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24:22And I put a four digit type code lock padlock on. And she's like, and the second I think of the code, or I texted to my husband or my other, you know, the my other son or something, second, it was out there. He'd be down there. And she's like, but there's, I didn't say it out loud. And so she's like, there's all these things that happen all the time, where I come home with his presence. And I think, okay, I'm going to hide his birthday presents this year in the garage above the blank, blank. And she'll hide him and that's it. But then she's like, if I think about it, like if I'm going to come home with something else, I try to remember where they're at, suddenly he'll be in there.

24:53And so she had all these examples of he had never even learned to communicate yet, but she's like, the topathy is there. So, and then it, you know, it's kind of funny, before this was out, but like I had a few friends, of course, who knew I'm working on it. So maybe last year, and they'd send me like something that's on TikTok of a mom being like, I feel crazy saying this, but you know, I think my son understands my thoughts. And I'm pretty sure he does. And so, you know, I think it's always been there, bubbling in the families of this community. But now there's something people can feel validated by, hopefully.

25:28What is assumed competence? Assuming competence is treating non -speaking individuals as if they're in there. Many of the people in my podcast at Tulluppee Thetapes are non -speakers with something called apraxia, where their mind and body are disconnected, and you can't easily and effortlessly tell your body what to do. And because of that, it's really difficult to assess intelligence because your body isn't relaying all the things that you know. And because of that, I think non -speaking individuals have very often been treated as though they're not understanding. They're not capable of learning.

26:08There is no knowledge. There's no identity in there. And all of those things are false. So presuming competence is meeting these individuals with understanding that they're competent, even if their body is not bit betraying that. And what are spellers? So in the Tulluppee Thetapes, you know, we look at claims of widespread telepathy amongst the group of non -speaking individuals. And I'll get to spelling, but the reason I can't speak often, yes, because of apraxia, but speaking as a fine motor skill, you have to use, you know, the small muscles in mouth and that type of thing, whereas pointing to letters on a letterboard is a gross motor skill.

26:49So often, you can point to letters and spell to communicate, even if you can't speak to communicate. And there's different types of spelling methodology. It started as facilitated communication. And there was something called spelling to communicate. And then there was something called the rapid prompting method. You know, there's all these different methods, but kind of the catch -all I use within the program is just spellers, people who's to communicate that way. Can you walk me through each of those modalities? I'm curious how they work. Yeah, and I'm not a spelling expert, but facilitated communication is what started.

27:21And that got a really bad route. And it really has stigmatized all of spelling because people were using or putting pressure on the hand or the wrist of the person communicating. And there were some court cases that came about that, you know, clearly showed that what was being communicated was not accurate. And that really made people, you know, I think, turn their backs pretty quickly on facilitated communication. So, well, and before moving on to what has grown from there, I just want to say that even though F .C. your facility communication got a bad rap, many of the individuals who are non -speakers with autism don't know they have a body, can't feel their body, have to go through great lengths to know where their arm is, their fingers, their feet.

28:04And so having someone push on your wrist or give you pressure can really help you spell and communicate. So it's like a physical cue that you can use this part of your body? Yeah, it's like giving you input. Like, here's your hand. This is where you can use this is the part that you need to move. And, you know, to judge that because we can all feel where our hands are doesn't feel very fair. So, you know, I think there's a lot of pants who are like, this has been essential when using facility communication. So I don't want it to be just thrown out because they're touched, because sometimes that touch is necessary.

28:39But then, you know, it evolved. And what evolved next was like, don't touch, don't touch, don't touch. And all these spelling methods, which wrap the prompting method came first, you can't touch it all. And often you start on a letter board with like A, B, C, you know, big, big letters. So it's easier point. And then you go smaller and smaller. And you kind of have to learn and build those neural pathways. So a lot of individuals start with the S and No or just answering questions. And then there's the moment where you become open on the boards. Just like, you know, just like many of us when we're learning to speak, right?

29:12Like kids might say a few words and then also boom, they're having conversations. And when the individual become open, that's a huge day, I think, from most families and parents. Do you think that most parents know that is possible? I'm hoping they're starting to now after the tlopsy tapes being out there. But many parents are told their kids will never understand, won't be competent, won't learn above, you know, the age of a three -year -old. And so a lot of parents don't try spelling because they just fully believe their child isn't capable of it, which is not true. Or they go online and see, oh, spelling has been debunked.

29:50It's a pseudoscience, which isn't true either. You know, there's been a lot of wonderful evidence showing how helpful this is for individuals and families. And then what I found, even with a lot of subjects in the tloppy tapes, was that parents would think, okay, I see that kid's spelling, but they're different from my kid. My kid choose their muscles almost down to the bone or will hit their head against the wall or smear feces or just a lope. They can't sit still for 10 seconds. And can you imagine that people express what you want to do for dinner or that you might hate this particularly sound?

30:25And so once you're able to sort of expressing that stuff, they calm down and behavior change.

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32:10Tell me about the power of thoughts. Well, I think one of the, like, themes and missions of this project is to hopefully help people understand that consciousness is fundamental. It's not the mistake that came at the end of our physical universe. And materialism is the reigning paradigm or philosophy that really, you know, holds our scientific institutions and Western institutions together. And this is that, you know, anything can be measured and touched as real. And things that can't be measured aren't so much. And in materialism, you know, we think of the base of the universe as kind of, you know, physical.

32:50And there's physics in that and biology and psychology. And at the top, to be top of this pyramid is consciousness. Where does that come from? And how did it appear? Oh, that's weird. And what many leading scientists that are thinking materialism isn't correct. This isn't the campy courage because it doesn't count for everything. Have suggested consciousness is actually the base of the pyramid. It's the most fundamental thing. The thought comes before everything else. And if that is the case, then it makes sense that ESP and clairvoyance and remote viewing and near -death experiences and all that stuff would be possible because the more real thing than us physically is our thoughts.

33:30Even having talked to some of the parents about this. And, you know, if you look around your house, everything was a thought first. Your walls, your pillow, picture frames, microphone I'm using, the internet we're on. That didn't exist first. Our thoughts came first. So I think there's a lot of basis for the truth in this. Do you think that the powers that these resistance to this idea is that if you accept that consciousness is the base? That everything we believe is basically turned on its head and we start over. Is that the fear that it upsets the order too much? Yeah, I don't. I'm not sure why it's so thought against, you know, because it's not like we have to throw out all the textbooks.

34:20You know, most of our biology and psychology and physics books are correct. Quantum physics, that's a different story. But, but most of our thoughts are on materialism are aren't wrong. It's just kind of where consciousness fits into this. And so I think we've just become so embedded in this materialist society that we don't even realize how snobby we've become. In thinking that something that doesn't fit has to be laughable or, you know, dismissed or ridiculed. And so many the scientists like Dr. Powell and Richeldric, Dean Raiden, who are in my podcast. We'll have talked about this that they release research and some of us peer reviewed research.

35:00A lot of us peer reviewed research. That's really credible and it's been repeated and the skeptics won't even look at it because all out of hand they're like it's impossible. We won't even read it because there had to be an error somewhere. And that's frustrating because the freedom of inquiry is essential in science. I was going to say that doesn't sound like science at all. The idea that you discount something because it's not what you believe in advance. That defeats the whole scientific method. Yeah, it does. No, you're totally right. And I think, you know, something that Rupert Sheldrake, who's a biologist from Cambridge says a lot.

35:33He's like, you know, this has become scientism has become a religion into itself. Everything can be explained by science. And if science can't explain it, then it doesn't exist or it's not real or it's not worth looking at. And that's as to me like small -minded and dogmatic as like a fundamental religion and who believes things without observation and thought. It is you're describing exactly a fundamental religion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's scientism and we're fighting up against that. I mean, even I can see it when I'm talking about what I've been working on for years. So some people, you've been, they'll come all laugh and they smirk.

36:11And it's just like, come on, man. Like that's ignorant, right? Like hear it out. They don't argue it. They just discount it and shame you for having these unaccepted ideas. Yeah. Or they think it has to be fake. You know, there's like a guy in my neighborhood and his kid goes to my daughter's school. And he's always like, but you're going to tell me like how the magic works, right? I'm like, there wasn't magic. It was real. And he's like, no, no, but like, come on, you know me. Like, I'm like, what do you want me to say? It's real. Like I, he just can't fathom it. You know, and then I'll even tell him like, look, you can look at all the tests on my computer.

36:56Just mosey on over anytime. And you could see it from all the different angles. It's not magic. I was like, and then it's like, well, there has to be cheating, right? Like, obviously, like, there has to be more code going on with the parents like tapping their foot or doing this. Or, and I'm like, these are parents desperate for answers all over the world, experiencing the same thing. They're with children who often can't feel their body. They're not practicing worse code, you know, at night to trick the whole world. It's so out there that is such a wild claim compared to the actual truth. Yeah, the idea that all of these non -speaking kids are all hoaxing everyone with a trick mode.

37:39And that's the method. It's just such a wild, it's such a wild idea. Yeah. Yeah. And especially, you know, I love hearing from the teachers because the teachers, I think, experience this telepathy often more often. And many of them say that they can start to hear it back. Like it can be too way to let the, and I don't think that's possible with a lot of parents. But when I start hearing from teachers, this type of thing over and over again, it's like, all right. I'm certain point you just have to surrender and stop clinging to your, your current paradigm. And admit, I might be wrong. This all might be a little bit wrong.

38:11Yeah. What is Asha? Yeah. So that's American speech and hearing language association. And they are responsible for crediting speech pathologists. And that's a big deal because if you have your accreditation, right, you can charge insurance. You can put it on your website. People trust you. And Asha is kind of the standard bearer right now in saying that they don't accept spelling as a type of communication. They want their speech language pathologist to teach because it's not evidence based or someone else has to be in the room. And therefore it's not fully independent, which is always a little bit frustrating.

38:47I think to parents, because sign language isn't fully independent. You know, you need a partner to do that interpreters are can be in all sorts of rooms, all sorts of events. You need a partner to have an interpreter. You like you need someone else there. So I think a big objective is to hopefully get Asha to change their stance. Because if they can do that, all these speech language pathologists can teach spelling without worried about losing a license. Right? I mean, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Have you met the people who run Asha? I haven't. I've certainly met a lot of Asha members and many of them were teaching spelling and doing it under the radar because they see how beneficial it is.

39:25But the heads of Asha, I'm sure I'll meet at some point as that's one of our goals is truly gets spelling accredited. But I have not met them yet. Tell me about the autism community. How has it been for you to dive into this subculture? Tell me about the psychology of the people in this subculture. Yeah, I mean, I think non speakers themselves, I think are some of the best teachers and kind of people that can really teach us and reflect to us what's possible. If we stop caring about ego and our individual drive, you know, most non speaking individuals who have a difficult time controlling their body, at least as of yet, haven't been able to have careers or make their money or get married or, you know, become like popular in school or follow.

40:18And watch them and watch them become realized. So without that agency over their lives to date, I think their concerns are love and unity and they're looking not out for themselves because there is no self in that in that realm where you have no agency over your life. I've had such rich and rich conversations with non speaking individuals who are truly seeing what's important. 100 % you know, and then the parents, I think are some of the most powerful forces of love and sacrifice, just you have someone often dependent on you 24 seven. And again, I'm not talking about high functioning autistic individuals, you know, my brother has Asperger's like he's high functioning, I'm talking about severely, you know, challenging abilities with your body and those parents.

41:05They give up everything and it's not just it's just the social life too. Sometimes it's hard to go out if you never know if your kids going to be like running out the door, eating someone's food or eating, you know, lots of things and throwing up left and right. I mean, there's so many things that the parents have to deal with. So it can be very isolating. And I just think the parents are some of the most need to be treasured and honored by our society because they're some of the most incredible individual that met. And then as far as those I haven't met just in the broader sense, I mean, you know, I'm just getting a lot of, again, letters, I think people are very happy.

41:39This is finally out there. Imagine me a parent, teacher talking about this, you're often made to feel like you're silly or you're imagining this or you're gullible, you're just wanting so hard to believe and you're dismissed. So I'm so happy to know that, you know, they're able to send something now, you know, to their friends and family to listen to you to be like, hey, look, I'm not crazy. You guys, this is real, you know, tell me about savants. Yeah, I mean, so savants skills are skills that people can acquire from an entry or sometimes are born with that kind of make no sense as to why they have them because they weren't formally trained in this area.

42:20And sometimes I've never even exposed to it, right? So it might be like you're excellent at a language or a music or art sculpting math calendar, and stuff like that. And I think accidental savants are very interesting to look at because it might be, you know, you were mugged and hit on the head. And when that was done and you came to you could see fractals and math all over that happened to a man, I believe in the Seattle area. So, you know, savants skills are something we look at in the top of the tapes because even though we can't explain why they occur and why they happen, you shouldn't know something else, you've been taught it, right?

42:58That's what our material is paradigm would say, but scientists seem to embrace and know and acknowledge savants skills exist. They're there and they can't account for them. They do acknowledge them. They don't try to make believe that doesn't exist. Yeah, they do acknowledge them. But Dr. Powell, who's the, you know, neuroscientists in the program, her theory is, look, we should consider ESP as a bond skill because for the people that really do have it, they know something they shouldn't know. Just like the other savants skills, they know something they haven't taught is something in their brain or in the future or in distance.

43:32So, if we could just put ESP in that bucket of a savants skill and treat it with the same thoughtfulness and credibility, we could probably get a lot further in studying it. There was a story told in the podcast of a boy who could put his hand on a book and glean all of the information in the book from touching it. Could you tell me more about that? Yeah, so this is a teacher in England and her student, Asher. And Asher was a speaking individual. He had autism, but he was speaking. And, you know, he went through a pretty rough life. His mom died and on the mom's deathbed, she said, you know, to Jess, this teacher, can you look after him and just take care of him and just became a friend of him his whole life going.

44:19Taking, taking train rides with him here and there all over England and spending time with him. And Asher has since decided not to communicate with words anymore, they're too clunky and cumbersome and ways him down. But while he was still communicating with words, he was telling Jess some of the most unbelievable things about. Realms and consciousness and the nature of our reality and a lot of it felt above her head and she's trying to catch up. And so she's reading a lot of books and one of them on one of their train rides together, she said, look, I'm trying to understand this book about halfway through.

44:52It doesn't make any sense to me. And he said, you have it with you. And she said, yes. And he said, put it on your hand. And she said, okay. And then he put his hand on it and she said that she understood all that she had read and everything that was yet to come in the book. It's like all the information the book entered her in some way. And she said, how do you do that? And he said, I can do that with any all information is stored in the realms. And he calls it the library sometimes. And he said, I can go there and find out anything you want to know. And she's like, great. Can you tell me about consciousness?

45:25This re -recognition of thing. You know, and she asked a bunch of questions and he would go and come back with details. And then it was interesting because one of the fathers in my podcast who lives in another country, he wrote me afterward. And he said, you know, I heard that episode. And my son could do something like that. But it's not with a book. He can get the information out of another human being, any information in their in that other person's mind. They can absorb. There was a story you told about beaming. Teachers in a classroom and she could feel a student beaming at her, trying to get her attention.

46:02Can you describe that? Yeah. So that's Jess, the woman who had the book experience. And what happened to her, you know, she wasn't even trained to be working with this population. And she ended up working as a sub loved it, got her accreditation to work in the school of kids with special language needs. And she was in a room with people, some of which were non speakers. At one point she was watching them play on the playground. And there was a whole operation going on. I've wrote a new where there was to be and what was going on. And she's like, they're playing telepathically. How else could they figure this out?

46:34So she started kind of clueless into this and kind of acknowledging it in her head. And she talked to one of the students and she said, are you are you all talking without me knowing like in your minds. And he said, yes. And she said, I wanted on it. And they're said, OK, we're going to start to teach you how to do it. There's some other things that led her that point to like the kids were all laughing class. And she said, what are they laughing at? Like there's no language happening and, you know, stuff like that. So anyway, the first case of it is she was working with a girl and, you know, doing the work together.

47:03And then also the hairs stood up on the back of her neck and she could feel someone and she know exactly who it was. She wasn't turning around and he was angry that he wasn't getting her attention. And then she said, you know, stop it. Like I will be with you and a second, but right now I'm finishing this lesson with her. And she said his name. And then the whole class erupted in cheers. And asher who was talking at the time was like, you're getting it. You're getting it. That was a great for step. And then after word that child who was beaming at her, she said it's the only child that she was able to ever hear the voice up in her head.

47:36Like you'd fall and she'd hear him saying her name or crying for help. And she'd hear it. And then she'd run somewhere and sure enough, he would have fallen down or got his pants wet or, you know, couldn't open up. And then she'd come back and say, I'm going to go to the next door.

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49:28Let's talk about the different versions of telepathy. When I think of mind reading, I think of the reader looking into the other person's mind to get information, like the story that you told of the woman who was thinking about where the Christmas presents were hidden. That would be mind reading in that way where the kid was reading the mind. She wasn't sending that message. If anything, she was trying to hide that information. Right. And then beaming would be different. That's where someone's sending information out to someone else. Right. I think it was another version you talked about where a non speaker was able to use his mother's eyes to see something.

50:24Mm hmm. And that's again different than mind reading, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that became a big scene throughout all this was is this actually about telepathy. And I don't even have names for all these things. I just noticed that there's different things that don't seem like mind reading. So one of them was Mia, the first young woman I met at when we were doing telepathy tasks where her, you know, she'd be blindfolded behind a partition. We showed the mom and mom number or word or, you know, picture or number in a book and me I could identify it. But then at one point, her mom was like, well, she can do this popsicle sick thing.

51:00And so we'd cover her eyes. We'd hand her different color popsicle sticks and she could take them and put them in the correct piles. You know, we had people try on the blindfold beforehand, obviously, and everyone's like you can't see anything through it. So that's not so up to the what is that is she sensing color coming off of this stick and she knows exactly where the color pile is. And so that's what it says is that have vibrations like rocks or she's seeing. Without eyes or seeing through someone else's eyes. And I asked her when this was happening, I said, are you seeing through your mother's eyes?

51:33And she said, no, I can see everywhere. And we were like, what does that mean? So if the mother wasn't in the room, she would still be able to do that. In that case, yes, yes. But there are some other cases where there needs to be a person in the room for the non -speaker to have the ability. Is that true? Yeah. But just to answer this other 12th question, like I think the next moment of it where we thought what is this was when we were trying to do 12th test with a keel, the next non speaker. And the same thing. But then we opened up a random image generator. There were some images that popped up where his mom wouldn't know what it was.

52:13But he was sitting across the room and would start writing. So I think the example we did a few examples of this. The one in the podcast was I thought it was a food fight. I felt like mustard and mayonnaise. It was gross. It was like little and then. And even her mom was like, what is this? And a keel across the room suffering paint. And it's, oh, yeah, that's exactly what it was. And you look closer and you can see there's paint bottles and stuff. So that for me and Michael might DP the camera guy were like, well, what is that? Because she's not sending him a thought. Mine reading should be you're sending a thought.

52:47But it seemed like he's reading through her eyes or seen through her eyes. And then there's a teacher who's asked plenty of her students this and they say, oh, yeah, I can see through your eyes. And we're starting something called the talk tracks just to kind of like help unpack all the things that came up in the slew of the tapes. And that episode kind of starts in a classroom in Chicago where what has gone on there. Since the 12 of you tapes came out and the teacher says one of my students says he listens to it through my ears. And he'll know what happened in the episodes and I asked his mom and his mom is not listening.

53:21So. How does he know what's going on? Do the non speakers if they get to access the information of the telepathy tapes. Does it excite them? Do they view this as a positive? Yeah, yeah. All the feedback I've been hearing from non speakers and families as they're overwhelmingly thrilled just that this is out there finally. It's really exciting. What was the ESP enigma? Yeah, so that's Dr. Powell's book that ESP enigma. She was fined by the medical board in Oregon and then fined by the medical board in California. She had to go through psychological testing. Find for reporting what she notices. Mm -hmm.

54:05Yeah. And what was interesting is she asked the medical board, did you even read it? Or is it just the audacity that I would give my time and credence to something like ESP that's upsetting you? And then when they did read it, she got her license back because they were like, this is sound science. This is really well written. There's pure reviewed information. It's great. And she did get her license back. But what she says is financially emotionally, it was traumatizing. Someone looks for now on the internet and like, you know, Dr. Hezler, license revoked or whatever. It's traumatizing. I mean, it's traumatizing for me to receive someone with like the blowback and it's to be expected.

54:41It's just to be expected. People don't want this out there. I don't think. Who are the gatekeepers who are keeping this information silenced? Well, in this world, there's a few. Certainly, there's the material of science, I think, does not want this knowledge out there. And it's been around. I mean, we know that the CIA had a remote viewing telepathy kind of side program. I've ran for 20 years, you know, project grill flame, project stargate. It was called at the Stanford Research Institute mainly. It's all declassified information. So we know that there's credence to this stuff, right? So, okay, so there's the materialism gatekeepers, I think in science, who will really control what goes out in scientific journals, what gets funded for research.

55:26Things that make their institution look smart and good and brilliant and sound are the things that get. Get researched and thank God. I mean, I know like even with the UFO kind of movement more like Harvard and some other reputable institutions are now able to study some anomalous type. Things and I hope that starts to happen with this. But then in the spelling world too, you know, spelling right now, you have to pay to learn. I feel like it should be free and accessible everywhere. And it's not. And I think the spelling community in and of itself has to work so hard to try to get this. Just taught and accepted as a way of communication.

56:04And so many of the, you know, kind of stakeholders and big people in the spelling world, they hear about telepathy. It comes up with their conferences, it comes up in emails, it comes up on Facebook. It's deleted, the post is removed, it's silenced. And they don't want telepathy brought up because they're afraid it will make it even harder to get spelling to be taken seriously. Wow. So even the people on your side are against you. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. But then there's parents like I watched all this unfold on one of these big spelling pages on Facebook. And it was fascinating because parents were like, why do you keep taking down news about the telepathy tapes?

56:42This is monumental. This is exactly what's been happening in my family, my family, my family removed, removed, removed. And then finally, someone's like, stop removing it. Let us have the discourse. And it blew up on this spelling community. And you saw people saying, this is such important information. Why can't we talk about this here? This is really critical. And this will help our kids feel validated. Of course. Right. And if we know they have this ability, then we should learn to control our own thoughts. How is it hard? We know that they're hearing us, especially. Right or wrong. Yeah. Why would you silence it?

57:14I know. Yeah. Why would you silence it? It just, it's unbelievable. And what ended up happening out of that thread? I mean, it really blew up. And the comments were varied. And it was passionate. And then finally, the admins were like, thank you. We love that this discourse happened. We're not going to talk about this on this page anymore. If you want to start your own group, where you talk about spelling and these gifts, you can start your own page. And like 800 parents, 800 now it's way more, I think, left. I mean, they're so pride that group, but they started their own group. Yeah. Fantastic.

57:46We're talking about this stuff. Fantastic. Explain what materialism is. It's the paradigm in which we live in right now. And people don't even question a paradigm because it's, it's like the house you live in. It's just all around you. You don't even question it, right? But materialism is this idea that what is real can be measured and observed. I think in the most basic sense. And so things like, like, a sigh abilities, which is, you know, things like ESP remote viewing telepathy, you know, even just like the sense of being stared at. We know exist. Those things can't exist in a materialist of paradigm.

58:24They just can't. So they're thrown out. They're laughed at. They're mocked. You Google at them. They're not disproved. No, they're thrown out. Right. They're not disproved. They're thrown out. You know, and it's considered paranormal when it's not. It's normal. This is part of being a human being, at least his husband. And I think that when you go back and you look at Native Americans and, you know, Aboriginal and, you know, so many different groups, Vikings. I mean, this was Celtics. There's so much of this in our history that you knew when someone was thinking about you. You, there were seers that could tell you where to go hunt.

59:01I mean, second sight, all that stuff. It's in all of our literature. It's in all of these old traditions. But I think at some point, you know, science really became okay. No, we have to become, you know, better than those people that believe that, you know, I was like that white, Western academic world that wanted to separate themselves from what they saw is like this like the mystical beliefs of these like, you know, groups of people that they felt were below them. And so stamping all those, a lot of those mystical beliefs, I think, was part of just like colonization. And that meant like, reviewing science above all else.

59:35It's great consequences to us as human beings, I think. And that's the scientist and the arrogance of scientists and really. How did you get Rupert Chelbrick involved in the project? Yeah, I mean, I met Rupert a few years ago. I think he's brilliant. I think he's such a great advocate for this type of work. It was pretty easy to get involved. I mean, I think I remember our first phone call and he said, wow, you know, I'm never really talking to people who want to explore this in a way that they're not automatically pupuing it and and dismissing it. And he's like, I'm so refreshed to talk to someone who really wants to explore it from from a fair point of view.

1:00:14And so that right there, I think, led us to have a few very enjoyable conversations. And one story just have to share because it's just so great, you know, Rupert was a biologist at Cambridge, one of the best universities known the world. And he didn't believe in any of this stuff either. And he had a professor who was knighted by the Queen of England, Queen Elizabeth at the time for being just a really brilliant academic treasure in the country of England. And scientists and his name was Seruative Peters. And in the tea room once a Cambridge, Seruot off was telling Rupert about a boy who was blind.

1:00:49But when the mom was looking at the eye chart, the boy could read the eye chart. They took them on another room. He couldn't do it, but the mom back in the room and he could do it. And it felt as though he was looking through her eyes. And Rupert really respected Seruative Peters, you know, this knighted scientist. And he thought, well, if he's saying it, this must be true. But let's, I want to look at some experiments. So Rupert, you know, I looked at some of the research that Seruative Peters did where they separated the sun and this mom and they did telepathy test over the phone miles apart.

1:01:21And again, it was pretty consequential research. And after that, Rupert pivoted and he's a biologist, but he changed much of his career to looking at the biological base of telepathy in the animal kingdom. And he's such a pillar to, I think, the work that I was doing and trying to understand. What is point. And I think. Yeah, okay. So one of the teachers in Philadelphia was, I asked her about the hill and she's like, I, I don't know. I've never asked about the hill. She's like, but I know they're communicating in groups because there's things that will pop up as like a common shared term that I've never heard.

1:02:04She's like, so one of them said point the other day. And I think, you know, used it in the term like play. And then she thought that was strange. And then, and then like a different person she's working with not ever had to come into contact with this other young man. And I think this person was much older. He was the same word. And then I came up again. So she's like that type of thing will happen where they're using a common word that isn't one of our words. Like, isn't word that we use and in standard English. But it will feel like how did that spread if they don't know each other and they can't talk and they don't have email and they're not in Facebook.

1:02:39Amazing. Tell me about the ability to predict the future. Yeah. And you know, I think that what I have found with many of the non speakers is there's a variety of gifts. And I think just like some people are excellent basketball and some people can barely dribble. It's like that ranges. But there are few who seem to be able to predict the future and have said things like there's a young girl in Wisconsin. And she started talking about the school shooting in Texas, the week before it happened. And she didn't know the mom doesn't know where this was. She was just saying, avoid the South is going to kill kids and then kill.

1:03:19And she said, OK, you know, and like, do you know where, do you know how and you know, where, what do you do with that information called FBI and just say, my daughter is saying this. So I think she did put it somewhere or sent it into some site and, you know, like two days later, the school shooting happened in Texas and, you know, another girl. And Arizona, she really can sense when like a big world event, the tragic event has happened and then it will happen. And then I asked. Actually, I learned about her through her minister at the church. And I said, you know, was there ever an example of something specific, not like having to do like a world crisis.

1:03:58And she said, oh, yeah, she said her dad was in sip on ice. And we thought that was pretty like we could dismiss that because they live in Arizona and there's never ice here and they don't really travel that much because they have a non -spoken child that's hard. And then the dad like, you know, a few months later randomly never happens, but he had to go on a business trip. He slipped on black ice and broke his hip. And that's exactly the girl said he was going to break his head. So, you know, the parents are dealing with that type of stuff quite often. There was a teacher who talked about seeing a student's light body rise above their body.

1:04:31Yeah, so that's a teacher named Susie. And she. When she first got into the work with autism, she was a speech pathologist and she had never autism was new really there weren't many people with it. And that was kind of a blessing because she didn't have any preconceived notions of what to think or what to do and she walked into this room with this severely autistic individual. And so she just walked into this room. It was just him and her and she sat down and kind of thought I'm just going to wait until you're ready until you're good and well, you know, we'll see how this goes. And she said, then she saw a light body.

1:05:04Well, it looked like his body floating above his head, but attached to him still with like a little string. And she couldn't, you know, keep rubbing her eyes and looking away and it was always there. And then he expressed to her what she says was telepathically like, you know, this is what you're going to do. You're going to help me get my light body into my body. You're going to help merge to. And then that became her work and he really explained to her what he needed like tuning forks to one that was tuned to the resonance of his quote unquote soul or light body one that was tuned to the resonance of his body.

1:05:39And then he said, hey, Bingham at the same time and like he could go together. He gave her a lot of tips like that, which then Susie has written about and now teaches classes on so to help other families. Did you get the impression that he allowed her to see his light body? I don't know because it is like, was it really a light body or is he doing something with her consciousness or was she ready and like could receive this work or wasn't allowance. I don't know and I don't think she knows either. And how did it work with the tuning forks? It worked and she's since done that more, you know, because I think so much of it with with these individuals with a praxia is integration between like your mind and your body not feeling your body not knowing that you have a body not feeling inside of your body and how frustrating.

1:06:29I think that's where the base of the gifts come from though. I mean, if we do have a consciousness or soul that can exist without our fleshy baggage here. How cool. So one tuning fork resonates with the light body and one tuning fork resonates with the physical body. And if you ring them together, the sound can bring them together. Is that your understanding of it? Yeah, it's like the merging of the two sounds emerges that you together, but she said it was really tricky to figure out the right resonance. She was constantly bringing new tuning for it's new to the new tuning forks and they found the one that was right.

1:07:05Do you think it's possible now again, this is hypothetical because you don't know. Is it possible? Neurotypical children can learn to visit the hill early enough in life, maybe when they're preverbal, if they're exposed to the ideas. I would think so. Seems like that'd be good for the world. Yeah, it would. It would. And you know, I'm of drought to drop like the first bonus episode, which is something called the talk tracks. And it's about Dan who was a volunteer on these classrooms for last three months visiting the hill. And it's interesting to hear his perspective on what it's like and how it was like for him.

1:07:47And I have been told by a lot of parents, the hills be inundated by neuro typical people trying to join and it's like a threat in a way because it's important to have your own safe spaces. But I also believe that the hill is well protected and and anonymous speakers there are fine. They don't need our help. I think they're strongly protected and it's their space. So I think you're not going to come in unless you're welcome. I do believe that. But yeah, getting younger individuals there earlier. They really cool. You mentioned someone who was verbal and decided to stop using verbal language because telepathy was so far superior.

1:08:28Tell me about that. Essentially at one point in his life, he said he doesn't want language is so tricky. It's cumbersome to form the words in your brain and figure out what word is going to represent the symbol and then try to get your muscles in your mouth to work it and speak it. And then that has a vibration that like exits your mouth and all of that together is an awful lot to motor plan and think about. And it's really a lot of work just to communicate. And he said he'd rather just communicate telepathically from now on because it's a much easier and simpler. For him and I think that was one of the.

1:09:08I think first like what when I was working on this project was the first parents, which was me as parents means Mama saying, you know, me, it prefers me to talk to her in my mind. If I'm asking you what she wants for dinner, she prefers me to say it in my mind and then she'll answer it. And then I'm more parents at that and the teacher starts saying it and you know it's easier in the classroom if I just ask it with my mind and not with words because the words. It's too much. There's too many things like why do you need them if we can do it through the mind that's easier. So that's a common theme.

1:09:38That's what that's preferred. And it makes sense that I can say a sentence to you and you could picture what I'm saying and what your picturing could be completely different than what I'm picturing. Because the nature of language is so imperfect. Yeah. And you know, in episode eight, we meet this young man in Kyle who never learned to spell. He talks to his mom and dreams. He shows up to her and he also figured out how to communicate telepathically. It takes work on the mom side. She's got a totally empty out and be ready. But she explained it. She said, you know, with words like if you say the word Thanksgiving, right?

1:10:12It's like you said the word Thanksgiving. But if Kyle said sends you that to help pathically, you receive the smells and like sleeping in your childhood bed and the football game in the background and the cold weather outside and people shoes by the door and, you know, you're funny aunt in the kitchen who's always complaining about this and you know, whatever it is, like you get the whole picture, the whole feeling, the whole experience of Thanksgiving. Amazing.

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1:12:11You think it's possible that the reason autism rates are going up exponentially is it possible that it's not a defect but it's actually a more advanced form of humanity that this state where telepathy is. I'll say normal. Is really an advanced form. Is that possible? I mean, I think anything's possible for sure. You know, it's so tricky, right? Because I think for so many nonspeakers that can't control their body. It's so frustrating for them. It's frustrating for their families. And I want to like give a lot of space and grace to the fact that it's not a cake walk. However, there are certainly nonspeakers who have said I chose this.

1:13:04My parents chose it. We're here for a reason. We're here to help humanity evolve. You listen to us. We have a lot we can teach. So, you know, all I can go off of is what individuals have told me. And certainly not every single nonspeaker has said that, but quite a few have. But is the reason that it's so difficult. Because the society isn't set up for it. It's not that it's the problem. It's that the way society treats it is the problem. Right. Yeah. I think that's right. I think that's right. And if we made some major shifts in society. Yeah. Tell me about the mind reading parry. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a great story.

1:13:50So, you know, we were doing telepathy tests with individuals where we show them a card or a picture and. What were their telepathic with will tell you what that person's looking at. And Rupert Sheldrake said that he had tested a parent that had this ability. And I said, what, you know, and he said after my book, dogs know when their owners are coming home came out. A woman reached out to him and she said, I have a parrot. I live in New York. And she's I think since moved, but he can speak so many words. And he's always learning new words. And if I teach him a new word or if he doesn't have a word for it, it'll put two words together that makes sense.

1:14:27And he uses words accurately and we can have conversations. And he can tell what's going on in my mind. And Rupert said, OK, wait, I think I need to go test this out and meet you, but explain what you mean by that. And she said, well, if I'm dreaming, for instance, I'm having a dream of saying being chased by a bear. The hair will start screaming, you know, watch out the bear, you know, and it'll wake her up. Or if she's looking through a magazine. And she's looking at a nice red purse or something. The parent might be like, Oh, I love the red purse. I mean, just the most unbelievable thing. So.

1:14:58Rupert went to go test this and check it out. Sure enough, she was living through magazine looking pictures and the pair was able to say what she was looking at. So Rupert thought, OK, I'm going to come back and test real. And, you know, Dr. Sheldrake put whose Rupert put a bird in one room, I think even on the floor lots of cameras around, put Amy the owner in a different room. As a cameras around, they would show Amy something. And all the time code was, you know, matched and the bird would respond to what she was looking at, not every time, but almost every time. And it would be pretty remarkable.

1:15:33Like one was a couple walking on a beach. And the birds are going, look at your naked body, you know, that's, that's a great naked body. It was kind of funny. And then, you know, one was a person putting their head out the window hailing a cab. And the parrot is, you know, what's your head? If you guys took your head out, you got what you had, you know, just responding perfectly to these images. That's wild. Or tell me the story of Lauren's Anthony and the elephants. Yeah. Lauren's Anthony was more of an animal rights, all the type activists lived in Africa and, you know, he got reports of all these elephants kind of terrorizing a village.

1:16:13And he tried to bring them to the reserve that he had opened. And he took a long time to get all these elephants a trust him to get them on the reserve. But once they did, he was a friend to these elephants. And, you know, after a while, the elephants became pretty comfortable. They had many square miles to roam. So he lived not on the preserve anymore. He kind of lived farther off more in town. And at some point, and all these details are a little fuzzy. But I'm just doing and recounting it to the best of my ability. And when he died, pretty quickly, the elephants started walking and they surrounded his house.

1:16:46And they stood there for, forgot how long I think it was like three days. And it was kind of the elephant grieving process that they do. And, you know, how did the elephants know he died, but they went and they grieve for him. And the thing is the story doesn't end there the following year. And this one of five years. And the day of his death, the elephants would migrate and go to his house and pay their respects and then leave. And so when you think about telepathy and the animal kingdom. And we remember that we're animals. It's just it's not too far fetch that we can do this. Wow. Can I play you a song?

1:17:26Mm hmm. Okay. This relates to the podcast.

1:17:45It's not that easy being green. Having to spend each day the color of the leaves. When I think it could be nicer being red or yellow or gold or something much more colorful like that. It's not easy being green. It seems you blend in with so many other ordinary things. And people tend to pass you over because you're not standing out like flashy sparklers on the water. What stars in the sky. What green is the color of spring. And green can be cool and friendly light. And green can be big like an ocean or important like a mountain or a tall like a tree.

1:19:03When green is all there is to be. It could make you wonder why but why wonder why wonder. I am green and it'll do fine. It's beautiful and I think it's what I want to be.

1:19:35How does that song relate to the podcast. Yeah. So there was a young girl who lives in Wisconsin. Her name is Amelia. And when she first started spelling, she started writing a lot of poems that really showed that she was aware of what kids think about her. Sometimes the kind of ugly things that they might think or feel or fear they might be and she started explaining to her mom that she was lonely. And her mom said there was other things that would really illustrate that like she would listen to that song often and repeat. And it kind of became her theme song that is not easy being green. There was another kid who wrote songs telepathically.

1:20:21Yeah. Can you talk about that? Yeah. So there's a young man named Kyle and he lives in England. And he and his mom never learned to spell because they tell the faculty communicate through dreams and through just their minds. And she didn't know he had any music ability, but when he was about 20, she thought I'll take him to music therapy. That could be a cool thing to try out. So they do that. And he could play almost any instrument and not only that, but he could play almost any song and he had perfect pitch. And his mom was just so shocked. And so this became a thing, you know, the music would became a big part of his life.

1:21:03And then he started coming to her dreams and saying, Mom, I want you to help me write this song. And this is the music and these are the words and she'd wake up and do what best she could and he helps her get into a lucid dreaming. And when they're in this lucid dream, he'll tell her things. And he'd give her a whole nother bunch of lyrics or the music or the sound. And then she would write it right at all down and then usually the next day when he was fully awake too, she'd say was this right was this right. And then they said record in them. They go into a studio and she said in that moment too, like we know if we have it right because he'll start going and sometimes expanding and doing incredible things with the instrument he's playing.

1:21:39And other times if it's not right, he just kind of gets catatonic and it's no. You guys you don't have it right, you know, so. It's a remarkable thing to work almost in channeling music through someone else amazing. What is RPM. That's the rapid prompting method and that's one of the spelling to communicate methods that came after facilitated communication and that requires no touch. You point to letters. I remember you mentioned that the eyes go first and then the finger follows. Yeah, well, yeah, for the most part, I mean, it's interesting because just like I can type on my keyboard about looking I think there are plenty of spellers who eventually get to that point and some spellers have since season they'll say that they see a color.

1:22:24If they just hit the color, they'll do it right, you know, but they did a experiment. I believe that with Vikram Jossal, I think was his name at the University of Virginia and he did an experiment where he was watching what someone was spelling what he'd see where their eyes went first and the eyes would go to the letter followed by their hand and that's how he was able to prove intention. These individuals clearly know what they're spelling. I wonder if there's a way to build a technology where based on where the eyes go. If the words could get spelled that way instead of having a point seems like it would be.

1:23:00Much less of a chore for the spell. Absolutely. And I think they're working on that. I hope so. I for rumbling of that somewhere. I know that technology already exists. They use it in cars like tell if you're falling asleep when you're driving. And yeah, right. Do you think homeschooling curriculum for non speakers could be created so that this work could could travel outside of the institutions? Oh, for sure. I think it's just finding someone to do it right because often parents have to work or two parents have to work. You know, so it's hard to ask. I mean, just any parent who lives through COVID, like having to sometimes juggle a job and teaching your kid.

1:23:42It's nice of a break. I mean, it's just nice. Everyone needs a break, I think, right? And some parents are super heroes and could do it all. But maybe homeschooling work better. I know this has happened with quite a few cases where it's like a tutor comes to home or homeschool teacher. And we know that AI has been replacing a lot of jobs. So that would be a really cool job to equip a bunch of spelling homeschool teachers. Who is Marjorie Wallet. Yeah, so I think a bunch of scientists who are frustrated by the materials paradigm and have stumbled into something that has told them. It's incorrect.

1:24:19I have decided to kind of go and start their own academic academy and Marjorie Wallet caught at the present of the post materialist academy of the sciences where they understand that that the materialism would be incorrect. And one more scientist are kind of joining up on that cause every year. What is the Gansfeld telepathy experiment? The Gansfeld experiments, which really try to reduce sensory input in order to test ritual epithee. And typically for a Gansfeld experiment, you take like ping pong balls that are cut in half and you put them over your eyes. And you put a kind of a soft red light through them.

1:24:55You put white noise in your ears. You relax for 10, 15 minutes. And that will get you into a state where you're like a kind of heightened awareness state. And when they get people into that state. This is how the state they get most people into do tulip at the experiments. And they're showing someone in a different room, maybe, you know, a train car or a butterfly or whatever it is. And when people are in a Gansfeld state, they're more likely to be able to receive the tulip at the end in labs. I think they're accurate like 25, 33 % times something like that. But you can look on YouTube. People have done the Gansfeld experiment at home.

1:25:32And apparently it's pretty creepy. If you do it for a long time, people will say they see other places. They see other realms. They see other things. You get really cold. I've never done it. But it's something tense. After all the research you've done, have you come to organized world view of what you think is going on? Well, yeah, I mean, I would say how my world view has changed is that I do believe consciousness is fundamental. And it's the base of everything that wherever this consciousness resides, that baseline is that is more real than here. But there is something more real than here that this is this three -deal world.

1:26:11And we're here and we're learning stuff and creating stuff. But it's all going back into this consciousness field. And that consciousness survives the body. And I think, you know, a lot of scientists that I've been talking to, they all say at the end of the day, they think it's like a simulation theory. And but talking to a lot of the non speakers, spirituality is a big, big part of all of it. You know, they talk about God and the source and love and heaven. I mean, they talk about all these things from a universal point of view too. It's not, you know, denominational. But, you know, I bring this up in episode nine that if you think about what religion is, it's kind of the same as the simulation theory.

1:26:51It's just using different words, right? We were created by something. There is something more real than here that we will go to later. You know, that like we have these bodies, but that's not, it's an avatar. It's not the real you. The real you use like a soul inside of you. So, or, you know, a program or whatever. But like it's, it's the same. It's a lot of the same idea. It's just with different language. There was a phrase in one of the episodes. Feel into my heart. Do you remember that? Tell me about that. There's quite a few teachers who have been able to link up telepathically. And it's remarkable.

1:27:36And I feel like most of them are given some sort of directive right before it happens. And in this particular case, this teacher is told, feel into my heart. Like if you feel into my heart, you'll be able to connect. And we can do this. We can communicate this way. And I think that's a common theme is. You know, I guess it's getting your head and mindset and vibration to set to someone to tune to someone's heart. It's interesting that the choice is the heart and not mine because you think of mind reading. The heart's not involved in mind reading, but maybe it is. Yeah, I think it is. Yeah. Because I think the baseline of all this is love.

1:28:15And that's what the non speakers would say too is it like the telepathy. The things gifts don't work if there's not like a loving safe space. And love seems to be the through line. Tell me about communication with those who've passed. You know, John Paul is was featured in episode four and he has a girlfriend, Lily, that good friend Houston. And he dies and he continues to speak to his friends on the hill. But that's an epic story, I think in the project because people got to know John Paul. So it's like they know him before and after, but for so many non speakers, they're. Often reporting communicating with those who've passed on.

1:28:57It's not an isolated event. It's quite often that they'll say, Oh, well, Auntie is saying this and this great person. Grandma from India is saying this and I have this message to pass along and it's very detailed information about something they shouldn't know about. So this ability to communicate and link with and accurately convey messages from the other side is really widespread within this community. There was a phrase spirits in the room. What did that refer to? One of the teachers in the project. She said that the stuff that they once in the first thing she noticed it was spirits that one of her students came in and started saying there's spirits in their classroom.

1:29:39And then the next day another boy did another child did and then they were all talking about all these different spirits and who was there and what they wanted to convey. And then like, you know, she kind of sees different children and different people throughout the course of a few weeks. It's not like a school. It's like people have a time to go talk to her. And then the next week someone's like, you opened a portal. Why does he open a portal in here? And she is teachers like, what is going on? I mean, this was really weird for her for 15 years. She's worked with these kids and none of this has come out.

1:30:11And since that happened, then they started talking about remote viewing and telepathy and it's gotten more complex for her, not less. But the baseline was the spirits in the room. Tell me how belief plays into all of this. Well, you know, I feel this has been mocked and also noted throughout all of Si experiments and tests and stuff is that. We would agree you have to believe the non speakers and believe in their gifts for them to appear. I don't know if that's always the case and not with every individual, but certainly so many of the individuals who start showing this lap at the air said that my parents finally ready to hear it.

1:30:53Or they were ready to accept it. And which makes you think like they know if they're reading their minds whether or not they believe them or would believe them. And it's got it, it's humiliating. We can tell someone something and they don't believe you. Right. Or if someone's out to get you or prove you wrong. So belief helps. And I think we know this to be true. It's not some booby booby thing. We believe in the placebo effect. We know that if you believe something, it's more likely to help something happen. And efficacy and belief is important in our human experience. And it's really important when it comes to these abilities.

1:31:26Makes sense also in quantum physics when something is seen, it performs differently than when it's not seen. So in a way, belief is like being seen. If you don't believe something, you're not really open to seeing it. Right. Then it can't happen. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. How is telling a story in a podcast different than doing it in a documentary film? Well, I mean, it's a little easier actually because you don't have to be worrying about the visual that we step away and you can jump in as a narrator, which is like amazing that you can do that and fill in some blanks. So in those ways, I really enjoyed it.

1:32:08What I was not expecting. I mean, I was so devastated when I pitched this as a four part series and didn't get picked up. I would thought this was like the most important news in the world, you know. And the podcast to me was like, oh, it's like what? This is how I have to get it out there. So I don't let down the families and like, you know, I was afraid of like dying a car crash and that this information, which is like never get out there. So I just did the podcast. It's like a Hail Mary. And the thing that's kind of neat about it though, I think there's an intimate way that people receive podcasts.

1:32:37And I found watching a movie or something or a document on play and you're busy or being interrupted or you're with your spouse or kids or whatever. You're not couch and you're eating and there's this and that, you know, all sorts of stuff. And it's like, if the podcast it's like you're often on a walk or you're driving. Yeah. And you're alone. And you're alone with your thoughts and you're intimately like speaking to someone. And I do wonder, of course, now I think the non speakers have a hand in our evening. You know, it's like it was always intended to become a podcast first because intimately, you can get this information into people when they're most able to hear it.

1:33:14Whereas with a movie, you can just toss aside and next next next next, you know. So I do think there's like an intimate quality to this that I didn't know that this medium could touch people in such a way and a boy can it.

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