mine. And I was like, I saw it. I was like, he's not going to make it. Black growths all over his body. And he showed me that and said, you know, and we had that kind of a parting moment of like, I'm not going to make it, bro. And so he gave me a gift, and it was a Rudolph Steiner jacket. And it, now, and this kind of fleshes out this biodynamic idea, because Rudolph Steiner basically said that on a biodynamic farm, you have people who are mentally handicapped or autistic, and so they don't have an ego construct like we do.

27:51And therefore, they have certain powers. And one of the powers is that they can take, let's say I'm just going to lay out how this garment was made that my friend gave me, that in the Highland Peat Bogs of Iceland, in the Highland Peat Bogs of North America, Canada, and Highland Peat Bogs of Scotland, and Norway. We have evidence of, for example, in Scotland, of them pulling out Scottish kings 2 ,000 years later, and they're still intact. They're organs are still intact, their skin still intact, the tattoos are still there. You know, what's going on there? Rudolph Steiner said that in those areas, the forces of evolution, the things that break things down are arrested.

28:29And therefore, the things mummify and can't move through the process of evolution and recycling. And therefore, the spirits and souls of those being can be trapped there. And this gets into the whole thing of the mummification of the Egyptians, and that's a whole other story we could get into. It have to do with cold or no. Yes, it does have something to do with cold, although it could happen, you could have mummification happen, if you got, say, deep into the earth, and you were protecting that body from forces of recycling. And there's something to be said for this idea that if you're mummified, you can't reincarnate back in here.

29:05That's a Rudolph Steiner thing, because there's part of you still here. That's interesting. Yeah, and so it's a very interesting angle. I'm a believer in reincarnation, not because I think it's a good idea, but because the science is there. And Stevenson, Max Tucker, Dr. Brian Weiss, Rudolph Steiner, and many other amazing Paul Pierce, all wrote a great book on cases of kids who had memories and information they couldn't have had, thousands of cases. So anyway, come back to our point. With this jacket, in those peat bogs, there's only one plant that grows, peat. And we know the peat bogs, because they go in there, and they'll cut peat bricks out and use it to burn.

29:42And because it's kind of a useless material, supposedly. At any rate, that peat material can be woven into an animal fabric. And when a person does that, who has no ego construct, they can liberate the spirit of the bog, and bring them back into the forces of evolution, and the forces of life, and they will be then connected and attached to that garment. They will be actually obligated to protect the wearer of that garment. This is the garment, the jacket that my friend gave me, when we had that fateful meeting. Amazing. It was amazing. Now, I have worn that garment for over 14, well, about 10 years.

30:25I'm telling you, I have had incidents happen. Like, I was arrested at the border coming, this is at the Coots border, coming into the United States in December, on Boxing Day, December 26, 2020. And I'm coming across the border, and they arrested me. And I was at the border, I'm like, for what? That's what I was wondering. So I had that jacket on every time I'm in that kind of situation. I got that jacket on, I put that jacket on tight, and I was like, okay, I don't know what this is, but we're going to find out. After a while, one of the cops comes in, he says, by the way, this is the Coots crossing between Alberta and Montana, so Canada into the United States, there was nobody there.

31:02It's December 26, 2020. There wasn't a single car went by, no trucks, nothing. It was dead as a door nail. And finally, the cop comes into the jail sentence, the secret service wants to talk to you. What? And I was like, is that what this is about? And he's like, yes. And I was like, okay, let's talk to them. And so as he got me out, he's like, you don't actually have to talk to them. We can let you go. And I was like, oh, okay. And so then he basically said, they put a thing out on your name. They've been trying to get you. And but you don't have to talk to them. Yeah, so that's what, so as it happened, he said, I was telling him, I was like, should I go or should I stay?

31:39He's like, well, you know, you probably should talk to them, find out what's going on because they'll stop. They'll harass you at every border crossing. And I said, that makes sense. And he said, can we come in and listen? And I said, yeah, come in. So it was the three cops that were there. That was the only guys there. And me and one of the back rooms, and I hit the speaker button. I said, this is David Wolf. What, you know, what is this about? And basically, somebody swatted me. Somebody said I was going to kill the president or the, you know, whatever. It was just BS. And the cops there were pissed off.

32:08You know, they had to do this. Hold, run around with me. Take me to jail cell, you know, get my stuff. All they were pissed. Do you ever get more information on why you were swatted? I think I know who it was. It was a person. It was a person who was trying to get me, you know. And yeah, you know, everybody has these, these things of like, you know, people don't like what you have to say or people don't like you or, you know, and I'm big in social media as you are big in your world. And, you know, people don't like what you do. That's just how it is. But anyway, me and the cops there, we had a good laugh and we had a good time.

32:38And they carried my stuff out to the truck. And I was meeting my girlfriend at the time in Boise, Idaho. It was about 18 hours drive through three snowstorms. But I was so stoked to be out of jail. I would, I drove the whole night long. And when I got through the final snowstorm, man, I just had a big smile on my face. That was a great experience overall. But I had that jacket on. And I felt the power of it. And it was like, wow, okay. Anyway, so that's magic. You see what I'm saying? Now, anytime you find me, Rick, I will have that jacket on me. Yeah. Because I know the power. And I believe in the power.

33:12And it could be my belief is affecting it. Sure, I get that perspective. But no, it's something more.

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34:56Tell me a little bit about the manner of Hawaii. Oh man, you're getting into my favorite subjects. When you get off a plane in Hawaii, you know this. You smell the air and it hits you instantly. It's in the air, it's in the water, it's in everything. It saturates the place. When you're in the Andes, yeah, you sense it. You know, all those minerals crunched up in the movement of those mountains and whatever raised the Andes. And you know, when you get some of that great quinoa or that grows great sweet potatoes from that region, you go, yeah, you know, or the great cheeses, you know, those big fluffy cheeses they have in the Andes.

35:30You can sense some of the mana, some of that aspect. And so to my mind, it's minerals that we don't have names for. And you're like, what are you talking about? We have the pure octable of the elements, but we have proven conclusively over the years. And this goes back to the Ormus research of David Hudson. It goes back to the alchemists of Europe and throughout all history that gold can appear in different forms, that silver can appear in different forms, that rodeo -menoradium and some of these platinum group elements can appear in different forms. And that everything doesn't quite stack up.

35:58And another way of looking at that, and eventually where I had to come to with it, is that the periodic table, the elements is three -dimensional. Or you could look at what was his name, oh, the great thinker. He came up recently. Walter Russell, you got it. And who is the guy who was on Joe Rogan recently? Terrence Howard. Terrence Howard. So, you know, I love Terrence Howard's philosophy because it breaks the mold. People are like, well, this is an accurate. What about this? And what about that? And it's like, look, you explain to me how one times one is one, but the square root of one is not one.

36:27And then we'll talk. Yeah. So, this is also fundamental to my philosophy, is that no matter how rational you think something is, like our numbering system, one times one is one, but the square root of one is not one, that's irrational. So, there's an irrationality that's impregnated into everything in this reality. That's just obvious to me. It's like, you know, how do you have a brand new baby with all this potential, all this amazing future if entropy was the only thing happening? It's not. It's an entropy. It's there's an organizational force that comes in. There's the irrational. There's the X factor.

37:02There's been, our lives have been saved at various times by bizarre things that occurred that it's an X factor. You go, it's irrational. And to me, that's what's bleeding in the energy is the irrational memory. That's my personal philosophy. You know, pi 3 .14159265358979, you know, goes on and on. Anyway, so, I feel like the mana is maybe minerals that have other forms. Tell me about on this. So, I spent a lot of years on this subject. I was originally back in 1995, a woman called me up and she said, you have these tapes on raw foods. And I'm talking about like, you know, a sad audio cassette.

37:42Yeah, the magnetic strip tape. She said, I want to send you this series of tapes and can we do a trade? And I said, sure. And she explained to me roughly, and I got this idea was about alchemy. So I was like, okay, cool, let's check this out. And so that started me on a really interesting journey because I got those tapes and it was the Yelp lecture and the Dallas lecture of David Radius Hudson, who was the rediscoverer of an ancient, well -known fact that gold exists in other forms, silver exists in other forms, copper exists in other forms, iron exists in other forms, mercury exists in other forms, and the lead exists in other forms, and antimony too, antimony's earth, right?

38:19Copper's Venus. Would colloidal silver be an example of this or no? Oh, now I would say coated silver. You know, we have this co -product coated silver that was invented by a friend of mine is a very famous electronic sky from Clarkson University in upstate New York. And Dr. Pop, who's his brother -in -law, he's in the health world and he's like, you've got this coated silver, which you can get a concentration down like 20 ,000 parts per million. And what's happening there is normally, when you create a colloidal silver, you can't get a very high concentration of silver because they cluster. That's why we make chains out of silver and gold and metals because metals have a tendency to cluster with themselves, and that's a problem with silver, if you're using it as a medicine, because it clusters, and then when you ingest it, it hits one spot of your digestive tract and it's too much in one place, so it can injure your healthy microbiome, your healthy bacteria and probiotic arrangement.

39:08So what the coated silver brings to the table, which I think in my mind, it's actually would be the salt of silver, because silver exists in at least four forms. The one we see, the salt of it, which is an alchemical riddle, the sulfur of it, that's an alchemical riddle and the mercury of it, that's an alchemical riddle. With gold, for example, over the years eventually, and I'll come back to this silver in a second, we eventually figured out how to make this, the alchemical salt of gold, we figured it out. And it was a long process and I figured out some starting with gold. You started with gold.

39:43You started with gold and you push it back into its ormous form. So to give some hints everybody to the ormites out there, people are interested in ormous. What you're trying to do with gold is you're trying to remove the energy, it's picked up from the enzymes of the environment, the sun, the weather, the elemental forces. Once it's come up to the surface and been brought into the elemental forces, it pops like popcorn and becomes actual metallic gold. Explain what you mean, pops like popcorn. It's in a different form in the earth. And so yes, there can be metallic gold in the earth, but most of the gold in the earth is not in a metallic form.

40:13It's in the form of a ceramic and it would test as aluminum. Would it look like aluminum? Like the rocks of Eastern Canada have a high amount of aluminum in them. They have a weird specific heat. They get cold really easily, but it's a real light rock. And it's just a high aluminum rock. And therefore, you know, to my mind, I'm like, oh, there's ormous gold in this rock. For sure, 100%. And what we do to get the ormous gold, but there's different ways to go about it. I've had a pop out of here. Let me just tell you if you're asking about popcorn, like popping like popcorn, one way we've gone about it is you can pour trap very high.

40:49I don't know what that word is. I'll explain it. So we call it pour trapping. So it's a vortex trap system where you're running water through a sink, let's say, you know, like you can think of your kitchen sink or just think of your bathroom sink. And the water spiraling down the drain. The outside of that sink has magnets on it that are north pole facing in. And then you enclose that sink up so that the water eventually goes, it's like a cylinder. Okay, but it cam drain out the bottom, but it spirals so strongly in there that it can also push out the top. Does the water act differently with the magnets?

41:27Yes. What does it do differently? These type of high energy particles or ormous particles are strange matter that's in water. And it's in certain waters in particular and very high amounts. And I'll explain this as we get into this. I'm going to have it a lot at 30 years experience with this. It's in certain waters in very high concentrations. And though that stuff will try to get away from the magnetic field because the magnetic field will erase its memory is what we suspect. That's my guess. And so we'll try to run up. So when you're, let's say we have a cylinder, let's say it's a cylinder like this right here.

41:57Okay. So we're spinning this, I'm sending the water into this and an angle and spiraling down, it's going down here. Let's say it's like a funnel. It's a funnel, yeah, like a funnel or with a cylinder on top. Okay. And the water is spinning around the inside of the outside of the funnel. Yeah, and going down the drain. And going down the drain, but it's not going straight down. It's spinning around. It's spinning around, right? Swirling. So you're swirling it and water loves that swirling action. Water loves to be swirled and twirled and you know, it doesn't like straight lines. Is that structured water?

42:29It will structure the water for sure because you're spinning it. Now when it goes down the drain, there's a part of the water body that wants to centrifugate. It wants to move outward and down. But there's also part of that water body that wants to centrifugalize, which means it wants to move inward and up. And so what we're doing is we have a straw that would be right in here. So I'm imagining it's going down the drain to work. A straw at the top. A straw that goes in. Yeah. And then that straw, when it's in here, is like Swiss cheese that has holes in it. Yeah. And it might even have a wick in there so that it's able to wick the stuff that wants to come up.

43:07Mm -hmm. And then that goes into another tube that then goes into another one, another vortrap that then goes into another vortrap that can then go into another. So a vortrap spins water in a magnetic field, in a magnetic field, allowing the water to escape both down and up. In some ways, it separates. It's separating the water body, that's it. You got it. It's separating a fraction out that would have a higher, warmest content or higher -strange matter content. Okay, now there are certain springs. Now I'm a spring water hunter. It's people who know me, they know that about me. I've hunted. Tell me about that too.

43:42You've told me about that. You know, I'm a Victor Schauberger guy, warmest guy. So over the years, I've hunted down over 400 springs all over the world and every continent, except Antarctica. When spring water comes up out of the earth on its own accord, something very fascinating is happening. It's like, the water will come out of the ground, it's a, let's just say, 48 degrees Fahrenheit. The ground temperature's 58 degrees. That doesn't make sense. How's it coming out colder than the ground right next to it? What about osmosis, diffusion? It's supposed to be the same temperature, but it will be colder, significantly colder.

44:13And the colder that the water comes out, the better it is. And so this phenomenon tells me that there's a whole missing element to our sciences. What's causing it to be pulled up and it's being suctioned up, by the way. And that's it. I love that subject. I'd love to get into that with you. We'll get that one step at a time. So it doesn't come up because of pressure. Right. Then it would heat. Some springs do and they'll come up and it'll be like hot springs or, you know, ground temperature spring. Some springs like we have at our farm here in Hawaii. It's going to come out because the mountains full of water.

44:49It's a seaport spring. The mountains full of water and eventually it seeps out because it just can't hold any more water. That's what we have in our front yard. Overflow. It's an overflow. So there's a seaport spring, but then there's also a forest spring, a wicking effect created by the forest, which really is a, it's vortexing phenomenon that's pulling the water up and on top of mountains, for example, or hills. And then there's what we call primary water springs, which are in seams where there's volcanic activity. So for example, you probably been to Byron Bay, Australia. You have a very ancient continental shelf and through that, busting through that is volcanic activity.

45:26And in the seam of that, you're going to have great spring water, which is primary water, which comes from deep in the earth. It's, you know, like when Mount St. Helens happened, you have the explosion and the volcanic activity, but then you have a very difficult vent to comprehend afterwards, which is you have a tsunami of water comes out. And it's like, where did the water come from? What do you mean there's a tsunami of water with volcano? We were never told about that, but if you look into these phenomenon, it's part of the phenomenon. And so what is believed is that in the deepest part of the earth, it's all water, under everything.

45:58And it's fresh water. This is not salt water. We call that primary water. And so the primary water, wherever you can get it, it's really good. And we'll have a lot of the strange matter in it. And it can have so much strange matter. Just spread the strange matter. So the strange matter is like a very high, warmest content. Let's say I did what I do at my house. This is my other place in Ontario, Canada. I have four or four traps on a spring, our house is all spring water. It's not a well. It's a real surface spring where the water comes up on its own accord and then spills over. So what we've done is created a pool.

46:29So we contain it. So it spills as it's coming up, it has a nice pool to fill up and then it spills over and goes down the hill into a creek. And we take that water and we basically use spiral pipes and pump it up to the house. And then I'll send it through all these vortex, vortex trapeonates. And then the final product will be, I'll bottle that and that's what I drink. Because it's a way of filtering the water without pushing it through a membrane. So I'm never destructuring the water. It's always even more informed. It's always even more vortex. Now, I might see a phenomenon like a spontaneous vortex in that jug.

47:03Weird stuff like that. But that spring, the one that I'm on, I feel like I've seen that. You've seen it, probably. Yeah, and people have seen this before, but they just, because the overlay of society or whatever the programming is, just you didn't see that. Yeah, you know, there's nothing here. Don't look there. But there's things like that that happened in this world that we're at that place now. We're starting to look a little more closely and also to get out of our judgment, right? Because we don't know nothing. I don't know nothing about anything. I'm just exploring. I'm curious. If I took that system that I have at my house and I put it on like chalk lake Ontario, which is a very high amount of this armist material in it, I could not contain that water in glass.

47:44It would disintegrate the glass. Wow. It has too many of those high -energy particles, which now if you're listening closer, why is it doing that to glass? Because you've concentrated it out of its natural balance and it's trying to use silica, the glass material, to anchor itself or stabilize itself. Otherwise, it's wildly out of control. Now, if you put that in your body, it immediately starts getting into the deepest part of your nervous system, your brain. It transforms. You can actually detoxify you because it's such a high -energy substance. Could it do damage? Can detox damage somebody?

48:17Yes, it can. That's true. I mean, for being honest, you have to go slow. So what we recommend is if you're going to do that kind of high -energy particle water, I drink that all the time when I'm at home, but I'm used to it. For somebody else, it's just a splash in their normal drinking water. So it's too strong. So the point of all this is that I'm pointing out, we're getting at this material from another direction through water. I can also get to material that will shear glass in that exact same way by taking gold and pushing it back into its ormous form, stabilizing it with silica. But if I don't have enough silica in there, it will chew into the glass container that I'm using.

48:55How do you push it backwards? You have to remove the energy. So the first way to do that is you have to create a gold oxide. Now, immediately, everyone goes, gold isn't oxidizable. You can't create a gold oxide, but there is a way, that's alchemy. And so we eventually figured out how to create the gold oxide. Then you have to push the gold oxide. Can we figure it out? Is it like, oh yeah, of course, or was it? It's a trick. It's an alchemical trick. Because you're open. You're able to hear it. You know, normally I wouldn't even get into this stuff because people are not open. But basically my discoveries in this field of armistice gold prove conclusively 100 % that alchemy is real.

49:31Because it doesn't take a high technology. It just takes a clever person. And I was like, oh yeah, so the alchemist going back, even back to Egypt and every place in between, they knew. They were able to figure this out. And so what we figured out is one piece of the alchemical riddle of just gold, of that one metal gold. So we figured out the salt of gold. And it is, it's a sodium gold silicate, actually the compound is. And interestingly, and I think you can comprehend this, it's a tetrahedron. The gold ion is held in a silica tetrahedron. So it's in the middle, and you have a point here, a point there, a point there, and a point there.

50:09So you have four points with the gold in the middle. So the other golds can't get to it. And therefore it's monotomic. And therefore it flips into its armist form and with its properties, as different properties. What does it do? It makes any tissue that it touches younger, 100%. Any tissue of touches will make it younger. So it's the fountain of youth. It is a fountain of youth type of thing, but it's only one piece of the overall alchemical riddle of the philosopher's stone. So this is my research in alchemy. So I'm just gonna lay it out here because there'll be people who will pass me up quickly to make the philosopher's stone.

50:42And this is my research in all my life. You take the salt of gold, the sulfur of gold, and the mercury of gold. Which by the way, there is no mercury in gold. That's one of the big tricks. You have to figure out something else instead of the mercury of gold. And you have to mix those together, probably in a clay egg that then goes in a forge and is super heated to create the philosopher's stone. And the philosopher's stone, and this is another thing too, you can only arrive at it by inner work. What has happened in my life from just the one thing, the armistice gold discovery, and the crazy people that have attracted in my life, the amazing people that have attracted in my life have proven to me 100 % that you must work on your own ego, your own ethics, your own morality, or you will not be able to advance.

51:33That's how it's protected. That's how it's protected. Yep, that's how the secret protects itself. And that's what they told us. That's what all the alchemical books said. And that's been my experience, not gonna deny that. What do you know about the teurium? Oh, I'm big into teurium depleted water, for sure, DDW water. Okay, so just by definition, what I just described as a vortrap, it's gonna provide you a DDW water because deuterium's heavy, and it wants to centrifugate and move down. So when I'm at going after what is wanting to send, tributalize, move in and up, automatically it's gonna have a lower amount of deuterium in it.

52:08So there's different ways to arrive at deuterium depleted water. I like vortrapping, that's the way I like to do it. I also like fractional freezing. That's another way because the deuterium water will freeze first. So you can freeze, you can fractionally freeze half of it, remove it. How does it happen in nature? How is some water deuterium depleted? Good question. Okay, well, I'll just tell you what we know. And where I'm guessing, but there's what we know. We know that the deeper you go into ice core data, the lower the deuterium. This is indicating that there was lower deuterium in past ages of the earth's history.

52:44So probably this means that the earth's pretty old. The deuterium increases towards the tropics and decreases into the Arctic and Antarctic. That's another interesting thing. If I get good spring water out of the Arctic and Iceland, it might be a 139. 140 is considered deuterium depleted or lower. And so 139 of natural spring water is really good. So glacial melt water or Arctic spring water, is a very excellent source of DDW water naturally. What about DDW being less in the tropics and then in relationship to Hawaii? Well, in Hawaii, we also have other factors at work too. By the way, just like how everything progresses, this whole subject of deuterium, first of all, they said originally, all hydrogens is the same, it's never different.

53:30And then some guy was sprouting tobacco seeds. I was named Paul something. Anyway, the scientists, he realized that he could not sprout seeds on deuterium rich water. And if it had too much deuterium in it, in fact, it was de -to -o, which deuterium is hydrogen, but it has an extra neutron in it. Tridium has two neutrons in it. In the beginning, they said it was all the same, but now we know that deuterium and tridium are toxic. They're toxic to life, actually. And so life, you and all the plants around you, and your dog and your cat and everything on Earth, is trying to excrete the deuterium and tridium.

54:04It doesn't want to accumulate it. If we hit a crisis point, and I think it's about 154, 155 parts per million of deuterium, then we will have a diagnosis. We'll have a crisis, a health crisis. And so the idea originally came from the sky with sprouting tobacco seeds, and then eventually, it was the Russians got onto it and they realized, okay, we can get the deuterium out of the human body, but we have to do alternative days of fasting with dry fasting. So water fasting with dry fasting, water fasting with dry fasting for 20 days. Wow. Which is great, but very few people can do that. And then the Hungarians got to it and they said, geez, we got something even better.

54:42They had an idea that they could fractionally distill out the deuterium. When were these? This is so the Russian stuff was say 1950s and 60s. Hungarians came in the 70s and 80s, and then they did an enormous amount of research on deuterium depleted water. We don't want the deuterium and we don't want tridium on cancer. And they found out that you could drink water that had low deuterium and over time, say three months, I think is the normal timeframe that they would use, it would lower your deuterium, it would have an effect of pushing out or activating your deuterium detoxification mechanism.

55:17So that's some really cool stuff. And you can fractionally distill it, you can fractionally freeze it to get the deuterium out or you could vortrap it and you could centrifugate it or another way of doing that is saying you could use what's the term of art and the nuclear industry. You could use, if you get these devices which are designed to create a hydrogen bomb, you're gonna get arrested for creating a nuclear bomb. So don't do that one. Yeah, but it would work the same. It would work the same. They're giant spinners where they spin the water out because they're concentrating the hydrogen.

55:47That's what they're trying to, in a hydrogen bomb, you want new duramen tridium. I see. And so you can spin it out because it's heavier.

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57:32What are the different ways of using a tobacco? Oh, God, so many ways. There's snuff, you know, so, repays, where you powder it, and that's it. So as you go further north out of, say, the Amazon, you get more and more into smoking it. Typically, in Central America, and maybe even Amazonia, in ancient times, tobacco is more chewed by the common person and was more snuffed, which means... And what form would you chew it in? They would basically create little triangles that tobacco and just put it in. So they would be fermented, it would be fresh. Although sometimes it was fresh, sometimes it depends on the tribe.

58:11And if you're dealing with like a big civilization, so let's just say a big Central American civilization, the common person would chew it, they'd be a chewing tobacco person. The elites would smoke it. How would you ferment it? So if you're in, like, if you want to do it here, it's easier here because it's a tropical environment, so there's a lot more moisture, and it's easier to ferment. So you would hang the tobacco off the ceiling and clusters of like six or eight, and, you know, try to keep them together, and just allow the process to occur, just allow them to ferment. If you get too much pile on top of themselves, and that's kind of, you know, that's what the native people said.

58:48They said, the white man's tobacco is moldy. And they're right. You're fermenting it too much, and it's overly fermented. So what ends up happening is you get really harsh, raspy notes in it, which most people go, I don't touch tobacco, because they think that's what tobacco is, and that's almost all tobacco products on the market. You smoke my tobacco, and it's smooth, and people go, what's going on? How do you smoke it without smoking it? How do you smoke it without having smoke in your lungs? Well, you can puff it if you want to do it that way, but the best way to ingest tobacco for health purposes is to snuff it, which means wrap it up the nose.

59:22So you basically have it, that's the old system in the Amazon, where somebody sits there with a, they have a little tube, like a bamboo tube, and they go, you know, up one nostril, and then up the other nostril. That's really epic, actually. That's the best, and that's the most natural. It seems like that would hit hard. It hits hard, and, you know, tobacco is known to activate the frontal cortex, and this is why tobacco is so associated with longevity, they believe, because the frontal cortex is activated by, like, crossword puzzles, and we know the relationship between word puzzles and longevity, and keeps your brain active, and then the rapaity is you blast it right there.

59:56It's right, you know, it's right to the crib reform plate, that's connected, you know, it's blood -brain barrier. I never was into tobacco, never knew anything about it. I grew up a cannabis culture, right? So then California surf for kid cannabis culture, like the idea of tobacco is as foreign as anything could be, and then one time I was doing Iwaska about 25 years ago, drinking Iwaska in upstate New York with some friends, and the tobacco spirit was like, you're going to grow the best tobacco ever, and I was like, what? What are you talking about? Like, I didn't know concept, and then it just started things to start happening.

1:00:26A friend of mine brought me two tobacco plants, and the synchronicity was there, and I was like, okay, I'm going to get into it. Then I just kept going deeper into it, and what a story I could go on and on. I think tobacco is the most amazing, by far the most interesting plant on earth, my favorite, I'm a huge plant guy, is he about that? By far the favorite of all of them. Really? Yes. Tell me more why would that be? The flower. The way it sneaks up on you. You know, this is really interesting. So the way I originally started growing tobacco on our farm is I would just put it in all the pots in the nursery.

1:01:04Whatever we were growing, so we're spratin' up kickoutries or avocados or whatever we're growing. In there with all the pots, I'd throw in tobacco seeds. And then it would come upward wanted to, and then when we could go plant the trees out in the yard, tobacco would grow there, and then sometimes it would move to some other spots. But inevitably, it all migrated right up to the house, right on the corner, where we sit. So we sit on the lanyabove, and it's growing down there, in like an L -shaped below. And so eventually I was talking to an Amazonian shaman about it. He's like, oh yeah, no, the tobacco he wants to listen to you.

1:01:36It's not, you have to grow work and hear you. And I was like, what? That's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. I could take you to there and now I'd show you, like this, I never planted it. This is where it's growing. It moved there. Yeah. And those kind of things tell you a lot. It really does. And the plant consciousness of tobacco is like, it's really important right now. And the lies are coming apart, you know? So this whole thing about nicotine. Nicotine is the most powerful medicine. It's not addictive. The what's addictive in tobacco's pierazines. And what the tobacco companies have been doing is spiking with pierazines and bird agents like potassium nitrate and 800 different chemicals that they've added in.

1:02:18The longest of the people in the world are always tobacco smokers. They're not smoking the crap that's, you know, sold in cigarettes and all that. Yeah. Almost always grew their own. Why is such a difference? So when you start zeroing in on tobacco, you start realizing this is the zero point, actually. If you look at the native cultures all new, they all knew. Yeah. And so we like we're becoming aware like the real thing is is that let's see you in just tobacco as an animal. Let's see you do tobacco as you drink it, which is dangerous. But you can be done. It's an ematic, but very powerful. Detoxifier has to be done under supervision.

1:02:52Or let's see you do a rap here. Let's see you smoke it. Take your prayers right to heaven. That's it. Take your prayers right to heaven. And your prayers are heard. And that's the whole thing. And once you understand that and so the whole attack on tobacco has been about distorting that. It's all about breaking down that connection. Take your prayers straight to creator. Yeah. And I'm telling you. You've all been evaped it. You can vape it. Sure. Yeah, you could you could you could press it into like I have friends who are really in the cannabis business and they know how to get down to these rosins that are all without chemicals and all this other stuff.

1:03:28And I'm sure you could do that with tobacco. But to me, that's not my jam. You know, my jam is I like smoking tobacco. I like making smudge sticks with tobacco. I like rapé, which is or hape, which is the tobacco up the nose. Those are my preferred ways. But I also like just sharing. You know, the knowledge about it and just getting people's interest about it. Because there's something the human race knows. Yeah, they know something. There's we're not getting the right story here. It's supposed to be neuro protective. Supposedly it was harder for people to get COVID if they were smokers. That's right.

1:04:02Yeah, because it takes up the settling colonist race receptor site that to nicotine does. So the nicotine will block the COVID from getting into that receptor site. That's actually what I did through the whole COVID thing. Actually, I basically smoked tobacco through the whole thing. I just somehow got word that early on. And I think it was from before actually. Maybe the tobacco told you. It could be. It's listening. Yeah, it's listening. And you know, after years of using the sonic bloom in my office, you know, back way back to like 30 years ago, sonic bloom is a technology where you. Plane, Baroque music plants.

1:04:37And then the plants open up and then you spray them with a seaweed solution like a gibber like acid solution. And then they you can get crazy growth of plants. I grew that I grew 100 plants that way in my office just for fun. Yeah. And I noticed that the cacti never reacted to the music or anything, but the big leaf plants did. And then one day I was like, Oh, they're like ears. That's the leaf is like an ear. I that really changed my life. Yeah. And so whenever I look at the tobacco today, I've got one that's just right below where I sit, you know. Big ears. And it's got big ears. Yeah. You see what's going on up there.

1:05:10Wow. Yeah. Really, really fun. Tell me about the quality of food available today in general. And if you want quality food, where do you have to go to get it? You know, I was listening to RFK speak and he said something that was so profound. He's like, Yeah, we have the most toxic food, the most toxic dies and crap in our food. And you know, it's bad. It's as bad as it could be. But we also have the best regenerative farmers in the world. We have the best farmers in the world. We have the most advanced farmers on earth. And he's right about that. Yeah. The organic and bio dynamic farmers that I know it's incredible.

1:05:48Best ever. Some of those people sell into stores, but I'd say mostly if you really want to get it, you've got to go to the internet. I was just with the C. Topia people. You know, I'm not a fish guy, but they have the certified parasite free certified this free certified mercury free certified lead free all the things. It's an internet site. I think it's C. Topia dot fish. I was like, what a cool thing you guys are doing. I'm just doing it on the internet. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's an internet. So you're thinking like the Joel Salatans at the world? I love Joel Salat. Me too. You got amazing. Amazing.

1:06:20Yeah. Yeah. Because what he's done with his polyface farms is he's just created a new standard, which it's hard to try. If you're doing that kind of work like, I'm a farmer. I like being at home, you know, in my farm, when I can be if I'm less than traveling to the next farm or doing something else. Building a business that markets into stores isn't my jam. I like just selling directly to the customer. You know, that's what I like. And it's just less time consuming. You know, chasing down stores for, you know, you didn't pay this invoice. Forget it. Who wants to do that? And the chances of it getting fresh to the user.

1:06:56It just slows down the process. Okay. Speaking of which, these are fresh, freeze -dried cacao beans. And look at that. It's so fresh, it vacuum sealed in. Wow. Try one of those. You ever had those? No. Okay, so that's the raw, chocolate product and the freshest chocolate product you've ever had right there. That's raw chocolate. It looks kind of like an almond. Uh -huh. Almond size. Almond size. Okay. Wow.

1:07:30Really interesting. I think it's a good one. That's for you, by the way. Thank you. Yeah. Isn't that great? Isn't that cool? You see the crunch? You see the power? Like, it's so fresh that it's not merely in any way. It's got pop. It's got crunch. It's the flavors there. So how does this come off the plant? Okay. So what's happening is we'll take a cacao pod like this. Okay. And then we'll, we have like, you know, we're like, oh, bloopers in our, in our little factory. We're cracking these things with a mallet. And then it splits the pod open. And inside is the cluster of the beans, just like that, with the pulp on it.

1:08:04And there are different varieties. Yes. Yeah. I'm a collector of such things, right? So I have the, I probably have the large, I'm sure I have the largest variety of genetics of in Hawaii for of cacao. I've got like 36 different genetic clusters of cacao. And so you'll see the difference between that and this. And you'd see how much different that one is. And then this one's different. Different color, different size. Different colors. Yeah. I feel the weight on that one. Wow. Yeah. So that's got, that's an orange there. Anyway. So the original idea of all this is, you know, we crack it open. And then we, we get it into this, you know, freeze -dried form here.

1:08:38And then we just send it directly to our customers. The idea there is that when you get one of these, you're also getting a mix of all this. And the way I got into cacao, I was in Maui, you know, this is back like 28 years ago, something like that. And a friend of mine, he gave me like three cacao beans. I had no idea. I didn't eat chocolate. I was in a candy. I was, you know, I was a health food maniac, all this kind of stuff. And I said, what do you do with these? Like, oh, you just peel it, throw it in your spirulina coconut drink and blend it and off you go. And so that's what we did for a few years with them.

1:09:06And when they show up, you know, friends were making little cacao bean batches. And then eventually one day, my friend Eli said, have you just eaten one? And I said, no, he said, eat the next one. So I peeled the next one and just ate it. And my life changed. I was like, what is this? What do you got to be kidding me? It's delicious. It's delicious beyond. It's beyond anything. And so that's what that created like a raw chocolate revolution. Like how we don't need all that, like, as imagine, I came to you all the years. I was like, hey, Rick, here's almond oil. Hey, here's almond powder. Hey, here's almond butter.

1:09:39And then one day you're like, can I have actually have an almond? And then I give you an almond. You're like, what the hell? And that's how it is for chocolate. It's like all of us all are lives ate a processed form of chocolate. Yeah. And right now today, you have the raw form you can get. That's as fresh as it gets fresh, freeze dried, biodynamic, certified organic chocolate. Amazing. And it pops. You know, it's just amazing. But the thing that was interesting that turned me on that day that I got turned on, I got switched on. There was a bean that switched me on. So this is getting back to the magic idea.

1:10:09This idea of the rags to riches story, this idea of the golden ticket is intrinsic to the substance. It's intrinsic to chocolate. And so the, what I'm doing is we're taking all our genetic varieties and all parts of our land. And we're mixing them together into every batch that goes out because one of those is the golden ticket. Yeah. Some of you will eat one of those and they'll get switched on and they'll have the idea that will save their business. They'll have the idea that will, you know, amplify their marriage or they'll have the idea that will get their kid through, you know, their university education or whatever.

1:10:44However, however, it looks like because chocolate is a magical substance.

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1:12:20Tell me about the relationship between chocolate and coffee. Oh, God. What a beautiful relationship that is. They grow together really well. Chocolate is a tree slash bush. It's not a giant tree. It's not like a mango. We'll never get that big. We'll never get like, you know, these giant African tulips and things we have here in Hawaii. But coffee is truly a bush. So it does really get us a hedge. We grow vanilla on our cacao and on our coffee. And actually, these are vanilla for you. That's fresh vanilla actually. Yeah, take a whiff of that.

1:12:55Now that's fresh. So you should probably leave the top off because it's like a fresh fruit. You can't leave it in a container too long because it'll mold because it's that fresh. It's just right off the farm. Amazing. Yeah. Anyway, so it is a good trellis. Coffee is a good trellis for vanilla. I love coffee fruits, right? So the coffee, this is my take on it. This is my, you know, my spiel on this. The coffee bean is a seed. It's a seed of a fruit. It's a seed of the coffee cherry. And the coffee chairs are good. It's a good fruit. And when you eat both of them, it's like a superfood for farmers.

1:13:29You know, see, let's see, you know, we're out in the yard, you know, and the coffee fruits are hidden. You know, I might eat two or three, the whole thing, the fruit and the seed. And you get all the caffeine, you get everything, but it's all connected to the earth. It's all connected to what's happening right there. It's all part of the farming experience. When you take that seed out, and then you roast it and you separate it from that farming environment, it still has that diligence. It still has that, like, let's get to work. It still has that, like, you know, let's get creative. It's still there, but it's separated from nature.

1:14:02So I've always been, I'm not a coffee person, but I'm definitely a coffee cherry person. Yeah. So I love it the fresh way. We were talking about the quality of food today. Yeah. So it's every, it's the extremes. It's from the top to bottom is the most extreme possible, which I, you know, I get how toxic everything is, and I've been an environmentalist my whole life and all this stuff, but I also see that, like, I'm also an advocate of choice. Yeah. I really am. So if you can get the thing you want, you can get the thing you want. Yeah. You have to know that it's available and where to look. Right.

1:14:35Whatever it is that you like, the quality of that thing can, is at a level today in the world somewhere. Somebody's doing it the best you've ever seen. The best you've ever imagined. Is there a resource like a codex or somewhere to go? No, I don't know. We need that. We need that. That's a good point. I want that. Yeah, to be able to go and say, like, okay, where do I, I try to do that with my social media, for example, I tried to, you know, so social media to me today, you know, I have a huge social media because I really, I'm a people person. I really actually really enjoy the, just the insanity of people, you know, and just how crazy it can get.

1:15:12You know, I got yelled at the other day because I was out of store and we were talking about the Los Angeles fires. And I was like, the sanny, Nez Reservoir was empty. And I got this woman saying, you can't say that. She started yelling at me and I was like, it was empty. Like, what are you talking about? But, you know, that's part of the field. People were angry that it was empty or they angry that you said it was empty. They were angry at me. She was angry at me for saying it was empty, even though it was empty. Yeah. And I said, it was empty. And it could have been, like, the fire hydrants ran dry.

1:15:42Like, we need help. Like, and she just was, I don't know, you know, but that's part of the human experience. And it made my day in a certain way because it was just so bizarre. And that my people person like that. So anyway, with social media, you're probably similar age to me. We came from an era of readers digest and national inquiry and that kind of stuff. So I like that, you know, I'm not like, you know, all those, you know, sightings and that kind of thing. But I'm a readers digest type person. So I try to like, inject that into all the social media in a certain way. It's like, to me, this is the new readers digest.

1:16:14And so I realized recently, I was like, you know, what? I should just affiliate with things that aren't what I do because I'm always advertising what I do. But my audience is everybody. So I started thinking I should just go like, let's like the Ctopia dot fish people. I'm going to start affiliate with them because they got the best thing ever for the people who want that. You know, people want red light therapy crazy stuff out there. I was like, I know the best people in that world. Let me put that out there. It's like one of those duh, you know, what was I thinking? I'm on a magazine basically.

1:16:43It's kind of what social media is. So if you're not going to have ads, let's make it diverse instead of just about, you know, my chocolate products or something. Tell me all the different products you make now. Oh, we make a lot at this farm. We have certified organic certified by dynamic all products, all the things that I'm going to mention tobacco, which we don't sell. But we'll soon we're going to we're working on that because I got the sacred tobacco .com. Oh, that's great. That's really a good one. That's great. I love that. And tobacco is sacred and it's holy and this the way it's been abused.

1:17:14It's coming to a course correction. And I'm there for that. What form will you sell it in? It'll be like this. It'll be like a jar with vanilla beans in it and freeze -dried cacao. And we do nony powder. We do honey. Our biggest thing is our our nony land. Honey's coming upon it's 19 years now soon to be 20 years. Wow. And you can see how runny it is. It's almost like a maple syrup. That's you know tropical honey's are like that. This is our biggest product. This is straight. Straight honey. What else do we do? We do sour, soft. We do like you know sour, soft with this cancer fighting abilities and things.

1:17:51So we've done those products in the past. We're going to get back into doing them again. We make a nony root product. That's a quinone product. It's the nicotine receptor. The the mitochondrial receptor. The nicotine receptor. By the way, I said this for years to the cannabis people out there. They're like what about the the cannabinoid receptors in the human body right? And even the E1 and E2 and all that. And I'm like, let me tell you something. The nicotine receptors. You have millions of times more nicotine receptors in your body than cannabis receptors. Every single cell in the mitochondria that's the nicotine receptor.

1:18:25And what hits that nicotine receptor is nicotine, NAD, NAD plus, NADH plus, NMNs. As nicotine derivatives, niacin nicotine derivative, niacinamide, nicotine derivative, methylene blue hits that receptor. This is where the action is. And it's all based on the nicotine receptor. So that's telling us something amazing about what nicotine really is. And so people ask me like what's the number one thing for the nicotine receptor? The number one nootropic or the number one thing for longevity. It's nicotine always has been. And a nicotine is not addictive. That's a complete scam. If you just look closely, you know, they put all of the tobacco executives back in the 1990s up in front of Congress.

1:19:09And if you were caught lying in front of Congress, some people have gotten away with it recently. But, you know, if you get caught lying in front of Congress, it's dangerous repercussions. And so they're asking them, is nicotine addictive? They're like, no. That's testimony. And, you know, if it was addictive, those people could have been arrested and thrown in prison for lying to Congress. But it's not addictive. It's the pierazines that are addictive. And that's the thing that they've been also adding in more of. Yeah. You know, all the great chaos that goes on. Have you experimented with copper for agricultural use?

1:19:39Yeah. Oh, electroculture. I'm electroculture, Mane. I can fact explain it all to me from the beginning. I know nothing about it. Okay. So part of what's going on with the plant is that the plant is trying to get, gather electrons from the atmosphere and bring them into the root zone of the plant. So part of what's going on with the plant is it is actually an antenna for electrons. And part of the nourishment of a plant is electrons. So what you're doing with electrocultures, you're basically connecting the heavens in the earth with a copper wire. And if the wire is... Either wire. Either way. Okay.

1:20:14Either way is good. Because I know that many things can be conducted down in metal wires that are not named. And that's from direct and personal experience. And there are many things that can be conducted down wires that are of certain shapes. That's why antennas are in certain shapes because they're more able to catch things. So the spiral shape, for example, to me is really the best. So you could take a copper tube and stick it in the ground. What I do sometimes, and I've done this on our spring, you know, I was talking about that seapet spring in the front yard, is I filled it with layers of sand and carbon charcoal and quartz crystals and, you know, all kinds of interest and shungite and all kinds of things.

1:20:49And then, you know, stuck that in the ground with a crystal at the bottom to seal it and a crystal at the top to seal it. So it's a copper tube, you know, it's a copper pipe with all that stuff in it. And then put that right into the into the spring just to see, you know, maybe that's going to stimulate more productivity out of the spring or whatever. Still an experiment that's running right now. I'm not sure if it's working or not, but fun to look at. But generally, I do the spirals because the ether forces and even probably almost everything if it's allowed to move freely like you'd see in a river is spiraling at some level.

1:21:22And so I will use spiral patterns to pick it up. And is it, is the spiral always going one direction? I like the counterclockwise spiral personally. Why is that? I just like clockwise is going downwards and counterclockwise is moving up. And so if you're looking up, it's going counterclockwise. But if you're looking down it's going clockwise, right? Do you make the spirals or can you acquire spirals? You can, those people who make this stuff now, you can get on like Amazon. It's hilarious. Yeah, people make it for you. They have these spiral electroculture. If you look up like electroculture on Amazon, now there's people who make it these days.

1:21:59Electroculture spiral. There's all kinds of cool ones. But I did one right before coming over here. That's so, that was the last thing I did. I brought a sand Pedro over to the house. And it's, you know, sand Pedro, watch him. The famous psychedelic cactus of Peru. It has trouble surviving in our jungle. So I have a kind of under the house. And I, you know, I was like, okay, I'll see if I can make it. And I thought, oh, I threw an electroculture in it. So I made it last night and put it in this morning with it in the pot. I mean, generally, I don't do a lot of electroculture outside of pots in Hawaii because the monosauhia, I'm not, I mean, geez, I want things to grow faster.

1:22:34Better. It's already out of control. I just said, you're right. It's already out of control. You get to pray over the plants. Yeah, always. We do prayers. Like we just planted on the big island. We just planted six more lipid variety of Ulu, or breadfruit. And the lipid variety is the one that we were missing on our orchard over there. We've got a great, we're gearing up to supply the world with Ulu, or breadfruit from the big island, which is the best in the world. You know, now you go to a restaurant in, you know, some great resort somewhere in TG or something. And they'll have it frozen in their freezer.

1:23:06So all the cooks can be like, you want big island, Ulu, we got it. You know, we got it in the freezer. We're gearing up for that and on the big level. So when you're asking me what I grow, I don't just grow on this island. I also have a really awesome farm on the big island. Anything on the mainland? Yes, well, in Ontario, Canada. And I've also farmed in Texas. And I've farmed in, of course, California for years and years. And I just love every one of those ecosystems for their own magic that they have. Nothing compares to Hawaii, of course. It's just, it's a whole magnet. Why is so much food brought in here versus grown here?

1:23:38Ignorance. It's ignorance. The big island just growing like Ulu and avocados. We could feed all in North America just the avocados coming off the big island. If we really wanted to, if you really geared up, we could produce more big island avocados and ship it to the mainland. The initial will come produces in Mexico and ships to the United States easily. And it's just politics and state of California doesn't want the avocados coming over because, oh, what if we get pests and they've got a monopoly, you know, the trade organizations of avocado and California, they got to lock on it. So they lobby to make sure that the, you can't get the real like these guys, these giant avocados.

1:24:18And we're not actually those coming to California. They can come into California every single day. But they won't allow it. They let the charlots come in as long as you've done this paperwork and that paperwork and cross this tea and dotted that eye, you know, and all that stuff. But with Ulu, it's open now. And so on the big island, we just planted six up. We finally got the lipid variety that we wanted and we prayed over those. And we had a beautiful circle. Do you ever sing to them? Yeah, sure. And, you know, again, if I'm trying to get them to root, I'm going down. I'm going, you want to go deeper.

1:24:51And then if you want them to shoot up, you want to go up. That's what I learned from the Alchemy books. And that's what I learned from Victor Schauburger. You know, Victor Schauburger is, he was the great Austrian water wizard, probably the real inventor of the jet engine. They stole it from him. They stole all that from him. He talked about when he was, you know, when he'd walked the old country in Austria, there was still people who would spoil the water one way going, and they go up when they were going clockwise, counterclockwise, and they go down when they're going clockwise in pitch up and down.

1:25:21And then Steiner talks about that too. And I was like, OK, so I got it from a few different sources. So even the stuff that Steiner is known for may have older sources. Sure. 100%. You necessarily invent all the ideas. No, he, he somehow was an aggregator of information. Yeah. And he was a clare of wind in some way. So he's aggregating information from the old world, you know, the old world wisdom. Any great books on electroculture? Oh, good question. Is there anything on electroculture right now that's out there? Maybe there's something new. It's really a new thing. I mean, if you go back to crystal flow, who's the inventor of the concept, his books are out there, you can get them.

1:26:02You can download them for free online. And there's about six of them, something like that. What did you see from? And he was French. He was a genius. And what he basically discovered in what we're rediscovering now is that the plant, you can alleviate a burden from the plant by using electroculture wands. So what you're trying to do is you're taking, let's just say I have a chopstick and I have a little sprouting plant happening. I can wrap a copper wire around that chopstick and I can stick it one third of the way into the soil. And it will assist that plant in growing. It'll help. And coppers generally the one not touching the plant, just going into the soil.

1:26:41Although I have done like, for example, I was basically taking great material. This is in Ontario, wasn't on this farm. And I was taking grapes and I was trying to clone it. And so I was trying to get it to root and I wrapped it like the piece, the stick, the sion, whatever, the cutting. And I wrapped it in copper and it worked. It friggin worked. I was like, wow, and it's great. It was wild. I was like, wow, this is something. So copper itself is a dewormer. It's antimicrobial to a significant degree. It's an electronic tractor. Also, and I've been doing experiments with having copper on one side and then zinc on the other.

1:27:18There's a big deception that's placed at various levels of alchemy. And that's a trick that you're supposed to overcome at each layer of alchemy. Because we're coming to a time where I think it's important. The most overt first step trick that's been laid by previous alchemists is that Jupiter is associated with the element of tin. It's actually zinc. It's obvious, actually. So the alchemical metal that is associated with Jupiter is zinc, not tin. And that makes a lot of sense when you start going, oh yeah, because when you get zinc, let's say you have a soil medium. And it has, like, you know, let's say it's a great medium, you know, that's made.

1:28:00I use a lot of beach sand in my mixes, for example, I'm making soils up to sprout trees. And we're up in a clay pot up there. The soil gets really dense and doesn't breathe. So I have to get things in there that will separate pieces of wood sand is really good, you know, vermiculite's excellent, perlite's excellent. And it opens it up so that there's more breathing. But when I'm doing that, of course, I'm bringing, if I'm bringing sand for the beach, I'm going to have salts in there. And if I put zinc, let's say I put a zinc electroculture on one side and I put a copper on the other, there's a current between them.

1:28:30And that's an interesting thing. It's like a battery. It's a real live battery. And that tells us this thing about Jupiter and Aphrodite, right? Jupiter and Venus, they had a thing. Really interesting. Have you had any mentors along the way? Many, many great mentors, many great alchemist mentors. I have a great German alchemist friend of mine who's this guy is so berserk. He will literally not stop talking and educating you for seven days straight. And you'll just love every bit of it. Just like, okay, tell him about this. Okay, what about this? What about that? How about this? You know, anything, Steiner, Alchemy, electroculture, what's the true nature of copper?

1:29:12Tell me about the Saturnian plants. What a name it. He's that guy. Of course, I'm a big faster. And so I'm coming up to a two week water fast. It's going to be tough because this food is so good. How often do you fast? I fast four times a year. Tell me the benefits. And are there any negatives to fasting? Well, you have to go at your own pace. So the negative is just like we were talking about with detox earlier, you can't go too crazy too quick. It can hurt you because it's too much too quick. You got to go slow. And I recommend that people start with intermittent fasting and then work their way into a single day of fasting.

1:29:47And then eventually two days of fasting, then a long weekend, three days. And you know, you have to work and experience it because it's a tough practice. What's the difference between a water fast and a dry fast? A dry fast is when you consume nothing. No water. Nothing goes in your mouth. And I love dry fasting, but that's another one that you have to be experienced because it's dangerous. Very dangerous. It just takes somebody. We don't know someone's health history. And God knows you know the toxins we've been exposed to. It's crazy. It's insane. And nature's solution to pollution is dilution.

1:30:17So water, water, water, water, water. Nature's solution to pollution is dilution. Drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, especially when you're cleansing. Do you drink water straight or do you put salt or anything in the water? I do. I've learned over the years and I learned this from a very interesting character. You know, a guy who lived without food for years. And he lived with me. And by the way, when somebody like somebody who doesn't eat food lives with you, it crushes your belief systems. Yeah. It crushes him. It's like you're like, whoa. And not only that, the energy coming off such a being is, it's berserk.

1:30:49It's incredible. And that being taught me that if I drink salt water, then eventually I can get my body into homeostasis. And I'm in balance. And then I don't need anything from the outside because my body is a self nourishing, self regenerating community of cells. Okay. So let's just take the extreme example of someone dying of starvation. Well, they're bathing in their own waste and they're malnourished. They've never got to a balanced nutrition plus they're bathing in their own waste. If you can get the waste products out, get to a balanced nutrition, which ultimately comes down at the very basic level to water and salt.

1:31:26And when I say water and salt, I'm talking about a sea salt, a full spectrum salt, or a Himalayan salt or a salt that is actually a salt that comes from the earth, a real thing. And we're talking about a pinch, not a lot of salt. It depends on the person. Now, I found out for me, I had to go illegal on it because I found out for me something crazy, which is a shocker. And I'm glad I'm able to even suspension this. Which is salt water actually ended and completely obliterated over years of time, all my allergies. And I had many. I had many. I had hay fever. I had food allergies. I had this. And then I would get into certain people's households with dogs or cats.

1:32:02My lungs would fill up with fluid. I mean, terrible allergies. And eventually I got the hint of it from Dr. Batman, Gayle, which is book, Your Body's Many Crys for Water. And in there he starts talking about salt and how it neutralizes asthma. And then step by step by step, my own experience has started going, oh, I'm starting to get itchy in the back of throat, drink salt water, gone. So I get itchy eyes, drink salt water, gone. Asma, salt water, gone. And I started going, oh, and so I started doing more salt. So what's the dose? One tablespoon per liter. That's a good starting point. You may need less than that, but you may be like me where you need more.

1:32:42And when you say a tablespoon, flat tablespoon? Flat tablespoon per liter. And then what happened to me, which is I had to go to two tablespoons. Wow. And then I started realizing like, whoa, if I, the salt to the water is the quicker it stops the asthma or the allergy. And it stops it quick. It just became a whole philosophical realization that the reason why people die of starvation, the reason why people can't fast or the reason why they're, you know, having trouble, you know, in this world with all this, you know, assault of toxins is because salt is an incredible neutralizer of foreign proteins.

1:33:17Crazy level, insane level, actually. And it's life, it changed my life. And so I realized with the fasting, if I just had a little bit of sea salt, it was okay. But if I had a lot, then I could, I was hydrated. I didn't need to have anything actually. It was balanced. I actually had, I was hydrated. Because if you have too much salt, obviously you're going to get dehydrated. But if you have too little, you'll get dehydrated. If you have too much water, you'll get dehydrated. If you have too little, you'll get dehydrated. It's all of that. Yeah. It's the balance of it all. And that tells us something.

1:33:44And you can only find out through doing it. That's it. That's it. And so I first saw this in Aristotle. But everything is a balance of forces. Yeah. You can't just say, okay, we're going to do this now. Now we're virtuous. It's not like that. Virtues a balance of forces. And health is a balance of forces. So if I start with the tablespoon per liter, how would I know whether to increase or decrease? What would be the result that would tell me I need more or I need less? Okay. So the best time to do these kind of experiments is in the morning when everything's clear. And then you drink the salt water and then you see what happens.

1:34:19Now if you have a really good reaction. You drink the whole liter at once. Uh -huh. Wow. Yeah. Drink it down. Because when you drink it down, it also, when you have salt and it acts as a big bowlless. And it moves down your intestines and it pushes things out. So you have a good bowel movement. And so that can get people off coffee because people are a lot of times using coffee in the morning. Because they're trying to stimulate a bowel movement. And the salt will do that. And so then the next thing is you start going, okay, am I thirsty or not? Am I in balance or not? And you know, then you might go, okay, let me see where my allergies or my asthma is.

1:34:53Or any food allergy. Because salt over time I realized like ultimately what's an allergy? It's just an irritation. What's an irritation? It's dehydration. Ultimately, if we got down to the cellular level, why is the tissue irritated? It's dehydrated. Can we rehydrate that tissue with just water? Not possible, my opinion. Because you need both. You need water and salt for hydration. Every creature on earth has their own isotonic balance of water and salt. And it's different for every person too. I'm a desert well originally and cold weather desert kind of person. So I just found out for me it was way more sea salt and salt in general than I ever thought I could ever have.

1:35:34And you know symptoms, for example, and somebody has like a runny nose or they have a loose stool, that kind of thing low salt. Just like I was just thinking, you know, it's helping my mom. My mom was having like this runny, you know, constantly running nose and irritation of the eyes and drink salt water, drink salt water. She drank salt water went away and she's like, you know what? My Russian doctor when I was like five years old told me to drink salt water. And the Russians by the way, it's still part of their culture this thing about the salt water. Dr. Sretel, you're not to use salt. Yeah, it's emblematic of our civilization.

1:36:05We got so whacked out that we actually were like salt as poison. Yeah. That's how far out we went. And recently I was just going, it was a meta study on high blood pressure. And I have it on my phone. I just was watching it yesterday. And it was a good summary. And they found out that the people who had the best blood volume and the blood, best blood pressure consumed the most salt. Interesting. What an interesting thing. I was like, what a video. What the heck? What do you know? Do you use hydrogen peroxide for anything? I have. I mean, today I would use hydrogen peroxide mostly for cleaning things, you know, and or purifying water if I had to in a pinch or something.

1:36:45But I'm more of an ozone person when it comes to oxygen therapies. And actually, I'm firing up for for my household right now. We're firing up some ozone for tonight. We're going to do ozone and. That's what's coming up. But with the fasting, the key to fasting is getting all the stuff out of your balls. You have to get emptied out because you crave what's in your intestines. When it's emptied out, it's easier to fast and you can go longer. I'm in a scene, you know, so I over the years, basically people are like, you're in a scene. Here, this is your path. And part of that path is you have to fast on water every single 55 this year.

1:37:21So I have to fast on water 55 days this year. What else goes into being in a scene? Well, we have an orientation towards the spiritual, right? So always spirit first and physical last, right? And then we also have an orientation towards the heart that it's heart oriented. And it's also non -prosilitizing. So the main thing about these scenes is there's no prosilitizing. Like you're not going to have somebody knocking on your door going, have you read the Bible? You know, Jesus is here to save you or what? How did you get into how did you become a scene? It's because the scenes in San Diego, they saw what I was doing and they're like, you're in a scene.

1:37:58You don't know it yet, but you are and they just kind of put the information in front of me. And they proselytized me. And so I was like, oh, okay, interesting. And you know, it's not a pushy thing. I'm not going to push it on you. It's just like, you know, you don't know it yet, but you're in a scene here. Just look at this. And so eventually I realized that that was my path. But the key is that this thing about the fasting and the prayer, that combination, that's crazy stuff. I just did a 35 day water fast. I did that in October, November, which that's crazy stuff. Like I did not eat anything.

1:38:31And I didn't even drink a lot of water for over a month. Yeah, you use baking soda for anything. I liked baking soda and I do use it. I have consumed it. I like using it in cleaning. I like using it in my bathtub. I like using it in the fridge, of course. I'm not a super berserk baking soda guy. I'm more like in that department. I'm more of a charcoal guy. Actually activated charcoal and cold bider charcoal is our charcoal. I love charcoal. Oh, my gosh, another rabbit hole. We could go down. We're on a septic system, right? You know, we're in the jungle. We're going to farm. When you start putting charcoal down the toilets, it just cleans everything out.

1:39:09All the odors gone, everything's gone. It just purifies everything. Charcoal is a neutralizer. Charcoal is a deodorizer. Charcoal is a cleaner. Would you eat it if you had an upset stomach? Or would you eat it because you always eat it? I always eat it. Yeah, daily daily. Yeah, I eat it. I like I took today was a crazy day, but we kind of went berserk last night. Like last night we were playing music. I'm a drummer. So you know, we love playing real live instruments in the jungle. You know, with our crew. You talk about highs. There's nothing to be hired. So we work all day. Then we go hit the yard.

1:39:46Then we play music. It's the greatest high -known. We'll have some tobacco. We'll have some mezcal. And then you know, like get up in the morning. I'll take ten charcoal and I'm back to normal and ready to work. Great. Yeah. Do you drink tea? I love tea. What kind of teas? Medicinal mushroom tea. Big. I'm a huge believer in medicinal mushrooms. And mushrooms in general. As a category of food for humanity. Let's talk about mushrooms. What do I need to know about mushrooms? Okay. So first of all, mushrooms are almost the Wild West of botany. There's probably. It's estimated about 28 ,000 mushrooms in Appalachia that are unnamed.

1:40:25That's a real high number, really high number. So there's a lot out there that's unknown, which is cool. And when we think about mushrooms, we think about magic mushrooms. And I think probably the first mushrooms I ever had were magic mushrooms. I consumed enough magic mushrooms in my life that I cannot consume any of those anymore ever. I have an intense reaction immediately. I had my fun. But what is magic mushroom doing? It's helping them with our allocation. It improves our cognition. It improves our wit and our capability of one neuron connecting with another. It changes our worldview and can actually heal us of some of the dangerous world views of like the materialism worldviews, which are dangerous to us.

1:41:05Right. So I've got the most, you know, money or the most yachts or the most whatever. And that's not going to bring us fulfillment. It's going to, you know, so it helps heal that because it shows you the magical world and it shows you. Well, there's a lot more going on here than I thought. Then that eventually cascaded into culinary mushrooms, which is like, you know, the butt mushrooms. You have an pizza, which by the way are pretty darn medicinal. I'm pretty damn good. There's some pretty strong estrogen degrading compounds in just a garricus by sporus, which is the common mushroom you'd have on a pizza.

1:41:33Then it evolved into things like trumpet mushroom, boletes, porcini's, king boletes, oysters, ash boletes and things like that. Those are phenomenal culinary mushrooms. And if you're living in a place, you know, not here, but let's just say a place like where I'm at in Ontario, Canada. That's a big part of our diet because that's what's growing there. That's the food that's there. Now, then you go to the next category, which is the medicinal mushrooms, which are mostly not always, but 99 % 95 % at least tree mushrooms. They grow symbiotically with trees. They come out of trees, both living in dead trees.

1:42:14And some like Rishi mushroom, which is the queen of all mushrooms of medicinal mushrooms, can grow on a living and a dead tree. And it grows in every ecosystem in the world. Every ecosystem I've ever been in that has a forest has Rishi mushroom in it, which is says something, means something. Chagda mushroom, which is the king only grows in the circumpolar regions, you know, of the northern hemisphere of the world, all but all around, you know, from Finland to Iceland to northern Canada to Korea to China to, you know, all of Russia. What a substance that is. I mean, whoa, yeah, Chagda mushroom.

1:42:52These are, by the way, when you get into medicinal mushrooms, you're talking about immune system modulation. I do want to just point out and just say that it is possible to never be sick, never have a cold cough, flu fever, anything. If you're on it, you have to be on top of your game, but it's possible. If you're really on your game and medicinal mushrooms are a big part of that game, because they modulate immunity. And they change your immunity over time. Your immune system, they inform and modulate and change your immune system. So that a year later, three years later, 10 years later, 15 years later, you're a different person.

1:43:23That's from experience. I read those in those books years ago. I've now put it into practice for 20 years. It's a fact. Your immune system changes. When you get into the big ones, like the Rishi's and the Chagas, those are the big powerhouses and they have a big broad host defense. They cover a lot of frequencies of different microbes that they defend you from. And when you add in some of the other ones, like the turkey tails and my tockies and Betulinus to porous, the Birch polypore. That's a great one. Another favorite. And Fomis Fomontarius. And then you get other frequencies. And when you start putting all those together in a tea, like 10 different medicinal mushrooms, you're immune.

1:44:00You become immune. And it's delicious and it's glorious. Right now, I've got two medicinal mushrooms going. I got a Tremides and Fulinus gilvis from the jungle behind my house. And we picked them from there and then dry them out the sun and then put them into the tea and put a few other herbs in there and you're good to go. Onions and garlic love onions and garlic, but I'm more of an onion person than a garlic person. Garlic can irritate me and it can imbalance me. I think a lot of people are aware of that. Of course, the Vedic system is against garlic and onions for that reason. But I'm that guy who eats an onion straight.

1:44:35Yeah. Are you that guy? I'm that guy. I love onions. I love onions. I mean, if you if you just think of like, you know, the great spicy foods in the world, onion, peppers. What's life going to be like without those things? Yeah. Tell me about the karma of foods. Food changes your karma. Like I'm a vegetarian living on the mountain over here in the jungle. That's a certain karma. It's going to put a certain thing in my destiny. There's going to be certain things I'm going to be into. I'm not going to be out on the fishing boats in the morning because I was on those tuna boats when I was a kid, you know, in San Diego.

1:45:10It's not my thing. Change your karma. Yeah. Well, you're destiny. You're fate. So, you know, choose wisely. You know, if you're and like you are, you're probably your a qualitativeian, right? Your policy. It's so epic to be a qualitativeian because it's just you know, you can take it one step further and you know, can you go even one step further and you're pushing yourself to go more and more and more and in my wheelhouse like this tobacco. Yeah. This stuff is the quality of this is like people smoke it and they go, dude, what's going on? It's like that because it's smooth. There's nothing raspy about it.

1:45:49You know, this is good. But if I was here just like right now, the batch that I'm drying right now is going to be better than this batch. Wow. Because I'm here, you know, a lot of times I'll pick at the last second and then just it'll dry in my room when I leave and when I come back, it's already that kind of thing. But it's a little bit better when I'm there the whole time as it's fermenting, you know, because I'm able to monitor it and get it perfect. Have you ever experimented with an elimination diet? Even like a gap diet or just like a, you know, we reduce to only eating one thing and then add one thing back after a couple of weeks and just see how the different foods we eat.

1:46:26Oh, yeah. Oh, I did monodayets. I eat fruit only for long periods, even I don't even know how long I went on fruit. I went long a year. I experimented with not drinking water, only coconut water and get my food from plants. I have the approach that I have now for a reason because it kind of led me back to this. I just feel like these things that we have like this kind of like idea of like having, you know, eggs for breakfast and it's for a reason. Yeah, reason for that. Well, cut you back on eggs. I always liked eggs. I just did. I was never against them. I was just, I was just went on another tangent for 20 years.

1:47:07And as soon as I changed my diet around, I was like eggs. Yeah, I love sunny side up. I love hard boiled eggs. I love scrambled eggs. I love everything about eggs. Why in Chinese medicine do they suggest no raw food only cooked? Well, there's the damp, spleen idea. And generally, okay, so this brings us really to the question of like, you know, I was a raw foodist for a long period of time, like 17 and a half years. I did it. I lived it. Like, why is he human different than in the creature in nature? Like, you know, the animals were right? Like, why do we need to cook the food? And Rudolph Steiner said is we have too much soul.

1:47:46I'm telling you, this is a deep, deep pondering thing. I pondered it for a long time and lived it and pondered it. We have so much soul that we're not as physically present, you know, like a bear is or it's physically present as a like a wild hog or wild boar here, you know, we're just not as physically manifested. We're part in the spirit world. And therefore are fires. It's hard to develop the, the Agni that fire to burn up the raw food. Very interesting. Very interesting idea. Yeah, it to me, I just I've wrestled with it for years. And you can build it up, but it's difficult. You have to really work at it.

1:48:31You have to, you know, you have to work on the Agni, the fire, the the ashtanga, yo, and just keep, you know, keep building it up. And you have to be a type of person that has a very high amount of internal heat, which I do. I'm a cold plunging maniac. I'll go and, you know, people like, let's go cold puns. I'll go in there for 15 minutes. You know, I'm a maniac for that stuff. Because I have a high amount of internal heat. That's why raw food works for me. But that's a rarity. Tell me about Sun -Write -Bindalops. Oh, geez. Oh my God. You're touching on my favorite things ever. Now I do spend every part of every year in Greece.

1:49:05There are trees in Greece that are easily a thousand years old. All of trees. All of us have been associated with longevity all along. It's been known that olive oil consumers live an average of nine to 18 % longer across all mammals, including humans, which is a crazy, crazy thing. There's nothing like that in the entire field of all food or no tropics. The only thing that gets you to that level of longevity isn't even a food, which is charcoal in animal research. Charcoal extends life better than olive oil, which is an astounding statement, by the way. That's why I'm big on both of those two things.

1:49:45If we could just have more life, we'll be wiser. If we could just have more life, we'll figure things out. You know, that's kind of my theory. To keep people on the earth longer. They're more likely to figure it out than past that wisdom down. Anyway, so the olives, when I was living in San Diego and the first got into the raw foods, I kept looking at the olive tree and I kept going, there's got to be something. You don't need to brine it. This whole thing of like, I got to process it. No, it's got to do it naturally. And then eventually I realize that olives will do their thing in the autumn.

1:50:14Then they move through the winter and through, especially in the Mediterranean climates. You get a rainy season, which is the winter. And the olives will either fall or be leeched of their tannins on the tree or on the ground. And then you roll around a February, March, April. And either on the tree or on the ground, they will be shriveled up and ripe naturally, sunripe and naturally. Is this related to the time when they would be picked to make olive oil? Because there's a day. I'm told there's one day. Yeah, there's usually, it depends on what they're going for today. Like these days, it's going to be a day in November.

1:50:51Yeah. And they're going after the, I would say generally unripe olives because they're higher in polyphenols and they have a little bit more of the olio -canthol and those kind of unique compounds and the olio -rooping, which is really good, by the way. Olio -rooping, geez, is that an important compound because it's an aromatase inhibitor. So that's my number one thing for breast cancer. It depends on the breast cancer, of course, because each breast cancer is different. But the common estrogen positive, estrogen receptor positive breast cancer, the main one, olio -rooping, olio -rooping, olio -rooping, which is the iridoid yellow -green pigment that's in green olives.

1:51:27It's in olive oil, especially the November picked olives for olive oil. And it's almost all of them are that. And it's also found in olive leaf extract and in olive leaf too. It can be olive leaf tea. Really important. I take it all the time, actually. I think it's one of the most important. I'm a Mediterranean being olive as my tree. It's even more, it's more actually fundamental to my being than avocado is actually. Just more genetically aligned to the olive tree. So you let them fall off the tree? I'm a ripen in the sun. And then you eat them just like that? It is so good. The Greeks, by the way, have a name for it.

1:52:02They call them the Hamades. The Hamades. They taste salty still or no? No, they have a high amount of sodium in them naturally, the highest of any fruit, actually. But it's not salty salty. But it's there. It's like bone marrow, right? It's like a salty fat naturally. So to me, it is my bone marrow because I'm vegetarian. So that's where I get it. It's an alkaline fat too. So the Greeks, they have this term, the Hamades, the ones that have fallen. And they know about it. And you have to kind of push them to start eating them again. But once they start eating them again, they're going into my bag.

1:52:35And they're like, can I have another one of those? They keep going back from work. Because it's a thing. Once you start eating them and you know, you're like, my God, if you're ever in Delphi, and I'm not there, remember this. All around Delphi are olive trees that are 500 years old, 1000 years old. It's insane. Right on the road. So they basically put rocks, flat rocks around them too. So the olives that have fallen aren't in the dirt. They're on a rock. It's clean. And so you can go there and not a single person, not ever, ever picks them. Zero. So I will go there and I'll just, I'll get thousands of them.

1:53:14And they're like this big fat real. Oh my God, are they good? They're not like the olives here. They're bigger. They're only big for. See, the last forever, they don't go bad. They don't mold. You can store them. You can storm in a jar like that and seal them. And they release a gas that keeps them intact. They will not mold. That's unbelievable. It's don't have to be refrigerated. Nope. Nope. Yeah. Because on that guy who just like, I want to know the truth about the olive tree. Eventually I realized that once you have an olive tree, you will survive. Because with that, I can take that. I can make all kinds of things.

1:53:51I can make food from that. I can take all kinds of herbs and things, mix it with that and be eating stuff and have a significant amount of calories. So really the civilizations of the Mediterranean, you know, the tree of life is the olive tree because with that tree, you're surviving. Yeah. It's so cool. The power of the Hamades, the ones that have fallen. I mean, I can't wait. Now the time to get those is like, if you're let's see here in Delphi, the time would be in, say, February, March, April, May, all through there. There's going to be good ones.

1:54:43Tell me about the quality of soil. I'm going to say, and to break it up naturally and to actually open the soil up and to put the canopy up above. So the soil can breathe because not getting pushed down and congealed by the sun. The soil quality is the human quality, right? The soil is your brain. What's happening with soil is your consciousness. And to create a healthy soil is to is to create a healthy human. I make soils. I love making soil. So I'll go and I'll take like, you know, some of our worst soils and I mix them with beach sand and I mix that with some of our best soils and I mix that with, you know, things that the earthworms have turned over and I mix that with some wood chips and I'll mix that with, you know, debris from a tree that didn't make it.

1:55:32And bam, that's the medium and then I'll sprout cacao's in there. I'll sprout. I'm Rilini and there will sprout avocados or will sprout knownies or will sprout sour sobs. What do you know about pomegranates? A lot of grown pomegranates in many different ecosystems. I've grown pomegranates in the Arizona desert. I've grown pomegranates in Texas. I've grown pomegranates in Southern California. I've grown pomegranates here in Hawaii and I'm half Persian. So, you know, that's the that's the fruit of Tehran. It can actually affect your blood chemistry like you did like you did a workout. That's how good it is.

1:56:10You know, that's the latest research on pomegranate. It can actually affect your blood chemistry in the way that a good workout does. There was a myth that every pomegranate has the same number of seeds. I don't know that that's true. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, that's a good question. I love the idea. We're going to have to count those things up. The way we do it, like the Persian way is you get a big bowl and you open the, you just open them all up and you just open them all. You just get a bowl full of all the seeds and you just start chomping them down rather than trying to get through the fruit and all the layers of the skin layers and things that are in there.

1:56:45It's a little too. Do you do it with a spoon or with your hands? Hands and do you spit out the pits or you chew up and swallow the pits? I spit out the pits. Everybody always says that's me. Like, how can we spit out the pits? It's like, because I mean a lot of pomegranates in my life and it's a little heavy on my intestines. Yeah. I would also say that and some and people do need need to be more, you need to be careful about pomegranate pits for that reason. It can get stuck in your intestines, but even worse, a bigger offender is the tunas or the the nopali fruits. It's a cactus fruit, but it's very spiny and right and then they turn red right the last they calm tunas in South America.

1:57:20You see them on this island. There's a lot of them here and the seeds of those, they can be an irritant on the intestines. So I recommend spitting those out. It's so relative of dragon fruit. Do we love dragon fruits and pateas? I mean, that's another amazing like my god. Those are awesome. Do you think of yourself primarily as a farmer? Yeah. I'm a farmer. Yeah, I do. It was really, really difficult for me when I was younger to not have a piece of land. I was like, I have to get on the land fast and soon because I was literally dragging pots of plants around with me. Yeah. You're from one place to another.

1:57:59What percentage of the food you eat is food that you grow? Right now it's 100%. Every now and then, like, you know, you go to this health store, just like a social thing. I don't need any food from there, but it's kind of fun to go see your friends and things itself. But I love just the avocados from your own land, the olives from your own land, the berries from your own hand. It's fulfillment. It really is. There's, you know, this is an energy that I think needs to be talked about more. It's like there's a level of fulfillment about it. It's not happiness. That's not a complete enough concept.

1:58:38It's not like achievement. That's also not complete enough. It's embodied. It's more wholesome. It's more complete. We have this one avocado tree that's just, it's so good, man. It's like one of those dry avocados that it's not watery or wet at all. It's really dry and fatty. And I think of the day I planted that thing up in the forest. It's up in the jungle. It's actually off our property. It's up in the jungle up there. And it's just kicking them out. Kicking them out.

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David “Avocado” Wolfe is a prominent figure in the alternative health and wellness movement, best known for his advocacy of raw food diets, superfoods, and holistic living. He has dedicated over 30 years to exploring the world’s most potent foods and natural health practices. The best-selling author of books such as Superfoods: The Food and Medicine of the Future, The Sunfood Diet Success System, and The Beauty Diet, Wolfe has also appeared in documentaries like Food Matters and Hungry for Change. He is the co-developer of the NutriBullet and is the visionary founder of the Fruit Tree Planting Foundation, aiming to plant billions of fruit trees worldwide. Through his books, films, and global influence, Wolfe has empowered millions-including celebrities and athletes-with his insights on nutrition, superfoods, and holistic wellness, inspiring a movement toward vibrant health and natural beauty.

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