In short
Neil Young discusses making a new album that blends brand-new songs with previously written, unheard songs from the 1960s, plus his “Archive” project, ranch life, and songwriting methods. He also touches on love, aging, political climate, and music influences.
Guests
This episode appears to be a solo interview with Neil Young (no other named guest). The host is “Rick” (referred to throughout), but no guest musician or co-host is identified.
Key claims
- He wrote new lyrics in Colorado “towards the full moon,” then recorded at Shangri-La in Malibu starting March 1; four songs were recorded day one, the second day finished the second song, and he ran out of new songs.
- He later revived two older songs from 1963–65 (“Casting Me Away From You,” “I’ll Love You Forever”) and added them to the album, making it cohesive.
- He says songs arrive when he stops trying to force writing.
- His Archive project began in the 1990s and will be 10+ boxes, chronological, totaling 30–36 CDs (and 46–50 overall).
Notable examples
- “Casting Me Away From You” rehearsed with his first band, the Squires, in Toronto; recorded again in an attic with friend Comrie Smith.
- “I’ll Love You Forever” written for Pam Smith; recorded with a disc jockey (“Ray D”) at a venue in Fort William, Ontario.
- “Day by Day” linked to Daryl (he says she’s “throughout it”).
- “Soon I Might Be Going” described as a change song; Daryl cried when he first played it.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORemembering Elliot
0:03 to 1:18
Neil Young reflects on his friendship with Elliot, the importance of their bond, and how they collaborated.
“I met him when I was in Buffalo Springfield.”
Inspiration for the New Album
1:18 to 2:41
Neil discusses how he reconnected with music and the writing process for his new album.
“but i got him here he's with us yeah tell me about the new album what was the first thing that happened that led to this new album?”
Reviving Old Songs
2:41 to 4:10
Neil shares memories of two songs he wrote decades ago and their incorporation into his new record.
“So, so then I started thinking, I told the guys, I said, well, just let me go to sleep and wake up and we'll see what happens.”
Recording the New Album
4:10 to 13:05
Neil outlines the recording process of his new album, highlighting the unique blend of old and new songs.
“It's incredible that these songs you wrote so long ago found their way to the new record.”
The Creative Process
13:05 to 14:01
Neil explains how songwriting occurs unexpectedly and his approach to capturing melodies.
“So I had two more songs, and that made, I think, seven songs total.”
Songwriting Process Insights
14:01 to 18:06
Neil Young shares his unique songwriting process and the moments of inspiration.
“If I'm thinking about writing songs, nothing's going to happen.”
The Archive Project
18:12 to 20:34
Neil discusses his extensive archive project and musical journey throughout the years.
“Tell me about the whole archive project.”
Leaving the Ranch: A Personal Journey
20:34 to 24:25
Neil reflects on the emotions and decisions surrounding leaving his long-time home.
“And there's so much stuff in it that I really love.”
A New Chapter in Life
24:25 to 27:42
Neil recounts his journey to Los Angeles and his developing relationship with Daryl.
“But I had to do that to keep moving forward because I was getting stuck and mired in things that I didn't want to spend all my time in.”
Personal Reflections in Music
27:42 to 28:00
Neil discusses the personal nature of his new song, 'Day by Day', and its significance.
“I'm guessing if it's a new song, maybe it's about Daryl.”
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Reflections on a Song's Meaning
28:00 to 35:11
A deep dive into the emotions and thoughts behind a song's lyrics.
“I want to say something that came to me in the night of death.”
Exploring Earth Girl and Songwriting Process
36:56 to 42:05
Neil Young discusses his songwriting process and the inspiration behind 'Earth Girl'.
“When the love comes through your eyes, like sun from the summer skies.”
Exploring the Song 'Foggy Edge'
42:05 to 45:46
Neil Young reflects on the themes and emotions of his song 'Foggy Edge'.
Nostalgia and Family Memories
45:46 to 49:55
Neil Young shares memories of family, childhood, and the changing times.
“But second song is like, it's like in my life, this is my second song.”
The Personal Connection to His Music
49:55 to 56:39
Neil Young discusses the personal nature of his songs and their origins.
“Make it up on another day, baby, I don't care.”
Exploring 'Soon I Might Be Going'
56:50 to 59:20
Neil Young discusses the emotional depth and themes of his song.
“When I first played that for Daryl, she cried.”
The Evolution of Neil's Music
59:20 to 1:07:20
Young reflects on the positive energy in his music despite its sadness.
“People like you and me are feeling different every day.”
Memories of Winnipeg's Music Scene
1:07:20 to 1:09:58
Neil shares anecdotes from his early music days in Winnipeg.
“Back in the beginning, I used to go with to this record department in a hardware store in Toronto.”
Understanding Lectio Divina
1:09:58 to 1:11:45
A deep dive into the practice of Lectio Divina and its significance.
“For centuries, this repetition has been used to stay close to wisdom, not by studying words as information, but by receiving them as something lived and experienced over and over again.”
Favorite Guitar Players and Inspirations
1:11:58 to 1:17:01
Neil Young reflects on his favorite guitar players and their influences.
“Who would you say your favorite guitar players have been over the course of your life, if you think back from different eras?”
Memories of Houses and Fires
1:17:01 to 1:20:50
Neil shares stories of his homes and the impact of a devastating fire.
“and then they wouldn't come out, and then maybe later you would come back to them or try it again?”
The Making of 'After the Gold Rush'
1:20:50 to 1:23:31
Neil discusses the creation of his iconic album and the people involved.
“And anyway, the second place I lived, F.”
Reflections on Music and Change
1:23:31 to 1:24:00
Neil concludes with insights on the evolution of his music and its themes.
“Tell me about the story of After the Gold Rush.”
Recording 'After the Gold Rush'
1:24:00 to 1:26:27
Neil Young discusses the creation and recording process of his album 'After the Gold Rush'.
“Those two are like 60 years apart or something.”
Nils Lofgren's Musical Journey
1:26:27 to 1:28:56
Neil reflects on Nils Lofgren's contributions and the essence of musical collaboration.
“It didn't matter what instrument he played.”
The Evolution of Neil's Music
1:28:56 to 1:32:01
Neil shares insights on how his relationship with music has changed over his career.
“And I've been into them pretty much since then, on and off.”
Exploring Tetragrammaton
1:33:25 to 1:33:39
Discussion about the diverse topics covered by Tetragrammaton.
“Upon entering, experience the artwork of the day.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02Tetragrammaton.
0:24Elliot was so great. He was just amazing. He was like a great friend. I met him when I was in Buffalo Springfield. He was with Joni, and we wanted him to manage us, and he wanted to manage us. But then the group broke up, and I told him he had to manage me. So that's how we came together, and then he's just been my best friend for all those years. Fantastic. Somebody to talk to all the time about everything. did you talk to him every day oh yeah yeah no i was terrible with him i always talk to him every day and i'd be yelling and screaming about shit and then you know he was a good listener though i felt like he was able to digest that information well absolutely man he was so great i miss him but i got him here he's with us yeah tell me about the new album what was the first thing that happened that led to this new album?
1:27I was just kind of in Colorado in January and February of this year, and I just started to feel the music again towards the full moon. And I started thinking about music, and then I started to write things. I wrote a bunch of little notes and titles and things. Then it just started coming really fast. And I used to wake up in the morning and write the words to the songs. I had a few melodies in my head. So I just started writing and I just couldn't stop. And the words really were coming fast. So I just wrote them all down. And then I went right to Shangri-La, your studio in Malibu, on March 1st.
2:16And I moved in there. And March 1st, I think was our first or maybe the second was the full moon. So after writing these during the full moon, I moved right into the studio and it was the full moon and we recorded, I had five songs and we recorded four of them the first day. Wow. And the second day we recorded the second song and that was it. I was out of songs. So, so then I started thinking, I told the guys, I said, well, just let me go to sleep and wake up and we'll see what happens. Maybe I'll have another song or something, and we'll figure out what to do next. So the next day I woke up, sitting around having a cup of coffee, and I just started playing these songs.
3:05One song that I had written back in 1964 or 65, it was on the archive somewhere, and I remembered it, and I started playing it. It was called Casting Me Away From You. And it was a song that I remembered rehearsing with the Squires, which was my first band. We had moved to Toronto from Winnipeg. And I was rehearsing in the lobby of a theater that my dad had set up for us. So we set up our equipment in the lobby every day because the theater didn't have anything going on in it. And so we were in the lobby playing, and that's where we played Casting Me Away From You. And then I did, somewhere along that time, I had a friend named Comrie Smith.
3:53It was a guy I went to school with. Since I was back in Toronto, I was revisiting my old school friends. So I went to his house, and we recorded Casting Me Away From You in his attic. And it's in the archives somewhere back in the 60s, so it would be in volume one somewhere. It's incredible that these songs you wrote so long ago found their way to the new record.
4:40And stormy weather But now I find You're leaving me behind Casting me away from you I try to tell myself It doesn't matter I can find someone You treat me better But now I find You're leaving me behind Casting me away from you You're not the kind of girl I dream of You're not the kind of girl who'd care You're not the kind of girl I want for my own But then I see you standing there
6:07I try to tell myself it doesn't matter. I can find someone who'll treat me better. But now I find you're leaving me behind, casting me away from you. But now I find you You're leaving me behind Casting me away from you So I remembered that one, and then I remembered this other one that was from 1963. So these are 60-year-old songs. Oh, here's a couple. So, yeah, it was called I'll Love You Forever. And I wrote it about my girlfriend, Pam Smith. She was a lovely young lady who I knew in high school. And we went to different schools. And then we got together at this place called Falcon Lake where I was visiting in the summer and sleeping in a tent.
7:28That was cool. There's a picture around here somewhere of me and Jack in our tent, Jack Harbour, the drummer in the Squires. Anyway, I just, I remembered that song. And when I first left home and we were playing in a place called Fort William, Ontario, I was playing there in a place called the, I think it was called the Fourth Dimension. I was playing. and oh yeah we rent this disc jockey there his name was ray d so radio you know we were so inventive back in the 60s so yeah ray ray and i and and the guys went into to the radio station and recorded a song called i'll love you forever that i wrote for pam but But by then, of course, she was in the past.
8:21I'd already left Winnipeg, and I was on my way to Toronto. Hadn't gotten to Toronto yet. So there we were. We recorded that one. And that's in there somewhere back in the archives way back, 1963 or something. But the version we're about to hear is from the new record. Yeah.
8:50As I walk beside the sea on the golden sand, I can feel your love for me as I hold your hand. Oh, I'm so happy That I found your love And I will always thank The stars up above
9:35You're just the kind of girl That I wanted you to be And I'll thank the heavens above For sending you to me Oh, I'm so happy I found your love And I will always thank The stars up above I'll love you forever And I'd alive The way you comb your hair You're laughing at
10:40The breeze from the Tarsian Sea Is reminding me That I'll feel a touch of your lips For eternity Oh, I'm so happy I found your love And I will always thank The stars up above I'll love you forever And I delight And I The way you comb your hair Your laughing eyes Your laughing eyes Your laughing eyes
11:50Your laughing eyes The breeze from the tossing sea Is reminding me That I'll feel the touch of your lips For eternity Oh, I'm so happy I found your love And I will always thank The stars up above The stars above The stars above Your laughing eye Your laughing eye
13:03So that's where that one came from. So I had two more songs, and that made, I think, seven songs total. But there were a lot of long songs in the first group. The group of five new ones had three long songs for acoustic. because there was no big instrumentals or anything, a little harmonica or something. Yeah, I had those ones. So there I had the seven songs. I recorded them, and I said, that's it. We don't need to pretend that we need more. I mean, listen to this. There's a lot of stuff here. What's shocking about this is I listened to the album today. I would have never imagined that two of the songs are from 60 years ago and the others are brand new.
13:46They sound like songs that have just always been in the air. yeah yeah they're all the same that way they're all just a bunch of they just hang together there's always really lucky to have those songs and have them come along and that's the way now i have to wait for a while to clear my head completely before i can do anything else because yeah but that won't take long they're starting this other songs are starting to come now so does it happen that way where you're not thinking about writing songs then all of a sudden it just happens? Yeah. If I'm thinking about writing songs, nothing's going to happen.
14:21But if I forget about it, they'll start showing up. And you said that you started with writing the words. Did you work them out on the guitar first or were you just working in your head on lyrics? It's hard. I can never figure out which comes first. You know, I was playing a few melodies here, just a couple of things. And I play a couple of chords and I got my method now. It's a little different. I use a cassette player an old cassette player and i i turn it on and i play a little bit into that when i first start writing anything when i first have a melody i'll turn on the cassette player and i'll just play it as i kind of find it then i turn the cassette off and that's it that's all i ever listened to so i'm back there where it first showed up when i listened to it and then it's in my head and then pretty soon the lyrics just start coming from everywhere.
15:13Do you think the reason you came back was because somewhere you knew that they fit with the others? Boy, I don't know, man. They just came back. Yeah. I said to the guys, I said, well, I don't have any right now, but maybe I will tomorrow. Maybe they'll show up. I wasn't thinking about old songs. This is the first time I've ever written an album that's got new songs and songs 60 years old that really these songs had never been heard by anybody. None of them have. So there's a few people, if you're a real archives junkie, they'll get in there and they'll hear these. And now people that know the archives will be looking for them.
15:55And they'll see them and they'll hear them and then they'll hear the way we did it with the Chrome Hearts. And they're really like the same thing.
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18:23Tell me about the whole archive project. Yeah, I think I started it back in the 90s, somewhere back there. Yeah, I could look it up, but it's easier to just kind of drift around in my head. I just started going like, I've got everything, but it's all over the place. I want to put this thing together and make a thing. And see this, those are three boxes. we're making the fourth one now and probably going to be five or six of them. I'm not sure. Maybe five. I thought I'd be done at four. So that's why we made it like that. So you could have, you know, Neil Young and it all spelled out and each box had my name, part of my name on it.
19:09And then you put the boxes together. If you put it on the shelf, you can see my name and that's my stuff. Is it songs with all of the different bands and everyone you've played with from the beginning till now? Yeah. It's everything. Yeah. There's between 10 and 12 discs. At first, I was used to Blu-ray discs for volume one because I wanted iRes. Yeah. And then Blu-ray disappeared, kind of. Nobody had Blu-ray, so. I went to CDs, and it's too bad that it's not vinyl. It'd be ridiculous. That'd really be a lot of boxes. So it's 10 to 12 in each of the three? Yeah. So it's between 30 and 36 CDs. Yeah, and it'll be between 46 and 50.
20:00And this next one, I'm not sure how this is going to work out. And is everything chronological? Yes. That's what holds it together. I keep it all chronological, then I have no decisions to make. One less thing to think about. You're not kidding. So it's great. Yeah, I love doing it. And it's a lot of fun. I really want to finish the whole thing. And so it kind of gives me a mission, you know? Yeah. I hope that they end up being 10 boxes so that it keeps you busy for a while. Me too. That'd be great. I really think so. And there's so much stuff in it that I really love. There's an album in there with Booker T and the MGs.
20:43It's got Duck Dunn and Steve Cropper, Booker T, and Jimmy Keltner. so I got these great musicians playing with me, and I just basically did all the songs that were in my head at the time, and some of them were classics and some of them were new. So that's one of the records that's in there. That's one of the discs. There's some beautiful stuff in there. When you're working on the archive and you hear something that you recorded 30 or 50 years ago, do you remember everything, or do some of them hit you like, where's this from? Oh, I usually remember where they come from because they're organized in discs.
21:24You know, they're organized in periods of time and albums. So I'm just cruising along through it. But now I've got everything in order in the archives. Even if there's no disc or there's no box, it all goes right up to the last record I put out. And this record, we're just finishing putting it in the archives now. So Second Song is just going in there. Do you know what album Second Song is in your catalog?
21:53no it's a lot it's up there it's a lot it's quite an album yeah i like that one especially today there's you know so much to write about i mean look at bruce has really gotten into the political thing and he's he's written a lot of great songs and he's really on it and i'm really involved in all that stuff but that's the last thing i want to write about yeah i want to go somewhere else I want to escape from all that. And Bruce covered it great. I mean, I have a lot of things that I write about the situation we're in because it's such an unbelievable situation, how the hell we got here. But we're going to get out of it.
22:33We are definitely getting out of this. Tell me about Out on the Foggy Edge. Out on the Foggy Edge is the day I left the ranch. That was about somewhere 13 years ago or something. I'd been living there for many, many years, like 35 or 40 years. And it was a sad time. I was leaving, and I just had to get out of there because things had just gone south like they do in some relationships. And we had just a huge disturbance in the flow that we had. But we had great kids, and that was nice. So I just decided, hey, I'm either probably going to die here, and it's not going to be fun, or I'm going to go somewhere else and we'll see what happens.
23:20I was almost 70 years old when I left. I was 68 or something. It was your home for a long time and it really was your home. It wasn't just a house. It was a very particular place. I loved that place and I built it. There was an old cabin there and I built my house on top of the cabin and we just kept going and I built a recording studio. I bought land around there. I built a place for my trains to be in because I love electric trains. I put them there. We had other houses that were part of it. And the guys would come and stay in one of the houses called the White House. They'd stay in the White House and we recorded at the ranch.
24:02And they had a nice analog situation happening there. And it was a beautiful thing. I loved it. It was fantastic. But there just came a time. It was time to leave. Yeah. You know how life is. So I left. It was very difficult because I built this whole thing, everything there, and then I just left it. That was a trip. But I had to do that to keep moving forward because I was getting stuck and mired in things that I didn't want to spend all my time in. Did you feel welcome in the new world out of your bubble? So, well, when I left, I really didn't know where I was going. And I recently met Daryl when I was doing a movie up in Canada about the oil and all of the bad stuff that was happening up there.
24:58So it's just the world and oil and things are getting upset. As far as I could tell, I just wanted to write about that. And I went up there. And it's funny because I'd reached out to Daryl a long time before that because she was the only other person I knew that was into biodiesel. So she had biodiesel Trans Am that she had converted that was running on alcohol and biodiesel and some kind of combination of fuel. I mean, she was really a genius trying to make a clean car and a cool car. And I was really into that. At the same time, I was trying to make my old Lincoln into an electric car so that I could use it.
25:43And I used a biofuel generator in the Lincoln. So I called her and we talked a little bit. And then, you know, years won't bother. And then when I was doing this film and I was traveling around in the Lincoln, I was going to just telling the story of what it's like to try to make an old electric car with a generator that runs on bio. And so I called her and we talked a little and she met us out there somewhere in Colorado and we tripped up to Canada and went up there. I mean, she's just really cool. And we were really good friends, but we didn't know each other that well, but we know each other pretty well.
26:26It was not like a romantic thing, but we just had such a good time and we had so much in common. so we were just thinking about the same things and talking about them and and all of that so so when I left the ranch I called her and I said listen I'm I'm leaving my home where I used to be and I'm coming down to LA where I used to be before that and uh do you know anywhere or is there someone just put me up for just you know in a subtle way for a couple of weeks till I get my stuff together, you know. She said, yeah, yeah, I know a funky old place that you could stay. It's pretty funky. It's not like a big deal.
27:12So I went down there, and I drove down there that day and got there and found her place, which is this funky place that she just described. It was a beautiful place. And then I just stayed. I never loved. amazing yeah now we got to know each other and fell in love and eventually got married and you know that's that's life it's a trip you never know what's going to happen the second song on the album is called day by day and it sounds like a very personal love song you say in the song you're scared about what you're talking about in the song it's in the lyrics It's almost like it's too personal to talk about.
27:56I'm guessing if it's a new song, maybe it's about Daryl. Yeah. Day after day after day.
28:23This isn't a fast song, so fade it up.
28:31I want to say something that came to me in the night of death.
28:40Just let me get a grip and let it go.
28:48There's nothing worth waiting on So we should go
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28:57Day after day after day Day after day after day
29:16All through the restless night I thought of this
29:24Why we were not so good and now I know
29:33There's something I want to say and say it slow
29:41I'm a little scared of it, so here it goes.
29:50Day after day after day.
29:59Day after day after day.
30:08The morning is sunny now with lots of snow
30:17It's beautiful the way we love to see it so
30:25I take my time to tell you what I have to say
30:33The feelings that I have for you will stay and stay Day after day after day
30:51Day after day after day
31:00The love I feel in my heart is here today
31:09Strong just the way I felt for you yesterday
31:17There's something in my heart that shows It will always love you so Day after day after day
31:35Day after day after day Day after day after day
31:53So let's take a turn together and let it go
32:02We're still the ones we used to be And so it shows
32:11The way I feel so fade it up And let it come free Day after day after day Day after day after day I hope you're alright, alright today
32:46And everything is easy and going well.
32:55There was a struggling going on yesterday.
33:03Let's try to get a grip now and let it go.
33:13Day after day after day Day after day after day
33:30Now the sun is out and the snow's melting on the moon
33:39I hear the water drops long So the day's here
33:48You'll be coming down the stairs And I'll make a special cup for you Yeah, the sun is out Snow's melting on the room
34:05Day after day after day
34:14Day after day after day
34:24Day after day after day
34:32Day after day After day
34:41Day after day Day after day After day
35:06Yeah, it's a lot of words in that song. We're going to make a video of that next, I think. Nice. Yeah, no, she's throughout it. She's all over it.
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36:54Then the next one is Earth Girl, which is another love song and really beautiful. And that has like a 1920s flavor.
37:11When the love comes through your eyes, like sun from the summer skies. The space between your deepest thoughts, like stars in the night, big stars in the night. Winter winds blowing through your hair, in your eyes I don't see a care. You are the light of my life, like a river that floats right through my heart.
37:58Earth Girl Earth Girl
38:17You sure were hard to find All around me all the time Smiling in the windy rain With so much to share So much to share where the beauty that lingers Outside my eyes When you smile, when you smile, when you smile
38:54Earth girl Earth girl
39:05You are the light of my life Like a river that flows right through my heart
39:23You were hard to find All around me all the time You're the beauty that lingers outside my heart When you smile, my eyes when you smile When the tears flow through your eyes Like rain from the winter skies You are the light of my life Like a river that flows right through my heart Earth girl Earth girl Earth girl
40:18You are the light of my life Like a river that flows right through my heart It's weird, isn't it? Yeah. Did you ever listen to music like that, like 1920s or show tunes? I listen to all music. It just came to me in a way. I just kept hearing this melody, and I could hear the melody, and I could play it. And then it was like two melodies at once. And I'm going, well, wait, one of them has got slow words and the other one's got a lot of words and a lot of changes. But they happen on the same chords. So I put the two together so you can almost hear two songs at once in there. That's why it might be one of the most complex songs that I've ever written.
41:03I don't know how I did that, but there it is. I love that one. It's a beauty. Yeah, I really do love that song. And then was Second Song the second song you wrote of this group of songs? No, I don't know what it was. I don't know why I called it the second song. I think it's because it might have been the second song I wrote of this group. The first one was Foggy Edge of Time. As I remember playing the piano and hearing these just two changes going back and forth. and then the melody came and then the words came and everything happened. That was good.
41:57Out on the foggy edge of time
42:05I was flying low into my prime I was looking back, not looking good When I left my old neighborhood behind
42:31I thought about the early days
42:41When I was young and found that place
42:51Three beautiful children born and raised But there were bumps along the way
43:15Alcohol, alcohol, alcohol
43:24Alcohol, alcohol, alcohol, alcohol, alcohol. I was heading south to my destiny.
43:42As I closed the gate, I threw the key.
43:53Though the future was unsure
44:02I'd already made up my mind
44:12That's the day I started to live The way I wanted to Just to give my life a chance I know now that I had to go
44:47Leave everything I love behind
44:57Out on the foggy edge of time
45:07Out on the foggy edge of time
45:17Out on the foggy edge of time Out on the foggy edge of time
45:45I love that song, Foggy Edge. But second song is like, it's like in my life, this is my second song.
46:10Out on the edge of darkness The children waited for sunrise
46:26Something they could be leaving Something to see with their own eyes
46:42Their moms and dads remember Cause they had seen a different time
46:58A time of sunny mornings Walking to school and saving times
47:19And yet the leaves are falling Gathered in piles to burn outside
47:36Somehow the smoke is calling Somehow the embers will decide
47:53That's not the way of being It's not the way of being now
48:08Too much has changed around us But we can bring it back somehow
48:26guitar solo
48:49Someone who smiles and answers back
49:01Someone as old as I am Who still remembers some of that
49:17I dream a way of living A way of sharing what we find A way of walking slow Through the smoky leaves of time
49:55Across town at the incubate Inks were hatching everywhere
50:11Those birds would soon be flying They knew that's when they'd feel the air
50:27We won't remember them Cause we're the ones who didn't care
50:44Now when we think of them We hear their songs sung everywhere
51:05The world needs all her songbirds She needs her music in the sky
51:21Guiding souls both in and out Showing weakness how to fly
51:37Not like that TV show Not like the words on Channel 5
51:54Something that makes you smile Something that makes you fly
52:32Make it up on another day Maybe I don't care Make it up on another day Maybe I don't care
53:05Make it up on another day, baby, I don't care. Make it up on another day, baby, I don't care.
53:25Definitely yearning for a simpler life. Yeah, yeah. It's funny, you know, Rick, when I think of these songs, and I try to think of them, I have a feeling, but I can't specifically remember the songs. It's just a big feeling. And it was cool to have that. And in a way, it sounded like something I wrote in 1970 or something, When I bought Broken Arrow Ranch in 1970 and arrived there in September, and I drove there with my friends, Bruce Berry and Guillermo Giacchetti, two of the roadies that work with me, and Johnny Barbada, I think, too. And I drove up there from the Chateau Marmont, where I was staying in L.A., in this old Jeepster.
54:15And the Jeepster, that's the car that we're in when we're driving down that road in Second Song. It's the same. And then the next video is Casting Me Away. And it's the Jeepster again. But it was 20 years earlier than the first song. It was 1972 or something or 71, and I was cruising along in the Jeepster, and we're listening to this song, Casting Me, Me, and Carrie rides by on a horse. Carrie Snodgrass is Zeke's mom, and she rides by on a horse, and she's galloping along in front of me on the road. It's a fantastic video. It's just they're all really personal. It has nothing to do with we're not trying to be cool or anything.
55:04It's just what it is. But it was fun. We're having a great time doing these videos because I got people's videos from years ago that I'm using. But the songs are new. It's crazy.
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56:49The next song after that is Soon I Might Be Going. Tell me about that one. Oh, yeah. When I first played that for Daryl, she cried. So I didn't want to play it for her anymore because I didn't like to hear it. I didn't like to see that. It's a song about change.
57:33Soon I might be gone So I wanted you to know It was Christmas in the rocks Just like summer with no snow Crimson violet was showing at the movies A new one you should see Water shot like diamonds And the ships kept rolling on the sea The answer to our questions is lingering in the mist and the revolutions come like a fighter with a fist
58:44Soon I might be gone So I wanted you to know Sun's sure hot today in Canada Wherever people go They're looking at the sky Like they're waiting for a change The clouds that used to pour the rain are billowy and strange. Yeah, that's the way I see it. And I want it just to say. People like you and me are feeling different every day.
59:55The president was on TV Says everything is golden He's tearing down the old White House Those days were never rolling The bears are trying to hibernate But can't find where to go Cause everything is different now Just like a TV show We have to take it as it comes As some are like to say But you know it seems to me That's not what's right today
1:01:06I miss you like tomorrow And I see you like today I wanted to say something Before I go away I went to town the other day And saw what it's become The houses are all going down With hotels all around People are driving their new cars And the kids are leaving town Shopping is everywhere And the club is shutting down
1:02:17Soon I might be gone And I wanted just to say If I'm not here to see it Doesn't mean it's gone away I'll try to make it simple But I tell you it's not Cause here and there and everywhere The truth is getting caught And disguise like a celebration Waiting for a song But no one knows the melody And it feels like it was strong When we all sang together And the children sang along
1:03:24electric guitar solo
1:03:37Yes, soon I will be gone But I wanted just to stay around See what I can do To sing a happy song today With you and you and everyone Who feels the melody Echoing in the hallways And soon to be a dream
1:04:23guitar solo
1:04:39the old street where we once had the time. I gotta tell you what I see, cause I might be alone. The sky is turning to yesterday, the old church bells toll, soon I might be going, and I wanted to say hello. There's a mystery around us And the answer no one knows
1:05:35It's like summer in the Rockies But it's almost Christmas day Summer in the Rockies Almost Christmas day Summer in the Rockies
1:06:01Summer in the Rockies
1:06:17Yeah, it's a pretty sad song, but it also has some, all of these songs, even though there's some sad moments in them, there's a lot of them that have uplifting parts. Inside it, there's a good positive energy. It's moving forward, you know. That's what I like about it. And I'll say that even if you look at your songs from your 20s, there's a lot of sad songs it's not like sad songs that are a new thing for you oh no they're all over the place yeah but these ones have got a certain positive vibe to them but even though they're like songs from the 70s or 80s or whatever in a lot of ways it's just kind of songs that people apparently really remember me for because what people are writing it's like it's freaking me out to see what they're, while they're reacting.
1:07:06It's great. It's nice to feel that I've touched a lot of people. So you can't make a plan for all that stuff. It just happens. Yeah. Well, I was thankful to be here and still doing it. Tell me about Roy Orbison. Oh, Roy, he was amazing. He was one of my favorites. Back in the beginning, I used to go with to this record department in a hardware store in Toronto. I used to go there, and they had 45s, and I'd go through it, and that's when I first heard Roy. I'd heard something he did, Only the Lonely or something like that. He was amazing. So I checked out all his 45s. Fantastic. Tell me about the scene in Winnipeg when you were coming up, when you were first playing with the Squires.
1:07:58Well, I was in high school. We started playing in high school dances and stuff, you know. There's some pictures in the archives of the band back there. You have an ascot and, you know, dressed as three of us. Yeah, so we played high schools and community clubs and gigs like that for a couple of years. And just the first time we got paid, we got 20 bucks for the whole band and for everything. And that was great. We felt, oh, they're paying us to do this. I mean, hell, this is fantastic. And then we just kept on doing it. When you went to school, were all the kids in bands or was it kind of an unusual thing at the time?
1:08:38Well, it was kind of unusual, but there were a lot of bands in Winnipeg. Winnipeg is a very musical place. My friend, Randy Backman, he had a great band that he was in with a guy called Alan Coble called Alan and the Silvertones. And it later became the Guess Who? Was Burton Cummings joining the group? Burton Cummings used to be in a group called the Deverons before the Guess Who. And oh my God, there were just so many bands. It was amazing. You know, our band was, we weren't a big band in town. I mean, we were maybe the 10th band or something. The Silvertones were probably the number one band.
1:09:19And the Deverons were maybe three or four. Rotated around, following each other everywhere. I played on the back of some trucks and parking lots and stuff like that. Yeah, that was fun. We had a good time. It sounds great. It does. He's a very lucky man.
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1:11:58Who would you say your favorite guitar players have been over the course of your life, if you think back from different eras? Hank Marvin. He was from the Shadows, lead guitar player in the Shadows. Jimmy Reed. Yep. my all-time favorite guitar players and harmonica players. Jimmy was a big influence on me. I had a Seabreeze record player, my mom's record player, and I had Jimmy Reed records, and I'd come home for lunch from school and put on Jimmy Reed and listen to Jimmy Reed while I was eating lunch through the whole lunch period and then go back to school. So what I really learned was Jimmy Reed.
1:12:38I didn't learn anything at school. Worked out. yeah it worked out okay yeah what a great musician jimmy ree oh my god and i love randy randy is a great guitar player i love the way he played and i actually i copied him or was influenced by him a lot i even got a guitar like his i orange gretch that i used in the springfield and I had one in the Squires and I sold it and then I got it back recently. So that was a trip. How'd you get it back? Well, this guy online said that he could find it. He said, if you have pictures of it, I'll be able to find it. Because it's a gretch and it's made out of wood.
1:13:25And the wood you can see. You can see the grain and the wood. There's no duplication there. They're all different. I found a picture of one that was in exactly mine. Wow. And I got it. And, you know, I bought it. And when you play it, does it feel like your guitar? Yeah, it feels pretty cool. It's great. It's wild. I haven't used it much. I love old black so much. I just keep playing old black. But the orange scratch is there. I got this white Falcon that I really like and a couple of guitars. but this weird thing happened just thinking this is off the track. I was listening to a prototype for Neil Young Radio that's going to be on my website that plays music for my whole life from the archives, everything I have, all the time.
1:14:21And it plays it like a real radio station. Whoever's listening to the radio station, that's what they hear. Everybody hears the same thing. Yeah. But it keeps randomly selecting songs from 60 or 70 years, you know. And it keeps changing. So the first time I listened to it, I got a link to listen to what it was going to sound like, how it was going to work. And I was listening away. And right away, I hear this thing. I've never heard it before. I'm going, where did this come from? and it's a song change your mind that i put out in the 90s i guess but i'm playing it i'm playing it on old black which i didn't do on the record and it sounds like an earlier recording of it and i'm listening to this i'm going wow this is a trip the instrumental was like eight minutes and then the first verse happened and then it ended and i went wait a minute that was the last verse.
1:15:18So this recording started halfway through the version we were doing or something happened, I don't know. And we haven't been able to find the recording. You only heard it because it was selected randomly from everything I did. Wow. And we are looking and looking and looking, trying to find this recording. It's the coolest recording of that song I've ever heard. it wasn't complete but it was great and anyway that was a real that's kind of a distraction i've been dealing with for the last four days no that sounds great though and i love that you can have that experience even with your own songs to hear a version that's not familiar and be surprised by it and love it yeah yeah i kind of remember it when i hear it yeah i go yeah it's not like the record but it is it sounds like it's done in the studio because i can hear ralph and Billy singing and it's everybody singing and playing live like crazy horse does, but it's a studio.
1:16:19There's no audience, either that, or it sounds great for an audience. No, no audience live recording. My guess is it was a studio recording. So we're looking for it. We've been looking all over the place. I can't find it anywhere, but it's from 1993, I think probably one of the first versions. probably not done where I did the record of Change Your Mind, which is at the Complex in L.A. Sleeps with Angels, I think, was the last album that I did with Briggs before he passed. Anyway, what a trip. I'm going to find that thing. I'm looking for it. How often would you record songs in the studio, and then they wouldn't come out, and then maybe later you would come back to them or try it again?
1:17:09Not that often, but occasionally. I think this was one of the first times I played it and I was just jamming, having a good time on changes. Then I did a verse and then it was over. Wait, it's the last verse. Wait a minute. Where did the song start from? And then right away, when I went back to listen to it, the radio had changed to a new random bunch of songs chosen from everything that I have. So we haven't been able to find it, even though the computer found it. something about hearing music randomly there's a really cool thing about it it's different than deciding what you're going to hear and putting it on because you really can get surprised yeah yeah it's amazing i love it you're very lucky you've been able to do this for so long yeah tell me the first time you played with stills stills i played with stills in uh fort william Ontario in 1963.
1:18:07About the same time I recorded I'll Love You Forever. Stills was playing in the club The Fourth Dimension, where we played on Saturday afternoons. He was in the headlining band from New York called The Company. They played at night, and so I met him, and we got to know each other, and we hung out, and that's when it started. How would you describe the similarities and differences in the way you guys play? Well, Stephen is actually a better player. He's got a lot of chops. He's got a lot of things he can do. I'm kind of sloppy, but I have a feeling. But we love each other, and when we play together, it just goes a lot.
1:18:53It's really good. So even when we started at Springfield, we discovered that. and people at the Whiskey O 'Go when they heard the Springfield for the first time, they heard it. And people started showing up to listen to the Springfield because we do these jams and stuff and we get crazy. It was fun. Do you feel like you make each other better when you play together? I think we make each other, a light comes over us. Yeah. I don't know if we're better or worse, but something happens. Beautiful. When the Springfield was playing in clubs in L.A., who would have been playing those same nights? You know, Van Morrison, Three Dog Night.
1:19:38How would you say living in Northern California and living in Southern California are different? Well, Northern California, I was a recluse. Southern California, I was all over the place. and I ended up living in Malibu on Broad Beach Road in Southern California. And that's where I first saw Shangri-La when the band was still there. And I went up there and hung out with the guys in the band and Bob was there and we were hanging out. You know, I've always loved Bob. What a great writer. Such a great writer. He's like, in my impression, he's the greatest writer of our times. That's the way I look at him.
1:20:25But we, you know, we're just out there hanging out. I was trying to be cool. And, you know, these guys are all great. And I was hanging out, you know. How long did you live in that house on Broad Beach? Maybe a year. And then I moved to another house, a great house on Sea Level Drive, which is off of Broad Beach, right on the ocean. and the other house was on the ocean too. What a great place. And anyway, the second place I lived, F. Scott Fitzgerald used to live in it. Wow. And then when I found it, Catherine Ross was living in it, and that's when I bought it, and she was renting it, and I bought the house.
1:21:02So I moved in there on Sea Level Drive and lived there for a few years, got married there to Peggy outside the house in the grounds, And it was such a beautiful house. It was an old Cape Cod cottage covered with bougainvillea plants and beautiful flowers everywhere. Fantastic. And I just loved it so much, Rick. It was so great. And then remember the Mandeville fire? It burned it to the ground. So my house was gone. And there weren't that many other houses in that area that burned. But that one burned. Oh, that blew my mind. Yeah. I was playing at the Forum. the night that it burned really yeah so did you leave the house to go to the forum show i never went to the house i went from in my bus right to the from my last gig to that gig to another gig but i heard oh my god when i came off the stage they said well the fire i think might have burned your house down so i didn't go there right away but when i went in a few days after that, it was just, whoa, what a mess.
1:22:15Everything was gone. Terrible. Wonderful house. It's a trip. Yeah. Really, really, really something else. I read somewhere in the past that you said, everybody knows this is nowhere was your best album. Do you still feel like that about that album? You know, I really like it. It's a great album and so what i like about it is it's the first real crazy horse album yeah and you know showed a lot of stuff we were all so young and danny whitten was playing with us and before he passed so yeah that was a great album there's a one of a kind because it was crazy horse with danny and after that it was heroin and danny was not the same and then away he went it's also different than all the other Crazy Horse albums in that it's more of a studio album.
1:23:11It seems like since then it's been more, this is what we sound like live recorded. Yeah, even though that's the way we played that first album too, but I didn't sing everything live. I see. We started singing live after that. So we just played live and I would be singing, but we weren't recording that. Tell me about the story of After the Gold Rush. How did that project come to be? That was at my new house that I bought when I first moved to Topanga. And I was there, and I met my wife. I met Susan. She had a restaurant called The Canyon Kitchen. And then we fell in love, and I had this house I just bought.
1:23:54And she moved up and stayed in the house with me there. That was a fantastic house. And then I built a little studio in it. and Briggs and I made after the gold rush there and we started recording and we had Nils was there Danny was there for parts of it he was struggling with his heroin but he came in and out we had Nils Lofgren playing piano and that was cool Billy and Ralph and Danny and Nils and I and a lot of fun that record just happened pretty fast it's a good one yeah it's up there with those other ones yeah they all happen in their own way i mean this second song is a lot like it it's it's a similar kind of a thing you know yeah after the gold rush is after the gold rush because there's no other one it is that one and there's a lot of variety in that record goes from one thing to another quite a bit but second song is kind of like that too.
1:24:59I don't know. It's hard to say, hard to compare them. Those two are like 60 years apart or something. How did you know to ask Nils to play piano? Because he's known as a guitar player. Well, I met Nils in Washington, D.C. at a place called The Cellar Door. We were playing there, me and Crazy Horse. It was Danny and Ralph and Billy and I playing The cellar door and nils came and visited he hung out with us and he was there just grooving you know on the music he was there all the time and i knew he was a good guitar player and so when i turned around that time everybody knows this is nowhere before after the gold rush he said he was going to come out to la i mean we conversed somehow and i said oh come on out come and see us we can figure out something maybe we can do something came all the way out to the house from from the airport i don't know how he got to the house but he got there and i was in topanga and nils shows up and we're playing it was great and danny was sometimes there and sometimes not but nils nils played piano on that whole album that's what he did i don't think he had ever played piano on anything before that?
1:26:20Well, he might have played, you know, he had played accordion. Okay. Close enough. Yeah, close enough. Keyboards. I liked it just the way he played. It didn't matter what instrument he played. That's an interesting idea. The person who plays, it's less about the instrument and more how the player hears music. Nellis is wide open. Nils is a great musician. Bruce is lucky to have Nils in his band. Bruce's band is so huge. It's like people disappear.
1:26:54It's great, though. I love Bruce. Yeah, I love the way that in the studio, watching you play a song on the piano and then move to the pump organ or maybe the guitar, it really is like you're looking for the voice of the song, like you'd know the song in your head but the instrument could be anything really yeah yeah there was one song on one of those albums i can't remember what it was but i did it on the piano and i played it in your studio i think it's the first song out on the foggy edge it sounded like you were playing piano yeah yeah that was that was me yeah that was fun i should have played vibes on it too but i i didn't put them on and now when i hear the song i go wow i could have just a couple of notes here that would have been nice but nope how is the energy different when you're playing something live in the studio versus live in front of an audience usually in the studio it's one of the first times i've been playing it i haven't played it live in front of people yet i don't like to play things live in front of people that I haven't recorded.
1:28:04I like to play them first in the studio. That's the way to get them. I like to record and play. It's all one thing to me. Do you feel like the first version you get in the studio, do you think that is the definitive version of the song? Mostly. Maybe 85%, 90 % of the time. The song I was thinking about that I played on the piano at Shangri-La was Love Earth. Oh, yeah. And I was playing the piano on it. I love that song. I do too, thanks. It's got a good vibe. When did you first fall in love with model trains? Well, my dad got me a model train set in 1952 or something. Marks set it up in my bedroom, built a little table.
1:28:57And I've been into them pretty much since then, on and off. Some places I didn't have trains. But once I got back into it, it was great. I mean, I got stuff. Oh, there's probably something here on my desk. There's a little Rolls Royce. I pick these up when I go places. I just get them. This is a Ford station-wide town and country, I think. And this one is a pencil sharpener. See this? Cool. So wherever I go, I get these things. Do you have a favorite car? Well, I got a couple. I got a 47 or 48 Buick Roadmaster. That's a sedanette. It's the fastback kind. I've got LinkVault, a 59 Lincoln Continental convertible, which is now electric.
1:29:53I love that one. And I love taking Ben Young for rides in it, and Zeke, and we all go for rides in LinkVault. That's a good trip. Did one of your cars explode? Maybe. Let me think. I don't remember it exploding. Oh, I thought one of your modified cars might have exploded. Well, it might have, but I don't think so. Okay, good. Oh, no, that was link bolt. It exploded? One of the guys I was working with, he was charging it, and he left it charging. And we hadn't developed the charging system very well. So he left it charging and went home and caught on fire and the whole thing exploded and the whole warehouse it was in full of recordings and everything.
1:30:42We saved a lot of it. I heard you say once, my whole career is based on systematic destruction.
1:30:53Could have been. I'm not sure. Does it sound right? Kind of, but I don't know. I might have said that. I mean, I'll say anything, you know. Depends on how I feel at the time. You have to be, it's all part of the moment, you know. Yeah. How would you say your relationship to music has changed over the course of your life? Well, it still drives me. I love music. It's always been there. And it comes and goes. Usually I'm just figuring out that I can't do two albums that are the same because I want to shed the last one before I can start the next one. That's just a natural thing. I have to get all of that out of my head.
1:31:43There may have still been some in my head when I finish the album and I go, well, there's other songs I could have done and stuff, but it doesn't matter. I just kept going and I just wait for everything to clear. And then when it clears, things start happening, and that's the new direction that I'm going in. So there's no thinking.
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From the publisher
Neil Young is a legendary singer-songwriter whose career has spanned more than six decades. From Buffalo Springfield and Crazy Horse to a celebrated catalog that includes albums such as Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere and After the Gold Rush, his work has left an enduring mark on generations of musicians and listeners.
A two-time Grammy winner, Neil has also been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame twice, both as a solo artist and as a member of Buffalo Springfield.
His new album, Second Song, recorded with the Chrome Hearts, brings together newly written material with new recordings of songs he originally wrote more than 60 years ago.
Works mentioned:
NEW STUDIO ALBUM: Second Songs
Casting Me Away From You
I’ll Love You Forever (2026)
The Foggy Edge of Time
Day by Day
Earth Girl
Second Song
Soon I Might Be Going
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