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27:36Absolutely. But it's because of the melanin.

27:44So that more thermodynamic energy can be placed in that tissue, because it's a semiconductor. Everything is a semiconductor. Let's talk about this with smell, because this is interesting, because up till now we've been talking about it as light. So, are you saying, Yes, I am. I know exactly what you're going to say. We use light to smell. We use light to smell. We use light to smell. We use light for everything. We use light to hear. We use light for everything. You are a being of light. Yes. A sonic being of light. This is great. I like it. I'm being of light. Would you say we are solar powered?

28:22I think that's 100 % accurate. And the solar power is driving all the functions. Just like it drives all the functions in everything else in nature. Nothing exists on this planet without the sun. But somehow centralized science has been given the past to that very basic issue. And the story that I brought to Rick and Uberman was the story of the KT event. The KT event is when all of a sudden a big environmental extraterrestrial issue gave us a brown out. Meaning an asteroid. Correct. And what happened? It affected everything of the basic wiring that we're talking about right now. It caused such a huge shift in the clade of mammals that everything began to change.

29:21More apology change, size and shape change. The animals that could survive then could then do some other things because the thermodynamic givens in the environment changed. Not like that. The predators that kept a little rodents under the ground were gone so that the mammals could come out so that their melanin could do... Their exterior melanin could do something different. In other words, they were less like an octopus and more like us. So it killed all the dinosaurs in a cataclysm, sent up this huge layer of earth debris into the... It was dirt that caused light pollution. It was like a dust bowl darkness.

30:07It's like LA right now. More than this. You know what I'm saying? Exactly right now. You're asking me to make this simple for someone to get. How long was it? Do we know how long it was dark for? 100 to 1000 years. That's what's really in decades to a few centuries. I don't believe that though. Sentry. No, I don't... It doesn't seem positive. It's not positive. Well, but there's a layer. Because then there wouldn't be life. There's a geological layer around the world. Yeah, it's called the KT layer. It's like... It's really skinny. It's black. But we don't know how long it took. And the bottom line is what Rick said.

30:40There's no chance that it was a real long time. How did I try to tease that out in part one and part two? That's when I gave you the idea that I got. When I thought about it, that's when I went and got an African -American patient with Vidal Igo. And I said, oh, see how fast. And you talked about this migration of melanin can happen. Because guess what? So Rick said, I'm not a skin doctor. I don't mess with Vidal Igo. You know, in my centralized training when I was a total asshole. So I got her and I said, let me see how this goes. And guess what happened? In a couple of weeks, I was able to get pigmentation.

31:12So what did I know right away? Melanin reacts to UV light immediately. I have a friend who just started having Vidal Igo on his hands. Never had it before. Knowing his family's ever had it. What did you tell him? I'll do some research. No, the defects in his environment. Well, he's a film editor. So his hands are on a computer all day. Hello. With Boo like shining on his hands. All right. So Rick, you're a decentralized. Look, you keep saying you're not a scientist. You know this. And you know what? I'm telling you, this is the thing that probably will frustrate you the more. I teach the people the more I want you to realize you become the teacher.

31:58I want you to tell your friends, don't be afraid. You know, tell them say, look, the defect isn't in you. I'm going to connect them with you. But the defect isn't in you. The defect is in the environment. See, that also is a decentralized mindset from realizing that everything is a coupled system. And see, the idea in centralized medicine is that, no, the defect is in your genes. See, that they go right to 1953 to watch and then click. Yeah. The genes and molecules dominate the paradigm for sure. But we already established, didn't we? That it didn't because gorillas, chimpanzees and us have exactly the same amount of genes.

32:34And they don't look anything like each other. Do they? And they don't have the same problems, do they? No, they don't. But I want to stop here because this is really important for Bill to get. Yeah. He glossed over this like Wayne Gretzky over the ice. You have a duty to me to say, yeah, why is it that I didn't pick up on that little nuance? And that, that is when I'm trying to tell you about the decentralized mindset. You have to be a curious observer of nature. And you will miss so much when you don't watch it. Like I can sit out here and ricks back yard and listen to the stuff on the PCH. Watch the birds come true.

33:19See the helicopter's come by. And I'm going to tell you every single day that I do this, whether I want to know El Salvador, Louisiana or here or in Portugal. I'm picking up some other nuance of nature that I actually ignored and didn't realize. When it happened to me last night, I mean, I'll share it with you. I think I said it. I thought it was remarkable that in a matter of 24 hours and met three people who are physically fit in the fitness business, NLA all have pancreatic cancer. I finally brought it out to somebody and I said, you know, it's kind of funny. I've been back in trauma call and gained probably 30 to 40 pounds back to pay my legal bills.

34:03I'm 60 years old, I don't take any medicines. But you look at my facade and you look at your facade and you know, you're got 9 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 people following you and you're making millions of dollars on the internet. No, I'm not talking about the people that you got this problem. But because your facade looks the way the propaganda wants to look, I'm like, this is a centralized problem. People in the centralized world need to say, yeah, why is it that all of a sudden now, the last 50 years, that people can look like rock stars are falling apart on the inside. The answer is what the question you asked me before because the organization of the melanin on the inside is the problem.

34:48So you're talking about awareness of your environment, basically, big picture and being more aligned with finding the correct environment also. Add something to that, which is because you've been taught something to not assume that that's either correct or the whole story. See that is huge. I know where he lives. He told me, but I know he's been in other places. Just think about what you said to parse this out to why I have a problem when people say this to me. Does a tree pay attention to its environment in the autumn? Isn't that why we get colors on the tree? Does the tree move? No, but guess what?

35:30It's paying attention to what's going around it better than we are. Why? Because it's stuck in the ground and its canopy is in the sun. It doesn't pay attention to anything but nature. Right. But you are the animal on this planet, living, sent in being that moves across the tectonic plates, that moves across the canopy and can do shit that a tree can't do. But guess what? The tree changes. Do mammals, coats change? Do their cell membranes change in the environment? Just because you can't see it, Bill, doesn't mean it's not so. That is the point that I'm trying to make to you about the people that are out there that have this idea, well, you know, if the Vassade's bad, that you're a train wreck.

36:16And I'm going to tell you, you told me two days ago that near Barsalai is one of your heroes and you really respect him. I do too. And part of the interesting thing is that his supressentinary work in Einstein in New York, one of the things that he's found that I think is absolutely remarkable, it goes against everything that the longevity of experts tell you, these guys are generally short, little guys that have high leptin levels and they're dumpy. Nobody looks like Michelangelo's David. Right. He did a, he's done surveys, he studies Ashkenazi Jewish centenarians. And, you know, they break all the narratives of the centralized, they don't really exercise some of the smoke.

36:57We see it all over the world though. We see Italians growing over 100 who smoke all day. Rick, think about what you just said. If we see it all over the world today, like a tree sees the changes, why do we believe that looking like Michelangelo's adonis is exactly what our speech you should be striving for. Hard stop. It's all I'm saying. That statement that I just made is absolutely congruent with nature. It's not incongruent. And I think the people that really need to be questioned are the other ones that tell me I'm wrong. But they're never questioned. Why? Because that's a want need and desire that humans seek.

37:36They're in lies a difference. Why? Because the Greeks, the Romans, made statues that are in the Louvre that we go see. Or in Florence. Or in Florence. The guy that I saw that started me on this path. Michelangelo's David. The nuance that I'm trying to explain to you is be an observer of nature. And if you want to get the Da Vinci picture in your head, I think it's an absolute requirement to be curious, observant, but never stop asking questions. Like curiosity is the key fuel to understand the difference between centralizing, decentralized. When people ask me, you said something to me on this trip that I really appreciated.

38:23You said the thing I respect about you, Jack, is that you don't sell anybody anything. Right. You're not trying to sell me a supplement. No. What I'm trying to sell you is a new way to think. Because I know that when you begin to think in a decentralized fashion, Bill is going to come to me and say, you're not crazy. We are. And now I understand why you're so frustrated. Because this really is this blatantly obvious. It's not that difficult to go out in the sun every day and live the way we're supposed to live like the lions in the hippas. The problem is we've created a world that makes that inconvenient.

39:06And then we've layered on this big layer of mayonnaise of propaganda. And it's a huge problem. I mean, this is the problem that I have to face. And I fight against it. I mean, Rick knows he said something in the podcast the other time because he stopped everybody, jumped up and said, I know why Jack is the way he is. I just thought about it. And I'm like, I like what he said. And I don't think that's the whole essence of it. I think what I just told you is the other soft white underbelly that really, really, really gets me angry. I'm not angry.

39:48I'm not angry.

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41:23Let's go back to the light coming in through the eyes. There's the direct pathway, what happens next. Well then, the light show gets distributed. Why is frequency relevant in that equation? I'm just going to say that that's how the system is built. So before I can answer that question to you, certain frequencies aren't supposed to be in a certain spot. And what's that design in the system? Believe it or not, that's actually where RNA and DNA come in because it's designed to put it in certain places. For example, the question I'm trying to post you, why isn't the substantiate Niagara right behind the eye?

41:58Why isn't it in the midbrain? I don't know the answer to that. But my belief is through morphology over 600 million years, that's actually how nature founded to be, the most thermodynamically favorable position for it to be in. That answer I know is axiomatically true. Like when in the first two podcasts, when I asked Rick the question and Andrew the question, does nature ever make mistakes? It gets to the core of what we're talking about right here. Like I don't question, when you ask me, Jack, why is melanin where it is? Because nature said it is. And the first person I think of when I say shit like this, is I think a fine man.

42:38When he would teach people at Cal Berkeley, he goes, nature is absurd. Do not question her just accept her. Yes. And really, sometimes I give people answers like this, and I think it does foster them. But when I tell you what I just told you, I embrace, I don't need to know that. Sometimes, some things that we think we need to know, they're just superfluous. And this is one of those things. I just know where the substantial Niagara is in humans, and I know what it's connected to, and I know where it goes, and then I know exactly what it's important for, and what key frequencies are there, and what it does, and then that's where we have the next discussion.

43:24It's okay, after the array, then why does this happen? Well, because the array, post -melonin and substantial Niagara, goes to the motor trucks. That is the pre -formal cortex. That's part of the territory in the two lobes that make us special, that controls our motor ability. And we are losing control when we lose melanin in the substantial Niagara. That has huge implications, because guess what? Can you get a version of Parkinson's when you'll never get diagnosed? Where there's no movement? But guess what? You are no longer an extreme athlete. You can't perform. I'm going to be honest with you, that's exactly what happens in the NFL.

44:07Really? Absolutely. That's how it is to that. They get a concussion. If it affects that tract, this is the reason why? Like I'll give you an example. And I know probably neither one of you, great football fans, there's a really great linebacker. I'm not. Fly Eagle's fly. All right. Well, then you'll appreciate this. This is a great linebacker for the Indianapolis Colt. His name is Derrius Leonard. He's a small guy, fast, phenomenal, came into league, did great. But he's gotten a lot of injuries the last two years. He had some pretty bad concussions over the last two or three years. He's gotten back on the field this year.

44:43He doesn't look like the same player. And the reason why he slowed a react. So let's think about this from it. If we took him out of the game, and the Indianapolis Colts took a look at him, you know, the best way possible, say that we have in Cedar Sinai, you would never find any deficits. You know why? Because you don't have any resolution power in centralized medicine to find out how many neurons in the substantial nigra have been popped. In other words, they don't longer work. The fiber out of the cables are not functional. But how do we know as a decentralized physician, this is going on? Because when Darry Slanders placed in the Colts defense, he does not react as fast.

45:27In other words, there's a time delay. Now, I want you to listen to this, because this is very important. Do you remember when I told you the light coming through the eye? Right. Remember we talked about the optical lattice clock? The control's timed. Do you know who's principal that works on? General and special relativity of Einstein. In other words, time is relative. So, melanin allows us to keep proper time so that the motor function happens and it's coordinated with the rest of the band in the head. By slowing down the signal so that the gaps are... Now I have a question for E -REC. If you understood what I just said, if Metallica came in and Hatfield was off, say half a second, how would Metallica sound?

46:17Not so good. That is Parkinson's disease. You know, it's interesting. I've got a couple of interesting thoughts. You know, I'm interested in aging. And it's really interesting to me how aging shows up in athletes because they're in this crucible of performance shows up much earlier, right? In their 30s. You notice the difference between... They don't run away from their melanin. 40 -year -old Tom Brady and 30 -year -old Tom Brady. So, I think, oh, potentially we could learn a lot by... studying those subtle changes that happen due to injury or just due to aging. But you can as an NFL player because guess what?

46:55You're paid to be on the field and perform. And the problem is they're in... They're the modern day gladiers. They're trading time for money. And the thing is, they don't realize what they're doing. But a lot of them do because all you have to do is look at, you know, like Junior Say I, kill themselves, or Dave Doerson, or kill themselves. You know, the NFL doesn't like to have this stuff out. But what we're talking about here, so you understand how this is going on. Like, I remember when Tuah, the quarterback for the Dolphins last year, on National TV, gets popped and he stands up. And you could tell that he was at...

47:29Concuss. Like, you could be a UPS worker in Idaho and know this is going on. But somehow the Dolphins doctors didn't and put him back in. Well, you know what the issue with that was? It was performance. We got to win this game. And he gives us our best chance because our backup quarterback sucks. So let's not lie to people. But guess what? I look at that situation with the Miami Dolphins, like Centralized Medicine. Because that's exactly what goes on in the clinic every day. We need to understand that we need to be solar -powered beings of light. And if you're going to participate in high -risk things like performance athletics, you need to be more solar -powered than not.

48:15In other words, the reason why Rick has found the benefit that he's found, as he's age, just like me, I told him, you need more sunlight. You need more grounding. Are you fully circadian? Like, do you go down with the sun? Absolutely. I know he does. Absolutely. But you're a member. If I watch anything, I'll be wearing red glasses. All the light in my house is red. There's no white slash, but I'm sure. I'm blue light anywhere in my home. Let me see, I'm here for a different reason. You guys know I'm here. I broke just about every one of my rules to do this, but why did I do it? Because I know that what could come out of what we're doing could affect millions of people.

48:57Guess what? I don't have that reach in my clinic. You know, when I fix somebody with Parkinson's disease and refer them, to say a functional neurosurgeon to get a DBS stimulator put in, the treatment, this is the most ironic part of this whole story. It is. It's an electrode that goes in the substantiate and eiger that replaces the sunlight they don't have. Yeah. Isn't that psychotic? Yeah. Considering the sun's outside. Well, look at us right now. And then when you tell somebody, well, family who has, you know, this, all you need to do is, you know, go to El Salvador and sit outside with your feet in the beach.

49:33They look at you like, it can't be that simple. I mean, Parkinson's develops over a long time. That's why old people, that's not true. Okay. So I have a, you just made, you just made the mistake of forgetting Doug Wallace's oxym. I have a close family member. It raises fast in that part. Okay. You can get like that. That's true. You can get it at an earlier age. I was going to say I have a close family member who's been diagnosed with Parkinson's. And, you know, this person spent decades working in New York City. What kind of job? Working late. Lawyer. Okay. So he's midtown, mid to street. Okay, gotcha.

50:13And, you know, long hours. You didn't get a blue light space. Well, not on that, but the city never sleeps. That's very blue light. You know, they would go on vacation and grease every summer for like a month. But, you know, listening to you and doing the reading I've done, I, I start to wonder like, could that environment have kind of set the stage overwhelmed him eventually? So fast forwarding to now. Every day he goes out with his partner and they go out and walk in the sun for 20 minutes. Right? But he's doing the morning, all right? Nope. He's in, I think he's in Chicago. So, outside of Chicago.

50:51So, frying pan to the fire. See, that's the problem. I mean, the sun shines. You've better than the sun. It's not the same every day. Tell us where this, tell us about the sun. Well, before we get there. Okay. But we got to, we got to finish this. Because it goes back to the, an initial question we asked. I'll explain this to you. The sun, the latitude, the Chicago and New York is the same. But remember, the population density's there. The way electromagnetism works. Because remember, light is electromagnetic. It's now getting into electromagnetism. Oh, no. We have been there. Okay. That's not a fair statement from you.

51:24You know that sunlight is part of the spectrum. One part. Sure. I'm going to tell you there's a difference between New York and Chicago. It's a major difference. And it's not just a lot of two difference. It's also the light that gets through it. The population density where you live affects how much light you can absorb. Because of how many electrons you have. But here's the most interesting final touches on the Parkinson's story. So remember how we talked about the light coming through the eye. Okay. Getting distributed. Go into the substantial Niagara. Part of the podcast, part one and two.

51:58I mentioned to you, and we skated over it like Wayne Gratsky. Do you know that people with Parkinson's disease have higher incidence of melanoma? Do you know that people with Parkinson's disease have higher incidence of hypothyroidism? So I want Rick Rubin, a hard stop and good jack. Explain this to me like I'm a third grader. I already told you the answer. Remember, it's a fiber optic track filled with semiconductors. The first train stop passed the super -cosmatic nucleus is the pituitary. So this is the reason why when the light show is disrupted at the SCN, then the inputs before the substantial Niagara are also affected.

52:42This is the reason why the incidence of hypothelamic disease is higher. The number one one, which is thyroid. So that's the reason why hypothyroidism is a big feature of Parkinson. If you know anything about thyroid function, T3 controls neuron function and motor function. Well guess what? Now you begin to know why their expressions change, why their cognition changes. In other words, it's not always about the light and dark cycle. Now we're in the collateral effects. The cascade. You got it. Now, the melanoma part, you already know and I've established for you that the substantial Niagara has lost into a melanin there.

53:23Well, why did they get melanoma? Well, if you don't have a direct from what I told you in part one and part two, what do you think their skin looks like? They got none. So, and what do they do? He just beautifully put the icing on this story. He's a corporate lawyer in New York and blue light. What did I tell you gives you melanoma? Boom. So, your friend, your story, the simple podcast. I just explained to you something that is well documented in the literature that if you walked into a neurologist's office, I get almost guaranteed you 90 % of them do not know that melanoma and hypothyroidism are features early on of Parkinson's.

54:07Interesting. I did not know that, but to put the cherry on it. Now, wait. Now the doctor in the NFL. You go to see the doctor, the expert. To know this. Yes, yes. And if they don't know this, there's no way they could see the big picture. So, because they're looking at a small picture. Myopic. With an adjunist. Yeah. Whatever they tell you, they're only dealing with a small circle of fact. In other words, of the situation. It's not a holistic approach. It's the exact, I don't like that word. It's the exact analogy that you guys use early about the elephant. That centralized medicine is touching the tail.

54:43Okay. Feels like an elephant because I felt a lot of tails. But it turns out there's a whole other story here. And the reason I'm stopping you on this. You guys think I'm going to go off and attend. No, I'm still on the same thing we've been talking about. Light through the eye. All of these ideas were using one disease to explain how all these other things go. Because when you want to see this DaVinci code thing. I'm explaining to you right now when a patient comes into me. West Parkinson's. You know the first thing I'm doing. I'm looking at the skin. I'm looking at the thyroid function. I'm looking at all these other things that other neurologists and neurosurgeons never look at.

55:18And then they wonder why when they put the palatotomy into their brain. Why this person isn't getting better. Because you only fix the spansher nigra. You didn't fix the other problems.

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56:51Why don't you like the word holistic? Because it has a negative connotation through propaganda. So, when centralized scientists hear the word holistic, immediately they think pseudo -science. I see. They think, woo -woo, and let me just tell you something. I mean, Rick, you're my friend. Yeah. You know a lot about me. Dude, I'm as far away from pseudo -science in Wubu as one can get. Yeah. I believe the people in centralized science are the guys of the shamans. They're the ones dealing in bullshit. This, what I just told you today, this is a life -changing beginning of this podcast for somebody who's got Parkinson's disease.

57:32I hope your friend, your family member, goes out and listens to this, and then realizes, what Jack's saying. Going from New York to Chicago, he's never going to replace the melanon on his skin to suck it back in. That's the problem. I'm going to call this person and say, maybe you should move to Florida, but I don't think you should do that at all. I think what you need to do is have Rick get this podcast unendeded to your friend right away. You could do that. You should and tell him anything. You know why? You're the wrong guy. Because you're the skeptic. But you know what you did? I'm a semi -skept.

58:07But you brought me his problem, and I actually performed exactly what Rick said in the beginning of this podcast. He said, you just put all the pieces together right then and there, and then I made a comment to you that offended. Like, going from New York to Chicago is going from the frying pan to the fire. What I said was absolutely accurate. And guess what? Was it in part one and part two? Yeah. You know where it was when Rick said, you know, Jack is funny. When I go from Costa Rica to LA, I'll lose my 10. Hard stop on the plane. Hard stop. Guess what? Does not play into this story? Like, again, we're da Vinci code now.

58:44We're trying to put the pieces together. I'm trying to show you how I think. So you were an inside guy for decades. Yes. We lived inside. You were like an underground mammal. Yes. With sunglasses. Yes. And now you spend, I'm going to say a substantial amount of time outside. And you can kind of do that. You know, you don't have to be at the equator to do that. But also thinks about what else he does that we talked about. He actually pays attention to the dark. Yeah. I pay attention to the light in the dark both. Yes. I think that that you need to realize that's a big deal. And the other thing, the other cliff that I think you're at right now that you're getting ready to fall off, is you're making the assumption.

59:27Do not think about Rick the way your friend is. When your friend has a substantial mitochondria problem due to the smell and loss, they are now on the deck of the Titanic. They need to do something like they shouldn't sit down and have a discussion with Bill. They need to jump in the goddamn boat and save their life. In fact, you know what the big mistake Bill is in Central Isle of Medicine? People don't realize the time is the most valuable asset that they have and people piss through it like it's going out of style. And the problem is when they get told that they're close to not having the time that they want, then they don't realize that they're fully capable of doing things to get it back.

1:00:10But guess what? Those things are just like the Titanic. Do you get in the boat or do you listen to the music? And I'm going to tell you the paradigm that disturbs me doesn't put that variable in to their decision -making process. And patients never get that. The only time it really happens is if somebody comes in to my office like with a GBM, you know, Gleoblastoma or, you know, pancreatic cancer or somebody gets shot in the head. Then guess what? It's so blatantly obvious. People don't have a problem with that. But when somebody comes in who's saying NFL Plarences, Jack, I just don't feel right.

1:00:53I can't think this and that. And then you think about what I told you about Darryl's Leonard. You realize that before they walked in the door just from me knowing what they did and having an understanding, okay, now sit down with me and tell me other things. Tell me other parts of your story. What do you mean up to it? Right. No, but you're adding to, you're adding variables that guess what? That I'm putting into this framework, this thermodynamic framework to make sense of it. Then what do I do? Sometimes I do test on you to see if I'm right or wrong. Like I'm not doing the test to actually help you.

1:01:29I'm actually doing it to see if you're hunches. No, not only my hunch, but I'm eliminating. Like it could be this. Let's do this to get this out the mix. What's the essence there? Why am I doing that? Some people who are centralized that'll listen to this and say, well, that's a waste of money. No, it's not because that's via negativity. You're removing the superfluous. I don't have to focus a lot of your money on say, okay, this potentially could be, I don't know, tart of dyskinesia. It's not tart of dyskinesia. This is a movement disorder. And that becomes important. See, in centralized medicine, they take a shotgun approach.

1:02:06And the time course is different. So back to the Titanic, the Titanic was warned that there are icebergs in the area. They could have avoided the whole problem by changing course a little bit. Correct. But they didn't. And so the people that survived jumped in the boat, the people that didn't listen to the music. I think one of the flaws in what you call centralized medicine is that they wait until the iceberg is right there dead ahead. And they don't think about it earlier. But isn't all the systems for earlier? Don't you think that's how the system is set up for sure? Because there's a lot more customers.

1:02:45Yeah, a lot more treating cancer than preventing it. Right. It's all about customers. Or detecting it. But you have to realize, you know the other part that we haven't talked about here. What's the patient's duty in this system? Don't you think it's the patient's duty? The thing is, I'm thinking about what you said to me about like your partner, your friend, the lawyer. What's their duty? Their duty is also, when I sit down with them and tell them, look, you're part of the problem. The way you thought about this issue, like, I'd like Rick to talk about this. Why? Because he's actually lived this.

1:03:19When he's 400 pounds, he's a vegan, he's got the sunglasses on. Something had a trip in Rick for him to say, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. What did it? The question you have to ask people when they come through, at least I do, do you realize that you have your undone and choreographed fact, that you haven't been wilded, you haven't been doing anything that you should do? And then, here's the key. Why should I give anybody 100 % when they only give me 10? See, that's how a doctor burns out. And people don't realize that when a QD of sickness goes up, because the system's bad or people's thinking are bad, the doctor is getting sick.

1:04:06Now, don't think that I don't think about this. Is lifestyle a key to everything, would you say? Not everything, but I'm going to tell you it's a huge factor. The mitochondrack mindset, the decentralized mindset, is always looking the environment for the defect before you look for the defect in you. The cool thing about the defect in patients, I think the cool part is, part one and part two told you how I think, I'm always looking for the melanin problem. Why? Because the melanin problem always tells me whether thermal dynamic losses, is it light, is it water, is it darkness, has the tissue itself started to break down, and see I can figure that out.

1:04:46Okay, let me get an MRI. I can see white matter changes. You know, you and I talked about that the last time we're here, but after the podcast, I said to you, you know, bring me this, bring me that, let me see. And you're like, wow, you can really do that. You can do it. And I think I told Rick this story. I had a farm member that I saw probably six, seven weeks before I came out to see Rick in March. And he went to see the Raiders doctor and the Rams doctor out here. He's a wealthy guy from California, Southern California. And he was having horrible pain in his hip. And he kept telling the doctor this, he went to see both of these doctors.

1:05:22And they both told him, look, when your pain gets enough, let's just do a hip replacement. That's it. That's what he got told. So he knew enough, because he's one of my members, can you tell me about, would red light help this? And they looked, I'm not, red light won't help this and that. But guess what? The million dollar athletes in the Rams and Raiders get that, but this guy doesn't get it. Even though he's also a million dollar player. Hard stop. So he comes back to see me, we do his farm visit and he tells me everything just like you're telling me about your friend. And I'm looking at the whole thing.

1:05:57I said, but you know, you got this, that and the other thing, he wanted me to do an MRI of his hip. I said, will you just year me for a minute? Can I do an MRI of your brain? And he goes, yeah. So I do one and guess what I find right close to where the Codate nucleus is. It's one of the outflows of the substantiate Niagara. White matter, leasing changes right there. Those go right to the motor cortex to his hip. Now, huh. Now I'm going to give you, so his hip issue originated in the brain. But guess what? Two experts that are hired by the NFL, you heard what they told them. So what I tell them.

1:06:37I said, get on a plane, go to El Salvador, but she did. He went there for three months, three weeks ago, I got a phone call from my hip pain's gone. Because I can't believe it. The experts were orthopedic. Of course. Right. I'm not a hip doctor. What am I? I'm the guy that knows how the body plan works. That's decentralization. Remember, I'm a neurosurgeon. The centralized... I don't know how to say holistic, but you're looking at the whole body. In this podcast, you guys can say whatever you want. I'm trying to tell you that like when I do podcasts, or you interact with me, if you use terms that I don't like, expect me to bite you like a great white chart.

1:07:19Why? Because I think that we're not going to get the changes that we need if I get lumped in with people who are pseudoscience. It's a trigger word. It's like a third rail. Well, I think it's inaccurate. See, put all the metaphors on you want Bill, it's inaccurate. And what am I passionate about? The truth. That's all I care about. And the truth is an approximation of what we know to be true today. So there is no real truth. There's a changes. It's always evolving. And guess what? How do I know that's true? Because octopus changed into humans.

1:08:00I think you need to think about what I'm saying. It's the way you think. It is totally the way you think. And you don't realize that light coming through the eye and skin creates the way you think. And it's the truth. And it is so hard for people to accept. Because I think people think, oh no, the way we think is tied to our mother, our father, or this or that. No, the way Rick thought when he was 400 pounds with sunglasses on is totally different than the Rick Rubin that's sitting at this table right now. I know that. He's told me that. But you know what the problem is, it's so hard because you see the world through your own eyes.

1:08:38And you don't realize that your eyes change. And when your eyes change, you're thinking changes. And that's why I always say, when you change the environment, you can change your thoughts. I was just reading this morning a review that talked about how skin is a neuroendocrine organ that responds to the sun, going back to what you were talking about. Skin and brain are connected. And an erected arm. These molecules, essentially they're molecules of emotion, right? No, created. They're actually entangled. See, here's the enderson. No, that affects your emotions. It's vitamin A and vitamin D and vitamin D.

1:09:13Guess what? Vitamin A is made in the brain. Vitamin D is there. Guess what? Vitamin A and vitamin D actually interact together. That's the reason why one can't be toxic in one or the other when those are totally controlled by circadian biology. Do you know how you do on the yokem? Take vitamin D tablets or eat too much, you know, cod liver oil. That's how you screw the whole system up. People don't realize your body already comes with an owner's manual. You need to understand the owner's manual before you go tinkering with it. When you start tinkering with it, guess what? You'll never figure it out because everybody in the world sees it all well.

1:09:52If you have a vitamin D of 30, you need to take 20 ,000 IU a day with vitamin K2. And that's it. And then all of a sudden you come back in three months and nothing's changed. Why? Because the photonics in the system hasn't changed. No one told you that going from New York to Chicago was the stupidest thing you could ever do. But guess what? There is the wisdom. Okay? The anger in me is because this isn't that hard to get. Because of what you just said. You did a simple little Google search and found out that Jack's right. The skin and the brain are connected. And they're connected in ways that the endocrinologist doesn't even realize.

1:10:31Connected in ways that the internal medicine doctor doesn't realize. And that the skin doctor doesn't realize. Totally. That one is completely clueless. But guess what? The reason that their clueless is not because they're bad people. No. It's because the propaganda that was uploaded by the Flexion Report into medical school keeps it that way so that you keep running to the pharmacy so that you keep putting sunscreen on. So that you keep having the propaganda in the system that makes you a patient. You know who has to break that? You. And guess how you break that? I just got finished telling you how you think.

1:11:09That's why you come to me. That is really why you come to me. Because I will teach you how to think. And the way you think right now you're becoming a much better journalist by sitting out here in the summit with me. He is way better at his job now than he's ever been. He knows that. He's been doing things. He's got famous when he was the shell of himself. But that tells you how much innate talent is inside of him. Now he's looks to optimize it. And he says look, you know, if Pearl Jam or Metallica don't like that I'm not available after 630, that's their problem. I'm doing my thing because if I'm not good enough for myself, who am I good for?

1:11:56Can I be good for my clients? Rick has that ability and belief and so do I. You feel better at 50, whatever, than you did at 30, whatever. How are you? 20, whatever. Yes. And guess what? He's got a fake hard valve and a water and this and that. And guess what he's telling you. That may be artificial, but everything around me is now tied to the source code. In other words, there's a lesson here. You can have a bad thing happen to you and it doesn't mean your life's over. It doesn't mean that, you know, if you get an amputation or say you get a meningioma and it gets removed. It doesn't mean that you still can't improve the tissue redox everywhere around it and still win.

1:12:43Still be, I don't want to say as good as you could have been, but you will be the best version of you at the present moment. Why? Because the theory of relativity. Everything is relative. And if everything in you is better than it was when you came out and this flips back on itself too. If a mother and father have a bad sperm and a can a baby be born with a retinoblastoma? Is it the baby's fault? No, the baby doesn't choose who decides to have sex after being an attorney. And I don't know, working as a Google patent attorney or being infertile and then going to somebody to take clomid. And then all of a sudden the kid is born with autism or retinoblastoma.

1:13:27I mean, you picked a disease. Right. But guess what? That's the interesting part of this. It's not just the post -mitotic form where these ideas flip. No, this explains why we get some of the diseases that have exploded out and nowhere. I mean, people don't realize the first paper in autism showed up in 1940. Autism is a neolithic disease, meaning it's come out of the blue. So it's Alzheimer's. The first paper in Alzheimer's is 1911. But you know, we act like, oh, everybody's had this. No, they haven't. Right. And diabetes was unknown or rare. Well, diabetes, until sugar appeared and then it was a disease of the aristocracy.

1:14:09I'm going to reject Bill Gifford big time right there. Why? I wrote a blog a long time ago that tells you that diabetes is an evolutionary adaptation. It's not a disease. Explain that. Well, it turns out that when humans left the East African Rift and they're highly melanated when all the way up to the top, there's a huge advantage when you use your melanin to make glucose, acts as antifreeze in your blood so that you can tolerate high latitude living. That's the reason why people in Finland have the highest rate of type 1 diabetes. Who did I discuss this with yesterday? Is a lady who rick knows who had me on her podcast?

1:14:45Who guess what? Magically got type 1 diabetes after she took a Moderna shot. And she was like, I don't know how this happened. And I'm sitting there on her podcast. And of course, I didn't tell her anything I'm telling you guys I'm going, I know. I wrote a blog. Now it's all there because guess what? When she got the shot, it lower her redox. What else does she get? A neuroendocrine tumor in her pancreas. I'm like, hello. Do you not think these are related? You know, and yet you look at her for sod and she looks beautiful. But she's not beautiful on the inside. She's missing melanin here, there, and everywhere else.

1:15:21Why? Because she likes L .A. She likes being in the business, she's in. See, it's that thing again. Wants, needs and desires over. Are you relying on her hippo that lives in your environment? And no, it's not good enough for you to say, okay, let's talk about the genetics. No, I don't need to know your haplotype. I need to know your foot's Patrick Skin color. I need to know your relationship with nature. Those are the key things. And then I want to know about your mother. Why? Because you get your engines from your mother. Miter -Condrial DNA. You got it. That we haven't talked about yet. That to me is huge.

1:15:55Why? Because that's where the light show begins. Let's talk about that. To rheumatabolism, you make light. I didn't discover that. You know who did? Fritz Pop. And Fritz Pop built machines took every living creature out there that, you know, insects, flowers, plants, human cells. And he found that they emit extreme low frequency UV light. What were his machines called? They had a photomultiplier. Photo multipliers. Yeah. Guess what? So you kept it a full time? Andrew didn't know that every living thing emits extreme low frequency UV light. Neither did I. Hard stop. Well, if we emit that, why is the sun toxic?

1:16:34So you have to ask yourself, is the sun really toxic or is the source of the UV light somewhere else? You may not believe it, but it turns out it's actually true. And you need to understand that that pathway, that rabbit hole you jumped down is important. I told Rick and I told Andrew, probably the single most important thing in my opinion, if I was to do an M &M of part one and part two, because I said it, but I don't think people who listen to it, the onion skin experiment of Gerwitch in 1923, when he cut the onion in half and put the glass and the quartz between it, you get no mitosis in the other side if you put glass.

1:17:17If you put quartz in between it, by definition that one experiment told you everything you need to know about biology. That UV light stimulates mitosis. You cannot grow. You cannot evolve without mitosis. So yesterday, Bill made me really happy. He sent me a paper and he gives son of a bitch. He goes, it's right there. You said it in part one and part two, but I didn't believe it. If Jack tells you something, I promise you I didn't pull it out of my ass. Okay? I'm telling you the answer is there, but you know how I found the answer, Bill? Because I asked the question, I said, wait a minute, if pop found this in the 60s, is this from the sun or is it from inside?

1:18:06And guess what the answer is? Yes, on both sides. Both, it's both. And then I said, okay, well, I need to learn a little bit more about this. And that is kind of where I started to understand Laptin a lot more. Well, I said, this is a semiconductor in us that has these unusual properties. It absorbs all frequencies of light, like everything. Even stuff that doesn't come from terrestrial sunlight. And I'm going, why in the hell would we put it inside of us? Are we making light that's stronger than the sun? And then I got the answer myself. I started looking at the absorption and emission spectra of the most important proteins in our body.

1:18:45And I started to see 200 to 400 nanometer light. I'm going, we don't get 200 nanometer light, but yet trip to fan absorbs that. You know, trip to fan makes up melatonin. And I'm going, these are the decentralized questions that change their thinking. Just to sort of connect some dots, you started this by you're dealing with a weight issue. And you were trying to 300, 360 pounds. And the prescription of eating less or eating differently and moving more. No, I ate more. Actually, when I lost the weight. But I eat oysters. I ate things loaded with electrodes. Which is why Rick put oysters in front of you the other day.

1:19:25And those were delicious, by the way. That's Rick knows. But basically you found a connection between light sunlight and electron. And melanin. Well, no, it was electron first. Electrons, electron. Sunlight electrons. Leptin. These are all the pieces that started out with the beginning of this podcast where the light comes through the eye. Because through the leptin, melatonin, corn pathway. Now we're getting to the core issue. Okay, what does leptin do? What does melanin do? In this type of system. These were the questions that came up when I started to see the organization of the eye, the retina, and the brain very differently than I was taught in neurosurgery.

1:20:07I will tell you. That's the key. Right. The interesting part is I was taught some things in neurosurgery by I always talk about this guy because he's a... I think without him, I don't make this quantum leap. Nicholas Besson. He's an ophthalmology researcher from Argentina. Okay. Who took eyeballs out of cows and shine lights or how many found out that it wasn't true it was in the ophthalmology books that actually UV light does get through the eye. And as soon as I heard that, I was going, okay, then that makes sense. That's why melanin is an RPE. Like I never understood my God or evolution put...

1:20:45I didn't know that UV light got in there. It just made no sense to me at all. And then when I got to read his papers but he got to be my teacher, the teacher taught me, look, just because it's not in the book doesn't mean it's not true. And I'm like, ooh, that's a new one. No one's ever told me that before. Certainly not in medical school. No, but this was in medical school. I know that, so I'm saying it's unusual. You got lucky. Well, I think the reason why I'm not going to say I got lucky. Remember the story I told Bill the other day about Peter Soutlow and cholesterol that he came in the room and said, I am paid to teach you this but I don't believe any of it.

1:21:23There's guys still like that in medicine. In fact, I'm one of those guys now. And I think part of the reason I'm like that is because of Bazon and because of Soutlow. There's others. It was cool to sit down with you guys and kind of tell you how the mammalian clade... came to be who they are today. That's 65 million year dance. That was cool. But like after I left you guys, I wrote a Patreon blog that actually took the story all the way back to the Cambrian explosion and went all the way. Because I wanted everybody to see really how this goes because I personally believe when you see that 600 million year journey, then you begin to say, okay, now my journey from zero to 60.

1:22:08Now I see this a different way. I'm not the same person that I was at zero because of the choices that I made in my environment or the choices my family made or the choices my profession forced upon me. And I allowed it to happen. That's a totally different way of looking at your health. And certainly, I think the most myopic way of doing it is getting blood drawn and looking at your blood and think that you're going to know anything. That's like the biggest myopic reductionist mistake that most people make because that's the dominant paradigm. Sure. That's out there today. Why? Because it's easy to do.

1:22:45Just because it's easy to do doesn't mean it's the right thing to focus on. I mean, that's part of the reason why him and I, I always say we're brothers from another mother because he did the same thing in his profession. And I did. And he always jokes that he's not a scientist, but I think he is. He does brain surgery with music. Right. And I do brain surgery without a scalpel. In a dark room. In a dark room. All night long with no windows. Right. For, you know, 30 years straight. That's exactly what my world was like, dude. People don't get it. They don't get it. I might drive home as the sun was rising.

1:23:21And then you go to sleep. Okay. Black outlines and go to sleep. That's actually, I think how you learn how important some of the stuff is that we're talking about. Like I, I fundamentally believe like they're going to an extreme the other way. The guy that's here with me, Dan, he's, he's like a lover. You know, he wants to hug. He's a spiritual guy. And I'm the guy. I'm the Mike Tyson. I punch you in the mouth. And I believe fundamentally being a neurosurgeon. All this time, people don't respond well to Goomba. They respond much better when you tell them the truth and tell them exactly what to do.

1:23:56And cut out all the bullshit. One of the guys that trained me an officer, the guy that truly made me the surgeon that I am. I'm talking about the hands. Where the baseball and the football came in. When they saw me use my hands, they're like, wow, you're good. You're really good. And I said, yeah, but it was easy because I was a dentist. I used drills. You know, everything I've ever done with my hands, I've always been Goomba. But Vorees, he taught me surgical judgment. Is the single most important thing for a surgeon. And he said to me, I'll never forget this. He had a reputation of being a real asshole.

1:24:35But he was spectacular surgeon. He said, Jack, do you know why all the surgeons have to be nice? Because they're bad. He goes, when you're good, he goes, you're good. Just be good. Be so good for that patient that they seek you out. And it made a huge impact on me. Because what did I do the next two years I was with him? Vorees is the one that brought Oster into the operating room. Vorees is the one that told me, God, you want to stir the pejorn? It's not stuff? Go. He let me do it. And when he saw that I wasn't afraid, he goes, come on, I'm going to teach you how to do this surgery. I'm going to teach you how to think like a good neurosurgeon.

1:25:16Because neurosurgeons that are good have to think six steps ahead before you make this maneuver. You're playing for the chest before you do the action. That is the key to being a good surgeon. Tell me about the sun in the different parts of the world. Okay. So let's start at the beginning. The beginning is, I'm going to say the beginning of us two to four million years ago, you're allowed to pick whichever number you like. East African Rick primates evolve into humans. Homo sapiens are around. They stay there for a pretty long time, probably two to and a half, three million years. They don't decide to leave until late.

1:25:58Why did they decide to stay? It has a lot to do with what's very unique about the equator or equatorial zones, meaning plus 10, negative 10. It's light stability. One of the most important parts of circadian biology that doesn't get enough press in my view is light stability. Rick, you'll understand this really well. He may not get it. When you're in Costa Rica, don't you find it amazing that the sun rises at six and sets at six. And then when we get to December 31st, it's 6 .30 and 6 .30. In other words, you hardly lose anything. But when you go to Utah, you lose four hours of sunlight. So when you have the thermodynamic idea that I'm trying to set in place here on par three, do you think you're better or worse if you have four hours less sunlight?

1:26:51Worse. There you go. And see, it's not that hard to get. I have a question before you continue. If you could go somewhere where in the summertime you got four extra hours instead of the six or six thirty, would that be beneficial? Rick, you already answered your own question. This is not fair. What am I trying to do? I just told you that I had legal battles that cost me a lot of money. People are trying to take my license away through COVID because I won't comply with anybody. I'm trying to reverse all the things that I had to do to get to this point to be what you and Bill today. So any benefit to being in more sun, more hours of the day is a good choice.

1:27:32Well, for me, remember, I'm talking about my problem. I told you I have no medical problems outside of probably an extra forty to fifty pounds that I didn't have before this process started. That will go. Why? Because now I'm on the opposite side of that. So did I already start the program to do what I just told you? The answer is yes. And you happen to know that I've ramped it up because I just went from destined in New Orleans to the 13th odditude. So why am I telling you this? Not to tell you my personal laundry, but I don't really care because it's important for people to see. But it's also important for like guys like you and Miss Adorsi.

1:28:14I told you that Malibu is not good. I don't even like, you know, Europe. I don't like Hawaii, but I like 60 -year -old Rick Rubin where he is right now down at the ninth latitude. You know, I liked that Rick Rubin. The fact is that you have gotten that message and you understand it. I don't bother you about it. We have never really talked about it. Why? Because you're the line in hip of the getset. The people I got to focus in on is Bill. When I fought with Bill yesterday a little bit about Salt Lake City, but I want him to understand why that is not a good choice when you have a thermodynamic mitochondrial disease.

1:28:52So I'm looking at you and listening to your story and the pieces you're in a state of stress and that's pushed you to a place where... It's not pushing me to the place I knew I needed to be there. No, I had to go back and do trauma. You're treating himself. Yeah. You're treating himself. Yeah, I mean, I'm using the same things that you guys are trying to put on. So you're back in to try to reverse what I caused. I know that I caused this. You're doing surgery. You're back in... Yeah. Doing trauma surgery. Okay. Up 24 -7 for seven days. So you're back in that last week that I did? You're back in that most miserable bastard you could ever imagine.

1:29:29They kept me awake for four straight days. I was ready to kill him. No sleep, bad light. No, all the things that we're trying to begin with. He'll be. Interesting. He'll be. It sounds horrible. Oh, it is. It's probably confirming. Right. Well, if I don't do that, if I don't do that, I never get to Rick and Uberman. I never get to what we're doing today. I never get to what we may do. What's my real goal? My real goal is to change the centralized medicine. That's my real goal. And I don't believe that anybody's changing her from inside. I think the change is going to come from outside. I think it's kind of like what Buckmasner Fuller said.

1:30:07He goes, instead of trying to improve something, he goes just blow it up and start over. I think that idea is probably very accurate, but it's also very inconvenient. I mean, imagine like Rick Rubin telling Eddie, yeah, that song sucks. You just need to start over. I know Rick's not going to say that, even if he thinks it. But, you know, he may say this, that, and the other thing. And then get Eddie go, yeah, this really does suck. You know, it's no different than when I sit down with the patient and say, okay, you got a GBM. You want to live four or five years because the book says you can't.

1:30:41Okay, this is what you need to do. And then they look at you like, you want me to leave New York City? Do you know who I am? You know, do you know what I do? Do you think I care who you are? Do you think I care what you do? Because you're a nature. Correct. You are, you that wild animal, that's no longer wild. And nature is telling you, you got a big gumbon in your head because you're paying the biologic toll of making bad decisions. Well, that's not my problem. I'm not, I'm not. I can't move away. You know, I'm a famous, you know, movie producer in Los Angeles. What do you mean you want me to move to El Salvador?

1:31:20Who do you think keeps the lights on here? Dude, I hear that every day, Bill. And I look at the person. And what am I supposed to do? They're allowed to lie to themselves. You know who they're not allowed to lie to? You are paying me to tell you the truth. Now, you may not like what I say. You may not even like how I say it. For sure they don't like how you say it. Right. But that's also okay. You know why? Because the lesson comes from revolution. That's why you have extinction events. Nature doesn't sit down with you and have a discussion because you like your job. It doesn't. Like it tells the wilderness beast you got across the Nile River.

1:32:06And by the way, this 30 foot crocodiles are there. And guess what the wilderness beast do? They do it. Because they know they must. Because that's where the grass is. And without the grass, everybody dies. So guess what? If you die for everyone, that is a decentralized story in nature. But guess what? That's not how humans think. Humans think everybody gets a trophy. We need to save everybody. No, we don't. People who give 10 % shouldn't get your 100%. But the thing is when you decide to have a baby, when you decide to have a wife, then you're sacrificing part of yourself for them. That's a different ballgame.

1:32:52It's a totally different ballgame. I find when we talk about this, I can't tell you how important this is, especially in my world. Maybe not in yours. Maybe this is the difference between being a journalist and being a doctor. Well, you're like an all or nothing guy. It seems like you're like you're all the way. Nature is all or nothing. Is this part of the tree? Nature is infinite. This isn't about jackfruit. This is about the science that Jackfruit believes. Nature drives all of biology. Your opinions, your emotions, do not matter. Your intent does not matter. Neither does yours. None of us.

1:33:32We are following the light. Source code. That's it. That's it. And guess what? Has nothing to do with us. No. We can follow it or we can follow. We're a result of the choices that we make. Choices are the hinges of destiny. How are they in with alive? Very simple. They live when before we ruined their environment. True. They were able to live perfectly fine. Well, either it completely connected to the environment. They, they, they, walrus is right out of the ground with blood all over them. They stayed out. How did they get their vitamin D? They ate the whole animal, including the eyes where the vitamin D was.

1:34:13They're able to persist at that level. They cold. Part one and part two. What did we talk to you about? What's the fastest way to make endogenous light? It's light stronger than the sun, being the cold. What did the endoids did? You got your mitochondria. They're creating massive heat through metabolism. You're making light. You're making light. And you're bringing a shit ton of calories. More stronger than the light. 34th latitude. That's how your design and work. Look, nature has a plan. I try to use this analogy, Bill, in a podcast I just did recently. And hopefully you'll like this here. Think about the boreal forest.

1:34:48The boreal forest ends at the 60th latitude in the north. We don't have one in the south because Antarctic is on the bottom. But remember, the boreal forest stops. Do you know why it stops? Because photosynthetic yield collapses above that. So what did I just say? No trees. No life. No trees. No photosynthesis. In other words, there is a kill switch for nature. Our kill switch. Well, nature takes different forms. And it's less robust. No, I would tell you, I'll put the poles. There's nothing. Well, you were at the park before. That's why people don't like that. Where we were, where we were all at the rift.

1:35:28Oh, yeah. And then what happened? We left the rift 70 ,000 years ago. Why did we leave? No one knows. Okay. My belief, it's probably tied to food. I think food changed because the planet changed. The East African, the East African rift. I don't think it was climate change. I actually think it was tectonic late shift. But when we innovated from the monkeys, East African rift, there's three tectonic plates that are connected to this landmass. As the tectonic plate shifted, that shifted magnetism. What was a consequence of these maneuvers? India crashed into the bottom of Asia, pushed up to Himalaya mountains.

1:36:05Himalaya mountains, once it's 29 ,000 feet, blocked all the hydrology cycle. This eventually over time created the Sahara Desert. The ocean went away. How do we know that? We drill holes down in the Sahara Desert and this freaking seawater there. We drill holes. We find seashells. So we know. So my belief, because the desert is there right now, that humans, two to four million years ago, were affected by this. And what do they do? We believe they left Africa by waterways. What's the best evidence? The reason why there's no true missing links is because if you know anything about human beings, they're going to have bones, put them in saltwater that dissolve.

1:36:42So that's the reason why we haven't found, you know, sotswatch. So to speak. So when you understand this, where did the story change? How do you get to the mitochondria story, the decentralized story? It's where Doug Wallace comes in. People who live in East African Rift at that time, two to four million years ago, they're what we call tightly coupled. They're L0, L1, L2, L3. They also have dark skin. Meaning the proteins in their mitochondria? Yeah, but I mean, it's the coupling. What does it mean? You eat less because you don't need to meet heat. Right, they're more efficient. They don't need to make heat.

1:37:14So when we started to leave the East African Rift and radiate all over the planet, we went to higher latitudes, the sun's not as strong, it's colder. Right? What did nature do? We got to change the mitochondria. So what did it do? It started to innovate different coupling systems. What does that mean? It releases free heat so that we can live in those environments colder. Now, some of the other primates that innovated from the chimps, guys that you know, Neanderthals, Neanderthals are a form of us, homo Neanderthalus, they seem to have died out of the 51st Latitude. This gets back to the Boral Forest story.

1:37:52Why? They had bigger eyes in us and 125 grams more brain. So what does that tell you? You needed more energy. You got it. And when you get above the 51st Latitude, that's the same story of the Boral Forest. Slin pickings. You got it. So why is that important to understand in this story? Every time Jack talks, I know that the photosynthetic quantum yield of that plant behind you is 39%. The photosynthetic quantum yield of your ATPase nanotore engine, 100 % in the mitochondria. Right. So guess what that means? You, when you're a human, you are wholly dependent on that, which makes the guys that talk about skin cancer, why you need to absolutely not listen to them.

1:38:34Skin cancer related to sun exposure. Yeah, they're ridiculous. Let's talk about that. Well, let's finish this story. So once we get up there, the Neanderthals find that it's a thermodynamic constraint to live in cold weather. So what did they do? They start living in caves. Okay. They wear animal skins. They start covering their skin. So what was the effect of that from part one and part two? That's actually with the first time that actually melanin got destroyed into dopamine and the homo species started to become more creative. Most people think creativity is an evolutionary adaptation that's positive.

1:39:13I'm here to tell you it came because we got dumbed down because melanin broke down. And people forget that when you have hypoxia, what happens to melanin? Hypoxia is low oxygen tension. That means melanin turns into dopamine, neurodrenaline, and adrenaline. What's the difference between Neanderthals and us? Our frontal lobes are filled with those three neurotransmitters. Neanderthals are no longer on the planet. They could not go higher. They couldn't go to Scandinavia. So when homosapiens went even higher, the story that I told you guys before about evolutionary friends or foe, diabetes became an adaptation to live at the highest latitudes.

1:40:04What was the constraint on our brain? What happened? We kept losing brain tissue. No one knows where the brain tissue went, but the two big things we know about Neanderthals and us, smaller eyes and smaller brains. That eye clock is a big deal. If your eyes are shrinking, you're starting to go, wait a minute. This means that light had to be changing tremendously. We don't see any artwork at all. Any dopamine creation until they go inside in a cave with fire. What's the first artificial light for our species? Fire. That ruins melatonin. Believe it or not, it does. Really, I didn't mean it. Yes, it does.

1:40:47And it's a problem. It's the first time that we began to cognitively devolve. But remember, this is all common sense, Suffolk. You've been to the museum in Outstretched like I do. You don't never see cave paintings outside the cave. You don't. It's the first time. And when you and mere kids in New York, we thought that this happened just like 10 ,000 years ago. It turns out we now know that the first cave paintings were in the end with all time. 65 ,000 years ago. So this marries to Doug Wallace's idea about the out of Africa hypothesis at 70 ,000 years ago. Okay. So as we go higher, what did Homo do?

1:41:31We start uncoupling through the proteins in the mitochondria. Make more heat. What is the consequence of that? We have to eat more to persist. So when you live at higher latitudes, since you have to be inefficient, you have to eat more. So can you imagine what would happen if say those northern Europeans migrate to a place where the environment changed? Would they be more or less likely to get fat? That's Jack Cruz. I just described to you my leptin -molano -courtine problem through this out of Africa thing. That's how I figured out the leptin prescription. So the interesting thing, that's where my train stop.

1:42:11My train stop was bad at the leptin receptor in the hypothalamus. But that's not where the substantiate migrates, like I don't have hypotheses. I don't have hypotharides. My problem is that one problem. So you run a setting basically optimized for scarcity where you had to eat as much as possible? Yeah, but I will tell you, in my opinion, I came into the world with this why, because I think this was in my maternal line for a while. That's what I think. And if I don't pay attention to light cycles, I don't eat that much. I mean, you can ask Danny's been with me. I eat breakfast and that's pretty much it.

1:42:46I am pretty efficient. And if you talk to any woman that's ever slept with me, they'll tell you I am a radiator. Like I radiate heat from those hot sleepers. Well, I needed cold. Like I need it really cold. I like it 60 to 62, 63 degrees. And I sleep box -ass naked. But remember, that's a consequence of my thermal dynamics. I know that about me. And I've learned that. I sleep hot too. Right. So you and I, as I said, there's a lot of things that we have in common. But I want you to understand, the reason why they're in common, we're not genetically related. But guess what? We are mammals that are uncoupled that need to do these things.

1:43:30Now, remember, the guys that are one degree north in Nairobi, these guys have purple skin. They are so thermally efficient that they can go run endurance races and then take a flight over to Boston to kick everybody's ass. Or they can be like you sane bolt and run on the volcanoes at the 20th latitude. You can check and nuggets and kick everybody's ass. There might a condrial efficiency is much higher. Totally different. You've clearly won another truth. My decondrial biology is actually cheating. It's actually, so it's doping. It's like blood doping. But you don't get penalized for it because that's actually how nature works.

1:44:06But I don't think people realize that the same story that's in the Boral Forest is in us. And I used in the antithesis to show that. The thing that was an implication of our first two talks, I think this stunned a lot of people. When I wrote a whole blog on Patreon about dopamine, why? Because you know that when I came out the last time I had read your book, I wrote all my notes in the book. And I knew that you would be stunned at why I think some of the people that you do work with are really, really creative. Because they're actively destroying their melanin. This creates dopamine. And they are really creative, but their creativity stops.

1:44:47They get past the critical dopamine level. And it's the same story that I told you guys in the beginning about the substantial nigra, isn't it? You don't have the disease until, okay, I've lost. And the same story is present in creativity. I don't understand how destroying melanin creates dopamine. That all you need to do is open up a textbook. Because that's something that explains it. That's how it forms. When you take melanin, it breaks down to dopamine. It breaks down to L -dopa. Like these are biochemical stops in the past. Your stomachs don't happen. Like it's bad. That sounds good. No. Well, you look at it as good as the connotation.

1:45:30What am I trying to tell you? I'm trying to give you the evolutionary perspective. It wasn't good. But we used it positively. In other words, there was... The dopamine is something that helps make us human. Well, again, it helps make us human now. Now, right. But it didn't back then. It actually changed the primary clade. It's what I'm trying to tell you. And the effect is still seeing us now. Why? Because when we lose dopamine, that's where depression comes from. That's where mood disorders come from. But that's also where Parkinson's comes from. The point that I'm trying to make to you, you need to understand the slide.

1:46:07Because guess what? Everything's good. Everything's good. Everything's good. It's how everything's bad. That's a neolithic disease. Okay. Understand now? Yeah. Okay. Good. So, we're talking about where people migrated to. So when I do 23andMe, and probably the same for you, I get 99 .2 % northern European. Yep. So my people are all up there with the short winter days, low -angle sunlight. Oh. I'm pretty pale, probably. Light eyes. I get sunburned, you know. Light eyes. Light eyes. Yes. No melon in your eyes. Well, on hair. So you're designed to absorb as much light as you possibly can. Inside.

1:46:53Yeah. Inside, out on the outside. Through the eye. Through the eye. Through the eye. I need it. Through the eye. Yeah. Through the eye. Through the eye. I need it. You need it. You need all the melanaryskin when you live in Nairobi. Because it's doing a different function. It's a different function. Well, not only protect, but absorb. You need to absorb it and use it. Remember what I told you about nature? It's a thermodynamic game. Nature doesn't waste energy. It's the most efficient way to do it. Exactly. See? It comes back to the original decentralized idea in this podcast. Part three. Don't ever forget.

1:47:34Thermodynamic efficiency is the key to all decentralized systems. Once you get that axiomatically tattooed into your frontal lobes, most of these things that we're talking about, you'll be able to figure them out without me sitting in your living room or without listening to me do a podcast. But now when you do a listen to me on a podcast, you're going to say, I know why Jack's laying out. Now I get where he's coming from, and I won't have to explain it to you like you're a third grader because you're like, this is all about efficiency. Like nature, the reason there's no boreal forest, nature says there can't be.

1:48:10The reason why we don't have pineapples and coconuts in Boston is because it's impossible. But we know today it is possible. And when you eat them, you're paying a toll for it. Because it's impossible. Correct. Remember what I told you about quantum mechanics? There is no cause and effect. Everything is based on probability. As hard as that is for people of swallow, what I just told you is true. But if something doesn't grow in that environment, you eat it, you are creating chaos at some level in your body. You may not believe it. Neither may your doctor, neither may any of your friends, but it's true.

1:48:45And not because you're saying so, but because nature's saying so. Right. Like I said, some of the advice that you get from a dermatologist, this is how bad it is. It'd be equivalent to them saying, I think you should buy 100 acres in the Yukon Territory and grow coconut trees. Remember how many times are that to you? Well, it's been growing a coconut and eating a coconut. No, but I'm trying to make the leaf for you. You keep tripping over these things. Yeah. Growing and eating are linked. It's the same. The whole food, well, it's tied to photosynthesis. It's all the same. This is the same thing.

1:49:22But I don't even think when you ask me the questions you realize, the centralization propaganda is deep in you. It's in deep in everyone. That's what you don't be mad. I'm not mad. I'm just like, look, everyone. How do you not see this? Everyone. Nobody sees it. Nobody sees it. It's just obvious to you. Nobody sees it. Like, for example, see that over there, Bill? Here's the perfect example. M &M gave that tree to Rick. Look at the size of those grape fruits. They're not ready. They're not ripe. But you know what Rick now knows? M &M gave me that tree since the grape fruits grow. I can actually eat that at the 34th latitude.

1:50:03Because guess what? The tree hasn't died. That is the story of food. And guess what? We are the tree. The basic story of food. It's an electromagnetic barcode of what is possible at the latitude and the environment you live in. If it is possible, then you can eat it. If it is impossible, you should not eat it. So Eskimos should need a salad. No. How the fuck are they going to eat a salad? Where does a salad come from? Colorado. A miracle of modern global food transport. We're getting very farmed to table here. Well, to me, it's just playing out. Just because you can do something. I mean, I'll never forget.

1:50:442011 on the keynote speaker at the Paleo -I -Vax conference and Emily Deans, a Harvard psychiatrist. I got into her with her huge about this issue. She's like, well, I eat bananas every day. I'm like, tell me where the banana tree grows in Boston. I said, you got a Harvard education. And this is in front of a group of people. This is like the first time people got to see the difference between me and the Paleo guys. And I'm like, you don't even realize the mistake you're making. And you're a highly educated, Harvard -trained person. And you think I'm the one that's batshit crazy. I told her. I said, mark my words.

1:51:21With time, you're going to be shown to be the one that's batshit crazy. And don't you think, didn't take five, six years? Nobel Prize comes out for circadian biology. There's now papers out there saying, yeah, if you feed mice and rats, things that are outside their circadian mechanism, they get fat. They get sick. Outside of their circadian cycle. Yeah, like if you feed a mouse, something that doesn't grow. That's amazing. At the latitude, they get fat. Even if it's considered a health food by the paradigm. Do you know what I tell you? Food's only a health food warehouse. Food is, this is it.

1:51:55This is the story of food. It's got to be coupled to light and dark cycle. It's a circadian story. Food is not proteins, lipids, and carbohydrates. Food is an electromagnetic barcode of where the sun is in relation to the earth and the moon. And that's not how we think about it. But that's exactly what we all know. The designers might have talked about that. It was the closest, but I will tell you, just think about this. We're talking about decentralization in mitochondria. Think about what a mitochondria does. There's no protein, lipid, and carbohydrate transporter for a mitochondria. It's electron chain transport and use protons.

1:52:32Okay. So tell me how jackfruit is wrong. Even the textbooks say I'm right. If it all comes, bulls down to electrons. Does it matter where they come from? Yeah. Are all electrons created? I'm going to steal it, my bananas. But are all electrons created? I don't know. Richard Feynman says they are. But are they? Quantum biology says it's not true. Well, I guess electrons get excited by light. So let me ask you a question. The electrons in bananas are they more highly powered or not than say electrons and pumpkins? Interesting question, huh? Turns out that electrons are different when they're in different forms of matter.

1:53:10So guess what? What's the most electron dense thing on the planet? Turns out it's not something that actually grows here. It's an oyster. So out there. In the ocean. You know why? The ocean is filled with water. What is water? A sea of electrons. Hmm. So do you understand now why jackfights... It's the food tasty. Beyond the location. In other words. No, it still has a circadian biology too. It does. So if you live in a place where oysters don't grow. Yeah, you probably need to stay away. Is that true? Yeah. But you know what? There's other things there. Like conk. Like shellfish grows everywhere.

1:53:47They just kind of. It kind of does. But not in the modern world. Like if you go up to Boston, they killed the fishery. The perfect here said that ocean. I mean, you know the California is terrible. Yeah. Used to be like you go down a paradise cove. You see all the pictures of the fish they used to plot. And there's nobody fishing out there now. Now they just have these algae things coming up out of the ground. But that's consequence of us. You know, we did that. So if you go down to Mexico, this fish everywhere. Because they didn't do what they did in Southern California. But that's neither here nor there.

1:54:21The bottom line is food is also a light and dark story. Food is a shiny and so on. And you know, you're allowed to eat something that's out of the system. But you need to realize that you're paying a toll for it. So what does that mean? Since Bill lives in Salt Lake City in like Spanana, that means that Bill needs to do probably CT or re -in the Sun a lot more. So Bill should not have this on. Have the sleeves and the long sleeve shirt. Yeah, I would say do that or just get more of it. Because then you can offset the chaos. Well, here's what I do do since I've been acquainted with the gospel of Jack Cruz every day.

1:55:02At some point in the morning, between sometime between like 10 and noon, I'll go down out of my office and stand out in the yard or sit out in the yard, take my shirt off. And just kind of with a hat over my bald spot, I will say, but and just kind of meditate and absorb the sun and just soak it up. I tell you I want Bill to do. I want Bill to learn about solar callus. I want Bill to learn how to turn about it. How to turn on the solar callus in his body. Solar callus. Because it links to what we just talked about. Second, I callus on my ass from writing the bike a lot. So tell me about the solar callus.

1:55:39Solar callus, the way I like to describe it when especially when people come in, either guys or ladies use the Louis Vuitton store. You go in the Louis Vuitton store with your wife. She looks at the shoes and she goes, oh, baby, these hurt my feet. And then Rick turns around and said, baby, you get those shoes wearing five times around the house and you'll be fine. We know how to break shoes in, but we don't know how to break our skin in. So when you're a white boy like me, actually all three of us, we all have skin that fits Patrick one or two from high latitude. What you need to know is the program still in you can still make melanin, but you have to turn pomci on.

1:56:14So how do you do it? Pomci. Proopio, melanocortin. That's also from part one and two. That's the basis of melanin story that's there for alpha msh. So the key there is you first thing you want to do to build it up. Eat a lot of shellfish. Why? Because the kind in the exoskeleton in that has a lot of chromophores that help the skin. Okay. Is it anything else or only in shellfish? Oh, no, it's in other things like for example tomatoes. Okay. You'll also find it in some fruit. So I'm trying to think of a good one. Macadamia nuts. Macadamia nuts. Macadamia nuts. You should like that because I know they sponsor your podcast.

1:56:55And I like macadamia nuts. That's a nut. I do too because I have high DHA. The other one I would tell you, the second step is then I want you to think about the circadian biology of the sun. In the morning, this red is really powerful. There's no UV. So you get a lot of red light. Red light preconditions the skin to make more UV. In other words, it helps everything in your skin. The fiber blasts, the collagen, the water. It energizes it. And as soon as the UV comes out, the palm sea that's buried in your skin turns on and you begin to make melanin. So melanin biology comes up regulated because of those three things that happen.

1:57:33You're putting substrates in the body, which are basically proteins that allow you to assimilate light. And meaning they have an absorption factor. Then you're using red light to get all the collagen ready. And then when the UVA starts, that's the stimulus to turn on alpha MSH. Then slowly, if you do this over four to six weeks, you will create your own melanin in your skin. That's the story, the idea that I got with the African American lady with a little ego. That's exactly what I did on her to actually stimulate it. And I wanted to know how fast it can happen. It happens quick. And then the flip side of that story is what Rick brought in part one and part two when he told us about when I go from low latitude to high latitude, I lose it pretty fast too.

1:58:17So what's the story there? That links to how long this photosynthesis really blocked, not as long as we think. And that's where that idea could survive that really. Not without the sun because we know that the sun is the basis of the entire food web. You know, I have a friend who I knew back in my old life who saw me and he said, I didn't know you could get tan based on how white your skin had always was. I didn't know it was possible for you to have any tans. And you know why I'm glad he just said that because Bill, that's the teaching case. Does a high latitude northern European who's got Fitzpatrick type one skin has Rick proven with what I just told you with blue eyes has just proven as the hippo and lion.

1:59:11He knows how to do it now. Now that he also is so in tune. And he's like, Jack, when I fly home, I usually know that I lose it. And guess what? I don't have to talk to Rick anymore. He knows. I don't have to tell him again. It's interesting like going back in the literature, you find these studies where people did experiment using light as a medical treatment for like Rick. It's obviously for vitamin D deficiency. But then also there is one that I think you would like to or you'd sent me or something using light in the context of a mental institution, a post -side mental hospital, to treat people's mental disorder.

1:59:52I remember I told you the direct tract through the leptin melanochorton was to the habanolo nucleus and I told you that way station basically was the gateway to the frontal lobes. That's the reason why that connection being direct tells you a lot all mental illness. I don't care what one it is. That's where the defect and melanitis. It starts at the habanolo nucleus and then it goes all the way. They're also using very powerful magnets from mental illness now. At transgrain ill -magnetic stimulation. I just actually talked to you then about that, you know, also reusing it as I use it in some of my NFL clients.

2:00:27Like the guy told you about Derrius Leonard, he's the perfect candidate to have that. I actually think that's something that every NFL NHL team should be employing after someone has a concussion. Like literally they should take you out of the game and they should put a transgrain ill magnet right over the top. And they can do that based on the neurologic exam, assuming that a neurologist or the neurosurgeon is good. We've barely touched on the magnetism side of the story, the electricity side of the story. Oh, I think we touched on it. I think we touched on it though. It was just a skiff, but we touched on it when we talked about Parkinson's.

2:01:06If you have any questions about it, ask. Yeah, so like we know the brain has got a lot of electrical stuff going on. It's got a lot of magnetic stuff going on. A lot of magnetic stuff. We just don't talk about it. We just don't talk about it. Because you know why? Centralized science isn't interested. Why did I know you were going to say that? They're not. The brain is chemical, right? It's biochemical. That's the model. It's chemical, biochemical, but that comes after the electromagnetic. So why do you want to talk about train station B when we haven't even figured out A? Because without A, B never works.

2:01:39The electromagnetic system is the primary. It's the source code. Source code. Source code. More than that. No, that's it. It's that simple. What is light called, Rick? It's called an electromagnetic wave. What does that mean? The wave form, okay? The electric field goes one way. The magnetic field and the light wave goes 90 degrees. It's called orthogonal. So for the camera, that's what it means. So you have an electric field. That's the one that most people. It's like two waves. Right. Most people focus on that. That's what we do. EGs, EMGs, or EKGs. That's looking for electrical deflections.

2:02:21But the magnetic side is also present. When we use machines that almost no hospitals have outside of places like where Andrew works. At Stanford, they're called mag machines. Magneto and safflegraphic machines. We put that machine over the head. We can measure the magnetic field coming out of your chest, 22 feet. Wow. 22 feet, yeah? And out of the head, it's usually between six and 10 feet. 22 feet out of the chest. Yes, that's the reason why we like to have sex, just the chest. That's because you're in tango. 22 feet. You're entangled that way. And you believe in not there's certain parts of your body that have more magnetic flux.

2:03:03I told you this. In men, the gland spinis, in women, the clitoris, all humans, the tone, which is the reason why we like oral sex. This is the reason why sex is even an electromagnetic story. But what's the fundamental issue with magnetism? Magnetism is just another force of nature. It's really, I mean, there's a lot of people that I'll tell you that it's its own separate issue, but it's fundamentally related to electromagnetism, which is a photon. So every light ray that comes in has both electric and magnetic power. And guess what your body does? It harvests both sides. Centralized medicine only focuses on that part of the elephant.

2:03:57Uncle Jack, both sides. So what is the thing that captures most of the magnetic flux from the sun? Come on. Water. Water is a magnetic dipole. Rick, when you open up that textbook that you don't like to look at, when you look at mitochondria, what's the end part of mitochondrial respiration? You create CO2, right? We breathe it out and we create water. Duterium depleted water. Do you know that Duterium depleted water has a different magnetic moment than water that comes out of your tap? Do you think that might have something to do with why mitochondria make that type of water because it absorbs more of the magnetic fields from sunlight?

2:04:48Do you understand now why people that have mitochondrial diseases might be interested? In understanding how Duterium depleted water works. This white car batteries used to have water in them. Correct. It killed the charge. Yeah, you got it. It killed the charge. See? I told you. You're a scientist, man. Okay, so they create water, this water, Duterium depleted water to help maintain the charge differential. No, it absorbs the charge. What water is an electromagnetic capacitor? Would you say it's like a battery? It's absolutely about it. That's what a capacitor is. In us is a battery. Battery is a capacitor.

2:05:24But guess what else is about it? What's the best battery in us? Melonin. And guess what? Melonin is always next to water. And they work together? Altogether. This is, remember how we talked? They're doing different things, though. Yes, they are. But they're doing some things the same, but some things different. But they are working together for the same common cause to improve the thermodynamic efficiency of the system. Okay? That's what band members do in a band too. They are trying to be as thermodynamically coupled as they can at that moment to create something from chaos. So in some ways, if we were to focus on melanin, we miss the story because it's the melanin and the water together.

2:06:10Correct. And they work together. Correct. And light and magnetism together. Correct. And the same sunlight comes in. And it goes into both of them where they're collecting different aspects of that information. But they're harvesting the energy. And they transform it. Remember, energy can't be created to destroy. That's thermodynamics 101. It's the first log. It can be changed. But it can be changed. And that's exactly what we're expert in doing. So you were saying before that Parkinson's is an example of the of a melanin problem. What's an example of a water problem? Most autoimmune conditions.

2:06:53Like let's talk about the most common one, multiple sclerosis. How do you know that I'm right? You do an MRI, right? You see an MRIs with me. See all these white matter plaques all over the brain. What are those? Those are aqua -four, pouring gates that are broken. They don't allow the water in. Most people don't even know this. Most neurosurgeons don't even know this. Every time an action potential, meaning an electric signal goes down a nerve, water's released. I like that. And where does the water release come from? mitochondrial function. So if you're mitochondria, and you get, will you release water?

2:07:27You don't release water. You think that may have an effect on the bio -photones that are created in the system? Of course. Everything's related. Then in college, you learn about mitochondria and water is just like this byproducts. I know. And it's so funny. I'll be learning all these things are byproducts. They're not really byproducts. Because it's efficient. Everything has a function. Right. There is no waste. There is no waste. That's the essence of decentralization. There's no waste. And the funny thing is Albert St. George, he was really the father of decentralized thinking. He's insightful.

2:08:00Yeah, he was. And he said, he goes, we are studying biochemistry completely wrong. He goes, we take out the water, and we just look at the boxcars and think that we understand everything. But remember, he was so wise that when he did take the boxcars out, he looked at the boxcars and he goes, you know, these boxcars all have an electronic substructure. This tells me they're probably semiconductors. This is before anybody's making semiconductors in Silicon Valley. This guy says this from just looking at what he found in the boxcars. That's brilliance. That is absolute brilliance. But guess what?

2:08:36When I repeat it now, I'm an idiot. I don't know what I'm talking about. You know, there's no semiconductors in us. I mean, Jack said that. I heard what he said in human and one and two. He said, he'm a globe and was one. He said, college and was one. And, you know, chloro. That's those ones. Robert O Becker proved it. Orthopedic surgeon from the 60s and 70s. I read his amazing book, The Body Electric. And he found that bone was a semiconductor. And he found it. He found out that like people with difficult fractures could heal better if you put a small current. Right? Through the bone. It's true.

2:09:14It would start making new bone and knitting together. These fractures that were, right? It's a guy. It's a great take on that you got. There's only one problem with your take on. Use one word that was wrong. Heal. Did they heal? Did you read it carefully? No, they regenerate. I seem to. They regenerate. I'm using. No. Is that semantic or so? No, this one is this one is a real difference. Why? It's one of the few tissues in humans that completely regenerates. So what we call the healing process of bone is bone regenerating. When we cut our skin and it heals, that's healing. That's wound healing.

2:09:52Bone has the capability to regenerate whole. There is no scar in a bone once you break it. There's a scar in your skin. That is a very important decentralized thing to remember. What does that tell you? That each zip code, each tissue in the body, has different potentials, different electromagnetic potentials. And it also tells you that what Bill was trying to highlight, that Becker is the one that found that our bone is a light emitting diode. It actually emits. It's got a P type and an N type semiconductor. There's no question about it. And the semiconductor and bone is collagen. Collagen is the number one protein in our body.

2:10:37So when someone who centralized tells you that we're not solid state, you should immediately walk out of the clinic because you know that person's an idiot. You can today, if you want, but you may wind up like my patient that gets told to just have a hip replacement. Because there's no chance that the hip can regenerate. See, I brought you right back to you guys. I think I'm being funny, but you don't realize they give you the real world example of what happens if you listen to an idiot. You're going to get a hip replacement. And what am I going to do? I'm going to teach you Becker's work, Howard works at the beach in El Salvador.

2:11:12And guess what? I'm going to save you that nasty scar on your hip. And you're going to be able to go and ride your bike and get a beer, a calloused ass, then you can imagine. You'll be happy. Can't wait. You'll just be happy. You know, we are amazing creatures. Totally amazing creatures. Yes. We just have to get out of our own way. In the centralized medical world, the perception is that the doctor cures the patient. In the real world, the doctor never cures the patient. The patient is cured through nature. Always. Always. There's never a job as to get the patient to nature. That's it. Hipocry said that.

2:11:56And then be patient and watch nature. Do it's magic. Yes. And it set the stage to allow nature to heal the person. There's things that the decentralized clinician can do, though, to help facilitate nature's job. Right. It's kind of like I would say putting nutrients in the ground for the creature tree. All medicine works that way. It's just not acknowledged. Propo -pocrates knew that. He said nature is the healer. He said it. He did. Bill's right. They didn't have drugs. He did say it. But the thing is it was obscured. And the discussion. When I tried to convince you both that propaganda is the opiate of the truth.

2:12:38That's the truth. I mean, what basically did Kellogg, Rockefeller, Flex and all do in the unison? But basically just got people out of nature. They did everything possible to do that. And then they started giving them chemicals that affected the main systems in the body. Like anything that lowers oxygen tensions. Highly destructive for our system. We are designed to use oxygen as a terminal electron receptor. So that's a real problem. How do you feel about things like hyperbaric oxygen? It depends for certain people. It's good. Like I have a friend who's got cystic fibrosis who looks like Michelangelo.

2:13:19It's the worst thing in the world. It's a great way to kill them. What about like - And think about what I just said. He can't breathe. And you're saying, well, Jack, hyperbaric oxygen gives you oxygen through the tissue. That should be better. It turns out oxygen through the tissue has to be quantized. What does that mean? Has to be tied to a light cycle. So what's the better answer for someone with cystic fibrosis? Go buy a Christmas tree farm in Mississippi and go outside it. And that's exactly what he does. He was told he was going to be dead at six years old. He just turned 40. Why? Because UV light creates higher venus O2 on the side, not the arterial side, the venus side.

2:13:59That's when it's going back to the heart. So what does that do? It actually reduces the thermodynamic load on the cardiovascular system. So counterintuitive for people to understand. But you know what? Doctors understand the best when I tell them this. Anacesialogis. Because what they do is they'll take post -op patients, put them outside, put a pulse ox on them, and they'll go, holy shit. So, and then I tell them, do you realize why people who have neurodegeneration don't do while when we operate on them, we put them in the freaking PICU? Because they're under all the blue light, the nurses are waking them up.

2:14:34So, do you put those people outside? They'll wake up way better. And this is so counterintuitive for them, because they don't really understand the wiring diagram of a mitochondria. But when they see it for themselves and they have a pulse ox on them, and they look at it, something they know, and they can't explain it like, jacks right. I don't know how he's right, but I know he's right. Ultimately, a lot of them are kind of like you. They're not signed to see there. They're just following algorithm. But when they see that I'm right, they're like, okay, now they're like, I want to PICU to have windows that open.

2:15:10And I just start laughing. I'm like, and guess what? The hospitals are all made. They don't open. Do you see what I'm saying? Even the design of the system, you can't open the windows. Think about that for a minute. Because what's outside is bad. And remember, you can protect yourself from what's outside. And the food that we're going to give you is main in a lab. The most unhealthy food on the planet is found in a hospital. It's by design. All of these ideas, hopefully you begin to understand some of the madness that's in my head. It's not that mad when you actually strip it apart. It's actually pretty simple to get.

2:15:51I just want you to know. You just need to think about it. When you think about it, you go, hmm, this doesn't sound like it's a real problem. Not like that. It doesn't really cost me anything. The only thing it may cost you is some time to unlearn, to relearn. That it will take. And like, I appreciate guys like Bill where he took 65 percent. Right? That's what he told us in the beginning. And he goes back and starts looking. And he goes, wow, that's true. That's true. That's true. When he starts seeing there's a lot more truths than not truths, then he's got to go back and say, okay, what are the collateral effects?

2:16:31It's like, it's the Eddie Chang moment. Eddie said 50 percent of what's published is bullshit. What did I say? 95 to 100 percent. And you laugh because you agreed with me. You're like, yeah, I don't believe any of it. And you're closer to right than even Eddie. And I know Eddie's a brilliant guy. But when we say that in part one and part two, you know, your friends, you know, his friends are like, oh, these guys are wacky doodles. Well, William Oxler said the same thing, right? Of course. But half of what we're going to teach you, people today alive don't know that. Half of what we're going to teach you is not true when we actually don't know which half.

2:17:09I don't know how that's any different. I mean, I see it as an evolving quest for the truth that we'll never arrive at. But I would have to look outside the I believe we know anything. I'd be honest, I don't think we're evolving the right way at all in centralized medicine. I think we're in fact going exactly away from the truth. So there's so many more studies. There's you can go on PubMed and there's a a shit ton of studies saying basically similar to what you're saying about how important light is to various parts of the brain. A lot of that stuff's been confirmed. Like there's like nature papers.

2:17:43So that's not as crazy as it sounded like 25 years ago. All right, so then tell me what is the most craziest thing? This is I said this yasha. I said it to you two days ago. I'm gonna say it again because I think this is not crazy yet if you were to go to a dermatologist. It's crazy. They would tell you it's so crazy. You have to wear a hat and you have to cover your you have to cover yourself and protect yourself from the evil stuff. So guess what? See, this is why I have problems with people. They'll say this, but they don't realize what the reality is in the clinic. That's not what patients are getting told.

2:18:16Oh, I know. And the issue is patients need to know that the stuff that I'm teaching you, this is not BS. There's deep science behind what I'm saying. The problem is it's your job. It's not the doctor's job. It's your job to see if I'm right. It's your job to go look things up and just realize even when you get the papers that Bill's talking about, there's still no light controls. This tells you how powerful the effect really is because it's that strong. It's still shines through. That's something that most people don't even think about. You don't even think about like the light in the lab as being a factor.

2:18:51It's like I get in the wire for the fish. I'm going to have. So you're different. No, I'm not because I'm a neurosurgeon. I do spine surgery on people. What's the number one outside? What's the, no, they won't let me. What's the number one light we use in surgery? X -ray. You think doing X -rays on people are any good? Like, for example, we used to do open surgeries. We'd cut you open, put pedicletrires in your back. But we only have to take one or two X -rays. Today, people like my electronic and J &J have convinced neurosurgeons that making small little holes to put the stuff in, but X -ray them constantly.

2:19:26Oh, this is a minimally invasive surgery. It's maximally invasive because you're using the strongest parts of the electromagnetic spectrum. Do you not think that those tissues you changed? Hello. You know why you don't think about it? Because you know, measure it. That's the normal. Yeah, that's the only way they're not measuring it. They're not seeing it. Never heard that one before. Yeah. That's a mind blower. And fly me back and we'll do more. But how about you come to El Salvador and we'll do it on my reef? That will likely happen. All right.