Dr. Jack Kruse and Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (Part 2)

29:25We just don't know it 60 % is present there. So coherent domains become more prominent in water when sunlight hits it. That's the TLDR of water. So now let's fast forward to 2013. Rick gets a book by a guy named Jerry Pollock. Jerry Pollock writes a book that is so simple that a third grader couldn't shit the bed with this one. It's really easy to understand. He basically took all the scientists that I just told you the reason I went through this litany, you're a scientist, you're going to fact check me. I just gave you a bunch of names and a lot of things you can read. Eventually you're going to find out that most of things in Pollock's book are true, not all of them are, but most of them are.

30:12The difference is that I want Rick to understand is he still uses the term easy. I heard him use it. And yes, what I even shut him down. I said, don't say that. Easy water is coherent domain water. It's quantum coherent. So the next step is realizing everything about the human animal, everything about any. We are quantum coherent with our environment, meaning warm wet environments allow quantum coherence. What's the key potassium changes the water molecules. Potassium chloride put together raises the band gap 7 .67 right plus 3 .10 you get in the sun. That's the last little bit. What does effectively all of that mean to a physicist.

30:57You just created a free pile of redox electrons to move wherever you want. So that's the energy. That's the battery of the battery of the human. And that's what the basis of water is. It creates the redox pile of electrons to move within the system, which is exactly what a semiconductor does. My understanding of the Gerald Pollock synthesis is that in the presence of a solid or in the presence of some plasma like structures or organelles that water reorganizes so that positive and negative charges no longer are the only ones that track, but you can now get like charges, you know, positive, positive charges attracting one another.

31:42So you structure the quote, quote, structure the water in interesting ways. So when he, when he I've heard him talk about a fourth phase of water. What Rick was calling easy water. And I guess I just think of his fourth phase of water. My understanding, you know, the ellipse on that that I took to the biology, I'm probably wrong here is that when water is inside of cells and interacting with organelles like mitochondria, it is not the same water that went into the system. It is structured in this fourth phase arrangement where it isn't just positive and negatives that kind of attract you can essentially get kind of almost plasma like formations with water.

32:24Is that water water is a plasma. So you're right about that. What Pollock has got his main claim to fame is that he showed easy water has a negative charge. So you remember from our vernacular meaning science, the redox potential inside of something, you know, when you're healthy is minus 400 millivolts, when you're not, it's minus 200 millivolts. So if you look at the difference between like say NAD positive or any DPH all the way to oxygen, that difference should be negative 400 millivolts. But what happens when you lose the ability to create this redox pile of electrons. You have a problem.

32:59What did Pollock tell everybody do? You shine light on the water and guess what happens. You create easy. In other words, the battery gets bigger because you charge separating water, which brings us back to my original point. What got me started on this the first step in photosynthesis is the charge separation of water to create has a negative charges to create a battery. Basically, now we've worked it out in cell biology. This is in fact true in mitochondria as well because remember where the difference in biology we make our own water. Remember photosynthesis takes water from the hydrology cycle on the planet.

33:36It uses all types of water. Doesn't matter what kind it is and it makes energy and makes sugars from it makes different things. My Dekondria are different. They're racist. They don't like to tear him. To tear him is a huge problem in the matrix. Now you have to remember that the single most important innovation in the eukaryotic world is the TCA cycle, the Krebs cycle. That's what Albert St. Georgie won the Nobel Prize for. To lay all this stuff out and that cycle requires that the hydrogens that are added back to an AD positive are proteum, which is light hydrogen. Just a hydrogen atom, no electron.

34:18What happens in mitochondria? Those hydrogens are recycled through ATPase, 3 .4 turns, you make an ATP. 9 ,000 protons usually per second, according to what Ling worked out, creates that. It's an incredible number when you look at it. You begin to realize you have to have an incredible amount of energy to do this. If you look at the things inside cells, remember I told you before that calcium predominantly is inside the mitochondrial matrix. I knew right away that that had to be part of the the wide man semiconductor. Magnesium affects 56 of the enzymes in the energy pathway. So guess what? Magnesium plays a big role too.

35:06What's the big part of the water story for mitochondria? This is probably the simplest one for me and Andrew. I think it's simple for you to because you've talked and followed my work for a while. Cytocrone C oxidase, which is the fourth side of chrome, makes water in us. Remember we talked about the spider on the mirror with mitochondrial respiration and photosynthesis. They're mirror images of each other. So we consume water on the photosynthetic side, but we create it on the mitochondrial side. This basic fact, I have to tell you, most people in centralized medicine, mess it. Like when you say a mitochondria makes water, they look at you like you're crazy.

35:43The reason why is because they have been stumped by Peter Mitchell's Nobel Prize, which is why Ling went crazy for 60 years. And everybody thought he was a raving lunatic and I'm telling you my opinion. Top three scientists in the 20th century, Albert Einstein, Feynman and Gilbert Ling. I'm not kidding. Everybody else you can throw in the garbage. And I have a reverence for Albert St. George. He's not the top three. This is how smart Ling was. He was so smart that he had a problem different than Albert Einstein. No one knew what he was talking about. He just died last year. We're sitting here now and I'm telling you his work is still on the edge of science, but the craziest part of the story is from his science.

36:32We got the MRI machine. That tells you that this guy was doing something right. And we're doing something wrong because again nature doesn't make mistakes. A question about deuterium and deuterium depleted water. So my understanding. My understanding is that deuterium is enriched in water closer to the ocean at sea level. Put that on your reading list. So just to know the book I just threw at Andrew is a book called defeating cancer written by Gabore Somali. There are randomized control clinical trials because I know Andrew likes those about the effect of deuterium depleted water and deuterium on different cancer lines.

37:11And you will find that every single cancer out there is associated with amplification of the Cox two enzyme that affects the uncoppling protein number two to allow deuterium in to block the TCA cycle. So it ruins proton tunneling for the reason I mentioned to Rick earlier one deuterium affects how many hydrogen 96 there you go see Rick's got it Rick. That's all you need to know about physics that that deuterium is bad shit. So Rick you see what's on my hand. Yep deuterium depleted 25 parts per million this bottle. Andrew would only cost you about 20 bucks hard to get. I found it hard to get well it is this stuff is this is the stuff that that books written about.

37:51This is what my clients use when they come to see me if so remember you asked me ask you because I want to be directly accurate with you. You said Jack what supplements you're okay with here it is Andrew got it this is the supplement of kings so you were asking a question before the book came. Yeah yeah well I had a question walking in here day but has more to with melanin all remember I'm going to get to that I'm going to ask later I'm going to see the story is a question about tattoos and so you can't you can't talk about it yeah okay great so let's let's remember to talk about that but I think right now so with deuterium the story I just want to give this to you so you know Rick I don't know if you know this.

38:36The part of the lady that was in this story may when she knew all of these same people she wrote a series of books that I would strongly recommend you she's dead now she came in on the podcast which is a shame but that book details everything that I just told you about water. Okay this book is literally heavy yeah well take a look no it like if you feel the weight of this book. It's not a huge book but it read I want you to look at what I did to that book does it look anything so much what I did to your book yeah you're writing all over it right so that's what I do with books so um uh deuterium depleted water my understood crude un un un like educated version of this is um deuterium is is enriched water closer to sea level as you get away from sea level deuterium is less less deuterium in water from springs and Alps and mountain top high latitude the reason this works because I want you to understand this is really important if you understand Jack Cruz's science here that when you get close to the quater deuterium doesn't matter why because the sun is so strong remember we talked about 12 hours of sunlight and daylight when you go up to this 59th latitude the boreal forest marks the end of where life is so from 59 above there's no life okay it's all albedo effect because there's no sun up there so what happens deuterium depleted water is much higher there because what does it do carries more energy because it's not enough light.

40:06This is this it feels analogous to yesterday's discussion about animals having to go into the dark and creating energy from an internal source correct. I mean I realized this is broad thematic is a brush sweeping on my part but this idea that in the end what cells and organisms are trying to do is create stable sources of energy. Absolutely and sun obviously is the best one for many organisms not all but um in the absence of sun cells have alternate routes. That's exactly the ticket and the alternate route we covered in detail yesterday which is very UV, VUV to IR we can create light stronger than the sun by using atoms on the periodic table that build wide band semiconductors.

40:56You just mentioned the one you wanted to talk about here's your time to step in because I just gave you the story of water that's it. Melanin is the best there's nothing evolution hasn't come up with anything better than neuro melanin now we have few melanin and you melanin remember I told you they're doped with sulfur and nitrogen but neuro melan is doped with other things. Now the reason I bring this to you is I want you to go back to Stanford to talk to the semiconductor guys because what they're doing right now they are now studying condensed matter physicists are studying melanin it is the most unique material.

41:36I think they're beginning to realize that maybe the whole story about graphene let's move away from that melanin is way more interesting. To me that and again I'm this is I'm like kindergarten version of this but to me one of the more interesting things about melanin is this link between melanin and dopamine. By the way I love randomized control trials I also love the idea that nature is the ultimate trial. I fully subscribe to that because I love animals so very much and early on I was delighted is the only word to learn that for instance of the same gene pathway that is the same gene path way.

42:15So I think that is involved in the synthesis of dopamine is involved in controlling pellage color like a rabbit in the winter is white and in the summer is dark and in the spring and summer is trying to mate like crazy and is eating like crazy and getting leaner. Right and in the winter time is eating very little is getting fatter and is and is very pale and that's because of the relationship between the tyrosine ace and Simon and and in the summer and you know in the winter it's depressed literally you know it's physically and and probably emotionally a little bit depressed and in the summer it's ready to go wild spring fever as well and so the relationship between melanin and dopamine to me is so intriguing because of what we talked about yesterday which is you know I I don't shy away from the who you know so I think a comment on Twitter yesterday somebody said that the wow behind the who is what it's all about and I love that.

43:07Yeah but it is because when you see the mechanism yourself like one of the things that you're saying that I hope it's resonating the reason I'm jumping in here the link between melanin and dopamine is light water and oxygen that changes seasonally remember yes I want I mentioned to you that that trip to fan is one of these really interesting amino acids that can be catabolized as a ketone or as a gluconeogenic amino acid. So that's got to get you as a biochemist and go why is nature doing this and it turns out you just answered it in your rabbit example because that's how animals change seasons and guess what we didn't have seasonal changes when the atmosphere was dominated by methane and a reducing element when there was CO2 but there was no nitrogen and no oxygen that's the point that I'm trying to make to you and this is the reason why on Twitter you saw me go nuts when you start talking about fluoride and oxygen because it's not a problem.

44:05So the quantum leap that I got to get you to understand how you change the VUV IR frequency is water chemistry changes oxygen tension is change and this is going to what's going to change dopamine and when you really step down the rabbit hole what am I really saying I'm telling you that this left in Milano Port and pathway it explains a lot of things like where our frontal lobes came from where autism came from. And those are hyperbolic big things that normally most people at Stanford say that's going to require a lot of proof well I got news here I'm laying it at your doorstep this is it. 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I put right at the end about the cancer research that now found that cancer cells metastasized not the way we thought it's actually when my toastis is broken when there's no UV light that's when cells migrate the most are you talking about the diet of the surface of of dense melanoma the you talked about neuro melanin and we talk yesterday about the fact that when you look at a brain even unstained for any neurochemicals you can see dark regions like substantiate and I grew you're the neurosurgeon I spent a lot of time looking brains to but you spent far more than I have for sure so if I zoom in really close to a neuron or a little volume of brain tissue I don't see those cells as dark but you're telling me there is neuro melanin in them it's just look at your own skin and look at your own eye you realize that the blue that you have in your eye is also melanin right you the skin of me you and Rick is we're all white guys he's probably fits Patrick to I'm fix Patrick one 59th latitude you're probably if it's Patrick to so you got melanin your skin but see the promise you don't look at it like that but I want you to we don't somebody who's an albino or has Vidal I go when you see that and they have your skin you're like oh yeah that's obvious their melanin has been pulled in the same thing in albino they may not have the darkest dark but they are going to have something where the substantial niger is now realize are they subject to other diseases that we don't get the answer is yes so they are a clue to this mystery you know that I'm trying to lay out to you that was a question I asked yesterday was about when I'm 10 and I get on a flight and I get off a flight six hours later I'm not as 10 anymore which is strange because it's too short of a time but that's why I thought Andrew would love this story but the idea that the you're sucking it in what what Jack is saying is that the reason is not on my skin anymore is because going inside to do work inside I guess what because this is this is the neuroplasticity like Andrew and I know that we learned this together the brain was not neuroplastic soon as you were six years old you were screwed that's what I was taught you know that the brain just doesn't come back and what I'm saying to the world right now is not only is the brain neuroplastic it's way more plastic than we could even fathom and the evidence is standing right in front of us and beckers work on fingertip regeneration on melanin but the biggie the biggie in complex mammals with huge epigenetic toolboxes which is humans or chimps is in our immune system that's where it's really found because what does a wet white blood cell have I tweeted this morning about what we're going to talk about today and I put down a very specific slide that I'm referencing to you now because you can go look at it white blood cells and you know pita adia had told you all this stuff about the heart I'm dude I'm trying to hit everybody I'm trying to knock down every sacred cow tell me your length is affected massively when it's it's screwed in white blood cells it's threefold higher risk to cause heart attacks so remember yesterday when I casually dropped you that rats and humans have pomsy in their cytoplasm what's the whole point of that to keep your white blood cells mobile you have the block UV light coming from the nucleus so guess what their cytoplasm does something completely bizarre that allows that to migrate and mobilize to go where it needs to go to do its job so we think about this pathologically because cancer is the first thing we think about with mobility and cells and why does it go it turns out the reason why cancer cells move is they're looking for UV light because the tissue they came from doesn't have any of this vuv to high our light and Gouricest paper is the key for you to understand that that might a genetic radiation it's huge so the dominant paradigm the absolute thing that I hate the most that I know Rick no longer believes is that UV light isn't a toxin It's actually the found a youth for mammals internally generated UV light no externally too well externally because remember or both right because remember what we're saying here alpha msh comes from pomsy you as a neuroplacicity guy now You're your job if you choose to accept it is to go find out every tissue that makes pomsy like I did And a pretty I think they're amazing talks in Vermont 2016 on photosynthesis because that's what we're talking about today See the one and 2017 was all about equals I'm c squared and how light gets slowed down and it was a little bit about what we're talking now The one I did in 2018 was the first part of the deuterium store that you we haven't even touched on yet Why do theorems in the blood and it's not anywhere else it actually is a UV story.

51:38So I'll give it to you the In the blood we have 150 parts per million of deuterium, but in the mitochondrial matrix you want almost next to none So on the surface Let's ask the question this nature making a mistake So it's our job to innovate what the hell she's doing yeah, so it turns out remember yesterday And I told you you actually mentioned no, I think it was Rick mentioned The scorpions down in Costa Rica and I because of the UV light and remember I casually mentioned to you that hunters use UV lights to follow red blood cells Because porphans are UV to IR sensors hema globin's Absorbed sensor is 250 to 600 with a sharp cutoff.

52:23It doesn't absorb anything past 600 So when you understand that you got to go to yourself Why is hema globin absorb in 250 when 250 is really not getting in there remember the slide I always show Rick online About UV light and UVB light really stops at the epidermis the only one that gets a little bit lower is UVA But not that much So nitric oxide brings them up. It's still not enough. It turns out the reason why nature put deuterium in our blood Do you know how a deuterium arc lamp works? if you He up deuterium it makes arc lights. This is what Helmholtz used in his original experiments for the photoelectric effect Turns out deuterium when you squeeze it put any squeeze on it all it mits UVC light How do you like that wild it is what we do not want it well?

53:20I'm going to tell you the reason why because guess what Remember and I don't know what you were told from the Stanford guys Maybe you can enlighten us But when you have any heart surgery one of the big things that they're worried about Is when you especially will go bypass your blood goes through the machine You're much more likely to clot and get clots and have issues So a lot of times they'll put people on aspirin plavix or you know eloquist some of the other blood thinners What sunlight does it's a natural Antiquaglin because it increases the zeta potential. What's that that goes back to what Andrew asked me about early about like like charges from Pollock's book We have a like -like charge it repels platelets from adhering to the endothelium or to other red blood cells So guess what nature is telling us nature is telling us we have to create The extreme UVC light right here in the blood before we get the show started because what did I tell you before The tissues make their own from these wide band semiconductors.

54:19What does the blood do remember the blood? blood cells have no mighty kondria none We lose it fetal red blood cells do but Our adult form make none So what does that do it effectively increases the Charge capacitance we're back to Pollock's work. We're back to photosynthesis That's what charge separates water right at that level and then when you really begin to understand blood the way I do Blood is thick so tripeic. What does that mean to you? Heinz Ketchum comes out like really really slow It's got a viscosity when you add sunlight to it. It's less viscous. So it flows better Okay, when you add UVC light to it It becomes a magneto Hydrodynamic fluid say that again Magneto hydro dynamic fluid that sticks a tropic that can change Based on what light is around it So what is the purpose of blood when you have a quantum mechanical understanding of what semiconductors are capable of doing?

55:25Basically it creates the wireless system that connects the cathode ray of the sun to the anodes in you That's how information is transferred wirelessly. I think that's important enough That I'm gonna ask if you'd say it again But because not because I didn't hear you but because that For me sets off a like a giant exclamation mark There anything you can tease out in it to make it more Yeah, so more clear. Yeah, so I mean that I don't completely get it Yeah, I'm at you know I put pictures in the block I mean the biologist in me It you know thinks okay this thing in the environment impinges on neurons that then converted into electricity and to chemicals and then And they talked to other neurons etc The I think that the one of the biggies from yesterday is the idea that light isn't just triggering Like flicking the first domino But that every domino in the chain actually can and does use light Meaning that light is something made up in the body.

56:31They're very very different model in my mind And what I just heard jack say was that okay, so that links us with the sun in a very different way correct It also gives us Independence from the sun in very interesting ways correct, but then gives us Additional reliance on other things like it also speaks to in the spiritual work literature Referring to humans as light beings correct Absolutely, absolutely, but you're the other thing that you just said though I will I want you to go back to this and stop for a minute think about this The mammals we talked about yes, say the kt event are very different than the mammals today So realize thermodynamically what you just said The implications are big here.

57:16Do you understand now why I'm saying there's a cognitive de evolution going on Moving back because we're effectively doing the same thing now that we've got these unbelievable semiconductors inside If we block the Sun now we're really the T -rex of today You know where we're not like mammals that can pull it out. I mean take a look at Rick's beard the old He's pulled most of his Melon and out of that sucker and Thankfully he goes to Costa Rica and Hawaii and he's got beautiful alpha MSH That he can draw on and the craziest thing about Rick is he's so in tune. He's such a wild animal That he says I get off the plane jack and I notice the difference.

57:54He's not crazy But the reason I want you to hear this is what I said to you Yes, say in the melanin story about the Vidaligo remember I told you when I had my my band Ted talk and I started talking to all these people about this Yeah, my Ted talk was banned over 12 years ago What are you you're the original band science? I was banned. I was banned before Sheldrake what you have to wait I don't know if I want to tell the story. Sheldrake band. Well, yeah I have no ambitions of ever doing a Ted talk and I'll say that twice You know, I've been asked a few times. I have no ambitions of ever doing a Ted talk for because It constrains the the kind of tag on somebody I'm not I'm not being disparaging of any of the people that have given them But the only Ted talk I think anyone should absolutely see is the one Which is a parody of Ted talks called this is how to be a thought leader Where they break down how every step in the Ted talk is essentially like a stereotype of like pace the stage Like picture of the world for no reason You know like like it's it's a new it is hilarious anyway.

58:59I've seen it and I have to tell you You have to remember this a long time ago. It was 2011 So I did it with the intention of doing kind of what we're doing here today and yesterday and I was totally listen and I was done positively thrilled that to hear that you got banned for giving a Ted talk I mean some of the Ted talks are so dreadful in fact There's like I think a gallery of the worst ones and they're pretty amusing too But anyway, I keep interrupting you because I'm so tickled by the idea that you were that your your Ted talk was banned or that you were banned from giving one Which one was it?

59:35No, I gave it in total. It was awesome. I'm not kidding. I can't get a copy of it But guess what it was on it was on this topic The lesson Milano court and patling cold thermogenesis and how I found it and how I used it in patients Why in the world would they want to ban it because they realized the implications They realized that the people that were supporting the event were big pharma and three weeks after They had people from big pharma. Remember what I told you about the original injury with my knee and who gave me the information That information got back to corporate america Just so you know, I've been visited by the FBI.

1:00:17I've been visited by state medical boards after that talk Just so you know, wow Also been been I don't want to say I've been to other places that you can only imagine Who are very interested in in the work that I was doing because this was hitting on Um things that would be really important In different aspects of like like space and things like that So military was quite interesting. Yeah, I was gonna say I mean, I'm fortunate to do some like I don't publicize I mean it's some work with military and I find them to be incredibly open -minded that certain communities are they want to win Yeah, they're very open mind.

1:00:55Well do you remember the story that I told you offline? Yes, I about backer You think they were that open minded and remember the one thing I'm gonna get on your case because shantal told me I had to pound you on this Rick yesterday in the car where we're going to lunch Said I gave you the going somewhere book by Andrew marina your duty if you choose to accept it before I come on You better have read it. Oh, I'll read it. Yeah, because that block I think you you sent me a message that you reading it and loved it. This is we I keep confusing the books I keep it there's the monk who sold his Ferrari.

1:01:26I haven't read that Marino that one you don't need to marino because the marino book is the EMF book with the gallery of pictures on Yes, I am okay. I am in the process of reading before Rick thinks that I'm full fully shit when I tell him I bought that book yeah because he suggested it. I've been reading it And so I'm about a third of the way through that's a tree and you sent me a message using the love I don't know all of these but I do love it. I know you told me because it starts off You know, I mean there's something that happens when you read a narrative from another scientist and you're like okay Like like we're from the same thing.

1:01:58It's clear. He gets it. He was he was an insider and But think about what you just said and what's in that book. They're completely at odds with each other See my audience who's going to listen to this podcast I can tell you right now. They're going to come back and say at you know hour seven 12 uberman shits the bed. You know you need to realize that who are these I'll tell you Let me tell you about these people because that first day when I saw Jack Cruz all those years ago 2014 2014 I didn't understand a lot of what he was talking about But there were other people around who did followers who are like will explain it to you Like where the follower like we where the translators got it and there was a whole They were they started coming out on Twitter very so I was just confused between books and and authors Okay, they monkeys sold us for our different the marino book I own.

1:02:54I've been reading it that but they with the gallery of photos on the front It's a it's just gonna tell you when you finish it the point I want to make to you Your opinion of what you have on the military is going to change radically. Okay. That's all I'm gonna say okay um They are not our friend Oh, man, it comes to biology. They're not Okay, and just so you know Billy Tozan who used to be my congressman when I was a resident He basically cooked the FCC act This is the reason why I don't like to come to LA. I only come to LA if Rick says this is important Got it and my nurse tells me you better get your ass there Jack to talk to you Berman Well, I've enjoyed my work with the military, but I'll I'll keep an open mind as I read the book um the The point that you made earlier about the sun being a source okay totally on board that but that ultimately the opposite End of that electrical field is the mitochondria That to me is as a very important thing to highlight it might seem overly simplistic to you, but to me it seems um Very very important because I think that we all can kind of into the idea that sun is impacting the cells on our skin and our eyes Maybe even some of it's getting into our brain et cetera and that each cell is responsible for carrying out all these reactions and Creating energy, but it's a very different thing to think about it from the perspective of the sun at one end one elect One electrode right and you're mitochondria being the other electrode I think it that in its simplicity it also helps span the gap that I think most people like myself with conventional training don't Naturally default to all right, so do you want me to bridge a little bit of the gap because I wasn't gonna go this deep Let's do it.

1:04:43All right. Does that make sense? Yeah, like the idea that I'm like in charge by the sun It's like cool, but that's just a statement But the idea that my mitochondria getting charged cool, but that's just another statement But the idea that these are two two separate electrodes between which you can generate electrical fields now I'm like okay, I can for me that just has a An intuitive texture to it that makes the most sense Yeah, because it's just like a cell tower and a cell phone That's really what I'm saying, but what I need to do because it does go back to the story of water I gave it to you guys in the Twitter feed this morning But I wasn't gonna get into it here, but I'm gonna give you the two major connections three When you get them you research them, but then you'll say now I understand jacks magic so the most dominant Adam In the sun is hydrogen Do you know what the atomic emission spectra of hydrogen is?

1:05:39it's red It's red light the reason why red lights the most dominant part of sunlight is because hydrogen Makes up the number one dominant atom in the sun. So What's the connection directly from that connection to your mitochondria? What did we say yesterday? What makes water? Cytocrome sioxidase what are the frequencies of the red light chromophores and the cytochromes 626 87 16 8 60 guess what they are all in the infrared a guess what that isn't the domain Of the hydrogen emission spectra from the Sun. That's connection one Connection two happens to come from our friends Del Jusay and per part remember why I just talked to you about them in the water story You're gonna learn something about the Sun.

1:06:26That's very queer um where classical physics Uh cannot explain something in the hydrogen spectrum in the Sun called the lamb shift right that down I've heard of the lamb shift. So the lamb shift isn't explained, but you know who does explain it Quantum field theory or quantum electrodynamics which happens to be our friend Richard Feynman and Julian Swinger, okay? They won the Nobel Prize in 1965 Guess where Julian I should say Del Jusay and per part are talked about That water also accounts for the lamb shift. So what's the other connection to the mitochondria? It's actually in the water via the lamb shift because What do mitochondria do they take hydrogen protons and create a deuterium depletor water So those are the two major connections and what did I just tell you there that two of the three -legged stool is linked in that wireless connection That's the Marconi link that you need to make the The part the third leg of the stool has to do with The reductionist way of thinking you have to reverse engineer Where does magnetism come into the mitochondrial store because remember I said magneto hydrodynamic right of blood The FO head of the ATP ace which we know formed probably way before even Luca You know, that's the guy told you Nick Lane who you do need to get on your podcast He's the world expert and in mitochondria The FO head spins and it spins because protons move through it 9000 to 12000 per second.

1:08:06Okay every 3 .4 Turns you get an ATP. We think 9 to 12 protons creates, you know an ATP And very very quick fashion. There's papers written that I can send you That show that the ATP ace functionally is a quantum nano rotor engine that only works on red light So when you take apart everything you learned in your biology I'm going to tell you something that's going to stun you. This is how simple is The basis of what I told you yesterday Now around the other end of the story with the the mitochondrial side remember it's called black swan mitochondria Black swan was the event the mitochondria is the other part the mitochondria has VDR receptors on it.

1:08:57What's the VDR receptor? Vitamin D receptors you know what they are So you got to ask yourself Did nature make a mistake by putting a UV detector inside the mitochondrial membrane where electron chain transporias? Doesn't make sense on the surface right But does she make mistakes? Turns out what do you do when you go in the sun? You don't have to eat that much because the vitamin D that's made from your skin Circulates in your body Blocks electron chain transport. What does that do if you're thinking like Faraday? You stop the electron What has to make ATP? Red light does red light ever go away when sunlight's out?

1:09:34Never what else do I tell you before yesterday red light penetrates the body six to ten centimeters Yeah, I was gonna ask you so how deep does red light go well depends on the frequency But guess what we do know 62687 16 860 all penetrate So if I'm standing outside but stop for a minute. I'm not gonna let you go there Remember what I told you about with the light that we emit from the wide -based semiconductors goes from VUV up to what? IR So the chromophores in us some of the chromophores that you mentioned yesterday they make infrared light too And you know that that's true why because if you have your fish tank infrared candle and you poke it at you Like when Rick said at night jack I'm hot me and you have the same problem You use an infrared you'll see that you emit infrared So what else does a mitochondria do?

1:10:23It's also a car no heat engine What do you know about car no engines meaning? The hotter they run the more thermally efficient you know where they where do they work the best and this is now Folton steam engine stuff If you put them in a cold environment they work better So this cold is linking back to thermally it's why sleeping cold is better well But the real reason is what I told you yesterday is because wide -based semiconductors work better in cold I see and see why the ice -step works as well exactly But the thing is What am I trying to do here? I'm trying to go from the classical to the thermodynamic To the quantum mechanical see what I'm trying to do you guys said some really cool things that I probably wouldn't have said yesterday About space -time travel what I'm doing is I'm taking you not only space -time what we're talking about We're talking about Levels of complexity this way.

1:11:20So it's much like The examination I'm asking you to do about the periodic table. I want you to look across tables And roads and I want you to see The peculiarity of what cells are doing by what they're using. It's just remarkable that we stop At oxygen, but if you look at the history of the earth All the things that were in the atmosphere before are in here now So when you wrote in the book I actually have it starred That when the great oxygenation event happened that I'll write that but I'm just saying You said that sometimes something new starts yes, and you have to realize your mind has to Take what you know today to be present And say well, what was it like back then and how did life exist then And you have to ask yourself the question Some of the pieces in parts are those ideas have to still be in us because we're here is proof that it worked See that's the ultimate thing like I mean it works.

1:12:20It keeps it keeps happening Well if the system doesn't work we're gone. Yeah, I mean a very Now seemingly trivial but not trivial example is the those melanopsin Cells those are frog skin and rabid amiric opson from you know Homoliest it what's present in insects and we've got a little bit of insect like I In our in our eye and I think for most people they you know they see your softwa and then they see human and they go That has nothing to do with us and we've co -opted some of the exact same biology right and it does have something to do with us I think I like That you made that link yes, right?

1:12:58I like that you brought it up here again But the thing that I want to shoot Because we did it yesterday Remember that when you start dealing with chromosomes you have to realize that if you have no light controls Your experiments Everything you think is true. It's not true. It's never been tested correct that that that is that is almost Probably the biggest statement that I'm making about why I don't believe Anything in centralized medicine or health care. It's the reason why when you guys asked me the question that you asked Eddie Chang Why I gave you the answer I gave you but it's also the reason why centralized medicine focuses on RNA and DNA and not my Deconjurel DNA and here's the crazy thing Andrew Do you think it's easy to study a genome with 23 ,000 genes or one with 37 that only 13 make energy Do you see the stupidity that we are not focused in on the most important part like it's not the body plan or the semiconductor proteins That RNA and DNA make it's actually how we transform energy That's what the mitochondrial DNA does and when you understand that it's connected wirelessly to the Sun Understanding the things that you need to understand about the Sun to the mitochondria.

1:14:19That's not that difficult All the other stuff that we're talking about like how energy comes from the mitochondria How it's being transformed and how we're making even stronger light Inside us and that this ability is distinctly A specialization of mammals Because of melanin I mean everybody learns in third grade what makes mammals mammals they have hair all over their body Well people don't put two and two together hair is melanin And we just established from Rick's own biohack but he can lose his tan really fast and I told you that I found a lady who's black with Vitaligo 15 years ago that I was able to refix her skin in three or four months It doesn't take that damn long.

1:15:03Okay a question about Pelage color just since we're here as maybe we could take a minute There was a lot of enthusiasm a couple of years ago about paper showing that stress Creates high peroxide groups in the hair follicle which is what makes hair gray? I can't be the only thing that makes hair gray but Thought that was pretty interesting Given that we know well the other thing I would tell you that makes a gray because I want to give it to you So you got it the hair follicle loses the ability to make VUV light So when you lose VUV light what what's the stimulus there for the neuroplasticity of neuroactoderm which is the melanocyte To go out of the hair in See Replacing it back but when you understand this seeing people who are bald and gray kind of is a big tell for a quantum clinician You know and it tells you kind of what's going on Like we always you know the the linkage that we always have like a Little small Italian guys that are bald, you know, and they're muscular.

1:16:02They have high testosterone levels Testosterone makes your hair fall out But people don't know that UV light actually destroys or lowers testosterone But we have these stupid anti -aging doctors out there putting gel on people's skin I mean when you see the stupidity of what these people are doing Because it's clear they don't understand functionally How a cell is organized and how it really works and it's this atomic organization Inside and one of the things we haven't even touched on yet, but I do want to tell those to you You were gonna find out when you go back to Stanford Do you know that we still do not the we still do not know the true Anatomic structure of neuro melanin Hmm, which is the reason why now the condensed matter guys are very interested in it is neuro melanin is in every Every neuron No, I wouldn't say it's in every neuron.

1:16:56It's affected Where it is remember there's certain places you know in the brain the stuff that you talked about now you're the obvious one Niger, but it's also in the in the cardiac plexus, you know the autonomic nervous system How about the big one we never talked about we talked about this much the gut the enter and chrome fun cells As soon as you realize my paradigm you start going Jesus Christ now I understand everything about the gut Let's pull shit you hear from you know the paleo people and the autoimmune people you just go Let it go in one air and out the other well Let's talk about the gut because end of chroma fun cells So we were just talking about how There are brain there are neurons in the brain like the neurons of stature Niger that make tons of dopamine and they are they are literally black to the naked eye.

1:17:37That's how much Something in the RPE don't forget the RPE um and a dream on the doula Right dark tissue you don't need to any any fancy stains to reveal What they are you can see them without a microscope think about the diseases that you learned about now poutieggers Think about Addison's disease start think about them differently. Don't you because you're like yeah those people get You know melanin in their mucus membranes. So what does that do it tells you that you're pulling the melanin out So when you think about John Kennedy because he had Addison's disease he had bad back Was that tell you about backers things in semi -conduction you go wow And then you start realizing so this is the real reason my astronauts get osteoporosis in space Because they're facing a totally different Electromagnetic field and it knocks the two copper ions out and then the PNN semi -conductor no work See space osteoporosis is different than osteoporosis here except if you live in California, New York Because guess what the spectrum here closer to space it's closer to space than it is To say in El Salvador or New Orleans or Florida So we're moving the Florida Could be here or no So let's talk about the gut the endocromophane cells are are super interesting cells I mean I I think one of the bigger discoveries that you know Why'd my eyes in the last few years this is a Diego Borges Workout of Duke showing that you know your gut really is Has neurons that are sensing amino acids and fatty acids and sugar too and are sending signals to the brain So subconsciously you're craving more of those things basically your gut is sending signals to your brain telling you What's present and what's not present what you're gonna hear it you just go of course, right?

1:19:24You know it but what's the signal see I'd stop you right there. I think they think that it's the vape through the Vegas Yeah, it's through the Vegas, but that's not what I'm asking you What's the nature of this thing? I'm asking you come remember. I'm pulling a gossi arse to go on you come to my level So I said something to you outside yesterday Let's repeat it for the podcast because I don't know if we said it here What's the difference what it frits pop fine In his work that the two first two domains of life are Kia and and pro -carriers bacteria emit 5 ,000 times more light than you carry out So remember the movie screen and the projector story What does that tell you remember bacteria are functionally different than us they emit way more light So they're the projector you got it and the light that goes between Those bacteria and the inner chromosomes cells that's the light coming through so that process I I named it called quorum sensing So what's happening we need to know about the interaction there?

1:20:24So the microbiome the key to the microbiome is understanding the light that each bacteria emits We don't know that one thing we do know is that the construction Of the microbiomes important the interesting part of the story I was supposed to be invited back to Vermont to give another talk and next year the talk was gonna be on the gut This is what I was gonna talk about and the people that with the organizers in Vermont Are tied to the western A price foundation and I hit them pretty hard the first time because I said if Western A price was still alive He'd be a mighty conjurek. He wouldn't be a member of his own society Because he was a dentist and I used to be a dentist.

1:21:03I was an oral surgeon before I was a neurosurgeon And I pointed out to them that it's not the food that's the problem It's the fuel the fuel and the engines. I should say not the fuel but the engines the mighty conneries the big deal And I pointed out to them a study that had just came out This is now five six years ago. A guy named Jeff Leach who's down in Texas went to see them as I and he basically checked their poop all the time and one of the things that he did is He fed them their normal diet checked their poop then he fed him phanta tab Mars bars Three musketeers and guess what he found the microbiome didn't change Which is a complete slap in the face to what modern science says and the reason for that is you if you understand my perspective it wouldn't change because the light is the key to the story of the microbiome.

1:21:55It's not what you eat and The only way this perspective is going to change is when people realize what we talked about yesterday Is the key to this whole puzzle that it's always a light story start with light water magnetism work you away from there And you'll do way better in trying to figure out modern diseases and The same thing is true if you think about like things that we do now about fecal transplants You know one of the things that we do know probably the one indication that I think it's hardcore everywhere in the universe States is if somebody gets Seed difficile you get see difficile which is a claustridium Infection of the gut Pretty much every doctor you go to the United States in 2023 will say this is indicated if everything else fails Um, so you're trying to repopulate You you were smart to keep your appendix why because that's what the appendix effectively does It's an anoculum for the gut when the gut goes bad like when you have a bad night of the shits You know you repopulate it because you need to make the light remember a lack of light What does that mean?

1:23:03You're in poor conditions. Well, well, you need means you're the cells within you need to compensate No, let's go. I want to I want to make sure this lands Alexander Gourwitch No light that means those cells migrate Opens up further think about Barry Marshall Think about the implications think about colon cancer now Think about everything you know about the gut Cells migrate That's not good Think about how metastasis occur. Why does liver always get pounded What's the first thing you hit? Portal circulation you're into going liver UV light show. It's filled with heme. We didn't talk about him As a nitride based semiconductor because that's what hemoglobin is but you know catalyst Is a heme semiconductor Cytocrome sioxidase in the mitochondria every cytochrome is heme based Want to hear something crazy?

1:24:06You know where heme is made in the human body first out the mitochondrial matrix So if your mitochondria is bad can you replace your heme semiconductors? That was part of your hack with the methylene blue so You know the disease called met hemoglobinemia That is a disorder of hemoglobin generally when too much carbon monoxide Binds the hemoglobin irreversibly and can't deliver oxygen You know what the treatment for that is in centralized medicine methylene blue That's what the that's what the script is most commonly used correct That's the number one common use from from methylene blue Injectible methylene blue yes ivy and you give it and what happens generally somebody who's got met hemoglobinemia They have blue lips, you know blue mucus membranes And it's from carbon monoxide poisoning they come into the ER and they're pink the whole body is pink Because the hemoglobin's got that color because it's holding on To the carbon monoxide you give the methylene blue and it dislodges the the carbon monoxide and it's allows oxygen to bind but the other thing it does it also delivers nitric oxide to what Cytocrome sea oxidase wherever that mitochondria is that vasodilates remember now we're back to letting that magneto hydrodynamic fluid Flow better is is Cytocrome sea always in the mitochondria No, it can be in other places, but the dominant place in humans that it is is Cytocrome sea oxidase But I don't want you to think like the number one heme protein obviously in blood Is catalyst but you mentioned you know in gray hair before about peroxides What's the quencher what is the the free radical quencher of hydrodynamic Catalyst every kid in third grade knows that why because you can take Liver and put it in baking soda and make a bomb when And Whenever we would stain brains for mitochondria like we would do an experiment like expose In the animal to a particular experience then you sacrifice the animal Take the brain tissue out slice it up soak it inside a chromoxidase And you'd and the final step in the reaction was to add hydrogen peroxide And then you take the brain tissue out and you'd see all these dark regions those dark regions of the regions that were active and presumably involved in the Behavior or whatever it was.

1:26:38It's an older technique now, right? It's it's older but guess what it still works Yeah, it's still work, but it actually for you now you're probably going Maybe I want to start doing this a little bit more to find out really what's going on at neuron levels There was a story. I don't know if it's true, but there was a story that a patient came to you wanting to do a brain wanting you to do a brain surgery that other Surgeons refuse to do and you said you would only do it if the person would sign a waiver so that you could soak the brain in hydrogen peroxide and shoot red light on it Yeah, I do that almost all the time Okay, the fact the lady the story of the lady I just told you that I did that surgery on That had the subgirl from the blood thinners and I I put the bone flat back on I gave her medications to shrink the vein back but once it shrank shrank back I put hydrogen peroxide 50 % cut in the water the reason why Hydro peroxide has another effect if you have to know a little bit about brain anatomy with this The brain is kind of asked backwards.

1:27:43It's the only organ where the most sensitive part all the semiconductors on the surface All the shit that's deep in the brain most of it really doesn't matter It's like white matter tracks. It's just the fiber optic cables that come down So that tells you The blood vessels also are backwards like if you think about a kidney it comes into the pull of the kidney and then Radiate out the brain the blood vessels come in from outside in So the chronic arteries break up to all the branches they go in the subracadoints of basin they dive in So this unusual phenomenon Tells you that the surface of the brain is very very different.

1:28:20So When I'm dealing with this type of problem I realize if I put hydrogen peroxide on the surface of the brain which seems crazy But it relibrates oxygen at that level when the brain is starving for oxygen Because what am I trying to do? I'm trying to improve my decondrial function The side effect of doing that if you put the bone flap back on You can create air in the head and the patient will wake up and may have headaches for two or three days But the one thing that they won't have is a stroke So not to throw anybody under the bus, but somebody else in this hospital where this went down had the exact same case going on at the same time They didn't do that their patient got a stroke mind in So Where I learned that trick.

1:29:07Yeah, I learned that trick from my version eddy chang That was David Klein who actually is a peripheral nerve expert But he taught me goes this is what we used to do You know back in the day and it's kind of like, you know those things Rick you would like That sometimes the old school stuff don't throw it away. You need a reason Dr. Klein used to make us He come in the OR shantel can tell you because she's the girl that was in there doing this He turned the lights out turn everything off goes. Okay. We just lost power. I have a hurricane. How are you gonna open the head? So I tell shantel go get me a giggly saw a giggly saw is the saw that used to cut legs off in the Civil War So we'd get a twist drill you have to learn how to twist drill an opening Take the craniot and we would have to do a craniotomy After your first year a residency at LSU if you couldn't open the head with a giggly saw True and not true shantel Amazing, yeah, but guess what this is what on the difference is Andrew You can ask any of this offline.

1:30:11I don't believe Modern neurosurgery training programs is do those things Probably not I wouldn't know though. I'll have to ask could all surgery happen under red light All surgery should happen and I'll give you another one because you Yeah, well, that's interesting idea. Oh, yeah, it should but I'll tell you the other thing I do you know when I open the door when I use my surgery wait wait wait let me ask if you were doing a surgery under red light Are there things you need to see that you wouldn't be able to understand because it was red light? Yes So other glasses you the surgeon could wear yeah, that would allow you to see what you need to see Yeah, we have patient gets the red light my eyes are adapted to red light so I could do it But the thing that I would like I would like to pose this and again, this is not a question for you to answer This is a rhetorical question.

1:30:59I'd like you to sit down to after I ask you this question And pose it to every neurosurgeon you know because this is my this was my conundrum When you get My mindset and you have the knowledge that melanopsin is the single biggest ops in everywhere in the brain and in blood vessels You know how we do brain surgery, right? Under operating microscope that has what xenon lights you ever check the spectrum of a xenon bowl Fucking horrible so it's down in that what is it for so guess what I'm saying to you the way in which we do the surgery Is a huge fucking problem and the problem is it's doing it's doing damage just by having the light on the on the brain Absolutely because you know what it's doing.

1:31:41It's destroying melanin so When you come to my hospital and the nurses in the ICU or the recovery room So yeah, Dr. Cruz is a little bit different. He wants all of his patients no matter what surgery has to recover outside in the sun You now know the reason why if I use the microscope on him or headlight that has a bad spectrum I know that I just hurt my patients So this raises an important question So in the in the eye the pigmented epithelium supplies pigment for the photo receptors If you if like a detached retina someone gets a you they it's not connected to the PE pigmented epithelium And that's why they encourage people to keep their eyes closed for a bit after the surgery, right?

1:32:24You know because it needs to reattach In the brain the neuro melanin can be manufactured by individual cells But my question and I think I already know the answer but I'm going to ask anyway the Idea there is that you can still regenerate the neuro melanin or once it's it when xenon light hits it It's gone forever. No, I I believe some of the work that we're seeing like in the pancreas like with data cells even people have type 1 diabetics If you radiate it with the right light You can regenerate so I'm going to tell you a really cool story I told chontella was going to tell you this and this is the perfect segue So there's a researcher named Kossik male and female both married There's a disease related to you've heard of this disease called the Gilbert's disease It's not a big deal.

1:33:12It's it's a defect in an enzyme Where your billy Rubin in your blood when they check it that's the stuff that makes you jaundice when you're baby Runs a little bit higher than normal and other people. It's not a big deal clinically not significant But the worst condition of that is called Kriegler Nijer syndrome, which is really bad That usually kills you They have shown Kossik has shown that if you use light frequencies alone in people with that you can completely bypass the genetic defect Now that's the only and first disease. I know that light Can fix an RNA DNA problem So this is what I'm going to tell you my belief right now in 2023 There's a lot more diseases out there like that than we know but the problem is we're not getting to it because This perspective that I'm sharing with you Is not the dominant paradigm the dominant paradigm is genentic and amgen and Pfizer and Munk Light can sunlight Get through the skull and I know the obvious answer is yeah to most people is going to be no but that's obviously yes I mean hamlin and kuru have already proved it.

1:34:23It's in their books long wavelength. I've proved it. So what what I can I tell you Let's stop for a minute. It's any anesthesiologist will prove it because Polsox uses red light to check hemoglobin, but not only that we have a strain gauge that we put in to measure ICP That also uses infrared light. So anybody who believes that their idiots Because the you know reptiles have pits to allow sunlight directly to the pineal correct It literally holds it allowed it like right birds that call that the third eye third relatively third Finns skull right birds wrote so humans obviously heron skull skull is pretty thick in a human relatively speaking um Your higher your vitamin D levels thick of the skulls So light of let's say um bone does not stop red light transmission just so you know that goes right through Doesn't matter how thick the bone is either we know that the bone at the temporal margin is really thin as well Thinness bone is actually right here and also Rick talked about it.

1:35:25Yes, I'm gonna use the V light up as knows the Esmoe plate which is right underneath the optociasm and the pituitary right there But the real thin one if you want us the thinnest bone is like if you Realized what it's like here. This is the reason why Andrew when people put that damn cell phone up to the side of their head I don't think they realize what they're doing and then you know with Rick being my friend And being such a legend in the music business I want him to know that melonins in the cochlea And this big deal and I never want him to put a cell phone up to the side of the phone to my head I also don't use the the earbuds um Remember that technology a few years back those human charger.

1:36:03They were like ear plugs with with light What are your thoughts on on those? I to be honest. It's all gonna depend on the spectrum The thing is if it's infrared I'm fine with it, but Andrew it was white light. It was what yeah, then I'm out I'd what I would do with the light I would check it with my spectroscope and I would give you an informed answer Based on all the things that we've talked about um I don't know I have to know the spectrum and then I can tell you what I would be worried about um But I would tell you I am a you -tran of using light to do things, but you have to use the light correctly In other words When I say correctly if you fully understand all the things That we have talked about I've told you that there's an atomic specificity for atoms and the reason that specificity is there is because The light we use predominantly visible spectrum Changes inside and we do different things with all those different spectrums of light.

1:36:59That's what chromophos are all about You know, not that I want to get into an argument with you about uh Richard Axel and the smell thing and turn and all that I'm in the turn camp and I know you're probably not but I think after this you're gonna start to look at it and go This vibration of mothing makes a lot of sense When you understand the quantum mechanisms and the guy that I think is gonna get you over the hump With that isn't gonna be drag cruise. It's actually gonna be Jim Elk lily when Jim Elk lily sits you down and explains to you Exactly that the studies for electron tunneling and proton tunneling Have been in the physics literature Since the 60s and you're gonna sit there and go why in the hell Doesn't anybody in biology know this and it turns out there's some but these guys are so small and they can't get funding I mean Jim is the Jim he works for the biologist named John joy McFadden He's written a book if you haven't read the book.

1:37:53It's life at the edge spectacular Um, and in that book he lays out like how European robins use magnetoreception just so you know that that paper was written by Two scientists in 1976 called the Wiltschka's Everybody thought they were batshit crazy. Just like people thought Barry Marsher was crazy till he had a drink his own helical back to to prove He was right There there are a few reports even published in science about human magnetoreception Cryptochrome better better than chance and and also the presence of um We know then the fly there's magnetoreception in the eye I think ours if you were gonna ask me This is from my years of being a neurosurgeon and seeing some unusual things I think our cryptochromes are buried in our ethmoid plate When I do pituitary surgery pituitary surgery is changed In my career like when me and Sean fell started doing it 30 35 years ago We still use cocaine.

1:38:51We went you know straight transfer noidal. I still like doing it that way um Now people use endoscopic techniques. So what does the endoscope do it narrows your vision when you're using The way we used to do it, which was floral and and magnification You actually could see and there's pits in the wall Of the yet when we played and also the The pituitary the sweet void Bone that comes up there that in humans. There's some unusual stuff going on there and I've always believed That magnetoreception from what I've learned quantum mechanically I think it has to be relatively close to the scn. I don't think it can be too far away Because I think There's a tunneling effect.

1:39:39Where's that in in English terms above a basically above the roof of the mouth Yeah, well you that states the roof of the nose But if you put your finger in your nose like will you put your V light? Yeah, you're aiming right at it I see and People don't realize you know the Egyptians took the brains out of the mummies this way Your brain is only about that far away from your naries the way we do it now is we make an incision in the front part of the mouth Push your upper lip up and go through your naries through your mouth. Wow We did the rest of the engines are amazing but the better way you the old way was through the nose Well, it wasn't the I wouldn't say the old way both ways were old You can do endon nasal or you can do through the mouth I like doing through the mouth because I told you I'm an oral surgeon So I'm pretty familiar about moving the bones of the face around really easy and when I do a pituitary I can do it very fast like 45 minutes.

1:40:29I'm done Uh, and I believe the the issue with pituitary surgery because we have to use fluorone Or you can use navigation now You want to limit the amount of x -rays you're using when you're doing this because you know with the pituitary Squizzily sensitive to radiation You know we've learned that from kids with you know creating pan hypopid Kids which means their pituitary shot This the reason why Radiation is I'm a big believer that one of the big mistakes we're making in neurosurgery now that we need to cut All use the radiation in and around the brain. I don't care if it's malinated or not because I think the effects are huge And I'm telling you what I just told you about when we open the head up and we're putting a microscope Or we're putting our headlight on that and we now know that melanopsins everywhere The problem is it's you know how like lawyers say Ignorance of the law doesn't matter.

1:41:22You're still guilty. I kind of feel the same way about us You know, and it's kind of like if you see damages being done. It just makes it crazy. It's like you said Yes, like when you know better you You're changed see the world through different eyes And this is one of the things You know that I can't to be honest with the Andrew I can't have this discussion with neurosurgeons I can't because They'll think your batch at crazy because they don't fundamentally know what you and I talked about yesterday for six hours And that's a shame and see I know that's something that you can help me with because you know that it's night hyperbolic Jack saying that melanopsis everywhere in the brain.

1:42:02It's freaking everywhere. It's even in the blood vessels and you know Rick Not being a scientist, but having a problem that really was melanopsin based in his aortic valve and his aorta That's a big freaking deal You know, and the thing is when you think about the things that I have to deal with the major flow to the brain carotids and vertebrals Um, and you think about all the different things we have like I can't tell you almost every patient now Above 50 -50 five years old that walks into a neurosurgery clinic. They're almost always on Plavix aspirin or elicus and why is that because they're never in the sun because the dermatologist and ophthalmologist Been really successful of keeping people out of the sun and they also look like Casper to ghosts when they come in They have no melon and anywhere in their body.

1:42:49Well there you and I have been aligned because even though I've you know Made some errors clearly, you know, tell them people contacts are okay, which by the way folks they're not Because I wasn't aware of this oxygenation the corn And that's that's the reason that's the reason I didn't pound you on them. It's also the reason I don't pound neurosurgeon about the slightest show. I hope Through this podcast that people even if you don't believe me examine what I'm saying You know, it's a mark of an educated mind take something you don't believe Look at it for yourself on the side. Yeah, and it's the reason that I don't get on Wimhouse case about cold Because he's completely wrong about the physiology But the story still fits you know, I'm saying it's okay to embrace cold because it increases VUV light You know, and that's the reason why it works if people learn why it works What's a great guy?

1:43:38It doesn't matter. Yeah, he got this he got the stimulus right for sure And I think that yeah, I've encouraged people to get you know as you know morning sunlight avoid and evening sunlight Avoid Bright artificial lights at night. I'm I'm starting to become even more concerned about artificial light at night Unless it's red light. I do have a question about no you need to be concerned about red light at night too Okay, it actually affects. Yeah, I'd like to know about that because I've adopted the rig you know what happened was I went to visit Peter it's here. Yeah stayed in his little Studio adjacent to his house and He said by the way Rick was just here and all the lights in there and now red lights and I had the best sleep of my life And it was a great couple of days But I know that because I stole the red lights when I left Because he'd no one else over there was gonna Appreciate it, but so and I've been traveling with them.

1:44:31Yeah, right and And so when I check into a hotel, I bring these these red light bulbs and screw them This isn't a panel. This is just I know I got the same thing in my hotel as well And it's really transformed my evenings and my sleep and in an important way But I'm gonna tell you it's the theory of relativity light my friend I don't want you to feel comfortable But you're the reason why it's helped you is because you subtracted out the horrible For the better, but red still has a problem. Why red light's not present after sunset What would you like it? What would you want to see purple light?

1:45:03Well, that's the interesting thing I don't I don't have good data to back up what I told you and Rick yesterday Offline, but I tell people all the time about John Aught's book in that that um Restaurant that's no longer in Chicago that for 25 years Use UVA light and nobody ever missed a day meaning you've been black light Yeah, wouldn't UVA We're going black lights, right your house. I like it. I like it better actually What we use me and Sean tell you's fire we use candles. Yeah, and we'll use a combination of infrared a and UVA light like I have pictures that you can see on my Instagram of my house and it looks like a pink Floyd show Well, there are a couple of papers.

1:45:49I particularly like that are this guy his name escapes from you right now But from University of Colorado two papers were basically he took Undergraduates um camping for two days were basically they were gonna rise with the sun and go to go to sleep with sun And they were able to um to use campfire at night and then they took the They looked at the action spectra of the light and it turns out that even a really blazing campfire Is pretty photon sparse like it's not that bright when you in terms of um, do you know what the or the The photon sensibility of your rightness The photo with five photons.

1:46:28Yeah, we're even less in pitch black. Yeah, I'm just telling you so yeah You can see one photon flicker which is amazing right in a completely dark environment If I just flashed one photon you'd say I saw that correct one photon That's like I mean if you like to internalize that that's like the equivalent of being able to see like a speck of dust from a mile away It's in in many ways. Yeah, I'm gonna pull something up That's how sensitive I have a picture That shows all the different modern lights, but the bottom one is Candle light and fire and believe or not. It's I think it's 3 % melatonin disruption So this is what I will the take home.

1:47:06I want you to get The people that you're talking to on the podcast your audience they're predominantly mostly healthy the people I'm dealing with are the people coming in that are train wrecks So they can have no tolerance It's the same thing I think about the people on the Titanic The jacks on the boat, you know, they could stay in the water cold water with whatever the girl's name was um For quite some time dealing with the cold before they died My patients don't have that talent. So for example somebody comes to see me with ALS PD Alzheimer's a brain tumor I want zero tolerance Why because their melon and renovation project is shot I need to get them going like if Rick walked in even with his history I'm not worried because Rick He's already embraced this for over 10 years, you know jackdorcy the same way my good friends Now not all my friends do it some of my family didn't even do it um But when it comes to my patients I actually asked I said you tell me are you willing to do this or not If they tell me no then I don't I don't give them The whole shebang like I'm giving you And I think that that's how medicine should be practiced.

1:48:28I think To me that's what concierge medicine is all about is tell the patients give them informed consent You know it goes to you know what we just went through with COVID for two years Everything should be informed consent the doctor should be informed the patient should be informed and we make that choice The the thing is I really believe that when you know better you do better when you know the intricacies about light You know the intricacies about my de -condria I can sit down even with a patient Who's not scientifically based? I don't try to do all the science stuff except for you guys But when I sit down in a patient in the office you mean shantel see me do it I use really common sense stuff like the sunglasses I use the orange tree with the tarp over it and then they like yeah, but Well, I love this and I will I promise I will forever credit you When you know better you do better because you know a big part of my podcast and has been to you know Give people some mechanism and you know a lot of people are saying well what I just want the pdf for you know And we have to deal right you know and and I get it But I do believe what you just said I've just never thought about it that way So thank you, which is that way it's the difference between remember you're a Research scientist nomin clinician and the thing that I want to do I want to teach you the clinical stuff like I really wish That you live close to me so that you could see what we do in the clinic you would be Holy shit.

1:49:54This is cool and it starts before the patient comes in. It's absolutely and fact it starts before I operate on Sometimes like you know the band Ted talk I'll tell you I'll tell you I want to see this talk Well, I'm gonna tell you if you release this talk Two things that happened that made it controversial the first thing is I talked about a guy and you know He cleared me. He's not dead. He's not alive anymore But um he was a banjo player and Rick would love the story. He's a musician in Nashville And he said doc my quality life is terrible on men and wheelchair I can't walk he had horrible spinal stenosis And spinal stenosis for those who don't know it's pinching off of all your nerves and you're lower back So he needed like a five level operation to deal with it That means a decompression take the bone out the ligaments Then I have to put them back together with screws and rods not a fun operation and an 80 year old guy This is a surgery that in 99 out of 100 patients jack crews would not do But this guy said to me I only have two or three years left to live and I know that and music is my Driving passion and I talk to his family and this guy has been playing the banjo for That's what he's known for he says if you can give me that he goes.

1:51:06I'm willing to go through anything I said I said okay, so I'll tell you what I'm willing to do this But you have to do something for me. So I put them on my cold thermogenesis protocol six weeks before I also had them using infrared light six weeks before Okay, I take him to surgery do the operation Hardly any blood loss the guy did great and you know at us eddy Chang five level fusion It's shocking. I don't even think I lost 50 CCs of blood um The guy gets out we put them on the floor He's he's too old the anesthesiologist won't let me put him outside So I putting on a freezing cooling blanket and I said to him Lonnie you're gonna shiver He shivered for two or three days he walked out of the hospital after a five level of union 80 years old Not in a wheelchair He lived for I think two and a half more years Played his banjo when back on stage did whatever he wanted he had no problem The other thing I did that was unusual.

1:52:09I used to have Infer I should say UVA lights I cleared it with him. I said once your duras exposed I would like to put UVA light on your dura because I think it'll reduce um You're swelling and I think it'll lead to quicker recovery will you allow me to do that? And he signed the consent he used the infrared light post -op He hardly was on any pain medication you ask Eddie what I just told you You talk to any neurosurgeon you say a five level fusion with screws This guy would be on whopping doses of pain medicine Turns out this is one of the huge benefits remember what I told you about palms. Yes.

1:52:51It has an endorphin right? It endorphin is so we're tuning the system to the natural opiate it can ask you what are the Six domains of palm see we've got an endorphin in there Yeah, there's you also have the big one that we haven't talked about but it's huge for your work in mind is acth That's where the cortisol story starts right so if um so so impromacy you've got acth in dorfin beta -lipotropin I think's in there. Okay. I don't know what that does but um It's it sounds like it's a growth thing. Yeah, yeah, I can't remember the other ones. Okay. I'll look them up But I mean this is super interesting It's an unbelievable camera.

1:53:33I mean, there's an unbelievable protein right because what we're really talking about here is a multiplex It's like a it's like a little natural multivide. It's like it's like a bento box of like a really great biological Like it's the supplement. I want you to get behind right you know, and it's the sunlight supplement Uh, that's huge Here, this is the other one This is the lady that I oh my goodness So what jack showing me is a picture of a woman black woman with severe vitiligo on her face I want to look at her hair Look at the difference in the hair. You see that she went from gray hair to darker hair And then after the treatment is um pigmented in all the regions where Previously she had these very white almost outbino like So don't you think Michael Jackson may have wanted to be a patient of jackfruit?

1:54:23Yeah, I mean and aesthetically it's you know, essentially it Untraceable that that um she had vitil you said it's a female patient. Yeah, I could he can't tell from her Um, yeah, because she didn't like the gray hair and then she noticed after the treatment Where we used a combination of lights on her. Let me ask you something. This is um how about this one I this one I'm just gonna show you just a shot That's me Passing red light a new vein So directly delivering it to the system because you know there's something else that you probably have heard of is UV blutter radiation Well, we are starting to develop Fiber off the cables like the Mueller cells.

1:55:04Yeah directly into your veins. Tell me tell me about grounding Oh, it's huge. I mean grounding is grounding is goes to the point that We were making a while back Uh with Andrew That when you want to have a perfect electrical conductor. Let's talk about you like your coffee maker Coffee makers are more thermodynamically efficient when they're grounded It turns out you are too Okay, so the better the way the sun works. It's a cathode ray. The planet is an anode anytime a cathode ray hits an anode It creates free electrons So we are the only primate the silly talking monkey that has sweat plans on our feet in our hand So the reason why I told Andrew the old way I used to deal with new people is make like this finks all four on the ground Look to the east That wasn't hyperbole there's actually a reason for that when you're grounded it we also know that you absorb more Photoball modulation infrared a and UV light from the sun So the more connected you are the more thermally efficient you are That's the main reason to do grounding the best way to ground You already know this because I know you do it every morning you walk in the beach with your feet Walk wet Absolute best way to ground Um, there's no better way even wet sand works you don't have to go all the way in the water But as long as you're on wet sand because what you're doing you're effectively transferring free electrons from the ground into The sweat glands of your feet and bringing them up and if you think about what I just told Andrew before we went to the pisser sodium chloride sodium chloride is what a huge band gap so the effect of this is unbelievable And it's the reverse effect of what you see from leptin if you understand a leptin prescription basically You eat less and have to uh, should say you eat less and you don't have to exercise as much because what happens on the intermotic Condra membrane when you're in the sun The vdr receptor stops electron chain ATP a spins you still make ATP.

1:57:09So remember where do electrons come from they come from the food eat So you don't need the food because you have the electrons coming in correct because vdr is blocking it So it turns out with grounding if you have more free electrons remember I told you that that life is The way people like to describe it. I think Albert St. George. He said this That basically what life is all about is exciting electron letting it fall to the ground state and the tissues capture the photon That's exactly what grounding allows you to do because you remember you cannot capture light because of our friend Albert Einstein The photoelectric effect says Photons can only excite electrons so you need electrons as the base to get the light in So grounding gives you more electrons like when you walk on the beach every morning You're hopefully replacing the electrons that you lost from the first 50 or 60 years your life That caused the melanops and damage in you know your heart and you know I've told you this I think it's completely reversible irrespective of the surgery or not You know you're not going to go back to the base right you were when you crawled out of your mother the first time But do I believe that Rick Rubin can live a pretty damn Good life longevity wise irrespective of all the other stuff that people have told you If you're mindful of the light it the light to me is the single most important thing in longevity What are the other things besides grounding that can upset the Way that the the human machine works as you as as powered by your understanding I would say anything that doesn't allow you to connect properly to the source code So in your vernacular, I looked the sources the Sun The other source there is a secondary source, which is the magnetic field of the earth So the magnetic field the earth is important so for the human resonance that goes bet again.

1:59:04We're back now To water hydrogen bonding the 7 .83 Hertz of the human resonance which was found in 1951 correlates with the EEG alpha wave So we know clearly that you know sleep cycles and the alpha wave are totally tied That's the heartbeat of the earth and the heartbeat of the earth is found in our hydrogen bonding network That means it sets up a resonance That occurs that That's part of the answer that we didn't talk about yesterday when Andrew brought up the paper with the slices of the brain and how These waves seem to propagate It's actually through the hydrogen bonding network of water and most of what we are in cells is water I mean, I told you when we're born we're 80 % water you and I at 60 years old We're probably 55 % water the more water you have the better you are because What gives you the quantum coherent effect in your body that we're talking about that connection you're asking me out?

2:00:02The more coherent the tissues aren't you the bigger your connection is in other words you don't need as much Sun And shantou wanted me to tell you this yesterday and I forgot to so I'm glad you brought this out Children don't need as much Sun as me and Rick the older we get The more we need so I classically teach this through hetero plasma rate as the hetero plasma rate goes up Learn this from from Doug Wallace What is aging what is like a Aubrey degree and p to add you're really missing They don't understand mitochondria well What the what the issue is is every decade we go up the efficiency the thermodynamic efficiency of mitochondria drops The name for that is called the hetero plasma rate Wallace has found through his 50 years in the field that hetero plasma rate goes up about 10 % per decade But that is in a classic healthy state Can you be let's use bond Scott because he's dead we can't get in trouble Bond Scott likely had a hetero plasma rate of an 80 year old when he died And that's the point like when people ask me questions about explain childhood cancer We now know because of our epigenetic toolbox that it's controlled by light Well, you can be born from an egg that has a high hetero plasma rate You're going to wind up with childhood retinoblastoma or type 1 diabetes like it's not hard for a mitochondria to explain this It's hard for some of your clients or You're ming people to accept it, but it's not hard for me because Wallace has clearly showed this It's there's no argument in fact he's showing slides that show you the higher the hetero plasma rate the disease shows up If you lower the hetero plasma rate the disease goes completely away And it's irrespective of the disease So when you realize that you start to go wait a minute that means all the elictic disease aren't energy game So the reason why shantou wanted me to tell you this because I don't usually talk about this stuff, you know The way we're talking about it like at a very foundational level and building it up so you can see how The quantum mechanical level meets longevity You guys you know hear podcasts of our podcasts about how guys think moving and picking up heavy things is the way to go That helps it helps mighty conjure, but guess what if you're doing it in a blue legit gym It's it's kind of like um, I don't want to use that analogy.

2:02:30That's probably bad. Let's put it this way The dildo of unintended consequences often comes without lub How's that? So they had their idea in Venice Beach when they were pumping iron Absolutely correct you want to do your exercises outside in the sun I The lot of people who try to characterize me as a A knot and exercise guy that's not what I'm saying The thing that I like to affront them with and if the thing is I know adia really likes Neil barzai But he seems not to want to address the big elephant in the room That all these old Jewish guys in New York that are 110 plus Don't look like Michelangelo's David In fact nobody who lives long looks like that.

2:03:19In fact most of the guys that do look like that Die of heart disease somewhere between 50 and 70 years old now. That's a great generalization. I just gave you But I gave you the idea in the first six hours the reason for that Is we don't bury our mitochondrial capacity in our muscle skeletal system We do more on bone than we do with muscle So when you think about it when you hypertrophy muscle You're actually stealing from here and here so the idea that really big guys have less brain powers maybe I actually think there's something to it, but let me let me flip this around I'm going to ask you this question because I've said this in a couple of podcasts to people who I was sparring with you know, and I did it on purpose to make them realize this You know people will Talk about your body type and this and that and say well because they look like this um You probably shouldn't follow their advice How would it sound if I came on your podcast and said you're such a dumbass that you don't know about wide -bed semiconductor why would I listen to anything that you have to say You see the logic there I don't do that now do I believe that most people are dumbasses because they don't know that yeah Because if I figured it out you should be able to figure out I think most people just haven't been exposed to the concept right you know I think you know I share no, I know you I can tell you are I mean it I also Um, I was telling Rick this yesterday.

2:04:45I mean I also know that you know in the field of neurosurgeon I know enough neurosurgeons and enough physicians from other specialties in medicine to know that you know neurosurgery is the It's the us It's the space program of medicine right? It's the hardest training or among the hardest training it is the hardest and the and the the hazing process that occurs there is like none other And it's I like to think there's always a human element, but I like to think that it's tacked to a respect for What's at stake as opposed to the individuals well in other words what I'm saying is when people like you Like if you school me a bit like I'm I don't look at that as you schooling me because somehow you think I'm gonna take that to my psychologist or something And you're gonna get a cut because I'm not gonna but the uh too far too many other issues to deal with The the the reason I think you do it is because you care so very much About knowledge and the truth Yeah, I see so I see it and service to If you'll people not in the room here and not just the audience so I get that and I and I dare I say I think we share that right um different styles, but you know I I think you care very deeply about the fact that Most people including people in not just in central as medicine, but scientists are and the general and as a consequence the general public Are missing the reservoir of of incredible resource that's like all around them all the time And they're drinking from the sewer water as opposed to the the clean spring Um and so I get it and so um, you know, that's why I invite it as opposed to um hide from it um There are a couple of things that I I want to ask you about um as it relates to cold um and Before I do that though, maybe a segue would be you know a number of different products exists now for cooling the bed at night um and I But one issue that I have even though Some of these I use um is that they almost all rely on having an app and a and a wireless connection Which is why I wouldn't use them which is which which is a is an issue right so why doesn't somebody manufacture just a cold pad Well, it doesn't require an app or a Wi -Fi connection.

2:07:06We actually have somebody I'm always on clubhouse The other part of my life besides being a decentralized physician I'm a decentralized Bitcoiner, you know Jack Dorst, he's a good friend of mine So I he's tasked me with going into clubhouse and teaching people about Bitcoin There's a guy in there who's a light engineer his name's Michael Shapiro. He gets shit from everybody because he's a really aggravating guy But he is working on this stuff. He's big into Infrared light lights. He's big into UVA lights In fact, he he's told me that he wants to build a bed That's programmable for like somebody like me because one of the things I need in my clinic That I can't seem to find anybody to build for me.

2:07:49I want a programmable UVA UVB and infrared a bed That I can use for really complex brain injuries Because that's the people I take care of. That's not something that I think a regular biohacker would want Because you need to really know what you're doing But Shapiro has been working on this I would tell you come and come and join clubhouse I'll get them in we can talk about them because I'd like to hook you to up Because maybe you and him could come up with something So that you could you know sell it through your podcast or your website Because I'm a big believer if you come up with something new That's going to help people because I agree with you like the or ring all that so anything that's tied to an app I'm out you know a lot of the other guys out there, you know get behind stuff like that I don't yeah, I've gotten behind some of the cooling devices, but I've I've asked them You know, is there any way to do this where I don't have to have a like what like a little mini Wi -Fi tower next to the bed You know not Wi -Fi tower, but you know unit But you're right.

2:08:53That's what it is Yeah, and also when you travel you want to be able to roll something up and plug it in I think there's tremendous opportunity there. Oh, I agree with you And I do I do think that people need to know That cool at night like the whole thing centralized sleep doctors know this that The interesting way sleep works that the signal the metabolic signal that gets us into sleep is a denizen What people don't realize that a denizen is the waste product of ATP So it goes ATP ADP AMP adenazine Here's the interesting thing new studies out. This is specifically for Rick high -intensity photo bomb modulation red light Improves the denizen want to hear something else Rick When somebody has if you pull out a BLS or acles book, you know, what's one of the things on our crash card in the algorithms given a denizen So anybody who gets that rhythm, you know, by definition what I tell people that person has had a previous circadian mismatch so The reason I'm telling you this I don't have to tell you but high -intensity Photo -bomodulation light for someone with a brand new valve and a brand new aorta is probably something you want to pay attention to But I know that you already do a good job with the sun and I'm much bigger fan of the sun than an artificial light I also use the So what's the the relationship between it so adenazine I think of as the molecule that makes us sleepy it so But signals but remember what happens then that starts the process after melanopsin effects so think about sunset It's a decrescendo effect meaning that literally the sun is on the Calorie I should say the color temperature the kelvins are like 1200 Kelvin that all the sun everything goes off you go from 12 ,000 to nothing that decrescendo effect is what The melatonin's paying attention to it's the same thing with cortisol So this is a palm sea effect.

2:10:54So what happens? You need four hours of darkness Okay, melatonin builds builds builds builds builds builds when this melatonin offload most of its excited electrons It's at nighttime very early in the night, but but people don't realize melatonin is made From an aromatic amino acid so you regenerate melatonin in the daytime So everybody thinks of it as a hormone of darkness when it's not it's actually a light hormone But it works at dark so the way I like to think about it's got a biphazic result So what happens then when melatonin begins to offload its Photonic power to the semiconductor tissues It works best the colder you are So generally in the brain and I've done when we do surgery We actually can put an infrared thermometer in the CSF and you can see with certain anesthetics different changes In their temperatures so When you said yesterday Jack I know that my surgeon at Stanford told me that he he cooled my head The understand what he's doing.

2:12:01He's actually optimizing you from melatonin. So technically He's doing something that's neuro protective just as the methaneline blue buds But mine was in addition to what you're having and The reason that melatonin works better With the two to three degrees Fahrenheit change in the brain goes back to what we talked about yesterday It's because you're able to make extreme or very Low UV light so we're talking about below 250 so usually it's between 150 And 200 because you need to look at the action spectra of the aromatic amino acids Once the offload of melatonin is done temperature rises up the temperature change Change the band gap oxygen changes that signals Prolactin and growth hormone So people ask me all the time where is human hibernation because all other mammals hibernate we know It actually occurs every night between 12 and 2 o 'clock This is assuming circadian mechanism attacks which it's not so the growth hormone story actually is also a band gap story So hibernation is built into every cycle we sleep And the reason why this only from 12 to 2 well I'm saying that's in normal circadian biology.

2:13:19Yes, the reason why this is important I'm dancing with you guys with this because I want to let you understand it the signal from the fat That's also released right at this time where this is all coordinating This is when leptin is released from the subcufat and goes and populates the hypothelmas to allow the leptin melano -court and pathway to act As a quantum accountant it checks the energy level in the body That's what sets the whole system So when you get past 2 a .m. assuming circadian biology is correct What happens from that point melatonin starts dropping 2 o 'clock and what starts rising cortisol cortisol starts to rise all the way 4 or 5 cortisol wakes us up.

2:14:05I told you Pomsis where cortisol is made why because acth which is a adrenal cordicotropin releasing hormone Is the precursor in the pituitary anterior pituitary to make cortisol What does cortisol do as it rises? It actually changes the piezoelectric current of collagen And what does that do temple grandin story shrinks everything down and that's what wakes us up Interesting. Yeah, and I've saw a pretty nice paper recently This will just be a duh But I think that um to a lot of people I think it was surprising including me which was that um Morning sunlight viewing raises the cortisol peak by about 50 5 0 percent and you want a lot of cortisol in the morning You know the reason why now it's Pomsi I mean Pomsi is the supplement that Hubertman needs to stamp Saying okay, this is key because not only is it the cortisol hormone It's also tells you a lot about the cortisol melatonin cycle so you're getting into something I hope I want to go into So you're not a clinician, but you're going to go back and talk to eddy Chang eddy Chang is going to help you with this one T1 weighted images on MRI So what does a quantum clinician look for to figure out if your patient has a lot of melanopsin damage You know from bad light Only things that show up on a T1 weighted image subacute blood melanin What else white matter that white matter?

2:15:36So what does that tell me it's giving me an idea If there's melanin problems, I can see it the other thing that shows up You can see a deuterium shadow in different organs Because guess what I told you when too much deuterium is getting into the mitochondrial matrix It gets in through cox2 amplification in the mitochondria that opens up the un coupling proteins the door swing open Deuterium gets in screws up all the hydrogen in there. It spends the ATPase We see that as a signal change on the MRI so On several of the blogs and on my patrions site. I have MRIs of patients who are my farm clients Who they've cleared for me to show This is what I'm doing when they come to see me as a clinician.

2:16:22So you know most people will go and do blood work Blood work for me is kind of who gives a shit, but what I'm trying to tell you it's a proxy Somebody comes in and has a flatline cortisol melatonin level the first thing I know is that they have a problem with melanin renovation in their head So I'm interested in their MRI in places where I know melanin exists The second thing I ask about like I check hearing I look at their pupils like all the things where Any melanin is I'm looking for the efferent reflex Okay, if they're totally flatline then I know they have a palm -sea problem Guess what also goes hand in hand with that nitric oxide levels are low Right because you make that from UVA light What else is jacked up Hmm part -rate variability is terrible.

2:17:18Okay. I'll tell you guys to tell me about the endorphinine coughlin Oh, yeah, that's that's totally jacked up. Most of those people they they also have a very low pain tolerance Now I don't deal with pain tolerance unless it's a surgery Most of the people that come from me that are non -nurusurgical they're usually having a disease that they want to fix So I'm looking for other issues tied to this light problem. So usually they're flatlined In cortisol like we'll order a salivary cortisol melatonin study and it's totally flat So they're not making it at night. They're not making it in the day Yeah, you want an early day peak and you want that thing down at night.

2:17:53What I'm saying to you is these are all proxies That give me clues So like the gentleman who allowed me to talk to you about this I just left him to come to you guys his name is dick ran data dorian He lives in southern california He has a goal to live into a hundred years old So he's probably not unlike a lot of the people that pay p to add either do what he does The difference was Dick ran's been a patient of mine probably for about two two and a half years. It's got very specific issues And I've been putting it together He's done way better the first year, but this year he came he's got a couple of new issues And I'm not that I'm going to share directly with the issues are but They're muscle skeletal issues.

2:18:35So this should peak your interest based on what I said with p to addia Because these muscle skeletal issues cropped up And he had some other issues associated with it associated with melanin issues and this guy is Tanner than you are but he lives in southern california He asked the supplement is vitamin D because he can't get it up naturally So that told me right away that he's got a big issue. So I said dick ran Would you be okay if I don't do Your MRI this year on your muscle skeletal system even though that's where you're having the problem because I think your problem is actually In and around your basal ganglion and I think it may be in your hypothalamus And he goes sure So we just did that scan two three days ago two three days ago Found white matter lesions all over that area there isn't a whole lot of white matter in the hypothalamus to begin with Oh everything distal to it.

2:19:33I can show you the pictures. Oh, I believe you're the neurosurgeon I'm just it just sounds uh And I can't challenge your your clinical acumen. I just meant that you know when I think about the brain and white matter I don't obviously those neurons are my one. I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you the follow -up story Because this goes directly to really Why I came here because I want you to hear this so it turns out the lesions that I found Carly directly to the orthopedic problems that he was having He went to see two orthopedic surgeons In solving California one of them I bet you know I'm not gonna say his name, but I bet you know him because he happens to work with a lot of professional athletes in the Los Angeles area Okay He was told by both orthopedic surgeons that he needed this joint replaced Okay, I looked at the x -rays.

2:20:25I'm not an orthopedic surgeon These joints didn't look bad. Okay, I've been hanging around a lot of orthopedic surgeons Uh None of them knew about this study, but this was the interesting part The what the first doctor he saw this person worked for For professional sports teams As the sports medicine guy this guy asked in the question What about alternatives to surgery? Could I use you know red light And the guy looked at him so what's red light now just remember That the four teams that he works for all have photo bomb modulation as part of their training But this guy's affiliated and is telling a regular patient There's no role now.

2:21:14Let me tell you Why you're important in this story There's two possibilities here either the guy's a total moron Where he's unethical because if you're a million dollar athlete you get pbm But when you're just a regular guy in southern california you don't and I need to replace your joint So I can pay my house note and my Mercedes payment I don't know which one it is I'm betting it's probably number two The reason why this is important for me to come out and tell you this this is clinical medicine You are teaching the next generation of orthopedic surgeons I need you to get in there and say look You need to understand that there's more answers than what you're gonna hear About going straight to joint replacement because I think everybody's in agreement That what you came out of your mama with is probably more important than what Synthes or J &J can replace it with right That's the key right and the thing that frustrated me That he wasn't given the option, you know, and I know that he can default To say well, you know, this is not something I know a lot about but then why other people that you're working with on the professional side getting it But he's not right this sounds like a circumstance where he has some explaining to do At the very least you all are gonna have to forgive me because I my half hour behind my I supposed to be somebody but wait there is something I really want to say because I I hope this is not the first and last time that we get to sit in the same room together.

2:22:52I'll come to you Yeah, I'm not coming back Where were we that bad? No, he's talking about California. No, it's not it's not bad It's just that I can tell you that when I'm here. I don't feel as good as I do But remember it's kind of like what I told you about your eyes this morning that I noticed You have to realize I live Between the 13th and the 28th latitude I'm now at the 34th but really when you add the EMF and I'm probably kind of like the 50th latitude Last 20 years of my life I'm not used to I know that the stuff around here is causing a box yet. I said to Rick He's got gorgeous trees by the way if you ever come to his studio Marvel out his trees because they're creating oxygen so this man can keep doing what he's doing for us They're beautiful trees, but I know that Rick doesn't spend all this time here either now he gets around on Yeah, so I I will come to you in that case.

2:23:48I want to thank you and you for coming to here and you Rick, you know for hosting this um You know, I know you well enough now to know that you didn't come here for compliments, but I just want to say Thanks for coming all this way and Doing your best to educate me. I took a ton of notes Which itself doesn't translate to anything except more importantly Um, I woke up this morning thinking about um waves of light inside of me Yeah, I don't think I can unsee that as Rick would say once you've seen it you can't unsee it the tie with the cephalopods Also for me felt like a a little bit of a cosmic handshake between us and them Um, and I do think everything's connected and I don't mean that in any kind of like woo levitation magick art way.

2:24:35I mean we're really talking about the the substrates of life here Um at every level and I but I do want to thank you because You know, I'm relatively late to this whole game on light, you know and came to it through a different path And the public education Stanced through a different path and what I can promise you is that I'm gonna internalize this in a real way Um, I fully expect an invite that I'll get some Pushback for the ways I get it wrong As I said earlier, I look at all of that as reverence for life Not any kind of ego battle and I hope that when people listen or they see us go back and forth on social media I hope they also will capture a little bit of the spirit that you really brought here Which is like you're not here to soften it up for us But you are here because you want people to learn and understand so I You know, I really just want to say Thank you.

2:25:29I Listen, I appreciate the invite. It was fun I'm gonna tell you I'm not perfect. I make a lot of mistakes, but this is what I want to leave you with Life and science is like a photograph. We develop from the negatives So remember the mistakes or what guide us if we went through life Never making a mistake. We would never progress Stakes are good Remember Rick if you really understand what's going on here the quantum entanglement of this trial that we're sitting in right now It's in Rick's book. There's a reason why he brought us together to do this because he knew it was in you and me He wants to deliver to the audience what he's doing to us right now is exactly what he does to Metallica except instead of doing music Now he's using the podcast to do it and I think he's more entangled to me and you Then he is to Metallica or ACDC or Adele.

2:26:32No, we're not putting money in this pocket but We're giving him time We're giving him time that he knows that he may not have had And the older you get the one thing that you do realize Time is the most valuable asset that we have and Unfortunately, but I learned that the foot of Michelangelo the first 40 years I Pist my time away I focused in on the wrong things. I'm not willing to do that anymore I completely understand I'm with you. I spent the first 30 years of my life in a small dark room making music Forever I had no life outside of it and never saw the sunlight At all never I was pet one of my friends first someone to Hawaii said He didn't think I was capable of getting him because I was so White he's a ghost Why think about what he's saying it's the same thing you get in the gym.

2:27:33That's how I want you to go back and talk to Peter Adia Exactly. Oh, but Peter is gonna love this Fear is a good friend of mine. He's is he gonna love this Peter's a good friend of us. Yeah Well, that's the reason I'm being provocative. Why because guess what I think you linked me to Peter for the first time I mean we he and I knew each other a little bit on social media I think it was through you that we don't really tell him well I'm hoping that you do a podcast with Peter and you tell him basically when you do to all this you're gonna find out that Sunlight through melanin actually is the best way to build your muscles When you get that message then I think we just upgraded him Would just don't be surprised Jack if we all show up on your doorstep Thank you very much.

2:28:12Appreciate that. Thank you because I'm not sure he was gonna say it Actually actually she's probably Your biggest advocate besides Rick because if it wasn't for these two I wasn't gonna do this. I'm gonna be honest here I didn't believe you. I don't think there was you do you do respond for a long time when I asked I don't It's true and and the thing the thing is to be honest with you She's the most connected mammal to me and I listened to her more than I listened to myself why because she's been through the battles with me It's kind of like I don't know Rick maybe can speak to this in his job My job is really interesting.

2:28:54It's kind of like an Eric line pilot and a co -pilot I can't do my job without her like no more nurse especially a nurse her degree like She can finish my thoughts and we've been working together for over 30 years And it's just crazy and I'm sure Rick has got people that work with him Here, I'm sure you got people on your lab that work with you like that and the thing is People that you trust like that When they tell you something you you have a choice Are you filtering this information properly or not? And I decided you know what as much as I hate California Much I'm really dreading getting up to take this flight tomorrow morning, you know It's I gotta go right back to work You know back to trauma call um But do I feel that it was worth it?

2:29:48And am I thankful to you Rick for doing this? Absolutely Appreciate you coming and I don't think this was really a lecture or lesson. I think what this was To use the analogy that we used yesterday We all sat in a movie theater and we all looked at the light going through the projector to the screen And now maybe we see the same picture on the screen That's really what the goal was And the screens are also inside of us there you go How cool is that? I never saw that coming. I never saw that coming either and I listened everything he says and I never saw that coming Well, I told I gave you in this podcast something That I have never told the public The three blogs that I wrote for you guys.

2:30:36I hope that you truly Have a chance to read them because I think when you read I'm gonna have to the bottom with Andrew and he's gonna explain it We're gonna do a little journal clubman and Rick Rick's also gonna try and convince me that the Beatles are worth listening to Because I'm one of the last people on the panel. We never really get got the Beatles He's like we just need to listen to the Beatles together. You're missing out. So well you said you'd help you Absolutely, we just find the right path. Yeah, I'm not I'm not anti I just and we resonate on other music Absolutely, you know, so Lot of what's that loads loads so I you know There's neuroplasticity within me yet.

2:31:11Absolutely. Yeah, it's in it. You know the Beatles were one that Joe Strummer's favorite groups Well there that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it I don't know how many heroes in life, but but Strummer's I did listen I did listen to the Beatles with Joe Strummer 100 % drive it in my car. Oh, man Well, this was a delight and I'm saying that I'm a happy guy and I The most part but this was a delight. I mean I learned so much You