AI Overlords Are Engineering a Broke Society ft. Ed Zitron | The 1600 11583961 https://youtu.be/RKwK7qrBz8g

25:17He went down a weird road. Yeah, that little trip just cost you another tenner. Why? Because that's what it costs, baby. I don't think people realize how different Claude Code would feel. And this is even before we get to efficacy, if they had to pay for every mistake. Right now, they do not. And people will argue, well, Anthropical, they'll just jack up the prices, right? Five, ten. You think any of these people are going to actually, do you think that people are going to go from paying$200 a month to$2 ,000 a month and be like, I love this, This is good. I'm going to do exactly the same thing.

25:49And you've got the situation where people are getting used to their workflows using the subscription. They're not ready to pay API costs. Now, the tempting thing to say there is, ah, it's the drug dealer model. It's the drug dealer model. Yeah, but you're not going to have coders selling the strip of the copper from the walls and, like, stealing from their grandmother to pay for clawed code. They're just not going to use it. Or they'll use whatever the next subsidized model is. The moment the subsidy stops with one, they move over to another. Then they move over to another. All of them have multiple accounts and multiple things, so they can run their limits hard.

26:21OpenAI Codex is doing the exact same thing. I just don't know exactly how bad Shellac's working on it. It's just an illusion. But isn't the idea that if you're going to use something like Cloud Code to automate all of these different parts of your life, then you're in their ecosystem, so you will pay? Am I, though? because seriously, what actually differentiates Anthropix models from any of the others, people really can't tell you. Now, people like clawed models for coding, but they also kind of like codecs for coding. And there's also Moonshawk, there's Kimi K2, I think it is, if you're not remembering the Chinese models.

27:00People like all sorts of crap. Clawed code as an interface can be run with different models if you use the API. The API, by the way, is just how you pay for the tokens directly. Okay. So like if you're a company, sorry, I really should have led with this. If you're a software company and you add an AI feature, you would pay Anthropic or OpenAI per million tokens. And I think Claude Sonnet 4.6 is$3 per million input, so stuff you feed into it. $15 per million output, so stuff it spits out. So with code, you're burning a lot of tokens. And those little mistakes, very expensive little mistakes. also anthropic doesn't chart they don't count there's also cache reads which is when you know how RAM works no so it's actually pretty simple so if there is a file your system needs to use regularly instead of reading it off the hard drive every time every time it has random access memory so it just puts it in there so we can quickly reference it so the cache is kind of like that it's kind of a dilutive thing someone in the comments is gonna say I it's not perfect you do an interview but it's just what is the claud ecosystem what is it what like claude co-work it does claude co-work they said it was written 100 in claude code yeah it shows it deleted a guy a guy's wife's photos all of them because he tried to clean up her desktop like it's like yeah it sucks and it doesn't really and that was one of the examples from the website yeah i would believe that that was written 100 in claude code and that it appears to be crap and no one can really tell me what it does.

28:30I mean, so I, and again, I'm not a hardcore user of these models. I find Claude to be the better one. Right. You know, I fed a bunch of blood results into it the other day, and it was, you know, it saved me from having to go to the doctor to get those results, although the results are probably that, you know, completely wrong. I've got to say, mate, if I got a blood test, I'd probably want a doctor to read it. Sure. Just in case. Yeah, I think you're probably right. But it was notable that I was able to put it in. It spit out to me in English what the results were showing me. And again, maybe it's wrong and I probably should have a doctor look at it.

29:06But here's another example. I have a friend who told me that he, and again, I wouldn't do this personally, but he fed all of his, like the last year of his bank statements in there. And he asked it to create a program that tells him where he's doing recurring money that he's not using, right? subscriptions that he's paying for that he forgot about. And he said that it was able to flag a few things, some streaming subscription he forgot about. I'm not saying this is world-changing stuff, right? But it at least strikes me as having some sort of value prop that is more than just it being the plagiarism and slot machine that it has been.

29:48What is the value prop, though? He was able to do rocket money. i'm pretty sure like there's i get there's other ways to get like 18 ads for the subscription thing a day or instagram i don't know i'm just kind of like and also anthropic just raised 30 billion dollars you're gonna like it that's the thing it's like what is the thing i'm looking at here what is the thing you are doing what is the thing you are changing because spotify for example spotify said uh in december i think it was the their best coders so very vague bucket basically don't write code anymore. So I spoke to someone at Spotify, actually went and found out.

30:23Fun fact, from what I understand, they pay for Claude Code subscriptions. So already their cost of doing business is completely subsidized. The way I worked it out is they've got 2 ,700 engineers. If they spend half of the limit of the$200 a month subscription, it would be about$40 million a year in API calls. So that's like 10 % more than that. I think they spend like 400 something million dollars on salaries a year for those engineers. It's like you're just increasing your employment costs by 10%. But then there's the other thing, which is, okay, I don't know if this is true. I actually don't believe it.

30:59I think there are some people who are doing it, maybe, but I don't know how many of them. Let's say 100 % of code is written. They're writing it in AI. So what? Are you shipping more software? Is the software better? Are you rapidly iterating? How is this changing your team? What is it doing? And I don't mean this in a dismissive way. I mean, if the situation is that instead of writing all the code, again, don't know if this is happening, just saying, instead of writing all the code, a machine's writing it, and the output is basically the same, if the productivity is basically the same, haven't we just changed the modality a bit?

31:38Haven't we just moved one thing here and there? And they'll say, well, it solved 11 bugs. were all of those like huge bugs as one of them just like a best standards thing yeah it's just if 100 of code was written by claude for example in this scenario what is the actual reason we should be impressed that it can do it which is i guess cool but like like okay that it can do it how good is that code how do they know it's good because if you're writing all your code with with claude aren't you eventually going to stop learning how to write code and solve problems with code because... But isn't that sort of the point?

32:16Isn't the idea here that there are... And who knows how true this is, but the idea is there are all these people out there who have great business ideas or app ideas or whatever, and they haven't been able to... They don't know code, so they haven't been able to actually build these products. If the coding can be done, and you can just say into the model, build me this app with these parameters and then run tests and iterate it, But isn't that going to open up some new level of innovation amongst the plebs out there? So I think, well, one, it isn't happening. Right. Like we have, where is the Vibe Coded company that's so amazing?

32:54Where is the Vibe Coded feature? Vibe Coding is a scam. Right. Vibe Coding is just what we're talking about. Just the idea that you can just build software without code. But there's two things. So with the Vibe Coding thing. So I think every single article I've read about a non-coder, which I know I am, building software with cloud code and being amazed is just it's key jingling I'm sorry it's not that impressive when they build a website you'll notice that a lot of these websites are purple it's really weird it's the constant use of purple that's because a lot of these models are trained on openly available open-source software and on website templates like tailwind CSS tailwind CSS I think in the mid 2010s they had a lot of purple you had a lot of startups at the time they use that purple stripe for example when you look it's always the same kind of boxy thing it would be like animation behind big text little text little text box box box box box box this is the coding version of what it what these LLMs are doing with text exactly they're spitting out these these cliches and you know it's not this it's this you have that's how you can tell exactly and it's you can kind of see it with vibe coding software all of the web apps look the same all of the mobile apps look the same and also software engineering is much more than just code to get something functional stable that works in every region that is operable when you change things that can be changed in the future to grow because you're going to be any software company is constantly maintaining and changing bits what happens in five years do you remember what you told the model because you didn't build this with any intention.

34:27And then there's the other thing of this whole software being like the companies will be able to vibe code their own Salesforce or SAP. SAP is a great choice. So I set SAP down like 10 % I think last month. I forgive you. Remind me what SAP does. I know there's one of the... No, no, I'm going to because basically no one knows because they're so monolithic. Nevertheless, SAP down about 10 % I think in the last month. So SAP is enterprise resource planning. It is software for everything it is hr procurement it is accountancy it is compliance which is a big one if you're a giant company or if you're in anything like trans anything related to transit or shipping or anything like that i've used these sb and it's i mean they're horrible they suck they suck absolute donkey it's so bad however those systems are not just code they are interlinking pieces of information that are and they are massive databases there is actual server hardware they need to run on and that server hardware needs to be specific to the database different coding languages have different requirements of memory and require different things when you set them up depending on when you build a software you may have to update it if a currency changes does your vibe coded software know that the french stopped using the frank do they know that that's different to the swiss frank that does exist today these may and those are the things that ai gets wrong all the time.

35:50Or maybe it gets one of them wrong. Maybe it gets something wrong. But even then, you have to, when you build something that's SOC 2 compliance, an accountancy thing, you have to call in an accountancy team to verify it. You can't do that on your own. And then when you've done all of this, great. I hope that you have a law firm because you're going to need a law firm for this ERP system, especially if you have your customers touch it. And woe betide you if you have your customers' money touch it, because then you've got a whole nother legal thing. And man, if you have one there one little up there um who do you sue yourself so i assume you're gonna buy just an entire new engineering team to run your internal sap to your internal salesforce your internal i don't know net suite uh your internal microsoft 365 your slack your canva canva i guess wouldn't be a great example of a big sas company pardon me but adobe adobe well even then yep no one's no one's building their own Photoshop they've I mean there are there's the open source one Gimp that's a real one I'm serious but this is the thing people seem to think you just go okay cloud code build me Salesforce you hit enter and Salesforce just erupts onto something because that thing's gonna have to run on on like a cloud service and that's gonna have to connect to all your other systems you think there's all of this plumbing this takes years and years and skills to build and that's before you get to the fact that not everything's written in the same code and even those things that are.

37:14And now there are software engineers who barely understand some code. I'm not saying all of them. They may love this. But the truth is that there are practical concerns that LLMs cannot fix. LLMs can write some code. They are able to write functional code even sometimes. The problem is it doesn't always work. It isn't always perfect. So your vibe coding thing is just a mess. But even then, let's say you have a team of software engineers who really know their code. They're sharp. They're using LLMs. That team's skill is going to atrophy. And this isn't an insult to them. But think of it. If you are used to doing a manual action and you have a machine start doing it, the muscle's going to break down.

37:56You're not going to learn it. And the thing is, LLMs also, they need to be constantly updated on the model provider's end so they don't experience model drift, which is when it's not even anything wrong with the model necessarily. it happens with all machine learning it's the world changes so they need to change so coding standards might change or it may just be the things you feed into it are new problems it's never seen the everything the coding models and sas itself is this massive infrastructural plumbing effort that is not just code it's and it's very frustrating because you read all over the business press saying this thing about there's anxiety is over ai replacing things because anthropic launched a plug-in.

38:37Charles Schwab got dumped because of an accountancy tool. It's just... IBM had its worst day in 20 years because of that... Cobol. So Cobol runs on mainframes. You familiar with mainframes? There are specialist computers that basically never go down. They run on Cobol. IBM sells them. Cobol also is not just a programming language. Because it does so many different things, it has different compilers and plugins that work with different things. I sure hope Anthropic, no wait, they didn't train on anything. It was a single blog post because Anthropic's biggest business model is lying. They did, this is a somewhat subject change, but it's relevant.

39:16They put out a thing sometime last year where they said it coded for 30 hours without losing focus and it built a Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Teams or Slack competitor. Now you may think, can I see it? No, you can't. Can I see the code? No, you can't. What did it do for 30 hours? We're not going to tell you. If only we had a tech or business media to ask these questions. One or two of them limply put, yeah, and they didn't show us it. These people are just saying. Also, 30 hours. Man, how many tokens do you burn? No, we don't need to tell you that. Truth is that if the AI companies actually cared about telling people the truth, they would go out of their way to correct these things.

39:56They would push to make, OpenAI and Anthropic would both push to make it less frothy because they would want to sell the product they actually have. But they sell on deceit. They sell on hype. And Anthropic, for all of this importance, only made$4.5 billion last year, and they lost$5.2 billion. Dog shit company. Terrible economics. Okay, so let's keep talking about Anthropic. So there's a big story in the news right now related to Anthropic's contract with the Pentagon, our boy, Pete Hegseth, our secretary of war. So they have a contract to use Claude with the military to basically embed Claude into the military.

40:33It's the only LLM that they say can actually do this, can actually work with classified material. Do what, though? They never say that. That's the thing. They never say that. Well, so here's the thing, right? So essentially the story here is that Hegseth has given Anthropic, which is a customer of the Pentagon, a deadline of Friday. So today, if you're watching this. So the Pentagon's a customer of Anthropic. Correct. Right. Right. So they've given them a Friday deadline to open their model, to open Claude for unrestricted military use, or else the Pentagon says they're going to kill the contract, or worse.

41:06They're going to mark them a supply chain risk. A supply chain risk, which that would be a big deal. I mean, that's effectively nationalizing one of our frontier AI labs. I think it basically says that no military-adjacent contractor would be able to use them. I'd need to look into it. I've heard from military experts who say it's not a big deal, and some who say it's the worst thing in the world. So Anthropic is basically saying, we're not going to let the U.S. government, the Defense Department, get into the source code and use it for specific things like the automated killing of people or mass surveillance of Americans.

41:43So I've got to be honest. First of all, it's not even the source code. They're just changing the system prompt. It's just the thing that it loads in with. And also, what do you mean, Anthropic? Your LLMs don't do autonomous robotics. They can't. That's not how autonomous robotics works. Right. Also, no one seems to have really cracked that within Silicon Valley. Andrew loses money, doesn't it? And they had to discontinue use in Ukraine because it wasn't particularly useful. Putting all that aside. I think the funniest part about this is Anthropic. Anthropic is doing this for marketing. I don't think.

42:14So that was going to be my question. Because Anthropic. Sorry. No, no. They market themselves as the moral AI company, right? So it's in their interest to get these headlines, I think, that they're standing up to the Trump administration saying that you're not going to use our technology to surveil Americans. But you're saying that's BS. I mean, what do you mean surveil? What do you mean autonomous robots? And the answer is Anthropics LLMs do basically the same thing as everyone else. They use a lot of the same training data now that they have post-training, which is when you correct the outputs and you feed more specialist data into it.

42:51they don't have a special thing like grok is going to work with them i i assume say generate something illegal but it's just like what is the difference between anthropics lm and grok and gpt well presumably hexath would be giving them a deadline if he didn't if he didn't think that they needed that technology they're no offense to the secretary of war or whatever he is I don't think Pete Hesgeth is an LLM expert or indeed user. I would be shocked. It would be really funny if he was just like a hot, he like subscribes to semi-analysis. He's like reading a den nicely, like bringing about Taiwanese ODMs.

43:32Yeah, I don't think so. Oh my God, I can't believe Williams. Anyway, that's a bit for later. No, I just think it's, they're just trying to make all of them do it. They're just like, we want to be able to use you for whatever. And Wario Amadeus is just like, yeah, well, you couldn't possibly use it for war. Mass surveillance. Okay, what does that mean, though? Because if the answer is feed a bunch of data in and look at it, you can do that already. That's Palantir's whole business model, isn't it? That's, I mean, Palantir is just evil. They're evil. They're evil Accenture. Right. They have four deployment engineers that go in and customize the service.

44:06It's like the natural outgrowth of the 1980s, the Inslaw Promise software. And you know who ran that? Robert Maxwell. No, we're not getting into Webster and stuff. It all comes back to Epstein. No, this is weirdly separated from Epstein. This AI bubble stuff. But other than like Eliezer Yudkowsky, who was in the emails, we've got to stop. But back to Hezgeth. Here's the thing. All these LLMs basically do the same thing. Now, they have different features. They have different strengths. But I don't know. Google's worked with CBP before. Do you hear anything about Gemini? I'm sure they'll just use Gemini.

44:39But also, what are they doing with it? What are they doing with it? What's the thing they're doing? Oh, control robots. Screw you. That's not real. You're not controlling robots with this thing. You generate and kill this. They do that already. Oh, well, Anthropic will be better at it. How? No. They're just, honest to God, I think they're just f***ing with them. I think that they're just... No, I think that Hezgett. Hezgett, yeah. I think he just doesn't like him. Yeah. I mean, if you've heard Dario Amadeus. And I did the haters go to Anthropic last week. I can't stand any of these guys. No, but Dario is the most annoying of them.

45:12You think he's more sanctimonious than Altman? A hundred times. He sounds like Elizabeth Holmes' voice that she did in front of investors. He sounds like it's really weird. When you hear it, you can't unhear it. No, I think Anthropiki is milking this opportunity to make themselves seem special and different. I think that they know that there's no real value. If they did it, it wouldn't cause any more damage than that's already being done. I don't know. By the way, I also agree that you shouldn't use these things for these things, obviously. I don't think that's a good idea. I also don't think Dario Amadei cares.

45:44He said he wouldn't take money from the South. What did he do? $30 billion round, 37 different companies. Very strange. They changed all their AI safety pillars. They don't give a s***. None of them give a s***. AI safety is being used as a marketing thing. That's for sure. Notice that AI safety never talks about the economic problems, the bubble, the stealing, the ecological damage. It always talks about this theoretical future AI. that's gonna, I don't know, make you leave you. Skynet. Skynet or I don't know. None of them have watched like Upgrade. That was more of an, that was a device that movie rocks.

46:19But these people aren't really thinking about anything at all. People are just like, well that confirms my biases or it says the thing that my investors wanna hear so I'm gonna go along with it. It's just very cynical. It's very, it me off when I see someone be like, I wanna keep you safe. And this involves you buying something from me and my friends. It involves me taking, you taking me very seriously and buying my product. Oh, by the way, this product I'm talking about today does not do any of the things I'm scared of. None of them. Right. None of them. But it might in one day. But what if it does that?

46:47Even my favorite anthropic thing is the thing they did. I forget if I brought this up last time. They do this thing when they're like, yeah, it tried to blackmail us. Tried to blackmail us and then take advantage of the system. When you actually read the paper, they prompt it to do that. Right. And it's like, it used an email tool. No, it didn't. It generated an email. Well, you see these sorts of, so here's a headline from just today. we were looking at a minute ago. This is a new scientist. AI can't stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations. Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 % of cases.

47:22Okay, well, that strikes me as bad, but you don't have any idea. Like, what's the, is the prompt, like, do a nuclear strike? We can probably find the prompt, but also it's trained on the internet. It's trained on social media posts. It's trained on whatever crap they can get. it's going to be the summation of human human consideration online so yeah i think most idiots online would be like yeah yeah hell yeah just because the chump and also if let's take this to its logical end point so this is a war game scenario where do you think they got them from the various war game forums do you think the people on there are like i can't possibly can impossibly yet no i swear to god if they it's like there's this one game that i really should remember the name of where it's a very realistic tank simulator like very very realistic and they constantly i think it's is it war i forget it's war something and they constantly have problems where people will post classified information because they'll be in an internet argument someone will be like i think that tank truck they'll be like no based on this document i have and it will be a classified document and it will be something minor but that it's just like it happens all the time might be war fury but anyway that's the kind of the training off of it's like yeah the model the and i wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately let that slide because they've definitely tried because they were like it this will create a headline one day yeah and it's just so much of this is kayfabe it's just everyone freaking out but not really believing anything not really having the proof for the stuff that they're freaked out about but being freaked out about it allows them to claim they're ahead of the game well just seems like nobody really knows anything so that because that it creates these these opportunities for for doom and gloom or for you know these utopian you know elon musk talking about how the you know tesla robots are going to come and save us all from having to go to our lowly jobs and whatever it's what's going to save elon musk from the billions of dollars he's going to have to pay what's vista equity partners for the giant Colossus 2 data center he's built in.

49:30Good luck with that. I genuinely think the Colossus project may actually destroy Elon Musk. That's a good topic for another time. It's so much money. Okay, so before I let you go, this is theoretically a political show, although it seems like a tech show today. That's all right. It seems to me like the biggest problem that these AI companies have, one of their many problems, this stuff has no natural constituency, right? People don't want this. Yeah. I think, right? I mean, I think people are interested in, oh, yeah, maybe using Cloud Code to get my blood results better or whatever. There's some of that.

50:08But I don't know anybody who's like, I see the future and this is going to, other than the people who are actually in the, who stand to make a lot of money. Regular people don't want this s**t. They don't want their jobs to be displaced. So they're obviously very skeptical based on a lot of these people being the same people that sold them a line of bullshit about social media being, you know, going to connect us all. So I think everybody knows that they're being hoodwinked from some of these guys. And, you know, talking about Altman, Mickey, can we bring this up? Oh, I know the one. One of the things that is always unfair in this comparison is people talk about how much energy it takes to train an AI model relative to how much it costs a human to do one inference query.

50:51But it also takes a lot of energy to train a human. It takes like 20 years of life and all of the food you eat during that time before you get smart. So the fair comparison is if you ask ChatGPT a question, how much energy does it take once its model is trained to answer that question versus a human? and probably AI has already caught up on an energy efficiency basis measured that way. God, he's a f***ing guy. I can't stand this guy. What a f***ing f***ing guy. First of all, anybody who talks like human beings that way should be nowhere near this technology at all. He looks like he was generated in an Xbox One game.

51:24He's a very strange looking fellow. He is. But what a moronic thing. But it's just like, yeah, I've consumed a lot of energy in my 41 years of life and it hasn't all gone to economic productivity, right? It's also, I don't know. It's been expended in unquantifiable ways and how I love my family and help my friends. It's just not how energy works. It's just the kind of thing that you say if everyone's told you you're smart your whole life. I think that also people would want this if it did what they said it did, which it doesn't. I think people right now would like everything to stop being bought by private equity.

52:05They would like groceries to be cheaper. They would like health insurance that the government paid for versus them paying a company that then screws them. I think people would like their jobs to be easier. And this doesn't even do that. And also, they'd like to stop reading a headline every day that's like, rich guy excited to make you bankrupt. Because that really is what it is. And also, rich guy who has not worked in a long time. truly does not do work, who has more money than you'll ever collect. If you've got hundreds of people together, they would never touch their wealth. They want those people, well, they probably want some violent actions to happen to them, but in reality, they want those people, for all of this talk, to actually have something at the other end.

52:47And I think that the regular people I talk to, they're just like, yeah, it's kind of like a search engine. Most people have that reaction. Regular people I meet who are vibe-coded are like, they get to a point when they're like, oh, right. there's all this messy infrastructure. Oh, right. My app looks like everything else. And it doesn't, the toy software that they build isn't practical. I think also the data centers are obnoxious. They are obnoxious. They are demanding. And the output isn't interesting. The output isn't really inspiring. The only people that it's inspiring are deeply craven and cynical people who frame themselves as optimists, who claim that they're excited about the future.

53:29Meta is running a commercial right now. I don't know if you've seen it or not, but it's about, I forget, it's like, the thesis of the commercial is this data center is coming in and it's going to like revive the economy. It's like, what are you, nobody works at these things. Lion sack of s**t. What are you talking about? It's just a big, it's a big room with servers in it. But regular people hear that and they go, wow, my groceries are like 20, 30 % more expensive. Wow. My energy costs. My housing, my energy costs have gone up. Oh, well, how much is Meta putting into a Louisiana-based Hyperion data center that they've deliberately used accounting to keep off of their balance sheet?

54:04$30 billion. How much do Anthropic raise? $30 billion. How much is OpenAI raising? $100 billion. We are told the money does not exist for basic social services, yet these f*** nuts can raise$30 to$100 billion just because they f***ing feel like it. And then they put out something to CNBC or the Information or the Wall Street Journal, are we going to spend another$600 billion? Oh, and by the way, the reason we're doing this is so you won't have a job. No wonder people hate these people. Well, they need a better spokesperson, that's for sure. They need a better product. They need to stop burning cash.

54:38They need to build a real business because what they are doing now is guaranteeing that nobody's going to be there for them. And David Sachs has made the point. David Sachs, but he said there's not going to be any bailouts. I think the only company that could get bailed out is Oracle. because they're there well ellison's trump's boy but even then i genuinely think an oracle bailout will not fix up what oracle stock price will be when it can't pay its debts i think the collapse of oracle could change the world for the better but i'm deadly serious that's the only bailout target because these distressed data centers i don't think people understand how top worked it was meant to be 700 something billion they only did a troubled asset relief yeah sorry 2008 a great financial crisis we're not going to get those for data centers or if we do it'll be quite small well there'll also be pitchforks in the streets yeah that's the thing companies that's the thing if they think people hated bankers yeah people hate data center banks at least provide some sort of service also banks invested in the data centers private equity it's like hey we need to bail out the people you love the most tech people private equity people right and banks You love those, right?

55:47It's just like the worst possible. And this is what? I think this could pop this year. I think it's going to be a very, I think there's going to be potentially months, if not years, of data center collapses. So, yeah, going into the midterms, do you think Donald Trump's going to be like, I've got to save the day. I'm going to save a black diddle. They're the most beautiful company we've ever seen. We need to save Corweave. We love Michael and Trader. No, that's not going to happen. You do a great Trump. I've been. It's very, it's really, it's very strong. Weird Dario. Sorry. My boy Dario. You seen him?

56:21You seen Claude? I don't trust Claude. It's a French name. So, okay. So, bottom line, Ed, you remain, this is what I wanted to get out of this conversation. Yeah. You remain as skeptical, if not more skeptical than you were last time. You still believe the bubble will pop. now I say all this but have you seen this video of Trump how he would look as an Asian man I will leave you with that just insane we're just doing racism with it and people are like yeah look look we're doing something kind of racist like an early 90's level of racism and this is the first AI video that I actually stopped and enjoyed you had to feed the equivalent of 13 grams of Alsatian meat into it to generate that and now we're doing 90's level racism.

57:09It's Adam Carolla, LLM. Okay, Ed, tell us before we go, first of all, where people can find your work and if you're working on anything new coming up. So, working on the Hater's Guide to Private Equity. Ooh, that's going to be a good one. It's a banger. It's already a banger. I'm going to start doing more regular pieces at wheresyoured.at and betteroffline.com B-E-T-T-E-R-O-F-F-L-I-N-E dot com. That's the podcast. That's the podcast. And yeah, check me out on one of those various vehicles. and also on Blue Sky. Not Twitter, though. I am. Twitter is just, it's like a PvP video game. It's just, you go in there if you want to fight and I don't really have much fighting in it.

57:47Yeah, it's gotten so bad. Okay, let's leave it there. Ed Zitron, appreciate you, brother. Thanks for having me.