Patricia Sun

30:00He's supposedly, I haven't been able to find a real documentation on it, but I have heard of it that he predicted the time of his death through astrology. And Benjamin Franklin wrote, Curdy Sreader, astrology is one of the most ancient sciences held in high esteem of old by the wise and the great. Forally, no prince would make war or peace, nor any general fight in a battle, in short, no important affair was undertaken without first consulting an astrologer. This is all through human history. From the Chaldeans, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, all of them. And I'm going to digress a little bit here too.

30:47I was in London decades ago at the museum, their national museum, and they have an awful lot of Egyptian artifacts, because they tillfured them. And there was one very large room that had things inside, in close encased glass, mummies. So I walked into this room, and I make these sounds that are healing sounds, and they definitely possessed me. They just come in and they take me. And I felt this feeling, which I get in certain churches and certain places, and certain people. But I felt this feeling, and I thought, geez, I can't make sounds in the middle of the museum. You know, there's people here, and I looked around this huge room, there were no people.

31:41Nobody was in the room. And I saw this coffin with paintings on the inside, and I was compelled to just walk straight ahead to it, and I did the energy building, and I made the sounds. And then as I got there, after I made the sounds, I looked at the coffin, the inside of the coffin has all the astrological symbols. So exactly anybody would know them today. There's one slight difference with the quarry. Something about the way the water was being poured, and water is spirit, and it was being joined back into the earth. And I thought, that's different. The only difference. Everything else was just so much like it.

32:22And I looked at the little label about what this is, it says, mummy of a woman who made sounds. Wow. So I've been around or somebody like me who knows what it is. You know, I don't know. But I identified to say the least. So the thing is that astrology is so ancient, so rich, and it evolves like everything. If you study ancient astrologers, some of it is quite confusing. It's like if you read ancient Egyptian texts, some of them just catch me and entranced me, and I get it. And the same is true with the etching when I read some things. I always say, I have to put on my Chinese mind. Put on my Chinese mind, and all of a sudden it makes sense.

33:14But it cannot make sense unless you can do that. And it's understandable because everything's in a context of its time. And those cycles repeat over and over and over. They're never the same. They are always altered just like democracy, altars, an outcome of something, or a discussion between two different points of view. We are creating. So creativity is the purpose of being human. Doing it with love is how we do it well. That's all there is. It's that easy. And no matter how we find ourselves or where we find ourselves, it we can do that. So Benjamin Franklin also said, oh, the wonderful knowledge to be found in the stars.

34:01Even the smallest things are written there. If you had but the skill to read. And it's true. And it's endlessly true because it's God speaking. And how it's God speaking is it's the body of God moving in cycles that our body is made of cycles. Our thinking is made of cycles. Our world is made of cycles. Everything we do is made in cycles. And astrology is just a way to perceive the cycles as a metaphor that can be used. And now we get to answer your question about all the different things about astrology. Why there's a chart. I'm talking about Western astrology. The minds had an astrology. Every culture.

35:00Yeah, ancient Asian. Everybody had an astrology. So there's all kinds. And then very interestingly about Chinese is an awful lot is quite similar. They use different animals to use a different symbology. It's like in Chinese, I'm a snake. And a snake is kind of a combination of Pisces and Leo. And I am a Pisces with Leo rising. So it kind of has the psychic thing, but it also has a kind of creative, not glitter, glitters too strong. But a shimmer or something, a charismatic almost, that's part of the energy. And Leo can be like that or they can be a pain in the neck. They can be immature and immature Leo wants all the attention all the time.

35:51Everywhere gets a little bit narcissistic. But they're always creative. And they're always generous even when they're narcissistic because it's a very creative sign. It's ruled by the sun. How can they not be? I can actually explain each thing. And it is a, it's in a way very logical. There's a logical matrix within which just matrix is a kind of a natural sign. The reality of what's happening, the reality of what we know in the past, what each thing symbolizes and where it came from. And some of these astrologers I listened to on podcasts. I mentioned their names because especially Adam Anombas, he really, he teaches ancient astrology.

36:32So does the astrological podcast, go to the podcast, you'll find them. He studies Hellenistic astrology and the ancient meaning of everything. And I found it just enough to get the matrix, to get the basic energy and then follow my own experience as I looked at someone and I looked at something and I saw what was happening or what they did. A talents that I have is to see what some people see as difficult and see how it's valuable. So one of the things I did learn from astrology was one of the aspects is called an opposition. And right now as I started to say, the sun and the moon are in Scorpio.

37:18Conjunct exactly. That's a new moon. And I thought last night I saw Mars is also conjunct going to be exact tomorrow, but Mars conjunct a new moon, especially and there those three things are opposed Uranus and Taurus right now. I'm having my Uranus return. People are familiar with Saturn returns pretty much because it's pretty recognizable that in your 27th year give or take a year or two, you go through a big change. You get married, you get divorced, change jobs, something happens, you change. I opened. And what happened for me was for two and a half years, my whole Saturn return, I revised my whole vision of reality because I was having psychic phenomena happening to me day and night, 20 times a day.

38:13You know, I told you about the woman who made sounds. Multiply experiences like that about 10 times a day for two years. It left me with no doubt what psychic ability was. I got all the different versions, all the different kinds and why there's lots of kinds. There was a great psychic lady who was part of a, I did it without a conference, a big conference at Berkeley on intuition and psychiness and they gave tests through the whole thing. This is when I was opening, so I was right in the middle of it. And I answered each thing and like when you had to choose between ABC or D, D would feel sticky.

39:05Sometimes something would glow. All different ways, but I'd get a little on something. And I did everything and I, I had to keep it, almost associating myself. I did dissociate myself from the fact I was getting them all right. I couldn't, it was too much for my linear mind. If you start thinking about it, I didn't recognize it till the end. If you thought about it, it probably would have interfered with the process. It would have interfered and gone away.

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41:08One of the interesting things that happened while I was one of the tests was they were showing slides and you were supposed to, yes, you know what the slide would be. And you made a little picture or words that described it. And the guy that was doing it would ask first before he put up the slide, he said, so what do you see? What I saw was a mountain and something orange, maybe like a sun, and three figures on a horse climbing the mountain. And so he said, how many people saw something entirely different? I said, oh, I guess I got this one wrong. And so he puts up the slide and it's three minutes of horse climbing up a mountain with an orange in the background.

41:56And he says, oh, that's the wrong slide. That's not the slide that's supposed to come up. And I remember thinking, thank you, God. This means I am not doing telepathy with this guy. I am actually reading the energy that's coming next, which reminded me of Mitchell, you know, the astronaut who did all these tests and what they found out it was all negative significant. Negative significant is very significant. It was getting more wrong than chance. What he then found out later was he was reading everything before the people on Earth had done it. He was getting what they were giving him to guess before it happened.

42:41So what this said to me in two instances is that precognition, and I had it all my life, so I didn't really need scientific proof because I knew it. Precognition is part of this something more. Part of creativity, part of that source we need to all open up to is why I kept grinning after I read it real fast the first time. And I just was smiling. I was so happy because you were making almost dizzy with the joy of making it easy for people, for many cultures, many people to accept a primary thing we have missing that we have to be open to. And the only people who criticize your book are people who need to be so linear minded they're freaked out.

43:42It's too soft, it's too touchingly real for a space they cannot acknowledge. And so that's all there is to that and it doesn't matter. So that's fine. I used to say either you believe in it now or you will later, so it doesn't matter. That's what you say about God. Either you believe in God now or you don't now and you will later, so it doesn't really matter. So we don't need to argue about it. Because I experience God. I feel God in every second of my being. God resides in my cells, and I see him residing in yours. So it makes it very easy. Not only for me to love you unconditionally, it's not an effort.

44:20It's just a recognition. It's just there. And when you find that with people, it just anchors the goodness in the world. And it's catching, as you said, which is another wonderful thing. It's contagious. And not to be, you know, we get afraid of contagious with bigger disease and that you lose power and you lose control if you, you know, if somebody can influence you because one time, I went to the Russian and I had a lot of people, Russians come that I brought to the United States and a whole other thing that's whole of the story. But one time, I don't get calls. And from the time I was looking, I don't get calls.

44:59I radiate heat. I can get warm. Unless I'm sick or very emotionally upset. It's the only time I get called. So it was winter when New York and this Russian guy, and in Russia, in the middle of winter snow, I have a dress like this on. And I didn't get cold. And I didn't have gloves and I didn't have a hat. And the Russians would stop me and the straight and said, this is dangerous. You can die. And I'd hurt my hand, my hand would be so warm. And they'd go, how do you do that? And this guy in Russian, he said, are you a witch? And this is, I said, of course. Which you know was a fear button. I wasn't supposed to push.

45:45But it was so silly in a way. I just had to say yes. And I said, you know, which is not what you think they are. And we maligned many people. And some people who did, they did have what was his name, the guy, the crazy guy, the monk. Resputin? Yes, the resident. So he's like a version of a witch. And he's a terrible person. Terrible things. But he had psychic energy. He had a lot of power. And he did hypnotize people. And he got all confused with sex and power. So that's what messed him up. So like we started saying even earlier, everybody has a wonderful talents, unique to themselves that only they can deliver to the world.

46:25And that's why again, I kept smiling, reading your book was because you affirm over and over. Everybody has this. Everybody has to find their own version of it. And it may be something strange. The only sensor I ever say, it should be kind. You know, I think the truth is very important. Of course, the truth is so big. You can't say it. I mean, so it's always going to be incomplete by a definition because it's too big. But to have the intent to be truthful is very powerful. You must add to that to be kind. Because you cannot tell people very crucial truths if you're not framing the whole energy and kindness.

47:13Because if you tell the truth without kindness, it'll be a salt. If you give kindness without truth, it's me. You know, it's make nice mush. To get the full thing, it's the left and the right brain. It's the linear and the intuitive. And somewhere along the way, I want to bring up my favorite pee I guess you would call it a little bit. Silicon Valley has instigated, and I think it's them, the idea of counterintuitive. The whole thing, the word bugs me, no end, because they say counterintuitive when they mean to say illogical. But illogical has such a charge in it in our culture. You can't say you were illogical there.

47:59You say, oh, what are you doing? What's counterintuitive? Well, intuitive is a truth that comes from non -logic. It's true than logic. It's true than logic. Truth is bigger than logic can hold. Reality is bigger than logic can hold. It's bigger. And so intuition needs to have more reverence and understanding of what it is. And to make counterintuitive a common word for illogical is a disservice to the process of really understanding intuition. And it's one of my favorite things. It's one of the things I feel like I'm a walking matrix of permission for intuition. Because it's the right brain activated.

48:50It what heals women from being judgmental. It's what inspires men to create an action beyond their dreams. Bigger than their dreams. Your dreams aren't good enough. Your dreams are great to open the door, but you've got to walk through the door, and that's letting, letting, letting, letting. Letting heaven possess you. Letting inspiration, which is intuition, take hold. That's take hold. This is the evolutionary leap. This is why there is an undoing of the old -style thinking by an alchemical interaction of love, over hate, of intuition, over too linear logic. Logic is crime. It's a tool for discerning reality.

49:41It's not a quivalent reality. It's a tool. Intuition is the means to touch the source. It's why astrology works. It's the intuition of the archetypes, of the movements of the cycles. And it allows the intuitive complexity. And that's why the ancient Egyptians were the most intuitive people. I think that ever lived on this planet for a couple thousand years until the Romans got it out of them. But they joined the intuition and the logical. And that's why even their gods were amalgams of different animals with animal bodies. Because the symbolism, the energy of the animal, taken to a human power, was a godlike thing.

50:39And that's why they understood astrology and they were part of the creators of it. Describe for a minute what goes on in you. How do you recognize intuition in your body? Is it in your body? Is it in your mind? Describe it in your mind. All of the above. Some people, by sound, by vision, by smell. I were very distinctive perfume. But somebody gave me. They actually gave it to my mother and she didn't like it. And when I was in Mexico and I was like 14, 13, 14. And I have used the same perfume since that age. And this perfume is called Geraville, which you'll remember me. And it's made by worth.

51:27And people sometimes would smell my perfume before I came into the room. But to finish that story, because it was kind of interesting, I went with a friend to Paris and then to the Loire Valley to stay with a friend of hers, a beautiful chateau and her husband was part of the noble family, the caffle with his family. And actually their house was what the monks lived in. It was a big, long stone thing. And when I walked in the door, she gave me a hug and welcomed me. She says, Oh, I see you are Geraville. And I said, Yes. And she said, I can tell you something about that you might like. And I said, What's that?

52:14Well, my father adored my mother. Loved her just so much. He wanted to make the perfect perfume for her. And he made Geraville for her. And I sometimes think, What a thread of energy this is. You know, a lot of this stuff you have to take much more personal than we do. And in other ways, you have to constantly, it's not personal at all. It's the most incredible, just connection of everything to everything. That's wonderfully good. It's wonderfully good. So it's an interesting thing. Just one of those things. Anyway, so I feel intuition, like I told you, when I took that test, that was all seminar, a long day long thing.

53:04And only at the end, did I realize I'd gotten everything right. Even the one I got wrong, I got right. It was just the timing was right because I was having so many psychic experiences. No matter what I wanted to doubt, nothing came in the same way each time. So I was just getting things one way and another way. And also a lot is in my body. Because my body is my connection to your body. It is my connection to every, not every human body, but to animals, to trees. My body is my piece of the planet I'm sitting in. And so that's why I say anything, everything you have to go through, anything you project on it anybody else.

53:46If you're thinking it, you're feeling it's yours because there's nobody in there but you. And piece of the planet experiencing itself. So I'm just open to however way it may be. Sometimes I do hear things, I hear a very clear, almost like somebody just said it. And then other times, I see a vision like when my mother, I saw how she saw it. And when I learned from all that picture, actually it was very powerful. It's like, it is a graphic language, it's very powerful. Because they're capturing many things in one thing, which is what astrology does, it captures many things in one thing. And that's why it's hard and why it's hard to understand, takes time.

54:31Took me time. I learned to speak Spanish in three months, six months, totally fluent. But astrology took me about two years, really. And I'm still learning it. It'll never end. It'll never end. It'll life long. Yes, life long, never end. I'm always surprised, it's always delighted. It's always got some of the, oh, oh, oh, wonderful that is. It's interesting.

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56:16So intuition is something definitely that I teach is sort of the hallmark of my philosophy. Is that intuition is what is being born and human being. We have it. We have a whole hemisphere dedicated to it. We use it all, every human uses it, whether they know it or not. I think even if you have it, that hemisphere removed. I think your cells will still tell you intuitive things. You don't get away from it, but we haven't blocked because of fear. It's why we burnt people at the stake. One of my psychic experiences opening, I didn't think I was going to tell you this one. It still makes me going to cry a little bit.

57:01I think I had a dream. I can't remember what instigated it. I woke up and I just had this experience. Where I was chained to a stake. I could feel people kind of maniacally running around. I felt the flames and I felt my body catch fire. I actually felt myself die in the flames. As I was dying, I was saying, why? Why? I didn't hurt anyone. Why?

57:46I realized from that experience, speaking on the other end of it, most of us know when we persecute other people because they're different or because they scare us. Any kind of bullying energy. It's an interesting thing. I was thinking about that about bullies. I never was bullied as a child. I was a child. I was pretty and I was blonde and I was serious. I had a self -containment about me. But with kids at school, people would do any energy like that. I'd just look at them and they would just stop. I remember this one girl. She had polio and her whole body was crippled and she would sometimes be wet.

58:33When she got her period, she'd get blood in her. There were some boys making fun of her. I mean, why she was forced to go through all this? I never know. But when I just stepped up to them and I looked at them and I was saying in my mind, you don't want to do this. You don't want to do this. I don't think I said anything to them. I just kept saying in my mind, you don't want to do this. You don't want to do this. And they kind of went like this and they turned around and walked away. So I always had that ability. So in a way, it made me not afraid of a lot of things people were afraid of. I never needed to join in.

59:09I was born with what I know. I came in with it day one. I absolutely know it. So I didn't expect to be helped. I expected to be alone. One of my premonitions was my first memory was my parents were young. My mother was 18. My father was 19. And my mother was not really too interested in me. She was only interested in my father. And the nurses had told him to go away that it was going to be a long time. But actually, I was born rather quick and I was 10 pounds. And I was born quickly, which nobody expected. And they had told him to go home. And she was mad because, and I had this vision, like, I've had out of body experiences with accidents and things.

59:56I pop up, look down, see how everything is happening. I had this experience of when I was born. My mother got her arms folded and she's pissed off because my father is not there. And I'm looking down and I'm saying, oh dear, nobody's going to take care of me. I have to take care of myself. Nobody's going to take care of me. I have to take care of myself. And that was my life. And I traveled throughout the world by myself. I did everything by myself. And one of the things I think is happening, what's happening astrologically right this minute, and you're asking me to come on this day, this is a difficult day.

1:00:39Not difficult at all. No, it's not difficult at all. Astrologically people would say, ooh, you don't be ready. It could be difficult. People might get angry. No, I don't run into that. So I don't get that. You don't either, so you don't get it. So this is how astrology is different. But what's not different is the planets have an energy. They have a meaning. Mars is assertion, aggression, and creativity of a certain dynamic sort. The moon is the unconscious and the collective sort of. The sun is the radiant self. The sun and the moon and the new moon connect it as one thing. Mars conjunct it. Some energy popping in there.

1:01:27Opposed and opposition to Uranus is sudden and explicable change. Ahead of its time's thought. A lot of uncomfortable changes. Can't predict it. Won't know what it is. Sometimes people have accidents, especially Mars, Uranus. You've got anything unconscious running. You might watch out what you're doing. And astrologers will tell you that. And usually there's enough case history on all that to say, yeah, do that. But I'm having my Uranus return, which only happens supposedly every 84 years. And what happens with planets is they go direct. They move over a point in the chart that represents something.

1:02:15And as they activate that point, and then they move away. And then if they do a retrograde, they come back. And they go over that point again. And it gets activated again. But this time it's not such a surprise. Because you kind of know what you did. The first time, maybe just without knowing it. And it goes back again. And then it comes back again. So the third time, it goes over an important point. It's like a Saturn return. It makes a big imprint on people because everything in their life changes. Something in their life at least definitely changes. Usually about how you judge reality, because it's Saturn and authority.

1:02:54So my whole authority structure completely changed. I gave up science. I love science. But it's a very minor tool and very poorly done for the most part right now. Not very scientific. It's a lesser tool. Yeah, and it's not done very well. It's turned into a dogma like religion's not done very well. Science has become too much of a click. I loved your podcast with Andrew Heurman. I just couldn't stop listening to it. I stayed up all night. I didn't sleep. It's so good, so good, so good. Everybody should listen to it. They will. Anyway, a few months ago, they found some breast cancer in me. I've had it like three or four years.

1:03:36I pretty much ignored it. I didn't believe that cancer can exist in my body unless I let it. And what I was letting happen, what can't, especially for women, is when you don't nurture yourself enough. And I haven't been nurturing myself enough. And that was why it happened. And I knew that. Of course, the doctor doesn't believe that at all. They're all freaked out. And so they put me on some estrogen blocker. And it started to shrink. And in less than a year, it practically disappeared. But there was a little piece left and it wasn't disappearing. And it was in a very easy to get spot right here.

1:04:13And so I said to the doctor a few months before this. I said, I've decided because she wanted to have, she wanted to take it out to the search, when take it out. Take it out. Can come back. They do all this fear of mongering on you. And they don't know what they're talking about. So I said, well, you know, if I just had even a mole, I didn't like or something. I'd take it off. I don't care. It's not that big a deal. And I said, OK, I've decided to let you take it out. It's near the surface, not that big a deal. The only thing is I can't have any general anesthesia. I don't want any anesthesia.

1:04:44I've never been an athlete. I don't want to be. And she goes, I can't do that. And I said, well, I said that I won't do it. Because I know it's not a problem. And it's local. God, it's not that hard a thing. And so she thought about it. And the next time I saw her, she said, I've decided to do that. So they did it. And the day she picked for surgery was the exact day of my Uranus return. So I knew something. Maybe I was going to die. You know, you know, something's going to happen. Something is going to happen. So I have a well -being meditation table, which I recommend to everyone. And I did it some 40 years ago because it's just with healing to me.

1:05:27And I thought I'd share it with other people. But I give it to an anesthesiologist a lot to use, because they get a lot of feedback from them and their patients, that they need less anesthesia when they use this meditation. So I told her about this. And I said, I'd like to play it for myself. And for everybody, actually, it didn't necessarily, I thought it was only going to go to me. But as it turned out, it only worked through her phone. And so everybody in the room heard it. And people were grinning through the surgery. It went so easy. It was nothing for me. All I had to do was be filled with light and love.

1:06:18I was smiling like with your book. I was just smiling. This is going to be quite an impressive thing to this day. I was just a doctor and all their helpers. Who thinks this is so serious and so hard. They have to knock people out. You don't have to do it. So that was what happened. And it was great. And I, of course, you know, I have no recovery time really to speak of. I wasn't there in a knockout. That's what we really... I remember my father telling me, because he had like 168 IQ and so did I. We had very high IQs. And we got along. He could... He taught a lot about the world. But he... I remember him telling me, anesthesia is near death.

1:06:53You don't want to ever be... You're not going to sleep. They're putting you near death. Don't do it if you don't have to. So I never have. And... Anyway, doctors don't always understand that. So that was my first. Then the second one is just a few days ago. But more importantly, this eclipse, this new moon eclipse with Mars, which implies... Oh, difficulty is opposed to my Uranus, which is one degree off my actual thing, which is a closed conjunction. So that's what we're doing right now. What I'm doing is I'm talking about things I wouldn't normally talk about. I'm talking about astrology. I'm going to explain how it works as you've asked me.

1:07:39And I'm talking about personal things. Well, you know, like I had the partial mastectomy. And they call it partial mastectomy. She did a little bit of a sloppy job because she had to go in the muscle. But mostly it's just nothing. It's not... There's so much fear mongering. And it's part of old -style thinking. And sadly, it's part of control. Because doctors are very insecure. They know they don't know what they're doing. And they know that more and more every day. And it's so unsettling. And the more wise of them will admit that. And listen to their patients. And keep looking for YouTube's and things that tell them other things.

1:08:16Like Andrew. But even Andrew, Jack was really kind of hard on him. The one thing you have is this beautiful mind. He does. He has a beautiful mind. He has a wonderful way of explaining things. Why I've always loved his podcast. I get to tell people all over the place in my family. Listen to this. Get educated about how things work in your body. It's good to know that part. But I also say, after you know how it works, heal it yourself. Because you can. Which people don't like to hear you. Anyway. So the thing about astrology when I first got into it. Was I did it by resisting. I did it by. Conceiting.

1:08:55Oh my God when they did my chart. Because they knew thing about my being psychic when I was a child. And thinks that. That are really. I don't. Didn't talk to anybody about it. And so I thought, well, if they can do that. I'm going to study this. And I did. And I got good at it. You know, there is no best I don't think because there's different strokes for different folks. So different astrologers suit different people. And I always recommend you go to more than one. Get at least two readings. So. You will see the parts that are completely the same. And then you will see. What that person sees.

1:09:36And I see the things that I resonate with. And another person will see the things that they resonate with. Sometimes they're the same thing. But sometimes they're not. And all of this is good. I don't think you know. And the only time is if you really disagree with something, it's probably wrong. And by wrong, I mean the person is interpreting it too narrowly or too harshly. Because these are these are archetypes. These are metaphors. And you know, a metaphor where something, you know, drowns. Isn't necessarily you're supposed to drown. It's a metaphor for something else.

1:10:18Okay. So the logical part and the nice logical part of astrology is. It's got a logical order. It has a structure. It has meanings that are assigned to planets, to houses, which cover different areas of the person's personality. Then there are aspects from one planet to another, one point to another, some aspects make. Is, shrines, some aspects make growth good, but growth different, little alien, but growth as a sex style. And some things are like squares, which are difficult. They're really different. Different reality almost. And so some person can take a lot of their life, always running into the difficulties of these two parts of themselves, just in conflict.

1:11:15Or with another person, they may have a conflict with that person. They don't know why, because they've got some squares, you know, that will make it difficult. But the advantage I learned since I have about five squares is, everything I know of unique knowledge came from my squares. Some things took me 20 years pondering it in myself. Why is this like this, is like this, is like this. Until I realized they were just two different styles of reality that didn't mix well. And that if you just let them not mix well and see the two things, usually you will get some super information. And the other thing that I learned from astrology that I use psychologically, and I'm Carl Jung again, as we briefly said, he did the charts of all his clients.

1:12:09And, uh, I have, there's a great Carl Jung, so I don't want to leave it out. He was, you know, by his lake, home in Zurich, he's had a wealthy wife. So he, a beautiful home. And on the porch, he was talking to the woman who had come to see him. He said, what's the problem with what he thinks? He said, well, birds persecute me. And he was just about to say, what makes you think that? If this bird swooped down and hit her in the head, and he said, I was going to ask what do you think that? But, you know, there's something else here. You know, so the universe tries to get your tent. I talked to birds all the time, and they, they come.

1:12:59Animals aren't afraid of me. Ever since, as one of my best things as a kid, I used to be in the woods. Wild animals come to me. I love it. It was my only happiness, actually, as a child. It was the woods and animals. Because people were not so nice. It is that people were confused. People were so confused when I was in grammar school. I remember vividly this man who was the principal. I can see him so clearly. His body type, his face, he's probably only about 3080. He looked older. He was overweight. Very manicured. He was still in glasses. Very sad. He looked so sad. I later found out he hung himself in the kid's coat closet.

1:13:48Wow. So, I was just reading his grief all the time. But, it was one of my early experiences, and I had a number of them, where why people do really bizarre things from their grief? And why it was so important to me always to alleviate grief? Not to eradicate grief. Grief has a value, but to use it as a transformative thing to see more, to be more compassionate, to have a broader view. So, back again to the aspect that I learned psychologically from astrology, which is an opposition. An opposition is in a chart, which is a circle, it has a rising sign, and that's called a rising, because that's what the ascendant of the sun is rising.

1:14:44All these, this is on the other side of the earth, these are the planets above us. So, rising is where the sun is when you're born? Yeah, well, where the sun rises, the sun could be anywhere. But, when the sun was rising, that's your ascendant. Yeah, that's why you need the time, the exact time. And that sets the houses. So, the rising sign, I sort of advise this thing, you're rising sign represents energetically. If you think of an analogy like a photograph, a camera, film, and the light shining on the real deal. So, the rising sign is what? Fixates on the film. So, I have a Leo rising. So, I look a lot like a Leo, that I'm not really that much of a Leo.

1:15:40I have a lot of Leo, but I'm not really. I'm a Pisces. So, do you say it's like a surface? It's like a surface. And because it's not just surface, because this is real, and it is substantive, and it does influence your knowledge and your ability and your nature and your personality. In fact, it's very much a personality. It's your parents. When I was going to Berkeley, people who were interested in astrology, they'd guess, oh, you're a Leo. I said, no. How could I get that so wrong? That's how Leo rising. Because it looks like, and it's a real thing, and it affects the world, and it's, so that's why I made it, the photograph.

1:16:15It's the photograph you get. But the light, well, the moon is the unconscious. It's the lens. So, the light of the real person shines through the lens. And the lens is like the unconscious, you know how a lens distorts the reality? That's the filter that goes through, and then it sticks to its own film. The light shining on the actual person is the sun. So, the sun is very important. So, the sun is your sunshine? It's your sunshine. That's why people talk about sunshine, and it's a fairly decent shorthand because it does capture off a lot of what somebody is, and in what they're about. More than they're rising?

1:17:00Yeah, oh, much more. In depths. Not necessarily how they appear. Yes. That's why they can appear a little confusing. But if you want to know who they are. The sunshine. The sunshine. Yeah. And who they are is their moon sign also. You are all these things, but you have to consider these things. I used to say, astrology is like, you know, you can have the plans for the Taj Mahal. Magnificent plans. Chart. But you can make it out of paper mache. It'll look like maybe the Taj Mahal, but it won't really be the Taj Mahal. Same as true of the astrologies. You can have two people with very similar charts.

1:17:38And there'll be different people because one, the soul inside is different. What they're going to do with the energetics. They chose for themselves. I believe we choose our chart. We choose our matrix of energy that we come in with. And I say, if I were to choose our parents, and everybody would mold. No, no, we did. We choose our parents because for good and ill, they set us up for the challenges. We have decided as a soul to take care of. That we're going to handle. We're going to look at. And you need to get programmed to get it to have something to handle. So anyway, the opposition is important because it's an overview of what I realized.

1:18:22When you have an opposition between, as we do, Scorpio and Taurus, Taurus is fixed earth. It's ruled by Venus. Very physical, likes good food. I think a puppy dog sometimes, it can be, you know, a fernan, the bull, when it gets mad, you know, it can be pretty imposing. But it's an earthy physical sign ruled by Venus. Scorpio is a water sign, the deep emotion, ruled by Mars or Pluto, old, before they knew about Pluto, it was Mars. So you get that comfortableness with the Mars conjunct in Scorpio, this conjunction of the Sun and the Moon. So this has got a lot of powerful, deep, emotional shadow stuff, sex, death, money, and power, a place where there's a lot of shadow.

1:19:20And the main fault that Scorpio is sort of having to ever use that term is that they have so much ability and they keep looking for everything in the wrong place because they get conditioned in this world. And they could be the most powerful healers, very wise, but they're still trying to get power. And they're still trying to do something with sex and trying to make money and they're afraid of death. So it doesn't mess them up, it is their grist for the mill. It's the thing that they get to. They're rooted in the material world. Oh yeah, very much so. Emotionally, they feel it, they sense it everywhere, they're living in this dimension.

1:20:06So they're going to get it, you know, they have these resources, but they get carried away, you know. And that's why they can be sometimes not so nice. And also incredibly beautiful and loyal as well. So anyway, so the opposition I realized psychologically is that if you go up high enough, this thing that looks like two polar opposites, never the twain shall meet kind of thing, they are a continuum. They are connected. They are two parts of one thing and the continuum is the insight that holds them together. And you get that information when you go up high enough, when you look from above. So you're not looking at a polarized disagreement.

1:20:58You're saying, oh, we're polarized. Oh, good, what? You know, right away it's a benefit. So that's something I do. Do they balance each other? Or is that not the right way of looking? They, they sometimes do. They're hand -airing different parts of the puzzle. All parts of the puzzle don't necessarily balance, but because they're continuing, it looks like a barbell, the symbol too. Two circles with a line, that's an opposition symbol. I'm trying to cultivate, they are connected. And to enjoy the connection. And this is why, this is not a hard day for us. This is, this is a breakthrough day because we're embracing Uranus and Taurus.

1:21:42And I have a nail Uranus and Taurus in my 10th house, which is my career. So what I teach the world is how to be comfortable in a physical way with futuristic ideas. And if it's time's thought and strange phenomena. This is natural to me. And it's also trying Neptune and Virgo, which is Neptune's pipe rules, Pisces and Virgos the opposite sign, another opposition. Where I see, I analyze, it's like Virgo does psychic things. So it's all one to me. It's melding two concepts that seem contrary to the ongoing benefit of both. Beautiful. Yeah. So that's it. And right now, as we speak, we have this conjunction with the Sun and the Moon and Mars in Scorpio.

1:22:38Exactly opposite. My Uranus. And the world's Uranus right now in Taurus. So we're trying to make normal ahead of its time's thoughts. So we have a comfortable physical way to be in it. And so it's not too strange. It's just more pioneering and wonderful stuff we get to do with the body. And it's great for sex and for being good friends and for being good parents. And being good with other people because it's a tolerance that isn't tolerant. It's just, it's excitingly interesting. It's not an effort to be tolerant. It's wonderful. It feels so good. It's the gateway. It's the portal to something more.

1:23:27And there's a phrase I'm very fond of now, these something more. In everything, there is these something more. There is nothing you can't look at. Nothing we can't deal with. There is something more. Look for the something more. Whenever you get stuck, whenever you get all right. Whenever you get mad at somebody. Whenever you fall in love with somebody, also be willing to see that something more. It can take it to deeper levels you never imagine possible. So it's all good. There's something more. And it's the evolutionary leap from my point of view. The philosophy, the basic philosophy is this consciousness beyond duality.

1:24:11Unifying the two hemispheres, being able to think of them simultaneously, comfortable. And I use astrology a lot, not only for realizing how that was true when I was learning it, but also it's very true for why I can be kind of magical almost. It seems to people in understanding solutions that didn't seem possible. And a lot of times people are so funny they'll say, you know, when you say it, I knew that, but I didn't know it. And that's completely true. You do know. You know everything. Except you don't until it reaches that point. It's almost like you're reminding them. Yes. Because that we're all here at this point means we all know.

1:24:57There's nobody alive in a body right now that doesn't know what we're talking about. One of the interesting things traveling alone, you know, I get cab drivers with all nationalities, I get to talk to people on planes and stuff, different countries, everything. They all think I'm them. They all think I come from wherever they come from. No matter what I look like, even Japanese people say, only our old people know this. How do you know this? Because it's all the same. We are here. And we have a thread of connection. And because I know it and feel it and have observed it, lived it, I'm a good center.

1:25:35Because the pathway is already there for me. It happens automatically. So I look at somebody and I see them and I love them. And I see, oh my God, you're so good. You're doing this, you're doing that. And that's what you do with people too. You give them that affirmation to look at themselves without that criticalness and to have the space to see what it will go. And this is the growing edge. That's another term I use all the time. We're living on the growing edge. And it's constantly moving. The growing edge is just constantly growing. We are all constantly expanding. The whole planet is getting it.

1:26:19And that's why not only should we not be afraid of the future and what we will do to this planet, but we do have to pay attention to the ridiculous harm we are creating and call it all as it is. Because each of that is a little growing edge about understanding more about the nature of reality. Let's do the rest of the planets. Okay, so one of the easiest ways to do this is I started to show you the chart. It's a circle. And there's the middle line. And this is the ascendant arising. And this is the descendant. So when the sun sets, this is where the degree it'll set out. And when it rose on the day and the moment you were born, this is where it was.

1:26:58Is the descendant also a calculation that you look at or know? Oh yes, definitely. But descendant is the cost for the Seventh House, which is relationships. And what you do in relationship with other people in the world. And one of the interesting things about me is I have Venus and the moon in Aquarius. And Aquarius is considered kind of a cool size. The ruler of Uranus. Or Uranus is the ruler of Aquarius. And I have a very far out analytical way that I love. It comes in a kind of pure, good for humanity, criteria. You know, it's not just falling in love with somebody or it's not erotic necessarily, though that's nice when that comes to.

1:27:48But, and I realize I also can use that as a defense. When I meet someone who I like care for very much and I see the possibility, part of me longs for so much that I will create defenses. I'll be maybe more glib than I would be. Truly, not myself. So, in Taro, that's the tower card. Where your defenses get struck by lightning because your defense, the tower, is silly, isn't that what you want? And you need to see that. When you see that, it's a relief. And it's a relief and it's a good thing. So, the seven -thouses is what this cuts on. The first house goes down and around this way. So, the horizon signs a straight line cut to the circle like a horizon.

1:28:44And then you move down. This is the first house. And that's the first sign. And the sign at the horizon is the degree that the sign is. So, the sending goes down? You do it counterclockwise. The zodiac symbols are always in the same order. They're always in the same order, but they move around. Yes, that's right. And so, depending on where the clock is, tells you which house. The clock is set by your birth time. That's why it's so important to have the birth time. I understand. Because that sets where everything else falls. And I use the plasticists and I don't use equal houses. They don't make a distinction too much between the different houses having different degrees.

1:29:28I do, it tells you what planets are in what house. And how that's going to affect your personality. And so, I have sun and Venus in the seven -thouses. And Mercury. So, the way I think, my basic self, and the way I love, is very concerned about relationships. I love relationships to work. It's so wonderful to me to see people get along. And I know you can't fix anything. You cannot, you know, as a therapist, I had to learn, you know. When a couple comes to me, I'm not here to make a relationship work. I'm here to help you have the relationship you want by being authentic to yourself. And I used to say, the real reason for breaking up with somebody is you let the actual energy of the interaction, the weight of it, the relationship rises or falls of its own weight.

1:30:36So, if the person is going to undermine you constantly or criticize you, you cannot be with that person. You may love them to pieces on a lot of things, but that's not acceptable. That will not work. You can go through a process sometimes where people learn how to not do that. And then it's very deeply learning for both people. But, it's a little bit weird. It's a lot of pain. Anyway, that's a whole other story. So, this is the rising sign set by the time you're born. It also sets the descendant and the mid -heaven, which is your career, and the IC, which is your childhood. So, my mid -heaven has Uranus in the 10th house, and exactly on the mid -heaven, I have Jupiter and Saturn conjunct.

1:31:24And that's kind of interesting and in Taurus. So, I make practical duality on the physical plane. I teach it. But it's a new consciousness. It's a different thing when they're together. And so, I have them exactly to conjunct and exactly in the mid -heaven. Explain what each one of them represent. Thank you very much. Jupiter is expansion. It's, you know, Zeus, basically the king of the gods. It rules Sagittarius, which is very exuberant sign, very sweet sign, really. Jupiter tends to make bigger whatever it is, so it could exaggerate it to some detriment. But mostly he's enthusiasm, and it's a really joyful kind of sign.

1:32:13And they sometimes blur stuff out, you know. I think one of the phrases I remember reading, the person at the party with their foot in the mouth is the Sag, because they'll say, oh, you're going to let it say it out loud, what they're thinking. They don't all do that, but it's the exuberant spontaneity of it that's lovely. And that's Jupiter, and it's, so Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter. And Saturn is completely the different. Rules capricorn, serious, rules, its order, its consequence, creating things to happen as they should. I used to say about Saturn, it's the concrete in the steps that lets you ascend.

1:33:02We do need the capricorn energy. It's one of my favorite signs, actually. I'm more as in capricorn. And I like capricorns because they're very earnest people. Probably if there's one quality I admire more than anything is earnestness. I have unforgiving love to anybody who's earnest, because it's pure, it's good. And it puts you in alignment with the process accurately. And it makes me love them, it's very respectful, respectfully. So Saturn is, I hate to say opposite, they are opposistic, all opposites all the time, expansion and contraction. But for me, they're one thing. I see them as one, I feel them as one, my brain uses them as one.

1:33:52It's what I teach in the world, it's exactly in the mid -Heaven, which is what you do in the world and what you teach in the world. So I totally fit my chart. So the sun is the basic self, the moon is the unconscious, the mother often. Would you see it in a chart sometimes it represents the public. I have my moon in Aquarius, as I said, and Venus in Aquarius, which is humanitarian, uranium, orientation. I love humanity. One of the things they say about Aquarius is they love humanity. It's people they don't like very much. Which is a very serious statement because people can be very difficult. But humanity in the aggregate is a wonderful thing.

1:34:39Okay, so going back a little bit more or sun moon, Mercury is communication, your nervous system to a degree, the electricity of your nervous system. That's why I love your podcast, electricity in nerves. Oh, this is so true. And I'm a little bit deaf. I had some experiences that sort of, and I'm so looking forward to them finding out how to activate it so I can hear again because hearing is extremely important to me because I read people's voices. I can, it's just a terrible loss, so I'm looking forward to getting that back. But anyway, Mercury is the messenger of the gods, sometimes mischievous, but quick.

1:35:27That's why Gemini is ruled by Mercury, rules, Gemini. So Gemini's can be very glib. You know, so many funny stories to Gemini's. To just give you very quick snapshot of complete different people, both Gemini's, Trump is a Gemini, of the Leo Rising, I believe. And John F. Kennedy was a Gemini with a labor rising. So John F. Kennedy was eloquent with whereas lovely, labor rising, the filter fixated on, came through, was just beautiful. And he was educated. Poor Trump is wounded, damaged by a cruel and harsh father. So he is very quick with words, not real deep in a certain way, because of cancer moon.

1:36:21So he does tune into the emotional fears of people, the emotional needs. So he's got that Gemini quick words, glib, ridiculously glib, contradictory. Gemini is often contradictory. Yeah, you say it's black and say, oh, oh, no, it's white. You say, oh, yeah, it's white. No, no, it's black. They just can't help themselves. It's going to always try to do this duality thing. And that's why it's considered sometimes an immature sign, young, anyway, because it does everything so hard for it to be deep. And unless it has other aspects that make it deep, it will kind of appear that way. The last boyfriend I had many decades ago, what's the Gemini?

1:37:11Moon and Pisces. So we were completely telepathic and got along. We never had an argument. We used to travel like so easy. He did, you know, the guy things I took us magically through places. It just was wonderful. But he used to tell stories. He couldn't say, you know, I had a big believer in telling the truth. It was incredibly important to be truthful all the time. And he makes stuff up that happened. It didn't happen. And that's what Trump does. Gemini's tend to do that. And I said to him, you know, it really upsets me that you do that. And he said, well, it's a better story that way. And to him, that was perfectly reasonable.

1:37:57And I could feel like looking at my mother's picture, I could see how that was perfectly reasonable to him. It's a talent, actually. It's part of what they do. So I had to give up being about truthfulness, although I know attempting to be truthful, caring about it, is a power that's immense. And you don't want to lose it. It will guide you through many things. So it's a valuable thing. Okay. So we're doing the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Venus. Venus is an interesting thing because, you know, obviously the goddess Venus or Aphrodite, it is the goddess of the arts, music, beauty, arrows, in the feminine erotic sense, as areas can be in the masculine sense.

1:38:52Libra is ruled by Venus as its Taurus. Both of the Libra, particularly the scales, suffers when there is disharmoning around it. And that's like when I do counseling with people, you know, somebody's like a camper corn saying, well, you know, this is the truth. This is what's happening.

1:39:15Libra can't stand it. I'd say, you know, that person is hearing this in a different way than you are. And they don't hear what you hear the way you hear it either. And often what I was is a translator. People would say that to me all the time when I do come for counseling. They say, he'd say what he says, and I'd explain to her what he meant. She'd say what she says, and I'd explain to him what she meant. And they go, how did she do that? You know, it was so easy actually because the boundary or the difficulty we're suffering was just this energetic style difference. And once we get that under our belts, that's a reality.

1:39:58There's a lot of pain in there. There's a lot of stuff to learn, a lot of stuff to do. And as I say, the only deal breaker is nobody's entitled to be mean on purpose. It's a deal breaker. I say don't spend 10 minutes with somebody who hurts you on purpose. Even if it's only once every six months, this is a deal breaker. You can tell them once or twice or even a hundred times if you want. That's a deal breaker, but at some point if it keeps happening, that's a deal breaker. Because it's off. And it's indulging offness to go along with it. It's not you're not being tolerant. You're being abused.

1:40:40And that's not okay. And you're in charge of whether you get abused. And so part of being mentally healthy is knowing when that is. And that you can speak up for yourself. You don't have to get mad. Sorry, that's not acceptable. Walk out the door. How fast people turn around when you just turn around and walk out the door? The game that they've been playing, the game of their culture or their childhood or their defense mechanisms, was like they keep making you pay. Nobody's playing the game anymore. It's like, what if we gave a war and nobody came? You know what, it's like we said before. It's how it ends.

1:41:19Can't do it. What's after Venus? After Venus, Mars. And Mars is the warrior, the sort of, the masculine energy. One of the things I discovered is every planet and every sign has a high note and a low note. So when things aren't working well, you're doing the low note. You don't have to give up the energy. You have to move to the high note. So the low note of areas is war. The high note of areas is great assertion and bravery and courage and ability to go ahead and do great things. It's wonderful. Like it was wonderful about men. Venus, the high note is beauty, the art in every way. Sensuousness, loveliness.

1:42:08The negative is the kind of malicious thing that Venus was known for her jealousies or things like that. You can't do that. That's the low note. So if you're being jealous when you're dealing with that energy, you got to move out of that. So after Venus comes Jupiter. And when Jupiter as a planet touches any other planet, it expands it, gives it more energy. I'm having my Jupiter return as well in Taurus. So I'm always optimistic and positive anyway. But now I can be optimistic and positive about how we're trying to destroy the Earth and we're not going to. And how we, that doesn't mean we don't have to do something about it, we do.

1:42:53So okay, after Jupiter comes Saturn, we did Saturn. And after Saturn comes Uranus. Uranus is the futuristic thinking. And if it's time to thought, it's way out there. Every time I talk about Uranus, I have to quote Niels Bohr, astrophysicist who said, when asked about the universe as he was discovering things, he said the universe is stranger than we think. He said, no, it's stranger than we can think. This is what we are now. This is the crux of the matter. There's nothing we can know enough to handle what we're leaking into the rest of the universe. I used to have these two mind stretchers that I gave in workshops.

1:43:40And I'd say, okay, one mind stretcher is, here's the whole universe and just spread my arms real wide. The whole universe, as it actually is, down here in a little tiny part is us. And it's the duality plane game. And what's going to happen to us when we're in this duality plane game, we're going to leak out into the rest of the universe. That's the mind stretcher. If you're ready to leak out into the rest of the universe. So that's what's happening now. We're leaking out into the rest of the universe. And the universe is leaking into us because we are part of it. So the other mind stretcher is, this is best done visually.

1:44:16But if you can imagine me holding my hands together. And what we have to realize, all there is is now. All there ever is is now. And if you get your two figures together and you open your hands slowly, this is now. And as you stretch it out, it's now, it's still now, it's still now. Everything that is no matter how far you go out into future and path, it's still now. It's all now. Our brains are evolving to be able to handle that concept very well. And when we do, I do believe we'll end war. I believe that the end of war could be even in my lifetime. That's how potent I believe the shift can be because it can happen quickly.

1:45:00Because as we use love as the mediator, as we use love as the connecting freedom to see and to feel and to know each other, as we actually do that, the rest of the universe can enter us. And our brains are already built to handle it. We just have censored them down to a very now. We've made them stupid. The advantage I have being born in 1941 is that, and I realized the reason I had to be born in 1941, is I had to be born during the war. I had to be actually alive and my father went to war. And he came back, he really was in the occupation of Japan. And it was very painful for both of us because we both love Japan.

1:45:44We love Japanese art. We had a great affinity, I don't know where it came from, but beyond knowing when I was a little girl, the knife, the woman's sword that he brought back, I looked at it and I knew how it was made. You know, I was six years old. I'm looking at the sword. I could see the folding and the psychic attunement to the metal to make it. And the lacquer, the lacquer work, the patience, the many layers, I relived it, just looking at it. So it hurt both of us that Japan was an enemy. But I have always said, anything that's already happened had to happen. Otherwise, it wouldn't have happened.

1:46:26That's right. It needed to happen because we were so unconscious in that way. And as we get to reflect back on it, we get to see how that wasn't necessary. But it wasn't necessary because we didn't know it wasn't necessary. This is the paradox of time and living through all now, now. Anyway, it's an exciting time to be alive. And the next planet after Uranus, which is all this kind of, all we were talking about, very Uranian conversation, Pluto. And Pluto is really interesting. Pluto is a very odd planet. It has a different elliptic. Everything it does is different. But Pluto, which was discovered when plutonium was discovered.

1:47:14It's interesting how all these planets got these veins that are metaphorically completely accurate. And the last few of them given by astronomers, I mean, I think there was a point they were considering calling Uranus King George or something because her shoulder discovered. Anyway, the consensus in the synthesis always happens because there's synchronicity in the universe. Synchronicity isn't causal exactly. It has a causal quality. But it is part another dimension of how things work. We don't have really a name for that except synchronicity, which is only sort of talking about the effect. There really is more to reality, but if we would relax and allow more love and more communal confrontation of understanding, it would start becoming evident.

1:48:11Pluto is part of this. Right now, the United States is having its plural return. It only happens every 240 years so human can't have it, but our country has it. And what Pluto does when you have Pluto aspects is it makes you face things. It's now the ruler of Scorpio, along with Mars, but now the major ruler of Scorpio. It makes you face things about sex, death, money, and power that are dark that you don't want to see that you have a defense mechanism against that is part of your shadow. It makes the shadow be confronted by circumstances that happen. So what's happening? What is America's shadow?

1:48:56Slavery. Stealing the land from the Indians and demonizing them. Women not having any rights and getting rid of a king, authoritarian thinking. The four things we are being confronted with anew as we have a Pluto return that which wasn't covered, covered quite amazingly well, even though they couldn't get rid of slavery because people wouldn't allow it. Even though yes, I know Jefferson and Jonathan had slaves, but that was the thing that was there at the time. Now is your time to see forgiveness for what we did wrong? I don't know what I want to say. The incredible joy for the room we are going to make for liberty and justice in this world.

1:49:55We're going to live it. We're not going to play this song and dance of hide and fake and dinner and that we keep doing a nauseam. It's that's going to get so tiresome. It's going to be the easiest thing in the world to just do what's fair, to do what's earnest and to respect the liberty of other people. It's as you are to do. It won't be hard. And people who hold grudges on any side of the equation will have to see that you can't have a grudge. It won't work. Claim your power. One of the things I love when I was young, I didn't learn too many black people in my school. I only knew them in the band.

1:50:42The black is beautiful. I love that so much. I thought that was one of the best memes or buttons because I could all I could ever see was the beauty in black people. It was counteracted by the craziness of the culture. They were wrong. So all I could see was the beauty. One of my first boyfriends then at that time was Rayford Johnson, who's an Olympic decathlon winner. And we also met in a very psychic way. There's no accidents really. There's energetic opportunities. You cannot avail yourself of. But you're usually pretty compelled to at least try it a little bit because it's very compelling.

1:51:30Universe is laying it at your feet or in front of your nose. So you kind of do at least have to sort of see it somewhat. That's why we don't have to worry. You don't have to worry about what you missed. You just don't be afraid you didn't get what you wanted. Don't be upset if the plane's late. It just doesn't matter. Even if it matters, it doesn't matter. I don't know quite how to say that. Pay attention. It's wonderful. It's easy too. And it's creative. Because if you decide to change the channel, I think it was William James, who said the great discovery of his generation. Of course it wasn't his generation.

1:52:12It happened many times before. But Gandhi had it. And many people had it before. But in his generation it was a big in psychology, American psychology. It was a big revelation. It was that we are in charge of our attitudes. We can create our own attitudes. We do not have to stay stuck in certain attitudes. We can create them. And when you have that desire for truthfulness and kindness, when you have the desire of love and freedom and goodwill, it's amazing. It's like a synergy that's going to pop out all over. That's why I'm not worried. This is my message that I can feel experientially. Because I'm so sensitive.

1:53:01I mean, the first time I saw the video film on TV of the concentration camps, I was about 18 or 19. I threw up and I don't throw up easily. I just couldn't stand it. I just couldn't believe it. I mean, I knew sort of about it. But every face I saw, I saw the whole thing. And all that was behind it. And what made it happen. It was all too much to bear. I don't quite feel that way now because I feel that we're all here to do our thing. We're all part of the whole dance. Let's not keep making people die just to revelations. Let's make it easier. Let's make it easier.