Dr. Jack Kruse and Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (Part 1)

28:00And you know in quantum mechanics, when you hear Niels Bohr talk, anything you measure, it kind of screws everything up. Okay? That's where you get the uncertainty principle and all that. So here I am back before in that 18 months. All the things that you were all three of us are talking about right now. This is the soup in my head. Before you came Rick and I were talking about soup and chili. Sometimes, soup and chili has to stay around a while before you really get its flavor. And that 18 months as much as it pissed me off, to this day it still pisses me off. I began to realize there was a side of science that I missed.

28:44And the single most important thing, because I didn't forget your question, was that onion experiment. And that onion experiment led to a physicist in the 60s named Fritz Popp, you want to write that name down. Fritz Popp basically looked at what Gerowicz found and remember at that time we had no way to measure light coming from an onion. But guess what happened in Popp's lifetime? He built machines that could do that. They're called photo multipliers. Photo multipliers can take a leaf just like you have here, wreck outside, and you can put it underneath there. And if you look at the blogs that I wrote for you, gentlemen, I showed you pictures of living things, flowers, and you can see the admission.

29:31You asked me a question about the light. I'm telling you, the key to this story is the light that we create inside. Now, you're probably going to see the quantum leap that happened for me at Michelangelo Statue. I realized that I needed to learn more about physics because of mitochondria, electrons and protons. So that meant I also needed to learn a lot more about light. In that 18 months, Andrew, I jumped down a rabbit hole that you can't imagine. It was mostly physics. I became an expert in physics very, very quickly, but it was an expert in the physics that was tied to our surfaces. Eyes, skin, and gut.

30:17And what did I find there? And I know you know this. Pomsi is created by light at all of those levels. That's the chemical that's made out of the six different things. One of them you're going to love. We might as well give you this one now. the chemical that's cleaved right before alpha MSH is beta endorphin. So nature built us to be addicted to the sun. Why? Because the story I'm unfolding for you right now, we cannot remain healthy without the sun. And centralize medicine, Andrew, you know ophthalmology and dermatology are adamant that the sun is toxic for us. In fact, people like your institution have come out on other podcasts and said, if you have a tan, Rick, right now, if you have a tan, you're a bad boy.

31:05You're trying to harm yourself. That is absolutely false. That is completely false. And anybody who says that on a podcast, I want to rip their vocal cords out. I do. There is this idea in modern ophthalmology that I would think you would like, which is that the big, they are clinical trials mainly done in China, but elsewhere as well, that kids that spend two hours or more outside each day have a far lower incidence of myopia and nearsightedness than children. I've heard lots of comments. Yeah, so I think, you know, I'm hoping that the modern field of ophthalmology is starting to come around on the idea that light is bad for our skin and eyes.

31:49Clearly it's key. I just want to touch on a statement you made earlier. I'm sure we'll come back to it, but this idea that we are making we are generating light inside of us that ourselves can generate new light. I wrote the same thing down So this is interesting because I can think of three Possibilities the first one I already know is false based on talking to you Which is that light activates a subset of cells that are able to access light in the eye and the skin and then the rest is just electrical and chemical signaling and that the inside of us is completely dark Okay, that I'm just gonna I'm assuming we agree that's wrong too that sunlight itself is being passed through Lenses and filters into the depths of our body Three partially true partially true, okay, and then three that sunlight is activating cells on our surface That then is transduced in ways that allow other cells within us to generate New light correct That is absolutely correct.

32:51Okay, so two and three are correct number of times false. Okay, great. So the story continues on, Fritz Popb, does the photo multipliers? Now we know for sure that every cell that's alive on this planet admits something called ultra -week UV light. Okay. What does that mean? Now I'm taking to the science today, 2023. What do we know from physics? We know that every cell admits it, But it's very, very interesting. We don't know the spectrum. Why? Because we don't have a photo multiplier that can measure that low. So that's something technology. Like if you have friends in Silicon Valley, because this is big, this is big for me.

33:32It's not gonna stop me, but we need to know this. So you said every cell can generate ultra -week UV light. Correct. And is that the same as heat? Well, remember, UV light can be turned in heat when light hits matter. Remember, there's no heat until you hit matter. So here's where it gets very important for you, Andrew. Once you know that, then you have to start asking yourself a question. And I'm trying to take you to the disbelief and the questions that I had, because I know you're going to have them. I don't think we're going to disagree as much as we... I'm going to give you the answer though, because I'm going to tell you how it happens.

34:13If you look at two and three, you're going to come up with the answer. I gave it to you in the blog. It's WideBand Semiconduction. And it turns out, I didn't learn about that until probably the back half of the 18 months. And what makes WideBand Semiconduction interesting? And this is where you're gonna get pretty horny as a biologist. Has it ever struck you that when you look at the periodic table of elements, that we only use from atoms one through 53, and in atoms one through 53, we don't use any of the certain of those atoms and we use a shitton of others, that it ever strike you as a pattern.

34:52You know, you know better than anybody that our brain picks up patterns. This is the pattern I picked up. Magnesium calcium phosphorous sulfur and nitrogen. They're all in group two, three, and four in the periodic table. And you know what? The key proteins, which we're going to get to. They all had characteristics, okay? So magnesium, calcium, phosphorus, and nitrogen. Yeah, look at a periodic table, like elements that we use. Let me get done doing this first time. I really want, I hope that we have an opportunity. I want to show you guys the blogs. I got my computer here. I want to show you the pictures I put in there, because I'm going to tell you something.

35:32The story I'm laying out for you, this is really important for you to hear. The physics that's important for biology is ammo physics. What does that mean? Atomic molecular organization. So when I realized that this light pathway, coming through the pupil as a perfect black box radiator, was hitting the RPE and the RPE was doing something that light, its target was leptin in the hypothalamus. And then its target was every place where melanin was inside. And I thought about something that was really unusual. I said, you know, birds have almost all their melanin in their feathers. And Therapeutin dinosaurs got through the extinction event.

36:21I said, what was the common tie that got them together? And you'll appreciate this because this is the biology angle. They had their mitochondrial capacity buried to fly. Why? Because they have to disconnect from the earth and fly. How did they survive a block in photosynthesis? They flew to where the food was. The mitochondrial capacity allowed them to do that. Why did mammal survive this event? They were underneath the ground. They were small. All their melanin was in their skin. You know why we were, I should say we, but it was our ancestors. Why we were small? The other that melanin when UV light hits it, fluorescence so that the dinosaurs would see it and they would eat them.

37:03How do we know that? You see him in natural history taught me. that Therapeut dinosaurs are exactly the same, they're hip joint to the same, and we know that birds can see UV light, so that meant dinosaurs could too. So we stayed small. What is the key event that happened? I wanna take you now back to the KT event. You don't have to know a lot, but things that got us to this point, step back. The planet's 4 .6 billion years old. Life is on the planet, 3 .8 billion years, two domains are Kia and bacteria. We go all the way through those two Kingdom, I should say, domains to this very day are pretty much unchanged, not a big deal.

37:47Why didn't they innovate? Well, it turns out the ionosphere or the atmosphere Earth had a change. We used to be a reducing atmosphere filled with carbon dioxide methane. What do you listen to the the the freaks that are in the world economic form today, tell you about gases. Makes the earth hot, right? Well, we know that it was really, really hot. Part of the reason why bacteria and archaea didn't do much is the thermodynamic givens of the planet for 2 .7 billion of those 3 .8 billion years sucked, okay? What changed the great oxidation event? You learned about that, I know when you're training.

38:26What happened in the great oxidation event? One bacteria, cyanobacteria, shows up on Earth. Basically, it takes all the methane out, buries it in below the ground in permafrost. But here's the key event. This is the part you're going to like about why you do CT. When you replace those gases, the greenhouse gases with oxygen and nitrogen, remember, our atmosphere today is filled with 71 % nitrogen, 22 % 21 % oxygen. Oxygen makes it cold. changes what happens in the season and the day depending on the latitude you have. So this has been imprinted through the great oxidation event through every cell.

39:06That's where all your enzymes in mitochondria come from. It's affected all the heen -based proteins. Everything in life has been affected by this outside in. So we're continuing to go on the story. You know the story of Marguelos, the wife of Carl Sagan. She's the one that came up with the theory of endosembiosis, that at one time how we got chloroplasts in mitochondria is back to here and our kea got together and then we made a new domain, the domain that we're from, our kea, you carry us. You carry us, have a nucleus in a big sideoplasm and we got complex life from there. Why do I think Darwin was an idiot?

39:46Not because his idea wasn't good, it didn't go far enough. What Jack's saying is basically cells ate other cells and then we basically have all our eukaryotic cells like Because we're eukaryotes Basically are cells that gulp other cells so like when we think of a single cell The idea is that the little bits inside of the organelles like the mitochondria and the Golgi apparatus and all the things that do things within our cells used to be Separate cells, but they were like gobbled up and now what we think of as a cell is actually cells that ate other cells. And that's true. There's no disputing that.

40:18And what happened, interestingly enough, we deleted the genes in the part that became the nucleus. We believe there's still a fight in science that the nucleus is an archaea, but we now have 37 genes in a mitochondria, only 13 of them, the 13 key ones are the ones that make all the side of proteins. This is sort of like if a person ate another person and then we call that two -bodied thing one person like it would go around in the inner voice would be like hey like you should do this you know that's basically what person eats a person but the other person is still in there. Yeah they're still in there a lot that's basically what all of our cells done they they eat they ate other cells and so now what we call a cell are actually a bunch of cells inside of a larger cell and what Jack saying is that the nucleus which contains the DNA is, he's saying it's disputed as to whether or not.

41:10It came from Arquia or Bacteria. We don't know who's inside who. And it doesn't matter. But it's interesting. You know what is germane to the topic? I'm gonna ask you this. Why would nature do this? So I'm gonna give you the impetus. This is all part of the lefton, Milano -Cortin story that happened in Florence. Just think about it from it. I mean, I'm just gonna give a one word answer. Efficiency? Star changed. We have a G -class star. But you mean what stimulated this change? What's the thermodynamic change? Remember, you're the biologist. I'm asking you to step in my realm as a physicist. Yeah, so the sun is a G -class star.

41:54Correct. And when it gets to its midlife, what do all G -class stars do? They make tempers up more UV light. That was the stimulus to join the two domains of life. Why? Because of the effect that oxygen had on the planet. So we call this event, and Burke, I know you've heard it, it's called the Cambrian Explosion. Why do I always laugh at people who are like Richard Dawkins, neo -Darwinus? They always love to get on Catholics and religious people because you know the shit that we believe in religion he fights with. But guess what? If you believe Darwin, there's no way to explain the K -Rain explosion because literally overnight, 32 -file of life show up in the fossil record.

42:38This happened 564, 65 million years ago. So when did mammals come into this story? 210 million years ago. Remember, that's our clay. That's who this story, that's why we're all here. Okay? When did you say the K -Rain explosion was? About 565 years ago. 565 million years ago. And photosynthesis and mitochondria were built. We think 30 million years, either before or during that event. We don't know that. The guy that you should have on your podcast is Nick Lane from Oxford. He is probably the world expert in mitochondria in your side. The world expert on my side is probably Doug Wallace at Children's Hospital Philadelphia.

43:23And when mitochondria and chlorophyll was made, that's where Rick, your part of the story starts coming in. All these thermodynamic changes are beginning to be imprinted. So what is the conveyor belt of evolution? Cells are just like semiconductor fabs. They use photolithography to atomically organized atoms in the right place. There is a reason for that that answers Andrew's question. Why I want you to understand this process, nature has had 4 .6 billion years in this semi -conductor fab. So another part of the story, Andrew, that I've really not talked about. When I jumped down the rabbit hole and I realized that semi -conduction was a big part of the story, it's because in my research at Vanderbilt University, I came across a paper from 1941 from Budapest that Albert St.

44:34George wrote. And this was right after he won his Nobel Prize for vitamin C when he talked about the TCA cycle. And he said it's very unusual, but I think that all proteins have been selected for some reason because they look like there could be semiconductors. Could you explain for people just a little bit about how a semiconductor works? Yeah, it's pretty simple. So basically, the original story, how did we find semi -conduction? I think that story is actually interesting, too. This is at the turn of the century, right before Albert Einstein writes his, you know, big papers in 1905, Indian scientists named Bose, and we're not talking about the Bose, you know, from the speakers.

45:17He was probably the biggest and best scientist India has ever put out. He took a block, a hunk of silicon, and shined light on it. He had a fan on the desk, and he realized that he was creating an electric current. And when the fan turned, the current would go on and off and on and off. And he goes, oh, this is bizarre. He and his work was stolen by Marconi. Marconi wound up getting the Nobel Prize because he took a lot of people's work, including Tassel and Edison and he created wireless technology. One of the things that Bose actually found back in England, because this is where the work was done, is that if there was impurities or crack in the silicon, that it would change the DC electric current, because that's what semiconductors make.

46:06They can make DC current from light. And it turns out the next part of the story for you, this is really important. I'll say George, he writes this and a very famous, at least in my world. I'd love to know if Andrews ever learned about him because now you'll begin to understand how did a neurosurgeon pick this shit up? His name is Robert O 'Becker. He's an orthopedic surgeon who's three times nominated for Nobel Prize. And there's a reason Andrew does an O 'Bottom. I'm kind of hoping Rick knows a little bit about him because I think Rick's old enough to remember the story. But Becker, basically research was on regeneration.

46:50He was on orthopedic surgeon, he was in nutrition and limb regeneration. One of the things that he did, he actually worked on salamanders because they're highly regenerative. He was able to take their hearts out, redo, regenerate their heart from scratch, did the same thing with their brain with limbs. One of the interesting things that came out of his research, two things. One thing has been lost to science that we're going to talk about today, but it wasn't lost on me. Is that he was able to anesthetize his animals just using a magnet. He used a high gouse, 2000 gouse magnet and put the salameters' sleep before he amputated or took the heart out.

47:26The other interesting thing that he found is that there's a healing blastema. In other words, Lemory Generation, all the basics of how it happens in mammals, he laid out in a series of about six papers in the 1960s. This is the reason why the guy was famous. And one of the things right before this career ended is he proved that you could, to this day, you can ask any plastic surgeon to go back and look in the literature, you can regenerate the tip of human's fingers. It's the only part where our regenerative potential still is there. We can't do a whole arm like a salamander, but it has to do with the semiconductor circuits in the body.

48:07So some of your listeners, some of the people from Stanford University are hearing me talk about semiconductors and like, how do we know that Jack's right even about semiconductors? Well, it turns out the guy that did the work in the 1960s was Robert Obecker. He proved that bone, human bone, is a P -type semi -conductor. Apatite, hydroxyapatite, is an N -type semi -conductor. When you put a current through it, you guess what color light you make? Brown red light. In other words, bone is a diode. What's the name that Rick, you and I know? L -E -D. It's exactly the same. That's the first time ever in the published literature that we know that it's in there.

48:50Well, why did I learn about this? So, Bone is a light emitting diet. Correct. And here's the interesting part. Two copper ions sit in there to rectify the current. Guess who's papers did that? Beckers. All this stuff, when I want you to look at me when I talk to you about this. Do you understand how important this really is? I want you to think about it. If you know what's in bone, as a scientist, I know you're a curious guy. You can only imagine what I was like 20 years ago. You know when I learned about this, when I was a neurosurgery resident, why? Because I was a spine surgeon. And my chairman, David Klein, taught me about one of your guys from UCSF about his work on the media nerve.

49:36He talked about it in a couple of podcasts. Client set to me goes, you need to square what's going on in bone and what he found in the median nerve. He goes, it may be the same thing. Well, it turns out, Becker did, the nerve is a big part of this regeneration process in his papers. He found that the DC electric current runs right underneath the mile end of a nerve and it's imperative to drive the regeneration process. So I started putting this all together, And I'm going, wait a minute, if collagen is the end -type semiconductor and collagen is carbon -based, then I said, I need to start looking this whole semiconductor thing.

50:15What did I find about semiconductor? Because I still am coming back to your muocell answer. I know this is a circuitous walk, but it's a good walk. I said, I looked at the eye and started pulling it apart. And I said, what the hell is a semiconductor in the eye? And then I started to think about the things I learned from Becker and the things I learned from physics, meaning the Silicon Valley guys. And I said, some of the bitch, the answer is it's melanin. And how did I learn about that? I learned about the Bayan gap conduction of light. And this goes to your field because I know you're a big color guy and optics.

50:55Everything based on color is a semiconductor thing. How did I learn about it from the artisod? You'll love this. In MoMA, back in New York, they had the picture that DaVinci did. You know, DaVinci didn't paint a lot of paintings, but the one he painted of St John the Baptist, where he looks very bizarre. And if you see it in the Louvre today, you know this, that's very dark. One of the things that one of those little ladies taught me when I was in third or fifth grade is that the painting wasn't originally that color. He used cadmium yellow to mix it. Then he added cadmium selenium and it changed the color to red.

51:36But over time, over the 500 years, the way you, well three of us see it today, it says dark is this microphone. So when you go see it at the Louvre, you look at it and you go, why would he have painted this? This is such a beautiful painting of this. And it's such a dark background. And I realized that's not what he did. It's because the atoms in the paint, because remember back in DaVinci's day, he used to put make his own paint. But what I learned about a paint collar when I was in fifth grade is that the atoms in the paint were the key. The oxidated? Yes. And the interesting thing is when atoms change their oxidation state, That actually changed our magnetic footprint.

52:22And when it changes your magnetic footprint, it changes the way you work with light. And I started to put all this together. I'm going, Jesus Christ, this is it. Light changes the charge density of semi -conductive proteins in the eye. So we create our own light show. And then I figured out immediately, as soon as I put that together, why Shroen Jeroux wrote, where he wrote in his book, that we're a negative entropy organism? It's because the queerest thing about light, the queerest thing, or should say life, not light, is that we only use atoms one to 53 on the periodic table. We don't use any atom, heavier than iodine.

53:00But within one to 53, we don't use all of them. We only use like 26, but there's some that we use all the time. And these are the ones that Andrew knows, potassium, magnesium, calcium, and they're big in places where big things happen in biology. The other side of the story was I looked at because of Albert St. Georgie, I looked at proteins. You know that humans, we have DNA. DNA only has 20 proteins. DNA only codes for proteins. Then it dawned on me. DNA only codes for semiconductors. And then I said, what's the queerness of these semiconductors? So I went back to basic biology now. I found out there was 500 amino acids actually out there, but life only uses 20.

53:52And in those 20, what was the most special ones? Turned out it was methionine and triptophan. Do you know why? One codon. And DNA, only one codon. It turns out anytime you make a protein in your body, methionine is the start signal. But what is important about trip to fan? Trip to fan is all the key semiconductor proteins in your eye. And then what I do, I looked at the absorption spectra of all the aromatic amino acids. You know what I found? 200 to 400 nanometolite. What does that mean in English to you? That is light more powerful than the Sun emits. So let me ask you something as a biologist.

54:36I'm going to ask you something both of you as a man. I know your answer. Do you think nature makes any mistakes? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Tell me, I know why you were going to say this. I agree with you. Give me your answer. That's what extinction is, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, I'm... You already told me earlier that, you know, Darwin might be... Or is wrong about other things. So I learned how to catch myself. You didn't go far enough. Yeah, you didn't go far enough. Because he couldn't. He didn't know physics. Yeah, I guess I'm gonna qualify my answer, not because I already know you disagree, but I'm gonna qualify my answer by saying that I don't think nature makes mistakes if we don't subjectively rate the outcome.

55:23If we say that the only things that are adaptive are correct and things that are non -adaptive, like leading to extinction of a given species, is incorrect and I'd say nature makes mistakes, but it becomes a little bit of a semantic argument. All right, I'm gonna tell you why. It makes a lot of choices. And I don't think, you know, I or anyone else can say whether or not those are mistakes. Right, but the point that I wanna make to you because I'm glad you answered the way you did because this illuminates the problem that you and I have. This is what I'm telling you, my Eureka moment is important.

56:00The eye, mammalian eye, it's gone through evolution and back, meaning cognitive, the evolution 20 times. So I don't think it was a mistake. The reason I don't think it was a mistake is because the thermal dynamic given's changed. The eureka moment, which is coming, we're coming to it very close, is important for you to understand why me and Rick are right. Nature never makes a mistake. The problem is you and I are taught as reductionists that we have to see it through the lens today and looking back. What did I have to do? This is where Ricks book really resonated with me. I took myself in that 18 months back to the beginner mindset.

56:44I realized that the thermodynamic givens were dinosaurs that flew and mammals and they were little. And this is my people. What was the thing that changed at that time? A rock that was six miles big hit the Yucatan Peninsula through a cube That's 50 by 50 miles wide up into the atmosphere and blocked photosynthesis We don't know for how long? Okay, does this event have a name? Yeah, it's called the KT event Okay, if you don't believe me the hole is still there. That's what the cenote system is All the water in Mexico comes not from rivers comes from the cenotes that is 65 million year rainwater that's sitting in carbon deposits That's deuterium depleted just like this the water your mitochondria makes And turns out that's where mammal started their comeback Okay, so why is the KT event important because the thermodynamic givens of life at that time If photosynthesis is blocked, all of us are pretty smart guys.

57:53You know that the terminal electron acceptor from mitochondria, in the two animals that made it through, which was theropod dinosaurs and mammals, is oxygen. What makes oxygen? Rick, the tree outside, right? So if that was interrupted, how could you make it through? I gave you the answer about birds. They were able to pick up where the fires weren't, where there was still food, fly to it. But those little creatures in the ground that are ancestors, how in the hell did they do it? Make their own life. Yeah, but guess how they did it? Wow. Early mammals had all their melanin in their skin. They stayed underground and hibernated, so they were basically nocturnal to stay away from the dinosaurs.

58:38This was an advantage and they were small. They didn't need a lot food to go, but what was the stimulus? The story goes back to Gerwitch. What did he find? Every time a cell undergoes mitosis in the cell cycle, you have to have UV light. Mammals lived in a planet in the beginning at the KTVVat where there was no UV light. So what did they do? They took their melanin because Mr. Uberman, listen to me here, where is melanin come from? Neuroactoderm, right? Yeah, just as a real brief aside, if I may, I was an early graduate student. So year 1998, I go to a meeting in Washington, DC and a guy named Iggy Prevencio, stands up and says that he thinks he's discovered the, basically the broadly speaking, the pigment in the eye that allows us to set our circadian rhythms broadly speaking.

59:34And everyone's excited because no one's been able to find this pigment. we know it's not in standard photoreceptors. You can rip out the back of the eye and we and other animals will still do this. In fact, people who are patterned blind can still do this. And then he tells us about melanopsin. Sounds cool. It's opsin in it. Sounds like any other opsin, like road opsin or et cetera. And then he tells us that it is essentially homologous to frog melanocytes. So he shows a picture of a frog. Basically, we have the same stuff of frog skin. And so we're clear for everybody listening. Frogs are amphibians, not mammals, not our tribe.

1:00:12And then if, and now we know that the molecular, so he's right, turns out he's right, and doesn't get enough credit for that discovery. But he does for me, because I've read his papers. Right, and he's a real good guy. And maybe too good a guy, he should have fought harder for recognition. But we're talking about him now, so that's great. And then what's really interesting is, as people then sequence that ops, use modern sequencing the sequence that option. What they find is that it's what's called a rabdomeric option, which is essentially the same options that insects use. So we have insect biology and what is the equivalent of strong melanophores in our eyes.

1:00:51You know what else is important about insects? They see you if you like. That's how they know to bite you because you admit it. So, do you understand this trend? So I want you to remember, Gourwitch, this is the key part for you. The onion. The onion is the story because you never read it. But the other part that I know you didn't learn is that the mitogenic radiation that we use to get the cell cycle through to divide is mitosis. Here's where your disbelief is going to come. I just want to know the part where we start rubbing up next to courts in order to generate light within ourselves. Well, but every medical student, you know, this is a sidebar to the story, but I like the sidebars because I think it fills in the gaps.

1:01:37That's something I learned from Rick's book that we need to talk about either sidebars and throw it all together. So you never know. You never know what somebody else is gonna get, but I want to give you guys in total how this happened to me. Because the story is unbelievable. I can't believe it.

1:01:58get emotional about it. So the little creatures take the melanin and they internalize it. Now, did they hibernate? No, let's tell you why. This is really, they were. They had the ability to hibernate. That's not the critical part of the story. I want you to understand. The UV light. And the mammal, and I'm focusing on him now, because he needs to get this. Okay. If you suspend your belief for a minute, because you're going to have to, that gurus and pop and Roland van Wick, that's a new name for you. In his book called Light Scolting Life, are correct. And ultra -week UV light is what stimulates mytosis in all cells.

1:02:47Okay? That means mammals are neuroplastic in their neuroectoderm. And what does that mean? That means cell migration in the body and mammals is possible. So mammals were able, when they lived in a world 65 million years ago that had no UV light, they were able to take them a lot of sites and put them inside themselves. So just to explain to Rick and Peele, so mitosis is a part of a process where cells can divide, and then cells can migrate within the body, but typically not long distances. Like, people generally don't believe that, I should say. Okay, so... Stop for a minute. Is that true about immune cells?

1:03:31Tell me about the process of diapodesis. Yeah, so certain cells, excuse me, certain cell types can migrate long distances in the body. In general, we don't think about neurons stop migrating long distances. Stop for a minute. So, I talked to you about nuclei, and I talked you about white blood cells. Do you know that in rats and humans what we found? Do you know that palm sea is present in white blood cells? Did not know that. Yeah. So guess what? You just gave the conventional wisdom advice. There's a reason that white blood cells can go really far. It's the same reason that melanocytes can. Diapodesis is the remnant of neuro -ectodermal ability still in mammals today.

1:04:13We used that with us two to four million years ago. the transition from chimp to ape, really, I should say chimp to human, you're going to hear as part of this story. It's actually a story about melanin. We have three types of melanin in us. Why don't you tell the audience what those three types are? We've got an alpha melanin. You melanin, fio melanin, and neuro melanin. Do you know what the difference between those three are? how the semiconductor is doped. One uses nitrogen, the other one uses sulfur, and the other one uses phosphorus. I remember I told you about the periodic table. Here's the other interesting thing.

1:04:54We have three guys right here. I don't have anybody else we can, oh, we got somebody we can use. Rick has more of one type of melanin. You and I have another, and my nurse and her hair, your hair too, has neuro melanin. And it turns out now we're back to the semiconductor story. Anything that's dark, okay? What does that mean? It absorbs all frequencies of light, not visible light from RF to cosmic radiation. Why would that have been important, dark to Uberman, on the planet 4 .6 billion years ago? Because guess what? Cosmic radiation got into Earth. Melon and that story goes way far back. Why is this really important for Rick?

1:05:42Inside the human cochlea, which is shaped as a spiral is what? Melonin. Everybody thinks in neurology that we hear the way they think we hear. I'm going to tell you that you hear light and we transmit the light into sound. And it turns out this is the reason why Jent the Mison causes hearing loss. This is a gentimizing, is a antibiotic that we don't use anymore. But do you know why? What's an endolemph? You know the endolemphatic duct, this is not for you now, this is for him. Endolemph is this like viscous stuff that's in the cochlea and vane becky see in these guys discovered the way that the, you have these hair cells that deflect and cause electrical potentials that we think of as hearing.

1:06:29You think vane becky see us wrong? Well, take away your Von Becker's his no -hell. So what what do you what did you learn biology just that I did? What is what is the crazy thing about end -alif that still to this day in? I have to enter a form of it. I have to say something that I realize the reason that Jack is so angry with Andrew is because he's angry at himself Yes, but for he understood it correct. That's what it is true. It's the it's the frustration of why didn't I know this? Yes, why weren't I taught this? I know him a smart guy and I have to tell you, I can't believe how freaking stupid I was to buy the line of bullshit for four years.

1:07:07That's what's happening here. And I know that you were gonna time travel. This is what he made. Yes, no, this is what's happening. That's what I look at as you. You've got a really popular podcast out there. And I don't give a shit about your audience. I'm gonna be honest with you. That's probably not what you wanna hear. But you know what I do care about? I know that you're the dude that the kids at Stanford are gonna listen to. and I want to tell you something so that maybe I can suspend your disbelief, that you can go fact check Uncle Jack and find out, am I really crazy? Or maybe is there something to this?

1:07:40No, I don't think you're crazy and I'll tell you why I don't think you're crazy because a year and a half ago, I read, I listened to a book called The Prince of Medicine about Galen. And which is essentially it's really dense, but it's basically a story of the history of medicine and the fact that he went to Egypt where he could dissect bodies because he couldn't do that back home and he was working on gladiators and, and basically you discover it's that medicine and biology have been constrained by human and social factors. And I'll just say it, political factors, that basically have limited discovery at every step.

1:08:18The other thing that I know from my own experience is that, and you know, and I was fortunate enough to say this at Stanford a few nights ago, because they had this big donor event, and there was a very, let's say politically diverse group of people in the audience. Think about every major political group in the same room. By the way, these people do gather in the same room around certain topics like their health. And I said to them what I'll say now, which is that one of the best things and worst things about science is this notion of lineage. So like the guys I worked for, worked for the guys that got the Nobel Prize for Neuroplasticity, David Hubell and Torrance of Weasel.

1:08:55They didn't discover Neuroplasticity, but they made important contributions. One of the problems with people needing to do their PhD and postdoc is they publish papers and they need someone to review those papers and grants. And so what ends up happening is you get these silos that build of a more silo type arrangement. In other words, it's hard to really do anything new because there's literally no one who understands what you're talking about. Can I interrupt you? So all I'll say is that I'm of the mind that science needs to change. And I agree with you, Ed. But it's everything. It's not science.

1:09:28It's not medicine. It's everything. It's the arrogance of humans who think they know something and that something is everything and they're wrong. Right, and the only way to truly quote unquote make it in a field is to stay within that channel plus or minus 10 to 15 degrees of latitude. And you know, one of my great hopes for the podcast was always that I'd eventually have a conversation like this that would eventually allow me to run something, like you said, run something back to my colleagues because I think at their core, real scientists and physicians want the truth. We're curious. But they're also, but they're also career driven.

1:10:09They're career, which is not mean they make stuff up, but they are willing to not to put the blinders on. Cause it's really inconvenient. But they are in a system that tells them what's true. And if the system tells them what's true and it's not true, how could they ever have a chance? Well, you and I sat down with a good friend of mine who's a neurosurgeon, he's chair of neurosurgery, you see us now, and he changed. And right this year we're gonna talk about any change because you know what? I'm gonna hit you with this you guys all three of you talked about when he took the cheer matter broke his area And he couldn't believe how much he took This story that I'm unfolding free right now actually answers that question.

1:10:49Oh fantastic Well, he I've known him since I was nine years old and he would you guys were up together and he yeah we grew up together and and Rick and I sat on Rick's porch about eight months ago and Rick asked Eddie He said, what percentage of information that's present in medical textbooks that you do think is wrong? He said 50. And he said approximately 50. Totally, doesn't know. And then Rick said, what do you think the implications of that are? And Eddie said, incalculable. Now, and listen, Eddie, I've known him since we were nine years old, more than anyone I know wants to do right in the world.

1:11:23So he's not saying that to be controversial. He's not saying that to avoid controversy. I think that every good physician, like Eddie, like you, understands that the system that they were educated in is largely ignorant to many, many things. But I think the number one issue, at least in centralized medicine, actually comes down to profit. Like I'm talking about modern medicine last 50 years. Before that, I would agree with you, science has a problem. But when I wanted to interrupt you earlier, It's not because I was trying to be an ass. I want you to, I want to pose this question to you. Because you and I are both biology people.

1:12:02Don't you find it a little bit interesting that in 1905, a patent clerk from Bern could publish four papers that completely blew up physics? I mean, I want you to think about it. You know that you and I cut our teeth on randomized control clinical trials. Einstein did thought experiments in his head and wrote four papers. It's amazing those papers were ever even looked at. Correct. But you know the funny thing is out of all those papers, do you know out of all of them, which is the most cited paper? I don't. Brownian motion. It goes towards a lot of the things that hopefully you'll learn in biology, but the one that other the other um sacred cow I want to slay is you have heard the term many, many times, because I know I have Occam's razor.

1:12:56Partimony. Right. And tell me, and I'm asking you this question, because in my journey to figure out this left in prescription in the Leopthomalonocortin pathway, this was one of the biggest things I had to overcome. Tell me what is Occam's razor about the photoelectric effect? I couldn't tell you. All I know is Occam's razor is parsimony, meaning that the sim, Occam's razor posits. I don't want to say I did because I'm learning to catch myself. The Occam's razor posits that the simplest explanation is the the best one. But and here's the thing the greatest physicists of the time, Helmodes, Plunk, Boar, all of them, a patent clerk.

1:13:36Think about what's in Rick's book, the essence of it. He took paradox, the same thing that DaVinci and Michelangelo did. And he turned it around and looked at it. So what happened to me? I looked at the paradox of the in the photoelectric effect. I looked at what Einstein really found. And he said, well, obviously it's only electrons are excited by light. So that's that part of the story. And it's not every part of light that the photoelectric effect works on. UV. You got it. And guess what? But UV drives all non -linear optical programs. I found that out in my journey. So I'm going, guess what?

1:14:25The brain is a hydrated carbon -based quantum computer that runs via wide -base semi -conduction. Why is the wide -base thing I keep coming back to it? I left you off before we got on this tangent, this happy sidetrack, endolumphatic duct. Tell me what you learned about an embology that makes it special. It's the one tissue in the body that has an unbelievable ionic character. It's loaded with potassium. Do you know what potassium makes when it's with chloride? A wide -based semiconductor. When we record from neurons, when we want to record electrical potentials from neurons, neurons, we basically fill a little tuba glass, poke it into a cell.

1:15:14These are really small tubes as Jack knows, and fill it with potassium chloride. Because the potassium chloride is kind of contiguous with the inside of the cell. So you're essentially becoming part of the set, trying to become part of the cell so you can listen to the inner workings of the cell. Correct. But the interesting thing is, and I again, I apologize to you. It's all good. something that I hope you take back to Eddie Chang that you guys sit down and talk about. You never got into this with Eddie. He's the only podcast that I've actually listened of yours full through. Why? Because he's neurosurgeon, I'm interested.

1:15:53The thing that made neurosurgery great from its beginnings to now was a guy named Yasi, Yasi Gil.

1:16:03He basically first came in, I told you this is my comfortable position because I sit in the microscope to operate. So I'm feel like I'm doing this right now. For those listening, Jack is straddling the, well, the microphone's up near his mouth, but he's sitting, yes, exactly as a surgeon would. Right. He's dissecting our brains. Right. And what I'm basically telling you, again, I'm folding the story for you. It's the left and the right and right and right. Is brain surgery without a scalpel? That is how I've described it in podcasts that I've done it before. And I'm trying to tell you, that's literal and figurative.

1:16:40I mean it. So anyway, the calcium chloride is in your endolump. What does that do? It creates light that goes from the very extreme low frequency UV light all the way up. So guess what I realized right away? That's the reason my life picked the four -hour amount of Camino acids because the absorption spectrum marries to calcium, magnesium, sodium, and all the semiconductors that are in there, nitrogen, carbon, sulfur, and phosphorus. Yeah, I need to take a step back here or a pause just because I want to make sure, I know how important this is, because I've heard you say it on multiple podcasts, and I want to make sure I internalize it, and I haven't done that yet, not because I don't believe it, but because I just haven't internalized it.

1:17:27You talked about DNA as a magnetic strip. I'm sure we'll come back to that. You're talking about the base pairs that make up DNA, the code for life. Yeah, AGCT are a fall, are activated, basically do their business within the visible spectrum of light, meaning the visible spectrum of light to us. No, I would tell you that it goes deeper than that. It goes right to the start. To the UV. It goes to 200 all the way to, I think 7 .6 and we can't see down to 200. No, we basically go up around what like 390 390 that that's why I said you know This is also in Rick's book Rick says you you don't have to see all the reality But again Rick's not a scientist But what the retina sees is not what the sun provides and it turns out guess what what a cell seeds sees is Not what the sun provides.

1:18:15That's the story right. That's the osser girl story. What am I trying to tell you? Eddie and I both know that neurosurgery changed when the operating microscope went in. What was the difference? We could see at smaller levels to do better surgery. What am I describing to you happened to me at David Statue? I went even smaller. I went down to the atomic organization inside of a cell, not the protein level, not the macronutrient level, not even the mitochondrial level. We're talking about all the way down to the periodic table of elements and then what happens with water. So you went ultra reduction.

1:18:58Yes, totally, but I had to also realize that the things that I was learning in physics at the time, okay, because what I did effectively is very similar. I stole this from Einstein. I always tell people the foremost important scientists to me were Einstein, DaVinci, Michelangelo, and Robert Obecker. Those were the four people that have defined my life. And find them in two. I got to put number five in. Find them in was big when he won the Nobel Prize in 65. Why? Because most of what I believe is tied to find him in his work in QED, which is quantum electrodynamics. The point that I was trying to make to you is I took all these things that happened to me from my knee and me being fat.

1:19:45And I disbelieved what I thought was true that I could use neuroplasticity To actually lose weight if I embraced sunlight and cold and what that I learned about cold because this is for U -Rick What does cold fundamentally do? It increases the amount of UV light that wide -based semiconductor's emit in other words We make more powerful light than the sun creates Inside what does that mean? 1944, Irwin Schrodinger, what do you say? Negative entropy. How do you slow time down? You would have to have light more powerful than the Sun to do it. Then what did I realize? How do we capture light? I gave you the answer for Rick in the ear.

1:20:29What is Melan and next to in the ear? What is it next to in the eye? Water? What do they use in nuclear reactors? Water. I said, oh shit. Water has a huge heat capacity. I learned that when I was in thirded grade. So then I started to look at water and I found Martin Chaplin. I found Jill Dusey. All these guys are biophysicists. They're all physicists by training. I learned that water changes when light hits it. I didn't know that I thought water was H2O. Then I found out that water can be deuterium -2O. And then I found... Easy water. Right. And then I started to find out that humans keep keep all their deuterium in their blood and mitochondria, which innovated photosynthesis for people.

1:21:17I don't know how you're going to do this with the sound engineer, but this is what I tell people. This is photosynthesis and this is a mitochondria. It's spider jumping on a mirror. You take and photosynthesis sunlight, carbon dioxide and water and create sugar. Midecondria takes sugar and turns it back into carbon dioxide and water. What's the difference? The focus of the lens is on the lens. Photosynthesis uses the hydrology cycle on the planet, both H plus and Duteron. But guess what biology does? All those things that you learned in biochemistry about the eight -ends amatic steps in glucose metabolism.

1:21:55Did you ever wonder why in the hell are we built this way? It's a very simple answer. It's because we have to eliminate the Duteron. Because it turns out when you eliminate the Duteron at the mitochondrial matrix, Where you make water at Cider Crumseoxidase comes deuterium depleted, changes the dielectric constant. I just recorded an episode on water, you're gonna hate it. But who did you record it with? Just it was a solo episode, but here's what's great about having a podcast. We can get you on to square the story. Yeah. Well, but I wouldn't say square the story because you know what I think.

1:22:30I mean, I didn't, I didn't, I don't think I said anything that counteracts what you said. I did talk about Trump. But you covered this. No, I didn't cover this is what I mean. and I'm regretting that I didn't, but I did cover structured water and fourth phase of water and some of that. So I touched on some of that. But I'm going to tell you I want you to change that. Rick doesn't know this yet, but I'm going to tell you that since the last time Rick and I worked physically together was 2015 with the vegan. We won't mention the vegan's name. But Rick at that time wanted me to do the same thing I'm doing with you now.

1:23:00He says, look, I want you to try to help this guy because he's clear he's off to beat in path. And I try to tell Tell Rick, some people you just can't help. You learn that in neurosurgery because your mind has to be open. And I guess the point that I'm trying to tell you about this whole process with me is that when I realized that the answer was at the atomic level, I had to think back to what was going on in earth. Like there's a number in that book that I wrote and I said, I'll tell you what it is. It's the story of the Chinese board that you had in there. When you come to the game of go, the game of go, when you come to move 37, the KT event was move 37 for life.

1:23:49So what effectively did they do? Because I want you to understand this. When you pull melon and inside, and I told you, the reason why this is important, you have to remember that Gerrrich found that UV light is what stimulates my toses. But if my toses is stopped, then it tells you this is how neuroplasticity works. Then you begin to say, this makes sense for autism. This makes sense for metastasis. What am I saying, Andrew? I'm saying that mammals invented metastasis to survive. We look at metastasis as a negative connotation pathway because we look at it from cancer because that's what we see in the modern world.

1:24:29just so that people, so during development, we all undergo tons and trillions of trillions of mitotic cycles, cells divide, right? It was sperm egg, egg, you know, and basically we are here because cells can divide. But at some point after development, no one knows where to draw that line, conventional biology and medicine have decided that cell replication, unless it's, you know, to heal a wound or something, is metastasis, right? I mean, we, the idea that you don't want your glial cells metastasizing means you don't want them duplicating. So, but one thing before you go any further and this won't be a long tangent I promise is, what I'm starting to realize with you is that you're not necessarily saying that anything that, like I was taught, is wrong.

1:25:18So you're saying is we're just not looking in the right places. Those aren't the answers or the complete answers. But do you know where it starts though? I want this is this is one of my goals to come meet you I'm gonna tell you where we go off the rails because you are a researcher and you know this I told you Doug Wallace is one of the people that I really respect He's the guy that figured out maternal inheritance of of mitochondria this obviously is the story I'm laying out for you is a big mitochondria all your D. All your mitochondrial DNA comes from your mom right so What Wallace effectively is said?

1:25:50This is why I laughed when I heard you guys talk with Eddie Chang if you would ask me the same question, yes, Eddie Chang, I would have said less than 1%, and I would have said, it's the reason why modern medicine people keep getting sicker because we do everything the wrong way. The question I asked Eddie Chang was in today's medical books, how much of what's being taught in today, at the moment, how much of it is right and how much of it is wrong. And he said, Eddie Chang said 50 % which seemed insane. And then you asked him what the implications of that were for human health and he said incalculable.

1:26:29Incalculable. And Jack is saying that he's being too kind by 50 by 49. No, the magnitude is million folds. And let me explain to you the implications because I want to get back to what I just said to you. Because this is what moved me. Yeah. When I realized that metastasis is how mammals and therapy dinosaurs got through, they survived. They were able to increase the bandwidth. They created their own light inside when the sun couldn't create it. And melanin was the key to the story. Why? Because melanin is the darkest pigment on this planet. It absorbs all frequencies of light. So if you could create your own light inside, you could get through that event.

1:27:14So you can imagine, Andrew, the first thing that I thought of when all this was in my head, I still haven't had my Eureka moment. I said, you know what I need to do to prove to see if I'm right. I need to go home and find a black person who's got Vidal I go. And you happen to know one of those guys, Michael Jackson who's now dead. I found that person. You know what my crazy question was before I did this biohack on myself? I said, how long? If the KT asteroid was six miles wide, how long was photosynthesis disrupted to cause this process? I thought, you know, from the books I had read, they said anywhere from 100 to 1 ,000 years, I'm going, that's kind of impossible to have the food chain disrupted that long for animals to survive.

1:28:03Because remember, all the food web and this plan is tied to photosynthesis contrary to what the food girls tell you. The interesting part of the story is to answer the question, I took this lady, I put her picture in your blog that I wrote for you. I was able to do it in three months. I used UV light, put it on her white areas, and all her melon and pigment came in. So you cured her Vidal I get. What's gone? But guess what? You go to the dermatology clinic at UCSF or Stanford, and they'll tell you that is bat shit crazy. Yeah, there's no cure. They'll tell you who's no cure. They're going to give you something from, you know, Allegra.

1:28:39Yeah, use this. Now, it also brings the other situation. You're probably now thinking, does this explain malasminal in people? That's another disease that dermatologists have nothing to do. Why? Because you know what you're doing? You're effectively stealing your melanocytes from inside your head and putting it on your face. And what stimulates that? Blue light. You know what's pro growth from melanocytes? Blue light. Subtract it from the red. This is one of the problems you and I do have. Blue light by itself is the light that we create. Modern lighting is exactly the same as the KT event. Here's the difference now.

1:29:16Mammals have most of their melanin inside their brains. So when you lose it, think about all the people that you've talked about on your podcast about dopamine problems. before you came, I told Rick that his book is basically the study of human frontal lobe development from schizophrenia, which is dopamine to the max, but the voltage -gated channels are kicking it out like crazy. The best way I could describe it to you, it's because I want you to get this. I thought about this when I had a dream about coming here to talk to you guys. It's comparing acid metal to pink Floyd. Pink Floyd being depression, which is low dopamine and big huge spikes.

1:30:01Everything I read in your book, you have been associated with people that have the gamut of dopamine. I want you to know that dopamine is created by phenylalanine, etyrosine, the two aromatic amino acids, 200 to 400 nanometer light. The people that you have sampled through their skin, their face, your interactions with them. Every single, you've sampled every single one of them, you're entangled to them. Their music is in your hydrogen bonding network of the water that's produced in yourself. When we did your biohack, the first thing I thought of, I have to turn him onto methylene blue and explain it to him because I have to protect if his brain goes south in that surgery, I need to protect the hydrodembodding network because you are the master tape.

1:30:52Can I tell this story to Andrew? Because what? Does he know it? No. So Andrew, just, you know, I was sworn to secrecy not to talk about this. OK. And this actually happened at your institution. So I just want to let you know. If you tell me not to say something, I'm pretty good, right? I won't say. Yeah. No, I, I, well, I was personal about the whole thing. And I want to tell you the stories. Yeah, I want to hear this story. So I was going in for open heart surgery, which is a big thing. And I was going to be put out for, I don't know, six hours. And I remember... On pump. Remember, the pump is the big part of this story.

1:31:28And I remember my surgeon was excited to tell me, and I might even get to freeze your brain, which I think he did do. You probably have an idea why it works. So I spoke to, oh yeah. Now it does make more sense. So, and this all happened because ITIA asked me to get a test. I called IT. He's like, I think you got to do this test because I did the test and the person who did the test called, I was with ITIA when the test was done. And then the guy called, he's like, you guys got to come back here to the lab. Go back to the lab. Look at the, they're having a medical conversation. I'm not sure if they're talking about the numbers and they're like, okay, you need open heart surgery as soon as possible.

1:32:16Not emergency. But as you know, like within the next two months, and I said, why, I'm fine. I feel fine. And they said, your, the chances are 50, you have a 50 % chance that over the next year, you'll fall down. And if this happens, you'll fall down, you'll have to go to the hospital. And if you get to the hospital in, I can't remember what it was, maybe 45 minutes. If you're at the hospital within 45 minutes, you'll have a 50 -50 chance of surviving. And you have 50 % chances that it'll happen this year. And you'll have that forever more. So I'm thinking, well, sometimes I fly to Europe, what happens if it happens on the plane?

1:33:06What happens if it's like I don't always have 45 minutes and I live in some pretty remote places So they they I was convinced to do the surgery which is very much against my character as you know my appendix person I still have my appendix which was a a questionable thing at the time so I'm going into the surgery. I'm scared. This is not my area of comfort doing surgery. I'm needle phobic I'm needle -phobic, and edition everything else. And I call some friends of mine who I feel like know things that maybe the surgeon at Stanford, who's the best in the world, still might not know. And I call Jack Cruz.

1:33:49And Jack Cruz said, this is what I want you to do. And he was very clear about it. He said, I want you to ask your surgeon if he'll do this. And if your surgeon says no, don't fight with your surgeon. because you don't want to go under the knife with someone who you're having a disagreement with. Smart. Yeah. So if you won't do it, it's okay, but it would really be good for you if you can get them to do it. So I call it, I teah after what he wanted me to do was have an IV of methylene blue going during the surgery. And Jack said because the heart surgeon is going to be focused on your heart and keeping you alive and I'm focused on your brain.

1:34:31I'm going to be in surgery with you through the methylene blue. Yeah. So quantum engineering 29 is that story. That's Rick's story. Yeah, I want to, I definitely want to make sure that we talk about methylene blue. I need to learn about that. So let me tell you what happens. The rest of the story, I call ITIA and I say, a friend of mine recommends that I get methylene blue IV during the surgery. and he's like, don't even ask. If you ask the surgeon this, he'll think you're crazy and not want to operate on you. We're lucky that we got you this surgeon. He's the best in the world. Don't set, don't ask.

1:35:09Can't help myself, I ask. And the surgeon said, absolutely not. And this point was interesting when he said, the reason you came to me is because the odds that I get when I do the surgery are five times better than everyone else in the world who does it. If I were to go to a hospital, I would have a 5 % chance of dying randomly for this surgery, and with him I have a 1 % chance just based on his lifetime records. Like five times better odds. He said the reason my odds are that good is because I do it exactly the same way every time. He's a semiconductor factory. That's what he is. That's what surgeons are.

1:35:55But guess what? The best part of the story for me was when did you get to put in the methylene blue? No, no. And then, but I've been taking it orally ever since Jackson. Just because it's still to this day. And then I did a, after the surgery, I did Peter IT as podcast. And the only place I've ever talked about surgery publicly was Peter I think, because it's personal, doesn't, sure. There's no reason for me to talk about it. Has nothing to do with what I do in the world. It does, though. I talked to Peter for two hours, more than two hours, and we talked about surgery at the end, and then he said, this is six months after the surgery, and he said, do you remember?

1:36:34You called me with that crazy idea about methylene blue. Well, I've been doing research lately, and it turns out Jack Cruz was right. It would have been great for you to be on methylene blue. Oh my goodness. So it's like even from the naysayers, they come around when they have the data. And that was a big, and I remember I said, yeah, I think I said your message like, well, what was there was it was it was a committee of physicians who, you know, represent a lot of a lot of different domains of and looking through different lenses into the same problem. I just will confess I know, like, basically nothing about my Thelene Blue, except I think I used to use it to clean my fish tanks when I was a kid.

1:37:21Well, you will. Yeah. There's a reason that you use it for that, and it works great for that. But guess what? It goes back to our story. So, when I told you that this Leapton Milano Court in Pathway was basically fed by an anterior semiconductor conductive circuit from visible light so that you could create very low frequency UV light between 200 and 400 nanometers, the idea that happened at Michelangelo statue, I was like, wait a minute. If I'm right, I'm going to write all this stuff down. I'm going to go home and I should be able to lose weight. I didn't believe anything about what I had found, but But I could not argue with what I found and faced with conventional wisdom.

1:38:10I already went to my primary care doctor and he told me to eat less than exercise more and it didn't work. I put 30 pounds on. I said, why don't I give crazy a shot? Nothing to lose. All right. So I wasn't in it. And guess what? 11 months I lost 133 pounds. You're going to tell us what you did. Yeah. It's called the leptin prescription. It's on on my jack cruise .com site. Six steps. If you read it, you'll never see anything that we're talking about today. That blog is just like Rick's book. It's written with words without science. Why? Because I knew if I told you the truth, you'd get the same story that you got from Peter Adia or your surgeon at Stanford.

1:38:50So what am I laying out to you today? All the details of what's in the left in prescription. So the left in prescription tells you what to do, but it doesn't tell you why. It doesn't explain it. It's just, this is what I did, and these were my results. And Andrew, just so you know, to this very day, I still haven't told Rick why I'methaline blue. Can I just want to put something in here? And I want to be clear as to why I'm saying it. At no point today, am I here to like contradict or support anything you say just to like make friends or make enemies? Like, because I was thinking about this driving over and I was trying to embrace the like the spirit of why we're here.

1:39:37And I realized like it would be foolish of me to do that because it might win me something in the short term with you. Like you might feel like, oh, we have resonance. But in the end, I know you'd, even though we don't know each other very well at all, I know you'd be somebody who like doesn't want that. Like so, but so if I say something that validates, I just want you to know it's because it pops to mind. It's like, oh, this fits. And if I say think something that doesn't, I'll say that too. I'm not saying that. And to want to understand why, like this doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, that's the right question.

1:40:09So I won't make this a long story, but after the Igi prevents you with thing, I years later I got interested in the circadian photo regulation system and seasonal rhythmicity too, which is to me, even more interesting, right, at some level. And I became really good friends with a guy named Samarhattar, who just by way of credentials is he's the head of the the Chrono -Bialogy Unit, the National Institutes of Mental Health, and made a lot of the important discoveries about intrinsically photosensitive cells in the eye, melanopsin, et cetera, picking up on the early discoveries of Iggy. He's a Lebanese guy, very, very interesting, very committed to biology, and he made some of the first animals where transgenic animals where the cells that make these opposins are labeled so that you can see them.

1:40:54And of course, they're in the eye, and they're in the very cells that Iggy hypothesized, they would be there, et cetera. It all works out. And it works out in human too when you look at the eyes of humans. But here's what's crazy and amazing and cool in light of today's discussion. The brains of those animals also contain cells that express melanopsin. And so in other words, these, you know, there's a dogma that I now think is false, but the dogma is there is, quote, unquote, no extraocular photoreception. that unless something is on the surface of the body, it cannot respond directly to light.

1:41:32And in birds, yes, in other amphibious, but in humans, no extracurricular photos. That's the idea. That's the dominant. When you say on the surface of the skin, do you mean only through the eyes? Through the eyes. Or the skin. Or the skin. On the cornea now, we know that Neurobson there, which is an illumination detector for UVA light, but he's now popping another discussion that I didn't think we're going to have. But we're going to have it now. Yeah, talk about the mice of bio so Samar show micro biome is doing the same thing and guess what it's target is Sorry about that microbiota. No Yeah, and a chroma fensouse.

1:42:06Where's all the serotonin in your body my friend? There you go So yes, so you're gonna start understanding. Yeah, the pieces are falling together So just to just wrap it to make sure and so he shows the brains of these animals and lo and behold there are melanops and expressing cells in the brain which makes no sense if the light can't get in through the skull. But does make sense if cells are able to generate their own light. Now, I have asked Sam about this. I was like, what the hell is going on with melanopsin in the brain? Like, why would you have photoreceptors deep in the brain if the light can't get deep into the brain?

1:42:39And the answer was, not by him, because I want to leave it open for revision by him. The answer was, oh, it's just leaky transgenic expression, which is basically biology speak for like, I don't know. And that is not very good. It's for, I don't know. So it doesn't mean I don't know. It means the body's making a mistake. But papers have come out in the last few years showing that if you put purple light, I think it was, into the brains, into the hypothalamus of mice, you get direct effects that are independent of the environment of the environment. Correct. Okay. So I just want to like seed that in because...

1:43:17Well, let's see this one. I mean, I look. I am agent pervocator. I came here with the agreement from Rick that he would talk about his surgery With you here because I want to just throw the stuff down So your friend Eddie Chang don't you find it amazing when he does epilepsy surgery or he does say a pallid Automy for Parkinson's what is effectively he doing he's putting a DC pulse generator back into their brain? What is the Sun Tell me It's a cathode ray that creates DC electric current who proves that in the 1960s, Robert O 'Becker at Syracuse. It's not Jack Cruz's opinion. So what did Jack Cruz do at the foot of David?

1:44:02He took all aspects of things that he knew, very similar to what happened in the 1905 paper about the photoelectric effect. I'm trying to make sense thermodynamically of what's really going on in our body. And when I figured it out that we were creating more light inside us, that's when the story got more interesting because you talked about melanopsin. We found out about melanopsin in 2009. We found out in 2017 that it's in every blood vessel. Now we know it's the single number one opsin in the human brain in 2023. three. So you asked the right question. The reason I'm happy is that you're going, does nature make any mistakes?

1:44:53Didn't I ask you that early? Do you see where I'm going with us? So the other thing is I know that you know that we've got melanin in places that just don't make any sense. And we are the most complex mammal on the planet. For you to understand what happened to me, David. It's not a mistake. It's not a mistake. You got to go back to those simple rodents that run to ground. How the hell did they live? Well, the number one thing I now know, this is the only speculation I'm giving you in this podcast because everything I've said to this point, I know to be axiomatically true. It doesn't need to go to a randomized control trial.

1:45:32Do you want to know why? Because the laws that my opinion is based on are physical laws. They're not subject to a randomized and critical. The photoelectric effect is present on Earth just as it is in Andromeda. We know that. So the point that I'm trying to make to you is that once you see this, you see biology through this lens, Rick sees it through his lens in his book. I know how you see it because I used to be you. And what I'm asking you is to do what Gossi Yassergill did to Eddie Chang and me. Let's go deeper. I look at the situation I'm in now. I feel like I have the answers and centralized medicine is being in a burning building.

1:46:22You know, patients are basically meat and the system is, is, you know, making sausage. That's what it feels like to me. That's what it feels like to me as a, as a bystander. Huh? I'm not part of the system. Well, you are. No, you got delayed. Yeah, but against my will. Against my will. If it wasn't for IT as insistence, there's no chance I would have done it. And I even told, I even. Tell me the collateral effects of the, the methylene blue papers when he read them. Because you know, he's a surgeon, but he's not really a surgeon anymore. Now he, now he's on it. Like, I don't know if he's taking it.

1:46:59But then the next thing was, well, how do we get good quality? Like, how do we know if it's food grade? How do we know? It's a pharmaceutical. It's USP rated. You have to have a prescription to get it, but that's the best stuff. You need a prescription to get a healing blue. The good stuff. I use in surgery. What are your thoughts on people taking, um, um, um, malarion, um, um, massage at, sorry, MSH as a peptide. How far? You know, people take it for weight loss into tan. Yeah. You know, you can, there's a peptide called, melanitin, right? Yeah. People take it. It makes them lose fat, get tan, and hair trigger erections.

1:47:34So what I would tell you is it's like being out in the sun, that's, it's interesting. It's work or does it not work? Oh, it works. But here's the problem. So this is when Jack gets a little controversial. I don't know. He's going to feel about it. But this goes directly to the people that support his podcast. I have a very simple roof on my black swan mind of contracts. I tell him, if your body makes it, you're not designed to take it. Why? Because of what I've shared with you already. Because it's about the atomic molecular organization in the cell. So, for example, I know that you're big into supplements.

1:48:07You actually mentioned recently that you take a shit ton of them. And I said to Shantala, I said, hopefully that's something I can get them to change. Because it's a waste of time and a waste of money. But I want you to understand why. So, and it's not that I don't use them in certain places. I will tell you when I use them and why I do it. But I want you to get the gist of why I say what I say so you understand exactly what I mean If you take melatonin and I'm just gonna use this as an example because kids now are using it Well, I'm not a fan. I've gone public saying I'm not a fan of I know you're not using this because I take two milligrams every night Yeah, I'm gonna tell you you're gonna change that probably when you hear what I'm gonna say So if you put my name in a Google box with bio hack 722 I did this literally 17 years ago when I was trying to figure all this shit out That's the perfect way to destroy the photoreceptors in your eye.

1:49:00You thin the retina. You actually start to cause actual AMD. So you don't want to do that. Well, I've discouraged people from taking melatonin mostly because of its impact on some other hormone systems. Right. But it's going to have huge impact. And the reason for that is, remember, melatonin controls autophagy and apoptosis. It's the only two change programs in my economy. So if you screw this endogenous process up, so the analogy that I give to people, if your body makes it, you're not designed to take it, it's equivalent to going and hiring a guy at the gym to do pushups for you and thinking you're getting the benefit.

1:49:38That's the analogy I want you to understand. Now the caveat is, as a physician, is there times where I'll use different substances that I would consider as a for example, the big one that I always get asked about is vitamin D. I don't want the lay public taking care of it, but I can't practice medicine on the internet, because a lot of people ask me questions on Patreon, on Facebook, and Twitter. But I do tell them the reason why is what I just told you. When you take exhaustion as vitamin D, you're downregulating the production in your body. And that means you could be in good sunlight, saying Costa Rica or even in LA, but what doctors are reporting, my people are going out and getting a tan and their vitamin D.

1:50:24Lowe's not going up. What does that tell you? There's something else in the system. The photo lithography that happens in wide -based semi -conduction is broken at some level. So your job is to decentralize clinician to figure it out. So why I think you're important Andrew for me is I want you to understand my perspective so that when you hear me say what I say about supplements, you're beginning to understand that atomic organization inside the cell is really important to maintain. Why? Because if you want to know what evolution is really doing, it's that. That is the key. Like DNA only works with 20 proteins.

1:51:05Those 20 proteins have been naturally selected in a randomized control trial called evolution. That's 4 .6 billion years old. You don't have enough brain power to go against her. It's kind of like you waving your finger. That's how I look at it. So when you see me vehemently push back, say of a tweet or a podcast or I'll say something on Instagram, I want you to understand. I'm not doing it to be an ass. I'm doing it because I want you to understand the perspective. And I don't think anybody will really get it until they understand that we are creating light in us, and it turns out anything you do to alter the band gap of a semiconductor, changes the frequency of light inside you.

1:51:49That changes the game. So what things are on the fly list? I mean, I can think of a near infinite number of things that are on the no fly list because it's going to disrupt these wavelengths of light, but within us and all the downstream processes, but what are some of the things that are on the yes fly list? So I mean, this is something that I'm sure exists on your blog and elsewhere. It does. But great. But great team is one that I'm okay with. What about some of the more basic light viewing behaviors? I mean, is there a general contour to that that you adhere to? Yeah. Yeah. So I tell everybody to make like this thing.

1:52:26So I mean, this was when I first got popular on the internet, I used to have a saying, I don't use it that much anymore, but it's very operational because you're new to me. I used to tell people, you know, make like the Sphinx, all four extremities look to the east. That's why the Egyptians put it there. They knew something about light. The other thing is you eat like a great white shark, protein and fat, avoid the carbs. If you're going to eat the carbs, this is where you and I are different. Eat them in the morning, not in the night. And I'm always willing to update. I eat them at night because they help me sleep.

1:52:54Well, but I will, but why? Because your blue light toxic. And if I had an LED light here and and check your pupil, I can prove to you that I'm right. You know why? You're the neurobiologist, I wanna teach you this. Shine a blue light in your eye and have a red light, okay? Put the blue light in, your pupil doesn't constrict as much as the red light does. You know why? The muscles in the cilia? They express dopamine. They're controlled by dopamine. Blue light destroys melanopsin, therefore it destroys anything tied to this mechanism I told you. So guess what happens? Their pupils stay bigger, but I can prove that it really works when I use a different frequency of light in you.

1:53:32So guess what I just proved? That you have melanin problems in your brain, hence the reason why you do what you do. That's the point that I'm trying to make to you. Centralize, Eddie Chang has never heard that in his life. Explain centralized versus decentralized medicine. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty simple. Centralized medicine is controlled by ivory towers, i .e. Stanford, UCSF, LSU, you know, the places that we're all from, I'm not trying to throw your institution on the bus. Mine is the same way. Decentralize is we use nature as our meter stick. Everything that nature says is axiomatically true.

1:54:10Those particularly like equals I'm C squared, the photoelectric effect, that kind of stuff. That is operational in you. Like you break that law, you got a problem. Why? Because evolution built a cell to be a dissipative, decentralized structure. It takes chaos of light and creates order. That's what it does thermodynamically. That is the flow of entropy. That is the study of circadian biology. So when famous paleo guys 10 or 15 years ago came out and said, you know, food's the most important thing. And I kept doing the Instagram tweet, don't believe the books cover its circadian biology. Well, you can see I wasn't very popular with those guys, but guess what?

1:54:5210 years later, they're all dead wrong and they know they're dead wrong. And a lot of them are gone. Yeah, well, of course they're gone. Because you know what? They were selling half truths, but hence the reason why me and you, dude, you're headed down the same path. And you know what, you're too good for that. I look at you as me, and you have a way bigger audience than Rob Wolff had, or any of the other guys that are podcasts. Not only that, you're tethered to an ivory tower. But the most important thing that I see in Andrew Udmerman is you have brains that you upload that are gonna be doctors.

1:55:30And I got a big issue with that. That's like my number one issue. And I know that when you update your information with the stuff that we're sharing today, you're gonna go, hmm. That's all I ask. I don't want you to become a disciple or a follower. What I want you to do, I look at the interaction between me and Rick when we first met. I let a candle, I shared my flame with him, it cost me nothing, it cost him nothing. I wanna do the same thing with you. But I wanna do it more on the side. I don't care if you like me. I don't give a flying shit. I don't care if you care about me. I believe you on that.

1:56:10Yeah, I don't care if you, if you, if you have bad connotations right, but I am going to demand that you listen to what I have to say because it's important. Can I tell a quick story of the first time I ever saw Dr. Jack Cruz? It was at the very first biohacking event in Pasadena. It's about 10 years ago. Well, that was Asperger's event. Yeah. 14. Yeah. In 2014, and it was so nine years ago, And it was a room, I would say about 400 people, 450 people, crowded. And Jack was speaking and he spoke for about an hour, maybe 90 minutes. And it was enthralling. Everyone in the room was like hypnotized.

1:56:46And then someone said, okay, time limit. But he was still going and no one wanted him to stop. So he's still going. And then eventually Dave Asprey, who was running the convention, came in and he's like, okay, you have to leave now, you have to go. and escorted Jack outside and everyone there, the whole audience followed Jack outside and just stayed with Jack for the rest of the day. And then, a little hours later, they were still on the restaurant across history. Yeah, I was one of those people. And Dave Asperie said to me, I'm never gonna invite this guy back, he ruined the whole convention.

1:57:21Because everyone loved what you were saying and didn't wanna hear anyone else. Well, I mean the amazing I'm glad you brought this up because Dave is one of those guys that I look at my past I don't want you to become Dave You know what I'm saying I don't I don't think you're built that way because you're a scientist Dave's a marketer But this is what when brick brings the story up At that event I told there was medical students there. There was doctors there They had a huge stage in Pasadena. The guy that was speaking had maybe 20 people in the room. He put me in the smallest room. The doors were open, people were hanging.

1:58:04And what was I teaching about? Stuff that we're probably going to talk about soon, which is paramagnetism of oxygen, how it works for mitochondria. And people were like, I never heard this shit before. And I try to explain to them how it worked. But what Dave was really concerned about is that some of the products that he was selling out in the hallway, Everybody knew from what I just said, this is a bunch of horseshit. And you remember what Dave's about? He's a profiteer. Dave is no different than Centralized Madison. He brands himself a different way, but I want you to know that Baxhu Jack has problems with.

1:58:38But I would believe that Dave uses his products and believes that he may be wrong. Oh, I agree with you. I know he believes it. So I don't know. I think it's okay for people to be wrong. I mean, you were wrong up until you were reborn. That's what it's, that's what extinguishers are at all about. I mean, the dinosaurs were right until they weren't. Exactly. Well, I believe in gleaning information from widespread sources. I do. I mean, growing up, I was always hurting myself. So then I got into fitness and I started reading about weight training and this kind of thing. And back then, I mean, do you remember when we, you know, even 15 years ago, and certainly when I was in high school, the only people that lifted weights were football players.

1:59:20or people in boxers, people who want to go to the military. And the only people that did yoga were yogis. Right now there's a yoga studio and my, my late 70s, mother lifts weights, small weights, but she lifts them almost everyone now knows you wanna live longer, you wanna be stronger, you have to do resistance training and you can find yoga studios ever. What I have seen it over and over again, what used to be counter culture becomes mainstream. And so I think that within the realm of science and mental health, physical health, high performance, biohacking, whatever you want to call it, gleaning from multiple sources isn't just better.

2:00:00It's absolutely necessary. So the word that was coming to mind earlier as you were describing your trajectory into all of this and through this is the title of E .O. Wilson's book, Consilience, right? A beautiful word that I do, I think, means, you know, a literally, like a leaping together of ideas. Unfortunately, very few people actually read the book and unfortunately when I read the book, I got very little from it, my apologies to the great E .O. Wilson. But it's a wonderful word and I think it well encapsulates what your experience has been, right, of this leaping together of ideas across an enormously broad range from ultra -reduction, I mean, quantum mechanics all the way up to, you know, evolution and history of multiple species, right, in the galaxy, right?

2:00:44So, But it does. It spans, it's, it's, I try to explain to people that in order to get the true picture of life, you have to look at life like you see a diamond. Like we talked about a diamond before why I keep using a diamond as an acronym because it's carbon based. It's got a high wide band get base, but you look at it and you look at Mel and you go, these things are totally different, but they're not. They're made out of the same thing. The crystal structure is different, but the crazy thing is you're made out of the same substructure. So there's got to be something in a diamond, and there's got to be something in melanin that actually it ties to you at some level.

2:01:28So as a scientist, like I know Rick will do this as the artist, but I said something to him before we started all this. Medicine is a science in art. I think what I did as a neurosurgeon was focused on the science And I think my opposite side of the brain always had this potential, but it's the art of medicine that the Leptin prescription is based around. It's doing brain surgery without a scalpel that I'm more passionate about than when I do it with a scalpel. And that doesn't mean that I don't like doing brain surgery because I do. I still do it to this very day. I find the brain incredibly interesting and it turns out for me patients, operations, diagnosis, MRIs.

2:02:08That's my experiment. Your experiment is a lab. My experiment's on a table in front of me. And patients teach me every day, but I have to be open to the lesson. And what I found in centralized medicine, the way we're taught is that we're not open to it. It's our way of doing things, and this is the way it goes. And what I found through my 60 years, That's not true. It's absolutely not true. It's the biggest mistake we're making in Manuson. And I just look at you as a cosmic tool, because that's what you are. You're like a drumstick in nine -inch nails. And how you're going to hit the drum is important.

2:02:55And, you know, Rick is the expert that can tell you, you need to fix this. This is a problem. I guess what I want to do, because Rick brought you and I together, I want you to understand my perspective. I don't want you to like it or dislike it. I just want you to understand it because I think when you understand it, you can't unsee it once you see it. Well, you put that in the book, but the other thing I really want to get to Andrew is that I know something about me that I know is in him. You're curious. This has got to make you curious. that you've got to sit back and go, especially as a neuroplasticity guy, Jack, you're telling me that freaking neuro -ectaderm, it's still plastic.

2:03:40Like metastasis isn't what we think it is. Like people that have melanoma, you know what it is? It's melanocytes inside, trying to go to the skin to get UV light. It's not what we think it is. It's exactly opposite. Then think about the oncology literature. They say put stuff on your skin to block that. To block that, and then you get cancer. Well, the problem is that you can't make it. If you can't make UV light in your cells, think about what I just said with Gerwitch in the onion. That means mitosis isn't what cancer thinks it is. We make drugs in big pharma at the mitotic level to block it.

2:04:16That's exactly the wrong thing to do because it makes cancer metastasize. It's the opposite. You got it. It's the opposite. And you said that. You said that in a podcast recently. You said it turns out. It's the opposite. If it's the opposite, do the opposite. Yeah. And when I say that, to say if I said this to you on a podcast with no context or I said it to Eddie, like when you guys, when you guys were talking about Eddie and that Broke Isaric tumor, I'll sit there going, man, once you know that melanin can move around, it makes total sense why Broke Isaric wasn't where I was supposed to be.

2:04:47Because the mitosis was broken in that air from the tumor. The tumor informed Broke Isaric, it's time to move. That is retained in your neuroactoderm. Your brain is neuro -ectoderm. You will never get that. Eddie Chang will never get that, Andrew. Well, he might if you tell him. Hey, if you hear that. Well, but that's what we're doing today. But, yeah, you're using him as an archetype. That's it. Yeah, he's, I mean, I think Eddie's pretty open -minded. I mean, he's out there revising the, trying to revise the story on how speech and language exist in the brain. I mean, basically, he's, you know, lesioning, seeing areas of the brain that he could talk to.

2:05:25So a diversion, a clawed Shannon, if you want to the truth. Information information theory. What do you say? Could we do simple explanation of light, magnetism and electricity as it relates to the human body? Uh, yeah. I mean, light, we are designed by evolution for visible spectrum light between 250 nanometers and 760. And that's that's our power. So that's that's what you call in your book, the source, the source. The source is that the key thing is, so the cover makes sense. Totally. I said that to Sean Tull. When we looked at the book, I was like, you know, you don't realize that is infinity in certain cultures, but it also was to me.

2:06:09I see the eye. That's what I saw too. And well, I figured that you would because you're a visual guy, and that's what you cut your teeth on. But, you know, the story, so you get it, you look at an eye, you've looked at an eye multiple times. You ever asked a question? These are the beginner minds, That's that question. Why is this clear or white? Well, the answer is in the band gap. Why? Because what does white do? Reflex all light. Nature doesn't want light in your scleror. It wants it through the perfect black body radii, your pupil, which is black. What do you know about black? Absorbs light.

2:06:41All frequencies of light. What does the anterior part of the visual system do? Focuses the light on RPE. What's an RPE? Melonin. There you go. Okay, what does the RPE do from there? Focuses it on melanin in different tracks in the brain. In fact, if you look at the human brain, more tracks in the human brain are dedicated to light than anything else. Why aren't we talking about light? You said something to earlier that I think was brilliant. We have melanopsin everywhere. Why hasn't somebody in the ivory tower said, why in the hell do we have chromophores? Blue light chromophores everywhere on our brain?

2:07:21I'll tell you, I don't know, but I know it's not a mistake. I think it's because if there's just no path, right? I mean, if it were shown that you could shine light in the brain. And by the way, if people are hearing this and they're thinking, wait, I heard about all these studies, you know, MIT leeway size lab, you shine light in the brain and you can alleviate some of the symptoms of Alzheimer's in that is true in a mouse model. In almost all the experiments involving putting light into the nervous system that are done nowadays, they have they've been introduced algae opposins, cellar red opposins, Haleur red opposins, into those cells so they're not really behaving like our cells.

2:08:04What has not been explored to my knowledge is what the effects of amber light purple light red light green light blue light to neurons or or in the absence of any other manipulation. Well, I'll give you a better one. Let's, let's trumpet. Here comes the gaseous or go moment for you. Every single thing that you believe in a randomized control clinical trial, I throw under the bus. Do you know why? Every single thing you ever done in your life and every other PhD has been done are blue light. How does that, you have no light controls in your studies. So why do you assume you just said out of your own mouth that the human brain has more melanopsin than that.

2:08:44Melanopsin goes 435 to 465, and you've been studying them for 48 years under that light. And before you, guys that won Nobel Prize, it's like, now let's go after a sacred cow. Peter Mitchell, Chemiasmosis. That is a Nobel Prize that should be rescinded. I'm not familiar with that. Everything that happens in a mitochondria, he's the guy that came up with the mechanism. It's a half -truth, but there's a guy that you don't know about who's also PhD named Gilbert Leng, who did studies in the 1950s and 1960s and said, if Peter Mitchell is right about Kimmy Osmosis, it breaks the second law of thermodynamics, not by a little bit, 500 fold.

2:09:28Now back then we had no good way of counting up how much ATP is made, but Gilbert Leng did a pretty good job. And here's the funny part, Peter Mitchell got a Nobel Prize. Now, one machine in biology has ever been made from his work. But from Gilbert Lang's work, guess where the MRI came from? That I use every day. Do you understand why we revere Gilbert Lang? He just died. He was 99 hundred years old, lived in Long Island, just so you know that. Without him, I don't get the best tool that I have ever had. That's like our new microscope in neurosurgery. What's the use of, I suffered depression a period of time and one of the doctors recommended this big magnet.

2:10:17Transcranial magnet. Tell me about that. Yeah, we use shantel and I use that in our TBI clinic. So it's kind of interesting. Light is an electric field and a magnetic field. The way the atmosphere works when the sun is out, electric fields are massive in the ionosphere. You have to look at the atmosphere, not the way everybody looks at it, look at it, the way a physicist looks at it. It's basically an ionic plasma. And it's just like the Aurora Borealis except you don't see it. But it's there. And that's what terrestrial sunlight is. It's filtered, you know, because remember, from the sun, you get the full range of electromagnetism, from RF to cosmic rays or gamma rays.

2:11:00The filtering prospect happens through the atmosphere to get there. So when light falls to us, it's 250 to 760. That's why the visible spectrum, what we're optimized to. Electromagnetic waves are photons. Photons are partially electric, partially magnetic. They're 90 degrees to each other. You can induce an electric current from a magnetic induction engine, which is exactly what you're an expert at. That's what the cochlea does. That's why it's spiral. It's got melanin in it. And when people actually learn really how hearing works, you hear light and turn it into sound. So are light and sound just the same thing?

2:11:41Well, no, they're waves, but they're not the same thing. Remember, this goes back to axiomatic rule in nature, equals MC squared. What did Einstein fundamentally say in 1905? Energy and mass are the same thing. The only difference is the light. So realize, when I tell you guys, I use the fancy terms, wide -band semi -conductor and it makes you V -light. On the surface it goes kind of crazy, but as soon as you realize Jack's talking about E equals MC squared, you can create light from atoms. Like the semi -conductor industry's been doing it since the 1950s. And it's amazing to me that these guys in Silicon Valley can do it, but me and Uberman, if we say it, we're kooky.

2:12:21You know, who's kooky, dude? It's everybody else. And not only that, when I come to Andrew and say, Andrew, because I knew he didn't know about Becker. Becker did the original work in bone, the show that it runs a semiconductor current. It's not speculation. It's proven experimentally. It's published in the literature. So then you got to ask yourself the question, all right, let's talk about the rest of the tissues. If it's working in bone, holy shit, this has got to be in a lot of other places. Well, I want to talk about microbiome and lighten the microbiome. But before we do, I just want to cue up a note, because we're talking a little bit about science, sociology, and context here, and what's considered revolutionary, crazy, or acceptable.

2:13:06And recently, you may, I think, put a tweet out about this. You know, there's something in neurons called if fat, dick communication. So just to get people up to speed, there's a, you know, most everyone believes that neurons release neurochemicals, dopamine, glutamate, GABA, et cetera. and they do, and that they communicate that way, and that those chemicals inspire more or less electrical activity in the neurons that they impact. So there's concerns electrical and chemical communication. But for a while now, there have been papers coming out that are really inconvenient papers, frankly. But super interesting that neurons can communicate with one another, not just through what's called synaptic communication, but also by the progression of electrical waves through multiple neurons, through mechanisms that are just not in textbooks.

2:13:55And it's always been, you know, the papers come out admittedly, they've come out in big journals. I've been top journals, but they're, it's inconvenient, right? And so they tend to come and go. People go, wow. And then you explain it in convenient, because I agree with you. I want you to say it in your own terms. So the audience really understands what this means. I almost want to say if it's true, but we know it's true, right? It's been published in top journals by top lab. We know it's true. What this means is that And can you mean to you the truth that's in the text? That's right. It means that the way that we, that 99 .99 % of physicians and biologists and people understand that the way the brain works and cells in the brain communicate with one another is just one part of the story that there's an entirely different route of communication.

2:14:44It will be a little bit like if I just said, hey Rick, like let's stop talking now. And Jack let's stop talking. let's just communicate by telepathy. Like, why are we doing this? And you go, well, we can't do that. But in the brain, this is kind of analogous to telepathy being yet another form of communication. So neurons can talk to each other at long distances without having to release these chemicals or through electrical signaling of the kind that you find in textbooks. And so what this is really saying is, yes, like speech exists. We're not knowing it's disputing that. Sound exists, but it's also saying that, yep, in some sense, telepathy, something analogous to telepathy exists.

2:15:22Now, this isn't telepathy, but what it means is that, like the front of my brain and the back of my brain could be in communication through ways that can't be explained through textbook knowledge. Why is the idea that telepathy may exist or has been proven to exist a bad thing? I don't think it was an effect. It's a bad thing. It's very hard to do anything with until we understand more of it. And you know, the good news is it's been, you know, and here I'm not talking about this ephaptic communication and things like it, you just need more scientists working on it. And once there is a critical mass, kind of like what's happened with psychedelics recently.

2:16:03Once you get enough people within these big institutions working on it, then it becomes an accepted field. So I'm kind of inconvenient. Why isn't celebrated as like a breakthrough? Because it makes it hard. I'll tell you exactly in one sentence. I'll tell you it makes it very hard to teach Undergraduate's graduate students and medical students. He's being way too generous here It it offends the profiteers amount of so that's the truth So and here admittedly and I'm not playing dumb here I because I'm not a physician. I've never had to do billing charts, you know like I've gotten grants and right But we still do that in my laboratory I don't understand what that is exactly like how you know the need to be The profitering of medicine is something that, of course, I have no big farm exists, and I have insurance, and you get coverage and deductibles and all this kind of stuff.

2:16:50But I don't understand those models because I'm not a clinician. It's very simple. If you understand the basics of what I'm saying, we can use light frequencies to replace drugs. In fact, Tina Kru, the person that we were talking about a lunch, she wrote a very interesting paper. And you want to look her up, T -I -I -N -A -Caru. K -U -R -U, she wrote a paper, the title of a, is Red Light a Drug Therapy. And after you read the whole paper, the last line is Tina Kruke goes, I come to the conclusion that it is. So that means that every frequency within PBM, which is, you know, 600 to 1 ,100 nanomew light, actually does something that big pharma has a pill for it.

2:17:34is red light always the solution. Red light is I will tell you it's the base. The one thing you need to know about red light is from the time the sun up to the time sun's down. Red light is present. Now here's the interesting thing. IRB IRC which is also in the solar spectrum because the solar spectrum goes to 3100. Like if you go to the desert you know down where you're at you can feel the rocks are still hot when it's 50 degrees. So infrared lights there. So if you have the detector, but that's the basis of the reason why the Scandinavian, so I have shitty light like geothermal pools, because you're getting that effect, the reason why it's because it changes the water chemistry in you.

2:18:15So before when when I go over to hot tub, will it do it or it has to be geothermal? No, but it'll work. But I will tell you, there's other things you have to do to really power up, like say, I think it was, yeah, I think it was at the event that you and I were at with Neil Strauss. There was a guy there with the soak and tubs, like, you know, the sensory deprivation tubs. And I told him, if you wanted to increase the effectiveness of this, he should add music, different types of music that affects the coherence and water. And red light. I said, if you do that, do that's a win and win or check and dinner.

2:18:49Because basically you just created a pod that a baby is in in the amniotic sack. That's effectively what you're doing. because the mother's heartbeat is doing the same thing to that amnionic sac. We know that. The crazy part of the story going back to neurosurgery, when you were talking about that's the paper that I posted that you can slice the brain up and you can still measure the waves after you slice the brain up. How did I learn about this a long time ago? When I actually did rotations in functional neurosurgery, that's what Eddie Chang does. We used to do subpoor restrictions on the cortex.

2:19:23That's basically like taking a knife and cutting a gyri to stop a seizure focus, you know, from generalizing other places. The funny thing is it didn't work in everybody and the reason it didn't work is for what you just said. Ephaptic communication. And here's the other thing that we just found out you're gonna like is that every time an action potential happens in a neuron, do you know what neurons also release? Water, which goes to what he was just talking about. So I'm gonna tell you about experiment that's going to blow your mind. Again, published in Nature magazine. So you know, we're not talking about one guy that won the Nobel Prize for HIV, Luke Montenegro just died.

2:20:01He found that DNA acts as a topologic insulator. That is a form of a wide -based semiconductor. He was able to take that DNA, put it in water, leave the water there, took all the DNA out, took the water, transmitted the signal, the electromagnetic signal in the water over the internet to another city in Europe, went into the water and they were able to recapitulate DNA that was exactly the same. So guess what? You just said, is telepathy real? What if I told you the first paper is already published and it's out there, but you know why it doesn't get any traction because Andrew hit it on the head.

2:20:43When something offends biologists, so much, because it's not in their field, they ignore it. Or they make fun of it. Tell me what the paper is. I forget the name of it, but I can get it for you. It's been in so many of my blogs. Yeah. But he brought other people in. And the sad part is he just died, literally in the last year. But he, huge believer, anti -fouchy, I mean, because Fauci was good friends with Gallo. Remember, Gallo tried to steal the Nobel Prize, but the Nobel Committee realized Montenegro was that he was the ticket. Well, one of the things that I've heard some of my colleagues say that I really support is that when you're on a hiring committee for saying a neurobiology, and I actually think Stanford has done this well to try and bring people from disparate fields into a field.

2:21:36You know, if you're hiring a neurobiologist or you're hiring somebody in immunology, a lot of times you pull from people that came through laboratories that you know very well because they're already in your field, but to really shake up a field and to really make ground, you want computer scientists, you want engineers, you want physicists, you want people that have enough understanding of the problem at hand but bring a totally new perspective. And certain places have done more of that than others, but it is still very siloed. And part of it is that it's hard to read the papers. Like if I read up, you're saying about your tweets earlier, right?

2:22:11So I mean, and today I'm learning a ton and you know, and you said it yourself, you know, that oftentimes people just don't have the skill set to be able to understand like what a free electronics to be, you know, let alone, you know, uh... Because of the silo that you came up in. Yeah, and it's kind of basic. And some of it's complicated. We got to know quantum mechanics to understand some of the things. I want to make sure that people understand the synonyms we're using because you're good with words. I understand what he's saying, but I want to make sure the audience is getting this. Silo is a synonym for centralized medicine.

2:22:44In other words, this is what we believe to be true. If you ask a decentralized clinician, which I consider myself, I know that the truth is an approximation of the best day that we have today. Therefore, it's subject to change. Absolutely. That's exactly the way I look at science. This is exactly the way I came to understand the left and Milano court and pathway and functionally how we really work as a semi -conductive living organism that's a dissipative structure. The only time we're at a equilibrium because you hear that all the time in biochemistry is when we have rigor mortis. That's the truth.

2:23:24Life is meant to live in the tail. So when you asked me, where did I come up with the black swan idea? That's where it comes from. It's a tail event. My Dekondraac, because I want you to focus in on my Dekondrial DNA, not RNA and DNA, because that's not the story. The story in RNA and DNA is so simple to understand. It's 20 proteins. It acts as a topologic insulator. What does that mean in English? The outside can conduct an electric current, but it doesn't affect the inside the way it works. In other In other words, atomically inside it's silent. Why? Because atomic organization at a molecular level is important.

2:24:04Why? All of biology is based on storing light energy at the electronic level. That means in bonds, in protons, in electrons. And it's our job as clinicians and biologists to understand that. We need to understand that science to help our patients. And when we're not, like when we have the epidemic of myopia, we have infertility. We have depression. We have schizophrenia. It's all discoverable when we understand what we're talking about. Why? Because proton tunneling changes how neurotransmitters work. When you put someone in a cold environment, do you know that it doesn't matter if their testosterone goes down?

2:24:48Why? because the electronic nature of the wide -based semiconductor means it can still work at a testosterone level of 250 because the sensitivity to receptor goes up. We don't know that in centralized medicine, but I know it. Why? Because I do it in patients all the time. You had a done when you were on the operating room table. When you told him, you're going to freeze my brain. Fine. Guess what? freezing your brain has a lot to do with why the methylene blue worked. I told you that lunch, the reason methylene blue works, it's so simple. It changes the oxidation state of iron, which allows you to regenerate melanin.

2:25:26What else does it do? It actually delivers nitric oxide to the tissue that it's in. And guess what? That story is an evolutionary story that began before the KT event. Life is used that before. The last thing that it does, it improves proton tunneling. The only thing that nature uses for proton tunneling, not to slip it in again, that's what the Choray Plexus does in the brain. Choray Plexus is an ultra -filterate, takes blood out of the circuitatory system, makes CSF in your brain. Your entire semiconductor What CSF? CSF, cerebral spinal fluid. Your entire brain is covered with it where all your key semiconductors are on the outside and where melanin is on the inside.

2:26:11And we have four ventricles in our head filled with it. Somebody's got to ask the question, why is CSF got the atomic organization that does and why does it concentrate iodine? I'll tell you the reason why. It's the Grat House mechanism. You know what it does? Do you know that if you talk to any semiconductor electrician here in Silicon Valley that they use iodine adobe Graphene to make it a wide band semiconductor Your brain got that message Probably three billion years ago when you say wide band semiconductor. Do you mean that? It can generate It's still fairly light stronger light stronger than the terrestrial spectrum of sunlight That's what it means.

2:26:57So it has to do with the amount of energy present. Well, photonic energy. So silicon generates 1 .1 to 3 .1 electron volts. I told you before, potassium, if you use that, because that's one of the atoms that's in a cell, 7 .67 electron volts. So that takes you down to light that corresponds to 150 millimeter light. So all of a sudden you start going, so no wonder melanin is in the ear, because what good is putting melanin in the ear if it responds to all frequencies of light from RF to cosmic radiation, if you don't have an element next to it, that can create that kind of light. Given the importance of melanin, I've been curious about albinos.

2:27:39So, you know, it's not super common, but maybe there's information there. There is. So, you know, in your kind of classic albino, you know, red eyes, white hair, and they don't, they have a mutation in the tyrosinease gene. So they are, they can't make melanin. Given everything we've been talking about today, I would imagine they would have a lot more issues than just with their eyes. They do, but guess what? Have you ever cut open a brain of an albino? No. I have. And guess what, you'll find. They got some melanin, neuro -melanin in their brain. They maintain melanin inside, not on the outside.

2:28:17and people who are albinos tend to have a surface problem. But you'll also notice that there are a lot like people that don't have their eyes. They tend to die sooner of different diseases. It's very similar to the reason why tall people tend to die sooner. And that ties to the SEM. That goes to the other part of the equation we haven't talked about yet that you guys said you wanted to get into. Super -cars, man, at New Clancy. It was because, guess what it works on, general and special relativity. There's a reason that that mother nature puts your major clock in your eye and the reason why is because it stands furthest away from the center of the earth.

2:28:55So if you know an Einstein functionally said, he said that in order to get something to work, it has to jive. In other words, there's time relativity. So let me give you the simple answer. Rick, you have a cell phone sitting right next to your right knee. you know that that cell phone can get you to and from a restaurant tonight. And even when you don't know how to go there, you have no earthly idea that Einstein's papers are built into that phone. And it turns out there is a satellite above us that Verizon owns, that runs their program 38 microseconds faster than the clocks on the ground. That allows you to have pristine accuracy.

2:29:38That's special in general relativity. Your body has its pristine optical lattice clock in your eye. That clock has to run fast on every clock distal to it. So the clock right here in the big toe, that's running slower than that. We don't have a way to measure time differences, that short distance. But I promise you, someday we will, just like for its pop, measured what gurrets found. that with a photo multiplier, we can prove that all cells, why do I know I'm actually medical, right? Because the theory of relativity, as far as I'm concerned, is well -standing. It is the science that dictates the big cosmos.

2:30:22Quantum mechanics is the science that dictates the small cosmos. Where do they meet? How do they connect? Thermodynamics, that's in the middle. That ties them both together. And what do we know about thermodynamics? seismic dynamics, size and shape determine thermal dynamics, which brings us to the story of mitochondria. That's why the size and shape of the mitochondria matters. Turns out, one of the key things I haven't told you about the left and the monocortin story, the left and prescription, is I looked at myself and you remember what the primary care doctor said to me, eat less exercise more?

2:30:55Turns out when I understood what I was finding, that it's exactly the opposite. It turns out that I'm thermodynamically not good. So I'm going to ask Rick the questions. Rick, when you spray your ankle, does it get bigger or smaller? Bigger. Okay. When you have heart failure, say, because you're aorta's bad or you're heart's bad, does it get bigger or smaller? Bigger. Okay. When a star in the sky begins to die and it becomes a red giant, does it get bigger or smaller? Bigger. So why do we think that people who get bigger from being smaller eat too much? Could it be that their mitochondrial engines are failing because they don't have enough melatonin to drive their programs?

2:31:39Sounds crazy, right? Until you actually think about it. Then you go, hmm So how do we make melatonin? What do you know about melatonin? Well conventional teaching that I learned at LSU that I found was not true from Dr. Bazaan's work Is that most melatonin eight made into pineal gland? It's actually made in your mitochondria through respiration. That's been published in the literature now five, six years. So that means the theory of relativity actually is tied to melatonin two. It means where you're melatonin deficient, all those clocks, they're all gonna be all screwed up everywhere. And this is the reason why most modern diseases, I'm talking about diseases from 1893 to now.

2:32:23Why? Because that's when Tesla ruined us with the AC power grid and the incandescent ac because we changed the frequency. Tested didn't want the ac. No, test wanted the ac. Edison wanted the DC. And it turns out the reason why ac is really bad, and this is what people don't understand modern people. As soon as you plug into anything into an ac, not only do you get electricity, but you also make another frequency light like RF. If you're a real idiot and you have Lutron's to your house or a ceiling fan that's been and you modulate the frequency, you just created an alien magnetic field for your cells to deal with.

2:33:00Huge problem. So all of these things have effects and their biologic effects. The problem is since our tools of discrimination aren't like Gossi Asagil. Like I don't have the tools that I can take to surgery to measure these effects, but what did I have when I met Uric and you called me up? I have knowledge that allowed me to explain to you how I can help magnetism, because that's the next question you asked me. Jack, tell me about magnetism. Well, what is built into the methanelene blue biohawk? Methanelene blue functionally changes oxidation state of iron from plus two to plus three. What do you need to know?

2:33:45You don't need to know a lot of fancy science. Oxygen delivers to my decondria when it's plus three. And the reason why is what we talked to Andrew before about. Oxygen is paramagnetic. What does that mean? It's drawn to things with a magnetic field. What is the ATPase? It's a ferritate current, electron chain transport, FO -headed ATPase spins because protons go in it and red light spins it. Okay? Creates a magnetic field. Now, when I first started medical school, nobody believed that. Now we have MEG machines where we put it in the room and we know that humans create a magnetic field. The problem is people in centralized science, they don't wanna know about it, but my NFL players, the players that I take care of with TBI, I can make them better very, very quickly by putting a ring over their head and delivering magnetic flux energy to make their ATP a spin faster so they can create water and melatonin.

2:34:39And that melatonin can fix autophagy, it fix apoptosis so that they're able to sleep better, so that they're able to get better. But I still need to teach them the keys about making like this things, eating like the great white shark. They need to do that. I need them to build melon and back on the outside to suck it inside because of your work, neuroplasticity. Is that why I sleep on a 200 pound magnet? Yeah, well, magnetic, right? Yeah. Yeah, so you know, Poe Magnet that helps you. Now, does it help as much? Probably while you're here in California, because you know, you know I'm not a fan of this place.

2:35:14Tell me why. You don't. People have been trying to get me to leave California. So the real reason I'll give you something to write down that you can research. We can get into a little bit, but there's a theory out there called broadcast theory. One of the interesting things that NASA has found out that over the state of California, there's three Van L and radiation belts. Everywhere else there's only two. The reason for that is UHF, VHF, because you guys are the center of Hollywood, radio, and everything else, you've created user amounts of ions above you. That affects the plasma. So that's the reason why primary care doctors all in the West Coast, from probably the mountains on, in the medical literature, we've seen a lot why the people who even have tans can't raise their vitamin D levels, because remember they should be able to do that.

2:36:06Well it turns out, there's a physical block. I posted yesterday on Twitter something you may like 1967, there's a paper out that showed that people's cholesterol levels went up when they didn't get any UVB sunlight. So if you think about it, big pharma is printing money off a statins. The understand why? Because non -native EMF functionally blocks the conversion of a cholesterol ester to 312 nanometer light. So that's the reason why everybody's cholesterol is up. So believe it or not, cholesterol is a marker for blue light or non -native EMF toxicity. Just the same way, when I said to Andrew, let me look in your eye and see your provolar response.

2:36:45In other words, dopamine controls that. People don't even know that dopamine controls fiber type in muscles. It does. Shocking, right? I did not know that. That's what I'm saying. But when you see this and you go, wait a minute, dopamine's made from tyrosine or phenyliline. This is a big deal. You know, when we talk about dopamine, we always talk about Parkinson's or something else. No, no, no, no, do you? This story is way bigger. Way bigger. dopamine actually controls myopia in the eyeball. When you get myopia, your eyeball elongates. When the dopamine level is optimized by the RP and light coming in, you don't get myopia.

2:37:19This is the reason why all the kids in Asia have it. Why? Because they've had Samsung phones tweeting all day. Yeah, we've known that the closer that an animal, human or other animal sits to any object during development, the longer the eyeball gets. Correct. And it's called nearsighted because the light is normally focused by the lens of the eye onto the retina. Let's say to the chip of your eye, if you will. But when the eyeball gets too long, that light is focused in front of where it needs to be. That's why essentially it's too near to the lens, near sight. That's a convenient way to remember.

2:37:54So you as a, because I know your appointment is in to optimize you. I'm going to ask you this question because I don't know the answer. I'm assuming something. Tell me what part of the the prism of light, the seven colors in light, bend the most. I'm embarrassed to not know, but I'd be more embarrassed to give the wrong answer. UV light, guess what the key thing is, blue light. So do you know why my opi is so problematic? It removes the focus. Remember I told you the anterior central retinal pathway is a semi -conductive circuit. Remember I talked about the story about Bose? What happens if you don't focus the light right on the semi -conductor?

2:38:31You got it, my friend. To fuse this. That's what, what is that called? In Rick's World, signal to Reigno's ratio, not so bueno for things deep to it, which is your area and my area. Do you see how simple this is? When you... Well, I do now that... Excuse me, if I just keep reminding myself, and it's like, it's definitely today there's an, of course, bulb going off for me. Of course, light is... We always say in circadian biology, I didn't say it first, of course. like light is the most powerful, the zeitgabre, time keeper, because temperature will shift your circadian clock. Eating will change your circadian clock.

2:39:10But light is the most dominant. But I want you to know why. I know that you know this fact, but you know what I'm not satisfied? Cold increases the amount of UV light you create internally. Yeah, well this is, that's the big one for me. I mean, obviously that's the one that I think that's going to be the huge one for everybody listening no matter whether or not they understand any of the rest of our conversation is that we ourselves can create light internal to our body, right? That to me. Melanon is the screen. Remember the analogy I used to you before Andrew showed up that we can sit in a movie theater when we were older guys in New York and we look at the light and then we see the movie and you look at the light and go wow there's a lot of information in that light but you don't see the information there, you see it on the screen.

2:39:55You're talking about the bean coming from the project. Yeah. Yeah. So you know how is everything in the beam right? Does it make sense? You as a non -science guy when I leave here my job is not only to satisfy you but I want to make him curious. Absolutely. Both. I want you to know that's what melanin is. It's the screen. We're having a discussion right now of the projector and the light and that's semi -conductive circuit that I'm talking about is the one that I stumbled in. It's the one that I thought was just about obesity and it turns out it's about fucking everything. Yeah tell me what it's always Is the screen, is it anything else work?

2:40:29Is the screen or it's only melanin? Well, what did I tell you was the big semiconductor before the KT event? He McLeodman. We haven't even talked about that soccer, but guess what? That was so powerful for your hack and it's still powerful for your hack. Because I want Andrew to realize what I'm saying. Why is my message show offensive to Big Pharma? The people that he knows and treats with schizophrenia or dopamine, he knows the pathway from the IPGCs affecting the Habeinian nucleus and mood, but what you need to realize light fixes that. But you need to understand the process of what's broken in the light to fix it.

2:41:05You know, it's kind of like going into a physics lab in Stanford and screwing around the mirrors when they're doing a double slit experiment. That's effectively what I'm saying to you. Well, if melanin is the screen, what's the projector? I'm with a son, of course. Okay, but not a internal, sorry. Internally, it's internal. It's some of your conductors, like collagen. Okay. The number one semiconductor that we know from Becker's work is college. College is the most common protein in the body. 70 % of the protein inside of his college is triple helix. Is eating college and protein beneficial as opposed to other kinds of protein?

2:41:41Not as much as the carnivore and paleo guys want you to believe. No. The single most important part, because a lot of people don't know this even in biology. Becker didn't prove this, but a Japanese researcher did, and Becker confirmed it. He was the confirmatory. College and his piezoelectric and fluxoelectric. So you know what that means? You'll love this. College and actually transmit lightways into sound. Inside the body. Which is the reason why in your book, when you said the thing about the earphones, I want you to know what's in there. I told you that that is a book about frontal lobes.

2:42:18And the difference between us and chimps is frontal lobes. And I'm telling you, the innovation, he knows this. All the reward tracks are built into our orbital frontal gyri. What did that melon inside the midbrain? Where dope, I mean, is in the substantiant nigra. Yeah, just to call out that it's called substantiant nigra because it's dark, nigra. It's filled with neural evidence. It's filled with none. So in a slice of, if we were to look at slices through the brain, right? No, no staining of those brain slices or anything, just looking at even without a microscope, you would notice two prominent, like crescents down near the bottom of the midbrain.

2:42:59And you'd say, well, what are those dark things? That's substantiant, you're Niagara, that's where the dopamine neurons are. Niagara dark because they contain melanin. And when those go by by, I guess what you get. You can get Alzheimer's, you can get Parkinson's, or a frontal temporal dysplasia, which proves well it's got. He has no idea that his film career is what caused it. The thing I want you to know, because these are your clients. This is probably, maybe uncomfortable for you or not, I don't care. Most of your clients have a problem with the locusts are really, it's in the nucleus of Cummins.

2:43:29It's where they're all addicted. They're addicted to alcohol, booze, blue light, nightlife. They lose those dopamine cells there, and they don't have. Just think about Bettingfield from Lincoln Park. think about Chris Cornell, think about our lead singer from Nirvana, think about Jimmy Hendrix. They weren't able to pull their melon in back inside to recapitulate, to restore it. What was the the I don't want to say brilliance because that that's kind of bad. But what was the the wisdom of nature that I stole? I know that if I change your iron to plus three, you would regenerate your melon and your screen so that the light that you were putting in because you stopped wearing the sunglasses at night, you stopped blocking the sun, you stopped being the Rick Rubin before, you became a black swan.

2:44:23You started to do things that offended centralized medicine and what did you find? You got better and you know what when I met you I just patted you on the back and said just to me a favorite, tell as many people as you can because is the only way I think we're gonna get changed. Honestly, I think me and Andrew or Hamström, I think we're the story of Achilles, our tendons are cut. I think we're gonna be muffled. But you inviting me here with him, for him to hear my story, because you already know a lot of it. Now you're getting a lot more pieces. I've never told anybody what I've told you to today.

2:44:59This is the whole shit in Caboodle. I want you to know that you have the power of regeneration in your hands. You have to get your frontal lobes out of your own way. I have a regeneration question. Tell me about how regeneration on the planet works. So how it works with the food cycle. What we eat at 59. All right. So Exxon Valdez. Remember that? Remember how bad it was? Yeah. Remember the BP oil spill? Yep. How bad was that? Bad. Was it? Don't know. Let me ask you a question. What is oil? It's a byproduct of photosynthesis. Everybody who lives out here in California, you know, tree huggers. So everything is solar.

2:45:45Everything. Everything on this damn planet. No, a lot of those left out here. I know that. But what am I trying to get you to understand? When you get to the fundamentals, the reason why you can piss on the world economic forum and all the people that run California, at least the reason I do it, I know you too, You may not want to do it, but I want to offend your beliefs right now. I want you to know that oil is a photosynthetic process. You know what it is? It's the damn dinosaurs that died in the event that were discussing. It's stored solar energy. You know what it is? Everything is stored solar energy.

2:46:15Everything is, but you're like industry. You just juggle to my mind. In industry, what is the carbon molecule that stores energy? Industry is ethylene. Everything is made out of ethylene. Okay? right? Evelyn is a product of photosynthesis. So industry uses it. That's what your plastics are made. That's what your book is made of. Half the stuff in this studio is made out of it. But we don't realize it. Well, guess what we do? We use carbon backbone to do the same thing. What is the entire food web? Like when I say to Andrew, is this true or not true? The entire food web on this planet is tied to photosynthesis.

2:46:53Like when vegans, which I know used to be, say that, you know, it's more ethical to eat animals. Why do you think plants don't have a DC electric current? Because I got news for you. Andrew Burr in 1921 found that all plants have a DC electric current just like the neurons in the animals that you're eating. And not only that, we know that they actually feel, but that's not what they want to sell you. And do plants and animals take sunlight and use it the same way? Well, the systems are different and this is why in your blog that I wrote for you. I always do this with my members. I show them a picture of hemoglobin and magnesium.

2:47:31I say, look at these things. When you look at them, again, I'm doing this to be curious, you'll notice the only thing different is the atom in the middle. So we're back to that story about semiconductor, aren't we? You'll notice that iron is atomic number 26, magnesium is 12. So what's the difference? 14 electrons. On 14 electrons, you go from plants to animals. In other words, complex life works basically on 14 electrons. And to answer your question, and we breathe in oxygen and give off CO2, they breathe off CO2 and give us oxygen. That's the simplest way I can explain the circle. And also we eat animals, animals eat grass,

2:48:17and then when we get buried in the ground, we feed the next round of grass. Correct. And what I'm saying to you, it's all about atomic reorganization. It's all about when you get rigor mortis, you fall to equilibrium, life has a plan for you. you will become something else. He becomes useful in a new way. Correct. So the one thing I wanted to update you on when I said this before about mitochondria and photosynthesis, realized that both sides of that equation also make DC electric current. Both. So now we're back to Eddie Chang, aren't we? He puts a pulse generator in people's brains. He's gonna love this.

2:49:02He's gonna be a tension. Yeah, no, he loves it. He's my brother through profession. Yeah, no, no, I'm saying. But he will love this. But you are also my brother through profession because what I want you to do, you're the Jim El Calilia of the United States. The reason I mentioned to you at lunch, I want you to have Jim El Calilia on. I don't need to be there. I guarantee you on the physics side, he will blow your mind when he talks about proton telling and what happens in DNA. He's done the studies. We know proton telling happens. But for me to have that discussion with you guys, we got to, you got to understand water.

2:49:38We haven't even touched on water yet. Well, before we get to water, I want to just zoom out a little bit and ask about mitochondria in a very simple way. Years ago, I heard you on a podcast, it was called Biohacking Secrets Podcast. This one's been almost 10 years ago. And you talked about the fact that long wavelength light can make it through the skin and get to red blood cells in mitochondria through the surface blood vessels. And I love this idea because I was like, okay, great, because now we're talking about not, we're now we're talking about extra -ocular photo reception. Correct. And I like a rebellious idea.

2:50:15And because I was taught, there is no extra -ocular photo reception. Right. That's centralized. It's not a small one. And I think the field of biology and chronobiologies come around a little bit like people are all hyped again about crypticromes. I mean, the race for melanopsin and trying to figure out what's the critical opsin for setting the circadian clock in the eye. Rick, it was like, people were like, it's crypticromes. This is in the end, Iggy prevents you as right. It's, we have frog skin in our eyes, basically. and it's melanopsin. But that doesn't mean that there isn't extracurricular photoreception.

2:50:43So my question to you is, if I go outside at, let's say 9am and the sun is out, and I'm shirtless or sleeveless, what is the difference and impact on my mitochondria? It compared to when I go out in the evening, say around like, you know, 4pm this time of year, where the sun is headed towards setting. This is when you have to be a little bit more of a physicist or a light engineer. You guys, he probably knows these people well and it would be good for you to get them on the podcast. A 9 a .m. light is 2700 Kelvin light. Light that happens at say dusk 1200 Kelvin. Was that the same? So you know the number is not.

2:51:25Now you got to ask yourself, okay, let's talk about frequency because what is all color? All color is frequency. And now I'm going to tell you what I've told you today. All color is band gap width. you change the band got with, you change the frequency. So the thermodynamic effect is different. Totally. Totally. You have to be in the sun all day to get all the benefits. Because remember what the hippo and lion teach us. When they've had enough, what do they do? They go under a tree. What do we do? We put sunscreen on. That's horrible. You remember when the lion goes under the tree, I'll ask you this because you're the expert in vision.

2:52:00Do they still get the color temperature to their eye? Damn, straight. Do you do that when you got a sunglasses on? What happens if the lions ever put sunscreen on their mane? Do you know that when you put lions, this is also in the blog, Blast, I wrote you. When you put lions in the zoo, do you know what happens? They lose their hair and their melanin. Did you know that? Wow. Same thing I told you about the lady that I did the hack on to figure this out happens in zoo animals. Explain the hack because that was, we were at lunch when you had the hack is pretty simple. I basically took everything that I put together with the left and prescription.

2:52:35I realized I could fix myself. So what did I do? The first time I started to eat like a great white shark, nothing but fat and protein. I cut carbs down to about 25 grams a day and I saw the sunrise every single day because one of the things that was set in the monk who sold this for Ari, that it struck me. I wrote it down just like I wrote a lot of stuff in Ricks book. We see 25 ,000 sunrises in a lifetime. And I thought to myself, you guys have the ability to talk to the lady to my left. How many sunrises do you think I saw in residency? And just so you know, my or in charity hospital, how to window?

2:53:15We used to listen to Metallica with the sun coming up and going down, but you know it's behind glass. I realized in that moment what did me in? It was my job and I'm always on trauma call and I'm going, dude, I'm a blue light baby. I never get UV and I never get infrared A and have you ever been in the operating room and looked at our Well, the thing that I want you to do since you have a great podcast I want you to start going around when you go to rick's house you go to jack's house jack dorsi Whoever whoever you go visit go is from google sanford go to spectroscope And then ask them tell me what's wrong with you Okay, you can text me and I'll tell you.

2:53:57Shantel, this is before we were together, she was married to her ex -husband. She had a guy that he worked with who had Parkinson's and she contacted me. She goes, Jack, I know you can help this guy and her husband shut her down. Wouldn't, didn't want for me to give him the information I can help him. This is not just a proxy story personal. This is what happens with doctors. That's the reason why he's important. You remain is important to me. He needs to understand my passion. If you guys are sitting here, nobody's watching a video. I'm like Italian with you guys right now. I'm talking to you with my hands.

2:54:35Hello, indeed. You see what I'm saying? That's great. And when I tell you, I am very passionate about this. I think the reason why maybe I've resonated with Rick, I'll let Rick talk about it. He knows when I talk, like when you're in front of somebody and you hear it, it's just like what he does with music. The white album was the shit for him, but guess what? He took the white album and he could get Metallica all the way to Adele and he can still optimize it, why? Because the melanin in his ear is optimized for what he does. What's the melanin in me? It's my brain. I don't care about anything else, Andrew.

2:55:15I only care about my brain, why? It's my superpower. I can think. The single most important thing to me is critical thinking and curiosity. I don't care about anything else. And I would tell Rick this. From my ability to think and my curiosity, that's where my creativity comes from. I'm a neurosurgeon who focuses on science, but I am developing in the last 20 years, the art of medicine. That is brain surgery without a scalpel. That is the story of the leptin, melanochor, and pathway. It's the story of neurobiology. It's the story of neuroplasticity. It's retained in our melanocytes. It's still in our white blood cells.

2:55:57Palms see is in the outside. Palms see blocks UV light from the nucleus of a white blood cell that allows it to migrate. The artist notices what? No one else notices, but everyone can see. Correct. That's what you're doing. That's, and you know what? That, that's what I've heard everybody who's read Rick book. It's, to me it's amazing. I don't think I said this to you. I told Rick one of the things I think he should do because I did it for him. If you read what he wrote me in the first page of the book, he said, Jack, this is my experience. Tell me what yours is. So what did I start down? I wrote my experience on every page.

2:56:36My plan is when I'm done, I'm going to send Rick the book back because you know what I want Rick? You know what I might my what I would like to see the rest of our lives together since we're the same age I want Rick to become a scientist I want Rick. He's hanging out with a lot of scientists I want Rick to sit down and say so Peter Adia you just did this last podcast tell me how that affects a band gap conduction There it is, you know or when he looks at a Rothko and And you've talked about this in the past because you're into that. I want you to look at a Rothko next time ago. Now I see something different.

2:57:17Well, this is a part of art that I didn't see. And you know what? You know when you get excited, when you see something that you've never seen, that is passion. It just oozes out of you a lot more. It is so exciting once you see, when you see something like that. Yes. And it gels and becomes clear where you can't unsee it again. It's like your life has changed. It's so exciting. That's what I say, Rick. I mean, I think about this in other aspects of my life that are, you know, not science. I told you at lunch that I like to collect misfits. The people that mean something to me, Andrew most of them don't even know why.

2:58:02It's kind of emotional for me. I went through a divorce. It's not because I didn't like the person. It's because she didn't value what you and I in record talking about today. And she did things completely opposite what I wanted wanted to do. And I didn't want. I knew that I couldn't change her. We talked about her earlier and I tried for a long time. But then I realized that I had to worry about my daughter and my son. And you have to show people who are doing the wrong thing. What life is like with you, with you not in it, to get the message. And not that I'm going to go into all the story because I'm sure she'll be pissed off at my if I do.

2:58:50But let's just say I was validated after the divorce because things that happen shouldn't happen. and even though we're divorced now, we're entangled through my daughter. I don't want my daughter to go through the same thing because what have I told you? My mitochondrial DNA is in my daughter, and I know that. I can't unsee that anymore. I'll tell you even if you didn't have a daughter, you'd still be in twines just the nature of the way it works. So I agree with you. I think we are in tango. That's why Sean Tallhill, the pitcher up to you before about entanglement. We are, but you and I could probably agree more on this than him.

2:59:37Quantum entanglement through water is the key. One of the things that physicists, like Schrodinger, couldn't accept, they could never figure out how could you be entangled in a warm, wet environment. That's like a big problem for physics until you understand the chemistry of water. What does water fundamentally do? When it changes its bond angles, It's it basically controls the atomic organization of everything inside itself. Then you start thinking about it Where is water creating the cell? Side of chrome sea oxidase. You know, and then you look at side of chrome sea oxidase with you know atomic precision and you see it's got four red light chroma for a 620 680 760 and 860 Chantelle can tell you What are the frequencies that we program into the bed to everybody that comes in as is?

3:00:18those four. And if you got a brain problem, I'm going to hit you with 1535. Why? Because it controls proton movement in your mitochondria. So how did I figure all this shit out that I just told you? Through hacking it on me in this left in prescription, I figured out what was moving. I read physics papers. I read some a Tina Cruz work. You know, I read Michael Hamill's work at Harvard. Like I went even deeper. I did exactly what Gossie Yossi -Gill did in I learned a lesson in neurosurgery to look smaller to find the answer. Well, but as I mentioned before, it's beautiful because you're linking it up those tiny things across, you know, huge scales of time.

3:01:01What was it about when Einstein did? Yeah, you have to, I mean, I do believe in order to understand the nervous system or any system, you have to look in space and time, right? I mean, our brain functions so differently under... But you realize that space time is plastic. You're a neuroplasticity expert. Think about it. We are beings on this planet. Each one of us deform the fabric of space time. Some of us deform it more than others. I have a question. I'm going to just briefly frame it in an experience and I'll make the promise it'll be very brief. When I started my lab, I decided to give myself a gift, which was to start working on cuddle fish, which are cephalopods.

3:01:38So they're like squid, octopi, you know, and people I'm gonna pop the peanuts in them. Yeah, amazing little creatures. And I was interested in a problem that's not relevant now about how they can, they actually translocate their eyes. They swim around with their eyes on the side of their head and they're very passive when they see something they want to eat their eyes, translocate to the front and they literally become depth perception machines. And that poses an interesting problem for the visual system anyway. What's perhaps most interesting and captivating about cuddlefish is the presence of chromophores on their body.

3:02:07You see these as they, you know, get hungry or they experience everything. You see these waves of chromosomes. It's easy to see online and it dazzles us. Is what I'm observing in terms of the waves of chromosomes on the cuddle fish? Something like what's happening inside our body when you are saying that our nervous system, because basically they are a nervous system without they have a cuddle bone, but without a skeleton. Is that what's happening inside me all the time? I can already tell you that Rick was successful. You finally understand Jackers because you know what? You love cuttlefish too.

3:02:45Well, I will just tell you that cuttlefish were part of what made me understand this because don't you think it's a little bit ironic? Remember how we said that nature never makes mistakes? What do we call it? A cephalopod. What are you? Of the head cephalopod. Right, cephalopod. So guess what? The same thing is going on in your brain. You know what the difference is? On the cuddlefish, you get to see all the changes in light occur, but in us, you don't. Because think about where they are. No, but it's not just the inside. Even when I remember, I'm the guy sitting in this table here. With him open.

3:03:20That opens them up. You still don't see him when you open him up. I can promise you that. Sean Tell will tell you she's been in enough brain surgery to tell you. But is light emitted? How do we know that? We know that from Becker's work. Why? Because when he took apart the semiconductor circuit and bone, he found out the P semiconductor, it, it glows brown red. Yeah. So I mean, this is important. And I do think it's an important point of resonance here because I, that cephalopods are basically a little swimming brain. Correct. Without a skull around them. I just want without fancy epigenetic toolbox that we have.

3:03:55Right. And other words, that allows us to take it. If you want to, I try to explain this to you where you're at. Because the step you just made for me, I know I'm hitting you. I know I'm hitting you good. They don't have the screen in the movie theater. They admit the light. So they are like the light. They're missing the wide man's semi -conductors. So the reason why they're simple little creatures is because they have no way to capture the information in light. Well, the reason I started yes and yes, and the reason I started working on them is It occurred to me that there is no other organism that I'm aware of that with current technology I could look at change something in its environment, you know make it eat or you know watch them fight or have sex or whatever and Get a picture of what a two -dimensional physical picture of what is going on in the brain because By looking at the cuddle Fisher looking at the brain But there is and see the thing is this is your power of observation as a scientist Remember how I used the term and I didn't want you to take it to the regulatory myopia.

3:04:59I know that that's not true sitting here talking to you. And you know, you and I don't know each other well. You know what a chameleon is. You've seen it. They did the same thing. How about a iguana in Mexico? Changes. I got a better one for you. You're interested in circadian biology. Do songbirds not change their song? Did they not change their feathers when they're breeding? Rick waxed poetically about songbirds. What did they do? They change the frequency. This changes everything. That changes the receptors in the hormones. That's what breeding is all about. There are certain times to breed on Earth and not.

3:05:36People don't even realize, like I wrote in your guys blog that I wrote for you. Like very provocative stuff because I want you to get it. Mel, I should say, trip the fan and methionine. You know what they fund the monthly art from a physics standpoint? They're time crystals. When light hits them, they resonate differently in different times of the season. So, for example, if you look at the catabolism of triptophan, you'll notice that it can be metabolized to a ketone or to a glucogenic amino acid. That should strike you and say, why is that? Turns out, cold makes it get metabolized a certain way.

3:06:14What controls that? The semi -band conduction in the light show that you're talking about from the cuddlefish. So when you then extrapolate this idea and you go, so is this what DNA is known? It's the master conductor. It's the Rick Rubin of the cell. Well, maybe not the Rick Rubin. It's the James Hatfield. It's the Lars Ulrich. It's the reason why in the back of the quantum engineering 29 blog, I wrote the story of me, him and David Wolf sitting at a table. When he told me, the story about Metallica's drums and ACD's drums. And I so much wanted to tell Rick the answer because he was like, I know this, but I don't know why.

3:06:57And I knew why. When earlier you said that's the source. And I want to go back to that because a lot of what's brought Rick and I together as friends. Tell me what that is. I'd love to know. How did you guys entangle first? Rick had heard about, I think there the podcast and we started we started FaceTime and Drone. I met you before the I've heard the podcast. I can remember how though. Yeah, I think I think I think I'm you. A friend, I think. Yeah, we start talking about ophthalmology and vision and then health and then life and then our first in -person meeting went to his house and sat down the sauna and I kind of split open on what was going on with me personally and he was like yeah like okay, we're he was a great help to me then and continues to be.

3:07:46And then we, He's a collector of misfits to, and then he connects us. And I see all the thing he really does, he's a connector. And I love, and I love him. I have a name for that in Yiddish, but I can't think of one in this. And I love his stories. And so I start asking him stories about musicians, I love and things that I love. But you know, but we've talked about, or he's mentioned, you know, the source, like I'm obsessed with energy. And because, you know, caloric energy is interesting, but it's not nearly as interesting to me as neural energy. And today we're, you know, in the back of mind the whole time, I realize that we're talking about neural energy.

3:08:19What do I mean by that? Well, you know, yes, we have stored energy as fat and protein and stuff in our body, but it's like gasoline. Those are like, yeah, what I'm interested in is what creates that feeling of like, yes, that more of that. The stuff that creates bonding between people. Don't believe, you know, don't believe in this. I can tell you why I've always thought that Chi and dopamine are sort of synonymous with each other. I think they are, but I would tell you, this is the reason why when I meet people. Like, I have to give Shantal a lot of credit here. For her, I am very happy that she pushed me to do this.

3:08:55But I think seeing your face, like my opinion of you is radically changed. You are more open than I thought you would be, but seeing your face, I don't have a photo multiplier, but I do. Like Rick says, he uses that famous thing about he's the invisible coach. And I tell people that I'm the visible coach that can explain the magic of the invisible, because that's really how we're entangled. And he does it through music, I do it through biology. I want people to understand this. But when I see you, on my website, on my form, I have a rule, you gotta put a human picture up. Now, it sounds stupid on the surface because it's blue then.

3:09:42But you know that there's a part of the brain that has face forming things. It's important. I want to know that I'm talking to a real person because what I'm trying to do is make it more real like we're doing right now. We are sharing communication through words. Rick has been beautiful in his book saying words really are a myopic way to do this. we talked to our hands. I mean, our toenails, our fingernails. Have you started in the fuller multiplier? They're amazing. You know what? Amidst the most light in the human body? The tongue. Really? Yes, that's why I be kissed. And that's why we perform moral sex.

3:10:22Kitchie not. The glands of the penis, the clitoris. This is the reason why we are creatures of light. Like when guys like a neo -dormist, like Dawkins come out and talk shit about, you know, the Bible. You know what I always tell, I tell my members this all the time because I'm not really a religious guy. I'm more of a spiritual guy. I tell people that everything in Genesis from one one to one ten is absolutely true. I said, you know what the problem with religion is? They told you it's about light but they didn't give you the recipe. I really believe that I'm on this planet to talk about that recipe and I want to in fact as many people with this virus that I have as I possibly can.

3:10:59That's what I want. I don't care what happens to me. I just want to make sure that it doesn't die with me. That the information lives on. I really understand that. Yeah, I've had colleagues pass away. And you just go, shit, like I wish we could just just like download their brain. Right, you know. But you can. And the thing is, I hope you look at podcasts differently from Tenayon because I think when Rick does music, he does this. Like I made the comment before. And I think people listening to this don't understand. I was being literal and figurative. Rick is a master tape of all his dopamine collection through his ears.

3:11:42He sees the world, not just through his ears, because that's not fair to him. It's clear he sees it other ways too. But I think that Rick is a much better artist since he's now using his eyes and took the sunglasses off. Since he's using his skin, I think that he has now more channels to which help Eddie Vetter. Metallica. Not only that, do I think he can help guys that he's see struggling with some of the things that we're talking about now because he knows they may be a better musician. Now there's a flip side of this that Rick pointed out in his book. Just because they're in pair doesn't mean they're bad.

3:12:20I mean Jackson Pollock is a perfect example. I mean look he painted. Everybody thought it was amazing but we found out like five years after he painted his best painting. It's by fractals and the only way we knew that is because all of his alcoholism and drugs destroyed his front loads. So he actually saw the world like Mandelbrot science. It's like the Chuck Close thing too. Correct. It's just amazing. It came from his deficit. Right. In quotes. Well, it's kind of amazing. You know, there's stories out there that things happen to people like, I've seen my own personal opinion. One of the most amazing cases that I've seen in my neurosurgery career, I had a guy who is a soccer player get hit with a soccer ball, get a concussion, and then be able to speak a language with a different tone.

3:13:05I've had another person from a car wreck, I told Sean Tell about this, in Nashville, who became able to play the piano, never played the piano before, Wild. And I sat there, and it stunned me, but I'll tell you the biggest revelatory story. I've only told this, never said it publicly, except on Clubhouse, in a Bitcoin room. But I, you know, neurosurgeons, we deal with big time trauma. So we deal with brain death a lot. And I'm a big believer in trying to get families to donate organs. And I've been very successful that the reason why I have no problem talking about death to anybody, because to me, I look at it just like you look at breathing.

3:13:46And I think it's important. So the story went, and this happened in Tennessee when I was in Nashville. It's a long time ago. But it's happened to me two other times in my career. I got a young kid, 18, 19 years old, his family to donate his organs. And the way it used to work, we would get a letter letting us know where all the organs went to the different people. No data, you know, this hippo stuff. But you knew that this person got eyes, this person got a liver, this person got the heart. And they don't give you names. They just tell you a little bit about the narrative of their story, like their history of present illness.

3:14:23So six months later, I get a lady show up to my clinic who doesn't have a neurosurgery problem. She just wanted to come talk to me and the office girls are like, we don't know what this is about. She comes in and she says, look, she goes, I don't know who to ask. I've asked my primary care doctor. I've asked everybody else. She goes, ever since I got this heart, I have this intense desire from McDonald's frontress. And I looked at her and I said to her, I said, why do you come see me? And she goes, well, I thought since you were involved in this somehow that maybe you would know something. And I just sat there stunned and I didn't know what to say to her.

3:15:11She had no way of knowing this. The data is not out. You can't get this information. It's kind of like adoptions that are closed. The kid died at a McDonald's drive through in a car in the car. Plowed into him in a T -bone. Incredible. And they found McDonald's french fries in the seat next to him. He was eating the french fries when the accident occurred. This is a lady who never ate potatoes. Now, Andrew, the reason I'm telling you this story, as a neurosurgeon, you know there's nothing in our textbooks that can explain this, but the quantum coherence of water and the story about Luke Montagnier can.

3:15:53That happened before Montagnier ever did his experiment. I always believed that lady. Now it's happened two other times in my career since then. Now I didn't know any of this when I fell in love with your work now I understand why. I have a question and it's just a rick stepping out for a moment but even though it might not be optimal for light viewing behavior, what are your thoughts on the fact that both you and Rick are from New York? I mean he's from Long Island, you're from New York city, but it's come up several times today and you know I always have wanted to live in New York City. I went there when I was a kid, you know five or six years old and was like this is the most exciting place on earth.

3:16:41I just can't. It is. And to this day, I will not go back. I can't believe that it exists. It's like one of these things where the way I think about is if you've ever done a like snorkeling or scuba diving on a everywhere you look in a tropical coral reef, there is life. Correct. Like at every scale, you could spend, you know, I could spend an hour looking at like one little square millimeter of coral and you'd see change. But do you realize that you just described by Rick wrote the book? I mean, I listened to part of your podcast at Rick and you said that you had read the book three times and it's how to use impact on you.

3:17:15You don't realize that what you're seeing there is the experiment that Rick went through in New York just like I did. Our dopamine level spans gets a pharynx to depression. Well, this is the thing, I mean, do you think growing up in New York is, I mean, it seems It seems to me, it's a perfect ecosystem for a nervous system to evolve in. But you can't stay there because guess what? It's the ideal place, just like California's, to degrade your melon and sheets in your head. So there's not going. So there's your thing, New York City seems to me like this incredibly powerful way to shape the nervous system.

3:17:47It is. It did for both of you guys. I mean, I forged in to San Francisco, went to New York pretty young. I would got involved in a bunch of different subcultures early on, but I'd listen to people who would grew up in New York in the city or near the city and then left New York and their vitality and their energy and their curiosity is extraordinary. Yeah, New Yorkers, I will tell you, you know, I've always said, and I will say this, I hate California. In fact, I told Neil Strauss 2015, it's the last time I'm coming. I hate it. Why? everything that can go wrong with the leptin, Milano pathway happens here.

3:18:29Despite the ample sunlight. Yeah, well the ample sunlight's not good enough. We already know that. I mean, that's the reason why so many Californians are walking around with vitamin Ds that are below 30. So that's when you have to be curious as a clinician and say why is everybody walking around here with low voltage. What's because you live in a place that doesn't allow the transmission of light to your melanin sheets. Guess what? Same thing, Strum in New York now. What we don't want to send everyone, these days, but where on the planet are things closer to optimal? Well, I mean, if you were understanding, seeing, remember I gave you plus five about the cephalopod?

3:19:09Now I'm going to give you minus five. Where'd that slide hit? You said it was down near the the megaton. You could tell him. You could tell him. Yeah. There's a 166 mile hole in the Gulf Mexico knocked out 50 miles of land. You know what that puts you closer to? Magma. We just found out four years ago there's actually a volcano on the bottom of the Gulf. What do you know about magma? It's iron that flows right? Electromagnetism. Huge magnetic field. Magnetic field there is stronger than ever is. What do you know about Mars? It's a dead red planet with no magnetic field. What do you know about Earth?

3:19:45It's got a molten core that keeps flowing. Where that thing hit, anything around there, anything in the tropic of capricorn cancer, where light is stable. Remember, this whole pod has a story of light. Light stability in physics, planetary physics happens between those zones. So if you're at zero latitude, all the time you have 12 hours, the darkness, 12 hours of sunlight. When you move away from that, 20th latitude is Cancun. That's where the cenotes are. At the Equinox, when it's the day is long, it's on the 21st of June. You know how much you lose? You get 12 hours, but when you get, I should say, December 21st, You only lose 46 minutes of sunlight.

3:20:35So if you really understand what I'm saying, the more light you get from the sun, the more healthy you become. See, PETA, Adi, I just did a podcast and I know you're influenced by this, but I'm gonna say this to you to flamux you again. PETA and you believe that having all these big muscles and being strong is really important longevity. If that's true, then explain to me why near barcelized clinic, an Albert Einstein in New York has these little old Jewish guys that are all super -sut -nerans that don't look like that. Why doesn't anybody who's 100 years old ever look like Michelangelo's David?

3:21:12I'm going to tell you the answer because it comes from Doug Wallace. Humans don't bury their mitochondrial capacity in their muscle skeletal system. They do it in their brains and their hearts. So you know what the single most important muscle is? You're hard, which gets right to the very fact where we are at Rick. So I would disagree vehemently with you and Peter. That strength is the key to longevity. No, I think your heteroplasmary rate in your mitochondria here and here is the single most important thing if you're a human. Now, if you're a gorilla, I will agree with you and Peter. They bury their mitochondrial density, hence the reason they look as they do.

3:21:56But what did we do from gorilla or eight to us? We shortened our guts expanded our brains We also lost our muscles why because what is energy in life? It's a zero -sum game All we're doing is shifting the poker chips around that's effectively what's happening and this is also Corroborated and I'm surprised Peter's made this mistake because I am calling this out as a mistake

3:22:21human's die of brain and heart diseases, number one and number two. It's not even close. And he's a doctor. He should know better. Nobody's dying of muscle skeletal disease. Well, I think he would say that cardiovascular disease, cerebral vascular disease, are you going to be the major killers? Well, but the reason why he's saying this one I'm trying to get to your answer, the reason why he's saying is the wrong reason. It's the reason why he missed the methylene blue story. He doesn't understand mitochondria as well as you think. So if the key location is the brain in the heart, what are the ways to charge and increase the density of mitochondria and brain in heart?

3:22:57Take a look at your friend Rick. How does his solar panel look? Looks good. How do you do it? Melonin brings the sunlight in so that the melanin semiconductors inside him are regenerated. Effectively what Rick's done in Costa to Rick and Hawaii is the melanin renovation prescription. If you want to send in them for the left and prescription, there you go. That's what it is. How much time and air you spending outside in the morning, Rick? Probably about 90 minutes on a walk in the hot sun, you know, latitude nine. I realize with Rick's story, because he said we're allowed to talk about it because I want you to get the gist of it.

3:23:40His aortic valve and his aorta, thoracic level, trashed. What did I know about that? Melanopsin is present in blood vessels. Rick used to wear sunglasses, never got sun. So Rick's ears were maintained. But what did he cook in the RPEs? It's fun. Cardiac plexus. What do you know about the cardiac plexus? Got any I also slept completely opposite of the planetary rhythm. I wouldn't leave my house until five o 'clock when the sunset. And then I would come back home as the sun was rising. And then I would sleep all day. How many years did you do that? From college till I changed. Because that's music industry.

3:24:29Yeah, that's the rock and roll schedule. But that's all she just said it. That's true. That's what doctors and nurses do. That's the reason why in the nurses health study, you see the effect. You want to see something interesting, Andrew? Go into the ICU at Stanford. After you do this podcast for me, you'll see that every ICU nurse is a fat ass. You know what they do? They sit at night. It's night nurses. You got to go on night. They sit in front of a blue lit screen from an EMR, get radiated, and artificial light all around them all night. and they're up at the wrong time. It's blatantly obviously.

3:25:04Well, air traffic controllers at night, same thing. But guess what, the other ones that are bad pilots. How about doctors? Doctors never killed themselves. When I was young, I told you I used to be a dentist. I was an oral surgeon. I've never forget the sendettals who they say, yeah, you guys kill yourself more than anybody else. Now it turns out doctors do. Doctors are burning out at record rates. Guess why? They took our charts away that we write in. Now they make us use EMRs to satisfy corporate medicine. How do you, um, can we put a reasonable explanation around this statistic that I think is true?

3:25:35If it's not, let me know, which is that, um, the greatest percentage of suicides occurs as days start to get longer. So April is the cruelest month in the Northern hemisphere. And yeah, you have to qualify that which hemisphere it is, but is absolutely true. The reason why do you realize, remember, we talked about lights stability before in latitude? when you realize we talked about the KT event, this was a photosynthetic event, meaning we got rid of UV light. We're doing the same thing with our own light. So what am I asking you to realize now in your own mind? This is a time scale. Remember I told you about space and time?

3:26:09Today's mammals, the most complex one with the most unbelievable epigenetic toolbox and melanin in them, now have invited their own KT event. It's called the modern light. And what else has technology done? Technology is brought us from outside in. I mean, technically we should be doing this podcast outside. We could do that if we could open up all the windows. But the point I'm trying to make to you, we don't look at it like that. Like here's the other crazy thing that I go against the Darwinist that I want you to hear clearly. Don't you find it amazing that all the Neolithic diseases that we have in the last hundred years showed up since 1893?

3:26:46You realize that Alzheimer's didn't show up in the Lertz from 1911. Autism 1940. What about this obesity epidemic? What about it? Every 10 % we spend on technology, obesity goes up 1 % in the NAN's data. Guess why? Lept in Milano -Cortin pathway. Jack Cruz is an afflicted. My friend Rick Rubin afflicted. I mean, every time I hear about the obesity epidemic or a suicide, I point to the fact that... Blue light. I... Circadian rhythms are messed up. Well, guess what? Blue light destroys melatonin and DHA in the central retinopathlete to start this process off, which is part of the reason why I came here because I'm mad at you when you told people, I don't worry about glasses, I don't worry about contacts.

3:27:27So you're telling us not? I'll correct the record for sure, but I want to make sure that I get it right. So contacts makes perfect sense to me based on the oxygenation issue. You don't want to cap the front of the eye. Tell the audience the why. Because remember, the cornea is translucent, it has no blood vessels in it. So how does it get oxygen? Straight from the air. So you don't want to cover it in it. No way, it's plastic bag. When you cover oxygen, What do you do? You change stuff. Well, not only that, that's a good way to understand. I want you to go deeper. When you're done with me today, Jack, we narrowed the wide band semi -conductors so it can't make enough UV light distal in the system.

3:28:05That's the real answer. Changing oxygen tension alone. Do you remember when you posted something on Twitter and I went ballistic on it? Which time? About fluoride. Oh, yeah. And you remember why I said it? because fluoride is more electronegative than oxygen. So when you put fluoride in anything, what do you effectively do? You steal electrons. Well, then in that case, you will like the water episode because I go after fluoride with vengeance. Because there are now data saying that fluoride at what most people consider trivial levels are severely impairing thyroid hormone function. And I know people are gonna accuse me of being a wacko, but when you look at the data, It's just blatant.

3:28:47No, the world is fucked up. You're finding the truth, but you want to know why? Until today, you didn't know anything about iodine, semi -conduction, and that iodine improves wide band semi -conduction. And what did I tell you before about the periodic table? One to 53, 53 is iodine. Why the hell would nature use a group seven halogen? Because it's a tonic mass is so big, it needs its electrons, but it brings protons closer together. It allows us to proton tunnel. And what are we? We are the mammal that has the most massive for our engine in our head. And it turns out iodine is really important.

3:29:23I always tell people what the thyroid is. You make thyroid hormone. In case you don't know, T3 and T4 from tyrosine. Oh, we're back to that story again. 200 to 400 nanometer light. So you make it from light. But here's the craziest part of the story. The numbers in T3 and T4 stand for iodine. So what do I always tell my mitochondricks when they're not scientific people? In a car, your mitochondria is the engine. You know what your thyroid is? The gas pedal. When you have hypothyroidism, you got to stuck gas pedal. You can only go through L .A. traffic at 20 miles an hour. That's what hypothyroidism is.

3:30:00The effects of fluoride on the thyroid are striking. So for filtering water, I know that you're a proponent of reverse osmosis water. Yeah, but I'll tell you the filters. You know, Burke is the big one that always talks about fluoride and getting out. I did hacks on them. They're full of shit. I just got to say that because it's just not cool. What filters work for getting fluoride out? You can't get fluoride out. The only thing you can do is you overwhelm the system when I and I, so I told people in a podcast, I used to have fluorosis on my anterior incisor. Used to be a dentist and I asked everybody in dental school about this.

3:30:32And of course, I got all centralized answers. Then when I got smarter and I started going through my weight loss. I'm like, you know what? Part of my prescription is seafood because of the DHA, but iodine is huge there. So what I found out is the more seafood I ate, the more CBD, the fluorosis went away. So the same thing is true. When I'm a spine surgeon, when I do surgery, I can see fluorosis in the bone as well. So when I see that, and I'm operating on somebody, immediately, as soon as they wake up, I'm like, you're going to change what you're doing. Like, we're going to talk about the number one way people get poisoned with fluoride today isn't what they think.

3:31:07It used to be water now, it's big pharma. You want to take a look at any single pharmaceutical that is dealing with frontal lobe disease, you know, mental illness, almost all of that fluoride in it. The other interesting thing that I've pointed out to my anesthesiologist who put people asleep, the older general anylation drugs like halothol, halothane, all fluoridated hydrocarbons. I've used halophen and a lot of nasty stuff. Right. But just so you know, me and her grew up using halophen. We use isofluring, no? Terrible. Think about what you just said. But that's what I want to explain to you.

3:31:47When you understand, when you understand how to work, like look, you use this stuff, but you realize that CRNA is who work with us. Those are certified registered nurse that help the anesthesiologist out. Do you know that when they go in a room, you have to measure how much gas around them, because they abort their fetuses. So if you're aborting the fetus and you know that the womb is controlled by leptin, fecundity in humans is controlled by the hormone leptin. Yeah, I think leptin flips on puberty in females. Correct. Exactly correct. So when you know this and you're putting people in these chemicals, like I'm talking toothpaste, hair dyes, you know the dentist with the fluoride stuff, I mean holy shit.

3:32:29And you gotta remember, I'm a former dentist. When I was a kid, I had no role for human health. It's a toxin. When I was a kid, I went to the dentist. I had, it was an old school thing. So they put me in front of a cartoon and they put these little trays around my teeth and soak my teeth in fluoride. And I hated it. So what did I do? I gulped it down. Thinking this was gonna be a, that explains everything. Putes everywhere, right? And that's when I realized this stuff is super toxic. Super toxic. They did that to me one time and then everyone back to the dentist. I wish my parents had done that.

3:33:02I hated it. So, Shontal just handed me a piece of paper. This one's a good one. I'm glad you said this. So you were talking about light stability before? So I did, I forget. I forget who it was, but the Somalis, you know, we have Somalis that come to the United States here in about the last 20, 25 years because they have, you know, civil war in their country in Africa. So the largest population is in the Detroit area. So that's about 44th latitude. So in Somalia, if you talk to them, they have no word for autism. In the United States, they developed the word because they have the highest rates of autism there.

3:33:39So remember, the human cradle where we believe we went from chimp to human, you know, I know I'm offending people who believe in evolution. I should say in God, but that's fine. In the East African Rift, that's where three tectonic plates came together. That's the cradle of human life according to the fossil record that we have. Somai is really close to that. And these people, when you look at their skin, they got melanin big time. So that means that they can stay in sunlight for a really long time. You ever been a Detroit lady? Not a lot of sun. Lot different than the East African Rift. So I want you to think about what I said with melanin in them.

3:34:17They're losing the melanin inside their head. What does that do to the germinal matrix and the babies that are coming? start to see the connection there. So, you know, when I talk to people about, you know, brain stuff, they kind of pay attention to me because they know I'm a neurosurgeon, but they're like, yeah, but autism is not a neurosurgeon's disease. Well, guess what? It's not a neurosururgical disease, but when you know how to treat people with brain surgery without a scalpel, I think it's in my wheelhouse. Is there evidence that putting kids with autism into more regular circadian cycles can benefit them?

3:34:55I mean, my sense is the answer has to be yes because you benefit every biological system now. You know, you know, the story of Temple Grandin? Yes. Okay, so guess what? This goes to Rick's point. Remember when we talked before about taking the headphones off and letting the bass sounds go through you? Have you ever found it weird as a scientist that just putting cows through a tight space makes them easier to slaughter. And it turns out when you constrain an autistic kid, the same thing happens. Do you know why? You mean not easier to slaughter? You mean the kid becomes more docile? Well, I'm talking about the kid becomes controlled.

3:35:26Right. But the same thing with the animal. Right. Do you know why hydrogen bonding network changes in water and actually makes the more quantum. That's like swaddling babies as well. You got it. So it makes a very complex discussion in the book, remember, no science. Rick's got to get, I want Rick to know what's in that book. There's some Jack Cruz in that book. I want him to know these observations that he made. These are powerful. When I read stuff in his book, when he opens that up and sees what I wrote, he's going to go son of a bitch. I want him to know the science because you know what? He is known as an artist.

3:36:03I want him to be a scientist. I'm known as a scientist. I'm trying to embrace the art. That's the reason we come together. That's the reason why you decide whether you like somebody or not. Everybody has had the experience when you meet somebody like, this guy's an asshole. I don't want any part of them. And other people, you're just like, I don't know what it is about that guy, but I want to go out to dinner. I want to have a glass of wine with them. You know, I'd like to talk to them about something else. It's kind of like what you said before when you met Rick, started telling them about your personal problems.

3:36:35There was something about Rick where you felt that you can communicate and I think the reason you liked this book so much actually is tied to that reason that is quantum coherence that is water chemistry you all your protein semiconductors in you sense that you are a photo multiplier my friend you just don't know it I'm that dude remember I told you visible coach visible coach that explains the magic that he talks about. There's a story I wanted to share related something he said about the institute for the advancement of human potential, which is a place in Pennsylvania, where they treat brain injured kids.

3:37:15And they have a success rate of kids who are born blind. They have a 90 % success rate of getting kids who are born blind to be able to see with no drug therapy, just through physical therapy and movement patterns. And there's something that we found through the brain injuries that was, there was a moral dilemma. Because some of these kids, brain injured kids, had some special gifts like in virtuoso violinist, incredible painter. And when their brains were repaired, those gifts went away. That's the semi -connection story. You just just tried. What's the right thing to do? It's like, what's more valuable?

3:38:05Do we want another normal drone? Or do you want a Picasso? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I tell you this story. When you were saying this, I smiled at Sean Tell. Because I taught her this. She didn't know about it. So, and I know you've heard this. You know, there's a lot of people who are sexual deviance that have foot fetishes. Neon O .Y. Is it, I always thought that fetishes relate to the fact that most of the fetishes are not for random things, but for things that are potentially infectious, like dead bodies, feces, feet, etc. You ever look at the homonculus on the brain? Yes. What's the feet next to?

3:38:40The genitals. Yeah, so the homonculus is the representation of the body in the brain, and so the highest density of represent, the map is far bigger for the genitals and feet than it is for anything else. So guess what? What happens is when the wide band semiconductor changes just what happened with Eddie Chang and the tumor. Same thing can happen with your feet when it happens. The person has much more sensitive feet and it acts more like a sexual organ. I think Ramachandran, they were all just talked about people who had their foot amputated and they would then experience orgasm in their phantom foot because of plasticity in the brain.

3:39:15Well, I mean, his story on mirrors and stuff is absolutely, listen, those are the things for a neurosurgeon like me who sees the science in the art. This tells you the mysteries of the brain are over then. We need things like that to really make us curious. Rick will love this because he loves magic. So Ramachandr did these incredible experiments. You know, people who have an amputation will often have a phantom limit. and it's in pain or in a position that's uncomfortable for them. So he created these mirror boxes where they would put their hand in and they'd move their hand, but they had to look at the mirror and they would see a reflection of what appeared to be the hand that they don't have a hand, but it looked like they did and they would feel the hand relaxing and then they could put into a position or in their pocket they were comfortable with purely by visual perception.

3:40:08So in a way it's using what we sometimes call magic, but visual illusion to completely rewire the nervous system in real time. I had that experience with... But isn't that what I just told you about melanin? That mammals have that ability in their rectiderm. Isn't that still the story I told you about backer and limb amputation? See, you need to see something that's already published and say, God, this makes total sense now. So you're not shocked by it. You're like, what are the implications? Well, you offered a mechanism. Correct. When I used virtual reality glasses, I've been in experiences where I get very nauseous based on the experience.

3:40:51But if it closed your eyes, it stops. Right away. Right away. If you're seeing it, you feel the nausea. If you close your eyes, it goes away. And that's just so you know, that's mitigated through the vagus nerve. And one of the parts of the vagus nerve doesn't have a blood brain barrier. but it goes back to the point I made earlier that most of your cortex in your brain is visual. Most of the wiring, we are creatures of light. It's so difficult for people to accept. It's not difficult for you to accept because I think functionally you get it. But I didn't know if you knew about the science of hearing, about why is the cochlea shape as a seashell that you find on the shore.

3:41:35Why does it have melanin? Because you actually use light to hear. That's the key. And then that light is transmitted to a DC electric current that goes through your eighth nerve. And then there's a somatotopic organization in the auditory cortex, you know, in Warnockies area, all the things that Uberman likes to talk about. But there's nuances like we were just talking at lunchtime about kids. I'm starting to see this very unusual, and when I say kids, I'm talking 25 and below, people that use the Apple iPod in their ear, what do you ever call them? AirPods? Earpods? Well, they're starting to get, many more cases of both hearing loss, tinnitus, and this new diagnosis called, I'm gonna probably butcher the name, misanthropia, and it's not got a DSM classification, in medicine, but this is what it's like, because I'm sure there's probably some people who are gonna listen to this go, damn, I may have this.

3:42:37It's where you develop like horrible sensations from a silence. Yeah. It's almost like a synesthesia that you get, but we're seeing it much more frequently in kids who are using these devices. And the reason why this is a big deal, and I think you know this, human's don't have myelinated cortex, meaning the fat around the nerves until you're 25 years old. This is the reason why you can't run a car or a hotel room until your orbital frontal cortex is wired, because it protects you from electromagnetic pollution. The front lobes are the last thing that usually wires, usually the base of the front lobes.

3:43:18So that's why people who are teenagers tend to do crazy things at that part of their life. The big thing is though when you're not myelinated, you need to realize as a clinician that these kids, melanin semiconductors are at risk huge. Now the one good thing about melanin, it even absorbs all the way up to gamma level radiation. The problem becomes the way in which we use it. Water is always adjacent to where melanin is. And water does have a limit to what it can do. And what happens is those melanin and semiconductors in your ear degrade. And if it's not recognized by the ENT doctor or the pediatrician, what can happen is these kids can go from a very unusual hearing problem to a mental issue.

3:44:07And many of the things that we're seeing, like one of the big changes I've seen in my career in neurosurgery, suicide was never really a problem in the below 20 crowd or the below 15 crowd. Now it's like commonplace and I've seen it. I've also seen probably the big thing in my world is carotid disease in kids that are really young. And this kind of is linked to your issue. The reason why is we didn't know that melanopsin was in blood vessels. So if you think about where you put the cell phone, it's right next to your carotid. If you think about screens, it's usually in front of your face. So we're seeing lesions and we can't explain them.

3:44:44Like you talked to a vascular surgeon, and you just ask them a question. And then I usually tell them ask your surgeons, do you ask your patients if they have pets? And they look at me like, why are you asking about a pet? I said, you'll find out if you ask doctors in a community, what diseases their patients have, you'll find out the pets have the same disease. So guess what? This story is big. It's teaching you that some of the same programs are built into our animals. They don't have the epi -chandetic toolbox in order to tolerate, you know, the signal to noise ratio. But even within the human species, kids are much different because their neurologic systems are completely different than the adult form.

3:45:32And the thing is, when you realize that in the last 20 years, you and I probably know this better than he does, but the way we grow up and the way kids are growing up now, in terms of the technology use, it's unbelievable. I kind of spanned the transition because I'm 47 so it was like Internet came in email came in wells in college But you know, I didn't play video games still don't yeah, but kids now. I mean it's on screen Yeah, so much screen time Tell me about the Considering the fact that there are all of these There are some of these environmental factors that we can control. We could move to a better place.

3:46:15We could get rid of our smart meters. We could not carry devices with us. What are the things that we can do beyond what we take away that strengthens our ability to deal with these stressors? Like what do you do to be able to go into surgery? Yeah, I would tell you my answer may surprise you. I think the number one thing that I would like to see do Not to be Hyperbolic, but what I'm gonna say I truly believe but I know this is gonna not resonate with some part of your audience I believe we're in a sixth extinction event just like the KT event right now and we're going through cognitive de -evolution I think the biggest change I'd like to see is parents have to stop letting their kids use technology as a digital babysitter.

3:47:10I view the use of technology in an unmodulated brain the same way you and I would probably look at a kid in 1970s being pulled into Walmart and get his ass kicked by his father. It's absolute child abuse. That's how I feel about it. That is an epidemic in parenting. And the parents, most of them are low dopamine to begin with, so they can't deal with the kid. So the technology helps quiet the kid down, but effectively what you're doing is you're dumbing the kid down. You're making him a low dopamine, low melatonin, and you're disturbing the water. The nice thing about kids, the one protection they do have, when they don't have the melanin, when a child is born, they're 80 % water.

3:47:54You and I right now were probably about 55, 60%. So that's a built in protection because water acts like a ferritate cage. Melanin is the real ferritate cage, but remember, we don't have a ton of that on the outside. We do, but not the melon, and like we have inside our head. Neuromelan is different than the melon, and we have on our skin. Even African Americans are dark like the Somalis we talked about. That melon isn't as dark as the melon that's in the substantiate Niagara, or in the the locus areuleus. Should we start tomorrow talking about water? Would that be a good, like, deep dive tomorrow to start with?

3:48:31Yeah, I mean, I'm eating this up, by the way, and I feel like we're transitioning a bit to sort of practicals in some ways. We don't, we get, we'll transition back to other things. Yeah. I want to make sure at some point tomorrow, we talk about cytochrome. I want to make sure I understand cytochrome. What's the mouth of every cytochrome? What's that? What's in the mouth of every side of Chrome? What's in the mouth of the... Yeah. Iron and sulfur. What did I just tell you about the period of... Magnetism. No. Summing conductor. Remember, it's doped. Iron is doped by sulfur. Now all I see in my mind's eye are like these waves of chromophores.

3:49:11Uh -huh. You know, stuff like that. You're a stuff like that. Look, when you said that, I have to tell you, that Rick said there's going to be a moment where you're gonna realize it was wise for you to come. That was my moment with you. Because you may disagree with a lot of what I said, but you got it when you made that comment. I think you disagreed with it. I don't think you said. I'm, you know, one thing, you know, I don't know if this is meaningful for for you or for the audience, but I'll just say anyway, I think I wasn't completely forthcoming. What I think helped Rick and I resonate early on, at least for me was I grew up in the punk rock thing.

3:49:47And I knew that he knew Joe Stromer, so I wanted stories about Joe. And he gave me a few stories. And then I realized that, you know, and Rick said when we were trying to build our podcast studio, he was like, well, his words, I came up in punk rock, so I want to keep things small and the particular feel. For me, feel is everything. It's what guided my choices of what to experiment on. Of course, it's not how I guide my interpretation of the data because the data are the data, as you know. But for me, it's always been like who are the people looking at things differently? So I'm not disagreeing at all.

3:50:21I'm dazzled and delighted. And to me, like I don't know a ton of physics. I know some, so I have a lot to learn. But I know that this idea about melanin being the screen and the idea that ourselves emit light and the idea in my mind now, this image of waves of light or flashes of light. We don't know what the organization is, you know. None of us do because we don't have photo multipliers. Exactly. And all I want to do is see it. But I can see it in my mind. I remember something, the guys that you trained from this day forward, just the fact that you can get up in front of a room full of medical students and say, look, I don't know if this is true, but I think there's a possibility that we all have a cuddle our brain and that one of you may win a Nobel Prize someday for finding.

3:51:11If you do that, you will do what St. George he did for Becker. The 1941 speech that he gave about his Nobel Prize is he just said to his students, Becker was a medical student at the time, because I think proteins are semiconductors. It's all All he said, and look what Becker did with it. 25 years later, proved it in bone. Now look where we are, 35 years later, and we're still talking about that modern science still doesn't understand what Becker found. And the implications, Eddie Changwise, incalculable. Yeah, incalculable. To be continued, love it.

3:52:21I'm going to go to the beach. I'm going to the beach. I'm going to the beach.